Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME6.0 - CGI - QMAIL Port Change

2004-01-04 Thread Charlie Brady

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, gbl - smedevelopment wrote:

> I'm developing a Extension for QMAIL-SMTP Port Change in SME6.0

I'd suggest that you do that via a minor modification to the existing 
email config panel.

> When I run the following Script - started within the SME Webmanager - I 
> get a permission error in the line with the processTemplate statement.
> 
> But the scripts runs well even I loggen on as root in a console!

That means that your panel script is not setuid root, which means that you 
are not building the file list in your RPM using genfilelist (from 
e-smith-devtools).

> esmith::util::processTemplate (\%conf, 
> "/var/service/smtpfront-qmail/runenv");
> system("/sbin/service smtpfront-qmail restart") == 0
>   or die ("Error occured while reconfiguring QMail.\n");
>  
> exit (0);

Some comments:

- There's no QMail, only qmail.

- You shouldn't be writing another script which expands the template for 
/var/service/smtpfront-qmail/runenv, you should be reusing the one which 
already exists (mailfront-conf-env) via a symlink in your event directory. 
This point becomes moot if you re-use the existing panel and its event 
directory (email-update).

- I wouldn't bother to change the port which smtpfront-qmail listens on.  
I'd just set up a port forward from the alternative port to port 25. That
way your LAN clients can still do SMTP on the standard port, and you won't
need to restart the smtpfront TCP listener. Note that I'm not sure whether
it's possible using the current portforwarding package to portforward to a
port local to the server. If not, then you'll need to change the
portforwarding package to make that possible.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME 6 dbase initialization mechanism

2003-12-30 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> What is the correct way to start a supervised service from within an 
> RPM? 

I doubt there is a single "correct way".

> For example:  I create an rpm that installs a new service and then 
> want to start said service.  Is this done in the %POST script with 
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/, svc -u /var/service/xxx, or something entirely 
> different?

The first question to ask yourself is whether you want the rpm to start 
the service. 

If the rpm will only ever be installed from CDROM, you don't 
want to start the service. 

If the rpm might be installed from CDROM, you won't want to start the
service duing CDROM install, but you might want to at other times. You'll
need to work out how to detect whether the installer is running, or the
system is up and fully running.

If the rpm will be installed by a higher level management system (some 
equivalent of Mitel blades), then service control might be provided by 
that system (so that you can ensure that all rpms are installed and 
configured before you try to start services).

OK, now you want to start the service. If the service directory does not 
contain a 'down' file, there's nothing to do - svscan will find the 
service directory and start the service for you. If the service directory 
does contain a 'down' file (which it would if you wanted to delay startup 
of the service during bootup), then you would wish to start it, which you 
can do with any of:

/etc/rc.d/init.d/
/etc/rc7.d/Snn
svc -u /service/

Of these, only /etc/rc7.d/Snn will check the config database for a
"status == enabled" property for the service. If you care about the db
property, that's what you'll want to do. Whichever way you do it, "svc -u"  
will eventually be called, and is what will actually bring the service up.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME 6 dbase initialization mechanism

2003-12-30 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> Is it possible to initialize a single dbase with this new mechanism? 
> It appears that one must initialize all of them at once, given the 

If you dig down deep enough in the library code you'll find a way to do 
just one db. But why bother? The db initialization process is designed so 
that you can run it over and over again. A default value will only be set 
if it isn't set already, and a force value wins all the time - so 
repeating the process is harmless.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] sme 6.0

2003-12-29 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Justin Zygmont wrote:

> I am trying to install sme server 6 download edition and it doesn;t want 
> to install.  It complains that the kickstart config is missing.  Does 
> anyone know why it is failing?

Please go to http://www.contribs.org/ and ask your question there. This is 
a list to discuss software development, not to provide user support.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Is this alowed?

2003-12-29 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Richard Morrell wrote:

> I am guilty of this - wholesale.

That's an interesting public admission.

> SW Corporate products use GPL components and don't breach the GPL but
> its a fine line. It really is. SmoothWall corporate products take GPL
> code and make it proprietary.

For any code for which SmoothWall holds the copyright, the fact that
versions exist which are GPL is neither here not there. Smoothwall has the
right to use its code as it wishes (whether contributions are "its code"  
is another question altogether). For code which SmoothWall uses under the
GPL, SmoothWall cannot (legally) make it proprietary.

> IF you had to do an audit you'd find breaches now but its also an
> equation. Corporate paying products fund GPL activities and the same for
> any company using GPL code or OSI licenced code.

I don't see the distribution in question funding any GPL activity.
 
> Charlie is exactly right.

:-)

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Is this alowed?

2003-12-29 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, John Cusick wrote:

> Were you about to make a comment, or was this a subtle comment on the
> excessive top-posting and lack of cleaning up previous messages?
> 
> :-)

Sorry, my mistake. I was going to make a comment, but coffee arrived, and 
I hit the wrong button.

Back to the topic:

As to what is allowed and not allowed, I would re-iterate that people 
should read the licenses which they are given, and if in doubt, consult a 
lawyer.

As to the distribution in question, one would need to examine the software 
in more detail to verify compliance with the GPL. 

As you can see here:

http://youresale.com/products/yes_license_agreement.php

they 1) inform their customers that the GPL applies to some included
software components and 2) assert licensing restrictions which are
incompatible with the GPL on the product as a whole.

IANAL, so I won't comment on the legality of their operation (Mitel's
lawters can ponder that question). 

As a free software developer, I can say that their operation does not
comply with the spirit of free software development - they are attempting
to limit distribution of the software to "genuine MaPs (Mom and Pop
Store)", and they are sharing none of their own developments/modifications
with you and me.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Is this alowed?

2003-12-29 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If it is gpl stuff only, in a word: yes.
> 
> 
> On Monday 29 December 2003 10:04 am, Jaap van Hemert wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >  "Your E Sale" (http://youresale.com/) sels/ships four types of YES servers
> > based on e-smith distro without any reference.
> >
> > Is that alowed to put your own brand to it?
> > Jaap
> >
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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] New list subscription remeinder

2003-12-25 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:

> Right now posting to the list is disabled until the cut is complete.

Why? Why not allow posting as soon as people feel happy to? Traffic on the 
new list might encourage people to subscribe.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Error compiline e-smith-boot-image-1.6.3-01

2003-12-20 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Courchesne, Andre wrote:

>   I'm trying to compile e-smith-boot-image-1.6.3-01.src.rpm and it seems to
> be hard coded to a development directory specific to Mitel development
> environment...

You'll need to either build your development image at the same path as us, 
or change the spec file to point to your own image location.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Reply to List option

2003-12-17 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Charlie Brady wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:
> 
> > Just fyi, if you hit reply-all on the posts at lists.contribs.org, you will
> > NOT receive duplicates.  The Mailman software is smart enough to cut out the
> > dupes.
> 
> That's not possible Jeff. Mailman won't even see replies sent directly to 
> the original sender.

I stand corrected. Mailman can parse Cc: and To: headers, and can choose 
not to send messages to those recipients. That means that Mailman doesn't 
guarantee that everyone on its list is sent a copy of the message, but it 
does eliminate dups.

Sorry for misleading you :-)

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Reply to List option (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: irc channel #contribs.org on freenode.net)

2003-12-17 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:

> Just fyi, if you hit reply-all on the posts at lists.contribs.org, you will
> NOT receive duplicates.  The Mailman software is smart enough to cut out the
> dupes.

That's not possible Jeff. Mailman won't even see replies sent directly to 
the original sender.

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[e-smith-devinfo] reply-to-all (was Re: irc channel #contribs.org on freenode.net)

2003-12-17 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Courchesne, Andre wrote:

> What I find anoying is that I must either do a reply-to and change the to
> address or do a reply-to-all and delete the personal adress...

You could just do reply-to-all and allow the recipient to delete 
duplicates.

> Also I beleive there must be a lot of reply lost because people only do
> reply and the information only goes to the sender and not the list...

That's a matter of education. It's not a bad idea for every email sender 
to be aware of who they are sending messages to.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Source packages

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tuesday 16 December 2003 07:37 pm, Charlie Brady wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 16 December 2003 11:11 am, Gordon Rowell wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:30:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > It has been a long wait for some packages, and it is nice to see.
> > > >
> > > > Please provide specifics - you presumably have packages in mind with
> > > > such a statement - what are they?
> > >
> > > Is this is truely important, now that it appears that you have complied
> > > with releasing everything ?
> >
> > For the most part, there is nothing to "comply" with, Bob. Mitel is the
> > copyright holder to the e-smith-* packages in the SME server. The GPL does
> > not apply to Mitel for these packages, and Mitel is under no obligation to
> > release the source. When it does so, it is a gift, to you and the
> > community. The GPL attached to these packages is the license that Mitel
> > gives you.
> 
> Once again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I say thank you for 
> supplying the source code.
>
> As to packages that were not forthcoming in the past, and ONLY because you 
> guys can't seem  to leave my thank you lie still, ...

It was you that raised the issue, Bob.

> here's a partial list of the items that were , as of quite recently, not
> forthcoming with source;
> 
> ServiceLink 6.0 - based on Mitel SME Server (GPL)

As I carefully explained to you previously, the fact that Mitel releases 
its SME Server code to you under the GPL does not create any obligation 
for it to release its own ServiceLink code to you. Where Mitel has used 
software which is licensed to it by others, Mitel will comply with the 
appropriate licenses, as has been stated previously.

> Blades:
> -- Fax Server Blade - based on mgetty+sendfax (GPL)

The mgetty and mgetty+sendfax RPMs are from RedHat. Source RPMs are
available to you on request, or you can fetch them from your local RedHat
mirror. The Blade itself is Mitel proprietary.

> -- Free/Busy Scheduling Blade - based on Mitel SME Server (GPL)

As mentioned previously, the "based on Mitel SME Server" is irrelevant. 
The Free/Busy Scheduling Blade is Mitel proprietary software, and source 
code will not be made available.

> -- Groupware Blade - based on Twig (GPL)

The Groupware Blade is not based on Twig, but includes Twig as one of its 
components. Twig source code is available on request, or you can obtain a 
slightly newer version from http://www.informationgateway.org/, or 
in RPM format from http://rpmfind.net/. The other components of the 
Groupware blade are Mitel proprietary.

> -- Instant Messaging Blade - based on Jabber (GPL)

The Instant Messaging Blade is not based on Jabber, but includes Jabber as 
one of its components. Jabber source code is available on request, or can 
be obtained from http://www.jabber.org/, or in RPM 
format from http://rpmfind.net/. The other components of the Instant 
Messaging Blade are Mitel proprietary.

> -- Web Access Control Blade - based on Squidguard (GPL)

The Web Access Control Blade is not based on Squidguard, but includes 
Squidguard as one of its components. Squidguard source code is available 
on request, or you can obtain a newer version from 
http://www.squidguard.org/, or in RPM format from http://rpmfind.net/. The 
other components of the Web Access Control Blade are Mitel proprietary.

> And, as I said in the previous message, there were reasons given in the past 
> as to why they were not forthcoming, but I am glad that Mitel is now 
> releasing this source as it should do with it being in GPL.

Bob, I'd strongly suggest that you carefully read the GPL and the FSF
commentary on the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html), so that
you can better understand what the license means to us all.

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[e-smith-devinfo] yum (Re: OpenH323 and SME)

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Rich Lafferty wrote:

> I manage all my home Fedora boxes with yum, and before that used yup
> heavily with Yellow Dog Linux. It *is* a good packaging solution; I'd
> go so far as to say that the real benefit would be if it was used for
> both updates and for RPM-based contribs (in separate repositories).

One thing that yum won't handle gracefully (and perhaps no packaging 
system will) is the situation where there are multiple contrib 
repositories which have overlapping and conflicting dependencies.

Another thing that yum won't do for you (as I've said before) is to
determine what actions are required after all packages are updated to the
newest version. Until some other system is devised, it will still be
necessary to do "signal-event post-upgrade ; signal-event reboot" to be
sure that all systems are reconfigured and restarted. Of course, there's
always a less drastic course of action, but it will change from instance
to instance depending on what updated packages have been installed.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] yum repository

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Charlie Brady wrote:

> Indeed. FTR, I use yum version 1.0.3-1_73 (from dulug, IIRC), and my 
> /etc/yum.conf contains:

Well, it does, but that config doesn't work yet.

You'll need to comment out this section for the next little while, as the 
above version of yum doesn't graciously handle an empty and uninitialised 
repository. There aren't any 6.0 updates, so you won't be missing 
anything.

> [4mitel-updates]
> name=Mitel SME updates
> baseurl=http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/e-smith/contrib/CharlieBrady/yum-repository/6.0/updates/



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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> getting done.  Please be assured that 95% of what's being discussed 
> off-list at this time is organizational in nature (e.g., how are we 
> going to move the lists, what bug tracking are we going to use, what's 
> our next move, how are we going to organize the troops, do we use 
> sourceforge or don't we, etc, etc.)

That's all as may be, Greg, but do remember that I started this thread by 
quoting Hsing-Foo:

> contribs.org is looking in to the most suiteable update mechachinsm.

The most suitable update mechanism for end-users is not an organisational 
issue at all, and I can't understand why "contribs.org" would be looking 
into it.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Source packages

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tuesday 16 December 2003 11:11 am, Gordon Rowell wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:30:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > It has been a long wait for some packages, and it is nice to see.
> >
> > Please provide specifics - you presumably have packages in mind with
> > such a statement - what are they?
> 
> Is this is truely important, now that it appears that you have complied with 
> releasing everything ?

For the most part, there is nothing to "comply" with, Bob. Mitel is the
copyright holder to the e-smith-* packages in the SME server. The GPL does
not apply to Mitel for these packages, and Mitel is under no obligation to
release the source. When it does so, it is a gift, to you and the
community. The GPL attached to these packages is the license that Mitel
gives you.

> If so then I can supply some details.

You made the accusation/insinuation, so you should clarify exactly what 
you have had a long wait for. It seems that you feel you have been badly 
treated by me/us/Mitel. Perhaps you can explain why you feel that.

> However I am, as I stated above, thrilled that you guys are doing all that you 
> can to make sure all the source is around to use in the future.

I'm curious, Bob, as to why you are so interested in the source
availability. Are you planning to make some modifications? Do you have any
source code to share with us?

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[e-smith-devinfo] Licenses (was RE: irc channel #contribs.org on freenode.net)

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:

> Sorry Charlie,
> 
> No offense intended.

No offense taken. I just wanted to set the record straight.

I agree that there was fragmentation of relevant information but that's 
because people chose not to take up our offer. We were not in a position 
to mirror outside information (e.g. Darrell's numerous contribs) without 
clear permission for us to do so.

Folks, if you write a HOWTO or some contrib software, make sure that you 
are clear about the license under which you publish it. Without a license, 
nobody has permission to distribute your work.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: irc channel #contribs.org on freenode.net

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:

> Thank you.  We agree.  The entire reason contribs.org exists is because
> there was no centralized resource.

Water under the bridge now, but there was a centralised resource - 
e-smith.org, which was (is) mirrored around the world.

An open invitation to host content there was extended numerous times.

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[e-smith-devinfo] Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:

> contribs.org is looking in to the most suiteable update mechachinsm.

Shouldn't that be a public discussion?

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[e-smith-devinfo] yum repository (was Re: CVS dump of current SME source and compiling environment)

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:

> Craig Jensen wrote:
> > I don't know of a cvs, but I just yesterday found this:
> > 
> > http://download.au.kde.org/pub/e-smith/contrib/CharlieBrady/yum-reposito
> > ry/6.0/
>
> Tha's a personal repository set up by Charlie himself.

Indeed. FTR, I use yum version 1.0.3-1_73 (from dulug, IIRC), and my 
/etc/yum.conf contains:

[main]
cachedir=/var/cache/yum
debuglevel=2
logfile=/var/log/yum.log
pkgpolicy=last
 
[4mitel-updates]
name=Mitel SME updates
baseurl=http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/e-smith/contrib/CharlieBrady/yum-repository/6.0/updates/
 
[3mitel]
name=Mitel SME base
baseurl=http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/e-smith/contrib/CharlieBrady/yum-repository/6.0/base/
 
[2updates]
name=Red Hat Linux 7.3 updates
baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/7.3/
 
[1base]
name=Red Hat Linux 7.3 base
baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/7.3/i386/

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] ...and now for a current dev question...

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Craig Jensen wrote:

> In regards to re-building anaconda (-7.3-7es115), I am looking for the
> required newt-devel which will not conflict with the existing newt
> package on a stock sme 6.  Could someone point me to the newt-devel
> package build which would work here?

Building the newt SRPM will give you both the newt and newt-devel binary 
RPMs.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] OpenH323 and SME

2003-12-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Dick Morrell wrote:

> I'd love to have OpenH323 as a core package on GPL releases of SME. It's 
> not that hard to do but it can be unreliable sometimes. Has anyone else 
> ever played with this before ?

Brad Hards has:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08681.html

[Don't forget that Google is your friend. (openh323+e-smith+contrib)]

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Problem with creating a panel

2003-12-15 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Thor Anthrax wrote:

> I was trying to store a value from a web panel
> 

After you do this:

> my $conf = esmith::ConfigDB->open();

you don't need to do this:

> tie my %conf, 'esmith::config', $conf->file;

The esmith::ConfigDB module obsoletes the "tie" interface of 
esmith::config.

> my $req = $conf->get('privoxy');
> $rec->set_prop('status', 'enabled');
> 
> When I uncomment the last line I get no error, otherwise I do. What am I
> doing wrong here?

"req" and "rec" are not the same.

Are you not using "use strict;" in your script? The perl compiler usually
picks up errors like this.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] CVS dump of current SME source and compiling environment

2003-12-15 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Courchesne, Andre wrote:

>   Is there a way to get or have access to a CVS repository dump (either
> export or even a tar of the repository itself) of the current SME release
> (6.0)?

All source code and change comments are included in the source RPMs, found 
at .../releases/6.0/SRPMS/ at your local mirror.

>   Also how are mitel engineer setup to compile the SME sources?

RH7.3.  Development is done non-root, with RPM user repositories 
configured as documented here:

http://www.e-smith.org/docs/howto/e-smith-interface_rpm.php3

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] What version of RH is SME 6 based on?

2003-12-15 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> > I'm not sure where you got that impression. It is indeed based on RH
> > 7.3. 
> 
> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/rpmsrc.html
> 
> I don't see kernel 2.4.20-18.7 in the list of RH 8 kernel's, but it is 
> in the list of RH 7.3 kernels.

No, Michael was wondering where you got the impression that SME 6 is based
on RH 8.

If you look at the release notes for 6.0, Greg, you'll see that RH7.3 
updates have been used wherever possible (and appropriate). So SME 6.0 is 
indeed based on RH 7.3.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] FormMagick Panels

2003-12-13 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Charlie Brady wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:
> 
...
> > I'll work something up.
> > 
> > I've played around some with creating server-manager panels based 
> > entirely on HTML::Template and had mixed feelings about it.
> 
> That sounds like a large chunk to bite off.

If you are game to try again, have a look at CGI::FormBuilder as a 
starting point. I don't see an I18n there, but it does have a high level 
view of forms, and automates field validations. [I've only scanned the 
doco, I've never used it].

> > For the most part, no one outside of Mitel understands FM.
> 
> I don't know that anyone outside you has really tried.

We're both wrong. Some folk over at http://free-eos.org/ have built a
series of FM based panels for their add-ons. (AFAICT, Free-EOS is a fork
of SME 5.5, with base language changed to French, some rebranding, and a
number of add-ons integrated).

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Missing SME 6.0 SRPMS (links)

2003-12-12 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Filippo Carletti wrote:

> The pub/linux/distributions/e-smith/releases/6.0/SRPMS directory on all
> mirrors contains link to non existent files. See:
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 1001  1001  102 Dec 11 20:40 zlib-1.1.4-8.7x.src.rpm ->
> /home/e-smith/files/ibays/library/files/distros/redhat/updates/7.3/en/os/SRP
> MS/zlib-1.1.4-8.7x.src.rpm

As has been said many, many times, there's no point in posting stuff like 
this to the list. Post it directly to those who can do something about it.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Not enough Indians (Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Boss)

2003-12-11 Thread Charlie Brady

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> > I disagree completely. Free software projects don't work that way. 
> 
> On the contrary Charlie.  Show me a major GPL project that doesn't have some 
> type of leadership in place.

My point was, and is, that such leadership comes from *doing*, not from 
being annointed "the boss". And leadership, while eventually being 
necessary, is not sufficient.

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[e-smith-devinfo] Not enough Indians (Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Boss)

2003-12-11 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Peter Lambert wrote:

> I also think we need to get a chain of command in place.  Some hard
> decisions are always needed.
> 
> A lot of the names on the "volunteers" list are very familiar to anyone whos
> been on devinfo list.  I'm sure most of us could point the finger at people
> who we'd respect enough to work for (as in take instruction, err guidance,
> from).

I disagree completely. Free software projects don't work that way. 

It's said that managing software developers is like herding cats; surely
it's more so when the developers are volunteer and unpaid. Free software
developers essentially work for themselves, and have to be self motivated.
There aren't 437 device drivers in the 2.6 linux kernel because Linus
directed a bunch of people to write them - they're there because a whole
bunch of people had hardware that they wanted to get working.

Co-ordination is definitely useful, but only if there is something to 
co-ordinate. There's lots of people out there with ideas, but they all 
count for nothing unless someone makes the ideas concrete.

If you want to contribute, don't wait for "a boss" to tell you to do so. 
Find something that you'd like to see happen and make it happen, or at 
least start it happening. Work on the FAQ, for instance. Or document 
something. Have a poke around and understand how something works, and 
write down what you learn. Chances are that'll be useful to someone.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] FormMagick Panels

2003-12-11 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> > Beyond that, much of FormMagick could be reworked. 
> 
> That's not good news...

Much of linux "could be reworked", but that's not necessarily good or bad 
news.

> > Historically, we've used the CGI module's methods to output tables. I
> > see nothing wrong with your suggested approach, but I'm unclear as to
> > how it would integrate with a FormMagick page description. Perhaps an
> > example is in order. 
> 
> I'll work something up.
> 
> I've played around some with creating server-manager panels based 
> entirely on HTML::Template and had mixed feelings about it.

That sounds like a large chunk to bite off.

> The primary hurdle that I found myself running into was the extensive
> use of style sheets in FM panels.

Style sheets are a Good Thing. You don't want to throw that away (IMO).

> In a nutshell, I'm trying to come up with a panel approach that can be 
> successfully deployed by the community. 

Perhaps it's still too early to abandon the idea that FM can do that. Some 
tutorial documentation would help, I'm sure.

> For the most part, no one outside of Mitel understands FM.

I don't know that anyone outside you has really tried.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] HowTo rsync smeserver-6.0unsupported.iso

2003-12-11 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Darrell May wrote:

> You may find this easier :-)

And maybe this easier still! 
 
> Download this file:
> 
> http://contribs.org/contribs/dmay/mitel/updates/synciso.sh
> 
> 1) copy to /root
> 2) review and edit if needed
> 3) execute
> 
> # sh synciso.sh

1) Run:

lynx -dump http://contribs.org/contribs/dmay/mitel/updates/synciso.sh

and view the script to see if it looks OK

2) then run:

lynx -dump http://contribs.org/contribs/dmay/mitel/updates/synciso.sh | /bin/sh

Note that you're being trusting, because the script might change between
steps 1 and 2 and contribs.org could take over your machine :-)

Good security practice suggests you would run this as non-root.

[Windoze users however, always run as root (equiv) and go straight to step
2 all the time.]

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] A quick survey

2003-12-09 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, dalen wrote:

> Bearne, Paul wrote:
> > What/where do you use your server for?
[...]

Replies just to Paul, please. He can summarize (if there are useful 
results).

Paul, did you check the previous surveys on www.e-smith.org? There may be 
similar data already collected.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Kolab and LDAP (was Re: Suggestion for SME...)

2003-12-09 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Donovan Arellano wrote:

> I have often wondered why SME didn't do this and have had quite a bit of
> experiance doing this on my own using sme as a base.

First step then would be for you to publish what you have done.

> I would love to work with folks on this if this is a direction that is
> being decided on.

I'd recommend you do it whether there is consensus or not. As Linus says, 
"Release Early. Release often".

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Kolab and LDAP (was Re: Suggestion for SME...)

2003-12-09 Thread Charlie Brady

[Brandon, please remember to trim posts when you reply.]

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Brandon Friedman wrote:

> Stephan is one of the guys that helped us setup our infrastructure. If
> you are (or anybody else) is interested in more info the CPAN module.
> Contact me off list.

The right place for doco on CPAN modules is in the POD. "blah, blah, blah" 
isn't very helpful.

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[e-smith-devinfo] Kolab and LDAP (was Re: Suggestion for SME...)

2003-12-08 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Brad Hards wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:46 pm, Klaus J. Mueller wrote:
> > Hm? For what I understand kolab would make a great extension to e-smith.
<
> The kolab implementation is very tightly tied to the concept of "everything in 
> LDAP", while e-smith runs its own configuration database in Perl.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch of the imagination to think of the 
e-smith configuration being stored in LDAP. You'd only need to rewrite a 
few perl classes, and bootstrap the process.

I notice there were some Kolab related modules released on CPAN recently. 
Unfortunately (and surprisingly) the documentation is rather skeletal, 
see, e.g.:

http://search.cpan.org/~stephanb/Kolab-LDAP-0.01/

[I thought CPAN enforced QA standards?]
 
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[e-smith-devinfo] SME's IMAP server (was RE: Suggestion for SME...)

2003-12-08 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Brandon Friedman wrote:

> As I mentioned, this is not a trivial exercise. In particular Kolab is
> built on postfix and Cyrus, SME uses qmail and uw-imap (I think).

uw-imap was discarded in 6.0, in favour of dovecot, which is considerably 
easier to work with, and by all reports, more reliable. At present it 
supports neither shared folders or ACLs. If you think these are necessary 
features, then perhaps the developer could be persuaded ($$) :-)

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[e-smith-devinfo] Separate gateway functionality (Re: Suggestion for SME...)

2003-12-08 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Klaus J. Mueller wrote:

> I think that the gateway functionality is just a minor part in the whole
> concept. (BTW: I think that for security reasons this is the component
> that should be the first one to be put on a different box in real world
> scenarios - which should be the case for most installations anyway
> (DSL-Routers...); it can be done very easily with another low end
> box running e.g. http://fli4l.de/ (ISDN, DSL))

If you analyse it carefully, having a separate gateway box does little to
protect the server from external attack. If, say, ssh, http and smtp are
forwarded from a firewall to an internal server, the internal server is
just as vulnerable to flaws in those protocols as it would have been if it
was also acting as the gateway.

Where a separate gateway has most security advantage is in safety from 
internal attacks, especially internal attacks being leveraged to 
reconfigure the firewall. For many small offices that's not a significant 
problem at a practical level, whereas provisioning, managing and 
understanding multiple servers might be. For concrete examples of this, 
search the boards some time and check the number of problems that people 
have encountered configuring their networks with external 
firewall/routers.

There's always a tradeoff between security and convenience. It's up to you 
to understand the options and make your own choice.

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[e-smith-devinfo] A system update tool (was Re: Rough development plan)

2003-12-08 Thread Charlie Brady

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Brad Hards wrote:

> We should think about infrastructure to provide easy access to updates
> - - perhaps we can resurrect the blades stuff from 5.6? 

That's not an option to you. The "blades stuff" is Mitel proprietary, and 
in any case depends on infrastructure provided by ServiceLink.

As others have suggested, there are a number of existing tools which 
manage package updates. I've found yum very easy to use.

One area where all these tools fall short is in ensuring that services are 
reconfigured and restarted when required (and only when required). But you 
don't currently have any automated support for that now anyway - the 
safety first approach of:

# update all RPMs
/sbin/e-smith/signal-event post-update
/sbin/e-smith/signal-event reboot

could still apply.

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[e-smith-devinfo] Start with small steps (Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Rough development plan)

2003-12-08 Thread Charlie Brady

Hi Brad, good to see you here, and to see so much activity here.

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Brad Hards wrote:

> I am assuming that we want to put out a minor release (which I have
> called 6.1) based on the Mitel SME Server 6.0 release to work out the
> development process nits, prior to putting out a major release (which
> I have called 7.0).

I don't think there is any urgency to put out a release at all (and
certainly none to change the base distribution).  I think the first thing
that you should consider is taking responsibility for maintenance of
what's already out there, and starting on minor feature improvements.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] missing dev rpm

2003-12-04 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Rob Wellesley wrote:

> i noticed that netatalk-1.6.3-1es0.i386.rpm has been removed from the
> /pub/e-smith/dev/6.0dev/updates/6.0beta3/RPMS directory on the mirrors.

No-one can help you except the Mitel developers. Please contact them 
directly - address is at foot of every message.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] CGI.pm

2003-12-02 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> Calling all CGI.pm experts:
> 
> I'm relatively inexperienced at using this module as I've always 
> preferred coding my own cgi functions.  A question:
> 
> If one were to use the CGI::Safe CGI subclass to turn-off uploads, does 
> this shut off uploads in general for the cgi session or is it required 
> that one use CGI form objects to take advantage of this security feature?

Greg, I don't know the answer to your question (although I expect that the
POD probably contains your answer, and know that the perl code certainly
does). Your question isn't at all e-smith/SME specific, so I'd suggest
that your local (or any) perl mongers mailing list would be a better place
to ask the question - there are likely more CGI.pm experts there.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Mailfront Reject Rule

2003-12-01 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> Does anyone know the correct syntax to tell mailfront to refect email 
> from a given domain.  The mailfront docs seem very vague.
> 
> I've set the smtpfront-qmail MAILRULES envir variable to the path of a 
> mail rules file.  This is the reject rule that I'm currenlty using 
> (which doesn't work):
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]::REJECT

Documented here:

http://untroubled.org/mailfront/mailrules.html

Note especially the Note:.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] The road ahead for the SME Server...

2003-12-01 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I notice that Mitel is saying it WILL comply with GPL, so my questions are 
> appropriate at this time or in the near future.
> 
> So I ask again, what are your (Mitel's) plans about this Charlie ?

Your question has already been answered, as you state above.

[Please remember to trim quoted material whenever you post to lists.]

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] The road ahead for the SME Server...

2003-11-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> How can you do further development without an up-to-date base ? Or are you 
> planning to use some other base of some nature ?

Although I can understand your curiosity about Mitel's plans, I see no 
reason why your questions should be answered here.

> > * Copyright and licensing
> >
> >The code in the SME Server remains copyright Mitel Networks and is
> >released under the GNU General Public License.  The GPL provides
> >you with the freedom to modify the software as you choose, but
> >also comes with the requirement to share those modifications.  We
> >trust that those people who derive software from the SME Server
> >will comply with the requirements of the GPL.
> 
> Um, has Mitel decided whether and how any such changes are distributed ?

Mitel has no control over how any "derived works" would be distributed by 
those who develop them. Dan is simply saying that any derived works must 
be distributed in compliance with the GPL. Moreover, it's in the interest 
of the community to help ensure that that takes place (for example, by 
reporting any breaches).
 
> I am totally confused as to how this is all suppose to work from here on out.

You can either:

- become involved

or

- be patient

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[e-smith-devinfo] [Contrib] Tools for filtering Kazaa, etc

2003-11-26 Thread Charlie Brady

A little while ago I built some RPMs of tools reportedly useful for 
blocking Kazaa and friends. I've done nothing about setting up 
configuration for them, and I don't run Windoze so I don't really have a 
need, but I'm sure someone will find these useful. Be sure to write up a 
HOWTO when you do.

i386/ftwall-1.07-1.i386.rpm
i686/netfilter-modules-0.0.1-1es.i686.rpm
athlon/netfilter-modules-0.0.1-1es.athlon.rpm

My understanding is that the netfilter modules are desired rather than 
required. I've only built them for 6.0b3.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm -qivp ~/contrib/RPMS/i386/ftwall-1.07-1.i386.rpm
Name: ftwall   Relocations: (not relocateable)
Version : 1.07  Vendor: (none)
Release : 1 Build Date: Fri 14 Nov 2003 
11:24:59 PM EST
Install date: (not installed)   Build Host: sme60build.nssg.mitel.com
Group   : SystemSource RPM: ftwall-1.07-1.src.rpm
Size: 81494License: GPL
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URL : http://p2pwall.sourceforge.net
Summary : A "Fast Track Firewall" manager daemon
Description :
"Ftwall" is short for "Fast Track Firewall".

"Fast track" is the networking protocol used by Kazaa, KazaaLite, iMesh
and Grokster.

"Ftwall" is part of the "p2pwall" project, which aims to provide similar
mechanisms for other peer-to-peer file sharing protocols in future.

"P2pwall" is short for "Peer-to-peer traffic firewall".

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:  :
: This software project is funded by voluntary donations.  :
:  :
: Please visit http://www.lowth.com/p2pwall/donate to make :
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[e-smith-devinfo] Discussions/inventory of wishes (was Re: FAQ maintenance)

2003-11-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:

> Like we said earlier, it's all about 'making an inventory' of the 
> community wishes on the 'best way to proceed', and you are part of it so 
> duely noted ;-)

IMO a wiki should be used for 'making an inventory' and a mailing list
(and why not this one) should be used for discussions.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] FAQ maintenance

2003-11-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:

> contribs.org has opened a discussion thread on the recent events.
> 
> see: http://contribs.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=16
> 
> Please continue the discussion there.

IMO, bulletin boards don't adequately support discussions. Can you not set 
up a mailing list, if this one won't do? I don't have time or motivation 
to poll bulletin boards, but I think I have something to contribute.

[And, in compliance with my earlier announcement, I'll now have to move 
this into my own time. C ya later.]

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] FAQ maintenance

2003-11-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:

> Since there are many questions which all of us are stuggeling with, 
> contribs.org has begun contacting the major contributors from the 
> community to form a sort of 'brainstorm' team. The purpose of this 
> 'brainstorm' thing is to provide a platform for discussion and idea's.
> 
> See contribs.org for futher details.

Why not have that discussion here?

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[e-smith-devinfo] Community contributions (was Re: [OT] Where's Charlie?)

2003-11-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> > The SME Server is what this community makes it. 
> 
> Really?  This is a pretty dramatic change in policy then...  Up until 
> now, it was made very clear that SME is what Mitel makes it and that 
> this forum is for add-on development only.

Not from where I sit. There's never been any sanction here against
community development of core features (as you should know, as we
collaborated with you, Darrell and perhaps others here to improve samba
support).

What has been made clear is that Mitel publishes what Mitel chooses to.
That doesn't prevent anyone else from making and publishing their own
changes.

We've always encouraged people to submit patches. The sad truth is that 
only a small number of members of the community ever has.

> It is also very interesting the the old "Core" SME developers have 
> stopped using their Mitel email addresses to comment on this list and 
> the boards and are using personal email addresses.

Not in my case:

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:21:54 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] Fedora port (was Re: [OT] Where's Charlie?)

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[e-smith-devinfo] Fedora port (was Re: [OT] Where's Charlie?)

2003-11-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't see the move to Fedora being a huge leap ...

You might be surprised.

In any case, are you, or is anyone, stepping up to the plate?

Setting up a wiki would be a good first step.

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[e-smith-devinfo] [OT] Where's Charlie?

2003-11-25 Thread Charlie Brady

I've moved on to other (still Linux related) duties inside Mitel, and am
no longer leading technical development of the SME server software. But
I'll still be around here, and will be doing some developments of my own
from time to time, which I'll share, as always, via my contrib space. So,
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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] kernel sources for sme6?

2003-11-24 Thread Charlie Brady

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Michael Herger wrote:

> > And are you certain that there are not working drivers already?
> 
> VIA proposes to first use a built in module. There even seems to be a 
> compiled module (via82cxxx_audio.o) with SME6 - which does not work. 

What exactly does "not work" mean? What are you trying to do and how are 
you doing it?

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] kernel sources for sme6?

2003-11-22 Thread Charlie Brady

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Michael Herger wrote:

> I'm trying to compile some drivers.

Is it worth it? Many such efforts have been abandoned (it's not a trivial
effort to get right). 

And are you certain that there are not working drivers already?

> I therefore need kernel sources (or at 
> least the header files?). Is this available? If yes: where from?

One way to find it would be this search:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=kernel-source-2.4.20-18.7

But in fact you can find the source RPM to the kernel the same place that 
you should be able to find all other source for sme6 - in the SRPMS 
directory of whichever mirror site you used to fetch the iso image.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SMTP authentication

2003-11-21 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Darrell May wrote:

> Assuming this is reported to work on SME6, what would be required to add
> this simple SMTP authentication to SME5.5/5.6?  Would it simply be
> installing/upgrading a few selected rpms from 6.0?

I don't know - you'd have to try it. {But I'm not sure why you'd bother. 
It seems to me wasted effort to backport features to 5.x.]

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SMTP authentication

2003-11-21 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Darrell May wrote:

> > echo cvm-local:/var/lib/cvm/cvm-unix-local.socket \
> >  > /var/service/smtpfront-qmail/env/CVM_SASL_PLAIN
> 
> Is this SME6, cvm-0.11-1 only?

SME6, yes. There's no cvm running in an unmodified 5.6. 

The version of cvm shouldn't matter, as long as the socket address is the
same.

Why do you ask? Did you try it and it didn't work?

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SMTP authentication

2003-11-21 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Darrell May wrote:

> http://www.pagefault.org/code/e-smith.shtml#securemail
> 
> Reportedly works on SME5.5/5.6 however a forum post where this contrib was
> tried on SME6 reported problems:
> 
> http://www.e-smith.org/bboard/read.php?v=t&f=3&i=38978&t=38835
> 
> Appears it needs to be re-engineered for SME6 rpm and dovecot IMAP
> differences.

Dovecot would have nothing to do with SMTP authentication - so I take it 
you are just referring to the full set of Damien's packages.

I think this might be sufficient to set up support for inbound SMTP
authentication (and authorise relaying from the public side):

echo cvm-local:/var/lib/cvm/cvm-unix-local.socket \
 > /var/service/smtpfront-qmail/env/CVM_SASL_PLAIN

Note that this adds plaintext authentication on the public interface, and 
hence is strongly discouraged just as public POP, IMAP and telnet are.

It might be feasible to add STARTTLS support through use of stunnel as a
proxy, as has been done for dovecot in the imap run script.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] 6.0b3 updates

2003-11-14 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Darrell May wrote:

> > Install as usual, downgrading with --oldpackage if necessary. 
> 
> As mirrors now contain multiple rpm versions, this is a little unclear.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Fix for CUPS installation bug

2003-11-13 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Robert van den Aker wrote:

> I believe it should be possible to 'rpm -U' cups over LPRng properly if
> the cups package didn't "Provide" LPRng, which it does to meet a
> redhat-printerconf dependency.

Why would you need or want redhat-printerconf to be installed? Are you 
using any of it?

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Compiling kernel modules (was Re: 2 questions)

2003-11-12 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Bruce Richardson wrote:

> Right.  I saw the note accompanying the freeswan modules, saying that
> there were problems with auto-selection.  Sounds as if it would be
> difficult to distribute a powerswitch rpm as anything other than a
> source rpm.

No, depends on your definition of difficult. It's difficult to build
correct binary RPMs until you work out how to trick the RedHat system.
Once you've done that, it's easy :-)

> > I've knocked up a spec file for building RPMs, but I notice that the
> > powerswitch source tarball does not come with any license.
...
> I talked about that to Joris and he said:
> 
> "I believe there is a line in the README file which states that it can
> be used and copied freely.

And modified even. Sorry, I missed that.

> The documentation with version 1.5 says "This program is freeware; you
> may use, modify and/or distribute it without restriction."  That's
> unambiguous enougn, I think.

> Ah, that would be good.  I'll look forward to inspecting the source rpm
> to see how I should have done it.

Spec file is attached. That should allow you to build your own binary 
RPMs. Use "rpmbuild -bb --target=xxx powerswitch.spec".

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# The version and release of the kernel is determined from
# the installed "kernel-source" rpm. You can specify difference
# values via "--define 'kversion xxx' --define 'krelease yyy'"
%{!?kversion: %{expand: %%definekversion%(rpm -q 
--qf="%{VERSION}" kernel-source)}}
%{!?krelease: %{expand: %%definekrelease%(rpm -q 
--qf="%{RELEASE}" kernel-source)}}
Summary:  driver for ATX power switch
Name: powerswitch
Version: 1.5
Release: 1cb
License: freeware
Group: System Environment/Kernel
Vendor: Mitel Networks Corporation
Source0: http://workshy.org/download/powerswitch-1.5.tar.gz
Packager: Charlie Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-root

%define modules /lib/modules/%{kversion}-%{krelease}

BuildRequires: kernel-source = %{kversion}-%{krelease}
Requires: kernel = %{kversion}-%{krelease}

%description
The powerswitch driver makes it possible to use the ATX power button
on your computer to shutdown Linux. You simply press the power button,
and the driver shuts down Linux and powers off the machine, just like
the shutdown command does.

%prep
if ! test -d /usr/src/linux-%{kversion}-%{krelease}/drivers/net; then
  echo "
  -
  You don't seem to have a Linux %{kversion}-%{krelease} source tree installed!
  Please install the kernel-source-%{kversion}-%{krelease} RPM package."
  exit 1
fi
%setup -q -n %{name}

%build

CPU=%{_target_cpu}

for s in smp ""
do
if [ "$s" = "smp" ]
then
SMP=1
else
SMP=0
fi
gcc -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ \
 -D__BOOT_KERNEL_H_ \
 -D__MODULE_KERNEL_$CPU \
 -D__BOOT_KERNEL_SMP=$SMP \
 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -DMODVERSIONS \
 -include \
 /usr/src/linux-%{kversion}-%{krelease}/include/linux/modversions.h \
 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c \
 -Iinclude -I/usr/src/linux-%{kversion}-%{krelease}/include \
 -c powerswitch.c
if [ "$s" = "smp" ]
then
mv powerswitch.o powerswitch.osmp
fi
done

%install
for s in smp ""
do
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{modules}${s}/kernel/drivers/addon/powerswitch
mv powerswitch.o${s} 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{modules}${s}/kernel/drivers/addon/powerswitch/powerswitch.o
done

%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT

%files
%defattr(-,root,root)
%doc README
%{modules}/kernel/drivers/addon/powerswitch/powerswitch.o
%{modules}smp/kernel/drivers/addon/powerswitch/powerswitch.o

%changelog
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[e-smith-devinfo] Compiling kernel modules (was Re: 2 questions)

2003-11-12 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Bruce Richardson wrote:

> 1.  Is the stock kernel for 5.6 E-smith compiled for i386 or a later
> architecture?

An appropriate kernel is installed depending on the hardware discovered at 
install time. You can learn which by running:

rpm -q --qf="%{ARCH}\n" kernel

> 2.  I'm going to compile the powerswitch module for E-smith.  Is it
> enough for me to
> 
>   * Install the kernel source and other devtools
>   * Copy /boot/config-2.4.18-5 to /usr/src/linux/.config
>   * run 'make menuconfig' and fill in the missing "Processor type
> and features" settings.
>   * 'make dep'
>   * Finally, compile the module
> 
> Will this work?

Yes and no. You might be very lucky and end up with a module which works 
with your kernel but you are more likely to have done a lot of work to end 
up with a module which doesn't load.

The easiest way to end up with a module which will load and work is just
to run "make" in the powerswitch directory after you untar the source.  
RedHat have tweaked the kernel source so that you get compile options set
to build modules which exactly match your running kernel (google for
MODVERSIONS to find out exactly how this works). That'll work for you in
this case, but makes it much harder to build modules to match kernels or
architectures other than the build machine and its running kernel.

To build for other architectures you need to subvert the RedHat "do what I 
think you mean" fixes, e.g:

KVERSION=2.4.20
KRELEASE=18.7
SMP=0 # or 1
CPU=i686 # or i586, i386, athlon
gcc -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ \
 -D__BOOT_KERNEL_H_ \
 -D__MODULE_KERNEL_$CPU \
 -D__BOOT_KERNEL_SMP=$SMP \
 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -DMODVERSIONS \
 -include \
 /usr/src/linux-${KVERSION}-${KRELEASE}/include/linux/modversions.h \
 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c \
 -Iinclude -I/usr/src/linux-${KVERSION}-${KRELEASE}/include \
 -c powerswitch.c

I've knocked up a spec file for building RPMs, but I notice that the
powerswitch source tarball does not come with any license. This means that
I cannot redistribute the source (and neither can you), nor build binaries
RPMs and distribute them. It would be breach of copyright if we did.

Please contact the author and ask him to rebundle the source code with a
free license (preferably GPL, which we are certain is compatible with the
linux kernel license). Let me know when he has done so and I will build
and publish my RPMs.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Exit code 256

2003-11-12 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Michiel Blotwijk wrote:

> If I delete a user account on SME6 using the below perl code, I get exit
> code 256. The same perl code on SME 5.6 returns 0. In both cases the
> account seems to be cleanly deleted. What am I doing wrong, or can I
> simply ignore the first byte of the exit code? 

The "first byte" (if ints were 16bits, in MSB order) of the exit code is
the return status of the command (see "perldoc -f system") - in this case,
signal-event returned 1.

This sequence:

> db_delete(\%accounts, $username);
> my $rc = system("/sbin/e-smith/signal-event", "user-delete", $username);

will eventually cause you problems. You won't be able to tell ahead of 
time which actions will require some of the properties of the account you 
are deleting in order to do their job. That will depend on what contribs 
are installed. That's why we always first change the type to 
"user-deleted", then run the "user-delete" action, then remove the db 
entry for the account.

One of the actions and/or signal-event itself is returning an exit 
status. You'll need to work out why.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Testing mailing list

2003-10-29 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, maverick wrote:

> Figured I'd test out the list as it seems the web site is down...

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] dyndns.org update behind NAT?

2003-10-28 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Gordon Rowell wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 12:21:22PM -0500, Charlie Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [...]
> > There's no need to do anything other than create the correct 
> > /sbin/e-smith/dynamic-dns/xxx script. /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth1.exe already 
> > knows to call "signal-event ip-change" when an IP change occurs, and the 
> > configured dynamic dns script is already called as part of the ip-change 
> > event handling.
> > [...]
> 
> Ah, but that won't help if you're behind another NAT box, as in this
> thread.

That depends on how smart your dyndns updater is. Except for this problem 
...

> The SME server is unlikely to ever see an ip-change event - it's
> external address will be effectively static.

True, so neither the original proposal nor my much simpler one would work.

[Did I ever mention that external NAT boxes are almost always more trouble 
than they're worth? Search the boards for problems if you don't believe 
me.]

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] dyndns.org update behind NAT?

2003-10-27 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Charlie Brady wrote:

> It shouldn't be hard to do. We've provided the framework for it to be done 
> quite simply. AFAIK, though, noone other than Mitel has produced any 
> e-smith-dynamicdns-* rpms.

I must correct myself. Dan Brown contributed the dyndns.org code which is 
now part of the standard distribution.

http://www.e-smith.org/contrib/rpm-index/RPM-e-smith-dyndns.org-0.2-1.src.html

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] dyndns.org update behind NAT?

2003-10-27 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Dub Dublin wrote:

> There's a nice little program called ddclient 
> (http://burry.ca:4141/ddclient/)  that I've used to do this with a 
> couple of different NAT boxes.  The configuration is easy, although 
> AFAIK, no one has integrated it into the SME environment.

It shouldn't be hard to do. We've provided the framework for it to be done 
quite simply. AFAIK, though, noone other than Mitel has produced any 
e-smith-dynamicdns-* rpms.

> No matter - once you've set up the config file, it's really just a 
> matter of putting it in crontab, or better yet, adding a line to 
> /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth1.exe to run ddclient every time you get handed a 
> different address.  (ddclient is smart enough to not even bother 
> updating dynamic DNS if your IP address hasn't actually changed.)

There's no need to do anything other than create the correct 
/sbin/e-smith/dynamic-dns/xxx script. /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth1.exe already 
knows to call "signal-event ip-change" when an IP change occurs, and the 
configured dynamic dns script is already called as part of the ip-change 
event handling.

> Maybe I'll get the time someday to wrap ddclient up in a self-installing 
> script for SME and post it on contribs.org ...

If you do so, please make it an RPM. Ask for help here if you need help to 
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[e-smith-devinfo] OT (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] All POP3 mail passing through qmail on SME 6.0b3 box - why?)

2003-10-27 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, maverick wrote:

> I've been trying for 15 minutes to send some e-mail to a buddy with a
> dell.com e-mail address...

This is off topic for this list. This is not a technical support forum.

> and it keeps bouncing back to me from qmail on my
> SME box.

Yes, because Dell (etc) is rejecting it. They're telling you why too, but
it seems you haven't read the reasons.

  This doesn't make any sense to me because the outbound SMTP server
> setings in Outlook on this machine (WinXP machine behind the SME box) are
> set to the IPs of the mail servers of my e-mail account providers. 

>  For some reason, SME and qmail are getting
> stuck in the middle and are attempting to send out this mail for me

It does that by design. But in any case, it won't make any difference. A 
masqueraded connection will appear the same as a transparent proxied 
connection to the peer SMTP server.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] TinyDns info SME 6 beta3

2003-10-19 Thread Charlie Brady

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, dave wrote:

> Does anyone know where, in the SME standard load, the make utility for
> tinydns is hidden (compiles the 'data' file to a 'data.cdb' file),

It's not hidden, it's not present:

http://www.e-smith.org/faq/#8q7

> or if some other program creating the 'data.cdb' file,

/etc/e-smith/events/actions/tinydns-conf

> I've tried creating events via the server-manager by adding and removing
> hosts, and have seen the date and size of the compiled hosts the
> /var/service/tinydns/root/data.cdb change, but the date and size of
> /var/service/tinydns/root/data  remain the same.

Very strange. I can't think of any reason that data.cdb would change when 
data does not.

> Other events seem to regenerate the 'data' file, but do not seem to
> propogate the changes to the compiled 'data.cdb' file.

I'm sure they do.  What you may be seeing is a dnscache configuration 
issue. If you are adding records for domains which are not already 
delegated to tinydns, then the newly added records won't be visible to any 
name lookups.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Help please

2003-10-17 Thread Charlie Brady

I'm sorry Richard, this is not a help list. Please ask elsewhere.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Installing Dovecot on 5.6

2003-10-16 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Des Dougan wrote:

> However, as 6.0 will use dovecot when it's released,

6.0beta3 (plus updates) uses dovecot now.

> I am willing to try that on 5.6. Is it a straight plug-in, or do the
> mail folders require to be converted as is required by the Courier
> daemon?

The mail folders need to be moved/renamed, but differently to Courier (so 
that folder names can contain periods).

Your simplest solution is to upgrade.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] port-forwarding contrib incompatibilities?

2003-10-13 Thread Charlie Brady

Alejandro, this is not a help list, but a list to discuss technical 
aspects of development projects. Please seek help on the peer support 
bulletin boards at http://www.e-smith.org/bboard/, or contact the author 
of a contrib package directly.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] APACHE and SMTP Listen Port - SME 5.6 or 6.0

2003-10-10 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Tim Litwiller wrote:

> My isp here in kansas will block your mac address ( no traffic allowed 
> either way) at thier routers if they don't get a error timeout when 
> trying to access port 80, so it either has to be blocked in the firewall 
> or httpd can't be running on that port on the external interface.

You won't get a timeout if the firewall doesn't drop packets and httpd
isn't running. You'll get a TCP RESET (IIRC). I think you'll get the same
if you REJECT from the packet firewall.  No, you
won't get a reject, you'll get an ICMP "port unreachable", although
"tcp-reset"  is an option.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] APACHE and SMTP Listen Port - SME 5.6 or 6.0

2003-10-10 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Beeckmans Olivier wrote:

> Has anyone written interface to change Apache and SMTP Listen port

I'd suggest that a better (simpler) approach is to leave the applications
listening to the standard ports, and use iptables DNAT (port forwarding) 
to redirect incoming traffic on a non-standard port to the standard port.

You might even be able to do this with the port-forwarding panel (or could 
do it, with some small modification to that panel).

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Stability of SME server 6.0 beta 3

2003-10-10 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Adrian Snyman wrote:

> I know that this is a beta release ..
> But for a small site using no more than dial-on-demand and mail .. is this a 
> better release than 5.6 ??

Please ask your question on one of the peer support bulletin boards on 
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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Backup to Desktop file size limit

2003-10-07 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Cyrus Bharda wrote:

> Try posting this question in the e-smith.org fourms, (
> http://www.e-smith.org/bboard/index.php?f=0 ), you might get a better
> reponce as this list is for developmental issues not technical support
> issues.

No need to post. A search for 3.99GB will give plenty of hits, including a 
probably solution.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] [Announce] background memory tester

2003-10-01 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Cyrus Bharda wrote:

> Just wondering if you could shed some light on some results?

I have no source of information which you don't. Anything that's not on 
the web or in the source code I have to guess.

> When I run memtester, before all the tests get run, the log fills up with
> hundreds of these types of lines:
...
> @40003f7a5a4e2d64337c Unable to malloc 448790528 bytes.
> @40003f7a5a4e2d64c7ec Allocated 447741952 bytes...trying mlock...failed:
> insufficient resources.
...

My guess is that this is just memtester determining how much memory it can 
test.

> But after that all the tests run fine?
> 
> @40003f7a5ef42440828c 1 runs completed.  0 errors detected.

I guess this means that no errors have been detected.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Telstra ISDN NT1 Plus and NT1 Plus II

2003-09-05 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, David Beveridge wrote:

> Has anyone else used USB modems with SME server?

See the recent thread with subject "external isdn modem with usb".

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Re[3]: [e-smith-devinfo] RPM build of nut

2003-09-04 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Laurent DINCLAUX wrote:

> An other question about your nut-cgi contrib. It copies the cgi
> files but no acces to them.

Left as an exercise for the reader :-)

> Here what I have tried to move the cgi file in the cgi-bin dir of
> my primary ibay here what I get:
> - upsstats.cgi: Error: can't open hosts.conf
> - upsset.cgi: Error: Can't open upsset.conf to verify security settings.
>   Refusing to start until this is fixed.

Presumably there are too restrictive permissions. Or, less likely, path 
mismatches. I'd suggest that you use strace to see where the program is 
coming unstuck.

> So created a template custom to httpd.conf:
> 
> 90e-smithAcces40nut:
> # Nut
> Alias   /nut /var/www/html/nut-cgi-bin
> 
> 
> Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks +Indexes
> AllowOverride None
> order deny,allow
> deny from all
> allow from all
> AuthName "NUT cgi"
> AuthType Basic
> AuthExternal pwauth
> require user admin
> 
> #  Nut end

You need to:

s:/var/www/html/nut-cgi-bin:/var/www/nut-cgi-bin:


> When accessing httpd://domain/nut/upsstats.cgi I get:
> 
> Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /nut/upsstats.cgi on this server.
> 
> When I'll get it to work, I will include it in a contrib rpm. Maybe
> under a manager panel ...

All sounds great! :-)

> Also to make nut work on /dev/ttyS0, I had to chmod it to 777
> witch is, I think, not a really secure work around.
> 
> Any advices ?

I'd create /var/lib/ups/ttyS0 with the required ownership and permissions. 
That's what I've done with the hids device (hiddev0), to avoid 
chown/chmodding the standard one.

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Re[2]: [e-smith-devinfo] RPM build of nut

2003-09-04 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Laurent DINCLAUX wrote:

> CB> No and no. There's a problem with the patch file - make (in its anal way)
> CB> wants a leading tab, not the spaces inserted by the patch.
> 
> CB> I've made a nut-1.2.0-1es3 RPM set which contains the new driver. Should 
> CB> appear over the next day in the various mirror sites.
> 
> The blazer patch modify the bestups driver ? Or is it a standalone driver ?
> 
> Because when I:
> 
> # rpm -ql nut
> 
> I don't see any Blazer driver file ...

Sorry, I put up the wrong version. Have a look tomorrow for
nut-1.2.0-1es4 which contains /sbin/blazer.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] RPM build of nut

2003-09-03 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Brad Hards wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:23 pm, Laurent DINCLAUX wrote:
> > #rpm -ba ../../SPECS/nut.spec
> > + cp -a drivers/hidups /var/tmp/nut-1.2.0-root/sbin/hidups
> > cp: cannot stat `drivers/hidups': Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
> > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.50163 (%install)
>
> Does drivers/hidups actually exist? Is it getting built?

No and no. There's a problem with the patch file - make (in its anal way) 
wants a leading tab, not the spaces inserted by the patch.

I've made a nut-1.2.0-1es3 RPM set which contains the new driver. Should 
appear over the next day in the various mirror sites.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] external isdn modem with usb

2003-09-01 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Charlie Brady wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, stephen noble wrote:
> 
> > what would need to change to get it to work ?
> ...
> > Aug 23 18:08:46 sme6 diald[2660]: Calling site 0.0.0.0
> > Aug 23 18:08:46 sme6 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-166
> > Aug 23 18:08:46 sme6 diald[2660]: Error opening device
> > /dev/input/ttyACM0: No such device
> 
> "modprobe " for some  is required. Then you need to add:
> 
> alias char-major-166 
> 
> to /etc/modules.conf to make the module load automatic.
> 
> The possibility remains that there is no valid  for the device you 
> have.

This posting

http://www.linuxsa.org.au/mailing-list/2003-08/247.html

suggests that "acm" is the appropriate . There is also a suggestion of 
what you need in the dial init string, to enable DOV and 128k - 
"!T0=0!T4=1".

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] external isdn modem with usb

2003-08-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, stephen noble wrote:

> what would need to change to get it to work ?
...
> Aug 23 18:08:46 sme6 diald[2660]: Calling site 0.0.0.0
> Aug 23 18:08:46 sme6 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-166
> Aug 23 18:08:46 sme6 diald[2660]: Error opening device
> /dev/input/ttyACM0: No such device

"modprobe " for some  is required. Then you need to add:

alias char-major-166 

to /etc/modules.conf to make the module load automatic.

The possibility remains that there is no valid  for the device you 
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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Customization query

2003-08-19 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Alex Schaft wrote:

> I went through hostentries.pm, hostentries, and dhcpd.conf 
> 60StaticEntries part to add individual gateways and dns servers for host 
> entries.

I don't understand what you are trying to achieve. Why would you want 
different gateway IPs and different dns servers for different hosts on the 
same network?

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Beta2 -> Beta3 changes. Ibays and VirtualDomains

2003-08-19 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Steffen Hansen wrote:

> I recently upgraded from 5.6 to 6.0Beta3, and my virtual
> domains have stopped working.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] e-smith.org forums down?

2003-08-14 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Cyrus Bharda wrote:

> Are any of you people from Mitel looking into it?

No. Did you send them any email so that they were aware of it?

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] e-smith.org forums down?

2003-08-14 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Gavin BS Cowie wrote:

> Quoting Cyrus Bharda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > What email address should I send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or perhaps [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email addresses being case-sensitive.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] OT: Fires

2003-08-14 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Rob Adams wrote:

> Hey Charlie and Co.
> 
> Are these .ca fires anywhere near you guys?

Well no. I'm just back from vacation in Newfoundland. No fires, but I did 
see an iceberg (and a moose, some whales, caribou, puffins, etc) :-)

[BTW, congrats to Heathrow for scoring its first ever century (F)!]

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Startup scripts (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo]Developing printer queue web interface)

2003-07-30 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Gordon Rowell wrote:

> How about "discourage, frequently" :-)
> 
> > I always thought that the service command just called the relevant script
> > any way.
> 
> It does, but it calls the /etc/init.d/{$service} script. This means 
> it they won't take into account whether that service is enabled 
> or disabled in the configuration database.

And in the special case of "service httpd start", you will be calling an
init script which we *never* call (with undefined results, of course). The
two web servers running in an SME server are called "httpd-e-smith" and
"httpd-admin".

> Hmm, replacing /sbin/service with a link to 
> /etc/init.d/e-smith-service could remove this distinction, at the
> cost of a small amount of maintenance...

Or create /sbin/e-smith/service, and placing /sbin/e-smith early in root's 
PATH ... (doesn't solve the "httpd" problem though).

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Developing printer queue web interface

2003-07-29 Thread Charlie Brady

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm trying to develop a web page to add to e-smith that will allow users
> to view and delete jobs from the print queue for attached printers.   

Windows users should already be able to view and delete jobs which they 
own via the Print Manager (or equivalent). Do you find this not to be the 
case (if so, please report your problem to [EMAIL PROTECTED]), or do your 
users use some platform other than Windows?

>  Then, I hand modified the
> /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file (templates to follow after development
> is complete.)
...
> I then do a 'signal-event httpd restart' (or stop followed by start) and
> try to log in to the printqueue page.

Perhaps you mean "service httpd restart"? We strongly discourage the use 
of "service". Instead, use the relevant action script:

/etc/e-smith/events/actions/restart-httpd-graceful

Or you could use the relevant rc7.d script:

/etc/rc.d/rc7.d/S85httpd-e-smith restart

>  I am asked for the
> username/password, as expected, and then I receive the "The requested
> URL /printerqueue/ was not found on this server." message.  

Have you also modified /etc/httpd/admin-conf/httpd.conf? You'll need to.

Now, having said all this, I think you may be trying to reinvent the 
wheel. I vaguely recall someone already having a contrib to manage printer 
queues.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Running fetchmail and standard emailsimultaneously???

2003-07-18 Thread Charlie Brady

Steve, this list exists to allow developers to help each other with 
development projects. Note also that cross-posting is generally considered 
disrespectful.

That said ...

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Steve Watford wrote:

> Now, I need to have the server also run a 
> fetchmail process to gather some mail from a different pop account hosted 
> elsewhere and then dump these emails into our users imap accounts.

The standard product can do this without modification (just avoid private 
servergateway mode).

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] The latest e-smith samba package for 5.6

2003-07-17 Thread Charlie Brady

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Nick Warr wrote:

> Is there anywhere I can find out what options it was compiled with?

The build instructions are in the .spec file which is in the src.rpm file.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Installing SME 6 on VMware

2003-07-11 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Peter Samuel wrote:

> The installer copies the install image onto the hard disk to speed up
> the process.

"install image" being the installer program set, not the iso image from 
the CD (just in case anyone was confused).

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] DNS software for windows -- for developmentpurposes

2003-07-11 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:

> Does anyone know of a fairly simply DNS server for Windows 2000/XP 
> workstation that can be used as a development aid?  I'm running VMware 
> to simulate a SME setup, but can't test email related stuff without 
> proper MX records pointing the VMware/SME setup.

A second SME setup already has a working DNS configuration setup on its
internal interface. I'd recommend 6.0, as tinydns is very easy to tweak
once you're used to it.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] [BETA] e-smith-messagewall-0.0.3 and requiredRPMs

2003-07-08 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Craig Foster wrote:

> Try again, e-smith-messagewall-0.0.3
> 
> * Wed Jul 09 2003 Craig Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - fixed missing directory for PID file.
> - fixed /var/service/smtpfront-qmail/run not expanded.

You shouldn't template that file, as it's owned by another RPM, and isn't 
a config file. I'd guess you need a small patch to the e-smith-mailfront 
RPM. If so, the first step is to contact the author of that package and 
let him/her/they know what feature you want.

> Maybe someone could nudge me in the right direction, regarding the false
> OK?
> 
> The snippet of start (/etc/rc.d/init.d/messagewall) code is thus :
> =
> RETVAL=0
> 
> startmw() {
> echo -n $"Starting MessageWall: "
> # Change "local1.info" to the syslog level you want.
> /usr/bin/messagewall 2>&1 | /usr/bin/logger -t Messagewall \
>-p local1.info &
> RETVAL=$?
> [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/messagewall
> [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && echo_success
> [ $RETVAL -ne 0 ] && echo_failure
> echo
> return $RETVAL
> }
> ==
> 
> 
> As you can see, there is no logging facility other than STDOUT
> redirected to logger.
> I think that since logger starts OK, RETVAL gets the OK (=0). Have
> anyone come across any other way to detect running startups?
> I'm thinking the old `ps ax | grep "/usr/bin/messagewall"` might be the
> way to go
> It'll need to be detected properly, if I hope to move to daemontools
> and/or chroot.

I'd recommend moving to daemontools as soon as possible. It's not at all 
hard, and it'll be more reliable. No need for a pid file, no pipes to 
logger required. Ask here and/or the messagewall mailing list if you want 
more detailed advice on using daemontools for monitoring/starting/stopping 
processes.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] DNS problems

2003-07-08 Thread Charlie Brady

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:

> For some strange reason I have some problems with DNS. I am running the
> beta2.

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> Cheers for any help

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help request, please use other more appropriate venues.

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[e-smith-devinfo] Talking to "Mitel" (was RE: SME 6.0 SRPMS)

2003-06-26 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote:

> Had anyone other than Darrell posed the question, even phrased in
> exactly the same manner, the responses would have been quite a bit
> different and much less vitriolic.

I don't believe my response was "virtiolic".

This is a simple re-statement of previous requests.

 If you want to ask "Mitel", ask directly, not via this list.

Darrell has been asked many times not to talk to "Mitel" on this list. I
make no apology for the fact that I am frustrated at his persistent lack
of co-operation, not that I repeat the request.

 If you have patches to submit, we're happy to recieve them.

I can't see anything (beyond the spelling mistake) which would cause
offense there.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME 6.0 SRPMS

2003-06-25 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Darrell May wrote:

> I'm diving into SME6.0 and require access to SRPMS for development.  I
> visited a few mirrors and did not find any.  If Mitel has not already
> done so, would someone from Mitel please make the SRPMS available as
> soon as convenient.  If they are available, would someone please assist
> me in pointing out where they may be found.

This is *also* inappropriate for this list. If you want to ask "Mitel", 
ask directly, not via this list.

If you have patches to submit, we're happy to recieve them.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Error: account name is too long. The maximumis 12 characters.

2003-06-25 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, DwiwiN wrote:

> Oh, ya! How about my question - directly mail to you?

That's also off-topic for this list.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Error: account name is too long. The maximumis 12 characters.

2003-06-24 Thread Charlie Brady

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, DwiwiN wrote:

> Anybody can help me to solve this problem?

Dwi, this is not a help list. If you are a supported customer or parner,
then the folks reachable via the support email address at Mitel will be
able to help you, or otherwise, you can usually find help on the bulletin
boards at http://www.e-smith.org/. Be sure to search first, all dates -
most questions, including yours, will get answers that way.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] ftp.e-smith.org down?

2003-06-20 Thread Charlie Brady

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:

> Since we had been mirroring the e-smith contribs area, it is a simple thing
> to move the existing files over to our file library.  We won't do this
> without a request from the individual developers out of courtesy.

I have already given you permission, via the GPL license, to mirror my 
work. I don't consider it a lack of courtesy for you to use the license 
which I have already given you.

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