Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 at 11:30:14 UTC, Ozan wrote:

Hi
What about Munich? - More sun, more IT companies, more 
beergardens, ...

Maybe we can ask "Funkwerk Aktiengesellschaft" for sponsering?

If you calling for papers, what about using video conferencing 
tools?

Not everybody is willing to travel far far away.

Regards, Ozan


+1 for Munich. Nice city, loads of IT too. A lot of airlines go 
to Munich. It's 30-40 minutes by train from the airport to the 
city center by train (S-Bahn). Public transport is quite good in 
Munich.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Luís Marques via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:09:01 UTC, Manu wrote:
Japan would be a great destination, it's quite convenient for 
Australia/NZ, west-coast US, and not too bad for Europeans. 
But most importantly, Kenji would have no excuse not to come! :P


Is Kenji's identity and location known?

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d]

On 25/05/2016 11:30 PM, Ozan wrote:

Hi
What about Munich? - More sun, more IT companies, more beergardens, ...
Maybe we can ask "Funkwerk Aktiengesellschaft" for sponsering?

If you calling for papers, what about using video conferencing tools?
Not everybody is willing to travel far far away.

Regards, Ozan


If we do paper submissions, we should work in with a preexisting journal 
(although I do love the idea!).

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Ozan via Digitalmars-d]

Hi
What about Munich? - More sun, more IT companies, more 
beergardens, ...

Maybe we can ask "Funkwerk Aktiengesellschaft" for sponsering?

If you calling for papers, what about using video conferencing 
tools?

Not everybody is willing to travel far far away.

Regards, Ozan

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[nazriel via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


Czech Republic sounds good.

Maybe Poland?
It is cheap there as well.

Whatever place you guys decide - as long as it is Europe I'm in :)
Visas are always PITA.

Best regards,
Damian Ziemba

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[krzaq via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 14:13:00 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 04:02:52 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
But for people like me $90 per night is too much. I live in 
Czech Republic which is a really beautifull country in middle 
of europe (it is called heart of europe). And even in Prague 
which is capital city of Czech Republic I am able to get room 
per $10. And it is not only accomodation but other things are 
really cheap here. For example beer price is only about $1 
(btw czech beer is the best beer on the word). Public 
transport in Prague for 3 days cost just only $15 and so on.


Even dconf in Berlin (just 400km from me) is expensive for me 
(one month salary including transport and accommodation).


Sorry, I'm just used to things being overpriced. Beer pretty 
much never costs $1 at a bar in NYC. Usually closer to $5-8. 
I've bought girls $15 cocktails.


+1 from me for anywhere in the Czech Republic. It's a great 
country. Good food, cheap living, cheap and great beer, funny 
language (as long as you're Polish), nice people. In tourist 
areas you can easily get around with just English.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[jmh530 via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 04:02:52 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
But for people like me $90 per night is too much. I live in 
Czech Republic which is a really beautifull country in middle 
of europe (it is called heart of europe). And even in Prague 
which is capital city of Czech Republic I am able to get room 
per $10. And it is not only accomodation but other things are 
really cheap here. For example beer price is only about $1 (btw 
czech beer is the best beer on the word). Public transport in 
Prague for 3 days cost just only $15 and so on.


Even dconf in Berlin (just 400km from me) is expensive for me 
(one month salary including transport and accommodation).


Sorry, I'm just used to things being overpriced. Beer pretty much 
never costs $1 at a bar in NYC. Usually closer to $5-8. I've 
bought girls $15 cocktails.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:30:21 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:26:51 UTC, Chris wrote:

[...]


Ok dude, you've not said anything worthwhile in this thread OMG 
terrorism and OMG Human right. None of this is relevant for 
DConf's next location.




Nothing, really? I've suggested a location (that has been upvoted 
by 2 or three people), provided a bit of information about the 
location (conference centers, accommodation). Have you read it, 
if not please educate yourself.


And I do think that security is relevant for DConf's next 
location.


I don't subscribe to hysteria, else I wouldn't leave the house. 
But why would I expose myself to a risk that's a) not worth 
taking, and b) while there are so many other beautiful locations 
to choose from?



You need to go now.


I see. You hold the freedom of speech in high regard. Liberté, 
égalité, fraternité. Whatever happened to them?

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:26:51 UTC, Chris wrote:

[...]


Ok dude, you've not said anything worthwhile in this thread OMG 
terrorism and OMG Human right. None of this is relevant for 
DConf's next location.


You need to go now.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 10:58:01 UTC, Ethan Watson wrote:


I went to Tel Aviv in late 2012, around the time Hamas were 
trading missiles with the Israelis. There was a suicide bomb on 
a bus a few days before I arrived.


Yet I still had a much lower chance of being caught in such a 
blast than I do crossing the street and being hit by a truck. 
Actually being caught in a terrorist attack is a really low 
probability. Naively comparing the population of Istanbul to 
people killed or injured in the March 2016 attacks puts the 
probability of being in that blast somewhere around the same 
chances of choking on your food and dying.


Chalk me up as not seeing the point of terrorism hysteria.


It's not hysteria. Recently 10 tourists were killed while they 
were doing sight seeing. Given that as a foreigner you probably 
visit places of interest and are easily discernible the chances 
of becoming the target of an attack is much higher than for a 
local who commutes to work in an area of little touristic 
interest. You have to take the proximity to war zones into 
account too.


You cannot compare overall random risks (like being hit by a bus) 
with very specific risks. Tourists and foreigners are risk groups 
in certain parts of the world. I just don't see the point in 
chancing it only to prove that I'm cool. Also, in general you 
have better control over trucks, buses and your own food than 
over cowards who are trying to kill you unbeknownst to yourself. 
Traffic is organized and accidents _can_ happen, if things go 
wrong. Attacks are intentional and not ruled by chance (unlike a 
bus driver not being able to put in the brakes).


Numbers in statistics don't mean much without context.

As for the human rights issues, we really shouldn't go into this 
now, because we would only be opening a can of worms. And this is 
certainly not the purpose of this thread.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Manu via Digitalmars-d]

On 10 May 2016 at 03:27, deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
 wrote:
> On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 15:32:05 UTC, wobbles wrote:
>>
>> I also think it should not only be in a decently cheap location, but also
>> in a location where there is, by default, a high concentration of D users.
>>
>> Berlin fits that.
>> Facebook fits that.
>> Where's the other high concentration of D users?
>
>
> Lots of D user in Japan and Australia. Many scattered around the US.

Japan would be a great destination, it's quite convenient for
Australia/NZ, west-coast US, and not too bad for Europeans.
But most importantly, Kenji would have no excuse not to come! :P

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Ethan Watson via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 09:19:11 UTC, Chris wrote:
Are you talking about the whole country or Istanbul? Anyway, 
it's not the average homicide rate I'm concerned with, it's the 
fact that you might happen to be at the wrong place at the 
wrong time when a bomb goes off.


I went to Tel Aviv in late 2012, around the time Hamas were 
trading missiles with the Israelis. There was a suicide bomb on a 
bus a few days before I arrived.


Yet I still had a much lower chance of being caught in such a 
blast than I do crossing the street and being hit by a truck. 
Actually being caught in a terrorist attack is a really low 
probability. Naively comparing the population of Istanbul to 
people killed or injured in the March 2016 attacks puts the 
probability of being in that blast somewhere around the same 
chances of choking on your food and dying.


Chalk me up as not seeing the point of terrorism hysteria.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Manu via Digitalmars-d]

On 7 May 2016 at 00:13, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
 wrote:
> The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those who are
> watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?
>
> Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any initial
> thoughts!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrei

Much easier for Aussies/Kiwis to get to west-coast US, but it was
definitely more fun to visit Europe than the states! That said, it's
unlikely I'll afford the trip to Europe again. Really hard to justify
the cost and extra time out from work >_< (just got home!)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d]

On Tue, 2016-05-10 at 09:19 +, Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[…]
> 
> Are you talking about the whole country or Istanbul? Anyway, it's 
> not the average homicide rate I'm concerned with, it's the fact 
> that you might happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time 
> when a bomb goes off. The thing is that whoever is behind such 
> attacks targets foreigners. And I think most attendees at DConf 
> would qualify as foreigners. No, it's simply not worth the risk, 
> even if it is statistically low in the broad scheme of things, it 
> is much higher than average at the moment.

Having been in Istanbul during the riots of 2007, I can attest that if
you are not near the riots themselves you only notice if you watch the
television or read the newspapers. So you just have to coordinate with
the riot planners to be somewhere different.

To be honest more of a problem with Turkey for me is the destruction of
freedoms and rights that seems to be happening since 2013. What is
happening is entirely at odds with trying to join the EU. Though the
EU–Turkey deal over refugees is clearly undermining the EU position.
  
-- 
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Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d]

On Tue, 2016-05-10 at 08:51 +, Robert burner Schadek via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> what about Singapore.
> 
> * pretty easy to travel to from all over the world
> * english speaking

Far more important though, they use UK three pin plugs (BS 1363) for
power.

But then so does Hong Kong. And Ireland.


OK so I have North European computer power cables as well so that isn't
a problem.

USA, Australia and New Zealand lead to problems, but then personally I
just won't be able to afford to travel to those locations.

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Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrea Fontana via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 09:21:48 UTC, Chris wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 09:00:13 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote:



So sad nobody cited Italy as candidate :)


Yes, but where and why?

* Roma
* Milano
* Firenze
* Torino
* ...


Venice, just because I live there eheh ;)

Andrea

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrea Fontana via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 09:02:25 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 09:00:13 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote:
On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels 
for those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? 
What can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please 
share any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


So sad nobody cited Italy as candidate :)


Is the community big there ? I'd love to go to Italy, but it 
has to make sense for DConf :)


I don't think so. I think I've never seen a post by an Italian 
here except me. I have some clues that the good old bearophile is 
italian too :)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 09:00:13 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote:



So sad nobody cited Italy as candidate :)


Yes, but where and why?

* Roma
* Milano
* Firenze
* Torino
* ...

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 08:55:40 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 08:42:08 UTC, Chris wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 07:25:29 UTC, Mengu wrote:

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 20:08:03 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:




we can also welcome you guys in istanbul :)


Sorry, but I don't think it's safe to go there at the moment, 
thanks to your and our politicians.


Homicide rate is 2.6 per 100 000 inhabitant. That's less than 
the US (3.8) Hungary (2.7) Taiwan (3.0) Chile (3.1) Estonia 
(4.1) India (3.5).


Are you talking about the whole country or Istanbul? Anyway, it's 
not the average homicide rate I'm concerned with, it's the fact 
that you might happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time 
when a bomb goes off. The thing is that whoever is behind such 
attacks targets foreigners. And I think most attendees at DConf 
would qualify as foreigners. No, it's simply not worth the risk, 
even if it is statistically low in the broad scheme of things, it 
is much higher than average at the moment.



You should switch off your TV.


I don't have one. Not worth it.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 08:51:42 UTC, Robert burner Schadek 
wrote:

what about Singapore.

* pretty easy to travel to from all over the world
* english speaking


* caning
* death penalty

If we made human rights a criterion, I don't think there would be 
a lot of places left where DConf can be held.


English speaking should not be a criterion, though. It's true of 
Dublin too, but it would unfairly rule out other cities such as 
Prague and Barcelona. In tourism and conference centers most 
people will have English anyway. The criteria should be:


* easy to travel too
* sponsor available
* D crowd not too far away
* city not too expensive

Staying in a lovely city with loads of things to see would be a 
bonus.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 09:00:13 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote:
On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please 
share any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


So sad nobody cited Italy as candidate :)


Is the community big there ? I'd love to go to Italy, but it has 
to make sense for DConf :)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrea Fontana via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


So sad nobody cited Italy as candidate :)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Robert burner Schadek via Digitalmars-d]

what about Singapore.

* pretty easy to travel to from all over the world
* english speaking

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 07:25:29 UTC, Mengu wrote:

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 20:08:03 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:




we can also welcome you guys in istanbul :)


Sorry, but I don't think it's safe to go there at the moment, 
thanks to your and our politicians.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 04:02:52 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:

Dne 9.5.2016 v 19:45 jmh530 via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):



But for people like me $90 per night is too much. I live in 
Czech Republic which is a really beautifull country in middle 
of europe (it is called heart of europe). And even in Prague 
which is capital city of Czech Republic I am able to get room 
per $10. And it is not only accomodation but other things are 
really cheap here. For example beer price is only about $1 (btw 
czech beer is the best beer on the word). Public transport in 
Prague for 3 days cost just only $15 and so on.


Even dconf in Berlin (just 400km from me) is expensive for me 
(one month salary including transport and accommodation).


Prague is fine with me. Good food, good beer, and cheap on top of 
that. I've heard tell that it's a beautiful city. A bit of 
architectural eye-candy is always nice.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Mengu via Digitalmars-d]

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 20:08:03 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On 9 May 2016 at 17:32, wobbles via Digitalmars-d 
 wrote:

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 15:12:25 UTC, krzaq wrote:

[...]



I also think it should not only be in a decently cheap 
location, but also in a location where there is, by default, a 
high concentration of D users.


Berlin fits that.
Facebook fits that.
Where's the other high concentration of D users?


Europe is fairly accessible for many people, if this year is 
anything
to go by.  I wouldn't mind going to another capital. Paris? 
Bucharest?

 If it must be the US, then I'd pick Boston. :-)


we can also welcome you guys in istanbul :)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d]

Dne 9.5.2016 v 19:45 jmh530 via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):


On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 15:12:25 UTC, krzaq wrote:


It's not just the distance, but also the overall personal cost of 
attending the conference. Berlin is, all things considered, a fairly 
cheap city. London is a big NO in this regard, can't speak about the 
other suggestions.



I don't know what Berlin's like, but I just visited London for a long 
weekend and it wasn't so bad compared to where I live (NYC). I used 
AirBnB and my room was like $90 a night.
But for people like me $90 per night is too much. I live in Czech 
Republic which is a really beautifull country in middle of europe (it is 
called heart of europe). And even in Prague which is capital city of 
Czech Republic I am able to get room per $10. And it is not only 
accomodation but other things are really cheap here. For example beer 
price is only about $1 (btw czech beer is the best beer on the word). 
Public transport in Prague for 3 days cost just only $15 and so on.


Even dconf in Berlin (just 400km from me) is expensive for me (one month 
salary including transport and accommodation).

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d]

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 17:45:24 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 15:12:25 UTC, krzaq wrote:


It's not just the distance, but also the overall personal cost 
of attending the conference. Berlin is, all things considered, 
a fairly cheap city. London is a big NO in this regard, can't 
speak about the other suggestions.



I don't know what Berlin's like, but I just visited London for 
a long weekend and it wasn't so bad compared to where I live 
(NYC). I used AirBnB and my room was like $90 a night.


I came to London from the conference and have found it fairly 
reasonable. Back to Seoul and Real Life tomorrow, unfortunately. 
I'd happily fly back here for the next conf if need be. I'd 
really love to see it in Japan, though.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d]

On 9 May 2016 at 17:32, wobbles via Digitalmars-d
 wrote:
> On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 15:12:25 UTC, krzaq wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 09:58:32 UTC, Mark Isaacson wrote:
>>>
>>> Full recognition that there was way less demand for another US DConf...
>>> so perhaps somewhere easier to fly to?
>>>
>>> Reykjavik?
>>> Dublin?
>>> Oslo?
>>> Stockholm?
>>> Barcelona?
>>> London?
>>>
>>> Those are pretty good hubs and have solid airfare from the US... and all
>>> over. London and Barcelona in particular have a truly impressive number of
>>> flights in and out. They're all also really wonderful places to go
>>> exploring. Not a huge fan of Berlin as a city... that said the venue was
>>> pretty nice (a larger screen would've been better) and the food was
>>> definitely a step up from Utah.
>>
>>
>> It's not just the distance, but also the overall personal cost of
>> attending the conference. Berlin is, all things considered, a fairly cheap
>> city. London is a big NO in this regard, can't speak about the other
>> suggestions.
>
>
> I also think it should not only be in a decently cheap location, but also in
> a location where there is, by default, a high concentration of D users.
>
> Berlin fits that.
> Facebook fits that.
> Where's the other high concentration of D users?

Europe is fairly accessible for many people, if this year is anything
to go by.  I wouldn't mind going to another capital. Paris? Bucharest?
 If it must be the US, then I'd pick Boston. :-)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 15:32:05 UTC, wobbles wrote:
I also think it should not only be in a decently cheap 
location, but also in a location where there is, by default, a 
high concentration of D users.


Berlin fits that.
Facebook fits that.
Where's the other high concentration of D users?


Lots of D user in Japan and Australia. Many scattered around the 
US.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[wobbles via Digitalmars-d]

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 15:12:25 UTC, krzaq wrote:

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 09:58:32 UTC, Mark Isaacson wrote:
Full recognition that there was way less demand for another US 
DConf... so perhaps somewhere easier to fly to?


Reykjavik?
Dublin?
Oslo?
Stockholm?
Barcelona?
London?

Those are pretty good hubs and have solid airfare from the 
US... and all over. London and Barcelona in particular have a 
truly impressive number of flights in and out. They're all 
also really wonderful places to go exploring. Not a huge fan 
of Berlin as a city... that said the venue was pretty nice (a 
larger screen would've been better) and the food was 
definitely a step up from Utah.


It's not just the distance, but also the overall personal cost 
of attending the conference. Berlin is, all things considered, 
a fairly cheap city. London is a big NO in this regard, can't 
speak about the other suggestions.


I also think it should not only be in a decently cheap location, 
but also in a location where there is, by default, a high 
concentration of D users.


Berlin fits that.
Facebook fits that.
Where's the other high concentration of D users?

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[krzaq via Digitalmars-d]

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 09:58:32 UTC, Mark Isaacson wrote:
Full recognition that there was way less demand for another US 
DConf... so perhaps somewhere easier to fly to?


Reykjavik?
Dublin?
Oslo?
Stockholm?
Barcelona?
London?

Those are pretty good hubs and have solid airfare from the 
US... and all over. London and Barcelona in particular have a 
truly impressive number of flights in and out. They're all also 
really wonderful places to go exploring. Not a huge fan of 
Berlin as a city... that said the venue was pretty nice (a 
larger screen would've been better) and the food was definitely 
a step up from Utah.


It's not just the distance, but also the overall personal cost of 
attending the conference. Berlin is, all things considered, a 
fairly cheap city. London is a big NO in this regard, can't speak 
about the other suggestions.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Mark Isaacson via Digitalmars-d]

Full recognition that there was way less demand for another US 
DConf... so perhaps somewhere easier to fly to?


Reykjavik?
Dublin?
Oslo?
Stockholm?
Barcelona?
London?

Those are pretty good hubs and have solid airfare from the US... 
and all over. London and Barcelona in particular have a truly 
impressive number of flights in and out. They're all also really 
wonderful places to go exploring. Not a huge fan of Berlin as a 
city... that said the venue was pretty nice (a larger screen 
would've been better) and the food was definitely a step up from 
Utah.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Sunday, 8 May 2016 at 12:50:01 UTC, wobbles wrote:



Another +1 for Dublin here too.

PyConIE is in the Radisson, which is very central and handy for 
everyone.
Theres many many other venues around the city too - including 
the RDS which has oceans of event space.


Also, tis a lovely city!


I can do some research about the conference centers. RDS is big, 
as wobbles said, then you have loads of other places that host 
conferences (including the three big universities DCU, TCD, UCD).


https://dublin.ie/working/conferences/

Maybe the Convention Centre is a bit OTT, but who knows. Anyway, 
Dublin has Google, Facebook and others. It wouldn't be too hard 
to get an IT crowd.


In the city center everything is within walking distance (no need 
to take buses or cabs if you go on sight seeing - cabs are quite 
cheap in Dublin). Hotels and B are not the cheapest but not 
ridiculously expensive either, and if you book early enough you 
should get a decent price. I know of a B close to the 
Convention Centre that charges €45 a night (including breakfast) 
which is perfectly acceptable given the location.


Since Ireland is small, you can go on day tours to other parts, 
like the west (e.g. Cliffs of Moher). By train, bus or car you're 
in Galway within 2-3 hours, which is the loveliest city in 
Ireland. So if you spend a few more days, you can see a good bit 
of the rest of the country too. Céad míle fáilte!


Jaysus, I sound like Fáilte Ireland :-))

http://www.discoverireland.ie/

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d]

On Sunday, May 08, 2016 21:56:16 Seb via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Sunday, 8 May 2016 at 19:39:11 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> > On 5/8/16 6:47 PM, Lionello Lunesu wrote:
> >> As for location: I attended CodeConf Hong Kong last November,
> >> hosted at
> >> Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. It was a great
> >> venue and
> >> they're very open to hosting similar events! Show Asia some
> >> love! I'll
> >> chase down the responsible people.
> >
> > Great idea, please do. Thanks! -- Andrei
>
> Observing this thread for a while it seems that everyone wants
> the future dconf close to  his/her home country/state which is
> pretty understandable.
>
> So I just throw a solution in here that could make more people
> happy - how about a Dconf US and a Dconf Europe? Seems like the D
> community is getting big enough.
> They could be six-month separated.

The main downside to this (aside from the additional effort and money
required) is that what you'll end up with is that many of the folks who
might otherwise go to both will then only end up going to one.  So, some of
the collaboritve aspects of the conference will suffer, because D devs who
would have otherwise had a yearly meetup then don't see each other. I also
don't know if it makes sense to talk about splitting dconf in two when we
don't necessarily have enough folks to have a multi-track conference. But I
expect that we'll eventually end up with multiple D conferences a year,
whether they're all "dconf" or not.

- Jonathan M Davis

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Seb via Digitalmars-d]

On Sunday, 8 May 2016 at 19:39:11 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

On 5/8/16 6:47 PM, Lionello Lunesu wrote:
As for location: I attended CodeConf Hong Kong last November, 
hosted at
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. It was a great 
venue and
they're very open to hosting similar events! Show Asia some 
love! I'll

chase down the responsible people.


Great idea, please do. Thanks! -- Andrei


Observing this thread for a while it seems that everyone wants 
the future dconf close to  his/her home country/state which is 
pretty understandable.


So I just throw a solution in here that could make more people 
happy - how about a Dconf US and a Dconf Europe? Seems like the D 
community is getting big enough.

They could be six-month separated.

Btw in general we should learn from the Js/Python community and 
encourage people to organize more D meet-ups, hackathons and 
small conferences ;-)

Maybe the upcoming D Foundation could help to push that?

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d]

On 5/8/16 6:47 PM, Lionello Lunesu wrote:

As for location: I attended CodeConf Hong Kong last November, hosted at
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. It was a great venue and
they're very open to hosting similar events! Show Asia some love! I'll
chase down the responsible people.


Great idea, please do. Thanks! -- Andrei

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


I like the idea of alternating between Europe and the US. I'd 
vote for somewhere on the east coast. Or Europe, since that's 
easier for me.


Atila

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Lionello Lunesu via Digitalmars-d]

On 6/5/2016 22:13, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those who
are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?

Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any
initial thoughts!


Thanks,

Andrei


I enjoyed watching remotely, some live, some from the archives. Live 
stream had some hickups, so when I started hampering I'd go do something 
else and rewatch the talk on the archive.


As for location: I attended CodeConf Hong Kong last November, hosted at 
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. It was a great venue and 
they're very open to hosting similar events! Show Asia some love! I'll 
chase down the responsible people.


L.

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Sunday, 8 May 2016 at 14:05:58 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:

  -∞
2    =    0


Don't try this at home kids, several mathematicians died during 
the making of that equation.

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d]

On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 20:45 +0300, Dmitry Olshansky via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On 07-May-2016 19:50, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:17 +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > […]
> > > 
> > > Besides, zero is just as arbitrary as thirty-two (which, btw, is
> > > a power of two*) and easy to remember if you use it anyway! I
> > […]
> > 
> > 0 is a power of two as well.
> 0 is not a power of two. Any power of non-negative number is > 0.

  -∞
2    =    0


-- 
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Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[wobbles via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 07:40:59 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 20:59 +, John Colvin via 
Digitalmars-d wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:57:59 UTC, Chris wrote:
> [...]

Dublin has cheap direct flights from quite a few places in the 
US, as well as pretty much everywhere in europe.


Obviously I will suggest London, but I guess it is a 
non-starter. The obvious venue would be Skills Matter's 
CodeNode, but the cost of accommodation in London is 
horrifying, and commuting is a non-starter. Well except for me.


There are venues such as Coventry, the Techno Park has a great 
venue for up to about 200 people and fairly cheap and very 
local accommodation. (PyConUK has been using this venue for the 
last few years very successfully, it has only moved to Cardiff 
for a change and because of the problem of outgrowing the 
venue.)


I have done the Gatwick → Dublin → (Gatwick | Birmingham) a few 
times,
but on expenses so used taxis from Dublin airport to either 
Pearse

Street or E Wall Road – the hotels shall remain nameless.

What venue would be used in Dublin? I guess we could ask the 
PyConIE

folk what they do, one of the hotels I think.


Another +1 for Dublin here too.

PyConIE is in the Radisson, which is very central and handy for 
everyone.
Theres many many other venues around the city too - including the 
RDS which has oceans of event space.


Also, tis a lovely city!

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d]

On 07.05.2016 23:49, deadalnix wrote:

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 16:50:10 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:

On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:17 +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d wrote:



[…]

Besides, zero is just as arbitrary as thirty-two (which, btw, is a
power of two*) and easy to remember if you use it anyway! I

[…]

0 is a power of two as well.



It is 2 power how many ?



void main(){
  assert(2^^32==0);
  assert(2^^-double.infinity==0);
  assert(2^^(new class{int opBinaryRight(string op)(int x){ return 0; 
}})==0);

}

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d]

On 5/7/16 6:15 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

When people complain about the D forums, they aren't complaining about
infrequent OT stuff.


Most related complaints I got at DConf were about off-topic posts. -- Andrei

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[dewitt via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


Pretty sure everyone will agree that the next logical location 
would be Phoenix.  Am I right?

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 19:11:50 UTC, Mathias Lang wrote:
In any case it should be accessible. As nice as the Salt Lake 
City location was, it was not easily accessible for everyone. 
When looking at the flight price (in November or December), it 
was twice as expensive to fly to SLL (from Berlin, using Air 
France) than to fly to LA / SF. So I'd favor New York over 
Boston for example.




Fly tips: Buy about 6 week in advance, this is when prices are 
the lowest. Buy outside of business hours.

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 16:50:10 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:17 +, Adam D. Ruppe via 
Digitalmars-d wrote:



[…]
Besides, zero is just as arbitrary as thirty-two (which, btw, 
is a power of two*) and easy to remember if you use it anyway! 
I

[…]

0 is a power of two as well.



It is 2 power how many ?

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 15:15:23 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 13:10:37 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
Please curb off-topic discussions and mark them with [OT], 
yadda yadda yadda. Thanks! -- Andrei


When people complain about the D forums, they aren't 
complaining about infrequent OT stuff. Random tangents about 
the weather naturally fizzle out after five or six posts and 
don't leave hard feelings.




You already made more than 5 or 6 OT post yourself.

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Mathias Lang via Digitalmars-d]

2016-05-07 17:15 GMT+02:00 Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com>:

> On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 13:10:37 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>
>> Please curb off-topic discussions and mark them with [OT], yadda yadda
>> yadda. Thanks! -- Andrei
>>
>
> When people complain about the D forums, they aren't complaining about
> infrequent OT stuff. Random tangents about the weather naturally fizzle out
> after five or six posts and don't leave hard feelings.
>
>
That's your POV. And in my POV, the forums are useless for working on D
because of the amount of digressions.
I'm not opposed to a section to discuss whatever off-topic subject is
trendy, but I wouldn't read it. When I  a thread about Fibers, lambda or
templates, I don't expect nor am looking for a comparison of metric /
imperial system, why esperanto failed to take off or the history or the
history of LISP in the 80's.

That being said, I would love the next DConf to be somewhere in Europe,
potentially Berlin (where I live).
I believe Europe is where most of the community is anyway. The question is
do we want the conference to be at a fixed location so planning is easier
and success is more predictable or do we want to favour diversity and move
it around ?

In any case it should be accessible. As nice as the Salt Lake City location
was, it was not easily accessible for everyone. When looking at the flight
price (in November or December), it was twice as expensive to fly to SLL
(from Berlin, using Air France) than to fly to LA / SF. So I'd favor New
York over Boston for example.

Also, people travelling far (and unsponsored) are likely to take the
occasion to spend a couple of days around. For the 2015 edition I flew in
the week-end before, and finding an hotel room was more challenging than
expected since it was memorial day.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Johan Engelen via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!


This was my first DConf, and it was great to meet people that I 
had only seen online (sometimes only by handle). On dconf.org I 
read: "DConf is the main face-to-face event for everyone and 
everything related to the D language and environment." So that 
kind of aligns with what I think its goal should be. Imvho, the 
goal is not to market D to people who don't know about D / are 
not (planning to be) involved already.
With that in mind, I think it'd be good to select a location 
based on where folks in the D community will be able/willing to 
travel to.


(for me personally, northern Europe is best. Japan I would try to 
join too ;-))

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Dmitry Olshansky via Digitalmars-d]

On 07-May-2016 19:50, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:

On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:17 +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
wrote:



[…]

Besides, zero is just as arbitrary as thirty-two (which, btw, is
a power of two*) and easy to remember if you use it anyway! I

[…]

0 is a power of two as well.


0 is not a power of two. Any power of non-negative number is > 0.




* I really think that's the main difference between American
units and the others - base two vs base ten. Base two is superior
in basically every way, but base ten is more newbie friendly for
doing irrelevant conversions.


They are not American units, they are Imperial units. Well except that
Americans give the same name to different values of the dimension.




--
Dmitry Olshansky

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d]

On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:17 +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> 
[…]
> Besides, zero is just as arbitrary as thirty-two (which, btw, is 
> a power of two*) and easy to remember if you use it anyway! I 
[…]

0 is a power of two as well.

> * I really think that's the main difference between American 
> units and the others - base two vs base ten. Base two is superior 
> in basically every way, but base ten is more newbie friendly for 
> doing irrelevant conversions.

They are not American units, they are Imperial units. Well except that
Americans give the same name to different values of the dimension.

-- 
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Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 15:15:23 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
Think how much more productive the forum would appear if people 
- including you and Walter! - actually talked about ongoing 
projects on it instead of primarily just proposals.


Oh, one more important point: I sometimes I want to randomly blog 
D changes here, but I don't feel it fits in, so I limit myself to 
pretty rare announcements (especially since my code is more of a 
living document than discrete releases).


If you guys posted little things ongoing, the length need be no 
more than a tweet, I'm sure others would too, and then we'd know 
of more projects and might even work together.

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 13:30:28 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
The zero is a point when water became an ice, so anything below 
zero means snow and anything above means rain :)


Except it doesn't quite work that way you can get snow when 
it is a above freezing if the humidity is low enough. In 
Fahrenheit, anything in the thirties is borderline, and twenties 
is snow territory.


In Celsius, the snow line is more like 3 degrees than zero.

Besides, zero is just as arbitrary as thirty-two (which, btw, is 
a power of two*) and easy to remember if you use it anyway! I 
know a lot of people who don't know that water boiling point is 
around 212 F at standard pressure (interestingly, and not 
entirely coincidentally, 180 degrees away from freezing) - but if 
they don't know it and never found a need to, doesn't that 
indicate that it isn't important information to know?



* I really think that's the main difference between American 
units and the others - base two vs base ten. Base two is superior 
in basically every way, but base ten is more newbie friendly for 
doing irrelevant conversions.

Re: [OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 13:10:37 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
Please curb off-topic discussions and mark them with [OT], 
yadda yadda yadda. Thanks! -- Andrei


When people complain about the D forums, they aren't complaining 
about infrequent OT stuff. Random tangents about the weather 
naturally fizzle out after five or six posts and don't leave hard 
feelings.


The bigger problem we have is that things get discussed without a 
plan of action that actually gets followed through on. How can we 
forget the `virtual` debacle? That's the real spam on the forum: 
a long thread where things are discussed, people believe a 
decision is reached, code gets implemented then all 
mysteriously dropped.


On the other hand, new things pop up from apparently nowhere. We 
have these roadmap documents twice a year but they don't seem to 
be very meaningful.


What I think would help on the forum is if actual work is 
discussed in real time, something like the main contributors to 
check in every other day and tell us what they're working on and 
what they're working toward. No need to discuss it at length, 
that'd get counter-productive, but just take a few minutes for 
you and Walter and others to say "I'm working on big-O right now 
which will help with containers, and plan to continue that 
throughout the week." or "I decided to shift gears and play with 
64 bit exception handling because it will help C++ interop."


Like the agile stand up meeting idea, though even less formal. 
Just so the community has *frequent* updates on the short-term 
direction to complement the longer term direction laid out in the 
2016 H1/H2 documents.


Not so anyone gets to input on it, but just so we feel inspired. 
My review of merged pull requests at the end of the week sort of 
gets there, but it is hard for me to get past the surface, I can 
only see a summary after-the-fact with little indication of why 
or how it fits into your development plans.


Think how much more productive the forum would appear if people - 
including you and Walter! - actually talked about ongoing 
projects on it instead of primarily just proposals.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d]

On 05/06/2016 10:13 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those who
are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?



The livestream videos requiring flash was a bit of an issue.


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any
initial thoughts!



Cleveland!

[OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 01:19:43 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:
Yes, my wife went for an interview there out of college :) The 
snow banks were like 6 feet high!


hehe, yeah, we had some beast winters recently too. This last one 
was pretty mild in comparison, but the one before was one of the 
coldest on record - I don't think it got above freezing once in 
the entire month of February, and the snow really piled up. The 
year previous had a moderate ice storm followed by record 
snowfalls (and significant cold, though it did thaw a couple 
times, thankfully).


The snow banks indeed got very tall, typical corner was like five 
feet, and where driveway plows shoved it, some were like eight 
feet up. (Popular intersections aren't as bad since the city will 
send trucks to dump it in the river, but that's just not feasible 
to do everywhere.)


And this is why I prefer riding my bike. People call me nuts for 
this, but my eyes sit higher on the bike than almost any motor 
vehicle, so I can see over more, are like 18 inches off the front 
wheel instead of several feet like in a car, so I don't have to 
creep out so far to see around things, and my ears still work, no 
engine noise to jam them up.


As a result, on the bike, I'm far more aware of surroundings than 
in the car; those advantages more than make up for the lack of 
mirrors. Moreover, the bike is a lot easier to stop than a car, 
there's a lot of advantages.


It is just cold.


P.S. if it were to be a serious consideration, I'm all for it!


Well, we couldn't literally use my house, it isn't that big, but 
I do know people with larger spaces and there are business class 
hotels up here... and the little Watertown airport is pretty nice 
to use (it only offers service to Philadelphia, but from there 
you can change planes to get wherever).


We also have easy access to Canada!

But it'd prolly be completely unaffordable for the Europeans 
anyway :(

[OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d]

Dne 7.5.2016 v 14:54 Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):


On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 07:29:28 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
Oh, of course, you are in the USA and are still using weird 
temperature scales, unlike the rest of the world. ;-)


I really don't understand the appeal of the Celsius scale. Zero 
degrees Celsius is like "put on a light sweater". That's not what zero 
should mean! Zero degrees Fahrenheit, on the other hand, means your 
nose freezes shut instantly upon exposure. Now *that* is worthy of the 
number zero.


(Zero Kelvin is a hardcore zero, but it is just too rare in everyday 
life to be interesting.)



Celsius scale make much more sense to me :). The zero is a point when 
water became an ice, so anything below zero means snow and anything 
above means rain :)

[OT] Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d]

On 5/7/16 3:54 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 07:29:28 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:

Oh, of course, you are in the USA and are still using weird
temperature scales, unlike the rest of the world. ;-)


I really don't understand the appeal of the Celsius scale. Zero degrees
Celsius is like "put on a light sweater". That's not what zero should
mean! Zero degrees Fahrenheit, on the other hand, means your nose
freezes shut instantly upon exposure. Now *that* is worthy of the number
zero.

(Zero Kelvin is a hardcore zero, but it is just too rare in everyday
life to be interesting.)


Please curb off-topic discussions and mark them with [OT], yadda yadda 
yadda. Thanks! -- Andrei

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 07:29:28 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
Oh, of course, you are in the USA and are still using weird 
temperature scales, unlike the rest of the world. ;-)


I really don't understand the appeal of the Celsius scale. Zero 
degrees Celsius is like "put on a light sweater". That's not what 
zero should mean! Zero degrees Fahrenheit, on the other hand, 
means your nose freezes shut instantly upon exposure. Now *that* 
is worthy of the number zero.


(Zero Kelvin is a hardcore zero, but it is just too rare in 
everyday life to be interesting.)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d]

On 5/7/16 2:47 PM, Arjan wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those
who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?

Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any
initial thoughts!


Thanks,

Andrei


I was not able to watch live much. But the parts I did were OK. Audio
was good enough, video I would have liked to be a bit better, but
do-able. A very good idea to have the slides available upfront!

I watched the most in the made available streams afterwards. Easy to
pick and select the topics of interest. IMO it is great to have the
content available right after/during the current day.

[snip]

Thanks very much! -- Andrei

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Arjan via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


I was not able to watch live much. But the parts I did were OK. 
Audio was good enough, video I would have liked to be a bit 
better, but do-able. A very good idea to have the slides 
available upfront!


I watched the most in the made available streams afterwards. Easy 
to pick and select the topics of interest. IMO it is great to 
have the content available right after/during the current day.


The atmosphere was even noticeable in the video stream, for me at 
least. To me it seems like a really great and inspirational 
conference!


Location, personally doesn't matter much to me since I'm most 
probably not able to attend anyway. But maybe Japan/Korea?


Topics and niveau, you did not ask but will give my opinion 
anyway, the diversity is good, the level of the talks I saw were 
for people not to intemit with the language and its eco system 
possibly a bit to high / abstract. I don't know whether or not 
there is a specific group targeted by dconf but when one of its 
(main) purposes is to attract new people from other language- eco 
systems, then IMO there should be given a bit more thought on the 
content topics and niveau.

When this is not the purpose then its all fine.

About attracting people to D, my experience is that beside the 
language zealots which will never change to different language 
eco system, most developers do not look around and select the 
best tools for the job at hand, they just look back into to their 
experience-toolbox and start solving the problem using the tools 
and technologies their familiar with, even though better tools 
are readily available. IMO D offers for a lot, a near perfect fit 
for a lot of problems, but fails in 'marketing' department. Most 
professionals I met never heard of D or never tried it (to much 
hassle). When they try it out it is not only the first 5 minutes, 
but the first project that matters. Most of them never finish 
that project in D

Feedback I get:
- integration in tooling not good enough (VisualD is of help, but 
seems to fail)

- debugging problems(!!!)
- documentation for beginners not easy to find or follow.
- just to much of a hassle

I hope we can improve on this.

Arjan

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?



There were some small issues. First there was no link to 
livestream on official dconf or dlang page (So it took some time 
to find this link on twitter). Another problem is with 
presentations. Because of video poor quality it was hard to see 
what is on slides. So it would be very helpful if there will be 
slides available for each of presentation before it starts.



Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei


I would prefer europe. Brno or Prague would be awesome.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

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On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 20:59 +, John Colvin via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:57:59 UTC, Chris wrote:
> > On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:53:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > > [...]
> > 
> > Facebook have their European headquarters in Dublin. Maybe 
> > they'd be willing to sponsor DConf2017 (there are loads of 
> > other tech companies in Dublin). Flights from the U.S. to 
> > Ireland and back are very frequent.
> 
> Dublin has cheap direct flights from quite a few places in the 
> US, as well as pretty much everywhere in europe.

Obviously I will suggest London, but I guess it is a non-starter. The
obvious venue would be Skills Matter's CodeNode, but the cost of
accommodation in London is horrifying, and commuting is a non-starter.
Well except for me.

There are venues such as Coventry, the Techno Park has a great venue
for up to about 200 people and fairly cheap and very local
accommodation. (PyConUK has been using this venue for the last few
years very successfully, it has only moved to Cardiff for a change and
because of the problem of outgrowing the venue.)  

I have done the Gatwick → Dublin → (Gatwick | Birmingham) a few times,
but on expenses so used taxis from Dublin airport to either Pearse
Street or E Wall Road – the hotels shall remain nameless.

What venue would be used in Dublin? I guess we could ask the PyConIE
folk what they do, one of the hotels I think.
 
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Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

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On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 01:04 +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[…]
> 
> Oh, come on! It was actually pretty nice this week, we are in the 
> 60's right now. Finally, April was kinda miserable.

But people die when it gets over 50.

Oh, of course, you are in the USA and are still using weird temperature
scales, unlike the rest of the world. ;-)








PS Yes I do know UK still uses miles for road distances. Jokes can be
made about that as well.

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Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Meta via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 15:16:00 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please 
share any initial thoughts!




I think American east cost is a natural next location. 
Something like New York/Washington/Boston/Montréal .


Is Montreal considered an east coast city now? ;^)

Jokes aside, Boston would be my vote. By far my favourite 
American east coast city.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d]

On 5/7/16 3:04 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 00:51:39 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

I've been to Watertown.


Amazing!


Yes, my wife went for an interview there out of college :) The snow 
banks were like 6 feet high!


Of course, I'm pretty sure this was in the dead of winter, maybe February?




I'm pretty sure there will still be snow there in May...


Oh, come on! It was actually pretty nice this week, we are in the 60's
right now. Finally, April was kinda miserable.



;) I was joking of course, but I was still flabbergasted by the amount 
of snow that was there. Driving is interesting when you can't see around 
corners...


-Steve

P.S. if it were to be a serious consideration, I'm all for it!

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Saturday, 7 May 2016 at 00:51:39 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:

I've been to Watertown.


Amazing!


I'm pretty sure there will still be snow there in May...


Oh, come on! It was actually pretty nice this week, we are in the 
60's right now. Finally, April was kinda miserable.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d]

On 5/7/16 2:46 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 15:16:00 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

I think American east cost is a natural next location. Something like
New York/Washington/Boston/Montréal .


We could host it at my house in northern NY!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watertown_(city),_New_York


I've been to Watertown. I'm pretty sure there will still be snow there 
in May...


-Steve

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 15:16:00 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
I think American east cost is a natural next location. 
Something like New York/Washington/Boston/Montréal .


We could host it at my house in northern NY!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watertown_(city),_New_York

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Nick B via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


I also viewed from New Zealand, but I thought it was hard to view 
the images, and to see the persons face when they are talking. 
Sometimes the images were of the speaker standing on the stage at 
a distance.  Too much of the stream was black around the side of 
the speaker.  The best way to stream/record such a event of 
someone talking to slides, is a split image approach. Part of the 
image is a close up of the speaker, with good audio, and the rest 
of the image is on the presentation.  Later when its a Q this 
can change, so you can see the interaction with the audience.


Nick

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Dicebot via Digitalmars-d]

On 05/06/2016 04:13 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those who
> are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?
> 
> Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any
> initial thoughts!

For me it is quite simple - I will certainly visit it if it is in any
place within Europe and will most likely skip one outside :)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adrian Matoga via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 20:59:29 UTC, John Colvin wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:57:59 UTC, Chris wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:53:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

[...]


Facebook have their European headquarters in Dublin. Maybe 
they'd be willing to sponsor DConf2017 (there are loads of 
other tech companies in Dublin). Flights from the U.S. to 
Ireland and back are very frequent.


Dublin has cheap direct flights from quite a few places in the 
US, as well as pretty much everywhere in europe.


Yup, +1 for Dublin.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[John Colvin via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:57:59 UTC, Chris wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:53:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

[...]


Facebook have their European headquarters in Dublin. Maybe 
they'd be willing to sponsor DConf2017 (there are loads of 
other tech companies in Dublin). Flights from the U.S. to 
Ireland and back are very frequent.


Dublin has cheap direct flights from quite a few places in the 
US, as well as pretty much everywhere in europe.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Dmitry via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


Without subtites I understand maybe 30% maximum, but I watched 
all. It was interesting.


Stream resolution was very low (maximum 400). I very hope that 
later will be available HQ records and very hope for subtitles 
(or just text versions. If no, then... So, I will make more 
effort to learn English faster).


Huge thanks for all, who made DConf2016.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[jmh530 via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 15:26:44 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:


My thoughts are, you want to do it in a place where a lot of D 
people live. I believe the reason why the Berlin conference is 
so popular is because so many people live in or around the 
area. It makes logical sense to choose again Berlin, and 
possibly west coast US. I have no idea who lives on the east 
coast, so it's hard to say if this is a good location.



I'm on the east coast, but relying on some data might be more 
informative, like compiler downloads by region or something.


As to enjoying DConf, I haven't watched any of the videos, but I 
looked at some of the slides. They don't seem to be in one place. 
The easiest way to find them has been from Andrei's reddit posts. 
A good goal for future conferences would be to have them all on 
the website before it starts.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 15:26:44 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

On 5/6/16 5:16 PM, deadalnix wrote:
On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please 
share any

initial thoughts!



I think American east cost is a natural next location. 
Something like

New York/Washington/Boston/Montréal .



This works for me, as I live there :)

My thoughts are, you want to do it in a place where a lot of D 
people live. I believe the reason why the Berlin conference is 
so popular is because so many people live in or around the 
area. It makes logical sense to choose again Berlin, and 
possibly west coast US. I have no idea who lives on the east 
coast, so it's hard to say if this is a good location.


-Steve


Russia? There seem to be a lot of people in Russia that are 
interested in D.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d]

On 5/6/16 5:16 PM, deadalnix wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any
initial thoughts!



I think American east cost is a natural next location. Something like
New York/Washington/Boston/Montréal .



This works for me, as I live there :)

My thoughts are, you want to do it in a place where a lot of D people 
live. I believe the reason why the Berlin conference is so popular is 
because so many people live in or around the area. It makes logical 
sense to choose again Berlin, and possibly west coast US. I have no idea 
who lives on the east coast, so it's hard to say if this is a good location.


-Steve

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!




I think American east cost is a natural next location. Something 
like New York/Washington/Boston/Montréal .

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[krzaq via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 15:09:39 UTC, sarn wrote:

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:53:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Other places would certainly be interesting (e.g. Japan or 
Australia), and we definitely have devs in such places, but I 
don't know if we have enough likely attendees in such areas to 
make them make sense, since picking somewhere where most 
attendees would have to travel a long way to get there doesn't 
really make sense.
Also (at least for Australia) I don't think we have enough of 
us to organise a conf.


Anywhere in Europe is fine for me, but I'd love Berlin again.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[sarn via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:53:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Other places would certainly be interesting (e.g. Japan or 
Australia), and we definitely have devs in such places, but I 
don't know if we have enough likely attendees in such areas to 
make them make sense, since picking somewhere where most 
attendees would have to travel a long way to get there doesn't 
really make sense.
Also (at least for Australia) I don't think we have enough of us 
to organise a conf.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:53:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

On Fri, 6 May 2016 16:13:35 +0200
Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d 


wrote:
Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please 
share any initial thoughts!


My initial thought is that we should consider trying to 
alternate between the US and Europe, since obviously it's 
harder for those in Europe to attend if it's in the US, and 
it's harder for those in the US to attend if it's in Europe. 
Other places would certainly be interesting (e.g. Japan or 
Australia), and we definitely have devs in such places, but I 
don't know if we have enough likely attendees in such areas to 
make them make sense, since picking somewhere where most 
attendees would have to travel a long way to get there doesn't 
really make sense.


Regardless, part of the question is where we can actually get 
the appropriate sponsorship to have a good location and how the 
location affects who would organize it.


- Jonathan M Davis


Facebook have their European headquarters in Dublin. Maybe they'd 
be willing to sponsor DConf2017 (there are loads of other tech 
companies in Dublin). Flights from the U.S. to Ireland and back 
are very frequent.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d]

On Fri, 6 May 2016 16:13:35 +0200
Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d 
wrote:
> Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any
> initial thoughts!

My initial thought is that we should consider trying to alternate between
the US and Europe, since obviously it's harder for those in Europe to attend
if it's in the US, and it's harder for those in the US to attend if it's in
Europe. Other places would certainly be interesting (e.g. Japan or
Australia), and we definitely have devs in such places, but I don't know if
we have enough likely attendees in such areas to make them make sense, since
picking somewhere where most attendees would have to travel a long way to
get there doesn't really make sense.

Regardless, part of the question is where we can actually get the
appropriate sponsorship to have a good location and how the location affects
who would organize it.

- Jonathan M Davis

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:35:21 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:


Personally I don't care about most of talks. Would be nice for 
when we grow to do some in parallel.


Regarding the video feed, ignoring the technical problems I 
wasn't keen on how it was done. Even with my limited knowledge 
in this area, rules such as the rule of third wasn't followed. 
Lots of fast changes and not gradual.

Didn't help matters that some speakers kept moving around a lot.

With regards to location, New Zealand of course! But in all 
seriousness, some place with high density to make e.g. drop in 
sessions worth it.


I'd be naturally inclined to suggest somewhere in Europe [1]. 
Could it be that D has more supporters in Europe than in the US, 
at least in terms of using it professionally not just as a hobby? 
I wonder.



[1] with a beach and sunshine :-)

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d]

On 07/05/2016 2:13 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those who
are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?

Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any
initial thoughts!


Thanks,

Andrei


Personally I don't care about most of talks. Would be nice for when we 
grow to do some in parallel.


Regarding the video feed, ignoring the technical problems I wasn't keen 
on how it was done. Even with my limited knowledge in this area, rules 
such as the rule of third wasn't followed. Lots of fast changes and not 
gradual.

Didn't help matters that some speakers kept moving around a lot.

With regards to location, New Zealand of course! But in all seriousness, 
some place with high density to make e.g. drop in sessions worth it.

Re: How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for 
those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What 
can we do better?


It was meh on day one, but Sociomantic got it sorted out for 
yesterday and it works pretty well now.


I wish there was a better interface to view (I had mpv working 
earlier but now when I run the command again it refuses to pick 
up live so ugh) but it isn't bad the way it is now.


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share 
any initial thoughts!


UVU was like perfect for me.

How are you enjoying DConf? And where to go next?

[Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d]

The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those who 
are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?


Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any 
initial thoughts!



Thanks,

Andrei