[digitalradio] CMSK
trying to get going on the new CMSK program. so far have installed it on win7/64 and xp/32. out of the box, the cwid does not play inputed call. anyone else see this ? care for a sked on 160-30 ? drop me a line. david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
[digitalradio] virus warning
i run two machines xp/win7. both have installed the microsoft security essentials. of late, i am getting a pop up warning about a trojan:win32/jpgiframe.a on digisites loading and when it refreshes.G0HWC,s web page with all the thumbs from various sstv ops does the same. the security program can eliminate the trojan, which is good, but a false positive all the time is a bummer. anyone to comment. david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
[digitalradio] using ROS in the USA
I have learned much by following the ROS/USA Cluster F. I see there is a plausible out for those of us wishing to use the software. It appears that all the sub-modes in the ROS software are not SS. I am not that good an engineer to decide for myself so here am asking all, which of the sub modes are OK ? david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
[digitalradio] KG-STV & SSTVPICS
a tip from Richard for the KG-STV program. you can use SSTVPICS to place pics into KG-STV program as follows. with both programs open, click on the thumbnail as usual. then click on "from clipboard" and you picture is ready to go. sure beats cpy/paste from a directory ! david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
[digitalradio] Automatic sub band frequencies
Andy, If you are looking at frequencies for your Winmor operation in the auto control subbands I can suggest some frequencies to avoid since they are the primary NTS Digital operating frequencies..with Pactor 1, 2, and 3. NTS Digital for the most part only operates in the auto control subbands and we are using Winlink Classic which does have a busy detector. 3591.9 3593.97100.4 7102.4 10140.9 and 10142.9 14095.9 14097.9 and 14112.4 Good luck . 73 Dave WB2FTX Eastern Area Digital Coordinator- National Traffic System Digital
[digitalradio] WD4KPD CONTEST INFO
will be operating the contest as often as i can both sat/sun. 2m wsjt/fsk 144.140 U/D psk31/fec & olivia/8-500(multipsk),jt65b(wsjt) 144.140 +/- 15kc 6m wsjt/fsk144 & jt6m 50.260 U/D olivia/8-500,psk31/fec(multipsk),jt65b(wsjt) 50.290 +/- 15kc hope i covered all bases. no contest here, if you wish a simple qsocatch me on PJ. C U SOON. david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
[digitalradio] Re: SSTV AMPLIFIER
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obie47165" wrote: > > Any suggestions for a amp vhf for SSTV > I inquired with MFJ...and they said NO, for sstv on their line of amps. > > Any help appreciated... > > POB/K8LEN > If you're operating SSTV via FM, any 2m amp will do the job. If you're operating via USB (like on HF), any LINEAR amp will do. Dave G4CLI
[digitalradio] KG-STV README TRANSLATION
THIS IS THE BEST GOOGLE CAN DO. LETS SEE WHAT WE CAN DOC U ON 7173. DAVID/WD4KPD Insert HTML tags _ «Previous Next» Digital Image TRX software KG-STV ver.1.0.0 readme -- KG-STV the time to download and use, thank you. This KG-STV is a digital image using a software radio transceiver. Since this software to decode digital signal processing, external There is no need to connect the decoder to spin the radio and PC sound input and output Marker microphone jack, and can send and receive PTT RS232C control is connected to. KG-STV will process each image block in order to send you additional information about individual Overall picture is just black but only part missing in the middle of this data is received And is available.Images from the middle to play the middle of the signal it receives and Possible. About a block is not received, retransmission request (BSR) to make up for it You can. 320x240pixcel image around 2 minutes (depending on compression settings, image) can be transmitted by Eh The FSK modem is a type of MSK (Minimum Shift Keying) or by using 4LFSK, PSK and OFDM in to use the full power of the amplifier compared to the final stage of the modulated radio system Come, we hope to extend the transmission distance. Install Uninstall ○ Extract the compressed file will install the downloaded file after extracting You only need to copy the folder to anywhere and just. Thawing process, Windows unzip program if contains the standard file compression Double-click to open Le files to another folder in the folder that appears By extracting the copy is complete.When extracting the folders listed on archive Temporary condition, so that only displays the contents of the file, copy it to another folder must Please complete the decompression. Right-click the compressed file also on the menu "Extract All" item of If so, you can click it to unpack it. If there is no standard unzip program to unzip the line extraction software separately And.The extraction software may not be able to decompress is well.Recommendation Lhaplus1.56 is that the decompression software. Please change the name from the initial state of the folder structure and still.The startup You can become unavailable and some of the functionality and Kinakatsu. We do not use the uninstall any registry, folders, Please delete as it is. ○ equipment needed to receive To receive the following equipment is required. 1.SSB or FM radio which is equipped with mode 2.Consistent with the antenna off the radio antenna 3.Specifications which meet the following computer 4.PC software used for data communications cable general cable radio ○ Radio KG-STV SSB and FM are the possible transmission of image data in.Other Mode (AM) may become unstable in the transmission. May deteriorate receiver performance characteristics and transmitted by radio.In that case KG-STV degree of degradation is observed in the eye pattern. ○ antenna The antenna is required adjustments can be sent. ○ PC KG-STV to work the computer must have at least the following specifications. OS: WindowsVista / XP CPU: Celeron 1GHz or more Memory: 1GByte more Display: 1024x768pxcel more Sound: 48kHz 16bit support ○ PC connection cable, radio Connect the radio speaker microphone jack and the computer not only receives Just OK, but if you do this and also send out another line of PCs Attenuator with cable and connect the power and radio microphone, PTT control path for The RS232C PCs and radios PTT circuit is required to connect the terminal. These are the same wiring and communications software and a PC with a general picture It is possible to reuse these cables. The KG-STV signal using the VOX PTT can also be controlled. ○ KG-STV setup KG-STV install, complete with wireless connectivity can be used for KG-STV Set and adjust. The sound input and output device selection first.To do this the KG-STV Set the selection screen, click Open, Input Device and Output Device Sets Eh RS232C RS232C Port at the same time where we can set the port. After the configuration settings to reflect the OK button. Adjust the modulation level to actually send the waves When you're done. Actually send the following steps both sending sound signals to monitor different receiver Enough to distort the attenuator and cable slide KG-STV, the case Adjust the Windows volume. Speaker outputs the input signal received on a PC as well, enough to distort the sound Cable or radio volume attenuator, possibly adjust the volume of Windows The adjustment. How to operate ○ KG-STV - Receive Just listen for incoming signals troublesome adjustment is not necessary, other You can receive a large gap that the local station and the station frequency.In this case, Aipa Turn to see if there is a lower frequency signal on when and under-frequency Up the number (or reverse oper
[digitalradio] Problems to compile pciscc under kernel 2.6.31. [1 Attachment]
Hello all and tks for my first post on digitalradio. Name is David, calls are CT1DRB/OK8RB/CU3HQ/T6AG, now near Lisbon. I hace a pciscc-card and I remenber somes years ago, about 3 years, I was working with it, tks to a dutch ham, however I do not remenber his name and call. Now that I have a VHF/UHF/1200MHZ vertical antenna in my balcony I want to back to packet-radio, just for fun, nothing else. So I tried to compile pciscc under kernel 2.6.31 but things did not go well, I get this: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_channel_open’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:895: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:904: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:908: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:926: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:929: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:933: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_isr_receiver’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1574: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1617: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_bh_txclean’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1689: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_dev_close’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1833: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_dev_open’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1849: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_get_stats’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1885: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1886: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_dev_init’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1895: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1897: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘hard_start_xmit’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1898: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘open’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1899: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘stop’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1900: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘get_stats’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1901: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘change_mtu’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1902: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘do_ioctl’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1903: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘set_mac_address’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1904: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘hard_header’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1905: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘rebuild_header’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1911: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘tx_timeout’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_dev_ioctl’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:1949: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_xmit’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:2096: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:2138: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c: In function ‘pciscc_init_one’: drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:2323: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘priv’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:2324: error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘init’ drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.c:2338: error: implicit declaration of function ‘SET_MODULE_OWNER’ make[3]: *** [drivers/net/hamradio/pciscc4.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [drivers/net/hamradio] Error 2 make[1]: *** [drivers/net] Error 2 make: *** [drivers] Error 2 I add pciscc files that I used to compile. Best 73 to all. CT1DRB David Quental
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Opposing 60M proposal
You further reinforce my position; the amateur radio service is not going to support long haul emcomm infrastructure. It doesn't matter what color you paint it. If the amout of wasted envy spent on lamenting P3 was devoted to promoting the Amateur Radio Service; then it may have a chance of surviving a few more decades. The others who take a serious look at your stance, and the credibility the ARS stands to lose have a good idea about who is destroying the villiage. Of course I have heard the same complaints about WINMOR; I live on planet Earth. By the same token, if we had to resort to smoke signals, the same group would be protesting unattended operation of fire. To me, the discussion is a passing amusement. I don't anticipate the need to generally waste time or effort trying to use Amateur Radio Service spectrum for any useful long haul communications in an emergency; except voice when I may need a larger audience in an affected area. The SATERN nets in the first week of the Haiti response brought out the jammers. They had the same hatred for sustained net operations as the anti P3 crowd have for effective emcomm infrastructure. The end result is the same; ineffective interference... Long Haul Emcomm has migrated to NTIA spectrum. I am reaping a great crop of effective communications there. How well did your crop come in?? Cheers, David KD4NUE --- On Mon, 5/10/10, aa6yq wrote: From: aa6yq Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Opposing 60M proposal To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:24 PM >>>AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, "David Little" wrote: This would be a good plan to insure that the Amateur Radio Service is treated as hobby-only communications. >>>"We had to destroy the village in order to save it" >snip< I run a 24/7 RMS WINMOR server. >snip< If things were different, I would put up a second station 24/7 within the Amateur Radio Service spectrum. It simply isn't worth listening to the whining. >>>I've heard no complaints about QRM from WinMor stations. Have you? Also, the potential for being effective in an emergency is too heavily weighted toward Federal spectrum for the same reasons that the Winlink/P3 whining never ceases when it concerns Amateur spectrum. >>>Complaints about QRM from WinLink PMBOs will cease when WinLink PMBOs stop >>>QRMing ongoing QSOs. >>>The only WinLink whining I hear is from those offering lame excuses for why >>>the same busy frequency detection mechanism deployed years ago in SCAMP and >>>now deployed in WinMor hasn't long been incorporated into WinLink PMBOs. You reap what you sow >>>Exactly. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
RE: [digitalradio] Opposing 60M proposal
This would be a good plan to insure that the Amateur Radio Service is treated as hobby-only communications. However, to be able to send traffic that is formatted in usable format for the players in an emergency, it takes a bit more than FEC, or throttled back ARQ. There are none of these problems or restrictions on NTIA spectrum, and it is another reason that the ARRL probably feels in peril as far as defending long-haul spectrum for the Amateur Radio Service. I run a 24/7 RMS WINMOR server. I run it on NTIA spectrum. I have had a P# controller in the past, and will probably invest in another one in the future. I wouldn't even consider running a RMS station within the Amateur spectrum; it is not worth the effort or wear and tear on the equipment involved to devote an emcomm asset where it has the least chance of doing anything useful. If things were different, I would put up a second station 24/7 within the Amateur Radio Service spectrum. It simply isn't worth listening to the whining. Also, the potential for being effective in an emergency is too heavily weighted toward Federal spectrum for the same reasons that the Winlink/P3 whining never ceases when it concerns Amateur spectrum. You reap what you sow As far as the bandwidth argument, remember, it is hard to consume like a humming bird and output like an elephant. The ARRL is certainly considering the trend that started in the early 90s when the FCC was defunded, and spectrum auction "refarming" was created. It is now part of a self-fulfilling prophecy, and will play a large part in the continuation of amateur radio service having use of the spectrum it currently enjoys.. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KH6TY Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:22 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Opposing 60M proposal Why not just limit bandwidth of any emission to 500 Hz? 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: FYI, I plan to file a comment opposing the PIII on 60M proposal. My objections are PIII is a proprietary mode . PIII as used in non-busy detect Winkink system has been the leading cause of QRM complaints for the past 10 years, hence they are likely to cause the same for the primary services that have 60M allocations. Recent tests of NBEMS with FLICS and WRAP have proven as effective as PIII and take up less spectrum (and are not proprietary) Winmor 500 offers most of the Winlink capabilities without the problems associated with wide PIII and is freely available to all hams. I will probably suggest that they authorize PS31, MFSK16 and Winmor 500 if they are going to get mode specific. Andy K3UK On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Dave Wright mailto:hfradio...@gmail.com> com> wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Chris Jewell wrote: Rick Ellison writes: "recommending that instead of authorizing only PSK-31 and Pactor-III, that the FCC instead permit all publicly-documented data modes " So, has Pactor III every been publicly-documented??? Dave K3DCW Real radio bounces off the sky --
RE: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support...
In a channelized setting, PIII will not exceed allowed bandwidth. But, to answer your question about why the ARRL pushes PIII; relevance in emergency communications for current sustainability of allotted spectrum. When there is a race for control of long-haul spectrum (for which there is a renewed interest among military, agency and NGOs), it is nice to have a dog in the hunt. But, the move to give more legitimacy to Pactor III (PIII) in the ham bands will fail, as ultimately the Amateur Radio Service's claim to all of the spectrum they currently enjoy. The Queen is dead; long live the Queen David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Ellison Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:36 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support... http://hraunfoss. <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-76A1.pdf> fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-76A1.pdf This just makes no sense to me why you would push Pactor III on a channelized frequency setting.. 73 Rick N2AMG www.n2amg.com
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission "protection"
John, I don't know if your comments are directed to me or are in response to my comments on NTS Digital, but NTSD has nothing to do with hams at sea. If you want more information about NTS Digital operations and practices please check this web site. http://home.earthlink.net/~bscottmd/n_t_s_d.htm NTSD is a very very small portion of the automatic systems compared to Winlink 2000 and ALE,,,Again we are still using Winlink Classic, the version developed before Winlink 2000 and Classic does have a busy detector... NTS messages are and have been part of amateur radio for decades and continue in the tradition established early in the 20th century. Dave WB2FTX Eastern Area Digital Coordinator NTSD - Original Message - From: "John Becker, WØJAB" To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission "protection" Dave right now I dont have the time to plug the holes in your comments. But the bottom line is that they are ham's at see. Would there be a problem if they only used SSB and not data mode? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission "protection"
- Original Message - From: kc4cop To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 2:08 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission "protection" Your comments about "Grandma's birthday" indicates that you understand very little concerning traffic handling which has been a part of amateur radio from the very begining and is where the "Relay" in "American Radio Relay League" comes from.. The pupose of the yes maybe boring everyday messages is to keep a cadre of trained message handlers for those times when ham radio is called upon to provide communications during disasters and other emergenices when other modes of communication are down or otherwise unavailable, including the World Wide Web. The National Traffic System exists and has operated for many decades in this fashion. A natural extension of this is NTS Digital which indeed does operate automatic message handling systems primarily using Pactor and operates concurrently with the traditional manual NTS at all levels. However NTS Digital for the most part still uses what has become to be called Winlink Classic where almost all of the forwarding is done via RF. Yes we do scan, but Winlink Classic also has a busy frequency detector built into its scanner function. While not perfect it does result in inhibiting many connections when the frequency is busy. Personally I have seen it work upon detecting CW, RTTY, Pactor 1, PSK31 and some other digital modes and even just plain carrier. NTS Digital operates almost exclusively in the very small existing automatical control subbands. Indeed during RTTY contests when many of the activity moves into these autocontrol subbands our traffic handling ability is severely affected due to the busy detectors in the software. How big is this operation?... For March 2010 the NTS Digital system in Eastern Area which comprises most of the East Coast and the 1, 2, 3, 4, and 8 callsign areas and Eastern Canada handled over 6000 messages via the digital systems. Similar traffic levels are also posted by the other two areas, Central and Pacific covering the rest of the US and Canada Dave WB2FTX Easten Area Digital Coordinator- NTS Digital ARRL --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien wrote: A quick fix for this entire mess is to suggest to those running automated traffic stations to use the World Wide Web. The web is faster, less likely to be affected by atmospheric changes, and remove a thorn in the side of many ham radio operators. I have only intercepted messages being relayed by an automated traffic handling station a few times. The traffic was dull and trivial. It was hardly worth the mayhem now being caused by their operation. Some may disagree with me on the point of traffic being trivial. I just cannot find "happy birthday grandma" to be very important. Grandma would get her birthday which is much quicker through the Web. Dick Zseltvay,KC4COP Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (12) Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4 Visit Your Group http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and "spots" all in one (resize to suit) MARKETPLACE Do More for Dogs Group. Connect with other dog owners who do more. -- Welcome to Mom Connection! Share stories, news and more with moms like you. -- Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2799 - Release Date: 04/08/10 14:32:00
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addendum to my last have tried yet another dongle, and it acts the same as the other two...all work in multipsk with rts keying in xp and win7. will not work with easypal. still seeking suggestions david/wd4kpd God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable On 4/3/2010 1:42 PM, digs...@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. keying rig via commport > From: David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD > > > Message > > 1. keying rig via commport > Posted by: "David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD" wd4...@suddenlink.net wd4kpd > Date: Fri Apr 2, 2010 1:27 pm ((PDT)) > > greetings etc > > little problem. have an older buxcomm comport/audio isolator > dongle. it is wired for rts high to key rig, and have verified this > with multipsk software and works fb on two different computers > one xp other win7. > > when i try to use it with easypal, it will not key, it instead > stays keyed/rts high. i have tried all possible combination's > of the rts/dts setup, and it even stays high using the cat command > option on either computer. > > any ideas > > david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
RE: [digitalradio] keying rig via commport
David, The Rascal will work with EasyPal. You may be best served to do a reboot of the computer after each combo is tried. Try this on a fresh reboot: TX: RTS ON DTR OFF RX: RTS DTR (OFF Always). Different software may look for voltages on different pins on the serial port, so one size doesn't fit all. I have since switched to a SignaLink USB, but I believe those settings in my Easy Pal haven't been updated since I was using the Rascal. BTW, I am using XP. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 4:27 PM To: DIGITALRADIO; dsstv Subject: [digitalradio] keying rig via commport greetings etc little problem. have an older buxcomm comport/audio isolator dongle. it is wired for rts high to key rig, and have verified this with multipsk software and works fb on two different computers one xp other win7. when i try to use it with easypal, it will not key, it instead stays keyed/rts high. i have tried all possible combination's of the rts/dts setup, and it even stays high using the cat command option on either computer. any ideas david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
[digitalradio] keying rig via commport
greetings etc little problem. have an older buxcomm comport/audio isolator dongle. it is wired for rts high to key rig, and have verified this with multipsk software and works fb on two different computers one xp other win7. when i try to use it with easypal, it will not key, it instead stays keyed/rts high. i have tried all possible combination's of the rts/dts setup, and it even stays high using the cat command option on either computer. any ideas ???? david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
[digitalradio] TS2000 AFSK SETUP
HELLO ALL just got new rig (ts2000). the manual doesn't cover afsk ops through the data jack in any sensible way. if you know how to do it, please let me know, be glad to talk on the land line if necessary. david/wd4kpd 252 402 6765 -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
RE: [digitalradio] WINMOR good
Andy, The RMS WINMOR station is always in contact with one of the CMS (Common Mail Servers). When you negotiate a connection, it checks for any mail waiting for your call. You can also send mail through the RMS WINMOR Station. It doesn't have to be to a winlink.org address. There is also a RMS Relay for store and forward, in case the RMS WINMOR station you connect to has loss of internet. In that case, when you disconnect, it will connect to another RMS Station via RF and pass your traffic. I haven't fully implemented RMS Relay in my RMS WINMOR server, as it is only for Pactor 3 at this point. I expect that will also change in the future. I wish I had a better grasp that what I indicate here. It is a nice network; much wider in it's scope than most realize. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy obrien Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:29 PM To: digitalradio Subject: [digitalradio] WINMOR good Another major update came out today. FYI, despite some limitations on noisy HF (like all modes) , my view is the the RMS package is now a complete one. A application that fills the void mentioned frequently, namely the lack on HF on-ramps. With Winmor HF stations now connected to the WINLINK system, hams can easily communicate via Internet and without Internet. Example, today I connected to KN6NB-5 on 30M, just to see if the upgrade was working. I connected and received an email from another ham that was sent a couple of days ago. I had not checked mail for a few days. How I got the email, I have no clue. In other words, I don't know how it found me, I have not kept up on how Winlink works. I assume that I checked in to a WINMOR winlink station, it checks WINLINK for any mail for me by using the Telnet link and then sends me the mail via HF winmor. While many may have issues about the winlink concept, it now does do something effectively, gets messages to a destination via variety of methods ..error free. Andy K3UK On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Andy obrien mailto:k3ukandy%40gmail.com> com> wrote: > Well, ROS diverted me and I am quite out of date with WINMOR and RMS > Express. I finally upgraded tonight and it looks like it has taken a > major leap forward with PACTOR now added to the suite, plus may new > features. I'll play around some more before registering with the > $39.00 fee but it looks very professional and well conceived. VERY > nice channel selection and display with time feature and really nifty > channel filters that let you set minimum signal quality. Pactor > III is still probably the cat's meow, but this package now gives > Telnet, Pactor (via hardware modem) and Winmor via soundcard. Winmore > P2P or Winmor WL2K. Very well done . I'll try the K7EK station later > tonight. > > See screen shot at http://www.obriensw <http://www.obriensweb.com/wmor.jpg> eb.com/wmor.jpg > > Andy K3UK > > RMS Express Revision History > > > RevisionDateDescription/changes > > 0.5.1 3/13/2010 Minor updates for Pactor and help after version > 0.5.0.0 testing. > > 0.5.0.0 3/10/2010 Major update including New use of WINMOR TNC and > addition of Pactor and propagation prediction. > > 0.4.2.0 1/21/2010 Release of 0.4.1.3 > > 0.4.1.3 1/20/2010 Change logging in KHzToHz to not log exception on > empty string. >Updated WMLinkProtocol.Process Control for case &HFF to not > include state disconnecting. >Changed sound card restart threshold of dttLastSoundCapture from 3 > sec to 7 sec. >Moved Reset of dttLastSoundCardCapture in ProcessCapturedData to > where Data is decimated by 2. >Modified RestartCaptureDevice to clear Capture State and PTT >Modified StopRecord to clear capture state and PTT. >Fix SetRMSCallListXML and SetRMSFreqListXML in WinmorChannels and > Winmor to correct error with multiple intervals of one frequency. >Extend intActivityTimeout from 15 to 20 seconds in > WMLinkProtocol.DecodeFrames >
[digitalradio] Re: HRD Utilities/TQSL LoTW/JT65
I apologize for this, but I found the solution. After Googling this for sometime and finally asking the group, the very next link I clicked on had the answer. If anyone else is having this problem, simply google ARRL Cert.tq6 and download the file (https://p1k.arrl.org/lotw/config.tq6). Double click on it to run it, and all is fixed. Dave On Mar 24, 2010, at 2:11 AM, David Wright wrote: > All, > > Apologize the cross-post, but this problem may cross several lines. > > Before my reinstall of WinXP this past weekend, I was using WSJT to operate > JT65, the logbook in HRD/DM780 to log the exchanges, and HRD Utilities to > upload automatically to LoTW. I had no problems with this, but suddenly > after the OS reinstall I can no longer upload "JT65" as a valid mode. > > In my LoTW QSO listing, I have 42 entries all with "JT65" as the mode, so I > know that it can accept it although a lot of the FAQs say that it should just > be "data". > > Any ideas what happened on my end to cause this, and most especially, what I > should do to get back the ability to upload "JT65" as the mode? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dave > > Dave > K3DCW > > Real radio bounces off the sky > > > Dave K3DCW Real radio bounces off the sky
[digitalradio] HRD Utilities/TQSL LoTW/JT65
All, Apologize the cross-post, but this problem may cross several lines. Before my reinstall of WinXP this past weekend, I was using WSJT to operate JT65, the logbook in HRD/DM780 to log the exchanges, and HRD Utilities to upload automatically to LoTW. I had no problems with this, but suddenly after the OS reinstall I can no longer upload "JT65" as a valid mode. In my LoTW QSO listing, I have 42 entries all with "JT65" as the mode, so I know that it can accept it although a lot of the FAQs say that it should just be "data". Any ideas what happened on my end to cause this, and most especially, what I should do to get back the ability to upload "JT65" as the mode? Thanks in advance, Dave Dave K3DCW Real radio bounces off the sky
[digitalradio] trade ?
have 736r/6/144/222/432/1296/keyer/cw filter (no breakup) fo222-22 beam & 120w brick/1296 25el. loop want 2m QRO 6m/3-500z 2m9ssb x2 what u got ? david/wd4kpd 252 402 6765 -- God's law is set in stone : everything else is negotiable
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts
One exception to that would be if it is part of a NASA rebroadcast IE: Wake-Up or Morning music on the Shuttle David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:15 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts Jose, Oversight, we are certainly not allowed to transmit Music! 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: "José A. Amador" mailto:amador%40electrica.cujae.edu.cu> cujae.edu.cu> >Sent: Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM >To: digitalradio@ <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >Cc: rein...@ix.netcom. <mailto:rein0zn%40ix.netcom.com> com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts > >El 09/03/2010 03:55 p.m., rein...@ix.netcom. <mailto:rein0zn%40ix.netcom.com> com escribió: >> Hello All, >> >> Suppose I would build an transmitter with a x-tal oscillator, lets say >> running at 7040.000 Hz >> >> Part of the system was a balanced modulator and just to make sure a >> a high quality crystal filter, with a 1:1.05 shape factor, was added >> in the driver stages for the final amplifier. >> >> With a lot of tweaking a carrier suppression of the balanced >> modulator was reached of 67.3 dB and the balanced modulator >> was kept temperature stabilized within .1 degree Fahrenheit. >> >> On the modulation section, I constructed a tone generator which could >> be changed in steps of 7.3 Hz starting from 1354 Hz to all the way up >> to 1646 Hz. >> >> I went out and got the xtal filter ordered for a lot of money. >> >> Center frequency of xtal filter ordered and delivered for 7041.500 Hz >> filter at - 80 dB BW 500 Hz. >> >> My question is what would the modulation be of this transmitter? >> >> The amount of audio was set in such a way that the output of >> the transmitter had no distortion what so ever totally >> linear! >> >> 73 Rein W6SZ >> > >All that trouble for MFSK ? :-) > >73, > >Jose, CO2JA > > > > > > > > >Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page >http://www.obriensw <http://www.obriensweb.com/skedpskr4.html> eb.com/skedpskr4.html >Suggesting calling frequencies: Modes <500Hz 3583,7073,14073,18103, 21073,24923, 28123 . Wider modes e.g. Olivia 32/1000, ROS16, ALE: 14109.7088. >Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [digitalradio] The cost of digital mode interfaces
A lot of hams have had problems with the RASCAL and the poor support and commications from the vendor of this product...See Eham reviews. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1384 I use and reccomend the Donner interface here with no issues and they are only $40... they come with all the connections for your specific radio and I think it also provides isolation on both the receive and transmit audio lines. http://home.att.net/~n8st/DDI-index.html Review http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2073 73 Dave WB2FTX -- Original Message - From: Ralph Mowery To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The cost of digital mode interfaces The basic sound card interface has never been very high. Look for one called Rascal. Here is one link to where to get them. http://www.packetradio.com/ I don't recall the price from years ago, but it was under $ 50 then. The kit was even less. Almost just the cost of the parts if bought in single lots. - Original Message From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 8:34:05 AM Subject: [digitalradio] The cost of digital mode interfaces I was helping a ham get set-up for digital modes recently and turned to the issue of interfaces for digital modes. I researched the price for a Rigblaster Pro and was shocked that they sell for $299. My friend settled for another interface that cost $69, new. I was wondering about interfaces and wondering about whether the era of high priced interfaces might be coming to an end. I'm not talking about the ones that have extra features like electronic CW keying, high end soundcards , etc etc. I'm thinking that a device that has connectors, isolation circuits, pots, and a good solid enclosure, should be in the under $100 range. I know you can build your own for $20 or so, It is nice to see that many low price options exist nowadays. Andy K3UK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release Date: 03/06/10 02:39:00
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS Soundcard select .. missing tx option for usb card
Did you delete the ROS.ini File in the Windows directoty? -Original Message- From: "graham787" To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/5/10 6:37 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS Soundcard select .. missing tx option for usb card Alan . are 'we' the only stns with this problem ?? .. I dont see whats causing the problem .. I have tried to remove the prog .. by removing the directroy and starting agen .. however the saved info is still retained ... so how to fully remove ?? G .. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "wa4sca" wrote: > > Just grabbed 2.4.0. Same problem. Of course the FCC says I can't transmit, > so it is largely moot, but it would be fun to at least listen in. > > Alan > WA4SCA >
[digitalradio] ros freq
trying 18.110 usb for anyone willing to try. david/wd4kpd
[digitalradio] ROS FREQUENCY
if you are gonna be trying new bands, at the minimum, do use frequencies that are good for SSB or wideband digital. remember ROS is always around 2.5kc wide regardless of the baud rate. david/wd4kpd
[digitalradio] ROS "M"
WHEN I USE THE CQ MACRO THE OUTPUT HAS THE LETTER "M" IN FRONT OF MY CALL SIGN I CAN REMOVE IT BEFORE I TRANSMIT AND IT RUNS WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE "M" DAVID KF4WBS
[digitalradio] ROS
of a sudden, when i click on any of the buttons, i see no text show up in the window. i seem to be transmitting and got some email feedback for my last transmissions, but nothing shows the text going out. wierd...opened the Fuentes folder, and see the Teletype TTF font file. when i open it, it shows empty ! anyone run into this yet ? david/wd4kpd
[digitalradio] ROS...
kinda of neat, and seems to work ok...some partial qso's so far. big problem is bandwidthits way to wide for the digi segments in general. 20m should be up around 110 or so. along with 20m, anyone got some frequency ideas ? to the designer...all those meters need to be dampened a bit, they fluctuate way to fast to read. david/wd4kpd
Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode !
I have installed the program after using WinRAR to open the archive. However, when trying to run the program I get this error message Run-time error '53': File not found: Switch(16638-29712).ocx I am using Vista 32 bit English OS Any advice would be welcome. Thanks David JG1CYJ From: Russell Blair To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 19 February, 2010 10:50:37 Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode ! OK got it working now but all is dead on 20m. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson " IN GOD WE TRUST " Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: nietorosdj To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 7:32:32 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode ! Hi, tomorrow i will change PTT from COM1 to COM6, but i dont know if it'll run. --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Russell Blair wrote: > > Andy looking for a way to start the program. ? > > Russell >  1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! > 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough > to take everything you have. > - Thomas Jefferson > > > " IN GOD WE TRUST " > > > Russell Blair (NC5O) > Skype-Russell. Blair > Hell Field #300 > DRCC #55 > 30m Dig-group #693 > > > > > _ _ __ > From: Andy obrien > To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 5:42:45 PM > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] A new Mode ! > >  > first question is how to set PTT for various rigs. the author just joined > our group, so maybe he will help us. > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dave Ackrill > wrote: > >  > >Andy obrien wrote: > >> http://rosmodem. wordpress. com is announcing a new mode, weak signal. > >> Web site is down currently ...anyone tried the new mode ? > > > >You know me Andy, always a sucker for something different to try. ;-) > > > >Just downloaded the file and instructions and wondering where to start > >trying for a two way contact? > > > >Dave (G0DJA) > > >
RE: [digitalradio] 13 Pin DIN Male to 6-Pin Mini Din Female
Tony, Thanks for the suggestion. I had considered the breakout box before, but will be setting up a few station positions with more than one digital interface, so wanted something that moved more toward industry standardization using the 6 pin mini DIN. Thanks Again, David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:48 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 13 Pin DIN Male to 6-Pin Mini Din Female Re: 13 Pin DIN Male to 6-Pin Mini Din Female You might try giving West Mountain Raido a call. Web page: www.westmountainrad <http://www.westmountainradio.com> io.com Adapters: http://www.westmoun <http://www.westmountainradio.com/order_us48a.htm> tainradio.com/order_us48a.htm Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] 13 Pin DIN Male to 6-Pin Mini Din Female
I am looking for a source to find adaptors to use with the TS-2000, IC-756 PRO, IC-706, IC-718, etc rigs to go from the full size DIN sockets to an industry standard 6 pin mini DIN male cable. Anyone know of a source, or a lot better than me at soldering? These would allow a 6 pin Mini Din Switch box to be used to allow multiple digital interfaces to be used with most any current production rig. I have IC-756Pro, TS-2000, FT-857D, FT-817D and IC-718 rigs here, and buying specialty cables, plugging and unplugging is getting old. My digital rig (FT-817ND) has a PK232MBX, SignaLink USB ad KPC3+ connected to it via a 4 position switch box. It would be nice to add the same functionality to the other rigs. Thanks, David KD4NUE
[digitalradio] Re: Comparison of RTTY software sensitivity
Thank you for your tests and report Wes. The data is very enlightening. fldigi's detector is a simple pre-filter / frequency discriminator with hysterisis. I will build and test alternate detectors and would welcome the assistance of both designers and testers to improve the RTTY decoder in fldigi. 73, Dave, W1HKJ
[digitalradio] Re: PSK63F
That is true for other modes as Well. That is the reason that the fldigi on-line help gives the characteristics of each mode that is available. see: http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp-3.13/Modes/index.htm Dave
[digitalradio] Re: PSK63F
Change the help reference to: http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp-3.13/ Dave
[digitalradio] PSK63F
PSK63F is available on the soon to be released versopm 3.13 of fldigi. You can download the beta test version for various OS here: http://www.w1hkj.com/alpha/fldigi-flarq/ This version also supports new modes, PSK-125R, PSK-250R and PSK-500R; the R indicating Robust. These modes are similar to PSK63F, but also include an interleaver. You can learn more about these modes here: http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi-Help-3.13 Source code for fldigi is always available for alpha and release versions. 73, Dave, W1HKJ fldigi development team
[digitalradio] dummies guide
hi andy looking forward to a PSKREPORTER/MULTIPSK FOR DUMMIES. any plans ? david/wd4kpd
Re: [digitalradio] YOUR TELETYPE SOUNDS FUNNY
Really... That is my response like you said if you wernt recording what was going on you couldnt tell anyway even if i gave you the freq . However if you knew of any contest that were active at the time and what modes they were using you just might be of some assitance Thanks anyway David KF4WBS From: Dave Wright To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 9:08:55 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] YOUR TELETYPE SOUNDS FUNNY Really? That's your response? You do realize that any answer would be purely a guess, without some information from you such as specific frequencies, times or perhaps a recording. However, in the interest in trying to be helpful, and going without any info from you other than some general frequencies, here are some possibilities. 1830kHz in the US is assigned to the Amateur Service, but in Region 3 it is assigned to the Fixed, Mobile, Radionavigation and Radiolocation Services also. You could be hearing anything there, from a military radioprinter to DGPS navigation systems. The 80m band is a shared band, depending upon the specific frequency. Let's assume you were around 3580kHz. That frequency is an amateur-only allocation in the US, but is shared with the Fixed and Mobile Services in Region 1 and 3. There are many European military stations active in these bands, so you easily could have heard one of them. Alternately, you could have some source of local interference. Without a recording, no one will likely be able to help you with any additional specific information. Dave K3DCW On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:36 AM, DAVID GRAY wrote: >why dont you tell me what you heard and I will tell you if that was it > >I heard it on several freq`s like a contest mode or something it was both >on 80 and in the 1830 kc area > > > > From: "John Becker, WØJAB" >To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com >Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 11:37:40 AM >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] YOUR TELETYPE SOUNDS FUNNY > > > >we can only guess since you did not give to much information. >A frequency and time would be most helpful. > >At 10:53 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: >>I HAVE BEEN MONITORING 160 AND 80 METER DIGITAL FREQUENCIES THIS EVENING >>.. I HEAR SOME TELETYPE BUT CANT DECODE IT >>IT SOUNDS LIKE 150 - 200 BAUD RANGE BUT IT DOESNT DECODE WITH MULTIPSK OR >>FLDIGI >> >>ANYONE KNOW WHAT THAT IS >> >>KF4WBS > > > -- hfradio...@gmail. com "It isn't radio unless it bounces off the sky"
[digitalradio] qsl
RED ALERT ! My Outbox and Inbox are empty today. if you are awaiting a Qsl, start your clock. david/wd4kpd/fm15mm
Re: [digitalradio] YOUR TELETYPE SOUNDS FUNNY
why dont you tell me what you heard and I will tell you if that was it I heard it on several freq`s like a contest mode or something it was both on 80 and in the 1830 kc area From: "John Becker, WØJAB" To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 11:37:40 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] YOUR TELETYPE SOUNDS FUNNY we can only guess since you did not give to much information. A frequency and time would be most helpful. At 10:53 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: >I HAVE BEEN MONITORING 160 AND 80 METER DIGITAL FREQUENCIES THIS EVENING >.. I HEAR SOME TELETYPE BUT CANT DECODE IT >IT SOUNDS LIKE 150 - 200 BAUD RANGE BUT IT DOESNT DECODE WITH MULTIPSK OR >FLDIGI > >ANYONE KNOW WHAT THAT IS > >KF4WBS
[digitalradio] YOUR TELETYPE SOUNDS FUNNY
I HAVE BEEN MONITORING 160 AND 80 METER DIGITAL FREQUENCIES THIS EVENING ..I HEAR SOME TELETYPE BUT CANT DECODE IT IT SOUNDS LIKE 150 - 200 BAUD RANGE BUT IT DOESNT DECODE WITH MULTIPSK OR FLDIGI ANYONE KNOW WHAT THAT IS KF4WBS
Re: [digitalradio] 7036kHz Digital ops
HI..in VK our digital band plan for 40m is 7030 to 7040 i also understand this is true in many EU countries.. the NA region is around 7070 so if NA ops want to contact with EU or VK/ZL using digimodes they head for the frequencies that they are using. if i want to contact a NA station i would have to use 7070 and reap the ire of local VK ops the problem is the difference of 40m band plans between regions 1,2 and 3 why they cant get concensus has been a age old fight. blame the IARU for the problem 73 David VK4BDJ k6acj wrote: > > Why have USA PSK stations moved down from 7070++ to operate in this > region that is typically used for CW? Bill K6ACJ > > Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands
Bonnie, Just a point... I don't believe the HF automatic sub bands are internationally recognized. To my knowledge it is only the FCC in the US that has set up these automatic control sub bands. 73 Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands > I would also like the ALE and digital community to > recognise that they share the bands with everyone else > Dave (G0DJA) Hi Dave, While I can't speak for the whole "digital community", I can probably speak with some authority for the "ALE community"... ALE operators have been sharing the ham bands for many many years without harmful interference. This is primarily due to the way that ALE has been adapted to amateur radio by hams, a protocol adaption known as "ham-friendly ALE". 99% of ALE operation is in organised emcomm networks and 99% of the organised networks are operating in the internationally recogised HF automatic sub-bands, where automatic modes have been in use for many years. 73 Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.79/2522 - Release Date: 11/23/09 14:45:00
[digitalradio] Re: FLARQ outperforms WINMOR
DID ANYONE CHECKOUT THE BAUD RATE FOR PSK 500 ? IS IT A SINGLE STREAM ? DAVID KF4WBS / NNN0LES --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wenig wrote: > > Andy, > > Thanks for the Flarq tests last night. That was really fun. I can see > how useful this can be in emergency communications in addition to a > program like Winmor. Winmor with its capabilities to send email through > the Winlink network and NBEMS with its peer to peer capabilities to send > error free digital data. I like Flarq's capability to use a simple > setup like a low power radio, simple antenna and especially that $1.50 > USB sound card that you were using :-) > > 73, Ron ny3j > > Andy obrien wrote: > > > > > > Well, not an apples to apples test.. but Ron NY3J and I played for > > quite a while with FLARQ tonight on 80M and 40. 80M was was in poor > > shape with QRN and weak signals but we managed a few slow MFSK16 email > > transfers. We then switched to 40M and I received Ron about S5, he > > was 200 miles away. We really had NO problems transferring email and > > text files using PSK250. I sent one big file that averaged 800 bytes > > per minute . On Winmor I have not had more than 300 bytes per minute > > although some have reported 1000 bytes per minute. My sound card was > > a $1.50 USB sound adapter. After an hour or so, we tried PSK500 but > > were not able to get a "connect" perhaps the band was changing. > > > > So, while we are having fun seeing the good progress of WINMOR ... > > don't forget FLARQ. It is simple and it works well. My next step is > > to see if I can run both FLARQ and PSKMAIL at the same time. While in > > the shack until about 0600 UTC, I will have my FLARQ beacon beaconing > > every 15 minutes. I have RS ID on , so you can switch me over if you > > need to change modes. Drop me an email on 7083 (7082 dial, plus 1000 > > hz on waterfall) When it is sleep time, I will close since we do not > > run this "unattended". > > > > Andy K3UK > > > > >
[digitalradio] Re: RS ID with FLDIGI stops decode
The next version of fldigi supports the RSID decoder as a background operation, allowing the current modem to continue operating both in receive and transmit. 73, Dave, W1HKJ
[digitalradio] Re:I Hate Computers and Radio!!!! Interference.
The Switching Power Supply can cause interference, as you know. Other than replacing the computer power supply with a higher quality one, or making sure the power supply case has a good earth ground you might try putting ferrite beads over the power lines coming out of the power supply, albeit there are a number of them. W7DAO
Re: [digitalradio] Come Here Watson
I think you have it mixed up Watson was associated with Alexander Graham Bell and the telephone not Thomas Edison. Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: chas To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Come Here Watson actually, I THINK that the expression used by TEdison was "Watson, I want you". or has my CRS kicked in again? 73 -- ch...@texas.net k5dam Houston, TX Andrew O'Brien wrote: > Message ID: NDTTDN5FRWGW > Date: 2009/09/19 13:11 > From: KI4MTB > To: K3UK > Source: KI4MTB > Subject: //WL2K Test > > Test from KI4MTB > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.107/2382 - Release Date: 09/19/09 06:03:00
Re: [digitalradio] SDR-Radio.com
Hi Simon..the SDR console sounds and looks greati have just built a Genesis G3020 (30 and 20m) have had it working on the M0KGK software and it works well. when you release a beta of your console i would like to try and see if it will run on Linux under Wine.there is very little good consoles available for the Linux platform and im not a programmer but i can do a bit of script hacking hi hi 73 David VK4BDJ Simon (HB9DRV) wrote: > SDR-RADIO.com is a SDR console - connect a SDR radio such as the SoftRock > receiver and you can receive 160m to 10m, at least 100kHz bandwidth at a > time. > > Not just a receiver - it will decode CW (similar to CW skimmer), monitor for > RSID / CALLID, do lots of other great things (tm) which are still t.b.a. > Once I get it available you'll see what I mean. > > Later it will support TX using SDR as well. > > Simon Brown, HB9DRV > www.ham-radio-deluxe.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Andrew O'Brien" > > > >> Since this integrates with DM780, what does the software actually "do" >> ? I assume that HRD and DM780 do all the work, so is it essentially >> just a 10 kHZ waterfall? >> > > >
Re: [digitalradio] pse help id this mode
Marco IK1ODO wrote: > Anyone knows what multitone signal is at 14.077 ? Strong in Italy at > the moment. > It is a slow multitone, 175 Hz wide. It starts at 2 sec after the > minute, and lasts 47 seconds. > Multipsk does not recognize it, AFAIK. > Emacs! > > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > Hi Marco...from the description and frequency you have given it sounds like its JT65A this is one of the modes of WSJT by Joe Taylor..there are a large number of stations in EU and USA as well as Japan and other countries who use this mode... it is classed as a weak signal mode and TX for 48 seconds then RX for the next minute software for this mode is available in both Windows and Linux from K1JT Joe Taylors site if i can be of further assistance please dont hesitate to writr an e-mail to me 73 David VK4BDJ
[digitalradio] Re: flarq compatible modes
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Amador" wrote: > > > Dave, > > Is the beacon interval OK? > > Wouldn't it better be 30 MINUTES? > > I wonder, because I used to run beacons every 10 minutes on packet. > Less than that could be considered "antisocial" by some people... :-( > > 73, > > Jose, CO2JA Thank you Jose. Yes, the beacon interval is 30 minutes in the example given. Dave, W1HKJ
[digitalradio] flarq compatible modes
I have received several reports that users have not been able to get flarq<->fldigi<=>fldigi<->flarq to establish an flarq connection. I think that the problem might have been a failure on my part to delineate which modes are compatible with flarg. I have updated the on-line documentation for flarq thusly: Flarq can be used with the following digital modem as the transport layer: BPSK all baud rates QPSK all baud rates MFSK all baud rates DOMINOEX 11 or faster (do not use FEC) THOR all baud rates, 11 or faster recommended MT63 - all baud rates, flarq timing should be increased to accommodate mt63 latency for example: MT63-500 requires flarq be set up with: Wait time 30 seconds Timeout 300 seconds Tx delay 500 msec Beacon interval 30 seconds on both ends. Watch the flowers grow :-) Probably the most important thing for persons trying the flarq / fldigi suite to know is that they should not use DominoEX-FEC or Olivia as the transport layer. These modes suppress the transmission of the required control codes for the flarq data stream. 73, Dave, W1HKJ
[digitalradio] MT63 specifications
An excerpt from Pawel Jalocha's source code distribution: The MT63 modem is intended for amateur radio as a conversation (RTTY like) mode where one station transmits and one or more other stations can listen. In short, the modem transmits 64 tones in its 1 kHz bandwidth: the audio range for the tones is 500-1500 Hz. The differential bipolar phase modulation is used to encode 10 bits of information per second on each tone. The user data in the form of 7-bit ASCII characters is encoded as a set of 64-point Walsh functions. The bits are interleaved over 32 symbols (3.2 seconds) to provide resistance against both pulse and frequency selective noise or fading. The character rate equals to the symbols rate thus the modem can transmit 10 7-bit characters per second. This modem can as well run in two other modes obtained by simple time scaling, the possible modes are summarized here: BandwidthAudio RangeSymbol Rate Character Rate Interleave / Char. 500 Hz 500 - 1000 Hz 5 baud 5 char / sec 6.4 or 12.8 sec 1000 Hz 500 - 1500 Hz 10 baud 10 char / sec 3.2 or 6.4 sec 2000 Hz 500 - 2500 Hz 20 baud 20 char / sec 1.6 or 3.2 sec For each mode the interleave factor can be doubled thus each character becomes spread over twice as long period of time. The MT63 modem is made for single side band operation. The audio generated by the modem (sound card output) is applied to the SSB modulator. On the receiver side, the output of the SSB demodulator is put into the sound card input. The envelope of the MT63 signal is not constant as in other multi-tone systems - it is rather noise-like. One must be carefull not to overdrive the transmitter. The receiver of the MT63 is self-tuning and self-synchronizing thus the radio operator is only required to tune into the signal with +/- 100 Hz accuracy for the basic 1000 Hz mode. The modem will tell the actuall frequency offset after it is synchronized. The operator should not try to correct this offset unless he is able to tune very slowly his radio receiver, because the MT63 as a low rate phase modulated system does not like sudden frequency changes. The MT63 is a synchronous system and it relies on the sampling rate to be the same at the receiver and the transmitter. At least the sampling rates should not be different by more that 10^-4. MT63 samples at 8000 Hz thus if your card runs at 8000.5 it's probably OK but if it runs at 8005 Hz it's not good ! An extreme example can be my Soundman-16 (PAS-16 clone) which when asked to run 8000 Hz tell me, that it can only do 8008 Hz and it reality it runs at 7910.3 Hz which makes an error of more than 1% - far too much for the MT63 even at infinitely good S/N. My other two cards (DSP-16 and Ensoniq 1371) are more reasonable: they show an error of 0.3 to 0.5 Hz at 8000 Hz sampling.
[digitalradio] NBEMS software problems
Sorry for the tardy reply but I only receive a daily synopsis from this group. If you need help with any aspect of running the NBEMS suite (fldigi, flarq, wrap) you will receive a more timely response by posting your questions and problems on the yahoo group dedicated to it's support: nbems...@yahoo.com You should be prepared to enumerate what version of each of the programs you are testing and what hardware you are using for the test. You will probably be asked to provide further information regarding the type of transceiver control being used on both ends of the qso. The person assisting will also ask for the timing settings and what mode you are using for the flarq tests. If you have programming skills that complement your operating skills you have the opportunity to contribute to making any or all of these programs better for yourself and the amateur radio community as a whole. All of the NBEMS programs are General Public License (GPL). That means the source code is ALWAYS available to you. Contributing in this way is far more noble than simply grousing about failures that may or may not be attributed to the software. Binary and/or executable files are simply a convenience for those who are not able to build the application from source. Some mention was made about receiving an OS message during program startup. I have only seen the message on VISTA and it is almost always associated with a change in h/w between a shutdown and subsequent restart of fldigi. Did you unplug either your microphone, line-in, or speaker out from your sound card? If you did then VISTA reports that the sound system is not available. Fldigi is trying to access the sound system and fails (at the OS level) to do so. There is probably a way to avoid this problem, but the Linux programmers who work on fldigi are not aware of how to do so. Here is an opportunity for a Microsoft skilled programmer to lend a hand (see para above). 73, Dave, W1HKJ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Universal Shipborne Automatic Identification System (AIS) ?
Hi All...have tried to see if Shipplotter will run on Linux under Wine have got the GUI up and it seems as if may be working ok. havent got the hardware to fully try it out. 73 David VK4BDJ aa777888athotmaildotcom wrote: > > > Google is your friend. Found this for you, but not sure if it works > any good: > > http://www.coaa.co.uk/shipplotter.htm > <http://www.coaa.co.uk/shipplotter.htm> > > Scott > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>, "Andrew O'Brien" > wrote: > > > > Any public domain software that can decode it ? > > > > On 7/29/09, aa777888athotmaildotcom wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > They are not "normal" FM transmissions. AIS uses an emission > designator of > > > 16K0FD. More specifically, a 9.6kbps GMSK FM modulation using HDLC > packet > > > protocols. > > > > > > Almost everything you need to know is right here: > > > > > > http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/enav/ais/default.htm > <http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/enav/ais/default.htm> > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > "Andrew O'Brien" wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Dave, is it via some sort of data burst? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM, nf2g wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All emissions on those channels are FM. > > > > > > > > > > 73 de Dave, NF2G > > > > > > > > > > __._, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Andy > > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Digital modes and old husband's tales
Hi Andy...Ill add a quote from the Instruction Manual for the Kenwood TS140S "While 100 watt transmissions are possible when using short duration modes such as PACKET continued operation over a long period of time might cause overheating. We recommend that you reduce the transmitter power output to 50 watts whenever using one of these modes i.e PACKET, AMTOR, RTTY, this is easily acomplished thry the use of the front panel PWR control" on my homebrew interface i have a pot that i use to set the drive to the TX so that i read approx 50 watts on the Revex Power meter on the antenna output. was using 65 watts one night on PSK and was told that my signal was drifting a bit.the internal fan didnt come on but the heatsink was awfully warmhave since put 2 computer p/s fans on top of the heatsink at it runs cooler and no drift on tx ok thats my dimes worth hi hi 73 David VK4BDJ Andrew O'Brien wrote: > > > > The replies to Ralph's question about audio levels appear to be sound > advice and certainly in keeping with what has been advised since sound > card digital modes burst upon the scene. I wonder how accurate it is > though?I have seen a few serious hams argue that "no ALC" is not > really the case, that some ALC can be OK. I have also seen mention > that the no ALC issue applies to some modes (like PSK) but not to > others like (JT65A). I also wonder about the half-power advice that > some advise. With my homebrewed interface, I could never get much > above 40 watts before some ALC began to show. When I switched to a > commerical interface with good isolation (Microkeyer by Microham) I > can almost always get 100 watts output without any ALC action. I have > not received any negative reports about my signal . If I run 100 > watts SSB for phone contacts, why would I not want to do the same for > digital modes assuming the signal was "clean" ? . Yes, I would agree > I should not run 100 watts if communication was possible with less > power, but I don't think a brief PSK CQ at 100 watts is going to do > much more harm to my finals than a 3 minute ragchew at 50 watts, phone > . Right ? > > Comments ? > > > > -- > Andy K3UK > >
Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio .... !!
This link goes to "invalid thread" on qrz.com Any better information? Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: Robert Ellis To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio !! k7fe reports in a qrz forum that the palmdale city council approved the ordinance: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=209771 On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:27 PM, David Struebel wrote: > > > Read the report. > > > Dave WB2FTX > - Original Message - > From: "Robert Ellis" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham > radio !! > > > > > here's a recent city proposal (jul-2009): > > > > http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_hall/Planning/2009-07/AMeeting/spl70978h.pdf > > > > > > > robert > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.10/2230 - Release Date: 07/10/09 17:57:00
Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio .... !!
Read the report. It calls for the city to have the right not only to inspect the amateur radio antenna instalation but also the amateur radio equipment. Regulation of the equipment should be pre-empted by the Federal government specifically this July 9 dats says that the amateur cannot modify his installation (i.e. antenna AND EQUPIMENT) in any fasion diffrent from that approved intially by the city. If for instance, you add say VHF or UHF capacity to your station after the city grants approval your are in violation, likewise it would seem that adding an amplifier to your station would also be prohibited...What happens if you do either of these without prior notification to the city? Are they going to arrest you or confiscate your equipment? This is clearly a case of Federal goverment preemption and should not be laoowed to continue as written... My two cents Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: "Robert Ellis" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio !! > > On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:05 PM, David Struebel wrote: > >> >> >> >> I don't think so, the date is listed as July 8 and the video >> mentions that the city lost the court case but >> is still going after the issue. > > here's a recent city proposal (jul-2009): > > http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_hall/Planning/2009-07/AMeeting/spl70978h.pdf > > in short, the proposal says, antennas that don't require permits > include: > > a) antennas that are installed, placed or maintained and used under > the roof, or extend no more than one inch above the roof, or are > behind and below an > approved architectural feature and do not protrude above the highest > point of thebuilding and are not visible from a public right-of-way or > other private property, including upper floors of adjacent buildings; > > b) antennas that are handheld or mounted on vehicles consistent with > the vehicle code; and > > c) antenna installations intended for use by the City of Palmdale or > another governmental agency. > > > there are more restrictions for antennas that don't meet the above > restrictions. You get to chat with your neighbors first, and you get > to pay the city to come out and inspect the antenna system every year. > With the budget crisis in CA, those costs will likely be prohibitively > high. > > so, I guess the meeting was on jul-9, but minutes/videos haven't > appeared on the palmdale city site yet: > http://palmdale.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2 > > > So, I guess that Palmdale is a really beautiful place to live, where > everyone wears a suit to get on a plane, nobody is overweight, and > everyone's lawn is finely manicured. > > robert > >> >> Dave WB2FTX >> - Original Message - >> From: Dan Hensley >> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham >> radio !! >> >> >> Guys...this is OLD news and the ham took the city to court. He won >> his case and it's over. >> >> --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Raymond Lunsford wrote: >> >> From: Raymond Lunsford >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham >> radio !! >> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 8:38 PM >> >> Is yhis a joke?K4YDI> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM, D.G. wrote: >> >> City attempts to shut down ham radio !! >> >> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=_d5B9UPw_ 10 >> >> Messages in this topic (2) >> >> >> >> Reply (via web post) >> | >> >> Start a new topic >> >> >> >> >> Messages >> | Files >> | Photos >> >> >> | Polls >> | Members >> | Calendar >> >> >> >> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at >> >> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked >> >> Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or >> Multipsk >> >> Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. >> >> MARKETPLACE >> >> >> Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their >> families, for the world and for each other >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) >> >> Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch >> format to Traditional >> >> Visit Your Group >> | >> >> Yahoo! Groups T
Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio .... !!
I don't think so, the date is listed as July 8 and the video mentions that the city lost the court case but is still going after the issue. Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: Dan Hensley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio !! Guys...this is OLD news and the ham took the city to court. He won his case and it's over. --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Raymond Lunsford wrote: From: Raymond Lunsford Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio !! To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 8:38 PM Is yhis a joke?K4YDI wrote: City attempts to shut down ham radio !! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=_d5B9UPw_ 10 Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Polls | Members | Calendar Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. MARKETPLACE Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 12 New Members Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Yahoo! Groups Auto Enthusiast Zone Auto Enthusiast Zone Car groups and more! Support Group Lose lbs together Share your weight- loss successes. . __,_.._,___ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Use the *$%#ing RS ID!
This is not an official answer, but I will take a stab at it. RSID is an Olivia transmission at the beginning of each digital transmission that contains the operating parameters used by the originating station. RSID stands for Reed-Soloman ID. Wiki Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction RSID can be coded into the digital sound card software at the author's discretion. The modes it is most useful on are model like Olivia, MT-63, Contestia, or modes that have multiple combinations of number of tones, bandwidth, interleave, etc. Modes that offer many configuration options but sound relatively alike are easier to master using RSID on both ends. After becoming accustomed to the varying sounds, it becomes less of a concern, to the point that you can recognize them by ear, or proficient enough to decode on the fly. Currently, MultiPSK, HRD and (I believe) FL-Digi have it as an option. I am unsure of the FL-Digi implementation. The software determines if it is toggled off after first IDing a transmission or stays in constantly, once selected. Both originating and receiving station must have it enabled. It is enabled according to the Author's instructions, which is dependent on how it is implemented in each software package. This reply is based on limited usage of RSID when it first became available on MultiPSK a few years back. I never used it enough to really become proficient, but this is my basic understanding of how it works. YMMV, David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nf2g Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:49 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Use the *$%#ing RS ID! OK, thanks for the clarification. In sum, this is the basic information we all appear to need: 1) What is RS ID? We are each responsible for everything that is transmitted by our stations, so we should understand what this is. 2) On what modes is RS ID required/recommended/preferred? 3) Which software supports RS ID? 4) How do we enable RS ID in each capable software package? 73 de Dave, NF2G
Re: [digitalradio] Spotted on Usenet: running HRD under Linux with Wine
Hi Mike..can you please tell us how you did it. it would be good to have a step by step ..blow by blow account that us Linux users can use to get it up and running too congrats on doing it 73 David VK4BDJ jhaynesatalumni wrote: > > > From: m II mailto:c%40in.the.hat>> > Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave > Subject: Ham Radio Deluxe on Linux > > It took a while to get it working right. there was a lot of fiddling > with the 'Wine' setup. > > http://encyclopaedia-galactica.org/screenshot.png > <http://encyclopaedia-galactica.org/screenshot.png> > > This thing has enough bells and whistles to last a lon, long time. > > mike > >
RE: [digitalradio] Hook up TNC and Soundcard to same radio?
With the capability to cut and paste a received message from MT-63 and send it out via Winlink, the 10 second turn around is very close to simultaneous operation. If you want to make things difficult for your self, or discourage others from using the available transport layers, you can advocate having 3 rigs and as many antennas. Here is an example of a complete Transportable outfit for rapid deployment: http://www.se-hams.com/html/emcomm1.html A single antenna (DX-CC, BW-90, Screwdriver on a tripod, etc.) is all that is necessary. The setup above allows voice, sound card modes, External DSP controlled modes (Pactor III being the main one), has manual tuner with bypass mode. The rig covers from 160m to 70cm. A separate UHF/VHF setup would be a nice addition to the setup above. A FT-8900 to a quad band tripod mounted antenna, would be the icing on the cake. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chas Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:27 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [digitalradio] Hook up TNC and Soundcard to same radio? Given: TS-480HX Signalink USB Timewave PK232 USB, etc Thinkpad T-41 Doze XP Pro how do I hook this up so that I can run Olivia/MT63 or whatever at the same time this thing is trying to go Peer to Peer and is being driven freqency wise by Automatic freq control software? I suppose that the AFC will have to be disconnected or disabled and Pactor will be set to run on the ... I just don't see how you can run Pactor on the same radio as soundcard and at the same time. it is also obvious that this setup is not going to allow HF SSB as long as this stuff is turned on, nicht? so, a deployed station is going to have to have as many as three radios and as many antennas.??? thanks chas -- ch...@texas. <mailto:chasm%40texas.net> net k5dam Houston, TX Orwell -- "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." ---
Re: [digitalradio] Images of digital modes
Hi Scotthave a look at www.w1hkj.com the home of Fldigi...there is a section on Sight and Sounds of Digital modes. Fldigi is available for Windows Linux Mac Bsd etc..if you havent tried it i suggest you give it a look 73 David VK4BDJ N3UJJ (Scott Gillis) wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from N3UJJ (Scott Gillis) included below] > > As more and more of us use Software Defined Radios (and "see" the > signals) , I was wondering if anyone knew of a web > site that that has images of the signals. > I know there are quite a few sites that have the audio files, but I'm > looking for a site images as well. > > Thanks in advance, > Scott Gillis (N3UJJ) > My HamShack <http://www.n3ujj.com/hamshack.html > <http://www.n3ujj.com/hamshack.html>> > My Current Location <http://location.n3ujj.com/ > <http://location.n3ujj.com/>> > My Weather Station <http://weather.n3ujj.com/ > <http://weather.n3ujj.com/>> > >
Re: [digitalradio] FT-847 to PC connection help
If you have a automatic antenna tuner attached to your rad, remove it and you will connect. The 847 loses CAT output when using the tuner. Dave KB8FR --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Wilfredo Aviles Jr / KP4ARN wrote: From: Wilfredo Aviles Jr / KP4ARN Subject: [digitalradio] FT-847 to PC connection help To: "digital radio" Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 11:03 AM I want a use my FT-847 with my PC went I try (Ham Radio Deluxe) don't have communication. My last test was use other PC, other Nullmodem cable, reload a program, reset a radio, so who have idea for not connect. 73' Wilfredo "Junior" Aviles / KP4ARN Amateur Radio is the best way to know People and Travel around the World, FREE
RE: [digitalradio] 14074. MHZ - What Is That?
ALE 400 ARQ I believe David KD4NUE CQ K7TMG>K2MO K7TMG DE K2MO ok tony back ag ain in FAE. The other ARQ is nowhere near as f -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r_lwesterfi...@bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:33 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] 14074. MHZ - What Is That? Anybody know what that is on 14.074? Rick - KH2DF/W5
RE: [digitalradio] SSB Phone versus other modes
Andy, This is a topic of discussion that is raging on behind the lines in Emergency Communications also. The fundamental thing that many miscalculate is how the Intel that is to be sent digitally is gathered and relayed to someone with the capabilities to "digitize" In this debate, a lot of babies have been thrown out with the bath water already. Please keep the most rudimentary concept of communications in mind in this discussion. It is like factoring to prime numbers. One day, everyone will have a total mobile digital station as an option in their cars at point of purchase. However, we aren't there yet, and we have to rely on what is available if we are to offer a useful service to the community to pay for our keep (and spectrum). Voice Ops will always be an option; especially in the first 96 hours when everyone is scrambling to restore enough damaged infrastructure to get back on the air. Again, as "hunter gatherers" someone must collect the Intel or "ground truth" that is to be sent via digital means. However, Amateur Radio is less about public service now than it has been in the past, and many don't consider Emergency Communications as something they are interested in. As far as DX goes, that is another battle altogether. Many who chase weak signals are deeply involved in the modes that were available when they were first licensed. Some (an un-known quantity), don't have email, internet or computer access. Some have never had their hands on a typewriter; much less a keyboard. Some don't own a microphone. To them , the topic is a non-starter. To the technician who has stayed on weak-signal VHF and above long enough to learn about propagation patterns, coax losses, antenna gain, AOS/LOS, line of sight, etc...These are most likely to continue to learn as they progress in their license upgrade path. They tend to see the full picture, and having to work harder for each line of sight or tropo-enhanced contact already have fairly well sized up the importance of good operating techniques, and what is needed to get the job done. They have already found that you will make more contacts on HF with a wire by mistake than you will ever make above 50MHz using proper operating techniques, a good station that is properly put together and mindful every step of the away of the losses and need for efficient operations as they move from the approximately 7MHz total of HF spectrum to the Gazillions of MHz of spectrum available to them, if they will develop the gear and skills to use it. They will be the ones that may carry 20th Century technology into the 21st century. The one day extras that come in to a test session with no license and exit with an extra; not so much. The CW ops that can't find a Microphone, but have a half-dozen keys around; not so much. Folks that enjoy and are heavily invested in ESSB; not so much Folks that are equally involved in both Voice and Digital ops, and understanding the need for each, and at what point in the timeline that need is most apparent; preaching to the Choir. Digital Only ops - "When the Ohms jump out of the Pot, look out!" Don't put all your eggs in one basket. By and large; "specialization is for insects" when it comes down to survival. Just a few thoughts, David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:54 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] SSB Phone versus other modes I wonder why some folks bother with phone, especially under weak conditions. It sure is fun to just "talk" but the performance of SSB phone versus other modes continues to amaze me. Trying for the LOTW TP award has caused me to use SSB phone more of late, and I am often encountering situations where we switch from CW to digital and then to phone for the award. Today for example, I worked NX7F 559 on CW, then barely readable on phone, 339 at best, then 100% copy on PSK31. I wonder if there are many phone ops who do not yet do the other modes? They would be shocked at how much less shouting they would need to do if they pursued DX in CW or digital modes. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: SDR 20/30 board due in a month
Hi Andy...been reading my mail on the logger :-) had a e-mail from Nick of Genesis about 2 weeks ago and he said 4-6weeks then im hoping to get a board as soon as they come out very interesting concept 73 David VK4BDJ Andrew O'Brien wrote: > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>, Andy obrien wrote: > > > > I read today that there is a 20/30 noard due from Softrock probably > > in a bout 4 weeks time. > > > > www.genesisradio.com.au > > > > > > Andy K3UK > > > > I should have said "SDR" , not softrock. > >
[digitalradio] Don't forget Saturday's Feld Hell Hamvention Sprint
The Feld Hell Club will be at Dayton with it's own station, W8H, and that will be the focus of our May Sprint. Good luck to everyone, and have fun! DATE: Saturday, May 16, 2009 TIME: 1200Z - 2200Z MODES: All modes of Hell are allowed BANDS: All non-WARC bands are allowed EXCHANGE: RST, FH #, QTH (ONLY GIVE STATE, PROVINCE, or COUNTRY) POINTS: 3 for a each member QSO, 1 for a non-member QSO. You get points for a QSO with the same ham on a different band. MULTIPLIERS: 1 for each state, province, or country. You do NOT get multiplier points for a QSO on different bands, only contact points above. BONUS POINTS: 1) 200 points for your first QSO on each band with W8H, the club callsign during the Hamvention, which will be shared by members operating in Dayton 2) 50 points for your first QSO on each band with any station in Ohio All other multiplier rules apply (add each unqiue state, province, and country you contact to give you your Multiplier. Contacts with the same state, province, or country on another band does NOT count as another multiplier, but does qualify as another QSO) Sprint scores will be submitted at http://www.emailmeform.com/fid.php?formid=202397 Questions go to cont...@feldhellclub.org
[digitalradio] The next big thing - Using Swarm Intelligence
Excuse the newbie's lack of knowledge, but... Rapid expansion followed by slow consolidation. This is the way of business and technology. What we have been seeing over the last decade or so is the rapid expansion (diversity) of digital communications schemas. Eventually, market forces will prune the tree and only a few major branches will be left. Some minor branches will survive as museum pieces used by a small "collector-antique" community. Alternatively, a new digital mode that will either be superior to all others, or will dominate others, as to create a barrir to entry in the market. For example, when Windows and MAC took over the personal computer OS market. Where am I going with this? Why do we have to wait for someone to invent the better mouse trap? We can design it as a community. Perhaps its time for us as a community to develop the specifications for this "next big thing." and send it out to the ether for programmers and technologist to build. Specifications: 1. Simple and easy to hook-up for the average computer user. Ideally only requires software, cables, and the Ham's existing transceiver. 2. Inexpensive 3. Open source code and documentation 4. Excellent documentation within source code and within manuals 5. Able scan beacon's and make suggestions for the best mode of operation given the users frequency. 6. Consists of a set of communications protocals and methods to enable it to determine the best format to use given bandwidth, power, band noise, information density, etc. 7. Uses low-bandwidth low baud rates for initial contact and then quickly shifts through machine-to-machine communication to establish the best connection using the best communications schema given the conditions. 8. Can repair bits. 9. Uses standardized tokens to send and recieve often used letters, words, or phrases between machines. 10. Can send any combination of text, images, and speech within the same transmission given enough bandwidth. 11. Can enable the connection of many different Hams in one call working at the same time. 12. Can interface with standard logging software. Well here are the first dozen from an inexperienced newbie that believes in Swarm Intelligence. Perhaps if we all write a solid Specifications document we could next pool money and create a prize to the group that can create the first robust solution for us. Well enough of my soapboxing. 73
[digitalradio] Re: TAK-Tenna
I own a Tak-Tenna. I selected it because I have almost no space on my lot for a dipole. First, it is easy to build. Second, don't try this antenna without an antenna analyzer. I have the 40 meter version and it works. During the worldwide SSB contest I was able to talk to Finland, New Zealand, and Austrialia, but was it the antenna or that these guys had 65 foot and higher towers with beam antennas? Based on my contacts I think this antenna does well when the other guy has a beam on a high tower. By the way, there is enough public domain materials on various versions of this antenna around that you could build your own pretty easily.
Re: [digitalradio] 5 digital modes you need, the only 5.
Hi yes Sholto some forget about that one digital ...on and off with a key... have to use Digits to make it work on either Key ..Keyer or Keyboard Hi Hi 73 David VK4BDJ Sholto Fisher wrote: > > > Don't forget CW the first digital mode :) > > I know...I know... > > Sholto > K7TMG > >
[digitalradio] Re: Tweet on Twitter
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" wrote: > http://twitter.com/digitalhamradio is the Twitter address for this > mail group. Note is is digitalhamradio not our usual digitalradio. > Andy K3UK > Owner You still need an 'icon' for your twitter group. The default one is a no-go. 73, David
[digitalradio] NEW 20 METER HELL CALLING FREQUENCY
After much discussion, the Feld Hell club has decided to move the recommended 20 meter calling frequency for Hell Modes to 14.063 MHz (from 14.074.) This is being done to avoid the growing number of digital signals at 074. With this move we will free up 074 for the other modes, and provide Hell operators with a clearer area in which to operate. Thank you For more information on the move and on operating Hell Modes visit www.feldhellclub.org
RE: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS
Paul, Glad to hear Navy is giving it a try. The rest is grossly off-topic, but I feel the need to expand my understanding. On the Zero, it is a sore point across services, as is the full call debacle on initial check in that I believe came from Bo's influence. I can declare abbreviated calls are authorized, before I establish ANCS, and take 5 to 8 check ins per minute with out duplicate transmissions. In many cases, using abbreviated calls, I can get an entire working net of about 20 stations, establish ANCS, make the call for emergency or priority traffic, have ANCS make the same call, and have 54 minutes for training, administrative business or emergency net operation. Since we have to use full phonetics (Our prefixes are more complex than NNN), and we never fall back to Abbreviated Call Signs (Our prefixes are more complex than NNN), and we never give a call sign non-phonetically (our prefixes are more complex than NNN), and we use FEMA Region designators to be able to geographically determine the effectiveness of the net (our prefixes are more complex than NNN0) We find that the attempt to require full call signs on initial check in to be a surefire way to create Chaos. Also, in preferring the concept of training the way we would operate in an emergency, we have generally found that requiring full calls to NCS, when the net can only have ONE NCS is as well thought out as being asked if we want fries with our fries, when we just order fries. One day, I may be fully expanded enough in mind and maturity to fully understand the full call requirement. I'll bet you guys are still laughing about that part of the new voice SOP. Bravo Zulu, David KD4NUE / AAM4__ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul L Schmidt, K9PS Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:26 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS David Little wrote: > Howard, > > I am a member of Army MARS in the state of Georgia. > > Actually, I should say Region 4 MARS, as we are now under the Region > concept and are merging into a Tri-Service organization. > > So far, AF MARS has completely revamped their call-sign structure to > adhere to FEMA Region numbers. > and all Navy/Marine Corps guys are Zeros. > > Don't ask me why the zeros are leading the pack; they seem to be immune > to change. > > David > KD4NUE > Navy / Marine Corps *callsigns* generally use a zero as the digit... but that's just the callsign. Most Navy MARS callsigns don't indicate anything about the station's location. The organizational structure, though. shifted to the same as FEMA several years ago. I know of several Navy stations here in Region Five that have experimented with Easypal... 73, Paul / K9PS / NNN0___
RE: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS
Howard, I am a member of Army MARS in the state of Georgia. Actually, I should say Region 4 MARS, as we are now under the Region concept and are merging into a Tri-Service organization. So far, AF MARS has completely revamped their call-sign structure to adhere to FEMA Region numbers. and all Navy/Marine Corps guys are Zeros. Don't ask me why the zeros are leading the pack; they seem to be immune to change. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of W6IDS Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:17 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS David, I didn't see what MARS program you're affiliated with. Interesting read. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79 - Original Message ----- From: David <mailto:dalit...@bellsouth.net> Little To: digitalradio@ <mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS Andy, At leas one of our members has been in touch with the developer and made requests to simplify the cut and paste options of the text transfer. There have been numerous updates, and the text transfer has been updated to make it more adaptable for use to insert blocks of text for broadcast.
RE: [digitalradio] SCAMP and Cynicism? - Nope, no way.
Dave, It is a good start, but I am afraid the lines were drawn long ago, and the opponents are so emotionally involved that nothing would appease them. I would really expect the only thing that will satisfy would be the total abandonment from the amateur bands and 100% move to NTIA spectrum. All the restrictions that were in place so the software could be freely given to Amateur Radio operators to alllow them to better meet their emergency service obligations required to justify the spectrum they enjoy could be removed, and the Winlink Transport Layer could be allowed to operate flat out and no longer be impeded to meet the Amateur Radio requirements. It is looking ore and more like a win win situation. The end result, less Pactor on Amateur Bands, and far less need for amateur radio operators to assist served agencies in any kind of emergency, unless it is meals on wheels, or another support NGO that only services the emergency responders. I have tried many times in softer ways to hint at this dynamic in the past. Only the future will reveal the outcome. It would be a real shame to see the WINMOR protocol be releases and be a cost-efficient for any amateur operator to send data in the form of choice for those whom they serve in emergency, only to see that the Transport Layer had been taken away from Amateur Radio so it could be fully developed for the served agencies. As you know, you see less and less need for folks who make wood-spoked wheels for wagons, since rubber and steel became the norm for enclosing circular mobility enhancers. Contrary to the opinion many have on my comments, I am basically a voice guy. My involvement in digital modes is secondary, as I know that there is nothing to send until the intel can be gathered to send it,. Also the digital infrastructure has to be put in place in any disaster. The first 48 to 96 hours is usually a knuckle-graggers domain. By Knuckle-Dragger, I refer to what the voice guys are consider to be by the digital guys. I am a knuckle-dragger, who knows the importance of digital, and when it will come into play and what it is capable of. Are there any digital guys or gals out there that know the similar importance of the voice operations. This is were co-operation and interoperability are born. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:18 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] SCAMP and Cynicism? - Nope, no way. It is true that the long history of WinLink PMBOs QRMing in-progress QSOs has generated more than a little frustration and anger. Some small percentage of those so affected are alleged to have stooped to similar misconduct -- intentionally QRMing WinLink transmissions in revenge. Over the years, more than one WinLink proponent has stated here that given the anti-WinLink sentiment, that busy frequency detectors should not be incorporated in PMBOs because opponents would exploit them to impede WinLink operation. We must put an end to this situation, which means installing an effective busy frequency detector in each WinLink PMBO. Might this be exploited by WinLink opponents? Possibly, but only for a short while. An automatic station is far more patient than any human QRMer, and the elimination of perceived provocation will soon remove the motivation required to spend hours intermittently QRMing a frequency. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of WD8ARZ Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:11 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] SCAMP and Cynicism? - Nope, no way. Hello Dave, I was there during those scamp beta testing adventures too . and I remember that part of the evaluation. Various levels were played with, akin to a sensitivity level. Bottom line to me was that when the level made it 'work' ie, not transmit when the frequency was 'active', throughput dropped way back Remember those that would intentionally put 'activity' on the frequency to kick in the transmit control system so we had zero activity with scamp No cynicism involved at all, just the real world. 73 from Bill - WD8ARZ (Grateful for those who are doing for all of us what they do, giving us what we have today hi) - Original Message - From: "Dave AA6YQ" mailto:aa6yq%40ambersoft.com> com> To: mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules > > re "The Winmor implementation in PaclinkW (much to the dismay of the > naysayers) has busy channel transmit control enabled." > > I and others strongly encouraged Rick KN6KB to provi
RE: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS
Andy, At leas one of our members has been in touch with the developer and made requests to simplify the cut and paste options of the text transfer. There have been numerous updates, and the text transfer has been updated to make it more adaptable for use to insert blocks of text for broadcast. All the other functions of the BSR and FIX apply to the text function. If you were tasked with sending the participants of a net a rather intricate set of instructions, taskings, or specifications, and had to be sure each member had received it properly, you could spend a major part of an hour with requests for fills or repetitions, words phonetically, groups, or numbers. With easypal, you get what you get on the original transmission, and you send the BSR (Bad Segment Request) and the sending station sends the FIX file containing only those segments. Each member receives benefit of any bad block that they missed in a FIX file sent to another member, since it is a broadcast (non-connected) protocol. If you were involved in dial-up file transfer in the 80s, when text files were "captured" you will remember that it took as much time to capture a space as it did a letter. Transfer protocols were created the compressed ASCII on the fly to improve through put, I seem to remember J-modem, I-modem, y-modem and others that had the compression routines built in. I remember using a shell on ProComm Plus to allow choosing up to 14 different transfer protocols, dependent on the type of file you were transferring. I had at least 9 options available on the BBS I ran from the late 80s to the mid 90s. If Easypal can send a perfect high resolution picture in a 20K Wave file, you can imagine how small a 2 page document would be when converted to binary, data digitized into a wave file then sent in this manner to assure error-free reception. The repeater function allows the file to be sent to a central repository then retrieved individually by the members who could retrieve the file list. The program is getting very polished, and has great potential. I don't know if it is getting much exposure in all regions, but it is a valuable tool for the toolbox. As far as acceptance, MARS is a fairly diverse group of folks. Some are up in age, some are retired and homebound, some are fit and ready for deployment at the drop of a hat. Since there are requirements for continued membership, participation requirements, reporting requirements, requirements for pulling NCS and ANCS, requirements for NIMS compliance, now the requirement for a General or higher license Then you can see that the members have to meet certain obligations and benchmarks to continue to be a member. With this in mind, the program has some fairly receptive members, who wanted to go further in their service in, and understanding of the art of communications.. Most of them are quite willing to try something new. We haven't spent the degree of time on Easypal as we have with MT-63. But with each region having up to 10 one hour long nets scheduled each day, and each net has the requirement for some sort of training, and many members are uniquely qualified in one aspect of the training or another, it becomes fairly easy to see how a new mode can be introduced, explained, setup and operation help given, and results seen within the course of an hour and in an interactive manner in a disciplined net structure. Is MARS the silver bullet? Hardly. It has it's growing pains as much as any organization. In Amateur Radio, if there is a community that has 3 Amateur Radio operators, there will be 4 opinions on every subject and pretty soon there will be the need for 5 repeaters to be established so they can communicate with their "group". We all can key the Mic, but many times, as "communicators" we show that we can send out a signal, but actual communication is not often what results. The organized format of MARS, the requirements, continuous training, forward looking (not driving the car by only looking through the rear-view mirror), the disciplined net structure. All of these things help form a group that is dedicated to the art of emergency communications. Once that subset is created, most of the QRM is left behind, and they can concentrate on the task at hand. Overall, I am usually fairly happy to be associated with MARS. BTW, the General class or higher requirement was recently introduced, with the main purpose to allow interoperability with ARES, RACES and other Amateur radio groups. So we would sure like to see some organized effort for both groups to start working together. As usual, far more of an answer than you requested, but maybe some extra content slipped in that makes the big picture more visible. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien Sent
RE: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules
ment teams and assure their safe arrival or shadow their motion from one site to another. NTIA spectrum will be the long-haul backbone of RF communications by volunteer communicators. They have accepted the concept of wide bandwidth protocols, as they are already guarding every 3 KHz slice of their spectrum. A 2 KHz bandwidth mode still provides a guard band of 500 HZ on the top and bottom and still stays within the 3 KHz that is designated as a "Channel". With each assigned frequency, there is an USB and LSB choice, except when it caused the data to migrate into the Amateur band edges. It is actually well thought out. Why would a served agency want to rely on a communications provider that can't stop arguing long enough to move the traffic? I am in and out of this group as the tide tosses and turns, hoping to see some acceptance of the way things are going to be. I am still optimistic. In the mean time, I am still hedging my bets, and utilizing the spectrum that is available to me to explore new and better ways of getting the job done. As an aside, if you really want to see something that is slick, give Easy Pal a shot for sending text. Also ultra high resolution pictures with no scan lines that occupy 20KB of data on each end. 90 seconds to send or receive, with the ability to only request the individual blocks that weren't received properly to be sent again. We are also utilizing it in MARS. As I said, I am still optimistic, David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick W Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:09 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules David, The thing that I find particularly attractive about WINMOR is that it is an open sound card protocol and it can be used in three forms: 200 Hz, 500 Hz, and 2000 Hz modes. Putting this capability together with its automatic adaptibility for conditions, it may be the break though of the year for e-mail messaging. It will not require user knowledge of error correction and FEC, etc., since that will be done automatically, just like it was for the SCAMP mode a number of years ago. What it may not have is the emergency features that I see in PSKmail which is peer to peer messaging and chat along with ad hoc server deployment which can never be possible with Winlink 2000. Put the right protocol with the right solutions and you have a fantastic synergy not possible with any other protocol. I don't think that many of us can agree with you about new sound card modes not having a future on ham radio unless they are of a certain type. They just have to be the right protocol that solves an actual need. 60 meters is off the table at this point since you can not even use emergency data modes on those frequencies. What may die is Pactor modes. Having one protocol sourced by one foreign entity is not a good thing. Open source solutions are a good thing. Will many hams use and actually practice using NBEMS? Thus far I have had no luck in my local and regional area. But then again, I can not even get the NTS folks to consider digital messaging other than Pactor, HI. I don't have any interest in NTIA and no one in our area is much involved with non amateur emergency traffic. I suspect that many areas have the same situation. But I appreciate your comments and they are important issues to discuss. 73, Rick, KV9U Moderator, HFDEC (Hams for Disaster and Emergency Communications) yahoogroup David Little wrote: > Skip, > > I use FLARQ and FLDigi on the FT-2000 Data Management Unit, when I > boot it from Linux. > > It allows me to do digital modes without an external computer. The > DMU also is networked via Ethernet. > > I was looking at MT-63 2K with FLARQ when WINMOR was announced, but > since it was a 2K wide protocol, I never gave it any more > consideration, as it would just be treated as the same annoyance, just > with different tonal qualities. > > Winlink has no future on Amateur radio spectrum. > > Anything more complex than RTTY or BPSK has little future on Amateur > spectrum. > > Other than a small core of folks willing to take the time to learn > something about ARQ, FEC, redundancy, error correction, and what makes > up a dependable transport layer - There is little future of any > digital mode with the complexity necessary to be efficient in times of > need. > > I do wish you well. I applaud what you are doing, but you are playing > to a hostile crowd if you expect to deploy any digital mode more > complex than RTTY or PSK on the Amateur Radio Spectrum. No matter > what it is, what it sounds like, what it carries, where it is going, > or where it came from; it is "Automated" or &quo
RE: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules
Skip, I use FLARQ and FLDigi on the FT-2000 Data Management Unit, when I boot it from Linux. It allows me to do digital modes without an external computer. The DMU also is networked via Ethernet. I was looking at MT-63 2K with FLARQ when WINMOR was announced, but since it was a 2K wide protocol, I never gave it any more consideration, as it would just be treated as the same annoyance, just with different tonal qualities. Winlink has no future on Amateur radio spectrum. Anything more complex than RTTY or BPSK has little future on Amateur spectrum. Other than a small core of folks willing to take the time to learn something about ARQ, FEC, redundancy, error correction, and what makes up a dependable transport layer - There is little future of any digital mode with the complexity necessary to be efficient in times of need. I do wish you well. I applaud what you are doing, but you are playing to a hostile crowd if you expect to deploy any digital mode more complex than RTTY or PSK on the Amateur Radio Spectrum. No matter what it is, what it sounds like, what it carries, where it is going, or where it came from; it is "Automated" or "Common Carrier" traffic. Even the legitimate traffic on frequencies that amateur radio is the secondary user of; same thing; always "automated" or "common carrier". A very intelligent mantra, often used to describe legitimate traffic by the primary users. The Common Carrier and Automated crowd are really having a hard time dealing with 60m, and the majority of them haven't been able to find it yet As I have stated before, I will use the amateur spectrum to do the radio checks, and the NTIA spectrum to move the traffic. At present, I can handle the entire County EOC with one rig and antenna, while having another rig and antenna devoted to Voice operations. We have both Pactor III and Sound Card modes there, multiple rigs, multiple antennas and in the same room as the 911 operators and dispatchers. the EOC is a 5 second walk away in the same building, and I can run much of the station remotely from a VPN within the EOC complex. We have similar stations, with similar capabilities purchased for the 2 hospitals. I have a similar (only better) station at home; currently minus Pactor III, which I sold my SCS gear last year in anticipation of WINMOR. If I can pick up another SCS controller reasonable, I will add it back into my portable kit. We will have communications with the Air National Guard that will handle distribution to the POD sites, as well as the NECN (National Emergency Communications Network) which will give direct contact with FEMA, the State EMA and all the alphabet soup entities. Outside of that, traffic can be moved via voice on SHARES to the same entities, then by voice or digital on the MARS circuit, and locally via VHF to the amateur frequencies. We have licensed County police radio cars, as well as portable VHF stations with antenna launching kits to help with the local stuff until we can get the local amateur volunteers to relieve them to allow them to return to patrol. The County Police Chief, EMA Manager and EOC staff are all on board, and have funded the EOC station out of county funds. We are in the process of further training to merge their method of operations into the rules governing the amateur radio license that they must hold to operate one of the vhf stations. Out of the 50 we licensed last year, some are moving toward general.I also work with 2 TSA Hurricane Coast Airports in 2 states, where some of their employees have elected to get amateur licenses and join the MARS program. All the important traffic will be moved in binary format, properly formatted on NTIA spectrum. There is no common carrier or automated when it comes to NTIA spectrum. They are pretty much beyond that, and tend to concentrate on draining the swamp. I tried it on the Amateur spectrum, and found the alligators to be too much of a distraction. Again, I do applaud you efforts and really wish you the best. For the meantime, I will be working with the transport layer that is already in place, on spectrum that allows it to be utilized. If the Amateur community embraces NBEMS, we will add that compatibility into the setup. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kh6ty Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:48 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules > Except for the fact that PSK has no error correction, no compression, no > formatting capabilities and no way to accurately > know if the traffic was > delivered properly other than read back, your figures are fairly accurate. David, check out our NBEMS system at www.w1hkj.com/NBEMS Many of the modes in fldigi can also be used with our fla
RE: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules
Except for the fact that PSK has no error correction, no compression, no formatting capabilities and no way to accurately know if the traffic was delivered properly other than read back, your figures are fairly accurate. Fortunately, most Winlink traffic is moved on NTIA spectrum, where it is able to run full speed. I am not a large Winlink fan, but I do like 2K MT-63, and I am encouraged by the 2K WINMOR mode that is currently being tested. I don't suspect much development of the newer wide-and modes will be wasted on Amateur spectrum in the future, as most of the long haul and critical traffic transport seems to be migrating toward NTIA spectrum, and leaving the short-haul for VHF where wideband and closed-squelch operation are a given. It further divides Amateur Radio, but at least those who move to where their assistance is helpful can take advantage of modern technology. For keyboard to keyboard, where nothing more important than Call, QTH and 59 needs to be passed, BPSK is exceptionally spectrum efficient. It would be wonderful if a single piece of traffic could be moved on multiple BPSK streams in a parallel fashion. However, when you factored in the redundancy needed to provided error-free reception, I would wager the end result would consume wider bandwidth and take more time. But, for the 99% that the other 1% are defending by operating in the true interest of preserving the Amateur Radio Service, wideband digital modes are a waste of valuable DX or contesting spectrum. If it wasn't for DXing and contests, us Rabid digital dinks would never get the lawn mowed. :) And Amateur Radio is a "Big Tent" endeavor; when properly executed, provides something for everyone. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kh6ty Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:16 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules > " Moving traffic " IS NOT what 99% of hams want to do on > 20 meters working DX IS. > And this band is filled with stations doing just that. I think you are quit right, Bruce, and the Winlink 2000 network is probably currently the most efficient say of "moving traffic", but that interests less than 1% of the licensed hams in the US. A single 3 KHz-wide Pactor-3 channel can, under average good conditions, process about 400 wpm per minute, and this assumes the channel is busy all the time. In comparison, a single 3 KHz-wide "channel" can accomodate 30 PSK63 stations, all simultaneously sending traffic at 100 wpm, for a total of about 3000 wpm. Since the traffic on PSK63 can be passed in parallel, instead of serially, as on the Pactor-3 channel, the narrowband modes are obviously more efficient overall than a sngle Pactor-3 channel. 73, Skip KH6TY http://kh6ty. <http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net> home.comcast.net
RE: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules
I know some thought went into that reply, and that it has merit if we are only concerned with short-range communications. However, no matter how wide, narrow, thick or thin the emission, you cannot expect the same range on 1 1/4m as you can on 20m - so I am not sure the statement has any merit in this discussion. This discussion has little effect on some, who have long since vacated the Amateur bands for their serious use of digital signals for anything other than entertainment. However, for those who are limited to the Amateur Radio Service Spectrum, pragmatic consideration should be given to the position the regulating body is in when other services that may offer a tangible and beneficial service petition for the spectrum we enjoy. Could it be used to be more of a benefit to mankind with wider bandwidth emissions, which can improve both accuracy and speed in moving traffic that is also beneficial to mankind? What are the basic requirements for moving traffic? I seem to remember Speed and Accuracy to be a major part of the definition... It is all a relatively moot point... As the average age of the Amateur Radio Operator continues to increase, attrition will ultimately be the deciding factor. Consequently, I appreciate the merits of 2KHz wide digital modes, which are used daily on NTIA spectrum - and enjoy using the keyboard modes as a form of entertainment where bandwidth is limited. It does boil down to a question of if we appreciate the privileges of the use of the spectrum afforded to us, and how we show that appreciation. Many only consider it a right for their enjoyment, some look to a higher calling that may help preserve the spectrum for their grandchildren. Wider bandwidth digital signals as a vehicle for efficient long range traffic handling is an unavoidable fact. It doesn't matter how many temper tantrums are thrown, how many stress-related conditions are created by those who know how to spell "automated" and "common carrier". It is here, it will stay here, and it will be advanced to the point at any signal that meets the qualifications of providing 2 KHz of through put with a minimum guard band above and below it to prevent moving past the 3 KHz assigned to the channelized concept used in professional communications will be used by the less technical forms of transmitting that is afforded to the public. I don't much like being taxed into submission either. Neither do I like a lot of things that I must do in day to day life. The frog often wishes for wings. Some Amateur communicators will always fall back upon their comfort zone when faced with a new concept that doesn't square with what their grandfathers taught them. Maybe we would be a better service to mankind if we specialized in finding a way to send smoke signals without burning organic material or creating greenhouse emissions. That is a fairly narrow-band emission, and it would pay tribute to times gone by and also not be automated or considered common carrier. See, everyone could get their wish Cause and effect; what a concept... David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruce mallon Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:45 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Cc: wa4...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules Things go round and around Back 70 years ago the FCC band SPARK GAP because it was wide and interfered with other stations. CLEAN NARROW signals became the standard. With bands like 220 MHz sitting there dead one would think wide band on 20 meters would be the last thing we see. . --- On Thu, 3/26/09, kh6ty wrote: From: kh6ty Subject: Re: [digitalradio] No FCC data bandwidth limit on HF Re: USA ham rules To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:00 AM The short answer, as Steve Ford likes to say, based on the Cohen paper, is that the "necessary bandwidth" appears to be "roughly" twice the frequency shift, although an exact calculation is obviously very complicated. More importantly, with regards to the amateur radio service is the summary statement, "The necessary bandwidth is the minimum emission bandwidth required for an acceptable quality of service." It has already been concluded, after many months (even years!) of debate, that radio amateurs are "amateurs" and not "professionals" and do not have either the ability or the means to measure "necessary bandwidth" of their signals. Their communications are casual "amateur"communicat ions and not "professional" communications. If the "necessary bandwidth is the minimum emission bandwidth required for an acceptable quality of service" were to be codified into the radio amateur service regulation
RE: [digitalradio] THOR is static-proof (Re: KV9U - MT63)
I would like to remind all, if you are not already aware, to turn AGC off when static crashes are an issue. If you are fortunate enough to operate in a mixed mode net, turn it to fast, or for inland stations, medium. Slow recovery time of the rig in response to a strong signal cannot be corrected by a sound card protocol; no matter how robust. While we are at it, when using MT-63 at 1K long, keep in mind that most software hard codes a starting frequency of 500 Hz, and that is a 1.5Khz total width. It doesn't work well if you have your filters set for PSK, or a narrow-band mode. In running digital training nets for newcomers to MT-63, it is absolutely amazing how many ways can be found to lessen it's effectiveness; primarily due to not understanding where the signal is, where it is going, and how it is getting there. It took me a long time to factor out many of the common reasons it didn't work. That is one of the main reasons that PSK-31 is so popular; even a caveman can do it. (Sorry Geico; couldn't resist) David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:04 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] THOR is static-proof (Re: KV9U - MT63) Skip, >MT63-1000 has a -5 dB minimum S/N, but MFSK16 has a -13.5 dB >minimum S/N, so the static tests you made must be at signal levels >high enough that MT63-1000 decodes, which may not be a realistic >level. That is true. Fortunately, there are times when signals are above the decode threshold for the majority of modes. That gives us the chance to test the higher throughput modes to see what works in heavy static. >MFSK16 turned out (after three months of testing) to be the most >static-resistant mode of all That is interesting Skip. It did seem to do slightly better than THOR22 during n simulated tests. Did you see any advantage in throughput with MT63 during the static crash tests when signals were adequate? Tony -K2MO
RE: [digitalradio] Re: KV9U - MT63
Cortland, We also use it in Region 4, but mostly 1K long interleave. We have used 2k under good band conditions, and the speed is very impressive. We are also experimenting with the text transmission capabilities of Easypal. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cortland Richmond Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: KV9U - MT63 In MARS nets I've noticed MT63 2000 Hz with long interleave delivering surprisingly good performance. Here in Michigan Army MARS, we usually choose 1000 Hz long for normal training texts, but 2K for larger files. Cortland KA5S -Original Message- From: David Little Sent: Mar 21, 2009 8:56 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: KV9U - MT63 Also the redundancy of the FEC treatment in MT-63 allows it to give 100% accuracy with 25% loss of data. In actual use, Olivia will do better under worse conditions at a large loss of speed. Contestia attempts to bridge the gap, but MT-63 gives the highest accurate through put at the highest speed before going to an ARQ protocol. David KD4NUE
RE: [digitalradio] Re: KV9U - MT63
Also the redundancy of the FEC treatment in MT-63 allows it to give 100% accuracy with 25% loss of data. In actual use, Olivia will do better under worse conditions at a large loss of speed. Contestia attempts to bridge the gap, but MT-63 gives the highest accurate through put at the highest speed before going to an ARQ protocol. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:41 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: KV9U - MT63 Rick, > You have done the tests and found that MT-63 is not very good at > handling weak signals compared with other modes. It is less sensitive than others, but some of the most sensitive modes are not necessarily the best performers when conditions deteriorate. I think it's reasonably sensitive though. > Is you recent on air testing to determine that or some other parameters, such as > ability to handle interference, etc.? Not really. I pretty much know what to expect with MT63 because I've been using it since IZ8BLY first released it a long time ago. The most impressive thing about MT63 is how it seems to resist heavy static crashes. I made a few recordings with short segments of the signal removed to simulate this type of QRN and there was little effect on copy. It seems to withstand a lot more QRM than most and will usually print well with a good chunk of it's signal obliterated. There's a short video on this reflector in the file section showing how MT63 resists a combination of Pactor QRM and some fairly deep selective fading. > By the way copying both you near noise level, and Skip, KH6TY, a bit > stronger at S3-4. Tried to decode an earlier narrower mode but no luck. > Was it MFSK8? That was DominoEX4. Please give us a call next time Rick! Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New amazing JT65-HF
Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF] wrote: > > Andrew O'Brien skrev: > >> and of course the modes works well, here is my brief 80M monitoring around >> 0400 today >> >> Call #Times heard >> N9GUE3 >> W7YES7 >> ZS6WN3 >> N9DSJ10 >> >> Notice that South African was heard, >> >> Abdy K3UK >> >> >> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" wrote: >> >>> I was able to see JT65-HF V1.0 in action tonight. This software is so well >>> designed that I expect it to become the "app" of choice for HF JT65 >>> operators, especially new operators . It makes my Bozo's Guide to JT65A >>> totally obsolete ! This software is by Joe W6CQZ , check for information >>> about public releases (hopefully soon) at w6cqz.org >>> >>> Andy K3UK > And of cause the classical question from those of us who live in a > Micro$oft-free zone: Will there be a Linux version? > -- > Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter > > ** CW: Who? Me? You must be joking!! ** > email: peter(no-spam-filler)@frenning.dk > http://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm > Ph. +45 4619 3239 > Snailmail: > Peter Frenning > Ternevej 23 > DK-4130 Viby Sj. > Denmark > *** > > > Hi Peter...was chatting with Joe on the Logger about 3 weeks ago and he was working on a Linux version but had a major problem with the Windows version that he had to fix first... dont know which version Andy was using. im looking out for the Linux version too as i use Kubuntu 8.04 and not the Gates Principle 73 David VK4BDJ
[digitalradio] The 24-hour Feld Hell "Work all Europe" Sprint is this Saturday
With almost 2000 members the Feld Hell Club is looking forward to its second 24-hour Sprint, the goal this time to capture as many European countries as possible. DATE: March 21st TIME: Z - 2400Z MODES: All modes of Hell are allowed BANDS: All non-WARC bands are allowed EXCHANGE: RST, FH #, QTH (ONLY NEED TO GIVE GIVE COUNTRY UNLESS YOU ARE IN A U.S. TOWN WITH A EUROPEAN COUNTRY NAME.) POINTS (PLEASE READ - THEY ARE DIFFERENT THIS MONTH): 5 points for your first Hell QSO in each of the European DXCC entities. The complete list can be found at http://sites.google.com/site/feldhellclub/Home/contests 2 points for each subsequent Hell QSO with that entity. 2 points for your first QSO on each band with WW1FHC, the club callsign which will be operated by the February Sprint winner Art, WA7NB (see http://sites.google.com/site/feldhellclub/Home/contests for Art's tentative schedule of times & bands of operation) 3 points for your first QSO with a ham in a United States town, village, or city that has the same name as a European country (ex: Norway, IL). The complete list is at http://sites.google.com/site/feldhellclub/Home/contests 1 point for all other Hell QSOs (U.S., SA, Asia, etc...) Have fun, everyone! We wish you all good luck. David WB2HTO FH Club Contest & Web Manager cont...@feldhellclub.org
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Anti-Digital Hams
-Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christian Crayton Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:05 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Anti-Digital Hams --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Brent Gourley" wrote: > > But humans provided the emcom traffic to the machines, and the machines at > the far end of the communication deliver it to humans. Without the humans, > there is no "communication." I agree. What I was referring to are store-and-forward links where HF is used as a internet replacement, instead of a mode in which a human operator relays a message to another human operator. *** Efficient use of resources dictates that we use the mode efficient transport layer and delivery system. Using a repeater to spell the names phonetically of shelter occupants looking for family members in another shelter hardly makes sense, if there are working fax machines and telephone lines. This has nothing to do with the art of radio; it addresses the concepts of common sense and efficient operations. We are not only Amateur Radio Operators, we should be resourceful in our utilization of the tools available. Also, it is hard to relay a multi-part form (IS-213) via voice, when a binary format retains formatting... This is not in the realm of voice operations; sitreps, on the ground intel, real-time info gathering that fills the formatted form are the realm of voice ops. The two can co-exist. WL2K is not a store and forward system like packet networks were in the past. In the WL2K system, the traffic goes from point to central repository (with redundant storage), where it is directly retrieved by the addressee (or their assigned operator). The fear of more efficient transport layers will do more to destroy amateur radio than being resourceful and making use of available infrastructure. We are supposed to think on our feet; not fear technology. > For genuine, this-is-no-drill emcom, we should use the most effective mode > possible. Effective being the balance between speed and required accuracy. Again I agree. However, there is a distinction between this-is-no-drill emcomm, and the other 99.95% of the time that these automated messaging systems are just handling traffic that could be handled on the Internet. Please don't misunderstand me, I am not suggesting that these systems be shut down. I am not against email, Pactor or technology. I am concerned that the people who are creating the HF to Internet links don't really understand Internet security issues to know what they are doing. I am also concerned that these technologies will, if taken to the extreme, do significant damage to the art of radio. My opinions only, other opinions may vary. :) The other 99.95% of the time is spent making sure the system is a working piece of infrastructure during the .05% of time it is needed. It is a time in which new operators come on line and learn to be a part of the network, where system operators improve their system's effectiveness, where new methods of more efficient operations are tested and perfected, where the outgoing system operators are replaced by newer ones, or more remote areas come on line; which further increases the redundant appeal of the system. This is amateur radio; not Fear Factor. Why should we be so afraid of using newer technology to enhance or value to those we serve? I am primarily a voice operator. I spend time on the air improving my technique, time off the air improving my skillsand technical understanding. I am certainly a long way off from understanding everything, and the most important part of that statement is that I understand this limitation. Having said that, I don't include fear of emerging technology as a skill-set that is important to the continuation of the Amateur Radio Service. I also try to use as many of the digital modes as I am able to try. An emergency is no time to discover the inherit weaknesses of handling a served agency's traffic in a manner usable by them; via voice.. Some things just aren't compatible, and the quickest way to get uninvited from a disaster party is to dictate how the hosts require their info to be disseminated. We need to embrace the future, not fear it. It is the only way we will remain relevant. David KD4NUE
Re: [digitalradio] NTS Digital
Don't know where Dave Little is getting his info, but I can tell you that NTS Digital is very active on Pactor I, Pactor II and some Pactor III... I will mainly comment on Eastern Area NTS Digital which I am directly responsible for, but similar activty exists in both Central and Pacific Areas NTS Digital For Eastern Area we typically handle 10,000 to 12,000 messages a month We have 6 24/7 MBO stations, the rest are Digital Relay stations removing and sending NTS via these MBOs... Also liaisions and connections with the Central and Pacific Area MBO hubs. Questions wb2...@optonline.net 73 Dave WB2FTX Eastern Area Digital Coordinator- NTS Digital - Original Message - From: David Little To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] NTS Digital Rick, Army MARS is using MT-63 on mixed mode nets with some regularity. We also use Olivia when conditions warrant the slower speed of transmission. Easypal is also being used for picture transmission, as well as text broadcasts. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick W Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] NTS Digital Maybe some of you can help me with understanding the current digital state of the art with NTS. Recently, there have been some NTS yahoogroups formed for our region and the sections in that region. There is no digital presence at this time, however, at least one ham I knew in past years (now SK) was involved at some level, perhaps Pactor. At least one of the daytime region voice nets is struggling to survive. I suspect that CW nets are having some similar problems and if not, they surely will have as more CW competent OTs become SK. I don't see anywhere near enough new hams becoming proficient in CW and also having an interest in traffic handling. So I suggested that if there was any interest, maybe we could try using some of the new technologies that have only recently become available to us. That means either using an extremely robust mode such as Olivia which can compete with CW from some of my experiences, or using an ARQ mode with NBEMS or possibly Multipsk's FAE400. Eventually, it is possible that WINMOR may become available for peer to peer but that is likely far into the future from what they are saying. Are any of the NTS digital stations using sound card modes or are they staying with the NTS/D (actually the old Winlink system) and Pactor? Any recommendations, or even better, any actual experiences with getting area, region, or even section nets using some of the newer digital sound card modes? 73, Rick, KV9U -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00
Re: [digitalradio] NTS Digital
As an additional note... Most NTS D is using the various versions of Pactor and have the expensive SCS modems... There are some MBOs still runinng Pactor I with a PK-232 MBX... Most of at least Eastern Area NTSD MBOs are using Classic Winlink (ie. the versions before Winlink 2000) as we feel that RF forwarding of NTS is superior to internet forwarding and not subject to system outages during a disaster Some of the Digital Relay Station are using Pactor with Airmail to post and remove traffic from the MBOs... WE have not played with the typical sound card modes such as Olivia or MT 63, again primarily using Pactor with its error correcting abilities again it you want more info, please contact me wb2...@optonline.net. 73 Dave WB2FTX Eastern Area Digital Coordinator- NTS Digital - Original Message - From: David Little To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] NTS Digital Rick, Army MARS is using MT-63 on mixed mode nets with some regularity. We also use Olivia when conditions warrant the slower speed of transmission. Easypal is also being used for picture transmission, as well as text broadcasts. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick W Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] NTS Digital Maybe some of you can help me with understanding the current digital state of the art with NTS. Recently, there have been some NTS yahoogroups formed for our region and the sections in that region. There is no digital presence at this time, however, at least one ham I knew in past years (now SK) was involved at some level, perhaps Pactor. At least one of the daytime region voice nets is struggling to survive. I suspect that CW nets are having some similar problems and if not, they surely will have as more CW competent OTs become SK. I don't see anywhere near enough new hams becoming proficient in CW and also having an interest in traffic handling. So I suggested that if there was any interest, maybe we could try using some of the new technologies that have only recently become available to us. That means either using an extremely robust mode such as Olivia which can compete with CW from some of my experiences, or using an ARQ mode with NBEMS or possibly Multipsk's FAE400. Eventually, it is possible that WINMOR may become available for peer to peer but that is likely far into the future from what they are saying. Are any of the NTS digital stations using sound card modes or are they staying with the NTS/D (actually the old Winlink system) and Pactor? Any recommendations, or even better, any actual experiences with getting area, region, or even section nets using some of the newer digital sound card modes? 73, Rick, KV9U -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00
Re: [digitalradio] NTS Digital
Don't know where Dave Little is getting his info, but I can tell you that NTS Digital is very active on Pactor I, Pactor II and some Pactor III... I will mainly comment on Eastern Area NTS Digital which I am directly responsible for, but similar activty exists in both Central and Pacific Areas NTS Digital For Eastern Area we typically handle 10,000 to 12,000 messages a month We have 6 24/7 MBO stations, the rest are Digital Relay stations removing and sending NTS via these MBOs... Also liaisions and connections with the Central and Pacific Area MBO hubs. Questions wb2...@optonline.net 73 Dave WB2FTX Eastern Area Digital Coordinator- NTS Digital - Original Message - From: Rick W To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] NTS Digital Hi Dave, I have heard of the use of MT-63 for many years on MARS circuits, but don't think I had heard about the digital SSTV program being used. It makes tremendous sense since they are often involved in sending bulletins to their members. With one to many it is possible to have 100% ARQ with EasyPal although it is after the fact ARQ. A bit cumbersome, but practical for insuring a group receives exactly correct data. Unfortunately U.S. hams can not use mixed phone and text digital in the HF bands unless they are sending fax/image. Since most of the NTS traffic is short text messages, we can not do that in the phone areas, so we have to confine it to the RTTY/data portions. 73, Rick, KV9U David Little wrote: > Rick, > > Army MARS is using MT-63 on mixed mode nets with some regularity. > > We also use Olivia when conditions warrant the slower speed of > transmission. > > Easypal is also being used for picture transmission, as well as text > broadcasts. > > David > KD4NUE > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00
Re: [digitalradio] NTS Digital
Also NTS Digital is using the various modes of Pactor, primarily Pactor I and Pactor II Many of the six MBOs in Eastern Area NTS D have the fancy SCS Modems although a few are still restiricted to Pactor I using the old PK-232 MBX... For the most part the MBOs run Classic Winlink (i.e the versions before Winlink 2000) as we prefer to forward via RF as opposed to internet We used to run AMTOR and Clover but gave those modes up...The reason we don't use a mode such as Olivia or MT 63 is because we prefer the error correction of a burst mode such as Pactor... The Digital Relay Stations that connect to our MBOs again are running Pactor but many of them are using Airmail Eastern area NTSD averages typically 10,000 to 12.000 messages a month. 73 Dave WB2FTX Eastern Area Digital Cooridnator- NTS Digital - Original Message - From: Rick W To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] NTS Digital Hi Dave, I have heard of the use of MT-63 for many years on MARS circuits, but don't think I had heard about the digital SSTV program being used. It makes tremendous sense since they are often involved in sending bulletins to their members. With one to many it is possible to have 100% ARQ with EasyPal although it is after the fact ARQ. A bit cumbersome, but practical for insuring a group receives exactly correct data. Unfortunately U.S. hams can not use mixed phone and text digital in the HF bands unless they are sending fax/image. Since most of the NTS traffic is short text messages, we can not do that in the phone areas, so we have to confine it to the RTTY/data portions. 73, Rick, KV9U David Little wrote: > Rick, > > Army MARS is using MT-63 on mixed mode nets with some regularity. > > We also use Olivia when conditions warrant the slower speed of > transmission. > > Easypal is also being used for picture transmission, as well as text > broadcasts. > > David > KD4NUE > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00
RE: [digitalradio] NTS Digital
Rick, Army MARS is using MT-63 on mixed mode nets with some regularity. We also use Olivia when conditions warrant the slower speed of transmission. Easypal is also being used for picture transmission, as well as text broadcasts. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick W Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] NTS Digital Maybe some of you can help me with understanding the current digital state of the art with NTS. Recently, there have been some NTS yahoogroups formed for our region and the sections in that region. There is no digital presence at this time, however, at least one ham I knew in past years (now SK) was involved at some level, perhaps Pactor. At least one of the daytime region voice nets is struggling to survive. I suspect that CW nets are having some similar problems and if not, they surely will have as more CW competent OTs become SK. I don't see anywhere near enough new hams becoming proficient in CW and also having an interest in traffic handling. So I suggested that if there was any interest, maybe we could try using some of the new technologies that have only recently become available to us. That means either using an extremely robust mode such as Olivia which can compete with CW from some of my experiences, or using an ARQ mode with NBEMS or possibly Multipsk's FAE400. Eventually, it is possible that WINMOR may become available for peer to peer but that is likely far into the future from what they are saying. Are any of the NTS digital stations using sound card modes or are they staying with the NTS/D (actually the old Winlink system) and Pactor? Any recommendations, or even better, any actual experiences with getting area, region, or even section nets using some of the newer digital sound card modes? 73, Rick, KV9U
RE: [digitalradio] The Basics On WINMOR
Andy, It is a soundcard ARQ mode. It will allow a more economical way to access the Winlink 2000 system, and give a higher through-put than Pactor 1 There will probably be other uses, but I believe that to be the prime reason for it's development. I don't know the nuts and bolts of it, but it has a lot to do with taming the timing cycles needed for a soundcard to negotiate a ARQ connection and handle binary (compressed) data. In the past, there was too much overhead for this to be done with a sound card on a Windows machine; other than for SMS Text-Based messaging. The above is probably a poor explanation of what it is and what it does, but I think it captures the intent. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:00 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] The Basics On WINMOR I am a member of the WINMOR reflector and I am encouraged by the author's intentions. However, since I have avoided Pactor and used thinks like AirMail and Winlink very little over the past couple of years, I am not sure just what the intended beta use of WINMOR will be. I have seen the explanation but it implies knowledge of the current P3 emcomm system, can someone break down what they are expecting from WINMOR OTHER than it being a soundcard based mode ? Andy K3UK
RE: [digitalradio] on another note
John, You have confirmed what others already know about P3. I sold my PTC IIex last year, when the Winmor protocol was announced to be in development. It should introduce an ARQ mode to compete with P3, but will not replace it. I had the SCS in a go kit with either a Yaesu FT-897D or and Icom IC-7000, manual antenna tuner, switching power supply, sound card interface, USB to 8 Serial port converter, communications speaker and sometimes an auto tuner. http://www.se-hams.com/html/emcomm1.html That go kit has also found it's way into the Netcomm Magazine, as well as World Radio in the past year. It allowed me to setup remotely, string a dipole (actually put a furniture moving pad on top of the car and a tripod to be a center support, with ends staked to ground) in NVIS configuration. Then, the best demo was to send email (actually SMS messages) to various volunteers (read unbelievers) cell phones. For spice, I could include the location, time and frequency to show how unlikely it would be for me to connect to a RMS at that time of day, on that band, covering that distance. When this got boring, I substituted the rig for an Icom IC-703+ and lowered the maximim operating potential to 10 watts. With that combo, I could connect to around 80% of the RMS stations that I picked based on time of day, frequency and distance. I know there will always be folks that will not accept P3 within the amateur spectrum. It is a real shame, because it could really make the Amateur Radio Service stand out in an emergency with serious loss of infrastructure. As it is, the Winlink system is really concentrating on the MARS services and direct to the served agencies on NTIA spectrum.One major catastrophe, and the lack of the amateur community to move high volume traffic over long distances may bring unexpected consequences if the Amateur Radio Service is evaluated as compared to the MARS services. The jury is still out on that. But, as you have stated, P3 does an amazing job of connecting and moving data at much higher than expected speeds under the worst of conditions. Add the ability to utilize binary (compressed) format with attachments of which the size limit can be controlled on the fly by collaborating with the RMS operator, or event specific, routing formats, and priority determination by subject line... You end up with a protocol that can move a served agency's traffic in the format that they are accustomed to using, to be retrieved by the intended agency, using their WL2K system; already in the EOC, or their agencies support group. Winmor and P3 will serve side by side in the RMS stations in the near future; bringing the best of both worlds. But, when speed, accuracy and ability to cut through the worst of conditions are the criteria on which success is determined; P3 will still come out on top. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [ <mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Bradley Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:48 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com; hfl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: multi...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] on another note - S N I P - Over the past couple of weeks I have been testing a SCS PTC2 usb modem with a pactor3 license, and have come away amazed and humbled by what this thing can do. It is faster than ANYTHING else I have tried, including RFSM8000, and works further into the weeds than anything else I have tried. I have connected to a RMS station midday close to 1000 miles away on what I would call a "dead" band. I have connected to RMS stations at least 500 miles from me on 80M well into mid morning, and resumed these connections by about 3PM , still when nothing else could be heard on the band. I had in the past heard the claims that this modem would work 10db into the noise. At the time my reactions was "yah,right!!!" but it really does. If you have a chance, try it out . So my thinking has undergone an abrupt change of direction, from using soundcard modes with internet access, to using P3 for primary links and sound card modes for the last mile or so.. and would like to hear other opinions.we all know the givens about pactor: the modems are expensive, the operators insensitive, proprietary hardware and software etc etc. but how could this mode be incorporated with current soundcard software? John VE5MU
[digitalradio] FELD HELL SPRINT THIS SATURDAY
Even though the third Saturday of the month is a week after the holiday, we're still going to celebrate with this three-hour Sprint celebrating Valentine's Day. DATE: February 21st TIME: 1700 Z - 2000 Z MODES: All modes of Hell are allowed BANDS: All non-WARC bands are allowed EXCHANGE: RST, FH #, QTH (ONLY GIVE STATE, PROVINCE, COUNTRY UNLESS YOUR TOWN IS LISTED BELOW...) POINTS: We're back to the traditional point system of 3 for a each member QSO, 1 for a non-member QSO. You get contact points for a QSO with the same ham on a different band. MULTIPLIERS: 1 for each state, province, or country. You do NOT get multiplier points for a QSO on different bands, only contact points above. BONUS POINTS: 1) 200 points goes for your first QSO with any ham in a town anywhere in the world named either Valentine or Cupid. See list below. 2) 100 points for your first QSO with a ham in France, Uraguay, Australia, Brazil, Cuba, or Suriname (countries where a town named Valentine or Cupid is located) Max 100 points per country. 3) 25 points for your a QSO with a ham in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, or Virginia (states in which a town named Valentine or Cupid is located.) Max 25 points per state, 425 total bonus points 4) 200 points for your first QSO on each band with the club callsign WW1FHC, which will be used by Harry, K7GQ, who earned 2nd place in the January Sprint. Harry is in Hawaii which is why the high bonus number this month. (Art, WA7NB, was our 1st place finisher, but is unable to do the test, so we pass the honor to Harry) More details at http://sites.google.com/site/feldhellclub/Home/contests Good luck everyone! David WB2HTO FHC COntest Manager
[digitalradio] Re: Fldigi ARQ mode .... what have I missed/ not done ?
Graham wrote: trying to connect to g4wgt using olivia 250 x 8 as the > > mode Olivia cannot be used as the transport mode for flarq unless the timeout values in flarq are set to their maximums. Even then it is highly likely that the digital effect of doubling will occur. Please try to limit your use of flarq to those modes that appear on the "Mode/NBEMS" menu item. These have been tested and are known to work very well with the flarg implementation of ARQ. 73, Dave, W1HKJ
[digitalradio] MFTTY
Where has all the activity gone ? david/wd4kpd
[digitalradio] The 24-hour Feld Hell Sprint is this Saturday
>From Z to 2400Z January 17th, the goal is to Work All States in Hell. And when it's over, you can use our easy on line autologger to submit your scores. All the rules are on the Feld Hell Club web site at http://sites.google.com/site/feldhellclub/Home/contests (This page also lists all upcoming Hell Sprints through August.) Here's a bonus: working in Hell counts towards your TRIPLE PLAY Award from the ARRL (http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2009/01/08/10550/?nc=1) So from all of us in the Feld Hell Club, we hope to see you in Hell this Saturday! David WB2HTO Feld Hell Club Contest Manager
[digitalradio] ID
just a thought would it be a good thing for digital mode programmers/developers to hardwire an id into the data stream in order to help track down intentional qrm ? david/wd4kpd
[digitalradio] The first 24-hour Feld Hell Sprint on January 17th
It's 24 hours of pure Hell (Z to 2400Z January 17th), with the goal to Work All States. And when it's over, you can use our easy on line autologger to submit your scores. All the rules are on the Feld Hell Club web site at http://sites.google.com/site/feldhellclub/Home/contests This page also lists all upcoming Hell Sprints through August. Hope to see you in Hell! David WB2HTO Feld Hell Club Contest Manager
