[digitalradio] QRSS Stitcher and QRSS Stacker

[Steinar Aanesland]

 Hi all,

If you are playing with QRSS, I think you will find this project
interesting. I certainly do.

http://www.swharden.com/blog/

LA5VNA Steinar

Re: [digitalradio] MixW2.20 first reaction

[Steinar Aanesland]

 "A true Multi-Mode Program for the serious Digital Communications
Amateur". Well, well..
la5vna Steinar






On 05.09.2010 16:07, Andy obrien wrote:
> Hmmm, NO RS ID?  AT least I have not found it, very disappointing.
>
> Olivia modes taken out altogether, or do you need to go through some
> laborious adding of special DLLs to get Olivia like we used to for
> Contestia) ?  Opps, just found them, under "extra modes".  yes, you do have
> to download the DLLs, what an odd extra step.  At least you don't have to
> look all over the internet, easy to download  them know.
>
> It seems MFSK is limited to MFSK 16 .
>
> PSK appears limited to PSK31,  63,  and 125.  I thought Mixw used to also
> support PSK 250 and 500.
>
> Good additional Packet support.
>
> Hell is there,  as is SSTV, Throb. Pactor 1, MT63, FAX,  and RTTY.
>
> No THOR , DominoEx, JT65A,  ALE 141 or ALE 400.
>
> No report to PSK Reporter feature
>
> No multi channel decode feature that I could find.
>
> Looks like to enhancements to the Dx Cluster page, but still mostly web
> clusters.  There is a basic Telnet option as in past versions.
>
> The "interface detection " feature is an intriguing idea but I suspect it
> only detects interfaces MixW have business partnerships with.  It said it
> could not detect any interfaces at my station despite a Microkeyer hooked
> up.
>
> Waterfall appears capable of displaying up to 8 kHz of spectrum (Not sure
> that is new,  but it is nice)
>
> Still looks very nice , easy to set up, got 95% of modes people are most
> likely to use , or ever need.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM, g3vfp  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have added the file to my software download page if anyone is having
>> problems getting it elsewhere.
>>
>> http://www.g3vfp.org/download.html
>>
>> Located in the multimode section.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>  
>>

Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63

[Steinar Aanesland]

Great ! I am down to about 10w now. Are you still copying me Robert ?


la5vna S


On 25.08.2010 22:47, Robert Bennett wrote:
> Hi Steinar
>
> I copy you 100%. in IO81.  No 'fine tuning' necessary.
>
> Can't reply.  Not set up to Tx on 80
>
> 73 Robert G3WKU
>
>
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
>
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am calling  cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now .
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>

Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I am calling  cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now .

la5vna Steinar



 

On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote:
> I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just 
> to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be 
> active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his 
> software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the 
> sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets? 
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Good USB sound card ?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi

I am also using Signalink USB.


I works great on all types of digi mode; ALE, ALE400 , Winmor, mfsk,
olivia, etc


la5vna Steinar






On 12.08.2010 00:01, Raymond Lunsford wrote:
> Yes,use Signalink USB.I've got one works great,K4YDI.
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:04 PM, graham787  wrote:
>
>> Looks like theRDX-150-EF  has been  dropped
>>
>> any ideas on a 'good'  usb card for  data  use ??
>>
>> Tnx - G.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Steinar Aanesland]

 OK, Thanks for your answer :)

LA5VNA Steinar



On 03.08.2010 07:06, Tony wrote:
> Steinar,
>
> I've been monitoring ROS on-the-air and I've done some testing with the 
> HF path simulator. In my opinion, it's about as good as one would expect 
> from an MFSK mode with a relatively slow baud rate. Tests show that it 
> will outperform RTTY and PSK31 in poor channel conditions (most MFSK 
> modes do) but it does not appear to be as robust as Olivia.
>
> For example, it is less tolerant to Doppler spreading than Olivia so 
> it's less likely to do well when the ionosphere disturbed. This is 
> especially true for polar paths and the low-latitude ionosphere where 
> Doppler spread is more of an issue.
>
> While the mode performs well over HF, the additional bandwidth doesn't 
> appear to have any throughput advantage over other modes that use less 
> spectrum. In fact, path simulations indicate that there is no difference 
> in throughput between ROS 500/16 and ROS 2250/16.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Steinar Aanesland]

 OK, is it public ? I can't find anything on digitalradio yahoogroup

LA5VNA Steinar




On 02.08.2010 12:58, Tony wrote:
> On 8/1/2010 7:31 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty ,
>> olivia etc?
>>
> Yes I have Steinar
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Steinar Aanesland]

 Hi Tony

Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty ,
olivia  etc?

la5vna Steinar






On 20.07.2010 03:42, Tony wrote:
> All,
>
> With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it would
be interesting to see how the narrow mode compared to the wide version
under the controlled environment of the HF path simulator. After a few
hours of testing, it seems there's little difference between the two.
>
> The simulator indicated that they both had the same sensitivity
(-15db) and essentially the same poor channel performance
characteristics (see throughput samples below). In no case did one mode
outperform the other to the point where it would make any real
difference; both have the essentially the same wpm rate as well.
>
> These tests are not conclusive, but they do suggest that there may not
be any real advantage in using the wide mode vs narrow under most
circumstances. Of course, the simulator can only emulate the basic
characteristics of the real HF channel so it would be interesting to
hear from those who have compared the two on-air.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
> 
>
> CCIR-520-2 POOR CHANNEL SIMULATIONS: -11DB SNR
>
>
> ROS 2250 / 16 baud
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazlµog
> Lghe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quccirown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> Âe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fealoeumps ovahe lazEh/i
>
> ROS 500 / 16 baud
>  the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick breFn fox juo3s over tes lazy dog
> the quæe  t ´uls r?umps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown f Á jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogQo
>

Re: [digitalradio] TARA 2010 "Grid Dip PSK-RTTY Shindig" Contest

[Steinar Aanesland]

Another rtty contest. Will this never end..

la5vna S



> On 30.07.2010 02:31, Tony Heatwole wrote:
> > The Troy Amateur Radio Association (TARA) is pleased to announce the 8th
> > annual running of its "Grid Dip PSK-RTTY Shindig" contest on 7
August 2010.
> > Please see http://www.n2ty.org/seasons/tara_grid_rules.html for contest
> > details. This is a unique HF (plus 6 meters) contest combining Grid
Square
> > multipliers and PSK-RTTY.
> >
> > 73, Tony Heatwole, N3FX
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ros clusterspots

[Steinar Aanesland]

;)

la5vna Steinar



On 25.07.2010 15:34, pd4u_dares wrote:
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Siegfried Jackstien" 
>  wrote:
>> Now newest version 484 sends correct qrg even if you use no cat
>> Thanks jose
>> Dg9bfc
>> sigi
>>
> the gun with the silencer on it now shoots on target... what a news...
>
>

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

 Hi Laurie


Great link! Thanks :)

La5vna Steinar




On 25.07.2010 09:07, Laurie, VK3AMA wrote:
> Yes Dave,
>
> Apart from my test PC virus/malware protection, whenever there is a
> change in an executable or dll I run them through an online scanner
> (20MB file limit) here  http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/
>
> It runs the submitted file through 19 different scanners, with the
> occasional false-positive on one or two. Results of the scans are shared
> with the anti-virus companies.
>
> The site generates a permalink for each file that allows you to
> distribute the scanning results to whomever.
>
> Just ran the 3 executables through the site
>
> Cluster.exe
> 
>
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/7142b3c4c3e3076d5f55aa826a272678a67d1cbb
>
> PSKReporter.exe
> 
>
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/b8e275b738f1634bcc24fa081b1a83eb27e1289c
>
> ROS v4.8.4 Beta.exe
> 
>
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/e6e6238fb976a46d4db4dae564d59c5f2757ab73
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> On 25/07/2010 1:29 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
>> 
>>
>> Has anyone checked to see whether the ROS code contains a keylogger,
>> trojans, or a rootkit?
>> 73,
>> Dave, AA6YQ
>>
>

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

Aha, this switch was not implemented in the version 4.8.2 that I was
testing.

la5vna Steinar



On 24.07.2010 16:23, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Iin the tab skets click on cluster
>
> There you can send spots manually and switch off the autospotting
>
> I let the newest version run for a few hours >>> not autospots were sent
> when switch was off
>
> You can send autogenerated and in downloaded newest version the switch is
> set normally to on . so as the users do not switch it off (or using old
> version) there is the reason for the soft still sending spots
>
> So all users should manually switch that function off ! ! !
>
> Psk reporter sends to the map
>
> Cluster sends to telnet
>
> Ros sends on air and the emails via gmail
>
> As the autospot can now be switched off we have what we wanted ..
>
> What about an autospot configurable by user (only send spots more than
xy km
> distance)
>
> Hope you find that switch hi hi
>
> Greetz
>
> Sigi
>
> Dg9bfc
>
>

Re: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Siegfried

I can't find this switch, where is it hiding?


LA5VNA Steinar




On 24.07.2010 10:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Autospot can now be turned off with a switch
>
> Spotting by hand is possible
>
> So jose did some major changes in that way
>
> Now we have 2 programms running in background of the soft ros
>
> One sends spots to cluster via telnet
>
> And the other sends spots to psk reporter page for display them on a map
>
> Greetz
>
> Sigi
>
> Dg9bfc
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

[Steinar Aanesland]

 Hi Laurie

I have been running the latest version of ROS in a sandbox monitoring
its network behavior with the software "SmartSniff" from  Nirsoft
http://www.nirsoft.net over a period of 2 hours.

ROS was constantly sending information to PSKReporter , but never to the
Cluster.

But I believe you if you mean it still spams the Cluster and that is
really sad :(

LA5VNA Steinar






On 24.07.2010 00:21, Laurie wrote:
> Hi Steinar,
>
> Unfortunately, v4.8.2 of ROS still spams the DX Cluster with auto-spots.
>
> Only way to effectively stop is block adif.exe at the firewall.
>
> ROS Auto-Spots too Cluster currently represent 98% of all ROS Cluster
spots, with ROS representing 6.2% of all Cluster spots (7 day period).
>
> As far as I can tell, ROS software is the only Digital-Mode software
that doesn't allow the user to turn off auto-spots (to either
PSKReporter or Cluster) or allow user-selection of Cluster. The user is
not given any choice. All the other software developers are more
Ham/Cluster friendly. :(
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> On 24/07/2010 2:35 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It seems that the latest ROS is not spamming the cluster.
>>
>> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>
>
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all,

It seems that the latest ROS is not spamming the cluster.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS vs RTTY

[Steinar Aanesland]

All the QRM makers operating on three fixed frequencies, what a Lovely
Thought

la5vna Steinar



On 18.07.2010 16:29, g4ilo wrote:
> And the hundreds of people who take part in the major RTTY contests
would all operate on three fixed frequencies how, exactly?
>
> Julian, G4ILO
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well, "old" modes like rtty has its charm, but as the ultimate contest
>> mode it makes more trouble for the ham community when it is flooding the
>> hole band, than "fix frequency" modes like ROS.
>>
>> The only problem with ROS is its developer, with his strange behavior.
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS vs RTTY

[Steinar Aanesland]

Well, "old" modes like rtty has its charm, but as the ultimate contest
mode it makes more trouble for the ham community when it is flooding the
hole band, than "fix frequency" modes like ROS.

The only problem with ROS is its developer, with his strange behavior.

la5vna Steinar










On 18.07.2010 06:10, la7um wrote:
>
>
> Wow Steinar. This really tells the true story about your (and mine)
love for RTTY (stoneage/museum,power wasting,polluting KW) KAANTEST
MODE. TTY was created for cables, not radio, I believe. Hi.
> la7um Finn
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Despite the massive criticism, this fascinating ROS guy has now released
>> a new version of his software.
>>
>> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Sorry Buddy, but I have to admit, I find ROS more interesting than
>> anachronistic contest mode like RTTY.
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14.07.2010 22:59, F.R. Ashley wrote:
>>> Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and
>> pages
>>> of emails about it?  Remember that other new digital mode a few months
>> ago,
>>> and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already?
>>>
>>> 73 Buddy WB4M
>>> RTTY forever
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
>>> To: "* Digitalradio" ; "*
>> ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:45 PM
>>> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS Returns
>>>
>>>
>>>> ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..
>>>>
>>>> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>>>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>>>
>>>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS v4.7.4 Beta

[Steinar Aanesland]

Despite the massive criticism, this fascinating ROS guy has now released
a new version of his software.

http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/

Sorry Buddy, but I have to admit, I find ROS more interesting than
anachronistic contest mode like RTTY.

la5vna Steinar










On 14.07.2010 22:59, F.R. Ashley wrote:
> Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and
pages
> of emails about it?  Remember that other new digital mode a few months
ago,
> and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already?
>
> 73 Buddy WB4M
> RTTY forever
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
> To: "* Digitalradio" ; "*
ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:45 PM
> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS Returns
>
>
>> ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..
>>
>> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: AW: [digitalradio] Some Cluster Stats - ROS auto-spotting

[Steinar Aanesland]

Humm, he really do everything he can to become popular.

la5vna Steinar





On 16.07.2010 10:05, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Some sysops of clusters did this .. And jose changed the clusters in his
> soft and takes other clusters for upload
>
>  
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Some Cluster Stats - ROS auto-spotting

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi

Is it possible for the administrators of these Cluster Nodes to filter
out ROS spots on their servers ?

la5vna Steinar




On 16.07.2010 04:39, Laurie, VK3AMA wrote:
> FYI
>
> I ran some sql over the database at HamSpots which carries 7 days of
> Cluster spots.
>
> ROS Software Auto-Spots run at over 95% of all ROS mode spots.
>
> Data from from www.HamSpots.net/ros/
>
> Cluster Spot Summary:
> --
>48,261 : Total Cluster Spots
> 2,886 : Total ROS Spots
> 5.98% : Percentage ROS Spots
>
> ROS AUTO Spot Summary:
> --
> 2,886 : Total ROS Spots
> 2,764 : Total AUTO Spots
>95.77% : Percentage AUTO
>
> Cluster Node Counts:
> --
>   175 : US6IQ-1
>   492 : 9A0CSI
>   483 : 9A0DXC
>   366 : UA4CC
>   220 : SM4ONW-14
>   469 : SM0RUX-6
>   322 : SK3W-6
> 5 : SM6YOU-2
> 7 : SM7GVF-6
>   100 : BG2RVL-9
>43 : BD5RV
>46 : BA2IA-2
>36 : 9H1LO-1
> --
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[Steinar Aanesland]

Not the latest , but I will ;)

la5vna Steinar



On 15.07.2010 21:29, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Hello steinar
>
> Did not have the time yet to try
>
> I use the old 1.0 with a firewall
>
> That works okay
>
> Did you try the newer versions with sandbox???
>
> Greetz
>
> Sigi
>
>  
>
>
>   

Re: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Siegfried

Do you get the sandboxie software working ?


la5vna Steinar




On 15.07.2010 20:59, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Bigger ? yes . making MORE trouble hi hi
>
> Better? No . as the mode is not changed and the frontend is also not changed
>
> The only change is that now you can not use it without the spotting
>
> If you block the inet access of the adifdata (the spotsender) the program
> will close after a while
>
> So not better . I would say worst
>
>  
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] New question

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Rain

I meant on this forum ;)

la5vna Steinar

 


On 14.07.2010 18:20, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Hello Steinar,
>
> It is gaining in usage and popularity. 
> Even the spam messages do not seem to make a difference.
> I for one, thought it would, wrong again!
>
> Amateur Radio a la 2010
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>   
>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>> Sent: Jul 14, 2010 10:58 AM
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New question
>>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>> I don't know about you , but I feel it is time to leave Jose and his ROS
>> mode now.
>> He doesn't deserve that much attention.
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14.07.2010 12:06, Dave Wright wrote:
>> 
>>> Wasn't that part of the infamous fake FCC response that Jose posted on his 
>>> website?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rein A wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Noticed this statement in a report of an exchange with a custom
>>>> agent at FCC:
>>>>
>>>> "ROS is not "Spread Spectrum" because the 3khz HF standard channel is
>>>> maintained. Other modes like MT63, Olivia o[r] Contestia use similar
>>>> techniques."
>>>>
>>>> I do not know who wrote it.
>>>>
>>>> What is the problem with it?
>>>>
>>>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> K3DCW
>>> www.k3dcw.net
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>   

[digitalradio] ROS Returns

[Steinar Aanesland]

ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..

http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/

S

Re: [digitalradio] New question

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hello friends,

I don't know about you , but I feel it is time to leave Jose and his ROS
mode now.
He doesn't deserve that much attention.

la5vna Steinar







On 14.07.2010 12:06, Dave Wright wrote:
> Wasn't that part of the infamous fake FCC response that Jose posted on his 
> website?
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rein A wrote:
>
>   
>> Noticed this statement in a report of an exchange with a custom
>> agent at FCC:
>>
>> "ROS is not "Spread Spectrum" because the 3khz HF standard channel is
>> maintained. Other modes like MT63, Olivia o[r] Contestia use similar
>> techniques."
>>
>> I do not know who wrote it.
>>
>> What is the problem with it?
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>>
>>
>> 
> Dave
> K3DCW
> www.k3dcw.net
>
>
>   

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA?

[Steinar Aanesland]

I have been followed this character Ros from the start. Sorry to say ,
but I'm not surprised at all . This fits in with his odd but fascinating
personality. 

LA5VNA Steinar


On 12.07.2010 23:38, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> I was begging onb my knees that jose will Stopp the autospotting cause
that
> made a lot of trouble
>
> I said that we all should stop the adif in a firewall . maybe THAT will
> bring jose to think
>
> But if he has made a decision there is almost no way to change his
thoughts
>
> I do not know if boycott will help . but stopping adif is boycott on the
> spots .
>
> 
>
> 
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Aother US fake call ( station )

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Rein

I think we have enough to assume that there is something fishy with this
guy and his software.

I admit that odd characters like Mr. Ros is fascinating, and it has been
exiting to investigate his back door software,
but I will leave it for now until his next release. Then we will see
what new "Trojans" he has hidden in to it ;)

la5vna Steinar



 



On 11.07.2010 20:23, Rein A wrote:
> Perhaps some body with the right tracking capabilities can research
> the path of this message.
>
> There has been no propagation over the last couple of hours between SM6
> and California.
>
> It looks to me there are more questions here than just  blaming
> the ROS software, Though I can be wrong as I often am.
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Re : testing confirms ROS,,,,,,,,,,,

[Steinar Aanesland]

G.. you are a really funny joker

S




On 11.07.2010 16:59, graham787 wrote:
> Well  Mel
>
> Lets  Just hope  Spain wins  the  world  cup 
>
> G .. 
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "raf3151019"  wrote:
>   
>> Well, would you believe it ! So what happens now ?
>>
>> Mel G0GQK
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

[digitalradio] Prevent ROS from sending spots

[Steinar Aanesland]

I don't care if Mr. ROS will be angry on me, but here is another way of
blocking this "back-door" software. You can use a sandbox and run ROS in
a totally isolated environment . Here is a great software made by Ronen
Tzur: http://www.sandboxie.com/

Sandboxie is free and easy to use, but remember to block out Internet
access like this: -From the menu choose: Sandbox/Defaultbox/Restriction/
"Internet  Access" and choose "Block all Programs" .

A nice thing with Sandboxie is the "terminate function" . When  ROS
thinks it has taken control over your computer , the only thing you have
to do is to terminate all programs in the sandbox. Then ROS is gone and
your system is clean.

LA5VNA Steinar




 

On 11.07.2010 01:54, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
>> Hi All,
>
>> I have used ROS for a while now and use the following tips to improve my
> chances of a QSO:
>
>> - Turn off cat control. The program allows you to select any mode if it
> can't determine the frequency you are on.
>> - Use a different rig control program. I use HRD as it enables me to
> control the rig much better than omnirig and I can link in the logbook as
> well.
>> - If conditions are such that you can use 8 or 16 2250Hz, then you can
> probably communicate using a number of other modes. My location
suffers from
> a fair >amount of QRM so having the filters wide open for the 2250
modes is
> close to a waste of time.
>> - For the hard to decode signals, 4/500 seems to be king. Being in
ZL, the
> only 'neighbours' are VK's so anything else is a long way off.
>> - Definitely use the filtering on the rig (if available) on 4/500. My
> experimentation has shown that filters vs no filters is a no brainer
in poor
> conditions. I have an >Icom IC-7000 so I can tailor the filter response to
> suit ROS 4/500.
>> - Small frequency drifts will drop sync very quickly. I have tried to
> change the RX frequency in slow 1 Hz steps once sync has occurred and
every
> time I lose >sync.
>> - The in-built S/N message is too long for 4/500. I am now starting to
> abbreviate to -11/-18 where the first is signal and the second is margin.
>> - Keep up to date with the programs. Jose tends to churn out regular
> releases
>
>> 73's
>> Gary
>> ZL3GH
>
> And another one from me:
>
> If you do not want that ros sends spot to a cluster > just ad a free
> firewall to your pc and forbid the adif exe to connect to the net
>
> Software runs as you have no internet access like being on a fieldday . so
> the software runs fine without the autospotfunction
>
> As the email sending is done from the ros software itself you should allow
> that if you wanna send the emails to respond to a received emailadress
>
> If you just wanna use ros without autospot AND without emailsending
you can
> switch the emailfunction in the software to off (click on I have no
internet
> access)
>
> Surely jose will be angry on me for that tip BUT that seems to be the only
> solution till he does delete that autospotting ! ! !
>
> I hope that he does not reinvent the mad house (people know what I
mean) and
> puts my call in it for that tip
>
> He should better ask us hams what we need and not do what he thinks we
need
>
> Dg9bfc
>
> Sigi
>
> 
>
>

[digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Steinar Aanesland]

//What a charming guy..

la5vna
 

On 11.07.2010 01:05, Laurie, VK3AMA wrote:
> from his website
> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/ros-and-cluster/
>
> Jose says...
>
>   
>> ROS uses a system that send reports to the DX Cluster automatically.
>>
>> This is useful to know who are listen you and the  system is done so as not 
>> to saturate the cluster (only send some spot).
>>
>> If you are not agree with this function that help to the communication, 
>> don’t use ROS software.
>> 
> Interpret that as you want.
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> 
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>   





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Re: AW: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

ROS v4.6.2 Beta.exe

la5vna Steinar



On 10.07.2010 19:52, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Which version?
>
> Sigi
>
>  
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Rein, when I am are reading  "LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN tnx fer ROS QSO", I
am not getting upset, only sad . It doesn't matter if this is a
"standard message", it is a fake one. Mr. Jose has abused my call sign.
He is trying to make it look like that I have been in a QSO with UX1CN.
This is totally unacceptable, but I am not surprised. I am not expecting
anything else from the Mr. Jose .

la5vna Steinar



On 10.07.2010 18:36, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Steinar,
>
> Your station did not copy ON3JMD with S/N - 23 dB on another frequency 14.103 
> - 122 or 115?
> while ON3JMD was using the ROS Mode ( this is the PR part by Jose ) 
> It is probably a standard message, I would not get upset about it.
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi again

Let me make this simple Rein.

On the cluster I read this :




LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD   copy ROS Mode -23 dB




I have NOT been on 14103 AND I have NOT written "copy ROS Mode -23 dB"

The ROS program PRETEND to be me.

LA5VNA Steinar

 






On 10.07.2010 17:25, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Hi  Rein
>
>
> I am not sure what you mean.
> My radio was NOT sending,  only receive when I was out shopping.
>
> The ROS program pretends that I ,in person, am typing this message on
> the cluster.
> This is pirate behavior.So simple is that.
>
> la5vna Steinar
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On 10.07.2010 16:40, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>> Steinar,
>>
>> I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at  14.112
>>
>> because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?
>>
>> I do not think this fake or am I wrong?
>>
>> You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
>> and receiver or?
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>>> Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU
> 
>>> Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>>> and went shopping.
>>> When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the
> cluster:
>>>
>>>
>>> LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB
>>> 1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO 
>>> 1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>>> LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test
>>> 1228 10 Jul   Italy
>>> LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS  
>>> 1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode
>>> 1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>>> LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB   
>>> 1122 10 Jul   Germany
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode
>>> 1059 10 Jul   Spain
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test,   
>>> 1049 10 Jul   Poland
>>> LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73 
>>> 1032 10 Jul   Spain
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test,   
>>> 1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode
>>> 0956 10 Jul   Spain
>>>
>>> Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency
> too.
>>>
>>> This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>>>
>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi  Rein


I am not sure what you mean.
My radio was NOT sending,  only receive when I was out shopping.

The ROS program pretends that I ,in person, am typing this message on
the cluster.
This is pirate behavior.So simple is that.

la5vna Steinar




 


On 10.07.2010 16:40, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Steinar,
>
> I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at  14.112
>
> because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?
>
> I do not think this fake or am I wrong?
>
> You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
> and receiver or?
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>> Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU

>> Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>> and went shopping.
>> When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the
cluster:
>>
>>
>> LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB 
>> 1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO  
>> 1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>> LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test 
>> 1228 10 Jul   Italy
>> LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS   
>> 1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode 
>> 1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>> LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB
>> 1122 10 Jul   Germany
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode 
>> 1059 10 Jul   Spain
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test,
>> 1049 10 Jul   Poland
>> LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73  
>> 1032 10 Jul   Spain
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test,
>> 1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode 
>> 0956 10 Jul   Spain
>>
>> Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency
too.
>>
>> This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>>
>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[digitalradio] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
and went shopping.
When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:


LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB  
1233 10 Jul   Belgium
LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO   
1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test  
1228 10 Jul   Italy
LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS
1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode  
1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB 
1122 10 Jul   Germany
LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode  
1059 10 Jul   Spain
LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test, 
1049 10 Jul   Poland
LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73   
1032 10 Jul   Spain
LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test, 
1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode  
0956 10 Jul   Spain

Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.

This is nothing more then pirate behavior..

LA5VNA Steinar

Re: [digitalradio] How ROS is auto-spotting to the Cluster.

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Laurie

This is exactly the same as I have discovered. Thanks for writing  this
in an understandably English ;)

la5vna Steinar






On 09.07.2010 04:55, Laurie, VK3AMA wrote:
> While researching ROS cluster spots arriving at HamSpots.net via the 
> Cluster, I have discovered how the ROS software is auto-spotting to a 
> list of nodes that may be of concern to the Node Sysops.
>
> The following Node addresses are hard-coded in the software.
>
> dxc.us6iq.com
> dxc.ham.hr
> 9a0dxc.hamradio.hr
> remo3.renet.ru
> cluster.sk4bw.net
> ax25.org
> sk3w.se
> sector7.nu
> sm7gvf.dyndns.org
>
> ROS software establishes a connection at startup using your callsign and 
> varies which node it connects to, not always the same node.
>
> When a qso is logged  a spot is auto generated (there is no option in 
> ROS to turn this off that I could find) and the text of the spot is 
> changed based on another hard-coded list of messages. This is obviously 
> done to give the impression that the spot is sent from a human (unlike 
> the past flooding of the network, same text and same node).
>
> ***
> No where in the ROS FAQ or User Guide is this behaviour documented.
> ***
>
> I ran ROS in RX mode today, after a callsign was decoded, I hit the log 
> button and it sent a spot to the cluster without permission with my name 
> and call thanking the other station for the QSO.
>
> A quick review of recent ROS spots shows the same listed nodes being 
> used and similar style comments.
>
> What other surprises are hidden in this software?
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Steinar Aanesland]

Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein.

Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English.
Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate list,  but what to test the
software i RX mod. You are using a fake call sign to get the software is
working.
When you are starting the software it connect it self to a cluster via
telnet using the fake call sing, and all your logging are sent to the
cluster.

la5vna Steinar




On 08.07.2010 22:04, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Hello Steinar,
>
> Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and then
> from there end up at the  HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls 
> in 
> transmissions? 
>
> Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on 
> the 
> Twente WEBSDR! 
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
> -----Original Message-
>   
>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>> Sent: Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM
>> To: * Digitalradio 
>> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>>
>> Hi Rain
>>
>> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>> cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>> browser and you get this:
>>
>> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>>
>> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
>> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
>> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
>> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
>> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>> Keep-Alive: 115
>> Connection: keep-alive
>>
>> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
>> this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
>> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
>> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>>
>> I hope this is understandable .
>>
>>
>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rein
>>>
>>> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
>>> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
>>> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
>>> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
>>> activity in real time .
>>>
>>> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
>>> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
>>> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>>>
>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>
>>>   
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>>   
>>>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>>>
>>>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>>>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>>>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
>>>> 
>>> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>>>   
>>>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>>>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>>>
>>>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
>>>> 
>>> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
>>> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>>   
>>>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
>>>> 
>>> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>>   
>>>>
>>>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>   

[digitalradio] Fwd: Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] HAMSPOTS the final word

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hoho, world champion in typo. Here is what I was trying to explain:


Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sign . When people is
banned to use this software they are using a fake call sign . This fake call
sign is then sent to the cluster when people are in RX mode.



I hope the is better...

LA5VNA Steinar





 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] HAMSPOTS the final word
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 21:26:30 +0200
From:     Steinar Aanesland 
Reply-To: rosdigitalmodemgr...@yahoogroups.com
To: * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 


Hi Rain

You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
browser and you get this:

login: GET / HTTP/1.1

Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 115
Connection: keep-alive

Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign


-


Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.

I hope this is understandable .


LA5VNA Steinar












On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>
> Hi Rein
>
> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
> activity in real time .
>
> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>
> LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>
>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>
>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>
>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>
>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>
>>
>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>
>>
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Rain

You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
browser and you get this:

login: GET / HTTP/1.1

Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 115
Connection: keep-alive

Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign


-


Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.

I hope this is understandable .


LA5VNA Steinar




On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>
> Hi Rein
>
> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
> activity in real time .
>
> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>
> LA5VNA Steinar
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>
>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>
>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>
>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>
>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>
>>
>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters

[Steinar Aanesland]

It is a shame . There is only one thing to do -take back these
frequencies by running other modes when they are free

73 de la5vna Steinar



On 06.07.2010 18:08, pd4u_dares wrote:
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Siegfried Jackstien" 
>  wrote:
>   
>> If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in
>> the software
>>
>> 
> Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you 
> ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a 
> frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. 
> Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf 
> ears (and deaf antennas)
>
>
>   

[digitalradio] QRM maker on 14.078 CF

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

DK4XI-20 has changed from 14.078 CF to 14.091 CF.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar



On 26.06.2010 21:27, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>
> Hi Jon
>
> The jammer on 14.078 is DK4XI-20 . This PSKmail server is operated by
> DK4XI. Rolf Behnke.
> Email: dl0...@intermar-ev.de 
>
> He has not responded to my complain.
>
> LA5VNA Steinar
>
> 
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: QRM maker on 14.078 CF

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Jon

The jammer on 14.078 is DK4XI-20 . This PSKmail server is operated by
DK4XI. Rolf Behnke.
Email: dl0...@intermar-ev.de  

He has not responded to my complain.

LA5VNA Steinar

 


On 25.06.2010 13:10, jon_g4fut wrote:
>
> I copied the following this morning from the station causing QRM on 14.760
> <<2010-06-25T11:07Z RTTY @ 14076+2027>>
> PA2ALK;11Ih628u 5.37217;/Y;2010-06-24 12:11:00; Anchored in Hayes Reef
> Is PA2ALK its callsign?
> Jon
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "jon_g4fut"  wrote:
>>
>> He is wiping out the weak JT8 and JT65 signals.  Is there no way to
contact him?
>>
>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> No, he is still on 14.078 sending his WX reports.
>>>
>>> la5vna Steinar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24.06.2010 14:31, Warren Moxley wrote:
>>>> was anyone successful in getting him to move to 14.100 and up?
>>>> de Warren / K5WGM
>>>>
>>>> --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Sean Gilbert, International Editor - WRTH
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Sean Gilbert, International Editor - WRTH 
>>>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] QRM maker on 14.078 CF
>>>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 2:59 AM

Re: [digitalradio] QRM maker on 14.078 CF

[Steinar Aanesland]

No, he is still on 14.078 sending his WX reports.

la5vna Steinar




On 24.06.2010 14:31, Warren Moxley wrote:
> was anyone successful in getting him to move to 14.100 and up?
> de Warren / K5WGM
>
> --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Sean Gilbert, International Editor - WRTH 
>  wrote:
>
> From: Sean Gilbert, International Editor - WRTH 
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] QRM maker on 14.078 CF
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 2:59 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>   
>
>
> 
>   
>   
>   I also noticed this signal yesterday, very strong here in the UK. I 
> have to
>
> admit this is the first time I have heard it but that may simply be because
>
> I have not been on 14076 at the times it has been active. Surely a station
>
> such as this should be further up the band, around 14100 where the rest of
>
> the mailboxes and the like seem to be (avoiding 14.100 though as some of us
>
> do actually use the beacons there!). That PSKMail station certainly ruined a
>
> few QSO's and made the top end of the JT65 activity centre quite useless (I
>
> am loathe to say 'sub band' or 'allocation' as that is simply not true - it
>
> is neither) . 
>
> --
>
>          
>
> 73 de 
>
> Sean Gilbert 
>
> G4UCJ - G4001SWL - SWLR-ZN018 
>
>  
>
> Buckingham, Bucks. IO92MA 
>
> Email: sean.gilb...@o2.co.uk 
>
> Web: http://www.hfradio.org.uk 
>
>  
>
> TXR: IC756pro 
>
> RX2: Racal RA1792 
>
> ANT 1: Wellbrook ALA1530 @ 3m agl 
>
> ANT 2: 10.5m OCF dipole @ 10m agl 
>
> 30MDG: #0464; #0463L; EPC: #008L; #015L; NDG# 0163 CDG: #150 
>
> DMC: #016SWL; #017SWL; #990; PODXS 070: #139
>
>
>
> 
>  
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> 
> 
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>  
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>   
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>   

Re: [digitalradio] QRM maker on 14.078 CF

[Steinar Aanesland]

 
Thanks Andy

I have send the operator of this PSKMAIL server a complain
for destroying my qso with his unattended system.

la5vna Steinar



On 23.06.2010 03:10, Andy obrien wrote:
> I suspect this is a PSKMAIL server you are seeing .  PSKmail has a
> weather bulletin option.  Probably DK4XI-20. that station is listed as
> a server on the frequency you mentioned and is listed as using PSK250
>
>
>   
> Andy K3UK
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Mike Blazek  wrote:
>   
>> I've been hearing it off and on for the last couple of weeks as well
>> (hearing it right now in fact), but not getting full decodes with
>> MultiPSK. However, I'm seeing enough to confirm that it's marine WX
>> reports - seems to be mostly for the East Coast of the US.
>>
>> Mike N5UKZ
>>
>> On 6/22/2010 4:45 PM, Tony wrote:
>> 
>>> Steinar,
>>>
>>>   
 What kind of unidentified station sending WX reports on 14.078 cf in
 BPSK250 mode? This station has no busy detector. It does not care if the
 frequency is in use or not :( la5vna Steinar

 
>>> I've noticed the same thing here.
>>>
>>> Tony -K2MO
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>   

[digitalradio] QRM maker on 14.078 CF

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all,

What kind of unidentified station sending WX reports on 14.078 cf in
BPSK250 mode? This station has no busy detector. It does not care if the
frequency is in use or not :(

la5vna Steinar

[digitalradio] JT64A on 14.076

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi All

Here is a small log from Norway

73 la5vna Steinar



221400 512  2.7 -288  2*  CQ DL2RMM JO612   0  
221500  7  -15 -1.9 -508  2*  CQ TF3HZ HP94 2   0  
221600 786  2.4 -288  2*  CQ DL2RMM JO612   0  
221700  4  -19 -1.2 -515  2*  CQ TF3HZ HP94 2   0  
221800 370  1.9 -289  2*  CQ DL2RMM JO612   0  
221900  6  -16 -0.5 -512  2*   

224800141   11  2.4 -391  2*  CQ DL2RMM JO612   0  
224900 27   -3  1.2 -390  3*  DL2RMM VE3ODZ FN032   0  
2250001119  2.7 -391  3*  VE3ODZ DL2RMM 2   0  
225100 26   -4 -1.2 -390  3*  DL2RMM VE3ODZ -03 2   0  
2252001048  0.5 -391  3*  VE3ODZ DL2RMM 2   0  
225300 31   -2  0.7 -390  3*  TU JENS 732   0  

230300131   10  2.2 -230  2*  CQ DL2RMM JO612   0  
230400 26   -4  1.2 -390  3*  TU REIN 732   0  
230500125   10  2.4 -230  2*  CQ DL2RMM JO612   0  

023000 23   -5 -0.8  348  2*  CQ WB5NMZ EM622   0  

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Rein

let's forget about this "Mr. Ros without manners" and his new a Yahoo list.

There is a lot of decent programmers out there, making excellent HAM
software.  Mr. Ros is not worth the attention he and he's
frequency-hopping spread spectrum software is getting.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar









On 02.06.2010 01:38, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> Please tell me what do you mean?
>
> Yahoo list(s)? It is very easy to get of a Yahoo list. 
> ( I think and hope. )
> Have changed the some 25 lists I am on often, delivery format etc.
>
> Also have never experienced this dictatorial action on a Yahoo List
> so far.
>
> As far as Mr. Ros is concerned there was a time not long ago,
> that I tried to defend him, Thought, he was misunderstood even
> when attacking good decent amateurs. Thought it was the language.
> Offered to skype with him. English is not my native Language.
> I have a flexible EU English skill and under stand English with
> a French, Swedish, German, Dutch, accent, you name it no problem.
>
> Others did warn me, but the idiot I am, did not believe them.
>
> So developed a pretty strong skin by now.
>
> Where did this happen" Facebook?
>
> Well you ask Mr. Ros a question he does not like or gets to close to
> the bone, you get it. Verbal, lawyers, Interpol
>
> I was warned by a very nice Cuban professor, I don't know on what terms
> he is or was with Mr. Fidel Castro, before he stepped down. 
> This professor speaks Spanish probably a few more languages and very good 
> English, 
> I do not, unfortunately, but that might have been the reason for me to be 
> that slow 
> in understanding all this.
>
> Right from the beginning, I warned Mr Ros about the IARU beacons on 14.100 
> kHz.
> Reason for the first conflict situations with Mr ROS. Long before the many of
> the present ROS users were aware of Mr. ROS
>
> A Mr. Ros has no manners whatever.
> B Mr. Ros has not even the most basic skills of dealing with people.
> C Mr. Ros has no idea, what amateur radio is ( no big deal really )
> D Mr. Ros might not be straight with the users of his program.
>
> The way Mr. Ros behaves indicates to me that he has other interests than
> providing a program, being it very nice, free to the amateur radio community.
>
>
> Users might not care about that angle, I do not either as a matter of fact
> but I think it might explain things.
>
> Without a doubt we all will get to learn this over time.
>
> I have been trying to help us ( US amateurs ) in using ROS Modem.
> If Mr ROS had any concern in this regard, he would fix the problem and
> write a paper that we could present to our licensing agency.
>
> Mr ROS woud have trouble talking to that agency. Telling us that
> he had been in touch with that agency
>
> Thanks for your comments and nice words, John.
>
> I know it is so boring and OT.
>
> ( And Dave (G0DJA ) is your spam bin sufficient empty )
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>   
>> From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>> Sent: Jun 1, 2010 6:51 PM
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>>
>> Rein
>>
>> Don't take it personal.
>> For some reason even I got on his bad list.
>> I did ask but never got an answer.
>>
>> Not sure but I think someone has been feeding bad info to him.
>> Think he was told that I has said something that I really did not 
>> or it was misunderstood.
>>
>> John, W0JAB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Opposing 60M proposal

[Steinar Aanesland]

Trevor, thanks for your answer. 

Is it posible to monitor the content of a WINLINK transmission? 
As fare as I know the WINLINK data is compressed. I have never been able to 
monitor WINLINK with my SCS TNC.

la5vna Steinar

 


On 11.05.2010 10:56, Trevor . wrote:
> The discussion regarding Pactor III has relevance to earlier discussions on 
> this list concerning a new mode. 
>
> Whether you like Pactor III or not it's clear the FCC permits US amateurs to 
> use it and they regard the level of documention available on it to be 
> adequate. 
>
> I suspect the only concern of the FCC like other regulators regarding new 
> modes is not the documentation but whether they can either buy a unit or 
> freely download a software executable that enables them to monitor the 
> content of the transmissions. 
>
> 73 Trevor M5AKA
>
> --- On Tue, 11/5/10, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>   
>> Hi Andy
>>
>> Are you allowed to use a proprietary mode on the HAM band
>> in US? In
>> Norway we are not.
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>> 
>
>
>   
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Opposing 60M proposal

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Andy

Are you allowed to use a proprietary mode on the HAM band in US? In
Norway we are not.

la5vna Steinar


On 11.05.2010 03:18, Andy obrien wrote:
> FYI, I plan to file a comment opposing the PIII on 60M proposal.  My
> objections are
>
> PIII is a proprietary mode .
> PIII as used in non-busy detect Winkink system has  been the leading cause
> o

[digitalradio] ROS on 500 kHz

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Trevor!

In Norway we have to use software with publicly available open standard
protocols.
The ROS developer doesn't have to publish the source code, but he has to
explain in detail how ROS works.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar



On 02.05.2010 17:23, Trevor . wrote:
> Hi Steiner,
>
> I didn't understand your remark about being unable to use ROS in Norway.
>
> Could you clarify why you can't use it.
>
> 73 Trevor M5AKA
>
> --- On Sat, 1/5/10, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>
>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] FIRST QSO ON 500KHz USING   ROS  30 April
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 19:14
>>
>> Pity it is a proprietary software . I can't use it in
>> Norway.
>>
>> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01.05.2010 15:32, graham787 wrote:
>>> FIRST QSO ON 500KHz USING   ROS
>> 30 April
>>>
>>> First qso  on 500  KHz using ros , G0NBD
>> and  G4WGT , initially using  500/16 and then eme
>> , reducing tx power , the level  that the  eme
>> mode started to fail was in technical terms `just
>> silly'  reducing the  tx to  3
>> watts  carrier  power then  via a 20 dB
>> attenuator  down to  30  mW to  a 35 ft
>> top loaded Ae that  needs round  50/75
>> watts  to  produce 100 mW  erp , ie approx
>> 500 : 1  reduction  …….. reception 30
>> miles away  by a  similar Ae , then  produced
>> 100 % copy  , depending on local noise level …
>>>
>>> Later in the  evening , M0BMU called G0NBD
>> at  500/8  , a range of 200  miles , then
>> follower at  100% qso  over  some
>> 30  mins  ending  round  0010
>> local  time , one final tx  at 500/16 was
>> also  100% decode , even in deep  QSO , to
>> the  point of no audio  from the
>> speaker,  the  mode remained in lock and kept
>> printing , each station  running  100  watts.
>>
>>>
>>> Outstanding  mode Jose !
>>>
>>> 73 – G ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "spots" all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo!
>> Groups Links
>>
>>
>> digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] FIRST QSO ON 500KHz USING ROS 30 April

[Steinar Aanesland]

Pity it is a proprietary software . I can't use it in Norway.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar





On 01.05.2010 15:32, graham787 wrote:
> FIRST QSO ON 500KHz USING   ROS  30 April 
>
> First qso  on 500  KHz using ros , G0NBD and  G4WGT , initially using  500/16 
> and then eme , reducing tx power , the level  that the  eme mode started to 
> fail was in technical terms `just silly'  reducing the  tx to  3  watts  
> carrier  power then  via a 20 dB attenuator  down to  30  mW to  a 35 ft top 
> loaded Ae that  needs round  50/75  watts  to  produce 100 mW  erp , ie 
> approx 500 : 1  reduction  …….. reception 30  miles away  by a  similar Ae , 
> then  produced 100 % copy  , depending on local noise level … 
>
> Later in the  evening , M0BMU called G0NBD  at  500/8  , a range of 200  
> miles , then follower at  100% qso  over  some  30  mins  ending  round  0010 
> local  time , one final tx  at 500/16 was also  100% decode , even in deep  
> QSO , to  the  point of no audio  from the  speaker,  the  mode remained in 
> lock and kept printing , each station  running  100  watts. 
>
> Outstanding  mode Jose !
>
> 73 – G .. 
>
>
>
>   





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Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: Dragon Link

[Steinar Aanesland]

Sorry, posted in wrong group

la5vna Steinar



On 09.03.2010 19:13, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Jose
>
> If you think this is fun then you have a very huge problem.
>
> LA5VNA S
>
>
> On 09.03.2010 14:52, jose alberto nieto ros wrote:
>   
>> The question would be:  can Dragon Link work for EME operation?
>>
>> If the answer is YES, then Dan Henderson will tell you Dragon Link is 
>> illegal.
>>
>> If the answer is NO, then Dan Henderson will tell you Dragon Link is legal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> De: Glenn L. Roeser 
>> Para: rosdigitalmodemgr...@yahoogroups.com
>> Enviado: mar,9 marzo, 2010 14:44
>> Asunto: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Dragon Link
>>
>>   
>> In recent weeks there has been a lot of talk about the legality of ROS in 
>> the United States. This morning I received this from a friend.
>> My question is this: Is Dragon Link legal?
>>
>> http://www.terranov a.net/~winger/ RCVideoStore/ DragonLink/ DragonLink. htm
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>   

[digitalradio] Fwd: Dragon Link

[Steinar Aanesland]

Jose

If you think this is fun then you have a very huge problem.

LA5VNA S


On 09.03.2010 14:52, jose alberto nieto ros wrote:
> The question would be:  can Dragon Link work for EME operation?
>
> If the answer is YES, then Dan Henderson will tell you Dragon Link is illegal.
>
> If the answer is NO, then Dan Henderson will tell you Dragon Link is legal.
>
>
>
>
> 
> De: Glenn L. Roeser 
> Para: rosdigitalmodemgr...@yahoogroups.com
> Enviado: mar,9 marzo, 2010 14:44
> Asunto: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Dragon Link
>
>   
> In recent weeks there has been a lot of talk about the legality of ROS in the 
> United States. This morning I received this from a friend.
> My question is this: Is Dragon Link legal?
>
> http://www.terranov a.net/~winger/ RCVideoStore/ DragonLink/ DragonLink. htm
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Beta testing PSKmail 1.0

[Steinar Aanesland]

Well..
la5vna

On 07.03.2010 14:34, Andy obrien wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Rein Couperus  wrote:
>   
>>
>>
>> java runs even on windoze
>>
>> the server needs a proper OS. :)
>>
>> Rein PA0R
>> 
>
>
>
> Nice way to put it :)
>
>
> Andy K3UK
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Beta testing PSKmail 1.0

[Steinar Aanesland]

windoze ?? Is it a linux clone ?

la5vna S



On 07.03.2010 10:44, Rein Couperus wrote:
> Beta tests are under way for PSKmail 1.0
> ==
> This new release takes PSKmail to its next logical step.
> The  PSKmail 1.0 digital communication system  is largely mode-independent. 
> Both uplink- and downlink modes are separately adapted to fit he channel 
> conditions in such a way that efficient use of the channel is guaranteed.
> In the PSKmail client/server system, the server controls timing and Rx/Tx 
> modes. To enable this, fldigi has been extended by VK2ETA to report avarage 
> Signal to Noise ratio values and Mode changes during a session.
> The PSKmail protocol was extended to carry SNR values and mode indexes. Using 
> this information the server can control the modes so that on both sides of 
> the communications link the number of ARQ repeats is kept within certain 
> limits. 
> The system uses PSK500, PSK500R, PSK250, MFSK32, THOR22, MFSK16 and THOR8, 
> and a mode is shifted up and down the table when appropriate. 
>
> Intelligent RSID control
> ==
> The PSKmail server also controls the RSID function on client and server. When 
> idle, the server usesRxID. As soon as a session is established, the server 
> closes RxID and uses TxID to make sure theclient is listening in the right 
> mode. This is only necessary when a mode change is involved, so normally no 
> time is lost on unnecessary RSID frames... 
>
> Limiting repeats to loose less time...
> 
> As soon as more than one ARQ repeat is necessary the server degrades the mode 
> by one step, to make sure the client gets the next one correct. 
> The server constantly monitors the channel quality both ways, and also uses 
> ARQ success to decide on mode upgrades.
> Using this system allows fast and flexible response to QRM like ALE sounding 
> or Pactor connect requests trying to take over the channel while a session is 
> in progress. The system just waits until the ordeal is over and carries on 
> with the session...
>
>  Using new Fldigi-3.20
> =
> PSKmail 1.0 only works with Fldigi-3.20, which has the new support features 
> for PSKmail built in.
> A client upgrade to jPSKmail 0.4.9.9 (beta) is also necessary, and the server 
> version with the new goodies built in is pskmail_server-1.0 (at the moment 
> alpha2). 
> The new client beta is available for experimenting and beta testing on 
> http://hermes.esrac.ele.tue.nl/pskmail ,
> SM0RWO has provided installers for windoze, Linux and Mac. 
> The server test software runs on PI4TUE, SM0RWO and IS0GRB-3 on 10147.0 kHz 
> (center frequency).
> The new server image can be found on 
> http://hermes.esrac.ele.tue.nl/pskmail/alpha
> Fldigi-3.20 can be found on http://www.w1hkj.com/beta 
>
> New parameter for fldigi
> ===
> To use PSKmail 1.0 a new parameter has to be set in 
> fldigi->Configure->Misc->Pskmail:
> Set 'Report ARQ frames average S/N'.
> Set both the initial server and client modes to the PSK500R default to start 
> with.
>  If a connect is not possible you could try MFSK32 or MFSK16 to call the 
> server. 
> Once the session is established, both modes will change to fit channel 
> conditions... 
>
> After beta testing, the client will get version jPSKmail 0.5, commemorating 
> the first PSKmail email exchange between KH6TY and PA0R, from a parking lot 
> near le Havre, France, now 5 years ago!! 
>
> I hope you have as much fun testing this as I had... 
>
> 73, Rein PA0R
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] More on FCC contacts

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hello Rein

As I have told you before , there is something fishy going. Lets forget
about this ros/josh thing and go back to modes like olivia, ale400 and
jt65. Ros/josh gives me creeps.

la5vna Steinar




On 07.03.2010 02:32, Rein A wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I found this on the VHF reflecor in the US:
> by Bill Pasternak WA6ITF.
>
> WA6ITF is or was publishing an Amateur Radio Newsline and
> had contacts in the agency due too his present ot previos
> work ( Radio & TV broadcasting )
> In thr past I havebeen in contact with him about translating
> German amatuer radio news items.
>
>  73 Rein W6SZ
>
>
>
(...)

Re: [digitalradio] Re: IF someone PURPOSELY has tried to mislead me

[Steinar Aanesland]

Agree Andy

la5vna Steinar




On 07.03.2010 00:49, obrienaj wrote:
> I disagree , the software seems good to me...the person is the issue.
>
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "pd4u_dares"  wrote:
>   
>> PSE react to the software, not the person Julian...
>>
>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Amador"  wrote:
>> 
>>> El 05/03/2010 13:15, g4ilo escribi�:
>>>   
 Someone really should try to find out whether_this_  Jose has a call. 
 Because if he isn't a licensed ham he hasn't much to lose by any trouble 
 he causes.

 
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] What is SS?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi John

I can confirm .There is no difference in the transmitted spectrum.
Here some comparing done with DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab

ROS v2.6.1
x's   http://home.broadpark.no/~saanes/bilder/ROS%20v2.6.1_xxx.jpg
Idling   http://home.broadpark.no/~saanes/bilder/ROS%20v2.6.1_idling.jpg

ROS v1.6.2
x's   http://home.broadpark.no/~saanes/bilder/ROS%20v1.6.2_xxx.jpg
Idling   http://home.broadpark.no/~saanes/bilder/ROS%20v1.6.2_idling.jpg

la5vna Steinar




On 06.03.2010 10:00, John B. Stephensen wrote:
> The document that the author of ROS originally published, "Introduction to 
> ROS: The Spread Spectrum", contains a good description of frequency-hopping 
> spread-spectrum (FHSS) techniques. Section 4 describes taking a 250 Hz wide 
> mode (MFSK16) and spreading it over 2 kHz by shifting the center frequency in 
> a pseuorandom sequence. The receiver changes frequencies in the same sequence 
> and the logic used to detect a special tone sequence to obtain 
> synchronization is described in section 5. The amount of spectrum occupied 
> increases by a factor of 8. FHSS is one way to minimize the effects of 
> multipath spread but there are also other techniques that occupy less 
> spectrum.
>
> Note that the author of ROS published a second doucument,"ROS Technical 
> Description", that contains elements of the original but does not mention 
> FHSS and omits any description of how data is mapped to tones. Users 
> comparing the original and later versions of the code haven't seen a 
> difference in the transmitted spectrum. 
>
> 73,
>
>   

[digitalradio] IF someone PURPOSELY has tried to mislead me

[Steinar Aanesland]

Bill ,

I don't know who has assess to this web site, but IF someone PURPOSELY
has tried to mislead me and my fellow HAM friends I will be furious.
That I will not tolerate at all  :(

LA5VNA Steinar



On 05.03.2010 13:47, Box SixteenHundred wrote:
> heh...   you mean someone else posted lies on their web site ?
>
> 73 - Bill KA8VIT
>
>
>   
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com; rosdigitalmodemgr...@yahoogroups.com
>> From: saa...@broadpark.no
>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 00:31:06 +0100
>> Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Re: [digitalradio] ROS update
>>
>> Jose,
>>
>> Is THIS really true:  "[T]he information contained on the ROS Web site
>> was /not/ provided by the FCC."  
>>
>> la5vna S
>>
>> 
> 
> _
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>   

[digitalradio] Fabricating FCC approval

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I the past days there has  been a fair and square discussion about SS
and FCC rules. Maybe some is "more Catholic than the pope" when it comes
to arguing for the FCC rules, but that we have to tolerate .

Then a question about credibility comes into issue. It is no longer a
question about SS and FCC rules, but IF there was a FABRICATED FCC
approval on the  web page, then the situation is MUCH more serious.

This has taken a whole new turn for me. I don't like this at all.

LA5VNA Steinar





On 05.03.2010 04:33, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
> You are in denial, Jose. Anyone here can call (877) 480-3201, ask for
"Dawn" (agent 3820), and hear first-hand that you distorted her
response. Since her conversation with you was recorded, there is no
doubt about what she told you.
>
> Until someone un-does the damage you've done by characterizing ROS as
spread spectrum and then fabricating FCC approval on your web page, ROS
cannot be used by US amateurs on HF bands.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, AA6YQ
>
> 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS update

[Steinar Aanesland]

Jose,

Is THIS really true:  "[T]he information contained on the ROS Web site
was /not/ provided by the FCC."  

la5vna S




On 04.03.2010 23:10, KH6TY wrote:
> Unfortunately, it appears that ROS is actually FHSS, as originally
described on the ROS website, and therefore is not legal for US hams
below 222MHz. :-(
>
> From the ARRL website,
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/04/11377/?nc=1,
>
> "When queried about this new statement, the FCC's Consumer Assistance
Office stated that "[T]he information contained on the ROS Web site was
/not/ provided by the FCC." They then reaffirmed the original statements
that originated from the FCC's Wireless Bureau, which handles Amateur
Radio rules for the US."
>
> http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/04/11377/?nc=1
>
> Hope to see you on ROS on UHF, 432.090 MHz, every morning between 7:30
AM and 8:00 AM.
>
> 73, Skip KH6TY FM02BT
>
>
>> 
>>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Jose

I support you completely 

73 de LA5VNA Steinar




On 01.03.2010 18:34, nietorosdj wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> >From 14101 to 14112 is the range legal in the IARU Regions for
DIGIMODES until 2700Hz.
>
> You cannot use all the spectrum exclusive for you because spectrum is
for all hamradio.
>
> OLIVIA and ROS have to share frequencies, as well as future modes that
will emerge over the coming years.
>
> About that Olivia is the only mode that allows errorfree signal
transfer at worse conditions,I think you're quite wrong.
>
>  Best regards, Jose Alberto
>
>
>
>> From: m...@pp.inet.fi
>> To: nieto...@hotmail.com
>> Subject: ROS
>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:47:27 +0200
>>
>> Hi Jose,
>>
>> since today I have observed the signals of your mode on 14.106.0 Mhz.
>>
>> Since 5 years we are using the frequencies 14.108,50, 14.107,50
14.105,50
>> for Olivia after we have been on different frequencies below 14.100
where other
>> modes have been active. The channels for Olivia are 1000 Hz or 500 Hz
wide.
>>
>> Olivia is the only mode that allows errorfree signal transfer at
worse conditions.
>> We have daily contacts between EU and the USA on 14.106,50 MHz.
>> For Olivia, channels are used not to disturb each other when you
cannot hear signals
>> in the noise. - When a ROS signal appears on the channels it will qrm
3 Olivia
>> channels of 1000 Hz or 5 channels of 500 Hz width.
>>
>> I see a very big problem when we will have collisions between Olivia
- which is up to now
>> only disturbed by automatic stations - and ROS mode. From own
experiences I know that
>> Olivia, when a pactor signal appears which is stronger by some
s-stages, will copy errorfree.
>> In contrary I observed yesterday that a pactor signal of abt the same
strength as ROS
>> made ROS transmissions unreadable.
>>
>> You propose also a higher frequency to be used for ROS. This is a
good idea as above
>> 14110 MHz here in OH I see only then and when some russian ssb
stations, nothing else.
>>
>> To have fun with both modes, I strongly recommend to use NO
frequencies below 14.110 MHz
>> for ROS. This will avoid any aggression and any fighting between ROS
and Olivia users.
>>
>> I hope you will understand our problems,
>>
>> Best regards, M.Salzwedel, oh/dk4zc
>>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] There is a pattern in the ROS signal when idling

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Skip

First ,  I have read all of your mail's and I think you have argued fair
and square.
I can't tell if ROS is FHSS or not . This is to complicate for a country
boy like me, but  I really hope that  FCC will let you use "narrow band
" SS on HF some day .

Cross my fingers for you and 73
LA5VNA Steinar


 
 


On 27.02.2010 18:21, KH6TY wrote:
> Looks like good news Steinar! If the data changes the frequencies, it
> does not qualify as FHSS as Jose originally claimed. I am sure the FCC
> will find the same during their tests and expect them to say it can be
> used on HF and VHF. I am especially interested in being able to use
> the 1 baud mode for EME on 2m and right now, FHSS is not permitted
> below 222 MHz. However, we will have to wait for the FCC to issue a
> new opinion, since they already issued one based on Jose's original
> claims.
>
> 73 - Skip KH6TY
>
>
>
>
> Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>  
>>
>>
>> Hi Skip
>>
>> Here is the new ROS signal. It is idling with two gruops of 25 sec of
>> X's . As you can see the pattern change when sending data.
>>
>> http://home.broadpark.no/~saanes/bilder/ROS_X_2.JPG
>> <http://home.broadpark.no/%7Esaanes/bilder/ROS_X_2.JPG>
>>
>> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>> On 27.02.2010 13:19, KH6TY wrote:
>> > That's a good analysis, Steinar. Is it possible to see if the pattern
>> > changes when sending data? That is all the FCC is concerned about. The
>> > pattern has to change when sending data and not just remain the same
>> > to exclude it from being FHSS.
>> >
>> > 73 - Skip KH6TY
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [digitalradio] There is a pattern in the ROS signal when idling

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Skip

Here is the new ROS signal. It is idling with two gruops of 25 sec of
X's . As you can see the pattern change when sending data.

http://home.broadpark.no/~saanes/bilder/ROS_X_2.JPG

73 de LA5VNA Steinar






On 27.02.2010 13:19, KH6TY wrote:
> That's a good analysis, Steinar. Is it possible to see if the pattern
> changes when sending data? That is all the FCC is concerned about. The
> pattern has to change when sending data and not just remain the same
> to exclude it from being FHSS.
>
> 73 - Skip KH6TY
>

[digitalradio] Idling ROS pattern repeat it self

[Steinar Aanesland]

And it clearly repeat it self

http://home.broadpark.no/~saanes/bilder/ROS2.jpg

73 de LA5VNA Steinar







On 27.02.2010 10:58, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Humm, I seems to have trouble with the attachment.
> I hope you get this :
>
>
> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1871183/sn/1267152391/name/ROS.jpg
>
>
> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Idling ROS pattern

[Steinar Aanesland]

Humm, I seems to have trouble with the attachment.
I hope you get this :


http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1871183/sn/1267152391/name/ROS.jpg


73 de LA5VNA Steinar

[digitalradio] Idling ROS pattern

[Steinar Aanesland]

[digitalradio] There is a pattern in the ROS signal when idling [1 Attachment]

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Skip

I have been monitoring a ROS idling over time using DL4YHF's Spectrum
Lab. Here is the results.You can clearly see a pattern

73 de LA5VNA Steinar





On 26.02.2010 12:29, KH6TY wrote:
> Alan,
>
> Of course, the FCC rules on SS are outdated and ROS should be allowed
> due to its narrow spreading range, but the road to success is not to
> just rename a spread spectrum modem to something else and try to fool
> the FCC. This is a sure way to lose the battle. The genie is already
> out of the bottle!
>
> Instead, just petition the FCC for a waiver, or amendment, to the
> regulations that are a problem, to allow FHSS as long as the spreading
> does not exceed 3000 Hz and the signal is capable of being monitored
> by third parties. Do this, and there is not a problem anymore. But, do
> not try to disguise the fact that FHSS is being used by calling it
> something else, as that undermines the credibilty of the author of the
> mode and will make the FCC even more determined not to it on HF/VHF.
>
> It looks to me that the tone frequencies are clearly being generated
> independently from the data and then the data applied to the randomly
> generated frequency. There is NO pattern to ROS like there is to FSK
> modes, even to 32 tone FSK (Olivia 32-1000) or to 64 tone FSK
> (MT63-2000). This is a signature of FHSS.
>
> “/If/ it walks /like a duck/, quacks /like a duck/, /looks like a
> duck/, it must be a /duck/”.
>
> It looks like ROS really is FHSS when you look at it on a spectrum
> analyzer, and the spectrum analyzer does not lie.
>
> 73 - Skip KH6TY
>
>
>

[digitalradio] "Would it be to much to ask"

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi John

Thanks for your nice and personality mail.  Although I do not think I am
the biggest spammer in the group ,
I will try to remember deleting  "post what WE all have seen a number of
times."

la5vna S

Bay the way , I tried to reply to you,  but I got this massage from your
mail server :
"Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: w0...@big-river.net
Reason: SMTP data accept failure has occurred
Diagnostic code: smtp;559 we do not accept spam
Remote system: dns;stl-online.net "




---


> On 24.02.2010 00:31, "John Becker, WØJAB" wrote:
>> > Would it be to much to ask you to delete from
>> > your post what WE all have seen a number of times.
>> >
>> > I for one live in a rural area and therefore must either
>> > get on line from dial-up or satellite. One is slow.
>> > the other has a meter running. When that limit
>> > is hit it could slow to the point dial-up.
>> >
>> > Belive me, I can hit that max limit on my own.
>> > I really don't need any help.
>> >
>> > PLEASE delete.
>> >
>> > John, W0JAB
>> > digitalradio co-moderator

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Calling you now 3586 usb


On 23.02.2010 23:55, graham787 wrote:
> calling you on 3586 2355 - g .. 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

I can hear you , but you are weak. No connect :(

la5vna Steinar




On 23.02.2010 23:36, graham787 wrote:
> Sending  connect to  la5vna   with 1700  hz tone set 22-35 gmt 
>
> G .. 
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>   
>> 3680 USB ?
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

3586



On 23.02.2010 23:26, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Ups wrong freq . try 3580
>
> la5vna Steinar
>
>
>
>
> On 23.02.2010 23:10, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>   
>> 3680 USB ?
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23.02.2010 22:59, graham787 wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> The ini file  .. helps if you  have one ! I have re installed , all is 
>>> working , tx key and  tx audio fine ..  what is a  good 80 mtr qrg ?  tnx - 
>>> G .. 
>>>
>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> Strange . I am using a Signalink USB . The on board is 0 and Signalink
>>>> is 1, and it works fine with 1.
>>>>
>>>> la5vna Steinar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23.02.2010 22:05, graham787 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>> Ok Steinar ... I have tried numbers  from 0 to  9 and  nothing happens .. 
>>>>> only sound  from the  motherboard sound card .. selecting  in 3 produces 
>>>>> random print .. so i assume its seeing the  sound card .. but  no tx 
>>>>> audio ..only from the  pc m/bd ..tried the  wspr 3 and 6 setting .. no  
>>>>> tx audio 
>>>>>
>>>>> G .. 
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think 0 is the default sound card . 1 is the next etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23.02.2010 21:29, graham787 wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ???  running  win-xp-pro with out board usb sound as well  as mother 
>>>>>>> board sound .. how do I select usb card .. can only see number box , 
>>>>>>> sound seems to  come  from main sound card ..how  can you  work out 
>>>>>>> what 'number' a sound card is ?? comport tx is fine 
>>>>>>> Tnx - G .. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> It works , Sholto.  I am able to get PTT working and generate tones.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone for G-Tor?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andy K3UK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Interesting.  The "about" info reveals Mixw 2003.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also found this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "G-TOR (Golay -TOR) is an FSK mode that offers a fast transfer rate 
>>>>>>>>> compared to Pactor. It incorporates a data inter-leaving system that 
>>>>>>>>> assists in minimizing the effects of atmospheric noise and has the 
>>>>>>>>> ability to fix garbled data. G-tor tries to perform all transmissions 
>>>>>>>>> at 300 baud but drops to 200 baud if difficulties are encountered and 
>>>>>>>>> finally to 100 baud. (The protocol that brought back those good 
>>>>>>>>> photos of Saturn and Jupiter from the Voyager space shots was devised 
>>>>>>>>> by M.Golay and now adapted for ham radio use.) G-tor is found in only 
>>>>>>>>> one manufacture's TNC and is rarely used today."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "sholtofish"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>> Came across this the other day:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://db0lj.prgm.org/boxfiles/software/Gtor.zip
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looks like it's a sound card implementation of G-TOR?? Seems to have 
>>>>>>>>>> a butterfly icon so something to do with MixW??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does it work?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Ups wrong freq . try 3580

la5vna Steinar




On 23.02.2010 23:10, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> 3680 USB ?
>
> la5vna Steinar
>
>
>
>
> On 23.02.2010 22:59, graham787 wrote:
>   
>> The ini file  .. helps if you  have one ! I have re installed , all is 
>> working , tx key and  tx audio fine ..  what is a  good 80 mtr qrg ?  tnx - 
>> G .. 
>>
>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Strange . I am using a Signalink USB . The on board is 0 and Signalink
>>> is 1, and it works fine with 1.
>>>
>>> la5vna Steinar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23.02.2010 22:05, graham787 wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> Ok Steinar ... I have tried numbers  from 0 to  9 and  nothing happens .. 
>>>> only sound  from the  motherboard sound card .. selecting  in 3 produces 
>>>> random print .. so i assume its seeing the  sound card .. but  no tx audio 
>>>> ..only from the  pc m/bd ..tried the  wspr 3 and 6 setting .. no  tx audio 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> G .. 
>>>>
>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I think 0 is the default sound card . 1 is the next etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23.02.2010 21:29, graham787 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>>> ???  running  win-xp-pro with out board usb sound as well  as mother 
>>>>>> board sound .. how do I select usb card .. can only see number box , 
>>>>>> sound seems to  come  from main sound card ..how  can you  work out what 
>>>>>> 'number' a sound card is ?? comport tx is fine 
>>>>>> Tnx - G .. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It works , Sholto.  I am able to get PTT working and generate tones.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone for G-Tor?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andy K3UK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> Interesting.  The "about" info reveals Mixw 2003.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also found this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "G-TOR (Golay -TOR) is an FSK mode that offers a fast transfer rate 
>>>>>>>> compared to Pactor. It incorporates a data inter-leaving system that 
>>>>>>>> assists in minimizing the effects of atmospheric noise and has the 
>>>>>>>> ability to fix garbled data. G-tor tries to perform all transmissions 
>>>>>>>> at 300 baud but drops to 200 baud if difficulties are encountered and 
>>>>>>>> finally to 100 baud. (The protocol that brought back those good photos 
>>>>>>>> of Saturn and Jupiter from the Voyager space shots was devised by 
>>>>>>>> M.Golay and now adapted for ham radio use.) G-tor is found in only one 
>>>>>>>> manufacture's TNC and is rarely used today."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "sholtofish"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Came across this the other day:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://db0lj.prgm.org/boxfiles/software/Gtor.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looks like it's a sound card implementation of G-TOR?? Seems to have 
>>>>>>>>> a butterfly icon so something to do with MixW??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does it work?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

3680 USB ?

la5vna Steinar




On 23.02.2010 22:59, graham787 wrote:
> The ini file  .. helps if you  have one ! I have re installed , all is 
> working , tx key and  tx audio fine ..  what is a  good 80 mtr qrg ?  tnx - G 
> .. 
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>   
>> Strange . I am using a Signalink USB . The on board is 0 and Signalink
>> is 1, and it works fine with 1.
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23.02.2010 22:05, graham787 wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok Steinar ... I have tried numbers  from 0 to  9 and  nothing happens .. 
>>> only sound  from the  motherboard sound card .. selecting  in 3 produces 
>>> random print .. so i assume its seeing the  sound card .. but  no tx audio 
>>> ..only from the  pc m/bd ..tried the  wspr 3 and 6 setting .. no  tx audio 
>>> 
>>>
>>> G .. 
>>>
>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I think 0 is the default sound card . 1 is the next etc.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23.02.2010 21:29, graham787 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ???  running  win-xp-pro with out board usb sound as well  as mother 
>>>>> board sound .. how do I select usb card .. can only see number box , 
>>>>> sound seems to  come  from main sound card ..how  can you  work out what 
>>>>> 'number' a sound card is ?? comport tx is fine 
>>>>> Tnx - G .. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>> It works , Sholto.  I am able to get PTT working and generate tones.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone for G-Tor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy K3UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Interesting.  The "about" info reveals Mixw 2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also found this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "G-TOR (Golay -TOR) is an FSK mode that offers a fast transfer rate 
>>>>>>> compared to Pactor. It incorporates a data inter-leaving system that 
>>>>>>> assists in minimizing the effects of atmospheric noise and has the 
>>>>>>> ability to fix garbled data. G-tor tries to perform all transmissions 
>>>>>>> at 300 baud but drops to 200 baud if difficulties are encountered and 
>>>>>>> finally to 100 baud. (The protocol that brought back those good photos 
>>>>>>> of Saturn and Jupiter from the Voyager space shots was devised by 
>>>>>>> M.Golay and now adapted for ham radio use.) G-tor is found in only one 
>>>>>>> manufacture's TNC and is rarely used today."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "sholtofish"  wrote:
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> Came across this the other day:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://db0lj.prgm.org/boxfiles/software/Gtor.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like it's a sound card implementation of G-TOR?? Seems to have a 
>>>>>>>> butterfly icon so something to do with MixW??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does it work?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi buddy

My micro KEYER works fine with com port 7. I am editing the Gtor.ini file

[GTOR]
PttPort=7
CenterFrequency=1500
CorrectionOut=85
CorrectionIn=162
DeviceOut=1
DeviceIn=1
SamplerateOut=12000
SamplerateIn=12000
RemoteCall=LA7UM
MyCall=LA5VNA



la5vna Steinar






On 23.02.2010 22:07, F.R. Ashley wrote:
> The default sound card is 0, not 1.
> I can get the program to genrate tones but no way to select com ports to key 
> the xmitter.
>
> 73 Buddy WB4M
>
>
>   
>> ???  running  win-xp-pro with out board usb sound as well  as mother board 
>> sound .. how do I select usb card .. can only see number box , sound seems 
>> to  come  from main sound card ..how  can you  work out what 'number' a 
>> sound card is ?? comport tx is fine
>> Tnx - G ..
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>> 
>>> It works , Sholto.  I am able to get PTT working and generate tones.
>>>
>>> Anyone for G-Tor?
>>>
>>> Andy K3UK
>>>
>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>   

 Interesting.  The "about" info reveals Mixw 2003.

 I also found this

 "G-TOR (Golay -TOR) is an FSK mode that offers a fast transfer rate 
 compared to Pactor. It incorporates a data inter-leaving system that 
 assists in minimizing the effects of atmospheric noise and has the 
 ability to fix garbled data. G-tor tries to perform all transmissions 
 at 300 baud but drops to 200 baud if difficulties are encountered and 
 finally to 100 baud. (The protocol that brought back those good photos 
 of Saturn and Jupiter from the Voyager space shots was devised by 
 M.Golay and now adapted for ham radio use.) G-tor is found in only one 
 manufacture's TNC and is rarely used today."


 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "sholtofish"  wrote:
 
> Came across this the other day:
>
> http://db0lj.prgm.org/boxfiles/software/Gtor.zip
>
> Looks like it's a sound card implementation of G-TOR?? Seems to have 
> a butterfly icon so something to do with MixW??
>
> Does it work?
>
>   
 
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/skedpskr4.html
>> Suggesting calling frequencies: Modes <500Hz 3583,7073,14073,18103, 
>> 21073,24923, 28123 .  Wider modes e.g. Olivia 32/1000, ROS16, ALE: 
>> 14109.7088.
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Strange . I am using a Signalink USB . The on board is 0 and Signalink
is 1, and it works fine with 1.

la5vna Steinar




On 23.02.2010 22:05, graham787 wrote:
> Ok Steinar ... I have tried numbers  from 0 to  9 and  nothing happens .. 
> only sound  from the  motherboard sound card .. selecting  in 3 produces 
> random print .. so i assume its seeing the  sound card .. but  no tx audio 
> ..only from the  pc m/bd ..tried the  wspr 3 and 6 setting .. no  tx audio 
> 
>
> G .. 
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>   
>> Hi
>>
>> I think 0 is the default sound card . 1 is the next etc.
>>
>> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23.02.2010 21:29, graham787 wrote:
>> 
>>> ???  running  win-xp-pro with out board usb sound as well  as mother board 
>>> sound .. how do I select usb card .. can only see number box , sound seems 
>>> to  come  from main sound card ..how  can you  work out what 'number' a 
>>> sound card is ?? comport tx is fine 
>>> Tnx - G .. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> It works , Sholto.  I am able to get PTT working and generate tones.  
>>>>
>>>> Anyone for G-Tor?
>>>>
>>>> Andy K3UK
>>>>
>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Interesting.  The "about" info reveals Mixw 2003.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also found this
>>>>>
>>>>> "G-TOR (Golay -TOR) is an FSK mode that offers a fast transfer rate 
>>>>> compared to Pactor. It incorporates a data inter-leaving system that 
>>>>> assists in minimizing the effects of atmospheric noise and has the 
>>>>> ability to fix garbled data. G-tor tries to perform all transmissions at 
>>>>> 300 baud but drops to 200 baud if difficulties are encountered and 
>>>>> finally to 100 baud. (The protocol that brought back those good photos of 
>>>>> Saturn and Jupiter from the Voyager space shots was devised by M.Golay 
>>>>> and now adapted for ham radio use.) G-tor is found in only one 
>>>>> manufacture's TNC and is rarely used today."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "sholtofish"  wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>> Came across this the other day:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://db0lj.prgm.org/boxfiles/software/Gtor.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like it's a sound card implementation of G-TOR?? Seems to have a 
>>>>>> butterfly icon so something to do with MixW??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi

I think 0 is the default sound card . 1 is the next etc.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar




On 23.02.2010 21:29, graham787 wrote:
> ???  running  win-xp-pro with out board usb sound as well  as mother board 
> sound .. how do I select usb card .. can only see number box , sound seems to 
>  come  from main sound card ..how  can you  work out what 'number' a sound 
> card is ?? comport tx is fine 
> Tnx - G .. 
>
>
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>   
>> It works , Sholto.  I am able to get PTT working and generate tones.  
>>
>> Anyone for G-Tor?
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>>
>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "obrienaj"  wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> Interesting.  The "about" info reveals Mixw 2003.
>>>
>>> I also found this
>>>
>>> "G-TOR (Golay -TOR) is an FSK mode that offers a fast transfer rate 
>>> compared to Pactor. It incorporates a data inter-leaving system that 
>>> assists in minimizing the effects of atmospheric noise and has the ability 
>>> to fix garbled data. G-tor tries to perform all transmissions at 300 baud 
>>> but drops to 200 baud if difficulties are encountered and finally to 100 
>>> baud. (The protocol that brought back those good photos of Saturn and 
>>> Jupiter from the Voyager space shots was devised by M.Golay and now adapted 
>>> for ham radio use.) G-tor is found in only one manufacture's TNC and is 
>>> rarely used today."
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "sholtofish"  wrote:
>>>   
 Came across this the other day:

 http://db0lj.prgm.org/boxfiles/software/Gtor.zip

 Looks like it's a sound card implementation of G-TOR?? Seems to have a 
 butterfly icon so something to do with MixW??

 Does it work?

 
>>>   
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Skip

Thanks for your answer . I do not disagree with you , but I do not think
you need an extremely hard regime to prevent anarchy.

You wrote "One problem with traditional spread spectrum is that it is
designed to be hard to monitor, which therefore means hard to police," 
What about the lack of  capability to monitor the winmor mode ?

73 de LA5VNA Steinar





On 21.02.2010 19:30, KH6TY wrote:
> I agree, Steinar. The principle we all must follow on amateur
> frequencies is that they are SHARED frequencies, which means used on a
> first-come-first server basis and anyone accidentally transmitting on
> an ongoing QSO must also be capable of moving when asked, as well as
> being able to check if the frequency is clear. Some will say that DX
> pileups or contesters also do not share, but at the moment of
> transmission, the frequency may appear to be clear. The interference
> is due to severe overcrowding, and not intentionally trying to
> dominate a frequency. This is much different from transmitting without
> any attempt to check at all. Winmor, Winlink, and ALE all violate that
> time-honored principle, and so did Propnet until they moved off the
> normal QSO frequencies.
>
> Our FCC has set aside a set of frequencies on several bands for
> stations that are automatically controlled to accomodate stations that
> do not listen first, so those stations have no justifiable excuse to
> complain about interference amongst themselves. They are lucky to have
> any  place at all to operate, and that space is far greater, in
> proportion to their representation in the total ham population wishing
> to use the bands, than would normally be allocated. Just because one
> group thinks THEIR traffic is more important than other traffic does
> not give them a right to dominate or claim exclusive or primary use of
> any frequency. This is a primarily HOBBY, and not a "service" to
> others, and it is only on that basis that we are permitted to keep the
> frequencies we have. In a true emergency, ALL frequencies are
> available to emergency operators and all others MUST give way, so even
> claiming to be essential for emergencies does not convey any right of
> ownership of any of our shared frequencies.
>
> To answer your question specifically, Winmor, if over 500 Hz wide, is
> only allowed to operate in those automatic subbands. They are also
> required to check that the frequency is clear before transmitting,
> even in the automatic subbands, but that is not enforced because it is
> basically unenforceable. You can see the result there - stations
> regularly trample each other because there no practical means of
> enforcing that they do not. Without rules, just imagine what the bands
> would be like if powerful or special interest stations that do not
> listen first were spread all over the bands. That almost happened a
> few years ago until the FCC refused to implement the ARRL regulation
> by bandwidth petition.
>
> Unless we insist on maintaining and supporting the shared nature of
> our bands, special interest groups that do not share will take over
> the bands and others will have no place in which to operate for QSO's,
> experimenting, contesting, DX chasing, etc., One problem with
> traditional spread spectrum is that it is designed to be hard to
> monitor, which therefore means hard to police, either by ourselves, or
> by government agencies. However, since ROS can be monitored by third
> parties, we hope that the FCC will amend the regulations to permit ROS
> to be used on HF, but until that is done, we in this country have no
> choice but to abide by the current regulations, even though they may
> seem to be unfair.
>
> Without any overall supervision, there will be anarchy, and with
> arnarchy, chaos will soon follow. Rules help to prevent arnarchy and
> chaos, and are not 100% effective, but are better than nothing.
>
> 73 - Skip KH6TY
>
>
>
>
> Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>> Hi Skip
>>
>> But why is a mode like WINMOR allowed in US? I know it is not SS , but
>> you can't monitor the traffic.
>> If I have not totally misunderstood,  that is one of the criteria for
>> using a digi mode on the band.
>>
>> Just a thought , but it seems that some part of the FCC rules are more
>> important to follow than others.
>>
>> 73 la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> On 21.02.2010 16:17, KH6TY wrote:
>>  
>>> Thank you, Steinar, but there have been serious attempts to dominate
>>> 
>> the HF bands with wideband modes for what is basically a private system
>> use, and the FCC acted to protect the bands from that abuse, so while it
>> is sad for us right now, w

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Skip

But why is a mode like WINMOR allowed in US? I know it is not SS , but
you can't monitor the traffic.
If I have not totally misunderstood,  that is one of the criteria for
using a digi mode on the band.

Just a thought , but it seems that some part of the FCC rules are more
important to follow than others.

73 la5vna Steinar


 


On 21.02.2010 16:17, KH6TY wrote:
> Thank you, Steinar, but there have been serious attempts to dominate
the HF bands with wideband modes for what is basically a private system
use, and the FCC acted to protect the bands from that abuse, so while it
is sad for us right now, what the FCC has done in the past has protected
all hams worldwide from such abuses, even if you do not realize it. I do
think ROS should be allowed, but until fully reviewed by the FCC, their
are correct in not allowing ROS to be used except on an experimental
basis. Believe me, there are much more dangerous fish in the sea!
>
> 73 - Skip KH6TY
>
>
>
>
> Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>> I feel really pity for you , my American HAM friends
>>
>> 73 de la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21.02.2010 14:23, Dave Wright wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm with you, Skip. While I appreciate the effort Jose put into this
mode, I
>>> won't be using it on HF.
>>>
>>> The article quoted as justification of the legality of ROS was
written by
>>> the Italian developer of Chip64 who is not under the jurisdiction of the
>>> FCC.  The ARRL lists it only as a technical reference to the mode. 
Since
>>> the ARRL is NOT the regulatory agency, it really only matters what
shows up
>>> in Part 97; and under Part 97, Chip64 is also illegal on HF in the US.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> K3DCW
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, KH6TY  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your opinion, but need to be told to "calm down" as I
am not
>>>> excited! The FCC rules are plain and the description of ROS by the
author is
>>>> frequency hopping, whether within a phone signal bandwidth or not,
so that
>>>> identifies it as spread spectrum. I am sure the FCC rules were
intended to
>>>> prevent overly wide signals on HF using spread spectrum and
therefore they
>>>> only permit spread spectrum above 222 Mhz, where there is plenty of
room.
>>>>
>>>> ROS is a really nice mode, but I will be using it only on 432 Mhz, in
>>>> accordance with our FCC regulations. Others under FCC jurisdiction are
>>>> welcome to use it at their own risk on HF.
>>>>
>>>> The current FCC rules are also probably intended to allow FCC
monitoring
>>>> which is not possible with conventional spread spectrum, so I hope
the rules
>>>> can be changed for spread spectrum modes like ROS which can be
copied by
>>>> third parties, but until that happens, rules are rules, and we are
legally
>>>> obligated to abide by them.
>>>>
>>>> 73 - Skip KH6TY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> kp4cb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok calm down, que no panda el cunico como decia el chapulin, this
mode is legal.
>>>>
>>>> Read this and you will know why is an article of the ARRL
>>>>
>>>> http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/techchar/Chip64.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

[Steinar Aanesland]

I feel really pity for you , my American HAM friends

73 de la5vna Steinar



On 21.02.2010 14:23, Dave Wright wrote:
> I'm with you, Skip. While I appreciate the effort Jose put into this mode, I
> won't be using it on HF.
>
> The article quoted as justification of the legality of ROS was written by
> the Italian developer of Chip64 who is not under the jurisdiction of the
> FCC.  The ARRL lists it only as a technical reference to the mode.  Since
> the ARRL is NOT the regulatory agency, it really only matters what shows up
> in Part 97; and under Part 97, Chip64 is also illegal on HF in the US.
>
> Dave
> K3DCW
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, KH6TY  wrote:
>
>   
>>
>> Thank you for your opinion, but need to be told to "calm down" as I am not
>> excited! The FCC rules are plain and the description of ROS by the author is
>> frequency hopping, whether within a phone signal bandwidth or not, so that
>> identifies it as spread spectrum. I am sure the FCC rules were intended to
>> prevent overly wide signals on HF using spread spectrum and therefore they
>> only permit spread spectrum above 222 Mhz, where there is plenty of room.
>>
>> ROS is a really nice mode, but I will be using it only on 432 Mhz, in
>> accordance with our FCC regulations. Others under FCC jurisdiction are
>> welcome to use it at their own risk on HF.
>>
>> The current FCC rules are also probably intended to allow FCC monitoring
>> which is not possible with conventional spread spectrum, so I hope the rules
>> can be changed for spread spectrum modes like ROS which can be copied by
>> third parties, but until that happens, rules are rules, and we are legally
>> obligated to abide by them.
>>
>> 73 - Skip KH6TY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> kp4cb wrote:
>>
>> Ok calm down, que no panda el cunico como decia el chapulin, this mode is 
>> legal.
>>
>> Read this and you will know why is an article of the ARRL
>>
>> http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/techchar/Chip64.pdf
>>
>>
>>
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[digitalradio] ROS 1baud @ 18.115 MHz

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi

calling cq on 18.115 in ROS mode now

la5vna Steinar

 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS New Mode

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Jose

Thanks ! I have only been receiving  ROS on 14.101 but it is amazing how
well it is able to decode weak signals.

A question ; I am using the "signalink USB" with an internal VOX 
function as an external sound card,  therefor the COM port is not in
use.  Is it possible to turn of the com port option completely?

73 de LA5VNA Steinar





On 19.02.2010 02:05, nietorosdj wrote:
> HI,
>
> As you know i have created a new mode at http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>
> I wish you tested it and I will answer if you have any questions.
>
> Jose Alberto
>
>
>
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] off topic, 3819Khz

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Andy

I probably was too far out with this "off topic" , but after a half an
hour listening to the stream I was in chock. I have never heard such bad
language on the band and
since people on this group often write about US regulation I took the
chance to ask.

Yes, the Pinell radio is a great toy. It has over 15,000 Internet radio
stations and Podcasts to choose from.

73 de la5vna Steinar





On 23.01.2010 16:41, Andy obrien wrote:
> Regardless of who is in Govt at the current time, there seems to be an
> increase in the USA of hams who express political opinion over the air.
> When I first became a ham , my mentors explained that expressing political
> opinion over the air was not within the ethics of ham radio.  Alas, this
> view seems to have changed over the years, at least in the USA. 
Interesting
> new Toy, Steinar.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Steinar Aanesland
wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I know this is off topic, but I am confused.
>>
>> I have a new toy. It is a Internet radio from Pinell (
>> http://www.pinell.no/ ) . When I was playing around with it I came
>> across a streamed live ham frequency form the net: "
>> http://www.3819khz.net/";
>>
>> It turned out to be a real hate network. It vomit up extremely bad
>> things about the Obama administration. I am not going into the politics
>> here, but is this type of network allowed in US on the HAM band ???
>>
>> 73 la5vna Steinar
>>
>

[digitalradio] off topic, 3819Khz

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I know this is off topic, but I am confused.

I have a new toy. It is a Internet radio from Pinell  (
http://www.pinell.no/ ) . When I was playing around with it I came
across a streamed live ham frequency form the net: "http://www.3819khz.net/";

It turned out to be a real hate network. It vomit up extremely bad
things about the Obama administration. I am not going into the politics
here, but is this type of network allowed in US on the HAM band ???

73 la5vna Steinar

Re: [digitalradio] Nominations for 2009 Digitalradio Awards needed

[Steinar Aanesland]

Patrick is my favorite

73 de LA5VNA Steinar




Jose A. Amador wrote:
> I also agree. Please count my vote for Patrick.
>
> Jose, CO2JA
>
> ---
>
> Warren Moxley escribió:
>   
>>  Patrick is the greatest! I 2nd that nomination.
>>
>>  --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, Ian Wade G3NRW //* wrote:
>>
>>  From: Ian Wade G3NRW  Subject: Re: [digitalradio]
>>  Nominations for 2009 Digitalradio Awards needed To:
>>  digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 11:02 AM
>>
>>  From: Andy obrien >  > Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 Time:
>>  11:11:22
>>
>> 
>>> It is that time again, as we approach our 10th January in existence
>>>  it is time to seek you nominations for the Annual Digitalradio
>>> Awards.
>>>   
>>  [Snip]
>>
>>  My vote goes to Patrick -- his innovations and responsiveness to user
>>  requests are a shining example of the true amateur spirit.
>>
>>  -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
>> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Contesters and DXers should use busy detectors

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Bonnie

I don't always agree with you  , but this time I am with you 100%.
The frequency spectrum is a limited resource and it is completely
unacceptable that an over-crowded group of so-called "contesters" are
allowed to squeeze out other hams from the bands.

No Skip KH6TY , I don't want to apologize for my point of view .  I have
been told "to piss" off so many times, especially from RTTY contesters,
when I have been testing new modes so that for me contesting is a big
plague.

I should probably let this go, but there's nothing that makes me more
angry than contesting.

LA5VNA S






contesting is a plague.

expeditionradio wrote:
> All contesters and DX pileup participants 
> should use busy detectors! This is quite 
> evident since it has been proven that such 
> types of operation are the source of 99% of 
> "harmful interference" and "intentional interference" 
> on the HF ham bands. Manual methods of busy 
> detection have been proven to be devoid of merit. 
>
> Contesters and DX pileup technologists can start 
> developing the "DX/Contest Busy Detector" with 
> SSB and PSK and RTTY and CW, the most common modes.
>
> When they have a busy detector that is proven to 
> work during contests and pileups, then the 
> remaining 1% of rare other modes and other 
> types of operation that are normally the recipient 
> of "harmful interference" and "intentional interference"
> can consider adopting the tried and proven "DX/contest 
> Busy Detector".
>
> The 1% "rare mode" operators should continue to use 
> the present methods that have proven to have a high 
> probability of not causing harmful or intentional 
> interference. 
>  
> Put your money where your mouth is. 
> Develop a busy detector for DX/contesters.
>
> If your busy detector is successful in preventing the 
> vast majority of harmful and intentional interference 
> of contests and DX pileups, then the rest of the 
> ham community can widely adopt it.
>  
> 73 Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Dave

"I'm no fan of the way in which many contest stations seem to use, and 
abuse, the band plans (..)"

I could not agree with you more. 

73 de LA5VNA Steinar








Dave Ackrill wrote:
> DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
>> Bonnie, sitting on the side, I see both sides of this.  You, on one hand, 
>> always appear to be pushing expansion of new modes
>>   - Original Message - 
>>>   From: expeditionradio 
>
>>>   If you are really concerned about lids on HF, start with the #1 primary 
>>> source of QRM: contesters.
>
> I'm no fan of the way in which many contest stations seem to use, and 
> abuse, the band plans, but neither am I a fan of digital modes that, 
> maybe unintentionally at times, trample upon other legitimate users of 
> the bands either...
>
> Unfortunately, legislating against either abuse is both unlikely to work 
> and probably impossible to implement.
>
> Personally, I would like the organisers of the various contests to 
> enforce their own rules against persistent offenders.  However, 
> experience over many years suggests that they either will not, or dare 
> not, do this, which begs the question "why have the rules?"
>
> I would prefer that the DX community did not trample on top of people at 
> times, and listen before they transmitted and I would like the Band 
> Police to not transmit over the top of what they think should, or should 
> not, be done on a frequency.
>
> I would also like the ALE and digital community to recognise that they 
> share the bands with everyone else and are not immune from the 'listen 
> before use' rule either.
>
> However, these are just my 'would like to have' and are obviously not 
> shared by the majority, as they do not happen.
>
> Dave (G0DJA)
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Version of WSPR Available

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I am whispering on 60m @  5.2872 Dial with 5W.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar






obrienaj wrote:
> I'm getting out 
>
>
> 4 spots:
>
>
> Timestamp 
>
> Call  MHz SNR Drift   GridPwr ReporterRGrid   km  
> az
>  2009-11-20 01:36  K3UK10.140193   -20 0   FN02hk 
>  5   AC7SM   DM26ie  3142269 
>  2009-11-20 01:36  K3UK10.140190   -11 0   FN02hk 
>  5   W3HHEL89vb  1509191 
>  2009-11-20 01:34  K3UK10.140291   -24 0   FN02hk 
>  5   WA5ETV  EM151708249 
>  2009-11-20 01:34  K3UK10.140190   -5  -1  FN02hk 
>  5   W3HHEL89vb  1509191 
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien  wrote:
>   
>> I think I figured the fancy-dancy slider out.
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Andy obrien  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I must be missing something basic with the user set up.  I have had
>>> previous versions working OK but this version does not receive despite the
>>> correct sound card device being selected.  I see "waiting to start" all the
>>> time.  IS there a start button that I am missing ?
>>>
>>> Andy K3UK
>>>   
>
>
>
>   

Re: [multipsk] Re: [digitalradio] PSK31 Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

QRT now

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

--




Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Hi Dave
>
> It will surprise me if you are able to see my psk31 beacon this evening.
> I think I will change the mode to olivia 4-250 then you probably will
> have a chance.
>
> 73 LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
> Dave Ackrill wrote:
>   
>> Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I am running a 5W PSK31 beacon + RS ID at 5350 Khz + 1500Hz USB this 
>>> evening.
>>> 
>>>   
>> I'll take another listen now. :-)
>>
>> Dave (G0DJA)
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] PSK31 Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Dave

It will surprise me if you are able to see my psk31 beacon this evening.
I think I will change the mode to olivia 4-250 then you probably will
have a chance.

73 LA5VNA Steinar




Dave Ackrill wrote:
> Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>   
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am running a 5W PSK31 beacon + RS ID at 5350 Khz + 1500Hz USB this evening.
>> 
>
> I'll take another listen now. :-)
>
> Dave (G0DJA)
>
>   

[digitalradio] PSK31 Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I am running a 5W PSK31 beacon + RS ID at 5350 Khz + 1500Hz USB this evening.

Software: Multipsk
Transceiver: Modified ICOM IC-718
Antenna: w3dzz (80, 40 an 20m) tuned with a LDG AT-100Pro Autotuner.

Try to catch me ;)

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

[digitalradio] 60M JT65A beacon QRT

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I am going QRT now.

Thanks to Tommi OH7JJT, Patrick F6CTE and Dave G0DJA for their fine
reports.

I will be on air again tomorrow for more testing.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

Re: [digitalradio] JT65A Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

Great! Thanks for your report.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar








Dave Ackrill wrote:
> Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>   
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am running a 5W JT65A beacon at 5350 Khz + 1270Hz USB  this evening.
>> 
>
> I'm seeing your signals and I'll move my dial frequency up a bit more as 
> well...
>
> So far decoded these transmissions from you.
>
> 163600  3  -24 -0.3  525  3 *  LA5VNA/B  1   0 
>
> 163800  4  -23 -0.4  525  3 *  LA5VNA/B  1   0
>
> Then, after moving up 500Hz, got this one.
>
> 164000  7  -24 -0.4   30  2 *  LA5VNA/B  1   0
>
> The dial frequency is now 5350kHz so I'll monitor that for a while.
>
> Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] JT65A Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Dave

In Norway  the band 5260 - 5410 kHz is now open for general Amateur
Radio use.

The band  is not channelized.  The allocation is secondary and power is
limited to 100 watts.

To avoid conflicts with other country's channels the Norwegian Radio
Relay League (NRRL) has decided that we shall use:

CW: 5305 - 5315 kHz
QRP:   5335 kHz
All mode: 5335 - 5340 kHz
Digital: 5350 - 5360 kHz
USB:   5375 - 5394 kHz

Norwegian HAM's will only use "the channels" in QSO with HAM's outside
Norway.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

http://folk.uio.no/tomvs/la4ln/Worldwide%2060%20m%20frequency%20chart_v8.pdf




Dave Ackrill wrote:
> Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>   
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am running a 5W JT65A beacon at 5350 Khz + 1270Hz USB  this evening.
>> 
>
> I'm a bit confused on the frequency being used Steinar,
>
> Can you confirm 5350kHz plus 1.270kHz please?
>
> The only information on the Norwegian frequencies on 60M that I can find 
> is as follows.
>
> Center Frequency  USB Dial Frequency
> 5280 kHz  5278.5 kHz
> 5290 kHz  5288.5 kHz
> 5332 kHz  5330.5 kHz
> 5348 kHz  5346.5 kHz
> 5368 kHz  5366.5 kHz
> 5373 kHz  5371.5 kHz
> 5400 kHz  5398.5 kHz
> 5405 kHz  5403.5 kHz
>
> all with a 3kHz bandwidth.
>
> 5350 plus 1270 gives 5351.27kHz, of course, but that doesn't appear to 
> fit into any of the 3kHz sections.  The nearest appears to be 5348kHz, 
> but that 'channel' ends at 5349.5kHz.
>
> I guess you have an experimental licence, like the ones issued in 
> Germany for 70MHz, where you have a specific spot frequency allocated to 
> you?
>
> I'll set my dial frequency a little below 5350kHz and will see if I can 
> see any signals.
>
> Regards - Dave (G0DJA)
>
>   

[digitalradio] JT65A Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I am running a 5W JT65A beacon at 5350 Khz + 1270Hz USB  this evening.

Software: Multipsk
Transceiver: Modified ICOM IC-718
Antenna: w3dzz (80, 40 an 20m) tuned with a LDG AT-100Pro Autotuner.

Try to catch me ;)

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

[digitalradio] Digi @ 5350 - 5360 kHz

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

Norwegian hams will use 5350 - 5360 kHz for digital purpose.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar



Worldwide 60m frequency chart

"
http://folk.uio.no/tomvs/la4ln/Worldwide%2060%20m%20frequency%20chart_v8.pdf
"

[digitalradio] Re: JT65A Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

QRT now

73 la5vna Steinar




Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I am running a 5W JT65A beacon at 5310 Khz + 1270Hz USB
> this evening, with start at 1830 UTC.
>
> The transceiver is a modified ICOM IC-718 and the
> antenna is a w3dzz (80, 40 an 20m) tuned with a LDG AT-100Pro Autotuner.
>
> Try to catch me ;)
>
> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>   

[digitalradio] JT65A Beacon on 60m

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I am running a 5W JT65A beacon at 5310 Khz + 1270Hz USB
this evening, with start at 1830 UTC.

The transceiver is a modified ICOM IC-718 and the
antenna is a w3dzz (80, 40 an 20m) tuned with a LDG AT-100Pro Autotuner.

Try to catch me ;)

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

[digitalradio] A Little off Topic: Use of the 60m band in Norway

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

In Norway  the band 5260 - 5410 kHz is now opened for general Amateur
Radio use.
The band  is not channelized.   The allocation is secondary and power is
limited to 100 watts.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

[digitalradio] QRV no 14.112 in WINMOR

[Steinar Aanesland]

Unattended. Please leave a message.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar