[tdf-discuss] [OT] Some advice for those looking to contribute, but not necessarily with code
Hi, Just passing this along as I thought some might find it interesting. http://www.softwarequalityconnection.com/2012/03/14-ways-to-contribute-to-open-source-without-being-a-programming-genius-or-a-rock-star/ //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] AB-Member and ESC-Member on TDF-Website
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 12:01 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:36 AM, Florian Effenberger > wrote: > > > > So, while I agree this is also theoretical, the more we can make public, the > > better it will be, the more it will serve our matter of transparency. > > I understand and agree with your argument and the scenario described. > > My main concern is this case (only wrt to the ESC.): > > John Doe is employed by Microsoft-Luxemburg as a pre-sale support for > IIS (I'm making that up) > during is leisure time he like to contribute to open source, and doing > a great job at doing so in LibreOffice, > he is offered to seat on the ESC. > Since his work on FLOSS is not sponsored by Microsoft nor necessarily > approved by it, he does not want to/ is not allowed to > involve the name of his employer into the process. > What should his 'affiliation' then be ? TDF > > iow. Should we rely solely on self-described affiliation ? > In which case, the take over scenario described earlier can only be > dwarfed if observers manage to independently determine 'real' > affiliation based on name to detect a conflict > otherwise ill-intended committee stuffing would certainly avoid > dissimulating one's affiliation, and the 'official' affiliation list > would not be useful for the purpose of detecting such situation. In the case of individuals a meeting of the AB in their capacity as members of the ESC, they are doing so as stewards for the full membership of the TDF, not merely as individuals and certainly not as representatives for their employer. Thanks, //drew > > Let me put it that way: > I would expect that > + for most sponsored people we do have an affiliation (most sponsor > want to advertise that they do) > + ESC member can choose to be classified publicly as 'Independent', > with the understanding that other ESC members are privately confident > that such ESC nomination is not jeopardizing the ESC balance, wrt the > 30% rule. > + such implicit affiliation can be shared with the BoD. > > (pretty much how it works today) > > For the AB: > I honestly do not care that much either way... I'll leave that in the > capable hand of the BoD :-) > > Norbert > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Are you a TDF member? Do you use Twitter?
Howdy, If you answered yes to both of those questions then I would like to request your twitter account handle? For those that don't know I maintain a LbreOffice focused 'paper' at paper.il - one[1] of the data streams that supplies content for the daily publication is a list[2] of twitter account. When the paper was set up there was no formal TDF and I constructed the list by watching the twitter stream and adding people that where talking about LibreOffice - (and dropping folks off from time to time). What I would like to do is to reconstitute that list, starting with TDF members. So, the request here. If you respond, it's makes sense to just send me the information direct. Thanks, //drew [1] Besides the list of twitter accounts I also pull data from twitter search, twitter tags, Google+, FaceBook and the libO planet. [2] The list is maintained at http://twitter.com/LibreOfficeVols/paper -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:54 +0100, Andreas Mantke wrote: > Hi Jesus, > > Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2012, 14:08:58 schrieb Jesús Corrius: > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Florian Effenberger > > > > wrote: > (...) > > > I am open for discussion, of course, but I wonder that you seem to have a > > > different opinion now, since the BoD has voted on this during the last > > > call. ;-) > > > > I am just open to discussions ;) But I was just talking to this > > particular case, we need to define this for the future. > > > > If this is talking about the future, I wonder, why you jump into this thread. > > We had a public discussion and decision of the BoD already. If there are no > unknown > facts or new arguments, we should not discuss and decide again (and again). > > (...) > > A possible solution would be: > > > > 1. Invite all the TDF members to vote by default. > > 2. If you are not a member of the TDF but you also want to vote, send > > a message to someone (Florian maybe? :P) and you will be invited. > > Point 2 would be a nice job ;-( > Maybe we will also hear some complaints, if someone missed to send a mail in > time. > > I think we should invite every contributor to apply for a membership status > and then > he / she could vote for the venue of the conferences 2013 and later. It would > be good > to increase our member base. Howdy, +1 to that last statement. I realize it can be a bit intimidating, I know it was for me, there are some rather impressive individuals represented in the ranks of the foundation. Nor will I lie to you and say that every application is accepted - but I can tell you that everyone I have seen involved in the process strives to give a fair appraisal and in those cases where the answer is not at this moment attempts to impart encouragement and help on how to change that outcome - so I suppose I would like to say, don't sell yourself short, everyone's contribution is valued. Back to the subject at hand however. First I agree with the current decision on the appropriateness of using the membership roster for the vote - but I would also add, this is not happening in a back room or private mailing list - so everyone has the opportunity to have their views heard, but for that to happen you need to voice them. If you have a question for either of the teams or have an opinion on the suitability of one site over the other, don't hesitate to share it here. Just some thoughts I wanted to share. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 12:48 -0200, Olivier Hallot wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > > Em 24-01-2012 09:03, Cor Nouws escreveu: > > Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26) > > > >> I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. > >> the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable > >> work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. > > > > And it's not logic: the conference is not meant for members only. > > > > We are talking on choosing the location, not about non-member > participating at the conference. > > Since TDF will be strongly involved into the organization of the > conference, that shall be an internal voting, IMHO. > > Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. > Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we > don't want LibCon to happen. > Hello, Though we should certainly solicit input from anyone during the deliberation period it seems most appropriate for the final decision to be made by the foundation members. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] English Wiki -> new menue
On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 16:18 +0100, Jochen wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> Am 31.12.2011 10:34, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld:
> > Jochen schrieb:
> >> In German WIKI we have created a new menu - called "Makros" [1]. The
> >> english equivalent is "macros" [2].
> > great!
>
> I have incorporated the new menu item "macros" in {{Menu}} and also
> added a comment in [1].
>
> [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros
>
> Regards
>
howdy Jochen,
Great - thank you.
Added some content to the en page.
Best wishes for the New Year,
//drew
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Need help with Bug 32670 - CALC: Save File-copy from Base in Calc as DBF does not function
On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 07:38 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: > Hi, > > It would be great if someone could try to reproduce a.m. bug. > <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32670> > > Kind regards > Hi Rainer Ah ha - so the great bug hunt day kicks off... Rather late here - but will give this a go with morning coffee. 3.5 beta is the preferred test system for the day, yes? Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Holiday Greetings
On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 01:19 +, toki wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 25/12/11 19:56, drew wrote: > > and here is my meager attempt to capture that in 2 minutes... > Howdy Toki, > There were a couple of screenshots of products I didn't recognize. > * The sailing ship logo at the twenty second mark; NeoOffice > * The logo at the 45 second mark; I assume you mean the three buttons: IBM Lotus Symphony Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Holiday Greetings
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 21:25 +0100, M Henri Day wrote: > 2011/12/25 drew > > > This has been quite a year for the extended community and communities of > > individuals formed since the decision to open source the original > > StarOffice application suite some 12 years ago. Then again the same > > could be said for the entire dozen years - and here is my meager attempt > > to capture that in 2 minutes... > > > > http://youtu.be/J84WQtbcZ1s > > > > Merry Christmas > > > > ~~ Drew Jensen > > > > Loved the video ! And thanks to you, Drew, and all the developers who have > helped to bring us products like StarOffice, OpenOffice, and LibreOffice ! > And happy Winter Solstice (for us in the Northern hemisphere) to you all > !... > Thank you Henri, BTW, some folks experienced a, visibility, issue with the youtube channel. For the moment at least I've made a copy of the original mp4 file (92 Megs) available for download at: http://lo-portal.us/video/soHappyHoliday2011.mp4 Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Holiday Greetings
This has been quite a year for the extended community and communities of individuals formed since the decision to open source the original StarOffice application suite some 12 years ago. Then again the same could be said for the entire dozen years - and here is my meager attempt to capture that in 2 minutes... http://youtu.be/J84WQtbcZ1s Merry Christmas ~~ Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] Question&Answer system evaluation
On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 14:59 +0100, Alexander Werner wrote: > Hi everyone, > > while discussing the possible platforms for an official user forum, the idea > arose[1] to also evaluate a Q&A forum, similar to the well-known > stackoverflow[2]. > I've set up an instance of askbot to allow users to test such a forum and > comment on this idea. You can access it at http://osqa-test.libreoffice.org. > Feel free to register an account (at the moment, local user accounts, > Facebook, twitter and various openid providers are supported) and test the > installation. > Comments, bug reports and improvement suggestions are very welcome, either by > using the "give feedback"[3] link at the bottom of each page or at the > website list or, of course, in askbot itself[3]. > For a explanation how such Q&A platforms work, please see the faq[4] and my > short explanation here: > * Q&A forums don't provide room for general discussions, polls, rants etc. > and are therefore more targeted. > * Users can select correct answers and vote for answers. Selected and most > voted answers are shown first, drastically improving clarity. > * User activities such as answering questions or voting answers leads to > karma. With more karma, the rights of users grow until the user has full > moderation rights. This allows to grow a self sustaining community. > * Answers can be edited collaboratively (so called "community wiki" posts) > > Of course, trying it out is worth a thousand words :) > Hi, Thanks for the information Alex. I feel that it would be inappropriate to not mention at this early stage that three platforms of this style service have been put forward as possible solutions. Shapdeo: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ The above site is a hosted instance of the software, the package itself is FOSS and could be hosted within the TDF infrastructure. Questions2Answers: http://www.question2answer.org/ There is not a LibreOffice specific test site, or hosted running site, for this package - so just a link back to the projects home, where you can find links to existing site. The three packages are quite similar, as would be expected, but do have slight differences - also each is developed using different language/toolset which can be a factor in determining which makes sense for our use. Thanks, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 08:10 -0500, drew wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:24 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: > > Le 11/11/2011 11:06, Cor Nouws a écrit : > > > Hi Andrea, > > > > > > [...] > > > Someone else explained that a good technical solution, also with a > > > different look, is no real option. You must have noticed that post. > > > > Really ? > > Please have a look at : > > > > http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 > > and > > http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 > > > > Best regards. > > So, no argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms > > Good day all, > > No argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms. > > The shared content however - I submit it is not so easy to see how this > easily and successfully works out. > > For instance - let's say that a user has come looking for help and as it > turns out the problem the user is having turns out to be in fact a > defect with the software...at this point I would hope that the > individual(s) helping this person out would offer to this user a quick > pointer on how to enter this into our defect tracking system - just some > links. > > So - I'm assuming that when user A (let's call her Sarah) came into the > forum it was via our libreoffice address. She found a nice LibreOffice > branded site - [quick question - we would have some type of pinned > information about such things on the forum, and of course this content > would need to change along with our them..yes] > > Now user B (let's call her Barb) is a long time OpenOffice.org user and > quite happy Apache OpenOffice user, so naturally she came in using the > AOO [u.s.oo.o] address - which again, naturally, displays a nice blue > theme and a sticky post about reporting bugs... > > See where I'm going here? *well* now that I've refilled the coffee cup it seems such an easy thing to overcome doesn't it - simply have a section (sub_board) for information on how to interface with each of the different projects - with separate sticky for each, perhaps. let's see - links to the documentation in easy reach, again it doesn't seem so much overhead to handle this. Then it would be a big help if the two applications AOO and LibO do not diverge in form or function. To date it has been pretty good that way, of course the fact that OO.o hasn't had a release is one of _the_ overarching factors here, IMO - and everything I see at the AOO project says that this will certainly not be the case for long. Along with that I look forward a TDF launch of an iOS and Android version and HTML5.canvas (?) on-line version, or other engineering driven changes such efforts may produce. I also want and expect AOO to have a series of releases that will have to be different in some ways from the current OO.o application..and whatever new projects the AOO project spawns. Then sure, one gets down to branding, community identity and self sufficiency questions and I suppose these issues add up to politics of a kind. IMO good people can in good conscience come to differing conclusions and take separate paths politely, is this not one definition of politics. IMO the reality which came out of this last year, the change from a project, in fact, owned by a single for profit vendor morphing into two projects, to code lines in fact, each owned by a non-profit foundations actively moving forward is not a bad outcome, for anyone. So bottom line for myself - could using two URL's pointing to the same physical server work? - likely for a while _but_ that it will become increasing more difficult, quickly, versus having each community take responsibility for it's own user services, across the board. Anyway - my long .02 worth Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:24 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: > Le 11/11/2011 11:06, Cor Nouws a écrit : > > Hi Andrea, > > > > [...] > > Someone else explained that a good technical solution, also with a > > different look, is no real option. You must have noticed that post. > > Really ? > Please have a look at : > > http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 > and > http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 > > Best regards. > So, no argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms Good day all, No argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms. The shared content however - I submit it is not so easy to see how this easily and successfully works out. For instance - let's say that a user has come looking for help and as it turns out the problem the user is having turns out to be in fact a defect with the software...at this point I would hope that the individual(s) helping this person out would offer to this user a quick pointer on how to enter this into our defect tracking system - just some links. So - I'm assuming that when user A (let's call her Sarah) came into the forum it was via our libreoffice address. She found a nice LibreOffice branded site - [quick question - we would have some type of pinned information about such things on the forum, and of course this content would need to change along with our them..yes] Now user B (let's call her Barb) is a long time OpenOffice.org user and quite happy Apache OpenOffice user, so naturally she came in using the AOO [u.s.oo.o] address - which again, naturally, displays a nice blue theme and a sticky post about reporting bugs... See where I'm going here? I'll stop here on this subject, for this email. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [POLL] own forums
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 11:56 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: > So, a quick +1/-1 in this thread would be nice to get an overview over > people's opinion. ;-) > +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 09:31 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Page is up, feel free to add to it: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/UsersForum > Hi Charles, Thanks for starting that page. I've gone ahead and made a few updates. I think the best way to handle the section for Platform Features is to put up a grid with features as rows and suspect platforms as columns. Will post back after that is started. I'd also encourage others to update the page directly, but if you really are not comfortable with that then please don't just say mum, send an email to the list or direct to me even (maybe Charles also, but can't speak for him) and one of us will get it into the wiki page. Finally - just to pick up on something Florian said - time - we have some here, so let's not just look at a forum package in a vacuum but take the time to see how this would fit into a broader UX view... Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 15:34 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go for me. > Howdy Florian right, well I have no doubt of the sincerity behind that comment, but it does get a bit dicey in practice IMO. For instance very few had a problem with pointing directly to the official Document Foundation and LibreOffice pages on Facebook - ads. Document Foundation and LibreOffice twitter accounts - ads. TDF/Libo G+ pages - no ads, yet. Alright, so a simple aversion to on-line ads is not the only determining factor, exceptions are made all the time. This is not a way to argue in favor of treating LibreOfficeForum.org or lo-portal.de/forum as 'official' sites, but I would like to again suggest that it, alone, is not a reason to in effect shun them either. IIRC Micheal Meeks, in one of his presentations, suggested a goal of 200 Million users for the LibreOffice suite - I think that is a laudable goal, and also believe that it will not be attained without this wealth of extended, external, activity. Which of course if not exactly on-topic and I will get directly back to topic in reply to an earlier email but for this point - I hope we can find some useful way to incorporate all the energy coming from these auxiliary effots - it's not easy I know but I think it will be well worth the effort. Now - off to write the on-topic email, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 17:07 -0500, drew wrote: > On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 06:20 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > > Hi Ken and all, > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > > > I will once again say, that of all the open source programs I've tried and > > > would like to use, LO is far and away the best organization at providing a > > > help system for everyone. > > > > You are right. But http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams > > are trying the forums they like :) > > > Chinese (Traditional) : > > http://ooo.tn.edu.tw/modules/xforum/viewforum.php?forum=6&type=0&mode=0&since=100&start=0&sortorder=DESC&sortname=f.forum_order > > A university based site is quite cool IMO > > > Georgian: > > http://ka.libreoffice.org/forum > > Well, the forum module on the main LibreOffice site has been used to > manage user accounts for those individuals granted publishing rights to > the NL site, not as an actual end user forum to date. So I think this is > an anomily. > > > Japanese: > > http://ja.libreofficeforum.org/forum > > Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but there > has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the site > from the main projects web properties. > > > Serbian: > > http://otvorenidokument.com/ > > Didn't know about this one - quite nice - I like MyBB at least what I've > seen of it before.. > > > > > It seems they are doing fine :) > > The last one for sure. and I will add one more to the inventory. The Danish community page http://da.libreoffice.org links from the Support entry on the main menu to http://www.oooforum.dk/ which has been around for a good while, prior to the fork. As you see this group chose a very simple joint branding approach. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 06:20 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Ken and all, > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > > I will once again say, that of all the open source programs I've tried and > > would like to use, LO is far and away the best organization at providing a > > help system for everyone. > > You are right. But http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams > are trying the forums they like :) > Chinese (Traditional) : > http://ooo.tn.edu.tw/modules/xforum/viewforum.php?forum=6&type=0&mode=0&since=100&start=0&sortorder=DESC&sortname=f.forum_order A university based site is quite cool IMO > Georgian: > http://ka.libreoffice.org/forum Well, the forum module on the main LibreOffice site has been used to manage user accounts for those individuals granted publishing rights to the NL site, not as an actual end user forum to date. So I think this is an anomily. With specific reference to Georgia I don't think we need to concern ourselves about an end user forum as the Georgian govt. is funding a full blown LibreOffice Portal project - they are well into the phase of finding and funding contractors to build the site now IIRC. > Japanese: > http://ja.libreofficeforum.org/forum Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but there has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the site from the main projects web properties. > Serbian: > http://otvorenidokument.com/ Didn't know about this one - quite nice - I like MyBB at least what I've seen of it before.. > > It seems they are doing fine :) The last one for sure. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 14:23 -0400, Marc-André Laverdière wrote: > grrr forums... grrr? is it chilly where your at, *smile*? Well, the area51 site has been setup for a while at: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/24564/libreoffice Also the site at http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ Neither has really taken off - what do you think should happen that would let us see what users think of it? Is it just adding a link to the website? Best wishes, //drew Again, would it do better with a link - you bet it would. > can we please try the stack exchange way and see what users think of it? > > On 4 Nov 2011 11:05, "Jonathan Aquilina" wrote: > > On 04/11/2011 15:56, drew wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > >> > ... > One thing i did forget to mention. If nabble is goign to be kept we can > link hot topics in the forums to closed discussions on the mailing list > directly to their appropriate section of the forum as well. > > > > Regards > > Jonathan Aquilina > > Get a signature like this. <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=17... > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? http://www.lib... > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 16:49 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > On 04/11/2011 16:45, drew wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 16:00 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > >> On 04/11/2011 15:56, drew wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > >>>> Hey guys I know there has been alot of chatter about user forums. Here > >>>> is my suggestion. > >>>> > >>>> I am setting up my own forums using phpbb and here are a few points that > >>>> i would like to make in regards to using it. > >>>> > >>>> 1) Localization > >>>> > >>>> I only need one language, but localization administration seems quite > >>>> easy to do via the administrator control panel. > >>>> > >>>> 2) Forum security. > >>>> > >>>> Forum security is a big issue especially against spammers and those who > >>>> break the forum rules. Image based captcha comes as part of phpbb and > >>>> one needs to ensure the appropriate required packages are installed for > >>>> it to work. > >>>> > >>>> Another issue is those people who break forum rules. Bans can be made > >>>> using a persons email address as well as ip address and vice versa to > >>>> ensure that a given person cannot re register. > >>>> > >>>> Forum permissions are easy to manage as well as everyone ends up in a > >>>> group, and those groups are given particular permissions depending on > >>>> the group. > >>>> > > > > This is, I think, a better time to continue this conversation not so > > much from the view of a web form features - but a bit more to see how > > much interest there is from folks willing to help answer questions that > > way - looking at those numbers on the wiki again one specific number > > that should not be overlooked is the number of un-answered topics on the > > phpBB de language forum - even inside the domain it's not a slam dunk - > > the key is less the package (phpBB/Joomla/Drupal) and much more who is > > actively watching out for activity. > > > > > > > Is there a way for all moderators to be emailed when there is a new > thread or post to a thread with out requiring all posts to be approved > by moderators? > Well, one does not need to be a moderator to have behavior, phpBB specifically, and with all of the packages I know off, any registered user can set a watch flag on a specific board(s) - though the BBS software packages have evolved to use a notification pattern weighted to be as un-obtrusive as possible. What that means is that when someone watches a list (or group of lists) a notification email is sent when the first update happens on (a new topic or new post - no packages I know of trigger an email if the only change is an edit to an existing post) that list - and does NOT send additional notifications until you login to the site next _and_ read at least one of the updates message threads. This can throw people at first. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 16:00 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > On 04/11/2011 15:56, drew wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > >> Hey guys I know there has been alot of chatter about user forums. Here > >> is my suggestion. > >> > >> I am setting up my own forums using phpbb and here are a few points that > >> i would like to make in regards to using it. > >> > >> 1) Localization > >> > >> I only need one language, but localization administration seems quite > >> easy to do via the administrator control panel. > >> > >> 2) Forum security. > >> > >> Forum security is a big issue especially against spammers and those who > >> break the forum rules. Image based captcha comes as part of phpbb and > >> one needs to ensure the appropriate required packages are installed for > >> it to work. > >> > >> Another issue is those people who break forum rules. Bans can be made > >> using a persons email address as well as ip address and vice versa to > >> ensure that a given person cannot re register. > >> > >> Forum permissions are easy to manage as well as everyone ends up in a > >> group, and those groups are given particular permissions depending on > >> the group. > >> > >> I am not sure if one already has an account on the wiki if phpbb can use > >> existing accounts in a particular database or someone would be required > >> to reregister again. > >> > >> Another perk about using phpbb we can then customize it to have a TDF > >> look and feel. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Hi Jonathan > > Cool - I think there are multiple persons here that would be interested > > in working on and at a forum (and Q+A) site for sure. > > > > Well, I was starting a reply to Florian's > > - There are a couple of LibreOffice branded web forums up and running > > already and then of course the mailing lists. > > > > - it made sense to me to take a quick look at where things really are, > > at the moment, to which end I've started pulling (maybe finished) some > > numbers together here: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/UserSupportTraffic > > > > > One thing i did forget to mention. If nabble is goign to be kept we can > link hot topics in the forums to closed discussions on the mailing list > directly to their appropriate section of the forum as well. Right - well, actually one doesn't need Nabble for that at all - you can link directly to an email in the TDF archive. This is, I think, a better time to continue this conversation not so much from the view of a web form features - but a bit more to see how much interest there is from folks willing to help answer questions that way - looking at those numbers on the wiki again one specific number that should not be overlooked is the number of un-answered topics on the phpBB de language forum - even inside the domain it's not a slam dunk - the key is less the package (phpBB/Joomla/Drupal) and much more who is actively watching out for activity. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Hey guys I know there has been alot of chatter about user forums. Here > is my suggestion. > > I am setting up my own forums using phpbb and here are a few points that > i would like to make in regards to using it. > > 1) Localization > > I only need one language, but localization administration seems quite > easy to do via the administrator control panel. > > 2) Forum security. > > Forum security is a big issue especially against spammers and those who > break the forum rules. Image based captcha comes as part of phpbb and > one needs to ensure the appropriate required packages are installed for > it to work. > > Another issue is those people who break forum rules. Bans can be made > using a persons email address as well as ip address and vice versa to > ensure that a given person cannot re register. > > Forum permissions are easy to manage as well as everyone ends up in a > group, and those groups are given particular permissions depending on > the group. > > I am not sure if one already has an account on the wiki if phpbb can use > existing accounts in a particular database or someone would be required > to reregister again. > > Another perk about using phpbb we can then customize it to have a TDF > look and feel. > > Regards > > Hi Jonathan Cool - I think there are multiple persons here that would be interested in working on and at a forum (and Q+A) site for sure. Well, I was starting a reply to Florian's - There are a couple of LibreOffice branded web forums up and running already and then of course the mailing lists. - it made sense to me to take a quick look at where things really are, at the moment, to which end I've started pulling (maybe finished) some numbers together here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/UserSupportTraffic Right now the libreoffice web forums are actually having a bit of a hard time, IMO, getting a lot of traction. While the mailing lists are performing fairly well I think, (it's all based on the size of the user base, bottom line..right?) Now the fact we don't link to any of those web properties directly (or not liberally might be a better term) from the main project site(s) is part of why the numbers are what they are, I believe. So - I really would agree with where Florian is going when he says he prefers the idea of - If a new site (forum), then lets do it within the formal site structure..which I know you offered to setup/admin same on a VM with the TDF infrastructure, I think that's a wonderful offer. anyway - A few more thoughts as I can fit in later this morning. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
t groups of individuals and though there needs to be some folks that look after things as a whole, or at least with a view beyond just one service. In other words recruiting (meeting the needs of) new volunteers (responders) is, by definition IMO, part of running a well functioning support service, be it a BBS style web forum, a Q+A style service or a end user mailing list. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] candidacy for BoD seat
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:01 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hello, > > hereby, I'd like to announce my candidacy for a Board of Directors seat > at The Document Foundation. Following-up the post to > steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org, I'd like to give some more > details and background about myself, and am happy to answer any > questions you may have. > > My name is Florian Effenberger, am 28 years of age, and I live in the > very south of Germany, in the beautiful Allgäu, 100 km southwest of of > Munich. I have been with TDF from the very beginning, serving in the > Steering Committee, and mostly responsible for marketing and > infrastructure, a field of activity where I also would like to > contribute in the future. Previously, I have been involved with > OpenOffice.org for seven years, for a long time being the marketing > contact for Germany, and in the end the lead of the international > marketing project and the distribution project. > > I am also in the Board of Directors of the German association "Freies > Office Deutschland e.V." (translated "Free Office Germany association", > previously OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V.), an entity set-up to > organize and arrange local events and activities, where I have been > serving since April 2008. FrODeV is also the interim legal entity for TDF. > > In my "real life", so to say, I am in the process of finishing my > studies and -- you may have guessed it given the long e-mails I usually > write :) -- work part-time as a freelancer for marketing and as a > freelance journalist, so I have no corporate affiliation at the moment. > > My main motivation for the candidacy is to ensure the daily operation of > the future Foundation, to provide a stable and secure framework not only > for our worldwide community, but also giving safety and confidence to > our corporate and private users around the globe. > > So, now it's your turn -- I am happy to answer any questions that may > occur. ;-) > Hello Florian Thanks for the time and effort you have put in here and over the years, I place great value, and am assured that others do as well, in your contributions. As background for my question to you: During some SC meetings, you have referred to FrODev.org as "the head association". Recently in an email thread on this list dealing with the question of a donation a button on LibreOffice web pages for FrODev you and I had this exchange: --- Drew: I would not be in favor of handing out literature with LibreOffice branding that asked for FrODeve specific donations. Florian: When FrODeV was the publisher, accountant, bank and legal entity behind all of that, -- I would like to ask your opinion on how you see the relationship between FrODev.org and TDF evolving after TDF becomes a legal entity. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Candidacy for a BoD seat - introduction
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 11:03 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > drew wrote: > > Specifically to you however I would like to inquire as to exactly what > > daily operations you envision for which your being situated in Germany > > will have any meaningful impact? > > > Hi Drew, > > thanks for asking! Beyond what Charles mentioned - there will be > some tasks, like taxes, snail mail, other dealings with authorities, > that'll need either physical presence, a German address, or at least > profound understanding of the language (or all of it). > > We won't need lots of directors being able to do that - but one or > two would be helpful. Having none would work as well - just make > things a bit more involved, since TDF would then likely need to > contract someone based in Germany, doing the admin work. > Thank you Thorsten Your thoughts on this seem quite reasonable IMO. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Candidacy for a BoD seat - introduction
On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 16:22 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Hi *, > > expanding a bit on my brief announcement to steering-discuss@, here's > a slightly more verbose introduction of myself and my motivations. > > Who am I? > > I'm one of the guys who brought you this funny project (being one of > the founding members), and also the hacker to blame for a bunch of > Impress bugs. I help Florian and the admin team a bit with the server > infrastructure, and I usually press the buttons for doing the > LibreOffice releases. In a previous life, I worked on OOo for Sun > Microsystems, mostly on low-level graphics stuff and the Impress > slideshow. Currently I'm a happy employee of the SUSE desktop team, > working fulltime on LibreOffice. > > On a more personal basis, I'm 37, have two kids, and live close to > Hamburg, in the northern part of Germany. > > What motivates me to work for TDF? > > It is my firm belief that an independent, open, and meritocratic > organisation is the right home for a project the size, and the > diversity, of LibreOffice. Being one of the founding members, I > consider it my duty to help creating, shaping, and maintaining such an > organisation. > > What will I be doing, should I get elected? > > Since I'm based in Germany, I'd help with the daily operations of the > Foundation. Hello Thorsten, I sent an email regarding the general question of what 'daily operations' entails. Specifically to you however I would like to inquire as to exactly what daily operations you envision for which your being situated in Germany will have any meaningful impact? Thanks much for your time, Drew Jensen > Beyond that, being a self-confessed hacker, I'd represent > the developers at the board level, and keep sticking to my bad old > habit of signing up for more action items than I could process in due > time. ;) > > I hope this answers at least a few questions - if you've more, please > don't hesitate to ask! > > Cheers, > > -- Thorsten > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Question to BOD candidates
Hi, I note that a number (perhaps all) of the folks declaring to run for a BOD seat have mentioned their desire to help with the 'daily operations'. Would any (all perhaps) of you please describe what you perceive as those daily operations to entail? Thanks in advance for you time, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice funds held by SPI
Hi, there was a question raised on the SC Discuss mailing list - I'll offer what I know here. To the best of my knowledge there has been 1 earmarked donation for LibreOffice to the Software in the Public Interest organization, $12,000 donated by Novell Corp., Provo, UT, USA, deposited to the SPI escrow account on June 22nd of this year I've seen no other donations earmarked for LibreOffice in any of the subsequent bank deposit notifications. The public accounting statement released on August 31st also shows the escrow balance for LibreOffice at $12,000.00 Hope that helps, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 17:48 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Wearing my FrODeV hat, being responsible for the interest of it and its > members, I can only support the idea of helping TDF as long as FrODeV > does not severely suffer from that - and right now, I want to find > solutions to stop that suffering. > Hi, Perhaps I should of changed subject lines - One possibility, which I know has been mentioned is the allowance of a handling fee to FrODev for the monies collected on behalf of the Document Foundation. I would certainly not object to doing such a thing - for a first thought on what that would mean: Perhaps the new BOD could pay a one time handling fee of 5% (I took the number from my understanding of what SPI charges for this) for all monies collected by FrODev into the TDF account at FrODev up to the time that account is closed and the TDF books and accounts are opened. I think that would be somewhere in the 5,000 euro range - to date. anyway - just one guys opinion :) //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 17:48 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > drew wrote on 2011-09-20 16:46: > > > Just on this last point - to clarify - I would be in favor of links to > > the FrODev.org website from pages on any of the TDF/LibreOffice > > websites. I would be in favor of a button (mechanism) on the FrODev.org > > websites for donations specifically for FrODev and exclusive from TDF. > > FrODeV indeed mentions the TDF account on their donations page: > http://www.frodev.org/spenden (at the bottom) > > > I would not be in favor of placing those donate buttons on > > TDF/LibreOffice web pages directly. > > Why? Hi, I'll pass on answering why, directly, for a moment. Just now I've finished listening to the latest SC meeting recording and the discussion regarding this point. First, I'm afraid my words are coming across more sternly then they were intended. I am in no way desires to see FrODev suffer as a result of their good works. back to the subject: FrODev is about to be broke, unless we help funnel some of the donation activity to the FrODev account. [which is how I hear it] so - my opinion would now be. Following perhaps, but changing slightly the comment from Micheal regarding two buttons on the German specific pages, I would be in favor of changing the German download page (and others TBD) such that the user could specify a percentage of the donation go to FrODev. (50/50 sounds good) I would recommend to make this quite obvious (ask the Designers in here IMO) and so design it with the clear goal of getting as many of the users as possible to select it. Following a comment from Florian in the SC meeting, to paraphrase: 'to at least do so till the discussions about how to integrate with NGOs overall takes place in Paris' - I would not be against doing this across the site in general, so English download page would be fine with me - then whatever text is used to explain the purpose of giving funds to FrODev that it simply states this is a special case situation with a known period of time. (A cut of date) Yes it still sets a precedence, however yes FrODev is a special organization with respect to TDF at this time. - this all would seem to fit well along with the other good point brought out in the meeting regarding archiving of the challenge page, with creation of a replacement for ongoing use. To be clear though - in general I do not think having direct donation requests on LibreOffice pages for external organizations is wise, though I do think TDF/LibreOffice pages should include links to external organization websites where appropriate ( and IMO should be fairly liberal in defining appropriate ) Best wishes, //drew final thought, if the SC did decide to do this across the site (or in English at least) I would recommend someone put together a very nice English page on the FrODev site covering who/what the association does, and as part of the 'text' on the download pages add a link to this new page. (not saying your current pages are not nice already..*smille*) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 15:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi Drew, > > Disclaimer: I am wearing a double hat here, since I am in the board of > directors at FrODeV, so I have to consider both sides (TDF and FrODeV). I think most people already knew that. > > drew wrote on 2011-09-20 14:51: > > > My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could > > be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations > > were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the > > association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. > > legally, all money is donated to FrODeV, because it is the legal entity > capable of accepting donations. SPI is another entity collecting > donations for TDF. > > Since donations are legally bound to certain reasons, FrODeV has set-up > a separate account "for TDF". Quotation marks, because at the moment, > TDF = FrODeV in legal terms, so both accounts belong to FrODeV. However, > two accounts make it easier to track the donations for one specific > reason, as we are legally bound. > > The problem is: Nearly 100% of the donations FrODeV as legal entity > received in the last months are for "the TDF". That means, that for > other activities of FrODeV, like their own web site, event > participation, production of merchandise and the like. > > > If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org > > working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. > > You'd better not ask this question, since otherwise, they may indeed > stop. ;-) > > > This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, > > getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on > > it's own feet, financially, at this point? > > This doesn't solve the problem. The money needs to belong to one entity, > someone needs to register domains and trademarks etc., and this entity > currently is FrODeV. TDF cannot stand on its own feet as long as it is > no legal entity. > > So, if you ask FrODeV to stop, that means that *ALL* activities would > need to be shut down *IMMEDIATELY*, until another organisation taking > care 1. of donations/handling money and 2. acting as interim legal > entity is found. Uh - no - what I said was - Pay the TDF bills from the TDF account and stop paying TDF bills from the FrODev specific (normal) account. Why else was there a separate TDF account created, if not to use it just this way? > > > Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? > > There are no fixed plans yet. FrODeV and TDF will be to separate > entities and each has to find their positioning. Sure, FrODeV might > donate to TDF and vice-versa, but this is a topic for the future. OK I was imprecise in that question. I would assume (note that word) that the first order of business for the BOD after TDF becomes legal would be to take control of all TDF financial matters, and that at this point FrODev (and it's members) would cease to have any official role with TDF accounting. Am I mistaken to assume this? Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 16:09 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: > > > > > It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website > > where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would > > be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, > > should IMO be at that site. > > > Again - seems to be my lack of English language - I don't get if you > after all agree to have the link at the donation page, or that (althoug you > have concerns) you would agree, that the German download page would be > the correct place to go? Hello André Just on this last point - to clarify - I would be in favor of links to the FrODev.org website from pages on any of the TDF/LibreOffice websites. I would be in favor of a button (mechanism) on the FrODev.org websites for donations specifically for FrODev and exclusive from TDF. I would not be in favor of placing those donate buttons on TDF/LibreOffice web pages directly. Following that train of thought then: I would be in favor of individuals working a trade show booth for LibreOffice in Germany also handing out literature showcasing FrODev and such literature asking for a donation directly to FrODev and exclusive of TDF. I would not be in favor of handing out literature with LibreOffice branding that asked for FrODeve specific donations. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hello Florian On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 10:01 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hello, > > I know the topic about local NGOs is still to be discussed, but since > the German situation is a bit different to other countries, I would like > to raise this specific topic now, after a discussion with the German > association's board. > > As you are all aware, the German association currently acts as interim > legal entity for TDF. Due to that, *all* donations that normally have > been donated to the German association, were donated to the TDF account. > In a nutshell: In the last three months, the German association did not > receive *any* donation, at least not via PayPal (and if any donation via > bank account, then only a small amount). My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. > However, still it does a lot > that is not paid by the TDF account, so I would like to propose the > following: If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on it's own feet, financially, at this point? Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? > > I would like to add a donate button to the German (and only to these) > download, extensions and template website. Donations done by these > buttons will *not* go to TDF, but rather to the German association directly. > > This should at least be an interim solution until we worked out a > concept for local NGOs. > > What do you think? > Among other concerns (which I've edited out of this email), I am worried about the precedent this sets. It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, should IMO be at that site. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] SC call notes for 2011-07-13
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 18:50 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Charles, > > thanks for the minutes - although I'd like to mention that I missed by a > few minutes due to some day work issue :-\ Thus, I removed my name from > the list of attendees. Whilst I added mine - perhaps it was a case of mistaken identity... :) Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOo / LO Extensions
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 20:57 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hello Jomar, > > > With the exception of the quite good points highlighted by Drew (some > extensions might break or might not work in AOOo) , I think AOOo is free to > point to our own extensions and templates website. Do know, however, that > although we accept FOSS licences only (including Apache!) we do already have > a specific branding of the site and that the extensions are tested and > supposed to work for LibreOffice first. I would not expect too much > compatibility problems for most of the extensions, but the issues will rise > as the time will pass. > > so a non-binding +1 to welcome AOOo using our extensions and templates > website. Just to clarify my view here: TDF certainly made use of the OO.o extension service to date - which is to say our users have. I am in favor of our communities working together, as equals. Right now populating the new LibO extension site with those current extensions from the OO.o site that comply with our license model helps everyone it would seem - mostly users as they get a stable service in likely the shortest possible time. So - as an interim solution I would say +1. Thanks, //drew > > best, > Charles. > > 2011/7/12 drew > > > On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 15:08 -0300, Jomar Silva wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > There is some discussion going on at the Apache OOo mail list > > > regarding the place to host extensions > > > (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/). > > > > > > It seems that the current hosting of extensions is facing some > > > problems, and it will be great if we find a new (and common) home for > > > the extensions, in a way that both Apache OOo and LibreOffice could > > > use as a shared extensions repository. > > > > Hi Jomar, > > > > hmmm - that is assuming that the two separate projects will maintain > > enough common code base that shared extensions are possible - that is a > > requirement that I for one would not want to see enforced. The fact that > > we can share extensions today is, IMO, a remnant of a past history and > > should not dictate decisions for going forward - so I would not be in > > favor our hosting Apache OpenOffice.org branded extensions on a > > TDF/LibreOffice service, nor would I be in favor or seeing > > TDF/Libreoffice continue to point back to Apache OpenOffice.org for any > > future end user services. > > > > One related item here - Templates I think are a totally different > > consideration. I can see the ability to share templates between all of > > the ODF capable applications as a reasonable goal, a very desirable > > goal. > > > > It is extensions that I am concerned with here - to put it simply, I do > > not consider LibreOffice a downstream product of OpenOffice.org code any > > longer as with this next release if I understand correctly there will be > > no merge of OO.o code, nor can I see how Apache OpenOffice can ever be a > > down stream of LibreOffice. > > > > Nor am not saying that the two separate projects must diverge for > > divergence sake, only that having a shared service would add resistance > > to diverging and that is something that I would strongly disagree with - > > our options are open as of today and I would prefer to see them stay > > that way. > > > > I understand that many people still hope that OO.o and LibreOffice will > > somehow blend back into a single project - I can only say that I am not > > one of those people. > > > > This idea that there is some finite set of resources is one I take > > exception with. In my best judgment the resources assembled here under > > TDF/LibreOffice are sufficient to take this project and product > > forward. > > > > I wish the folks forming up under Apache to resurrect the OpenOffice.org > > project all the best of luck on the project they have decided to > > undertake, but I truly believe that their actions should bear very > > little weight with the people working here when it comes to > > planing/building out our offerings to end users. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Drew Jensen > > > > > > > > > > We could also do the same to host templates. > > > > > > Any thoughts about that ? > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Jomar > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOo / LO Extensions
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 15:08 -0300, Jomar Silva wrote: > Hi, > > There is some discussion going on at the Apache OOo mail list > regarding the place to host extensions > (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/). > > It seems that the current hosting of extensions is facing some > problems, and it will be great if we find a new (and common) home for > the extensions, in a way that both Apache OOo and LibreOffice could > use as a shared extensions repository. Hi Jomar, hmmm - that is assuming that the two separate projects will maintain enough common code base that shared extensions are possible - that is a requirement that I for one would not want to see enforced. The fact that we can share extensions today is, IMO, a remnant of a past history and should not dictate decisions for going forward - so I would not be in favor our hosting Apache OpenOffice.org branded extensions on a TDF/LibreOffice service, nor would I be in favor or seeing TDF/Libreoffice continue to point back to Apache OpenOffice.org for any future end user services. One related item here - Templates I think are a totally different consideration. I can see the ability to share templates between all of the ODF capable applications as a reasonable goal, a very desirable goal. It is extensions that I am concerned with here - to put it simply, I do not consider LibreOffice a downstream product of OpenOffice.org code any longer as with this next release if I understand correctly there will be no merge of OO.o code, nor can I see how Apache OpenOffice can ever be a down stream of LibreOffice. Nor am not saying that the two separate projects must diverge for divergence sake, only that having a shared service would add resistance to diverging and that is something that I would strongly disagree with - our options are open as of today and I would prefer to see them stay that way. I understand that many people still hope that OO.o and LibreOffice will somehow blend back into a single project - I can only say that I am not one of those people. This idea that there is some finite set of resources is one I take exception with. In my best judgment the resources assembled here under TDF/LibreOffice are sufficient to take this project and product forward. I wish the folks forming up under Apache to resurrect the OpenOffice.org project all the best of luck on the project they have decided to undertake, but I truly believe that their actions should bear very little weight with the people working here when it comes to planing/building out our offerings to end users. Sincerely, Drew Jensen > > We could also do the same to host templates. > > Any thoughts about that ? > > Best, > > Jomar > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference Promo video - Be there!
Hi, I would like to introduce a second LibreOffice Conference Promo videos - Be there! The video is currently playing at: http://youtube.com/libreofficevols channel A master copy of the video, in multiple formats, is here, feel free to download a copy: http://lo-portal.us/temp/conference/LibreOffice-Conference-Be_there.ogg http://lo-portal.us/temp/conference/LibreOffice-Conference-Be_there.mp4 (Both files are full 1080i resolution, so if you open directly in a browser be sure to zoom out... ;-) Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fourth of July Libreoffice promo video
Hi, The idea of putting together a quick promotional video about LibreOffice and the TDF community activity in my area came during a discussion about Canada Day, Friday last, on the US marketing mailing list. So - I'm happy to refer you to the fruit of that idea - wrapped up a little, less then 2 minute promotional style video just a few minutes past midnight on July 4th, my time, which includes some nice fireworks footage, IMO. Currently the video is featured on the LibreOffice Vols youtube site: http://youtube.com/user/libreofficevols for anyone wanting a copy of the master file, that has been archived under CC3 license at: http://www.archive.org/details/LinuxfestNorthwest2011-Libreoffice Also, as a BTW,I include some links to resources used on my Blog: http://drewjensen.typepad.com (July 3 post) That's it..thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [Hackfest] Ohio Linux Fest
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 15:36 -0400, drew wrote: > Just a quick note. > > Have sent off the formal request to the OHLF organizers..will keep folks > posted as specifics firm up. > Hi, Quick note. Exchanged a few emails with one of the other organizers of the show. No final yes - but looks good. One slight change is looking likely - moving this from Friday the 9th to Saturday the 10th. I think that would be a plus. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:40 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > OK, this is just a teaser to entice people into a discussion of the > following proposal. > > There is talk on the documentation list of the formats made available to > users of our documents (manuals, reference books, etc). These for now > are in .odt (ODF) and .pdf (Adobe) and possibly .html (being discussed > on the documentation list). Hi Marc, Well when you say .pdf you mean a file descriptor. How about we rather talk about ISO 3200-1, a standard often called PDF 1.7. Perhaps we could talk about PDF/A as a standard. (Laughing, that is sure to get a response...) OK - so a LibreOffice reader? I would say what about an ODF reader and there are already a few: http://odf-viewer.findmysoft.com/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/odfreader/ Then there are a few for mobile platforms: Android, iOS and Palm The root problem IMO is that ODF isn't designed to do what PDF is designed to do, meaning simply that each has a place and a purpose. But that doesn't there isn't some room for an ODF reader with some tie in with LibreOffice branding, per se. Just my thought on this anyway. Thanks, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
Just a quick note. Have sent off the formal request to the OHLF organizers..will keep folks posted as specifics firm up. Thanks, drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Things a Hackfest facilitator should know ws ( Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest )
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:44 -0400, drew wrote: > So - my thinking here is that the important items to have in place > (someone) has to be able to competently field/handle/help with the > following: > > Getting the source code from the GIT repositories. > Finding the Easy Hacks page. > Work with our bugzilla system (including pulling lists of bugs/feature > requests for given search criteria) > Connecting with the developers on IRC How to to do a backtrace. (setting up gdb under linux I suppose, does this then mean also a debug enabled build?) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
Hi LeMoyne, et al On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:46 -0700, John LeMoyne Castle wrote: > Seems to me this thread used to be longer in Nabble 8-0 Different Mailing List. > I am still interested Drew and I had this thought: > Even if a HackFest can't be drawn together it would be very useful to the > attendees and LibreOffice to have at least a table where people could report > issues (as new or as confirmation of existing issues), get coaching on > appropriate upgrades, and maybe do a little testing around their known > issues, hard to reproduce issues or just visit areas that are important to > them as users. > Seems like an excellent chance for solid feedback from committed and > skillful users. Thanks for the feedback LeMoyne. Yes a table is planned for sure. User feedback is a big reason to be there and I've been a bit tardy in getting a report up on such from the last event. I'll try to rectify that later today. (Hint - mail merge is a big deal to business users) Our release options was already a point that came up in the last event also. So - my thinking here is that the important items to have in place (someone) has to be able to competently field/handle/help with the following: Getting the source code from the GIT repositories. Finding the Easy Hacks page. Work with our bugzilla system (including pulling lists of bugs/feature requests for given search criteria) Connecting with the developers on IRC Alright that is a pretty short list. What else should go on that? Thanks //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 09:07 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > > On 06/21/2011 11:08 AM, drew wrote: > > Anyway - would really be excited about you participating - I'm kind of > > running blind as to what exactly is needed for this. Might be over > > thinking it (I have that tendency at times). > I was personally asked to submit a talk after things were closed. Great > Sooo I would submit something if you desire and send an email > personally, especially for something like a table. - that will just have go to them today then. > > Took me a while to subscribe My initial attempts while sending email > simply failed for no reason obvious to me; but it was likely user error. Adios amigo, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 00:23 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: > The document is on the wiki. > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDFCertification > > This might become a huge project, and a new business model for free > software on the desktop. A challenge for the entire community, and one > of the reasons for having an independent foundation and not a house for > the code. > > Contents are not confidential, of course, as otherwise they would not be > on the wiki, but it must be clear that this is going to become a real > project after a long incubation. > > Everyone is warmly invited to comment and provide suggestions. > The first article is out and 2 comments from non-community members: http://lwn.net/Articles/448768/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:25 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > I proposed a talk on OOo / LO and plan to attend. Did not put in much > time on the proposal so not sure if it will be accepted. If something is > happening there, count me in. Hi Andres, It is great to see you here. So where is this: Talked with Beth Ann E. at SELF 10 days ago about, she was very enthusiastic and wanted me to contact her direct about getting it done. Tried to get a little interest started here first - that seems to be getting traction, so sent her a message a couple of days ago. No response yet, thought I'd wait till tomorrow before pinging her again. No formal proposal to them yet, but was thinking that is a good way to ping her - didn't check if the OHLF website is still taking them as the cut-off date has passed - so might still have to rely on a direct email. Anyway - would really be excited about you participating - I'm kind of running blind as to what exactly is needed for this. Might be over thinking it (I have that tendency at times). best wishes, Drew > > On 06/21/2011 02:46 AM, John LeMoyne Castle wrote: > > Seems to me this thread used to be longer in Nabble 8-0 > > I am still interested Drew and I had this thought: > > Even if a HackFest can't be drawn together it would be very useful to the > > attendees and LibreOffice to have at least a table where people could report > > issues (as new or as confirmation of existing issues), get coaching on > > appropriate upgrades, and maybe do a little testing around their known > > issues, hard to reproduce issues or just visit areas that are important to > > them as users. > > Seems like an excellent chance for solid feedback from committed and > > skillful users. > > LeMoyne > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest-September-9th-Ohio-Linux-Fest-tp3069297p3089492.html > > Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > -- > Andrew Pitonyak > My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt > Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Brasilian Community releases DVD .iso image
Hi, Just wanted to say 'Good Job!' to the members of the Brasilian community for getting the DVD .iso distribution for LibreOffice 3.3.3 out in such a timely way. http://dvd.brasil.libreofficebox.org/ Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 08:46 -0700, Keith Curtis wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:08 AM, BRM wrote: > > > And TDF/LO is the real fork in this case. In your opinion it would have > > been a > > necessary fork, but it is the fork nonetheless. Any argument otherwise is > > revisionist history. > > > > LO was a fork, but that was the for many months ago. Yes and the transfer of OpenOffice.org to Apache is just that, a transfer. I'd add only one other comment - One doesn't have to like something in order to accept or acknowledge it. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:37 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: er... I don't know. Let's skip the word charter, because it might be > meaning one word in my language (french) and another one -or a nuance > of it- in English. Let's use the word: agreement instead. What several > NGOs had told us is that they would like to have a formal > agreement/understanding in order to carry out specific operations > locally, on our behalf, and others that would also collect or reverse > funds for TDF and themselves. > > Do you understand a bit better what I mean? Makes perfect sense to me now. Adios, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:18 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Le Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:34:48 -0400, > drew a écrit : > > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:53 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > Hello Martin, > > > > > > Answering to the discuss AT TDF list as I'm not subscribed to the > > > other ones... > > > > > > > > > Le Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:39:54 +0200, > > > Martin Hollmichel a écrit : > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > Do you have a concrete proposal? > > > > yes, I have. > > > > > > > > First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of > > > > decision making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to > > > > me. I like that style. This fits perfectly to the "meritocracy" > > > > principle. > > > > > > > > My understanding is, that this principle is based on > > > > * contributing individuals > > > > * organizations/institutions contributing developers and/or money > > > > for the infrastructure/governance, these organizations contribute > > > > because they have derived products or other business around the > > > > regarding software. So users are represented in this model by own > > > > work power or indirectly by companies. > > > > This principle has been proven to work quite well for many open > > > > source projects. > > > > > > > > I think this principle may get enhanced by enabling a non profit > > > > organization to have their own resources on a project (This might > > > > fit into the Apache philosophy considering this organization as an > > > > contributing institution). I think this is necessary because > > > > there is already a lot of business happening around OpenOffice, > > > > but most of these businesses are just to small or have not the > > > > right expertise to execute on the "meritocracy" principle. > > > > So what the OOo project missed most was to have a path to get > > > > product feature or tasks done (or just 4th level support) with > > > > the help of money offered. > > > > > > > > So my proposal is continue project decisions the Apache Style but > > > > also to find a framework to make product decisions in a manner > > > > that also the concerns of Users, local communities, QA, business > > > > partners, etc. get honored. This framework also should enable to > > > > collect money so that development (committer) resources can be > > > > found to get the issues addressed in an equitable process. > > > > > > > > We already have thousands of feature requests and enhancements in > > > > the queue, we are putting a new bunch of requirements on top of > > > > it through the current transition to Apache, I think we should > > > > seek the power of _all_ OOo communities, users and businesses to > > > > achieve significant growth to make OOo a better and successful > > > > product. And I did not even included wishes like ODF Viewers, > > > > mobile and Cloud services around OOo. > > > > > > > > My offer is to develop (with all concerned parties) a new charter > > > > for all the groups mentioned above (as a successor of the > > > > Community Council Charter) and enable the project to have own > > > > development resources. The non profit organization Team > > > > OpenOffice.org e.V. played in the past just the role of being the > > > > cash box of the CC in a quite defensive way > > > > (http://download.openoffice.org/contribute.html, will you find > > > > the path to donate ??), now Team OOo is preparing to offer a link > > > > between business, communities, users and developers to enable > > > > growth on the new futile ground we are now moving on. > > > > > > > > > If I understand well your proposal concerns as well the LibreOffice > > > project. The principles you have outlined above are very much the > > > same ones the Document Foundation has been advocating and > > > implementing. > > > > > > In this respect we would welcome working with Team OOo (and other > > > NGOs) You are also right to stress on the need to work on a charter > > > for all the NGOs, > > > > Hi Charles, > > > > I did not read that in his remarks. > > I sort of read that actually , but
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:08 +0300, sophie wrote: > Hi Drew, > On 17/06/2011 13:34, drew wrote: > [...] > > People in other countries are capable of directing their own affairs, I > > would think. > Yes, and as we have seen with OOo, it works really well. Hi Sophie, Thanks for the quick reply. I do not know how to take your sentence above - are you actually agreeing with me or are you saying that there was a actually a problem, or problems? (not trying to be cute, it's just I'll freely admit that you refer to situations I am not knowledgeable off) Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:53 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hello Martin, > > Answering to the discuss AT TDF list as I'm not subscribed to the other > ones... > > > Le Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:39:54 +0200, > Martin Hollmichel a écrit : > > > Hi Sam, > > > Do you have a concrete proposal? > > yes, I have. > > > > First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of decision > > making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I like that > > style. This fits perfectly to the "meritocracy" principle. > > > > My understanding is, that this principle is based on > > * contributing individuals > > * organizations/institutions contributing developers and/or money for > > the infrastructure/governance, these organizations contribute because > > they have derived products or other business around the regarding > > software. So users are represented in this model by own work power or > > indirectly by companies. > > This principle has been proven to work quite well for many open source > > projects. > > > > I think this principle may get enhanced by enabling a non profit > > organization to have their own resources on a project (This might fit > > into the Apache philosophy considering this organization as an > > contributing institution). I think this is necessary because there is > > already a lot of business happening around OpenOffice, but most of > > these businesses are just to small or have not the right expertise to > > execute on the "meritocracy" principle. > > So what the OOo project missed most was to have a path to get product > > feature or tasks done (or just 4th level support) with the help of > > money offered. > > > > So my proposal is continue project decisions the Apache Style but also > > to find a framework to make product decisions in a manner that also > > the concerns of Users, local communities, QA, business partners, etc. > > get honored. This framework also should enable to collect money so > > that development (committer) resources can be found to get the issues > > addressed in an equitable process. > > > > We already have thousands of feature requests and enhancements in the > > queue, we are putting a new bunch of requirements on top of it through > > the current transition to Apache, I think we should seek the power of > > _all_ OOo communities, users and businesses to achieve significant > > growth to make OOo a better and successful product. And I did not even > > included wishes like ODF Viewers, mobile and Cloud services around > > OOo. > > > > My offer is to develop (with all concerned parties) a new charter for > > all the groups mentioned above (as a successor of the Community > > Council Charter) and enable the project to have own development > > resources. The non profit organization Team OpenOffice.org e.V. > > played in the past just the role of being the cash box of the CC in a > > quite defensive way (http://download.openoffice.org/contribute.html, > > will you find the path to donate ??), now Team OOo is preparing to > > offer a link between business, communities, users and developers to > > enable growth on the new futile ground we are now moving on. > > > If I understand well your proposal concerns as well the LibreOffice > project. The principles you have outlined above are very much the same > ones the Document Foundation has been advocating and implementing. > > In this respect we would welcome working with Team OOo (and other > NGOs) You are also right to stress on the need to work on a charter for > all the NGOs, Hi Charles, I did not read that in his remarks. > and this is somewhere on our task list here. People in other countries are capable of directing their own affairs, I would think. Unless you are thinking of creating franchises, is that your goal? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
Howdy, Had a chance to speak with one of the organizers for the Ohio Linux fest (Columbus, Ohio, USA) regarding the possibility of holding a LibreOffice hackfest/QA session. They are quite interested and motivated to help us do this. The date would be Friday September 9th, this day is mostly used at this event for hand-on training and certification testing. As this point the show organizers are waiting to here from us regarding our interest in putting this together. Before pursuing this with them and either waisting everyones time or setting up one big FAIL I would like to see if there is interest from other community members, particularly developers, willing to help. Let me know - sooner is much better then later on this. Thanks very much, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] About elections
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 11:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > given that the Foundation is close to being created, and that we have > now nearly 100 approved members (thanks to the membership committee > for > their great work!), I guess that in the near future we should think > about holding elections for the future board of directors. +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Hackfest in Munich
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 14:23 -0500, Robert Derman wrote: > Thorsten Behrens wrote: > > Florian Effenberger wrote: > > > >>> Thanks for announcing this. Maybe we should also know if you have to be > >>> there in person or can you participate remotely? > >>> > >> the event is planned on-site. Maybe we can get some remote > >> connection involved, but primarily, it is for hacking at the place > >> :) > >> > >> > > Quite - you can get hacking help on irc every day - but one key part > > of a hackfest is the social component. > > > > It would therefore be just cool to have those kind of events spread > > across the globe. I believe we've hackers on every continent. :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- Thorsten > > > We certainly need something like this for North America, U.S.A. and > Canada. Could not agree more with that thought - want to help make that a reality? Let's pick it up on the US (NA) list and see where it goes. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] New technical home for http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/?? (was: Re: Forums - A Different Question)
On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 17:48 +0200, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: > Hi NoOp, *, > > NoOp schrieb: > > On 04/30/2011 01:56 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> Harold Fuchs wrote: > > >>> Has Oracle given permission for TDF to use its forum, or doesn't > >>> TDF need such permission? Does TDF *want* to use an Oracle > >>> resource? > > >> I think Drew has already explained this on multiple mailing lists, > >> anyway: the forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/ are run > >> by community members and not by Oracle, they explicitly include > >> LibreOffice among the supported software (see page header), > > sounds great.. > > >> they can be used with no need for permissions from Oracle, and they > >> are probably the best place where LibreOffice users can get support > >> if they don't like mailing lists. > > [..] > > > Sorry, but I'd have to disagree... > > http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use > > The resources are owned and operated by Oracle. > > might be it's worth thinking to offer that resource a new (technical) > home free of fear regarding continuation of the infrastucture?? ;o)) Howdy, My honest take (working assumption) is that as long as Oracle is supporting the main OO.o website they would support the forums, by continuing the hosting gratis. If the first changes, then who knows - I am certain of this, from knowing the group of people at the forums, it wouldn't go away, there would be an appropriate home found. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:55 +0200, James Wilde wrote: > On Apr 26, 2011, at 18:57 , David Nelson wrote: > > > Hi Sam, > > > > I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the > > LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by > > Charles Schulz. Sorry about that. Personally, I have no issues with > > your site. > > > > I think Drew is willing to debate the matter. Maybe a solution could > > be found? Would removing the advertising be a possibility? > > > > Anyway, just to keep you informed... > > > I don't know whether I've missed something coming to this thread late, but is > there an explanation of why they requested that the link be removed? Hi James, That would best come from me perhaps. The reason is actually rather simple - during this discussion it was apparent that a number of people where strongly opposed to linking directly to that forum. I do not think anyone would say that any type of agreement let alone consensus had been reached. while this was going one of the people with edit rights to the main web pages added links to the site, without I believe realizing that this was being discussed still. My asking that person to remove the link should be construed as meaning that the action was not appropriate at this time. Beyond that I would like to make a few comments more directly to a few points raised, but they would be best added to the emails in which they were raised and I will do so as time permits during the day. I hope that answers your question on the specific point. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 12:27 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> Hi Drew, *,
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:05 AM, drew wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:44 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> >> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza
> >> wrote:
> > [...]
> > In general I would like to see the ads limited and focused, but out
> > right banned in favor of a donate button - I don't see the difference,
> > do you really think that a donate button means that the money doesn't go
> > to the owner or that they will stop taking donations as soon as the cost
> > is covered.
Howdy,
> I do see a difference,
Fair enough.
> It is not about that they get money, it is
> /how/ the money is collected.
Also fair enough.
> It is the impression that the user will
> get. Clicking a donate button is a voluntary choice by the user
> clicking that button. Being presented/forced to view an advertisement
> is not an optional thing.
Was not the user forced to view the donate advertisement, that is what
it is after all, an advertisement.
The user of a display ad is not forced to click on it.
A user could user an ad blocker to keep themselves from being 'insulted'
by the advertisement (I assume as I do not use one), but if I understand
correctly this would not turn off the donate advertisement. (I'm not
really sure on that.)
>
> > What would you do with the forum at http://lo-portal.de
> > In or Out?
>
> I wonder why this can not be clear - (did you forget to turn off your
> adblocker?)
Again, I don't use one, so I see all those ads.
>
> It is a definite "Out". it has animated, blinking banner-style adds.
> That's just annoying and way too much. The adds are at the top, at the
> left, at the right, at the bottom. That's way too much.
> >> So bottom line is: If you want to have your forum listed on the LO
> >> webpage, you must not have ads, neither textual nor graphcial
> >> ("sponsored by" is OK). That is my POV.
> >
> > Bottom line - I think that is too stringent, but it is a close call IMO.
>
> Not really. Either you want to support the project, by donating your
> server or your time, or you want to get revenue by having ads.
> After all setting up a forum is not rocket science,
@Hagar, guys - I'm done.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Question about proposing the creation of a new format
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 11:17 +0200, CaStarCo wrote: > 2011/4/25 Italo Vignoli > > > On 04/25/2011 08:59 AM, todd rme wrote: > > > > Sounds like latex > >> > > > > Apart from discussions on the characteristics of the file format, ebooks > > are definitely outside the scope of The Document Foundation. There are > > already several organizations working around ebooks, and taking care of the > > related problems. > > > > Wich organizations? I think that if we have to trust that these > organizations will innovate we are going to wait a very long time. I know > that I am not a guru and not and expert, but I think that this work is not > impossible.. then, why the actual ebooks are that set of static crap? why > it's so difficult to make technic books for ebook readers? the usage of > semantic data is restricted in a very poor set of cases... and the > "standard" format EPUB is very Spartan. > > I was writting to the OpenDocument Foundation Close - but not quite - this is a list for The Document Foundation. The OpenDocument standard is overseen by a different organization, OASIS - http://www.oasis-open.org/ > because i thought it was a > little more than LibreOffice... It's only LibreOffice? I hope that it will be eventually. Thanks Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Question about proposing the creation of a new format
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 09:39 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: > On 04/25/2011 08:59 AM, todd rme wrote: > > > Sounds like latex > > Apart from discussions on the characteristics of the file format, ebooks > are definitely outside the scope of The Document Foundation. Hello Italo, As far as LibreOffice being a display client for ebooks, I would agree it is not in scope. However, should LibreOffice have support for producing documents targeted to eReaders? I don't know maybe, probably. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:44 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> Hi Augistine, *,
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza
> wrote:
> > I have no issues with a forum that is commercial presumably to [b]cover
> > costs[/b]. As Andy says, the ads are easily blocked (in that I had no need
> > to take specific steps to block ads from that site).
>
> But the point was about listing forums as "officially approved" or
> somthing along those lines, and then I don't want the forum to list
> ads.
Hi Christian.
> It is OK if it has a paypal or whatever donate link to explicitly
> cover the costs of running the server (but it must be clear that this
> is different than to donate to TDF/LO itself), but no google-adwords
> or even worse graphical ads.
In general I would like to see the ads limited and focused, but out
right banned in favor of a donate button - I don't see the difference,
do you really think that a donate button means that the money doesn't go
to the owner or that they will stop taking donations as soon as the cost
is covered.
> Also perfectly fine to list the sponsor (the one who hosts the
> forum/runs it/pays for it) the header or footer.
>
> compare http://libreoffice-forum.de/ with http://libreofficeforum.org/
>
> I don't have a problem with listing the first, but I don't want to
> link the second one as approved forum because of the ads.
> (Not to mention the lack of subcategories that has been mentioned before)
I do not like the ads and the number of them on libreofficeforum but I
would not feel so strongly is they where focused, as is it is a bit too
commercial for my taste. (actually I was totally against ads, at all, in
the beginning but I've started to change my mind on that)
What would you do with the forum at http://lo-portal.de
In or Out?
>
> And it doesn't matter whether you or others don't see it because you
> got adblock installed.
Actually it is not adbolck, it is that if you register then no ads,
IIRC.
> The other visitors that follow links from the
> lo website don't have that enabled, thus they do see the ads.
Yup that is the rub.
> So bottom line is: If you want to have your forum listed on the LO
> webpage, you must not have ads, neither textual nor graphcial
> ("sponsored by" is OK). That is my POV.
Bottom line - I think that is too stringent, but it is a close call IMO.
Thanks
Drew
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Re: [tdf-discuss] using information from OOo lists for LibO marketing? (was: Fwd: [users] Licensing Details)
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 10:52 +0200, James Wilde wrote: > I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I can write the intended > message on the OOo list without breaching Bernhard's desire not to rile > former colleagues. > > However, one thing I do think is extremely interesting is that no-one has yet > answered the OPs message on the list, Hi James, If I may - you intention for being connected to both projects I take it, is to support both projects, yes? Then why not simply respond to him on the OpenOffice.org mail list and answer his question as asked - from the OpenOffice.org perspective? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > 2011/4/21 drew > > > On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > > > 2011/4/21 James Wilde > > > > > > > Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note > > about > > > > LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning > > at the > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > //James > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > From: SAEED AHMED > > > > > Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 > > > > > To: "us...@openoffice.org" > > > > > Subject: [users] Licensing Details > > > > > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does > > > not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also > > > presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of > > course, > > > with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, > > > Malaysian, or UK legal practices > > > > > > Henri > > > > > > That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. > > > > He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. > > > > To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be > > tolerated. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Drew Jensen > > > > «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of > opinion* that *makes horse races*.» > Hi Henri Sorry, I have to disagree. If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so in the open, on that mailing list. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > 2011/4/21 James Wilde > > > Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about > > LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the > > bottom. > > > > //James > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: SAEED AHMED > > > Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 > > > To: "us...@openoffice.org" > > > Subject: [users] Licensing Details > > > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity, > > which intent to supply around 500 desktops. > > > > > > The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like to > > propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops. > > > > > > Request to share the details on licensing in case of any. > > > > > > The Following components need to imply. > > > > > > 1. Full version and Perpetual use by client > > > 2. Patches and Support till the product is supported by > > Openoffice.Org > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i > > Infotech Ltd. > > > Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email: > > saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > * 3i Infotech wins the "WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces 2010" > > Award > > > > > > * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you > > >Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal. > > > > > > This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally > > privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the > > original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, > > please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient > > acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated > > companies,(collectively "3i Infotech"), are unable to exercise control or > > ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information > > contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views > > expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding > > nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so > > expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any attachments > > please check them for viruses and defects. > > > > Well, James, as I read that last paragraph above, Mr Ahmed requests those > who have «erroneously received» his posting to notify him in that event. > Thus I presume you are within your rights to contact him whether or no your > receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does > not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also > presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, > with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, > Malaysian, or UK legal practices > > Henri That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] The fast evolving shape of documents
Hi, Just thought I'd pass along a reference to this article: http://drdobbs.com/tools/229400040 As is often the case some of the comments to the article are quite interesting also: (for those that don't subscribe the mag) "The key item is that the historical use of static monochromatic text is no longer necessary. It is technically possible for documents to in- clude animation, multiple colors, and even three dimensions. Since software applications are dynamic and fast moving, I should think that animated software design methods would improve software quality and reliability. Ordinary news documents and journals could also expand by includ- ing some animated segments. This already occurs with some of the ads that pop up when you access journals, but I'm speaking of editorial content and not extraneous marketing material." —Capers Jones "To make electronic forms of documents an adequate, perhaps superior replacement for printed documents, we need three levels of independ- ent abstractions for documents: the document itself, how the docu- ment is rendered on a particular media or device, and the markup for that document. A document should be able to be rendered through a transformation that is a function of a device and display parameters. This leads to the notion that page numbers simply are not ideal for electronic documents. Also, I’d like the markup to reference, but be separate from, the book. I want my markup to be durable, but one thing that this could also give us is multiple markups for the same doc- ument. Of course, this markup needs to be rendered also. So, the pipeline is Document->Document+Markup->Display Device. Markup also needs to go back from Display-Control to portable markup." —Geoffrey Pascoe "As a Content Manager and Knowledge Management system consultant for the same software company, I’m still amazed at how we hold on to the “book” paradigm when it comes to documentation. This includes our product documentation group." —Michael Boor A little something to chew over perhaps. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] North American Community Inaugural Meeting
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 22:52 -0400, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: > On 04/17/2011 02:08 PM, drew wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I would like to ask the members of the LibreOffice community residing in > > North America for a few minutes of your time. > > > > First - to please take ~six minutes of your time in order to watch the > > video found here: > > > > http://www.facebook.com/v/1840388402746 > > Hi Drew, > > Can this video be posted elsewhere so it's not exclusively on Facebook > in Flash ? I'll gladly help putting it on archive.org if you point me to > its source. > > Cheers, > > Fabian > > -- > LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca > de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ > ~ > Fabián Rodríguez > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab > > http://www.archive.org/details/AnnounceInauguralMeetingOfLibreofficeNorthAmericanCommunity *smile*...obviously will need a better naming scheme.. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 20:15 -0400, Jason Corfman wrote: > >From my perspective, there are two major OpenOffice.org forums, and if you > ask me, right now, neither are very good alternatives. > > The first is http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum. While it is a > community forum, it was set up back in 2007 on (then) Sun servers, which are > currently controlled by Oracle. Considering last week's announcement from > Oracle about turning OpenOffice.org over to the community, you have to > wonder how long Oracle will allow that forum to be hosted on their servers, > and if it gets booted off, where will it go? Hi Jason, I think that is precisely what prompted Ricardo to venture over here and ask the question he did - he and some of others where looking to reach out and see if this group might be willing to step in if that happened - It didn't go so well. so - If you think that neither of the OO.o forums are good alternatives what would you suggest? Also - There is already ancillary forums going up that are LibreOffice specific, or at least carry the LibO name, two are German language only (one straight phpBB and one a Joomla mod) and one multi language (a Drupal mod), including English and German for that matter, so three German language web forums already . Thanks Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 21:05 -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2011/04/17 8:29 PM Michelle Konzack wrote: > > Hello aqualung, > > > > Am 2011-04-17 11:26:23, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > >> The http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ should be at or near the > >> top. > > WHY? I think the first one should be the ORIGINAL mailinglist, because > > it is more ipmortant. Also WHY "OpenOffice" and not "LibreOffice"? > > > > Of you want an OpenOffice Forum, you should ask Oracle for it! :-D > Did you read this discussion? Did you look at > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ? > If you had looked at the forum you would have seen that it is a "User > community support forum > for OpenOffice.org, StarOffice, NeoOffice and LibreOffice". > > Some people on this list stated that support forums already existed and there > is no need for a > new one. Aqualung was suggesting that there to be links to them on the > support pages. > > As for your inane statement "Of you want an OpenOffice Forum, you should ask > Oracle for it!", > you should do some research before making such an idiotic comment. > > Your attitude is an insult to all of us at that forum who provide support for > OpenOffice.org > and all its derivatives, including LibreOffice. Hi Larry, Just got done reading the thread also. I can only assume that Sophie's comment telling Ricardo that he needs to understand collaboration comes from a place of complete ignorance on her part as to his contributions. As for the rest of it - like the guys on the forum said after this exchange - it's like talking people in a time warp. Adios Amigos, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] North American Community Inaugural Meeting
> > > > Way to go! Thank you for setting this up. Thanks Charles, but this chick is far from hatched still. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] North American Community Inaugural Meeting
Hi folks, I would like to ask the members of the LibreOffice community residing in North America for a few minutes of your time. First - to please take ~six minutes of your time in order to watch the video found here: http://www.facebook.com/v/1840388402746 and to consider the proposals made in it. The Doodle poll mentioned in the video can be found here: http://doodle.com/76xtkw3m42793zqq A wiki page has been started (rather lame at the moment but will be fleshed out over the next few days) here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/North-American-Community Coordination efforts are primarily happening on the US Marketing mailing list. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/US-Marketing-f1717244.html Thanks, in advance, for you time and consideration, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 09:45 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the > name? +1 Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Help with telling the story Re: [tdf-discuss] Accessibility: What's the story?
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 17:30 +, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Joanie, > > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:24 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > > > * Is there an active a11y team and/or developers focused on > > > a11y issues in LibreOffice? > > > > Sure there are people with a focus on this. I am not sure if we > > actually can speak of 'a team'. > > Quite - whether there is a team at OO.o is a similar question ;-) there > are people who can help fix problems. From ORCA's perspective, I created > the design, prototype, and ~50% of the existing atk bridge in vcl; so I > wouldn't fret that we are skill-less in this area :-) > > Furthermore, it is far easier to work on LibreOffice process-wise to > get fixes in, so I anticipate (over time) a better accessibility > experience; and of course we welcome patches (on the dev list). > Hi, If I may change the subject here for a moment. When lasted I noted any comment on the OO.o lists with regard to the IAccessibilty code coming from IBM, IIRC, the comment was that it was 'not yet integrated' - I don't know if that is still true. From LibreOffice stand point, I am not sure I have heard what the plan is, would that integration be merged here? (if the answer is still don't know till we see it - that's a valid answer) I remember watching the session on accessibility at the last OOoConn and I know there was a MS rep there, as I remember you had some small interaction. I'm don't know then if your (the dev teams) thoughts are to look for the integration coming via OO.o/IBM or if you are looking at going a different route. Please don't feel you need to respond directly - if there are some references already (other emails, blogs) it would be great if anyone could point in the direction of those. This next period there are number of shows in the US and the question of accessibility is treated quite directly in this area. I was thinking of trying to create a small reference piece for the booth staff at the shows with some information on this subject (within this next 2 weeks - to make the first show): LIbreOffice support for accessibility technologies (current and future) [or something similar] I'm starting with the assumption that anything relating to OO.o 3.3 would be correct also for Libo 3.3 - correct assumption? Beyond that - I'm not asking for a direct response here to this email, but if that assumption is not correct, or there are actual plans for a different direction for integration it would be much appreciated if anyone could direct some links my way, I will read and assemble a smaller flyer type piece, then ask folks to review it. Thanks for your time, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Looking for ONE person ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event )
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 13:40 -0500, Benjamin Horst wrote: > Hello, > > On Feb 13, 2011, at 1:28 PM, drew wrote: > > I think this has potential for sure, an announcement on the SCaLE > > Facebook site, with the picture of the poster, in just a bit here > > perhaps a tweet or two and who knows. > > > > I think we will do very well. > > > > Which to recap. > > > > The TDF/LibreOffice booth will raffle off a singular piece of art work, > > in the form of a professionally produced full color, treated and mounted > > poster: > > > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/e/e9/Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png > > > > in the LibreOffice booth, #4, at SCaLE from Feb 25th - 27th. > > > > We are looking for a person, or persons (?), to make a pledge to match > > the amount collected at the show, or some portion of this amount. The > > full proceeds will be donated to TDF founding fees. > > This really is a great idea, Drew! > > We might want a company to be the one to match donations. I know > WorldLabel.com has been a good and very generous member of the community, > perhaps they could assist? I've also reached out to another company I know > who I think might be interested. I'll keep you posted. > Hola Ben. Brilliant - can I leave both, and it sounds like perhaps other, of those contacts to you? Also - we need a blog on this - it needs to explain, in brief, the use of the funds - likely that is already written on the wiki page Florian put up - a shot of the poster art, links to the show... That would be most useful in solicitation emails to business owners and corporate reps, I would think. Anyone with a hankering for this and access to the main blog, as that would have the most impact IMO? //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Looking for ONE person ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event )
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 12:59 -0500, adept techlists - kazar wrote: > not in the position to fill the role of pledge-matching but just wanted > to say this is a great idea. good luck! > Howdy kazar Thanks I think this has potential for sure, an announcement on the SCaLE Facebook site, with the picture of the poster, in just a bit here perhaps a tweet or two and who knows. I think we will do very well. Which to recap. The TDF/LibreOffice booth will raffle off a singular piece of art work, in the form of a professionally produced full color, treated and mounted poster: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/e/e9/Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png in the LibreOffice booth, #4, at SCaLE from Feb 25th - 27th. We are looking for a person, or persons (?), to make a pledge to match the amount collected at the show, or some portion of this amount. The full proceeds will be donated to TDF founding fees. Thank you, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Looking for ONE person ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event )
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 10:20 -0500, drew wrote: > Hi, > > I was thinking about fund raising for the TDF, given we will be at a big > event coming up in the USA, well over a thousand Linux enthusiasts and I > dare say many, in only 12 days, it is no surprise. > > Many LibreOffice supports and well wishers will be in that crowed, I > would say. > > Here is an idea then: > > We hold a raffle at the show. > > For what - for a poster. > > Here is scaled down image: > (coincidentally making a nice desktop background on many monitors_ > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png > > The poster would be 36" x 24" and mounted. Suitable for framing. > > It will be prominently displayed in the LbreOffice booth at the Southern > California Linux Expo > > We sell raffle tickets of $1.00 each for the one and only copy of this > poster. _All_ proceeds go to the TDF fund raising drive. > > Well, what do you think? > > What I am looking for then are two persons. > > One would sponsor the production cost (Exact price delivered with direct > email to me) Greetings, We _have_ a sponsor for the production cost - and in the finest tradition of our Puritan roots here in the states, an anonymous one at that. SO - Still looking for someone willing to pledge to match the monies collected at the show. > > I am quite certain your donation will be multiplied! I am absolutely > convinced that it would generate a few hundred dollars, rather easily. > > The second person - I am looking for someone that will pledge to match > the amount raised at the show. It's that simple. > This is a very important role here - having a match grant _will_ increase the number of donations, raffle entries. You will also be donating the most cash from your pocket! (at least I sure hope so :-) Perhaps you are willing to match up to only a certain amount, that is fine IMO - let's talk about that. So - who is out there? Yup I'm talking to my fellow citizens in the US, we have a good vehicle to contribute here..going...going > Thank you for your time, your consideration on this issue and your > contribution. > > Sincerely, > > Drew Jensen > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event
Hi, I was thinking about fund raising for the TDF, given we will be at a big event coming up in the USA, well over a thousand Linux enthusiasts and I dare say many, in only 12 days, it is no surprise. Many LibreOffice supports and well wishers will be in that crowed, I would say. Here is an idea then: We hold a raffle at the show. For what - for a poster. Here is scaled down image: (coincidentally making a nice desktop background on many monitors_ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png The poster would be 36" x 24" and mounted. Suitable for framing. It will be prominently displayed in the LbreOffice booth at the Southern California Linux Expo We sell raffle tickets of $1.00 each for the one and only copy of this poster. _All_ proceeds go to the TDF fund raising drive. Well, what do you think? What I am looking for then are two persons. One would sponsor the production cost (Exact price delivered with direct email to me) I am quite certain your donation will be multiplied! I am absolutely convinced that it would generate a few hundred dollars, rather easily. The second person - I am looking for someone that will pledge to match the amount raised at the show. It's that simple. Thank you for your time, your consideration on this issue and your contribution. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Who Handles LO Portable?
On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 15:44 +, Mark Preston wrote: > I regularly use Oo_O Portable in classes to avoid the obvious > potential file type clashes in different versions of the UK education > standard MS Office but have so far not been able to find a LibO > Portable version. > > Could you give me a link to it if you have it handy? Hello Mark, Harold Will this link for you: http://portableapps.com/LibreOfficePortable //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 18:18 +, toki wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/07/2011 01:27 PM, drew wrote: > > > A requirement to have to have a US bank account in order to receive funds > > is not the same thing as saying the money must be dispersed in the US only, > > is it? > > No. > > A couple of things to do, before setting up the business account: > > * Make sure that you really want to have a business presence in the > state that the bank that handles the account is located in. > > * Decide what currency you want the account to be denominated in. > (I don't know how that affects Amazon Processing.) > ( I don't know how FDIC works for non US-Dollar denominated accounts.) > > * Verify that the bank is financially sound. > (The Federal Reserve Bank is on track to close more financial > institutions this year, than in the previous two years, combined.) > Good points but I don't see it quite same way, as kickstarter is an all of nothing situation - you set a target and if you hit it or exceed it you get the funds, if not they go back to the donors - so I would say you don't want to setup to do business of any kind in the US beyond the ability to accept funds into a checking account and then later transfer the funds as one lump sum to the proper account for the foundation and close the account. As for the target amount for 100,000 euro with a close date of March 30th, and todays exchange rate or 0.73 it would take $136,166 USD. Given the time frame $150,000 would seem a large enough cushion, even with fees, anyway that's just my quick swag at it. Also - Benjamin mentioned a different site that I have no information on and perhaps it does not have this US - either way, the necessary banking setup and then a media campaign..that is a darn tight schedule. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 08:47 -0500, adept techlists - kazar wrote: > On 2/7/11 8:39 AM, adept techlists - kazar wrote: > > No, it is not. If you would like me to inquire at my local Sovereign > > bank here in New York, where business bank accounts are free, let me > > know and provide a list of questions to ask them. I personally have > > bad credit so I could not be a signatory (and nobody at tdf knows me > > so why would you trust me, anyhow?) but at least I could get > > information for you. It might be possible > sorry, to finish that sentence: > > It might be possible to first establish a Santander account in Germany > and from there set up a U.S. account -- Santander International has a > branch in Manhattan > > ... and in that case, perhaps inquiring at my local Sovereign bank would > just be adding another unnecessary layer of complexity. > > Let me know if there's anything I can do locally in NYC. > Hi kazar Firstly I'd say - slow down a bit - let this idea percolate a bit. _If_ kickstarter is something of interest then the way to go would be IMO to have German nationals open an account in a US bank, and that can be done. CitiBank and Bank of America I think are the best candidates as they both do business in Germany, IIRC, but involvement of the US consulate in Germany is required to handle authentication of personal identification documents in Germany, I think. Time may be the larger hurdle here however, in other words, it may be possible but not in a timely enough fashion. Best wishes, drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 14:12 +0100, Andras Timar wrote: > 2011/2/7 adept techlists - kazar : > > rather than expend resources on re-inventing the wheel, why not use > > Kickstarter? You set a fundraising goal, a deadline, and can add videos, > > links and blog posts to the project. > > Do I have to be US-based to start a project? > Currently, yes. > from: http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq#WhatIsKick > Looks that way - sort of: "Currently a US bank account is required to start a project. This is a restriction by Amazon Payments, our payments processor. If you don't have a US bank account and are interested in starting a project, we appreciate your patience (we’re working on it!). Please note that anyone, anywhere (with a major credit card) can pledge to any project on Kickstarter." A requirement to have to have a US bank account in order to receive funds is not the same thing as saying the money must be dispersed in the US only, is it? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 18:58 +0100, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: > :-)) this poor man cannot anymore hide behind a dialect in this > friendship-spread-net world:-))) soon I'll have to study some language > like Navajo or Sardinian... or you have also such kind of > friends??? :-) yup - you can run, but can hide no longer ahéhee' //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Indiana Linux Fest - March 25th - 27th
Howdy, Looking for anyone that might be willing to help out with a TDF/LibreOffice table at the first annual Indiana Linuxfest[1]. It appears that we may have someone giving a presentation about TDF/LibreOffice also, but at this lacking folks to staff a table. If you are interested please come by the US Marketing list[2] Thanks //drew [1]http://www.indianalinux.org/cms/ [2]mailto:market...@us.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice at the Linux NorthWest
Howdy, Just to let everyone know, there will be a TDF/LibreOffice table at LinuxFest NorthWest[1], Washington state USA April 30th - May 1st. Anyone one the area is invited to stop by and say hello or If you would like to help out at the table please drop a line to the US Marketing list[2]. Thanks to Dona and Carl for taking the lead on this effort, //drew [1]http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/libreoffice [2]mailto:market...@us.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 20:42 +0100, James Wilde wrote: > :-))) 'ntepreoccupa' nun s'offennemo, e mica c'ho o so si mo > >> http://translate.google.com/# te po da 'na mano :- > > > > You win, Pier. Couldn't sort that one out. :) I think it is something along the lines of: No offense taken and none intended But could be wildly mistaken. //drew (and what is up with all the repeating "re:[tdf-discuss]" tags) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
> > मुझे आश्चर्य है अगर हिन्दू खरगोश का साल भी मनाते हैं I don't know very much about Hindu culture, maybe, perhaps someone will come along an let us know. This is one of the greatest joys of my time with the old OO.o and this project, the chance to interact with folks from around the world. It is so easy, particularly in my country, to fall into the trap of believing that one stands at the center of the world, while the truth is simply that there is no center. Only the place one is currently standing. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] SCALE
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 18:51 +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote: > On 2/3/11 6:29 PM, drew wrote: > > > BTW, Jeff, myself and hopefully Andy will be at the Southern California > > Linux Expo - Feb 25th - 27th ..stop by the LibreOffice booth and say > > hello if you are in the area. > > Hi Drew, what about a short note to the US press reminding that you will > be there? Just a selected few that have covered the LibreOffice > announcement. Hi Italo, Sounds good - if you would like I could draft it, with the help of the guys on the US list, then send to you direct email for final editing and dissemination? I am working on a personal blog post right now about this and should publish that later this evening, also. Grazie, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 18:18 +0100, M Henri Day wrote: > I simply took my > cue from Drew. Oh boy - talk about walking onto the thin ice, thought you had sense then that. *lol* maybe break time is over - and we should get back to work. BTW, Jeff, myself and hopefully Andy will be at the Southern California Linux Expo - Feb 25th - 27th ..stop by the LibreOffice booth and say hello if you are in the area. or help with the booth, there are still 7 free passes ($60.00 value) available and includes a SCALE Tee-shirt (whooha). //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 17:37 +0100, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: > Il 03/02/2011 16:10, M Henri Day ha scritto: > > 2011/2/3 drew > > > >> The year of the Rabbit is upon us, > >> > >> So > >>go do what rabbit's do! > >> > >> Which is . > >>tell all their friends about LibreOffice! > >> > >> 长寿 > >> > >> Drew > >> > > > > *祝 > > > > 新春快乐 ！ > > > > *Henri (*戴安理*) > > > whoat are you talking about?:-) > Hola, العرض جناح المكتب متعدد اللغات..* ابتسامة * LibreOffice - The premiere multilingual office suite..*smile* Adios, Drew The merry prankster Walk like an Egyptian - fearlessly! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
The year of the Rabbit is upon us, So go do what rabbit's do! Which is . tell all their friends about LibreOffice! 长寿 Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] purpose of this list?
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 16:34 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Le Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:11:18 +0100, > Sigrid Carrera a écrit : > > > Ups, sorry. > > > > 2011/2/2 Charles-H. Schulz : > > > Hello Kevin, Sigrid, > > > > > > Le Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:49:04 +0100, > > > Sigrid Carrera a écrit : > > > > > >> Hi Kevin, > > >> > > >> 2011/2/2 Kevin Hunter : > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > For the moment, we'll only keep one discuss list, the present one, > > > for both TDF and LibreOffice. > > > > thanks for the clarification. I confused it with the germanspeaking > > discuss-list of LibreOffice. > > > > Sigrid > > > > Waaas? This is not a german speaking list? (just kidding) > Bonjour Charles, It must be pushing 100 mail lists by now is there really any reason not to setup a discuss @ tdf.org at this point, so that the international discuss @ libo.org could focus on the application? Meilleurs vœux, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] What features are missing when a JRE is missing in Windows ?
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 19:31 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > RGB ES wrote (30-01-11 16:58) > > 2011/1/30 Fabián Rodríguez: > > >> Which features will be missing in such case ? Is it best to always have > >> the JRE under Windows ? > >> > > In a nutshell, without java you will not have: > > - Base > > - The bibliographic database > > I think that still works via View > Data Sources yes - dbf works without JRE and SpreadSheet source and ODBC data sources. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] What features are missing when a JRE is missing in Windows ?
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 16:58 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > In a nutshell, without java you will not have: > - Base Hi, Parts of Base will not function, not the entire module. The embedded HSQLdb database will not function, but other data store models will. The Form and 'native' report wizard not function, I think that's it. //drew > - The bibliographic database > - Some wizards you find on File -> Wizards > - Many extensions, like languagetool > - I think some file converters (not sure about this one) > > Cheers > > 2011/1/30 Fabián Rodríguez : > > Hi > > > > The Windows installer completes succesfully but when running the > > LibreOffice launcher for the first time several warnings indicating > > "this function ... won't work without a JRE... install a JRE and restart > > LibreOffice" without going into specifics. > > > > Which features will be missing in such case ? Is it best to always have > > the JRE under Windows ? > > > > Thanks for any details, I couldn't find this in the release notes or > > existing docs. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Fabian > > > > -- > > LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca > > de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ > > ~ > > Fabián Rodríguez > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 exits when closing credits window
> > > > Will check for a bug report and open one if it isn't already, but I kind > > of think there is one already. > Drew, it might be that one > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32269 > > Kind regards Hi Sophie That looks like it is, indeed :) Thanks much Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: [us-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 09:25 -0500, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2011-01-25 06:06, Florian Effenberger a écrit : > > The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3 > > > > The first stable release of the free office suite is available for download > > Congrats on the release. > > When I unpack the final relase rpm's ".tar.gz" files, the filefolders > created still say: > > LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US > LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_helppack-rpm_en-US > LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_helppack-rpm_fr > LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_fr > > Should the file folders still say "rc4" or should they not just be > eliminated. well, IMO, they should not but on a factual basis the Final is always the last RC, so it's awkward and a mistake but nothing beyond that. I'm sure someone will log a bug report on that, why not be that person yourself? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 exits when closing credits window
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 15:03 +0100, Kevin André wrote: > Hi. > > I downloaded the 3.3 release today and installed it. > Started LibreOffice itself (not Writer or Calc), then went to > "LibreOffice Credits" in the Help menu. When I closed that window, > LibreOffice exited. > > If I try this with "LibreOffice Writer" instead of LibreOffice, the > credits window behaves normally. > > Can someone else reproduce this? > yes - same thing here. *chuckling*...well, it's easy to see why, from a black box view anyway. Will check for a bug report and open one if it isn't already, but I kind of think there is one already. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Email invitations for developers and users
> >> > > Hello Fabian > > > > Well, that is all well and good. > > > > I suppose you most likely saw what I said with regards to third party > > support sites and in the abstract I will stand by what I said. > > > > But i the real world we don't really work I abstracts do we. > > > > So - a couple of comments. > > > > Your emails have no link to the actual LibreOffice project. > I think you didn't notice, the first sentence of each one of them does. Yes - you are right, my apologies for that mistake. > > Your site has no links to the actual LibreOfficce project. > At the top of every page, yes, there are links to LibreOffice support > and main sites. Looking at the update that was made to the wiki page for the community QA/Bug reporting process it was linking to your site as a place to check for "is it a bug" Honestly I think that was a bit brash to update the wiki page that way and I did change it back to point to a resource within the community domain. I then could not find any links pointing on the page pointing back to our site, top links, the LibreOffice logo or the LibreOffice link text. I've just checked again and that is the case - again I know you just put up that page so probably a just an error, I make them all the time. > > Clicking on a LibreOffice logo and going any place other the > > http://libreoffice.org is not acceptable IMO > > > > (Which means I need to change 1 site I currently manage and I will do > > that today) > > I believe you are referring to the logo at libreoffice.shapado.com - > I'll check if it can link to the main site, however I believe it's > supposed to act as a "go home" spot. Yes that is a problem with a lot of these free hosting type systems, and that I had with a status net micro-blog I set up. I meant to remove the logo from my site because of this - or move away from a hosted platform. It was wrong of me to not get that done on my site and I was afraid it had been an example of what was acceptable. Thank you, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Email invitations for developers and users
On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 10:33 -0500, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: > Hi, > > I am sending email invitations to my close network of friends and > colleagues, and to projects I participate in, inviting them to join > LibreOffice. I thought I'd share this. I'd like to ask where would be > the best place in the wiki to put such examples and their translations ? > I know within the Marketing project this makes sense but I also thought > we'd need to expose this more. > > Of course adapt & customize them depending on your audience, if you end > up using any of them! > > These are just 3 examples: > > For end-users: > [Trisquel-users] An invitation to ask your questions about LibreOffice > on "Ask LibreOffice" > http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/2011-January/002372.html > > For developers: > [Trisquel-devel] An invitation to become a LibreOffice contributor > http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-devel/2011-January/000345.html > > For end-users, in French: > [Trisquel-utilisateurs] Invitation à connaître LibreOffice > http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-utilisateurs/2011-January/50.html > > Any comments/suggestions welcome. > Hello Fabian Well, that is all well and good. I suppose you most likely saw what I said with regards to third party support sites and in the abstract I will stand by what I said. But i the real world we don't really work I abstracts do we. So - a couple of comments. Your emails have no link to the actual LibreOffice project. Your site has no links to the actual LibreOfficce project. Clicking on a LibreOffice logo and going any place other the http://libreoffice.org is not acceptable IMO (Which means I need to change 1 site I currently manage and I will do that today) Finally - whatever abstracts I believe in I believe in community more and when the LibreOffice trademark policy is published I will certainly stand behind the collective decision in that regard. OK - I just did not want any misunderstanding. Finally - you should understand that I will push very hard for these type of supports systems within the community project - I will also, assuming sites conform to the soon to be finished trademark policy fight for your right to exist also. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Download libreoffice button in new LibreOffice website
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:38 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > "use the source" :-) You didn't really just go there...LOL..must be having a good day. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 00:02 +0800, David Nelson wrote: > Hi Drew, :-) > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 22:11, drew wrote: > > It doesn't sound good to me. > > So can you clarify what your position is with regard to Nabble? Hi David, Sure - I would use nabble the way it is currently configured..but then I may be bias on that. There are already a number of people signing up there and beginning to use it to post to the mailing lists, more then I expected actually. To make nabble read only would be to circumvent the real advantage of making if available, the ability to post to a LibreOffice/TDF mailing without being moderated, in other words subscribed, but without having to deal with every response going to your mail box. Sure same deal with a few other options, but that is then thing about choice, different solutions appeal to different people. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:56 +0300, sophie wrote: > Hi Drew, > On 10/01/2011 19:41, drew wrote: > [...] > > > > Slightly off topic but it is part of this issue: As to the question of a > > single monolithic view of the project, all things LibreOffice will be at > > one domain, this is a basic assumption that I an not willing to adhere > > to. > > > > There is great value in a networked view, I am not advocating a lack of > > concern for the trademark, that will be from time to time necessary and > > is part of our responsibilities, but I am most vigorously arguing > > against a view that all things should flow into a single point, rather > > that we build an organization that flows outwards, we support the > > efforts and initiatives of others that make use of this Free Open Source > > application we build. > I think there is a different view also coming from the native language > groups because I think of the lack of 'marketing the community' we have > met in the past. > The forum is a great support and resource for users, but we also have to > think on how to get new members contributing to the project. > From our experience in the FR community, but I think it's also true > for other languages, the forum didn't help us here. Hi Sophie, Just looking at one issues here (in this email): 1) There is the very real need to keep a steady influx of new blood into the project - this in the end is our capital. Here the only real way I see to address that from the perspective of a web forum is to host an official forum, in this setting there are mechanisms which can be built to aid in nurturing new contributors, but also in leveraging the knowledgebase that will form, for delivery to other users looking for support. 2) In an environment of multiple sites being run by multiple groups or individuals it is still possible to leverage both the knowledge and the resources using current web technologies. I agree that there was not enough effort in the past on this within the OO.o web forums, mostly though I feel that was a due to the fact that in the beginning and for whatever reason the main project would not support an official site and so ONLY third party sites sprang up, any way that is how I perceived it. If that is the pattern again then again I don't see how we will be able to address this particular need - or at best it will be much more difficult. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
