Re: [ja-discuss] 日本語 ネイテ ィブ ランゲージ プロジェ クト の リーダー
Tora, I have seen and read your words you posted here: http://ja.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=15104 I am shocked, and very much hurt by your message. You should not write or say such things to one of your colleagues. This is mean, this is evil. I suggest that you leave the OpenOffice.org project and the Japanese project of OpenOffice.org for the time being. When time will have passed and if you behave in a more appropriate attitude, you may be be able to return. Charles-H. Schulz, Lead of the Native-Language Confederation, OpenOffice.org . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [#x30E1;#x30FC;#x30EB;#x30A2;#x30C9;#x30EC;#x30B9;#x4FDD;#x8B77;] For additional commands, e-mail: [#x30E1;#x30FC;#x30EB;#x30A2;#x30C9;#x30EC;#x30B9;#x4FDD;#x8B77;]
Re: [ja-discuss] 日本語 ネイテ ィブ ランゲージ プロジェ クト の リーダー
親愛なる友人、この郵送の最後のメッセージはあなたに話すことにした私をリス トする。 JA NL のプロジェクトは古く、動的、強いそのような関係問題をあな たのコミュニティの中で起こることを見るようにOpenOffice.org の重要な要素 私を苦しめる。私はこれらの問題をすぐに解決することを助ける。私は、日本の リーダーを取り替える考え助言されて支えられて暗示しなかった。それは質問か らある。私はそのような率先の掲示の彼の行為について考えるためにTora を頂 く。 より早いNakata サンはTora の権利そしてpriviledges を取り消した。こ の種類の決定は急速で決して取られるべきでない。Tora のpriviledges そして 権利は後で元通りになるかまたは、なかったら、今元通りになるべきである。 しかし私はNakata Maho 及び私の賞賛及び感謝の誠実な感じに私の信頼を表現す ることを望む。Nakata Maho はちょうど大きい開発者でないし、OpenOffice.org への主貢献者、彼はよく立派な人またである。 これ私はTora の発言またでき た。Tora もまたよい人およびすばらしい開発者である。それはハーモニーのそ のような欠乏および悪い感じがこのプロジェクトの中の問題を作成すること私を 苦しめる。私はあなたの好意にこうして1 つのより多くのチャンスを与える。プ ロジェクトはメンバーによってしか立ち、メンバーは一緒に協力しなければなら ない他ではプロジェクトは失敗する。 Nakata サンはよいリーダー帰宅してい る。プロジェクトはメンバーのそれぞれの入力から寄与する。しかし最終的に、 リーダーは橋、入力を取る、有用な認識にそれを作るゲート。私は私の単語を理 解することを望む。ありがとう、 Charles-H. Schulz. English version below Dear Friends, the last messages on this mailing lists have decided me to speak to you. The JA NL project is an old, dynamic, strong and important element of OpenOffice.org It pains me to see such relational problems occuring inside your community. I shall help settling these problems quickly. I have not hinted, advised nor supported the idea of replacing the Japanese leader. It is out of question. I would like Tora to think about his action of posting such an initiative. Earlier Nakata-San had canceled the rights and priviledges of Tora. This kind of decision should never be taken in a hurry. The priviledges and rights of Tora were later restored or, if they were not, they should be restored now. But I would like to express my trust in Nakata Maho and my sincere feelings of admiration and gratitude. Nakata Maho is not just a great developer and a key contributor to OpenOffice.org, he is also a good honorable man. This I could also say of Tora. Tora is a good man, and a great developer as well. It pains me that such a lack of harmony and bad feelings create problems inside this project. I will thus give one more chance to your good will. A project only stands by its members, and the members have to cooperate together, otherwise the project will fail. Nakata-San is a good leader. A project benefits from the input of each of its members. But ultimately, the leader is the bridge, the gate who takes the input, and makes it into an useful realization. I hope you will understand my words. Thank you, - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [#x30E1;#x30FC;#x30EB;#x30A2;#x30C9;#x30EC;#x30B9;#x4FDD;#x8B77;] For additional commands, e-mail: [#x30E1;#x30FC;#x30EB;#x30A2;#x30C9;#x30EC;#x30B9;#x4FDD;#x8B77;]
[ja-discuss] Congratulations to the Japanese Project!
Dear all, Although I am subscribed to this list, I don't post here very often, and unfortunately, I cannot speak Japanese. I just wanted to congratulate all of you both as a project and as a people for this wonderful achievement of going over 800 JCA signatories. It is not only the sign that the Japanese project is doing better and becoming stronger, it is also a testimony to this project that has been so far a wonderful success.I thought I would blog a few sentences on this: http://libervis.com/blogs/5/charles Kudos to all of you! Charles-H. Schulz, Lead of the Native-Language Confederation, OpenOffice.org . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ja-discuss] Congratulations to the Japanese Project!
Dear all, Although I am subscribed to this list, I don't post here very often, and unfortunately, I cannot speak Japanese. I just wanted to congratulate all of you both as a project and as a people for this wonderful achievement of going over 800 JCA signatories. It is not only the sign that the Japanese project is doing better and becoming stronger, it is also a testimony to this project that has been so far a wonderful success.I thought I would blog a few sentences on this: http://libervis.com/blogs/5/charles Kudos to all of you! Charles-H. Schulz, Lead of the Native-Language Confederation, OpenOffice.org . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] CeBIT conference details
Hello Kohei-San, Akimitsu-San, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Charles, I hope you catch this post before you leave. -Kohei As I said, I'm still here. But I should soon go to the airport :-) ... Translation begins --- Hello, This is Akimitsu Watanabe again. It's a shame that there is no pictures [from the OO.o day in France]. I didn't know that we already had reports from worldwide conferences posted on the main website. I should have reseached it more. I took a quick glance at the CEBIT report. It looks like it was a fun event. It also thought it was cool because it looked like a corporate presentation session. Usually events held in Japan, most participants are native Japanese speakers [and information exhange occurs only in Japanese]. But after seeing a summary report from J. Rahemipour, I realize that Europe is much more different [than us in that they use a foreign language (English) for exchanging information], and that they are more accustomed to people speaking different languages and naturally using English for information exchange. This is something we don't experience too often since we live in an island nation. I have learned one great lesson. Thank you very much for sharing with us about CeBIT. Thank you for your post. Well, this is something that is very European: being used to meet and work with people who don't speak your language. Today the language is english. Yesterday, it was French. And even before, it was latin, the language of Romans... It's the same all around the Native-Language Confederation. But as much as we enjoy working with people from other countries, we should never forget where we come from. It's very important to always keep in mind your traditions. If you have forgotten where you are from, then how could you know where you're heading? :-) Best, Charles. Translation ends --- Translation by Kohei - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] some questions
Hello Kohei-San, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Quoting charles-h.schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I hope you're all having a good week-end. It's going to be a week I am among you and I didn't see the time passing by! Thanks to the translators and the community to make this tour a real pleasure! It was my pleasure to serve you as a translator as well. :-) Yes, thank you a lot, and thank you also to Hirano-San ! -How can OOo as a community and as a product improve? Ok. This is a big question, but let me give you what I feel about the current OO.o in general (both as a community and as a product), and this is strictly from *my point of view* only. Also, my view does not represent the ja community's view. First, I personally believe that OO.o as a product is improving at a reasonably rapid pace. Some may believe the rate of improvement is not as fast as they hope because their favorite XYZ feature is not being included or their most annoying bug is not being fixed. But to me it is satisfactory. I like what I see in 2.0 Beta, and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes beyond 2.0. Unfortunately, these product improvements are mostly as a result of the effort made by the Sun engineers, and community participations are still rare outside of porting and localization. I strongly believe this needs to change. I do believe this too, and we're not the only ones, believe me. From the Sun development side, there should be some effort to clarify the process required to contribute a feature/enhancement into the main tree. I have in the past submitted some patches to enhance Calc's functionality, but I also observed some confusion within Sun as to how to deal with my patches (it was obviously because I didn't follow the right steps). Since then, I have learned a great deal about the development process for introducing a new feature/enhancement, but unfortunately most of it is still undocumented or unknown among the community participants (the specs project is a good example). Yes, the OOo development process is one of the major drawbacks for new contributors and potential developpers. From the community side, we must break the myth that for whatever feature we want in OO.o, we must rely on Sun to implement it. Some features are technically easier to implement (good starter project for a community coder), while others require an intimate knowledge of the internals thus are best left for a Sun developer. Sometimes, it is a good idea to dive into an issue, submit a patch and lobby for its inclusion, than complaining loudly until somebody notices three years later. But the key, I think, is more and more communication and collaboration between Sun and the community participants, and it requires willingness from both sides. Working together also improves trust between the two parties, and in the end OO.o as a whole will benefit. But both sides must make the effort. I totally agree with you. I understand this is not specific to the ja community or the NLC, but I just felt that I needed to share it with you since you asked that question. Many people feel your way. What I can say is that there is progress on that front. Things change slowly here, but they do change. Remember: OOo is 7.5million lines of code and 150 000 people have already registered to it. That gives you a perception on how large and complex we are... -How do you feel about forming an Asian CJK native-lang group? This group would be composed of three projects (ja, ko, zh) each of them keeping its strucure but sharing ressources on technological and marketing aspects. I admit I am not very active in the native-lang front, but I for one support this idea. It's been a great pleasure to be here. I will never forget my trip and I will register to the Ja project. Now, Hirano-San and I have to fly to Korea. We have work to do there. Thanks and Sayonara everybody! Charles. Kohei - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ja-discuss] some questions
Hello, I hope you're all having a good week-end. It's going to be a week I am among you and I didn't see the time passing by! Thanks to the translators and the community to make this tour a real pleasure! I have a few questions for you before I leave: -Do you wish to design a logo for the japanese OOo community? Your artwork is truly amazing, and Shu Minari's artwork is known all over OOo... -How can OOo as a community and as a product improve? -How do you feel about forming an Asian CJK native-lang group? This group would be composed of three projects (ja, ko, zh) each of them keeping its strucure but sharing ressources on technological and marketing aspects. I know these are big questions, but I think it's important to ask them now. Regards, Charles. Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] Re: NLP Tour by NLC Lead
Takashi-San, Kohei-San, Nakata-San, There seems to have been a small misunderstanding. Nakata-San is right when he speaks about the fact that I can't submit developments. I can't do that more than anybody else. Besides, a macro is not part of the product itself but can be integrated if the core development engineers like it or have been required to integrate it. But since it is a macro, what Takashi-San can do very easily, is topost amessage explaining his work on [EMAIL PROTECTED], and he will sure meet some people who will be interested in localizing its macro. What can be done, if the Japanese leads see this as useful, is uploading this macro on the ja.ooo web site for all to try and use. Regards, Charles. Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34 /mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn)
[ja-discuss] CeBIT conference details
Hello, you had asked me if I had pictures of the OOo Day in France. Well, I don't have them, but I have some details on the CEBIT in Germany and how the German Native-Lang community performed. Quoted from a mail of J. Rahemipour: Hi *, here are the monthly news from germanophone project. At first I would like to give a summary of the CeBIT last month, where we presented OOo and the de-project. As expected, it was a great event and the feedback we got was mostly positive. We had a really nice time and had many contacts, espacially to people who would like to join the project for testing and several business contacts. Very interesting was the fact, that we met many people from other countries, which were interested in using OOo in other languages. We tried to satisfy them to contact the several native-lang projects. Maybe some of you got mail from one of them. :-) For receiving an impression of the event see my summary (german): http://de.openoffice.org/veranstaltungen/cebit2005/index.html or english version (many thanks to Siegfried Schilling for the translation): http://de.openoffice.org/veranstaltungen/cebit2005/index_en.html If you want to have a look at our team, see several photos here: http://de.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=439expandFolder=439folderID=239 Enjoy, Charles. Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] Re: NLP Tour by NLC Lead
Hi, Hi I am 'matsu-yo', a Japanese OOo user and engages in localization project. ??? 'matsu-yo'?? Nice to meet you, Matsu-Yo! Beyonf these conferences, do you have any data or any idea about the migrations to OOo (and/or Linux) in Japan? (OSC2005??)?OOo ?Linux??? Accourding to the data googled by Takamichi Akiyama, Tora?? http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2003/09/26/28.html 1 Microsoft Windows97.34% 2 Apple Macintosh 1.49% 3 Linux 0.51% ?? Thanks for these figures. How accurate can they be? For example, how do we include people who have Linux and Windows on the same machine? Almost all Windows user as wel as many Apple user might use MSOffice, because almost all Windows-preinstalled PC are also preinstall MSOffice (Word and Excel. Usually, Powerpoint and Access are not preinstalled) in Japan. I have tried some MSOffice user to migrate Openoffice.org, but many replied 'I have MSOffice. That's enough.' In Europe, many large-scale migration cases proceed successfully, like French police, Munich Vienna and Netherlands. So I would like you to ask if you have any idea about the migrations to OOo or Linux. Difficult question. You can roughly sum up factors driving a migration in this way: -driving the costs down -avoiding vendor-lock-in -poor quality of MS products -national independence -nurturing the local IT industry -anti-US resentment -sustaining a reliable alternative to MS -will to try something new -a combination of the above In Europe, the reasons for migrations were roughly based on the urge of driving down the IT costs, national independence, nurturing the local IT industry and anti-US resentment. There are many tangible and intangible factors for a migration anyway. If you meet customers who say, I have MS products all bundled and installed, I don't want to bother with something else, show them that they're not happy, that they have problems as a MS user. If you talk to administrations and government, tell them about the costs, tell them about using something else than US technology. Make them prefer made-in Japan technology. I think it's always a long process and a long sales pitch but in the end it should work. Hope this helps, Charles. ??windows???Apple? MSOffice? Windows???MSOffice? MSOffice??? ?MSOffice? ? ??? Sincerely yours Matsu-yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] introduction
Hello Makoto-San (sorry, are you a woman?) (B (BmAkotoOno wrote: (B (BBonsoir, Good evening, Konbanwa(in Japanese), (BSchulz-San, (B (BMy name is Makoto Ono, I'm just a user of OpenOffice.org. (BTo tell the truth, I have no question to you now because I'm satisfied (Bwith OOo and great works of Native-Lang Project members. (B (BI just felt that I should tell my thanks to lead of the NLC. (B (B (B (BAlthough I'm deeply moved by your thanks, I have played but a very small (Bpart in our success. You see, I don't code, I sometimes do some (Bmarketing-related stuff but most of the time I do politics :-) . I am a (Bbit like "Koffee Annan", the head of the UN... ;-) (B (B (B (B (Bhow are you doing? :-) (B (B (BI'm writing add-on program for OOo Calc. (B (B (B (BThat is interesting. What is it exactly? (B (B (B (BHow is the Japanese community doing? (B (B (BWe enjoy to grow OOo. We are charmed with OOo deeply. (B (B (B (BThank you very much. (B (BBest Regards, (B (BCharles-H. Schulz. (B (BRegards. (B (B (B (B in Japanese $B!J$3$&[EMAIL PROTECTED](B (B$B$3$s$P$s$O!#%7%e%k%D$5$s!#(B (B$B;d$NL>A0$O>[EMAIL PROTECTED](BOpenOffice.org $B$N0l%f!<%6$G$9!#(B (B$B
Re: [ja-discuss] Re: NLP Tour by NLC Lead
Hello, your figures and numbers are indeed impressive. You were mentionning Microsoft Japan in your report. What are your relationship, if you have any, with Microsoft? Did they make any mistake recently? As an example, here in France, where I live, our "Gendarmerie Nationale" (some kind of State troopers or Civil Guard) migrated to OpenOffice.org and left Microsoft Office aside. The official comment of Microsoft was that it was "sad to see these customers go, but given their specific needs, they could have as well use WordPad..." This comment was of course very badly taken, and it put once again Microsoft in a weaker position in terms of Public Relations. Regards, Charles. Translation begins --- Thank you Nakamoto-san and Watanabe-san. Both Nakamoto-san and Watanabe-san contributed to this conference to a great degree. Nakamoto-san explained, in his seminar, the details of the OO.o source code. Watanabe-san demonstrated in his seminar how to use OO.o as a database report creation tool. Watanabe-san's seminar was, in fact, the monst popular seminar in the conference. This conference was held as part of the OpenSource Conference 2005/Tokyo. Over 30 open-source communities participated in this event. The opening speech was given by, guest what!, Kusunoki-san of Microsoft! The speech was about the current situation surrounding Windows from Unix user's perspective (as a matter of fact, Kusunoki-san himself is a heavy Unix user). The conference participants consisted of roughly 50% Linux users and 50% Windows users. Approximately 1000 people gathered in this 2-day event. http://www.ospn.jp/osc2005/ Translation ends --- (translation by Kohei) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34 /mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn)
Re: [ja-discuss] Re: NLP Tour by NLC Lead
Hello Akimitsu-San, On Saturday 02 April 2005 10:33 pm, Akimitsu Watanabe wrote: Hello Charles, I'm Akimitsu Watanabe, a member of the Japanese Native-Language project. As Nakamoto-san has already pointed out earlier, the conference was a great success. The popularity of the seminars, in particular, was among the top within the OSC2005 (Open Source Conference 2005). This has made me realize how popular OO.o is as a software, and how much people are paying attention to it. Now, I have a question for you, Charles. Do other Native-Language projects hold a conference like this? If you know of any, please let us know. Yes, several native-lang projects have hold similar conferences, but I wonder if they got the same impressive numbers. Actually I can speak of several recent or or soon to come conferences: -France, Paris, the OOo Day at the Linux Solutions, Paris. It was a huge success. -Germany, Chemnitz -Turkey -North American Regicon for OOo (Part of the Desktop Linux Conference) Several others I don't remember. In general, I have seen that they all score pretty high. I have been the master of ceremony together with Sophie Gautier, FR lead, at the OOo Day, and it was a really strong moment. Beyonf these conferences, do you have any data or any idea about the migrations to OOo (and/or Linux) in Japan? Regards, Charles. Best regards, Translation ends (translation by Kohei) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34 /mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn)
