[slim] Re: The Logitech remote paradox

[Paul Webster]

The (optional?) RF piece of the Harmony remote seems to conform to
z-wave
http://www.zen-sys.com/
There is an implication with the "My Pictures", reportedly seen on some
screenshots of the Harmony 1000, that it is bi-directional (assuming
that the pictures were not loaded via USB).

So - I'd imagine that an add-on to the Squeezebox or a new model with
z-wave support might be enough.
It shouldn't need wi-fi speed to get browsable cover art.

Putting the support into the firmware would be moving from slim towards
fat and from open towards closed but supporting a "standard" that seems
to be endorsed by lots of home automation vendors might be a good move.


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[slim] Re: Light-hearted: what will the new company name be?

[roamingstudio]

Squeezebox is often a fun term for an accordian and accordians can
be small or large when inflated buy logical air... s...

Logitechs SlimBox = NAS
Logitechs SlimSqueeze = Squeezebox
Logitechs Transporter = N.

In the vein of the Gladiator theme tune 'now we are free' - 'now we are
rich!'

Im sure whatever they decide it wont be right. 

SlimStream for SB3/SB4?   SlimStreamLite for the mass market
SlimTransport for Transporter?

Keep the logitech name small and discrete? (like 100nm high?, on
internal circuit boards only?)

I suppose until the new coportate identity forms noone will know!


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Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Mitch Harding]

Even if they never release another version of Slimserver, your Transporter will continue to work.  If there are any show stopping bugs and if, for some reason, SD decides not to fix them, you can bet that the community will try to do so.
I dunno -- that reasoning just doesn't make sense to me.  If I had planned on buying a Transporter last week, I don't see how this would change my plans.  I don't buy a product unless I am happy with what it does.  And if I was happy with what the Transporter did last week, then nothing has changed since then.  If Logitech someone ruins Slimserver, well, I just wouldn't upgrade.
On 10/20/06, mauidj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Mitch Harding;148414 Wrote:> Why would you hesitate to buy a Transporter due to the Logitech deal?
> The> one you get will doubtless still say SD on it...> [/color]Yes I know that.SD on the front or not...no worriesbut what will be behind it? (support, upgrades etc)That's what concerns me.
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[slim] Re: Light-hearted: what will the new company name be?

[bahnsah]

Or SqueezeATech

...nah, sounds like some sort of Elmo doll for technicians.


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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mitch Harding]

Likewise.  I had an install issue when I first tried it, but when I did a full uninstall of the previous version, that cleared up.  I'm running 6.5 right now with no issues.On 10/20/06, 
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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[bahnsah]

Phew...finally reached the end..30 pages and counting...could be the
mother of all threads!

As I sat here, listening to my 8-month old SD SB3, scrolling through 30
pages of comments on my Logitech MX laser mouse, and now typing on my
Logitech MX Keyboard (both of which I actually RECEIVED a rebate for,
btw - Kudos to Logitech), I thought, wow, I'm already there and don't
even know it!  I'm a Logitech / SD user!

I've been a customer and evangelist for 8 months now, and now I'll wait
and see how things turn out, but still be an evangelist for the
technology.  It plain works, and does now exactly what I wanted it to
do back 8 months ago.

Congratulations to the SD team, and best of luck in the future, I am
hopeful for greater things to come!

Bruce


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Pale Blue Ego]

Mark Norton;148380 Wrote: 
> Anybody think 6.5 is worth installing?

On my system, it's vastly superior to what I was using (6.2.2).  Much
faster in all regards, and has exhibited no strange behavior in my
heavily-used network of 5 players.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Pale Blue Ego]

No huge innovations, but plenty of very useful refinements.

Why would you need a new Lexus when the old Tin Lizzie is essentially
the same thing?  They both have 4 wheels and can propel  you to the
store.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[mkozlows]

docbee;148415 Wrote: 
> 
> What backs my claim (at least for me) is that I am still using a slimp3
> and I often thought of replacing it by one of the better looking, new
> models (I have a sb3 in another room). Each time I think of really
> replacing the slimp3 I come to the conclusion, that the slimp3 does the
> same as a new sb3 for me. 

Of course, in a very real sense, the Slimp3 that you have today is
nothing like the one you bought.  Download the ancient version of
SlimServer, without all the massive improvements that have been made
since you bought the Slimp3, and then see how insignificant you think
the changes are.

That sort of long-term support -- enhancing an antique product no
longer manufactured and barely even used, knowing that it might cost
them sales from people who'd've otherwise upgraded -- is the kind of
thing that I hope Slim Devices can keep doing, but fear they can't.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.5.0 - No Album Art in random mix

[kdf]

Are you able to get a gallery view of artwork in the Browse Albums 
page?  Use the icon on the top right of the frame to switch from list 
to gallery view.
If that doesn't work, initiate a clear library and rescan from server 
settings.  In the now playing area, only some skins will show artwork 
and this doesn't matter if it is random mix or otherwise.


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[slim] Re: 6.5.0 - No Album Art in random mix

[kklemme]

I installed SS 6.5 last night (using softsqueeze on a windows XP
system). I was disappointed to find that in a random mixed playlist,
the currently playing album art doesn't display.

KDF's post implies that in 6.51 album art will display with a random
playlist. I eagerly downloaded and installed 6.51 but alas, I can only
see album art when browsing by album or lookng at album detailsam I
missing some setting or am I looking to do something that really can't
be done???
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Re: [slim] Re: Any way to add Pandora button to remote?

[kdf]

On 20-Oct-06, at 7:44 PM, grimholtz wrote:



Thanks for the reply. I've got like 25 favorites. How can I press and
hold "13"?


well, sadly, only works for 1-10 (0 shoudl play #10)
have to pick your favorite favorites :)
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[slim] Re: Any way to add Pandora button to remote?

[grimholtz]

Thanks for the reply. I've got like 25 favorites. How can I press and
hold "13"?


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Re: [slim] Any way to add Pandora button to remote?

[kdf]

On 20-Oct-06, at 7:18 PM, grimholtz wrote:



Hi,

Is there any way to program a remote control button to bring me
directly to my Pandora stations?

Try adding it as a favorite. you can press and hold a number button to 
play that numbered favorite.  This should be the same for SN, as it is 
in SlimServer.

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[slim] Re: SlimServer 6.5 - no thumbnails?

[Mark Lanctot]

Bob Bressler;148429 Wrote: 
> not to hijack the thread, but I've wondered, can you import album art
> for files that somehow came in without them?

Try something like 'Album Art Aggregator'
(http://team.thenexusnet.com/nexus/AAA/).  Place "cover.jpg" into each
album folder and rescan.


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[slim] Any way to add Pandora button to remote?

[grimholtz]

Hi,

Is there any way to program a remote control button to bring me
directly to my Pandora stations?

thanks,
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[slim] Re: SlimServer 6.5 - no thumbnails?

[Bob Bressler]

not to hijack the thread, but I've wondered, can you import album art
for files that somehow came in without them?


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[slim] Re: discuss Digest, Vol 36, Issue 64

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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[CatBus]

docbee;148415 Wrote: 
> Hi,
> Each time I think of really replacing the slimp3 I come to the
> conclusion, that the slimp3 does the same as a new sb3 for me. So all
> the "new" prodúcts in this line are just minor improved, but none of
> them really opens a door to something basicaly new. If you think adding
> a graphical display or a wireless connection instead of just ethernet
> makes up a product innovation, than we might have a different
> understanding about innovation. Adding the obvious doesn't mean it to
> me.

Maybe it's best to look at it this way: The slimp3 had a strong, but
very narrow appeal.  All of its successors have had wider appeal,
without losing the strength of the appeal.  So to people who fit within
the narrow appeal of the original product, there is no advantage.  To
people who don't, there's a huge advantage--whether the innovation is
huge or incremental is irrelevant.

The new devices are no worse than the old in ANYONE's mind, and they
are better in the minds of MANY.  So, objectively, I think it's fair to
say they're better.  Requiring some world-changing innovation before
giving a device any credit wouldn't give a whole lot of credit to many
very fine-quality products.  

Sometimes it's implementing old ideas well for the first time that
qualifies as innovation, in my mind.


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[slim] Re: So Sorry...

[Masterbaron]

this is the type or feedback and responsiveness i've come to know here
in the forum - and no i'm not an audiophile but i have benefited from
the information and exchange here for about two years. this is the kind
of thing i feel will disappear and i've got to tell you while you have
not heard much from me - it is as family as i've come to know your
personalities and value added.

this actually comes at a good time for me as it will cause me to wait
on the Transporter - i'm always an early adopter and have paid dearly
for that - i will wait this one out both on the product and it's
development and the state of the art of media streaming..

thanks all - i'm always lurking...


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[mauidj]

Mitch Harding;148414 Wrote: 
> Why would you hesitate to buy a Transporter due to the Logitech deal? 
> The
> one you get will doubtless still say SD on it...
> [/color]

Yes I know that.
SD on the front or not...no worries.
...but what will be behind it? (support, upgrades etc)
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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[gorman]

CardinalFang;148311 Wrote: 
> Most ordinary consumers take the Volkswagen, the same way that they'll
> taken an iPod and not an equally good alternative. Results actually
> don't matter that much to most people and they won't do the comparison,
> they'll take the brand they won't be embarassed about. Why are B&O and
> Bose so popular for example? Is it because they are the best or because
> the brand impresses other people?  B&O equipment is actually Philips
> inside - put the same spec Philips TV next to the B&O one and people go
> for the badge.And they would take something called Squeezebox or SlimDevices? 
> Think
about saying this on an internet "audiophile" forum four years ago. A
what? A Squeezebox?!? AHAHAHAHAH!!! And so on and so forth.

Even the analogy you drew between Volkswagen and Skoda... Skoda is
rapidly changing their brand positioning thanks to quality products.
Why should this be beyond Logitech reach?


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[docbee]

Hi,
sorry, i still dont see that there has been any major product
innovation since the slimp3. You are right, they did engeneering work
on the initial product, but from my perspective just a lot of minor
improvements (which were all wellcome, no doubt on this). 

What backs my claim (at least for me) is that I am still using a slimp3
and I often thought of replacing it by one of the better looking, new
models (I have a sb3 in another room). Each time I think of really
replacing the slimp3 I come to the conclusion, that the slimp3 does the
same as a new sb3 for me. So all the "new" prodúcts in this line are
just minor improved, but none of them really opens a door to something
basicaly new. If you think adding a graphical display or a wireless
connection instead of just ethernet makes up a product innovation, than
we might have a different understanding about innovation. Adding the
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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[CatBus]

Mitch Harding;148383 Wrote: 
> In your original post you
> said that the Logitech acquisition somehow betrayed the feel-good
> motivation
> for contributing to OS, which is not a sentiment shared by very many,
> apparently.

In fact this whole thread could be said to be founded on a
misconception.  You are allowed to sell GPL software for money.  You
are allowed to make a profit from your sales of GPL software.  You are
allowed to resell software that someone else has licensed to you under
the GPL for money.  You are not obligated to make your source code
available for free to the general public.  Etc, etc.  Just because
people frequently choose to behave a certain way with GPL software does
not mean that they are legally obligated to do so.

The motivations for licensing software under the GPL can be varied, but
it's pretty wild speculation to claim that those motivations have been
betrayed when the licensing terms have not been violated--unless you're
talking about your own personal motivations and your own personal
software.  And if you feel violated by acts that don't violate the
license, then you should have chosen a better license.


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Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Mitch Harding]

Why would you hesitate to buy a Transporter due to the Logitech deal?  The one you get will doubtless still say SD on it...On 10/20/06, mauidj <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Personally I do fear for the core values of SD and I am currently
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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[mauidj]

nicketynick;148373 Wrote: 
> 
> Anyway, the corporate beast simply will not have the flexibility or the
> focus (serving the masses takes a lot of resources) to remain on the
> cutting edge of product development. It's a pretty reliable cycle -
> small companies do cutting edge, get bought out when they're ready for
> mass-market, and someone else with a vision picks up some of the pieces
> and comes up with something nobody had done quite right yet. And what do
> you want to bet that many of the folks on this forum will meet again at
> some other forum for a SD-like company??  See you there!


And that is the crux of the biscuit!

Logitech has just bought into a technology and an established
consumer/enthusiast base for a song (pun intended).
Not to say our beloved principals have sold out cheapno. just
to suggest that what they have created is so damn good that a company
like Logitech can take this to the next level with such ease it is
silly.  They'll make a fortune and break into a new market...nice.
But as has been pointed out by many... a certain something will be
lost from the core SD brand.  I for one have a hard time seeing The
Transporter with a Logitech label on it.  I believe others will too. 
While it is fine to say that SD will keep it's autonomy, the question
of branding still applies and there is no doubt that Logitech has
positioned itself as a mass market price driven companyand a damn
good one at that! ( I like my MX900 well enough) Changing ones brand
image is not an easy or compulsive thing to do.  Ask The Coca Cola
Company.  Logitech have created a great brand in every recognized sense
of the concept.  Why the hell would they want to change it or go against
what it represents?  Go ask Volkswagen!
These guys are mass market all the way. It's all they know.

As opposed to SD.
Just read the PR surrounding The Transporter especially the Stereophile
article. http://www.stereophile.com/news/073106transporter/

"Obviously, the Transporter is not aimed at people who are ripping
files to 128kbps MP3 files," said Patrick Cosson, Slim Devices' vice
president of sales and marketing. "That's like disposable music—what
you'd listen to at the gym. There are a lot of people—people like Slim
Devices CEO Sean Adams and myself—who listen to uncompressed audio
files and who want them to sound as good as the systems we're playing
them on can sound."

Really think the bigs at Logitech can react this way even if they think
it?

In the end...who knows..I'm just looking at history and that's what
it suggests. 
But before I get nailed, this is just an opinion and I would love that
this works out a different way.  Either way it is good.just
different.

Personally I do fear for the core values of SD and I am currently
holding my finger over the buy now button for a new Transporter.
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[slim] Re: SlimServer 6.5 - no thumbnails?

[slimpy]

Click the icon next to the "Sort by" drop-down list. This toggles
list/icon view.

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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Michaelwagner]

docbee;148401 Wrote: 
> since the really great idea of a slimp3 years ago the innovation has not
> been at a noticeable high level 
On the contrary, between the SB1 and the SB2 they completely redid
everything inside, going from an MP3 chip they bought off the shelf to
something they totally controlled themselves. Hell of a big step for a
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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Pale Blue Ego]

On the contrary, I think Slim has an excellent record of innovation. 
The hardware has evolved, in only a few years, from something that was
useful but clunky and inelegant, into a best-of-breed product which
looks great, sounds great, has vastly more functionality, and is the
same price as the primitive garage-built original.

Their record of software and firmware releases is pretty spectacular,
too.  Slim has been extremely agile and responsive.

And when you consider that this small company created such a thing as
the Transporter, which may not only rival but exceed other digital
delivery systems no matter the cost, that's extremely impressive.

The history of this company is something Sean and all the guys at Slim
can be very proud of.  They took on many huge established companies in
the audio, computer, and networking arena, and beat them at their own
game.  If it ended right here, they're still one of the most innovative
and customer-oriented companies I've ever known.


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[slim] Re: So Sorry...

[Mark Lanctot]

kdf;148365 Wrote: 
> np.  fwiw, I'd still go ahead with the transporter.  It's a good  
> product and is certainly branded as Slim Devices for the near future.  
> 
> The sale of SD may be shocking news, but it's the same people in the  
> same office that will be dealing with the product for some time to  
> come.  No one can take it away from you and no one can remove firmware 
> 
> that is on it.
> 
> -ksd

I second this, listening to my Transporter right now - I've only had it
for about 6 hours.

If this is something that appeals to you, you really don't know what
you're missing out on, Masterbaron.  I have very modest audio equipment
and I really notice the difference.


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[slim] QNAT TS-101 and Slimserver Starting

[ASenna04]

I had a power fail today and when I re-started QNAP Slimserver did not
start. At least I think it does not start as I cold not see the
interface at http://slimserver-01:9000/.

How do I start it to troubleshoot to resolve the problem?

ASenna0


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[docbee]

sorry guys, 
except for sean and the inner circle that benefit from the $20m this is
extremly bad news. 

I understand that the sd management prefered to take the money instead
of taking the risk of the next innovation step on their own bill. since
the really great idea of a slimp3 years ago the innovation has not been
at a noticeable high level (bigger display, wireless, new form factor,
two of the known displays in a high-end variant, bundling with storage,
better remote, ... all very obvious low risk low effort things... but
nothing like a new product idea)

I dont buy the statements about synergy for a second. Come on, an
acqisition by sony or one of the big names in the audio or video
consumer electronics would bring a boost for the sd product line, but
logitech... what a laugh!

But in the end - when sd really has no more ideas what products to
invent - it is very straight forward to sell the bunch and to try
someting new. So I hope that the talents in sd do try something new
after the waiting time for the full payout has been passed. 

by the way, in the past i always looked at the bugs in the software
with an "ok it is open source, the guys try hard and it is a small to
be loved company" attitude. From now on i will measure the software
quality with what i do expect from major companies. It will be
interesting to see, if logitech is willing to take full responsibility
for their new product which is based on software that they do not own,
dont understand and even the sd dev team just partly controls! I guess
that the tonality in this forum will change a lot in short time!


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[slim] SlimServer 6.5 - no thumbnails?

[jelockwood]

A couple of weeks or so ago, I upgraded to SlimServer 6.5 and thought
everything was fine (music played etc.) but today I tried to use the
web-interface to browse my music and discovered I could no longer see
thumbails of the Album covers.

Note: All the music is in Apple Lossless and all has embedded album art
(applied using iTunes by dragging artwork on to each album in turn). In
addition there are folder.jpg and AlbumArtSmall.jpg files in each album
folder.

The thumbails did work in the previous version of SlimServer I had
installed.

If I actually select an album then the larger artwork is displayed for
each album that I tried.

Here is my version info

SlimServer Version: 6.5.0 - 9916 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252
Server IP address: x.x.x.x
Perl Version: 5.8.7 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
MySQL Version: 5.0.22-community-nt 

Here are some examples entries from the debug log

Retrieving artwork (cover) for:
file:///E:/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/Coldplay/A%20Rush%20Of%20Blood%20To%20The%20Head/Politik.m4a
readCoverArtTags: Looking for a cover art image in the tags of:
[E:\Music\iTunes\iTunes Music\Coldplay\A Rush Of Blood To The
Head\Politik.m4a]
readCoverArtTags: Found image of length [111314] bytes with type:
[image/jpeg]
Retrieving artwork (cover) for:
file:///E:/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/Hard-Fi/Stars%20Of%20CCTV/Gotta%20Reason.m4a
readCoverArtTags: Looking for a cover art image in the tags of:
[E:\Music\iTunes\iTunes Music\Hard-Fi\Stars Of CCTV\Gotta Reason.m4a]
readCoverArtTags: Found image of length [86292] bytes with type:
[image/jpeg]

Any suggestions?


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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 charging cradle?

[SuperQ]

I keep a power strip stashed under my couch with a few charge
connectors, my 770, treo, and laptop can all be charged from there.

best thing to do is just have the wire on an end table or someplace
where you leave the thing at night.


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[slim] Re: So Sorry...

[qirex]

kdf;148365 Wrote: 
> Quoting Masterbaron  
>  forums.slimdevices.com>:
> 
> >
> > i appreciate the heads-up .. best to us in the new environ...
> 
> np.  fwiw, I'd still go ahead with the transporter.  It's a good  
> product and is certainly branded as Slim Devices for the near future.  
> 
> The sale of SD may be shocking news, but it's the same people in the  
> same office that will be dealing with the product for some time to  
> come.  No one can take it away from you and no one can remove firmware 
> 
> that is on it.
For all we know jackbooted Logitech thugs could be rampaging through
the warehouse, tearing out quality components from the Transporter and
replacing them with surplus preamp stages from leftover $30 multimedia
speakers. Also, Slimserver is being modified to show an RSS feed of
Logitech's press room once every 30 minutes. ;)


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Michaelwagner]

CardinalFang;148379 Wrote: 
> you're just being insulting.
No insult to you, Cardinal, intended. Sorry if it was taken that way.

However, there is an insult going on here.

The real insult that I see is the insult to the principals in the
merger. 

Most in this thread have assumed that they, who have known about this
for 2 days now, know more about the outcome and its inevitability than
those who have planned this merger for weeks or months. 

That, to my eyes, is insulting.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Browny]

CardinalFang;148379 Wrote: 
> I *do* expect Sean and team to leave and set up other companies at the
> end of their earn-out - that's fairly typical for these situations and
> is why there is an earn out. We got the products we paid for, the
> company grew up and got taken over, that's the way of the world. It's
> not a disaster, it's business.

This is something I would have to agree with - entrepreneurs do not
tend to enjoy being employees.

In the end with all of this though - only time will tell


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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michael Herger]

OS working? I don't think so.


If it wasn't, neither MS nor Apple would be where they are today: Windows  
2003 wouldn't be as stable as it is thanks to the increased pressure from  
those OS systems, and Apple OS X would not come with such product as  
Apache, Samba, Konqueror (just to name a few) integrated.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[bklaas]

Mark Norton;148380 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> Anybody think 6.5 is worth installing? 
> 
> Whoever thinks they have random track play sorted is dreaming. 
> 
> MySQL? Oh, please...!
> 
> OS working? I don't think so.

TROLL.




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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Jacob Potter]

On 10/20/06, Mark Norton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

MySQL? Oh, please...!


The MySQL decision and implementation were both done by Slim Devices
employees, not outside contributors, and would likely have been the
same whether SlimServer was open-source or not.

I think this is a troll thread.

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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mitch Harding]

Now you're no longer on your original subject.  In your original post you said that the Logitech acquisition somehow betrayed the feel-good motivation for contributing to OS, which is not a sentiment shared by very many, apparently.
The effectiveness of OS is a separate discussion.On 10/20/06, Mark Norton <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I derive huge satisfaction from the programming work I do, in a market
leading product, but I do it on a strictly commercial basis.OS may be fine when all is going well but there's a lack ofaccountability when the quality nose-dives. Anybody think 6.5 is worthinstalling? Whoever thinks they have random track play sorted is
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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mark Norton]

I derive huge satisfaction from the programming work I do, in a market
leading product, but I do it on a strictly commercial basis.

OS may be fine when all is going well but there's a lack of
accountability when the quality nose-dives. Anybody think 6.5 is worth
installing? Whoever thinks they have random track play sorted is
dreaming. MySQL? Oh, please...!

So, for all the sanctimonious whining, you're not actually sorting out
the problems. OS working? I don't think so.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[CardinalFang]

Michaelwagner;148338 Wrote: 
> To claim that you know, as a certainty, that this is going to be a
> disaster, is whining.

No it's not whining and you're just being insulting. I have no problem
with whatever happens, I have my Squeezebox and I'm happy with it. I
have a point of view based on experience and I don't think I have at
any point said that it's going to be a disaster. 

I *do* expect Sean and team to leave and set up other companies at the
end of their earn-out - that's fairly typical for these situations and
is why there is an earn out. We got the products we paid for, the
company grew up and got taken over, that's the way of the world. It's
not a disaster, it's business.


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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[bill fumerola]

On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 07:28:03AM -0700, Mark Norton wrote:
> It will be interesting to see if Logitech can actually cope with the
> informal structure and slightly anarchic environment of Open
> Source/GPL.

ever heard of a little company called Apple Computer?


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Bob Bressler]

First of all, congrats to the SD team!  It is a challenge to find an
exit strategy that preserves the value of the Intellectual Property
that you have created.

In my limited experience in M&A, I have learned that there are dozens
of factors that determine the outcome of an acquisition. The two most
important in my experience are:
1. Developing a plan for the integration of the new company into the
parent. From the channel strategy to shared resources to personnel
policies to reporting structure to success metrics.  The more complete
the plan, the better your chances of success.  I’ll bet that Logitech
did a reasonable job here.
2. Actually implementing that plan.  This is where most acquisitions
fall apart.  My humble advice to the SD team is to watch this like a
hawk.  Otherwise, as soon as the key-individual period runs out, you’ll
be gone.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[ModelCitizen]

Mark Norton;148341 Wrote: 
> The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
> Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receive
> commercial recompense for your efforts.
Yup... as you'll know, having three cars and one driver... these goods
are very hollow and unsatisfying marks of success. The ownership of
them will not make you happy. All they'll make you do it wonder why you
feel hollow and unfulfilled... plus many everyday people will really
dislike you or think you are pathetic for promenading your wealth
infront of them and thinking it makes you important and superior.
I'm afraid you've rather missed the mark with this one.
I'm sure Sean's sense of self-fulfillment (like Michael Hergers and the
other contributors too) comes mostly (99%) from doing something they
believed in and enjoyed. The rest is just baubles.
Unfortunately out current shallow glossy magazine western society
promotes baubles above the (to me) obviously important things that
bring individuals happiness and fulfillent.
Give me a bicycle, fresh air and open country roads over the
planet-destroying, selfish, short sighted and ego-centric behaviour of
someone who owns three gas guzzling cars any day. 
That about sums it up really.

MC


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[nicketynick]

konut;148335 Wrote: 
> 
> I look forward to the day, in 5 years, when I'll have a SB6 in my shirt
> pocket. A flash based 2 terabyte device that uses QUAC( quantum
> universal audio codec) files, controlled by a Harmony fob, in my pants
> pocket, and viewable on the Logitech MONacle( media optical nexus),
> available in prescription at extra cost,  and streams HD audio, and
> video if you choose, to any wifi enabled audio, or HT, system within
> 50ft. ;)))!

And here we are at the root of it - the source of all the angst.  When
that product comes to market for the first time, it will not be from
Logitech/SD! It will be the fruit of a small company with resident
geniuses, and very likely a dedicated community such as this one that
we know and love.  
There will be short-term benefits with this deal - a slim device that
will be recognizable as a SB (to those who remember) will penetrate the
mass market, and before you know it, every household will have one (of
one brand or another), and it will be attached to the 'entertainment
center', whatever that's going to look like.  But it will be
mass-market: it will not be 'audiophile', it will be 'dumbed-down',
think home-theatre-in-a-box (hmm, why not include an SB4 in a HTIAB?
Adds Internet functionality and home-network media streamingDVDs
are so old-school, but I digress).
Anyway, the corporate beast simply will not have the flexibility or the
focus (serving the masses takes a lot of resources) to remain on the
cutting edge of product development. It's a pretty reliable cycle -
small companies do cutting edge, get bought out when they're ready for
mass-market, and someone else with a vision picks up some of the pieces
and comes up with something nobody had done quite right yet. And what do
you want to bet that many of the folks on this forum will meet again at
some other forum for a SD-like company??  See you there!


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[slim] Re: SqueezesoftHeadless.exe

[JJZolx]

BTW, there's no good reason to approach this as if launching the web
page connecting to SlimServer is launching Softsqueeze (or SlimServer,
for that matter).

Just start up Softsqueeze headless, perhaps by putting a shortcut to it
in your Windows Start > Programs > Startup folder and let Softsqueeze
run 24/7.  It won't hurt anything.  When you want to get to the web
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[slim] Re: SqueezesoftHeadless.exe

[JJZolx]

socialxray;148242 Wrote: 
> Well the saga continues.  
> 
> Looks like Squeezesoft 3.2 has been completely revamped.  All the
> documentation I could find is outdated.  
> 
> Anyone know how to make Squeezesoft 3.2 run in headless mode?
Easiest way is to download and install the Softsqueeze 3.2.1 Windows
installer from: 

https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105169&package_id=113211

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[slim] Nokia 770 charging cradle?

[Simon Still]

Getting away from the Logitech Slim discussion for a moment it's worth remembering some of the advantages of the Slim solution. Finally with 6.5 I'm using the Nokia 770 with the 770 skin and it makes a great remote for Slimserver.  It is really good - sure a scroll wheel and some buttons would be a much better navigation method than a stylus which can be a bit fiddly but it lets you access the full power of a multi-room Squeezebox solution.
My one big gripe is forgetting to charge the thing and finding it with flat batteries when i need to use it - for a device of this type an old school Palm/Pronto style set of contacts and a base for charging would have been really sensible.  Has anyone rigged any sort of solution that means you can put the 770 to bed simply and have it charged when you pick it up without fiddling with cables?

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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mitch Harding]

You are not being taken for a ride.  You contribute with your eyes open as to the situation.  You know you are not going to be compensated monetarily, and choose to do so anyway.  Thus, you presumably do it for other reasons.  Numerous people have explained their motivations.
Everything I do in life is not about money.  Should I only read books if someone pays me to do it?  No -- by reading the book, I get enjoyment and better myself.  The same things I can achieve by contributing to an open source project.  And in both cases, someone else benefits monetarily, assuming I paid for the book.
Anyone who feels the way you do is free to charge for all of their software.I don't understand why contributors would complain about this..  But then, it seems like the contributors aren't the ones complaining...
On 10/20/06, Mark Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receivecommercial recompense for your efforts. If you do not own your home,why not? If you still have a mortgage, why? If you need to borrow money
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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michael Herger]

Ah, yes, but is it a Porche bicycle?


I'm afraid, no. It's a simpel.ch - rather the Skoda aforementioned :-)

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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michaelwagner]

Mark Norton;148341 Wrote: 
> The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
> Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receive
> commercial recompense for your efforts.
That was your point in starting the thread. 

You're welcome to make your point. 

And you're welcome to your feelings.

Not everyone shares the viewpoint, or the feelings.

I share the sentiment of others. This is feeling more and more like a
troll. I've just unsubscribed.


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Re: [slim] Re: So Sorry...

[kdf]

Quoting Masterbaron  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




i appreciate the heads-up .. best to us in the new environ...


np.  fwiw, I'd still go ahead with the transporter.  It's a good  
product and is certainly branded as Slim Devices for the near future.   
The sale of SD may be shocking news, but it's the same people in the  
same office that will be dealing with the product for some time to  
come.  No one can take it away from you and no one can remove firmware  
that is on it.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[radish]

Mark Norton;148341 Wrote: 
> 
> The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
> Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receive
> commercial recompense for your efforts.
> 
Crap. Utter crap. I am being taken for a ride if I WANT recompense and
don't get it. If I DON'T WANT IT then what's the problem?

> 
> Since some seem to regard car ownership as some sort of yardstick, Sean
> has a Porsche. So do I. And a Ferrari. And a Mercedes SL.

I regard comments like that as a yardstick of -something- that's for
sure. And it's not "success" ;)

There's really no point continuing this debate with you if you can't
understand that anyone could be motivated by something other than
money. I'm happy that you're happy, really I am. Now be so kind as to
accept that OS developers also have the right to do as they please with
their time and talents without being denegrated for it, particularly by
those who (presumably) use and benefit from the very product they
worked so hard to create.

I call troll.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Kevin O. Lepard]

 > put the same spec Philips TV next to the B&O one and people go
 > for the badge.

You're probably right, to a certain extent anyway.


There are definitely some who don't care about the badge or cost, 
only results.  And if the results can be had for fewer dollars, so 
much the better.  A good example of this is the T-amp, which is 
inexpensive, but has gotten very good reviews from what I can tell 
from audiophiles.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[bklaas]

Mark Norton;148341 Wrote: 
> The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
> Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receive
> commercial recompense for your efforts.

Poppycock. Complete and utter poppycock. You're implying OS developers
don't get anything out of their efforts if there isn't money attached
to it. That's a bogus claim. But if you don't get it, you don't get
it.

Mark Norton;148341 Wrote: 
> Sean has a Porsche. So do I. And a Ferrari. And a Mercedes SL.

Well, that speaks volumes.


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Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Kevin O. Lepard]

Quoting CardinalFang 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

.


You've just described the audiophile market :-)


Again, we're back to the Slim Devices name having value.


I agree that Slim Devices has earned some "street cred."

Now Logitech will have the gear to bring value to their name in new 
markets as well.


I agree.  I suspect the credibility of a successful product is part 
of what drove their purchasing interest.


I think they've done a good job with improving the Harmony remote 
product line and I certainly hope they do the same here.  Retaining 
Sean, Dean, & Co. certainly is a good start, IMO.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Kevin O. Lepard]

why are B&O and Bose so popular for example?


I believe it is due to successful marketing combined with adequate 
performance.  I'm not claiming either provide audiophile or even 
best-for-cost performance, but both are well-marketed and perform 
well enough that the majority of their customers like them.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Kevin O. Lepard]

Kevin O. Lepard;148294 Wrote:

 If you're not buying it because it doesn't perform, that's one thing.
 If you're not buying something that does perform, but because it says
 "Logitech" on it instead of "AUDIOPHILE EXPENSIVE BRAND X" on it (or
 for that matter SlimDevices), then I stand by my original comment:
 That's just silly.


You've just described the audiophile market :-)


:-) Ok, well, to some extent I guess I agree with you there.  I think 
paying more for the cachet of a certain brand name is silly.  But if 
you pay more for better performance or esthetics, I understand that. 
Certainly the esthetics of the Transformer are better than the SB 
series, though I think the SB series are fine for most locales.


I think that some version of the 80/20 rule applies here.  You can 
get 80% of the performance for 20% of the price, but if you want the 
last 20% of performance, costs ramp up pretty fast.


Anyway, to each one's own.

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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michaelwagner]

Michael Herger;148347 Wrote: 
> I have no car. But a bicycle.

Ah, yes, but is it a Porche bicycle?


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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Jacob Potter]

On 10/20/06, Mark Norton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receive
commercial recompense for your efforts.


No, the point of this thread is for you to point out that you would
feel you had been taken for a ride if you did not recieve money for
your programming. The rest of us, some who have contributed code and
some who have not, are demonstrating that that's not the case for most
people.

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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michaelwagner]

ah, sorry, misunderstood. Yes, PST on goods imported from the US.


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[slim] Re: So Sorry...

[Masterbaron]

i appreciate the heads-up .. best to us in the new environ...

cheers.


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[slim] Re: SqueezesoftHeadless.exe

[shabbs]

socialxray;148242 Wrote: 
> Well the saga continues.  
> 
> Looks like Squeezesoft 3.2 has been completely revamped.  All the
> documentation I could find is outdated.  
> 
> Anyone know how to make Squeezesoft 3.2 run in headless mode?
Ummm... I'm running Sofsqueeze v3.2.1 and I simply double click on the
softsqueezeheadless.exe executable. Works fine with my SS 6.5.1.

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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mark Lanctot]

Michaelwagner;148348 Wrote: 
> Why 2? There should have been no US tax.

PST + GST.


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[slim] Re: So Sorry...

[kdf]

just for clarity, a fix went into 6.5.1 a few days ago to hopefully fix
the problem with salling clicker, to allow them proper time to migrate
to the cli.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michaelwagner]

Mark Lanctot;148275 Wrote: 
> I love paying TWO taxes on something that wasn't even made in this
> country.

Why 2? There should have been no US tax.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michaelwagner]

bklaas;148202 Wrote: 
> Firefox (open-source) vs. IE (proprietary)
> Wikipedia (open-source) vs. Encylopedia Brittanica/Encarta/Whatever
> (proprietary)

I know that's the canonical comparison, but it has a bit of a problem
(IMHO).

Firefox, I believe, still goes through testing cycles. And the number
of people who can actually update the code is somewhat limited, and the
people are vetted. Same was true for Slimserver.

Wikipedia, OTOH, seems to be freely postable by (almost) anyone, with
negligable screening. Which is why they've had some problems with data
defacement - people who muck with the biographies of others, etc.

This isn't an open source argument, exactly, but just pointing out a
flaw at the edges of open-ness.


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[slim] Re: So Sorry...

[Masterbaron]

since you understand - that means you have experience then - spoken like
a true authority as one who never takes his head out of his ass (no
offense taken)...that would require caring about what you said!


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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Michael Herger]

The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receive
commercial recompense for your efforts.


So what? I'm having fun in my free time. Something money can hardly buy.


It's more than worked for me. Since some seem to regard car ownership
as some sort of yardstick, Sean has a Porsche. So do I. And a Ferrari.
And a Mercedes SL.


Ok, you got me: I have no car. But a bicycle. And a tandem. Poor open  
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Re: [slim] Re: SqueezesoftHeadless.exe

[Phil Meyer]

>Anyone know how to make Squeezesoft 3.2 run in headless mode?
Instead of running Softsqeeze (not Squeezesoft!) run in headless mode, you 
could try Squeezeslave.  This was written by the same author of Softsqueeze, as 
a windows console application.

I haven't tried to use it for a while - I'm not sure if it works with 6.5.  I'm 
also not sure where you get it from - you'll have to search around.

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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Michaelwagner]

konut;148335 Wrote: 
> I've read the 27 pages(probably 28 by the time I post this)

Only 7 pages now.

Did someone move 20 pages somewhere else? Or is page size different for
different users?


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[mzpro5]

People that are acting like they were "sold out" and won't reap any
benefits from the SD/Logitech deal have got to be kidding.  

Did you put up any real capital to get the company off the ground?  Did
you pay any of Slim Devices bills when there was a cash flow problem
(every company runs into those times)? Did you risk anything other than
time you scheduled when you wanted?

Until you really put up everything including financial stability and
livelihood and accept the inherant risk in starting a new company you
just have to be kidding or doing drugs to even remotely think you would
be "due" something.

To all the guys at SD, I may be concerned about the future of SD, SB
and everything else but applaud the fact you were able to get a big
gain off your investments.  Kudos to free enterprise.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mark Norton]

Well, actually, I believe in rewarding people who work for me based on
their contribution and as far back as 1981 I was co-founder of a
company which placed its entire share capital into a trust so that all
employees, me included, could be rewarded based on their contribution
without interference from shareholders. That company is now one of the
leading suppliers of software in its field and has an enviably high
employee retention rate.

The whole point of this thread is to point out to people working with
Open Source that you are being taken for a ride if you do not receive
commercial recompense for your efforts. If you do not own your home,
why not? If you still have a mortgage, why? If you need to borrow money
for anything, why?

It's more than worked for me. Since some seem to regard car ownership
as some sort of yardstick, Sean has a Porsche. So do I. And a Ferrari.
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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[wotuzu17]

Logitech- keep it open source or I'll be angry !


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Michaelwagner]

CardinalFang;148316 Wrote: 
> People like to talk about stuff. That doesn't make it pathetic

No, but the whining does.

Face it. We don't know what's going to happen. Logitech is a specific
company, at this specific point in time, with these specific leaders,
subject to these specific market trends and forces. Same for SD.

That combination of factors makes this takeover fairly unique.

To claim that you know, as a certainty, that this is going to be a
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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[konut]

I've read the 27 pages(probably 28 by the time I post this) of the
hand-wringing, grousing, congrats, and various 'special interest'
concerns about the Logitech acquisition, and am, for the most part,
amused. I suppose that, because of my age, I see things a bit
differently and prefer to look at this in a larger context. I think its
important to remind, or introduce for the first time, a few concepts and
facts that  germane to the discussion.

1. Change is inevitable. Live it, or live with it.

2. SD has, up to this point, introduced products that are a real value
to those of us who enjoy listening to high quality music reproduction.
No one is going to confiscate it or charge you anything more for
continuing to use it. It stands as a testament to the management team
of SD as a benchmark of the way companies should conduct any kind of
business. Sean and company deserve every accolade and monetary benefit
they've been able to garner. If SD were to cease to exist tomorrow, 
we'd still enjoy the fruits of their labors. Their contribution to the
enjoyment of music , IMHO, is as great as the CD itself.

3. Call me naive, but the evidence exists that Logitec will let SD
continue to operate as it has until such time that it ceases to grow in
the manor it has in the past. The ball is in SD's court to continue to
innovate and develop products and services that retain old customers
and attract new ones. Why would Logitec mess with this proven track
record? It would be against their shareholders best interest.
Observations that SD is swirling the drain are premature. If Logitech's
objective were to kill SD, then you wouldn't be reading this post. 

I look forward to the day, in 5 years, when I'll have a SB6 in my shirt
pocket. A flash based 2 terabyte device that uses QUAC( quantum
universal audio codec) files, controlled by a Harmony fob, in my pants
pocket, and viewable on the Logitech MONacle( media optical nexus),
available in prescription at extra cost,  and streams HD audio, and
video if you choose, to any wifi enabled audio, or HT, system within
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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[JSonnabend]

> Open Source/GPL may be a good idea, but not when some people profiteer
> on the back of other people's efforts.
I think the biggest point has yet to be made.  

What's to stop -you- from doing the same?  It's open source.  Someone
wants to buy it off you, then sell it to them.  They could just as
easily get it for free themselves, so if they're willing to pay you,
they're either stupid or perceive some added value you provide.

Oh, and you could design your own hardware that uses SlimServer and
sell that, too.

Who'd be riding whose back then?

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[slim] Re: Play doesn't resume at power up

[Jeff52]

Check your settings under 

Player Settings ---> Audio ---> Power On Resume


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Marshall Clow]

At 11:24 AM -0700 10/20/06, Mark Lanctot wrote:

funkstar;148313 Wrote:

 Only until you die.

 (god i'm in a cheery mood tonight...)


That's why I put "forever" in quotes.  ;-)

Also, for me, half the fun is setting it up.  It's like Christmas
morning.  I want to savour it and go at it slowly.  I'm also taking
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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mark Norton]

Enjoy your new toy...


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mark Lanctot]

funkstar;148313 Wrote: 
> Only until you die.
> 
> (god i'm in a cheery mood tonight...)

That's why I put "forever" in quotes.  ;-)

Also, for me, half the fun is setting it up.  It's like Christmas
morning.  I want to savour it and go at it slowly.  I'm also taking
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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[funkstar]

CardinalFang;148311 Wrote: 
> Most ordinary consumers take the Volkswagen, the same way that they'll
> taken an iPod and not an equally good alternative. Results actually
> don't matter that much to most people and they won't do the comparison,
> they'll take the brand they won't be embarassed about. Why are B&O and
> Bose so popular for example? Is it because they are the best or because
> the brand impresses other people?  B&O equipment is actually Philips
> inside - put the same spec Philips TV next to the B&O one and people go
> for the badge.
You're probably right, to a certain extent anyway.

OT: The good thing about B&O (and part of the reason for the cost) is
they will still be able to repair your system 20 years after you
purchased it...apparently. Obviously it's not a 20 year warranty, but
at least they won't tell you to throw it away and start again like most
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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[CardinalFang]

Jack Coates;148260 Wrote: 
> Actually, I sincerely hope that both of them have better things to do
> than to participate in this pathetic whine fest.

What are bulletin boards about except to discuss things? People like to
talk about stuff. That doesn't make it pathetic, it's just human nature.


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Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[kdf]

Quoting CardinalFang  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

.


You've just described the audiophile market :-)


Doesn't really fit with me.  Sure, it's the joke, but any company  
making audiophile gear had to start somewhere.  Any name is made or  
broken on the quality of their gear.  Calling yourself TacT might be  
worth something now, but it wasn't a guarantee until their products  
made a mark. Again, we're back to the Slim Devices name having value.   
Now Logitech will have the gear to bring value to their name in new  
markets as well.


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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[funkstar]

Mark Lanctot;148309 Wrote: 
> But I have all weekend to play with it, and "forever" after that.
Only until you die.

(god i'm in a cheery mood tonight...)


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Re: [slim] Re: Logitech vs Slim Devices

[kdf]

Quoting shabbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


"I'm trying to plug my optical mouse into the optical input on my
Transporter..."

;)


hrm...makeshift karaoke microphone??
heh :)
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[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Mark Lanctot]

Chip Hart;148301 Wrote: 
> Mark Lanctot wrote:
> > My Transporter was just delivered.  
> 
>   ...and you're responding to email?

Err 

I will have to do some significant re-arranging of my equipment to
accommodate it.

Plus, well, that aircraft aluminum really takes on the cold!  It's
chilly today, 6 C, and there's no way I'm putting power on something
that cold until it warms up.

But I have all weekend to play with it, and "forever" after that.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[CardinalFang]

Kevin O. Lepard;148294 Wrote: 
> >  > >Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the
> >>  >service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my
> hi-fi
> >>  >gear...
> >>
> >>  That's just silly.
> >>
> >
> >A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer
> on
> >your drive?
> 
> Never owned either.  But if the _only_ difference is the badge, and the
> fit, finish, options, etc., are the same then I'll take the cheaper one.
> Results matter, not the logo on them.

Most ordinary consumers take the Volkswagen, the same way that they'll
taken an iPod and not an equally good alternative. Results actually
don't matter that much to most people, why are B&O and Bose so popular
for example?


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[slim] Re: Logitech vs Slim Devices

[shabbs]

True... very true.

"I'm trying to plug my optical mouse into the optical input on my
Transporter..."

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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[CardinalFang]

Kevin O. Lepard;148294 Wrote: 
> If you're not buying it because it doesn't perform, that's one thing. 
> If you're not buying something that does perform, but because it says
> "Logitech" on it instead of "AUDIOPHILE EXPENSIVE BRAND X" on it (or
> for that matter SlimDevices), then I stand by my original comment: 
> That's just silly.

You've just described the audiophile market :-)


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Michaelwagner]

funkstar;148296 Wrote: 
> None of us know the details of the deal SlimDevices have done with
> Logitech, so we don't know how SD will operate in the future.

Right. And until we know that, if we ever know that, this is all just
uninformed electrons flapping in the breeze.


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[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[funkstar]

God this thread is hard to keep track of :)

None of us know the details of the deal SlimDevices have done with
Logitech, so we don't know how SD will operate in the future.

Will they be dictated to by Logitch board? or will the be a completely
seperate, but wholy owned subsidury?

Everyone writing like they assume the former, but really we have no
idea.


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[slim] Re: Light-hearted: what will the new company name be?

[coldslabs]

SlimLog?

And don't forget the anagrams:
http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=slimdevices+logitech


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[slim] Re: Light-hearted: what will the new company name be?

[jonheal]

coldslabs;148295 Wrote: 
> SlimLog?
> 
> And don't forget the anagrams:
> http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=slimdevices+logitech

And then there's the box itself ...

SqueezeALog


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Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!

[Mitch Harding]

I agree completely.On 10/20/06, Kevin O. Lepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the>>  >service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi>>  >gear...  That's just silly.
A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer on>your drive?Never owned either.  But if the _only_ difference is the badge, andthe fit, finish, options, etc., are the same then I'll take the
cheaper one.  Results matter, not the logo on them.>I wouldn't buy a Logitech Transporter because they are not renowned for>high-end audio engineering or for understanding the needs of the HiFi>audience.
If you're not buying it because it doesn't perform, that's one thing.If you're not buying something that does perform, but because it says"Logitech" on it instead of "AUDIOPHILE EXPENSIVE BRAND X" on it (or
for that matter SlimDevices), then I stand by my original comment:That's just silly.But hey, it's your call to buy or not buy.Kevin--Kevin O. LepardHappiness is being 100% Microsoft free.
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Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?

[Chip Hart]

Mark Lanctot wrote:
> My Transporter was just delivered.  

...and you're responding to email?

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[slim] Re: Light-hearted: what will the new company name be?

[jonheal]

jeffluckett;148291 Wrote: 
> "DevicesThatUsedToBeSlimButHavePutOnSomeExtraPoundsLately"

ReallyDangerouslyObeseButLogicalDevices


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[slim] Re: Light-hearted: what will the new company name be?

[jeffluckett]

jonheal;148292 Wrote: 
> ReallyDangerouslyObeseButLogicalDevices

Interesting ... the acronym for that would be RDOBLD ... which sounds
like "Redoubled".


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