[slim] Logitech UE Air Speaker with iPeng ?
Has anyone tried the 'Logitech UE Air Speaker' (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-speakers/ue-air-speaker) together with iPeng with playback option ? Kind of feels like Logitech UE Air Speaker + iPeng with playback theoretically could act as a Boom replacement, but have anyone tried if and how it works ? If you have tried it, how is the audio quality compared to a Squeezebox Boom or Radio ? It will of course get fairly expensive if you need to purchase both the speaker and the iOS device, but I've noticed that with Apple releasing new hardware every year I tend to get old iOS devices after a while which I don't use for anything useful. Are there better iOS docking stations with speakers than Logitech UE Air Speaker which could be used the same way to accomplish a stereo Squeezebox with built in speakers ? Maybe cheaper ones that accomplish similar or better audio quality than Logitech UE Air Speaker ? Are there any similar good docking stations with speakers for Android that could accomplish the same with bluegaspode's SqueezePlayer app ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95633 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Google Squeezebox: Nexus Q
ajkidle wrote: > ... Really wish Logitech would revive this product line... I hope it will not be... too little, too late verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Google Squeezebox: Nexus Q
ajkidle wrote: > Did Google just announce their version of a Squeezebox, but with far > less functionality than the real thing? Really wish Logitech would > revive this product line... > > http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/google-nexus-q-revealed/all/ > Kind of cool physical design, but as all advertising images it looks a lot nicer without the cables than it will in your own home when the cables have to be attached to its back. The social playlists idea seems kind of similar, but not exactly the same, to what the free iPeng Party app for Squeezebox offers us. It has the same issue as iPeng Party but opposite, with iPeng Party all visitors have to have an iPhone with Nexus Q all visitors have to have an Android, with the Squeezebox it's at least possible to do normal remote control both with Android and iPhone, but maybe Google will have an open API for Nexus Q so it's possible for third parties to provide a iPhone remote control for it. Nice with built-in streaming from Google Music, but the disadvantage is likely going to be what's already mentioned in the article, that they won't provide any support for other streaming services such as Spotify, Rdio, Rhapsody and similar, but maybe that will work through third party Android apps. Although, it's a bit worrying that the article talks about a lock-in, could this mean that they won't support third party apps on it ? Overall it still feels positive that Google is trying to use Android for something else then tablets/smart phones, the competition is needed and hopefully it will also result in improved audio/music related features in the Android OS over time. However, so far my feeling is that Google is too scattered without any real long term focus except for anything related to advertisement, so it would surprise me if they in the future turn out to be preferred music streaming hardware provider, but I might be wrong, maybe they really have decided to do something that stays this time. As already mentioned, running SqueezePlayer on Nexus Q, could make it into a really cool Squeezebox, compatible to all our other Squeezeboxes and possible to remote control with all our normal Squeezebox remote controls, and making all streaming services we are used to available on Nexus Q. bluegaspode, thanks again for providing SqueezePlayer, its potential seems to increase more and more for every new Android device released. By the way, I still love the physical design of my old Squeezebox Classic with silver bottom, looks a lot better and less plastic compared to the newer Squeezebox Touch. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Google Squeezebox: Nexus Q
Such as SqueezePlayer, which is available already ;-) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Google Squeezebox: Nexus Q
It's an android box.. Maybe Logitech should make a squeezeslave app. SqueezePlayer is out there already and does the job. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
I'm honestly pretty happy. All my stuff works together well, audio quality is good, sync works well. Erlands plugins are very useful, particularly dynamic playlist. I would like faster/more access to services. For example, wolfgangs vault has been on Sonos a while. And we've lost live music archive. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Perfectwave DAC with bridge and LMS
Thanks Andrew I have already purchased this device, although it hasn't yet arrived. I didn't primarily buy it for the bridge functionality but just as a dac. I was concerned to note that ps audio seem to concentrate on their elyric music manager software, and that the bridge will apparently not play gapless- the workaround being for Emm to create a single giant wav. I currently use a SBT with inguz spotify etc and would hate to have to use inferior software. Ideally I would like to see if I can get this functionality via the bridge if it can interface with the SBT. If not, I will probably use the SBT USB out to use the perfect wave as a dac. I think other people may be interested in this because ps audio look like they have botched the bridge and are trying to tie in their clientele into an all in one solution - ie a proprietary server running their software. What specs did you have in mind? adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95535 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ? What's missing from my Experience can be found in the upper left corner of this post... Sorry, but I just had to! Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Perfectwave DAC with bridge and LMS
adamdea wrote: > Is there any way I can retain the functionality of LMS while using a PS > audio dac with bridge. Should this work with LMS as it is , or via some > other program eg whitebear. > You will need to provide us with the specs of the device. A quick google indicates that the PS audio claims to be able to work with any DLNA source and/or any DLNA sink. But there's no way I am going to recommend you buying such an expensive piece of kit without knowing more... That being said, if it really can browse a DLNA ContentDirectory, then it it can most probably work with either the LMS own UPnP/DLNA plug in. However this will probably only be able to render mp3 quality. (The LMS own UPnP/DLNA plug in downsamples HD audio to mp3 i.e. the lowest common denominator). On the other hand, if you ditch the LMS UPnP plug in, and use LMS plus Whitebear instead, then it should be able to deliver audio to the player with lossless lpcm quality. But as I said before, please post your specs here first... AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95535 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
erland wrote: > The issue with Spotify is that I don't think it expose a http url, it > just expose a spotify identity and the player have to understand that > and use Spotify API on the player side to get the audio data. Is > something like that possible through UPnP or does UPnP require that the > server provides a http url to the player for the player to be able to > play the music ? Virtually all UPnP players can play http lpcm streams or http mp3 streams, so that would be ideal. Anything exotic would require some form of transcoding proxy in between; that is not impossible, but it is very specific to the Spotify service provider, so not very motivating to do... AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Google Squeezebox: Nexus Q
It's an android box.. Maybe Logitech should make a squeezeslave app. SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Perfectwave DAC with bridge and LMS
adamdea wrote: > Is there any way I can retain the functionality of LMS while using a PS > audio dac with bridge. Should this work with LMS as it is , or via some > other program eg whitebear. > > Does anyone have any idea which will work best? > > I am concerned if possible to retain gapless playback, Inguz and control > through iPad/Iphone. What really: nothing. Is this a dumb question? adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95535 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
I have posted this elsewhere but, in case anyone is listening, the thing missing from my squeezebox experience is the ability to read booklet / lyrics information which comes with the cd and could be scanned, or which can be downloaded with the flac files. For opera and lieder the ability to read along can be very important. At the moment I have to keep the box set out. I understand this may be tricky, but for me it is necessary to complete the experience you get from the physical medium. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
AndrewFG wrote: > Yes, I think that J. River should be able to do both of the above two > things. Caveat: I personally did not test it beyond checking that it can > create things called "smart playlists" that dynamically play tracks > based on various standard sets of rules (e.g. ratings, recently played, > added etc.) > > Perhaps you can get a trial version and test this yourself? (Or ask on > http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php ) > For me personally JRiver isn't an option as it only runs on the OS(windows) which I don't use, just thought I'd ask in case someone else reading this thread is interesting of a UPnP only setup using JRiver. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
AndrewFG wrote: > > I don't know much about Spotify, so I don't know if there are any UPnP > players that support it natively. But even though I don't have a Spotify > Account, I can tell you that with Whitebear, I was able to browse down > to "Andrew's Music->Add-Ins->Apps->Spotify->I don't have an account"..., > so I am guessing the chances are not bad that if I did have an account, > I should be able to browse further down the tree until I got to a > playable remote stream. And if that would be so, then one could use any > UPnP CP with Whitebear as the server to play Spotify either to a Squeeze > player or indeed to any other UPnP player. (Although not knowing > Spotify, I can't say if there may be authentication issues if > Whitebear/LMS would be the browsing agent, and another device (having a > different IP address) would then try to play the stream. It might depend > on things like NAT...) > The issue with Spotify is that I don't think it expose a http url, it just expose a spotify identity and the player have to understand that and use Spotify API on the player side to get the audio data. Is something like that possible through UPnP or does UPnP require that the server provides a http url to the player for the player to be able to play the music ? Theoretically it might work with Triode's plugin as I think it expose a http URL, but in practice it doesn't work because I think Triode had to disallow streaming to non Squeezebox hardware because of Spotify licensning restrictions to ensure it's not possible to rip the streams. I could probably try by myself but the issue is that I currently don't have a Windows machine so it requires a bit of work to setup a Windows machine to be able to run Whitebear just to try. If someone else seeing this thread have access to Spotify and are using Whitebear, please let me know if it works or not. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
erland wrote: > Minimum requirement would be possibility to have an automatic playlist > that either: > > - Contains all tracks in my library except for those I've marked it to > ignore. The ignore can be accomplished with low ratings or something > similar, doesn't matter as long it works. I don't want to have to > manually update the playlist, when I add new music to the library it > should automatically be added to it. The tracks in the playlist should > be in random order. > > or > > - Contains all tracks which I've added to the library during last 2 > months. The playlist should be updated automatically when a track gets > older then 2 months or when new music is added to the library. The > tracks in the playlist should be in random order. > > Basically I'm looking at some kind of minimal sub set of what Dynamic > Playlist + SQL Playlist plugins achieves. Yes, I think that J. River should be able to do both of the above two things. Caveat: I personally did not test it beyond checking that it can create things called "smart playlists" that dynamically play tracks based on various standard sets of rules (e.g. ratings, recently played, added etc.) => Perhaps you can get a trial version and test this yourself? (Or ask on http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php ) AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
AndrewFG wrote: > Sorry Erland, but I don't know what you mean by a "smart playlist"? > Minimum requirement would be possibility to have an automatic playlist that either: - Contains all tracks in my library except for those I've marked it to ignore. The ignore can be accomplished with low ratings or something similar, doesn't matter as long it works. I don't want to have to manually update the playlist, when I add new music to the library it should automatically be added to it. The tracks in the playlist should be in random order. or - Contains all tracks which I've added to the library during last 2 months. The playlist should be updated automatically when a track gets older then 2 months or when new music is added to the library. The tracks in the playlist should be in random order. Basically I'm looking at some kind of minimal sub set of what Dynamic Playlist + SQL Playlist plugins achieves. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
erland wrote: > > - Is smart playlists supported if I control the player with a tablet and > use JRiver Media Center as server ? > Sorry Erland, but I don't know what you mean by a "smart playlist"? erland wrote: > > - Is Dynamic Playlist plugin provided smart playlists supported if I use > Whitebear ? > Not currently. This is because your plugin presents itself in the top level menu of the LMS Web UI, and this makes it difficult for me to support. I don't know your plugin well enough to be sure, but I am guessing that if the dynamic playlist would present itself (say under PlayLists) as a regular "track" (having a specific "virtual" track_id) then a UPnP CP could command LMS, via Whitebear and the CLI, to play that "track" as if it would be a real one. Or alternatively perhaps if it would present itself as a remote stream (having an http url) under Apps, then a UPnP CP could command LMS, via Whitebear and the CLI, to play that "stream". Obviously I don't want to hard code anything in Whitebear, so one would have to find a dynamic way to step down the browse tree (as it already does in the case of Apps, Podcasts, Radio). erland wrote: > > - Do you know if Spotify is supported in any UPnP players ? If it are, > are those players possible to control with an external UPnP Control > Point ? > I don't know much about Spotify, so I don't know if there are any UPnP players that support it natively. But even though I don't have a Spotify Account, I can tell you that with Whitebear, I was able to browse down to "Andrew's Music->Add-Ins->Apps->Spotify->I don't have an account"..., so I am guessing the chances are not bad that if I did have an account, I should be able to browse further down the tree until I got to a playable remote stream. And if that would be so, then one could use any UPnP CP with Whitebear as the server to play Spotify either to a Squeeze player or indeed to any other UPnP player. (Although not knowing Spotify, I can't say if there may be authentication issues if Whitebear/LMS would be the browsing agent, and another device (having a different IP address) would then try to play the stream. It might depend on things like NAT...) erland wrote: > I've tried PlugPlayer and it's was way to buggy for my taste, but I used > it towards LMS built-in UPnP server so possibly the crashes can have > been caused, thanks for the tips of the other tablet apps, will take a > look and see if any of them works better. > Yes, it is indeed buggy. erland wrote: > > Why do you use iPeng instead of a UPnP controller ? > Is it because there isn't anything with the same functionality using > UPnP or is there some other reason ? Well basically I like iPeng. And as I already have a way to go iPeng->LMS->SqueezePlayer then why would I want to take the longer path OtherCP->Whitebear->LMS->SqueezePlayer ?? AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] The Google Squeezebox: Nexus Q
Did Google just announce their version of a Squeezebox, but with far less functionality than the real thing? Really wish Logitech would revive this product line... http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/google-nexus-q-revealed/all/ ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
AndrewFG wrote: > Well, I would suggest two solutions: > - Is smart playlists supported if I control the player with a tablet and use JRiver Media Center as server ? - Is Dynamic Playlist plugin provided smart playlists supported if I use Whitebear ? - Do you know if Spotify is supported in any UPnP players ? If it are, are those players possible to control with an external UPnP Control Point ? I've tried PlugPlayer and it's was way to buggy for my taste, but I used it towards LMS built-in UPnP server so possibly the crashes can have been caused, thanks for the tips of the other tablet apps, will take a look and see if any of them works better. AndrewFG wrote: > > On the iPad I have Kinsky loaded and also PlugPlay (but to be honest I > use iPeng to control the Squeezeplayers directly) > Why do you use iPeng instead of a UPnP controller ? Is it because there isn't anything with the same functionality using UPnP or is there some other reason ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
erland wrote: > > Now, let's say I would like to replace all this setup with something > completely based on UPnP, are there any recommendations from someone > that believes in UPnP and know it's possible to accomplish something > that works with UPnP ? > Is it even possible to accomplish something similar with a UPnP based > solution ? > In that case what hardware/software do I need to get ? > Well, I would suggest two solutions: CASE A. IF YOU WANT A PURE UPNP ONLY ENVIRONMENT:[/B] - USE J. RIVER MEDIA CENTER AS YOUR MAIN MEDIA SERVER AND CONTROL POINT - USE WHATEVER UPNP HARDWARE PLAYERS THAT TAKE YOUR FANCY. YOU COULD SELECT FROM SOME OF THE PREVIOUS POSTER'S SUGGESTIONS, OR LOOK AT J. RIVER'S \"MEDIA NETWORK\" FORUMS FOR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS WORK AND WHAT DO NOT. [B]CASE B. IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR SQUEEZEBOXES AND ADD UPNP PLAYERS AND/OR CONTROL POINTS TOO: - Use LMS as your main media server - Use Whitebear i) to integrate your LMS media library into the UPnP world, and ii) to integrate your Squeeze Players into the UPnP world. In both of the above cases, you can have one (or more) tablet or PC based Control Point applications. In case B you need at least one Control Point application. If you are in the Windows world you can use Windows Media Player 12, Asset Control, J. River (used as Control Point only), or Kinsky. Another candidate that I know about, but do not use is XBMC. If you are in the tablet world, there are many choices depending on what OS your machine runs. On the iPad I have Kinsky loaded and also PlugPlay (but to be honest I use iPeng to control the Squeezeplayers directly). Also the previous poster has suggested a few other UPnP Control Points for tablets. I admit that Whitebear is Windows platform specific. Personally I use a small Atom based black box Windows machine (a Shuttle) that runs LMS and Whitebear. Note that there are basically two types of Control Points: a) A few Control Points (the only examples that I know of are J. River and WMP12) create a local image of the attributes of your library. Such CPs create their own browsing experience and have more powerful sorting and searching tools. But when first run, they take a while to browse through your whole library (in a background process) to create the local attributes image of the library. Obviously the local image requires some memory. Here is a screenshot from (for example) Kinsky: 13543 b) Other Control Points (almost any other one than the above mentioed) use a dynamic page-by-page tree based browse algorithm. In such CPs, the browse tree is structured by the server. In the case of Whitebear, it presents the standard LMS top level browse tree Artists, Albums, Genres, Years, Folders, PlayLists, etc. including whatever Favorites and Playlists you may have defined using the Logitech standard UI. And it also has an option (admittedly normally turned off) to present the standard LMS Add-Ins folders (Radio, Podcasts, Apps) in its browse tree. These CPs don't store anything locally (browse tree pages are served one-by-one) and so they can run on light weight machines like phones or tablets. If you specifically want gapless playback then J. River (acting as either Control Point or main library server) plus Whitebear (front end to the Squeeze players) are to be recommended. +---+ |Filename: Untitled.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13543| +---+ AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
SoundCloud plays through HTML 5 on the web site. It's one of these examples that work from iPeng but it's difficult. Soundcloud links expire after a few seconds so you can't re-play them and if you pause them, they are gone. You'd need native support for SoundCloud's API to do any better than that, e.g. through a plugin but the one plugin for SoundCloud that is available doesn't do it. There's quite a layer of authentication being done when resolving the link which is why you can't just paste them into LMS, LMS - unlike your browser - is not authorized to play these links. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
erland wrote: > If your wishes where fulfilled, would you like to perform the search > using a IR remote, tablet, smart phone or computer ? > > > Could you give some examples of what streams you are talking about ? Searching: Computer. I have LMS running on a desktop computer. I access LMS via the web interface on a laptop. Streaming: I have to admit I haven't thought this through so well, and don't have an array of examples to illustrate various possibilities. Here is one: Chicago Symphony Orchestra makes on demand broadcasts of recent concerts available. They link to soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/chicagosymphony The links from soundcloud play directly from the web browser and cannot be pasted into LMS. I have no idea whatever in what format the stream is broadcast. I'll try to find some other examples eventually. fredgoodman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
fredgoodman wrote: > > 2) Many streaming sources do not allow or provide a URL that can be > pasted directly into LMS. The only way I have found to get them into > LMS is to play them on a computer (with sound muted), rebroadcast > locally using Nicecast, and point LMS to the Nicecast stream. There > should be a way to do all of this inside LMS. For example, there could > be a mini web browser inside the LMS web interface in which one could > choose the desired stream, which would then play through LMS. If you are using an iPhone or iPad: iPeng has exactly that. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
fredgoodman wrote: > > 1) Searching in LMS is primitive. Maybe this is not so much a problem > for listeners to other music types, but it is a problem for me since I > listen mostly to classical music. What is needed is a search that > searches in all tag fields for all words with an (implicit) boolean > AND. > > Here is how I actually search: I search in iTunes, copy the appropriate > album or track result, paste into a word processor, copy an appropriate > piece of the result, and finally paste that into the LMS search box. > Clumsy, but I can actually find things this way. > > I could give examples, but I don't want to make this too long. > If your wishes where fulfilled, would you like to perform the search using a IR remote, tablet, smart phone or computer ? fredgoodman wrote: > > 2) Many streaming sources do not allow or provide a URL that can be > pasted directly into LMS. The only way I have found to get them into > LMS is to play them on a computer (with sound muted), rebroadcast > locally using Nicecast, and point LMS to the Nicecast stream. There > should be a way to do all of this inside LMS. For example, there could > be a mini web browser inside the LMS web interface in which one could > choose the desired stream, which would then play through LMS. > Could you give some examples of what streams you are talking about ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
I find two real obstacles in using LMS: searching and streaming. 1) Searching in LMS is primitive. Maybe this is not so much a problem for listeners to other music types, but it is a problem for me since I listen mostly to classical music. What is needed is a search that searches in all tag fields for all words with an (implicit) boolean AND. Here is how I actually search: I search in iTunes, copy the appropriate album or track result, paste into a word processor, copy an appropriate piece of the result, and finally paste that into the LMS search box. Clumsy, but I can actually find things this way. I could give examples, but I don't want to make this too long. 2) Many streaming sources do not allow or provide a URL that can be pasted directly into LMS. The only way I have found to get them into LMS is to play them on a computer (with sound muted), rebroadcast locally using Nicecast, and point LMS to the Nicecast stream. There should be a way to do all of this inside LMS. For example, there could be a mini web browser inside the LMS web interface in which one could choose the desired stream, which would then play through LMS. fredgoodman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
TheLastMan wrote: > ...she looked at me as if I had just suggested she should ditch Harvey > Nichols and start buying her clothes at Primark!! (you have to be > English to understand the implications of that...) That's funny! I'll attempt a translation: "...ditch Talbots and start buying her clothes at WalMart". Too extreme? :-). On a serious note, I tend toward blind optimism and I hate being negative. However, with the way things have been with Squeezebox, even my blind optimism is wearing thin. I still hold onto the fact that I may find myself pleasantly surprised in the near future :-). maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Print out of CD list
I posted a few weeks ago onto a different thread. I'm only producing an rtf document at the moment of my albums+songs but Word can open this. Instead of talking directly to the database, I got the album list from the server using JSON. This way it's safer, and I can run it on a different machine to the server. It runs on windows or a mac using mono. (I assume it would also work on linux with mono). http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93927-How-to-extract-an-Album-and-Artist-list&p=705750&viewfull=1#post705750 docPhil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90928 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
TheLastMan wrote: > > I have no idea what I will do when Logitech finally stop supporting the > system and turns off the MySqueezebox web site. > Can't you just run a local LMS on a computer ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
maggior wrote: > Logitech needs to relaunch the Squeezebox line with some new exciting > hardware and marketing support.Yep, that is exactly what they have to do. > They won't though. My favourite discount hi-fi retailer, Superfi, has just stopped stocking any Squeezebox stuff. John Lewis used to be an enthusiastic Squeezebox seller and no longer does so (sells the complete Sonos range though). In the UK, only on-line retailers stock Squeezebox hardware these days. Not even "end of line" sale outlets like Richer Sounds stock it. Many have predicted the demise of Squeezebox before, but to all intents and purposes, it has happened already in the UK :-( I have no idea what I will do when Logitech finally stop supporting the system and turns off the MySqueezebox web site. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
maggior wrote: > I read "3" and thought "uh, that's the Boom", but then I realized you > meant something you can connect your own speakers too. In the world of > powered speakers, would that really be necessary. Somebody that is > inclined to buy their own passive speakers would also be inclined to buy > their own amplification. Maybe I'm wrong.About 90% of speakers made and sold > through your usual "consumer electronics" retailers are passive. The only active speakers most people have easy access to are the cheap ones that are sold for computers. Three of the four Sonos systems I have seen were professionally installed multi-room setups with speakers mounted high up on walls or built in to the ceiling. These need amplification and it made the installation a lot simpler to use amplified Sonos boxes. > I'm amazed that Sonos has jumped ahead of Logitech with this. Logitech > had a huge head start and certainly the brand power to see it through. > It upsets me when I go to my local department store (Target) and see a > large prominent Sonos display. Sonos is also so expensive!!Totally agree! > Mind you most of the people I know who have bought Sonos don't really have to worry about money! I remember talking to one and said that I had gone for Squeezebox partly because Sonos was so expensive. She looked at me as though I was mad "no it isn't, its really cheap!" was her reply. After further interrogation it turned out that she had also asked her installer to quote for a Linn based wired multi-room system that was going to cost about £20,000! So £2,000 for a couple of Sonos boxes and some wall mounted speakers sounded cheap to her. The Sonos installation was after all only for their weekend "cottage" in Suffolk so she was not looking for sonic perfection... When I told her that my Squeezeboxes plugged into my existing hi-fi setup and cost a total of less than £400 she looked at me as if I had just suggested she should ditch Harvey Nichols and start buying her clothes at Primark!! (you have to be English to understand the implications of that...) TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
So, just to investigate this a bit further, to make sure I don't make any conclusions based on guesses. My current setup looks like this: - A Squeezebox Radio in my bedroom which is used as alarm clock in the mornings and listening to music while going to sleep or waking up. Automatic turn of after a certain interval in the evening is nice but powering on and playing music at a specific time in the morning is a must. I mostly listen to dynamic smart playlists playing either random tracks from the favorite parts of my library or random tracks among those recently purchased. It's always controlled with the buttons on the Radio itself, never from a remote control as those tends to be somewhere else when the alarm triggers in the morning and I don't want to get out of the bed. - A Squeezebox Touch in the listening room connected via analogue connections to the Sherwood receiver (neither supports AirPlay nor UPnP). This player is controlled either with a Harmony IR remote or an iPad, IR remote if I just want to play a smart playlist and iPad if I want to browse the library and try to find something specific to play. - A Squeezebox Boom in the kitchen which is used now and then to play music, both smart playlists and specific albums. Sometimes controlled with the buttons directly on the Boom but mostly using an iPad or iPhone. (I've more players than the ones described above, but it's only the above ones I consider to be critical) - Audio quality is important in listening room but less important in the other rooms. - Available space is restricted in bedroom and kitchen, so the devices in these rooms can't be much bigger than the Radio and Boom I have today. - All players needs to be able to play both files on my central NAS (QNAP) and Spotify tracks, currently it's handled via a Linux server running LMS. - The local files on the NAS are all in FLAC format, so support for FLAC is a must. - I rarely sync players, it sometimes happens between kitchen and listening room but this is not a critical functionality for me. - The setup needs to be stable and I rarely have crashes in the current setup and I like to keep that situations. Reboots/restarts with an interval of a month or so is ok as I do this already today when upgrading server software or player firmware. - Support for Internet radio except for Spotify is nice but not a must, support for Spotify is a strict requirement. - Gapless playback is nice but not a strict requirement. - I don't want to be forced to turn on TV to listen to music in the listening room, the kitchen and bedroom doesn't even have a TV so there a TV controlled devices isn't even an option. - Regarding smart playlists it doesn't need to be that advanced but as a minimum I need to be able to: -- Exclude tracks I rarely want to hear but still want to keep in my library -- Restrict the playlist to tracks added during the last two months For my personal setup any software have to run either on Mac or Linux as that's all I have, but let's not restrict the answers to this as Windows still is pretty popular as desktop/laptop computers among other users. Now, let's say I would like to replace all this setup with something completely based on UPnP, are there any recommendations from someone that believes in UPnP and know it's possible to accomplish something that works with UPnP ? Is it even possible to accomplish something similar with a UPnP based solution ? In that case what hardware/software do I need to get ? Don't restrict the answers to what I currently have, to make it easy let's assume I don't have anything and want to accomplish a system like described above based on UPnP. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MonkeySqueeze
New Beta release! Made changes to the code so the Hostname of the LMS server or PC can be used. Very useful if LMS runs on another computer or network server and the IP Address is not static or constantly changes after a reboot or restart. Link: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=59907&start=45#p341823 Cheers Gingernut63 Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89046 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
Jumping in here, because I lost my Squeezebox in a breakup, so have been playing with UPnP a bit (it seems I'd have to spend $500 on a Squeezebox Touch if I wanted to go back to Squeezeboxes? Seems like paying a lot for features I don't really need) Anyway, I've been pretty impressed by how many things actually do DNLA/UPnP quite well: - The DNLA server on my Synology NAS is very nice, works well, an impressive web-based UI, and has managed to serve up pretty well all content I throw at it. - The UPnP player built in to my TV (Samsung something) is rubbish and would play almost nothing - I bought a $130 WD-TV player, and it does all things UPnP quite nicely, happily streams 1080p movies to my TV. Audio browsing is OK, not anywhere as good as the SqueezeServer of course. - It turns out my amplifier has a built in audio-only UPnP player, which is neat (It's a Pioneer VSX-921) - it plays audio nicely, without needing a TV running (a limitation of the WD-TV). The interface is poor, but I can control it pretty well from my tablet (more on this below). - I also have a FritzBox modem but haven't tried it's UPnP server because I haven't had the need. - I have a Galaxy Tab (android tablet), I've tried two players, Bubble UPnP and UPnPlay - both seem to work OK, for streaming low-def video and audio, and also to control other devices - this is how I play music on my amp, using UPnPlay to queue up music. HD video seems to not work so well, not sure if it's a bandwidth issue or decoding speed. - I haven't found a decent UPnP player for my Macbook - VLC has one but it crashes trying to browse my server. The big things I miss from the SqueezeBox are: - iTunes playlist integration - haven't found a way to get the NAS to recognize my iTunes playlists yet - The UIs are useable, but pretty poor compared to SlimServer / the Squeezebox. (I have my old slimp3 in a box somewhere - tempted to see if it still works, it might be all I need) - Korny On 26 June 2012 07:50, bluegaspode < bluegaspode.5eq...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote: > > Andrew, > > how many UPnP renderers do you know, which fully support the > specification, so that people can really enjoy sync + gapless playback? > > I only had one encounter of UPnP, which was my Samsung TV where I wasn't > able to play a single song of my library. And a program called > plugplayer, which crashed multiple times and seemed to be very slow. > I only tested with LMS (and the integrated UPnP server of the FritzBox) > though - so maybe Logitech is to blame for my bad experience. > > > > bluegaspode's Profile: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 > > ___ > discuss mailing list > discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com http://korny.info "We do not quit playing because we grow old, we grow old because we quit playing" - O.W. Holmes ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Trying to add Musikguiden podcast from sr.se
Jajjan wrote: > Ok, so it could be possible to make it play connected to lms but never > on a Touch connected to mysb? Yes. The main problem with many mpeg4 formatted podcast is that the file format is set up for downloading and not for streaming. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95610 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
