Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: > I have a $1200 DAC at home from a company known for very good sound at > reasonable cost, this new output is probably going to sound > significantly better. That is the level I am aiming at and I think it's > quite acahievable at a very low cost. John, a couple of feature enquiries: - do you think that a future option for Gen1 might be an add on board that allows external digital inputs to this DAC, so we can treat this player as our system DAC as well? - will the chip's programmable DSP allow us to implement some kind of tone control/graphic equaliser and maybe even a full blown room correction filter? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Noticed small difference between radio and touch
On the radio\touch go to the settings menu. You can change all this to be exactly as you want it. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
As I'm sure is true with others here, I've stayed pretty quiet just watching this thread develop. It is pretty exiting to me. I would want this device to be no more than just a high quality player. I've been pretty happy with my Duet controllers and receivers and if I had the ability to replace a Duet receiver with a higher quality unit it would be very tempting on my main stereo. I had bought into the server client type platform back with the Soundblaster Wireless Music system back in late 2003 (very similar to the Duet). I was able to keep mine running through Vista 32bit, but it was a nogo when I went to a 64 bit OS. Just so happened that close to the time I went 64 bit on my music server I found the Duet which was almost like the same thing only the display on the remote was graphic rather than text. Hopefully this part won't be too controversial. If you give us a DAC better than the Touch I'd see that as a GREAT upgrade, as I use the analog out on my receivers since that's what I need for my old Kenwood (feeds ADS L-810 speakers) and Pioneer (feeds some home built speakers). I quit playing the "audiophile" game over 30 years ago. The kids still like to come over and listen to this old school gear. Once I got my stereos so I liked the sound my changes were adding the newer transports. Went through 2 turntables (Went from home built with this tonearm; http://soundup.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3020%3Aempire-16-pro-transcription-turntable-tonearm-ae-98p&catid=20%3Atonearms&Itemid=92 to a Micro Seiki with a Ortofon cartridge), some different cassette decks (finally settled on a JVC that sounded as good as the Nakamachi Dragon to me) and finally a couple of CD players (the reason for the change was the first one broke). Since you're already going to give all flavors of digital out it should keep the new wave "audiophiles" happy, give us old timers the "cheap" built in DAC. After all, bits is bits. My own personal belief system is that bits only come in two flavors, you don't get "strong, weak, loud, quiet, harsh, hard or soft" bits, there either 1's or 0's, nothing more or less. With that said I'm voting with Erland as one of the 99%'ers. Yes, I read the "audiophile" section of these forums and must say that I do get the occasional good laugh from some of the stuff I read over there. w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
Hi, new orangesqeeze user here. I've just setup a house with LMS and orangesqueeze. I notice in the forum that a few people mentioned being able download tracks. Is this currently in the app and I just did not see it? Secondly would it be possible to do now or even in the future, to be able to select multiple (like selecting multiple photos in the gallery) to download to the device? Thanks in advance! iceman2321's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Transporter SE: Not Playing All Songs In Playlists
I have kind of a strange problem with my Transporter. I just got it a couple of weeks ago and love it. I have been using Squeeze devices for several years, but have never seen this particular problem (I did search the forums but couldn't find anything). I normally play my songs from a playlist that I create with MediaMonkey, then save the playlists to my playlist folder. Lately, I noticed that many songs on various playlists do not play - they don't even show up in the Media Server playlist view. I was using a Touch before buying the transporter. Here is some technical info: LMS 7.7.2 HP Laptop running windows Vista Transporter running wirelessly Firmware 87 USB 2.0 Probox with 4 hard drives Using MediaMonkey for creating/changing playlists All files are .flac Most files are 44.1, but some files (only a small percentage so far) are 88.2 or 96Khz. My main music folder is on the laptop's hard drive and called "My Music 1". The folders on the USB drives are named in the same fashion, i.e. "My Music 2", etc. Shortcuts to each USB drive are in the My Music 1 folder. The "missing" songs seem to be on one of the USB drives (My Music 4), but most of the files play fine. I am not using shuffle - first thing I checked. The "missing" songs play just fine through MediaMonkey and all of the tags, etc. seem to be fine. There doesn't seem to be any difference between the files that do play and the ones that do not. I have tried rescanning playlists and clearing the library and rescanning everything. Any suggestions? I assume the problem is something fairly simple, but it's a real mystery to me so far. KCJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98158 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Noticed small difference between radio and touch
These are all things you can configure. m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Noticed small difference between radio and touch
Hello, I just noticed that if I hit the now playing button on the infared remote, I can cycle through 5 screens, if I do the same on the radio it cycles through only 2 screens. The VU meter is available on the radio, correct? so shouldn't it also be one of the screens that get cycled when repeatedly pushing on the now playing screen? Same with the frequency screen, why does it not show on the radio? bengaldave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4605 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
You need to handle replay gain on all outputs including the digital ones ,but maybe squeezelite already has that covered . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Another thing to think about is volume control. Currently we are looking at 5 possible outputs, USB, S/PDIF coax, S/PDIF optical, line level analog and headphone. There are going to be three dirvers involved, USB, S/PDIF and analog. I'm not sure whether we are planning on having these running at the same time or not, but at least theoretically it's possible to have different volume on different streams. In addition the DAC has a digitalvolume control and the headphone amp has an analog volume control (digitally controled), so we have a number of possible ways the "squeezebox volume" can be routed. For example a full volume stream can be sent to S/PDIF and analog and the SB volume sent to the DAC chip, in which case both the line out and headphone will track the volume and the S/PDIF stays at full level. Or the full level stream can be sent to the DAC, which has no attenuation and the SB volume gets sent to the headphone out. Triode is going to have to let us know whether Squeezelite can handle output to more than one driver, and if so can they have different volumes. In the Touch there was one stream sent to ALSA, an ALSA config was used to clone the stream to two devices, this could certainly be used in our system as well. With the hardware volume control in both the DAC chip and headphone amp there is a fair amount of flexibility here. We have to determine whether we different outputs at the same time, and if so do we want different volumes for them, and to what level we want to be able to address that. Just some food for thought. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Squeezemenicely wrote: > @Johnswenson > > Now you really caught my attention, this sounds nearly to good to be > true. > > Very exciting indeed! > > Once it gets to Gen2 is it supposed to be a solder yourself product? > Putting boards in a box and all is no problem, but I am sure there are > many who would be frightened away if they had to start soldering. > > Really happy you guys are working on this - so maybe that Logitech > killed the line was a good thing, if we get better products made by > boardmembers - something that would have never happened otherwise. No version will need soldering. All the connectors will be on the boards. Gen 0.5 and Gen1 will be a board I'm designing, the user will be required to come up with a wandboard module (currently the only way to do that is buy the whole wandboard package), unscrew 4 screws and pop out the module and install it on our carrier board. If using the external wifi module you will need to buy it separately as well and pop it into the carrier board. This whole assembly can be mounted in a box if desired. So at least through Gen1 it will be getting 2 or 3 boards from different sources and plugging them together. I am presuming that as Gen1 progresses that at least one case design will become available. I am envisioning Gen 2 to be a fully assembled ready to go product in the box etc. This is an aspect we are going to have to look into, that will take some assembly. The board houses I work with will provide fully assembled boards, but they do not do final assembly. If we are going to provide a packaged product we need to come up with some final assembler. So Gen1 is "some assembly required", Gen2 is plug and play. As far as software goes, Gen1 is going to be: "grab an image file off the net, copy it onto an SD card and put that in the module", it's probably going to be doing a lot of that during the development phase. Gen2 should be able to come out of the box with the SD card already programed. One of the things we will have to work out in the development phase is how updates will be done, whether you program a card on some other computer and plug it in, or whether you plug in a USB flash stick and software in the box copies it to the local card, or something else. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
erland wrote: > Do you want a server in the box because you want an USB drive directly > attached to the box or do you want a server in the box because the > current player software can't work without a separate server towards the > music on your NAS ? > > Basically, would it be of interest even without a server as long as it > could play music directly from a NAS without installing additional > software on the NAS. > > > Let's get to GEN0.5 and GEN1 first before starting to discuss too much > about GEN2. If you want to discuss features of GEN2 and later, start a > separate thread for that discussion. My guess would be that the target > of GEN1 is probably maximum 100 audiophiles/DIY geeks in the community. I may have used the term server incorrectly. (My apologies, I am not a DIY computer geek.) I would like the functionality of the Touch, but have it actually work. (I have been watching the Olive One very closely as it will have a hard drive option.) I like the ability to play music on the Touch or other connected SB devices and not have to run my computer. I dont want the hassle of setting up and maintaining a separate NAS. I do not need the additional transcoding ability of the full LMS software, but if I do need it, then I can always fire-up the computer. When the Touch actually works, my wife likes it because she does not have to deal with turning on the computer and switching between MySB.com and the local LMS. No problem in deferring the scope of Gen2. However, as a project manager, I find it helpful to know what is the final objective. I am really impressed by the technical knowledge and ability of people on this forum. Many thank yous to all the people that are spending their time and money making this happen. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
P Nelson wrote: > > 2) It can run as a local server and fix the nightmare of trying > running tiny LMS on the Touch > Do you want a server in the box because you want an USB drive directly attached to the box or do you want a server in the box because the current player software can't work without a separate server towards the music on your NAS ? Basically, would it be of interest even without a server as long as it could play music directly from a NAS without installing additional software on the NAS. P Nelson wrote: > > But to build something that would interest more people, then think about > what features will most people use and then execute it very well. > Perhaps a poll on certain features is a next step to scope Gen1 and Gen2 > features? > Let's get to GEN0.5 and GEN1 first before starting to discuss too much about GEN2. If you want to discuss features of GEN2 and later, start a separate thread for that discussion. My guess would be that the target of GEN1 is probably maximum 100 audiophiles/DIY geeks in the community. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box reniera wrote: > don't like any of them. i suggest instead : > > squeezeback > > (it has almost zero match on google - that is important too) > Hi, just reminds me to a story like "wedding planning without a woman to have" Just remember - its all about open/not so opensource - i you decide to build and sell Hardware (even if you just put things from others together) you have to have some issues like guarantie, helpdesk/support and so on and on - thats not quite simply (maybe the company would stay in China something should be different) No one who can build the hardware itself together would buy such a prebuild thing. Unless there are the benefits of a big discount if some buys 10.000 items at once. So i think its a waste of time and a young schoolboydream nothing more. Just think of the Manpower behind logitech and that even this manpower cant build a "new" logitechmediaserver without using old names in the source. (if you run LMS under linux you know what i mean) Did anyone ask the sharefolder, whats possible or not? To make Manuals, Hardware compatibility lists maybe sometime a never Version of LMS that are the goals to keep in mind. Believe me if you wanna sell such things in Germany you have to get some Certificates that "your" Hardware is in the range. Cheers DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Mnyb wrote: > Wow that was unexpected I really did not expect that processor power :) > cool to be proven completely wrong it is feasible to run the server on > it, does it have SATA or are users supposed to attach an USB drive if > they want to run the server on it ? Which begs the question how many USB > ports or possibly esata if not the case going to be big enough to snuck > in at least one drive on the inside . > Is it powerfull enough to transcode using SOX or LAME faad etc ,fyi I've > actually found lame to be the greater CPU hog . Don't know about transcode as I was really thinking about local playback as per Touch, but with enough power to make it work.. Time will tell. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: > Echoing JackOfAll's comments - very impressed by processing capablity of > the wandboard dual lite - its been running for 12 hours on Clive's first > image streaming to my usb dac for most of that time whilst I've been > doing many other things with it at the same time. Its performing as a > low powered desktop - I think its got good chance of running a server at > reasonable speed as well as a UI and a playback application. Wow that was unexpected I really did not expect that processor power :) cool to be proven completely wrong it is feasible to run the server on it, does it have SATA or are users supposed to attach an USB drive if they want to run the server on it ? Which begs the question how many USB ports or possibly esata if not the case going to be big enough to snuck in at least one drive on the inside . Is it powerfull enough to transcode using SOX or LAME faad etc ,fyi I've actually found lame to be the greater CPU hog . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Echoing JackOfAll's comments - very impressed by processing capablity of the wandboard dual lite - its been running for 12 hours on Clive's first image streaming to my usb dac for most of that time whilst I've been doing many other things with it at the same time. Its performing as a low powered desktop - I think its got good chance of running a server at reasonable speed as well as a UI and a playback application. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
I have been reading this thread since day one and have thought about commenting, but I wanted to see how things develop. Below are some of my thoughts on scope and features: I currently have a SB3, two SB radios, and a SB touch connected to my hi-fi system. The Touchs digital output (coax) is feed into my Rotel sound processor.I am happy with the sound quality.Since I already have various SB, I really do not need a replacement unless is solves a problem. My interest in a new box would be either or both of the following: 1) The DAC analog output is excellent as promised by John Swenson. (But I still want digital S/PDIF output in case I dont prefer it the Rotel DAC.) 2) It can run as a local server and fix the nightmare of trying running tiny LMS on the Touch I am interested in the Gen2 as I do not understand all this technical linux stuff. I dont see a big need for USB out or HTML, but I do see it as future proofing the box. (I am a little old school in the hardware department.) But does this need to be in a Gen 1 or Gen2 product? Would advances in technology make a current implementation of USB and HTML obsolete? As for formats, I am not particularly interested in high bit (24) or sample rates (192). There is a point of diminishing returns of improvement and, for me, it is not worth the cost nor the headache. I gave up on my high end CD player, which sounded better than the SB3, to gain the ability to call up any song in my inventory. I found music services like Pandora which increased my use of my hifi system and I listen to music more. The reason I bring this up is that it is clear that some really like to tinker with technology, and that is fine. But to build something that would interest more people, then think about what features will most people use and then execute it very well. Perhaps a poll on certain features is a next step to scope Gen1 and Gen2 features? P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
@Johnswenson Now you really caught my attention, this sounds nearly to good to be true. Very exciting indeed! Once it gets to Gen1 is it supposed to be a solder yourself product? Putting boards in a box and all is no problem, but I am sure there are many who would be frightened away if they had to start soldering. Really happy you guys are working on this - so maybe that Logitech killed the line was a good thing, if we get better products made by boardmembers - something that would have never happened otherwise. Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I control my VAMP from either my iPad or my PC. I have no need for a local display and I hadn't used the one on my now dead Squeezebox for a LONG time. :) dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: > Try "-o hw:CARD=DAC" That did the trick ! just for info : some new issues with latest "no-X" image : usb soundcard is not detected anymore. I quickly checked in the filesystem if anything obvious can explain it. dmesg jsut give Code: ALSA sound/usb/mixer.c:845 16:1: cannot get min/max values for control 2 (id 16) eLR!C's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19360 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: > The DAC chip I'm going to be using on these boards is a brand new one, I > have not used it before, so I can't be completely sure, but my gut > feeling on this is that it is going to be way better than what was in > the Touch. A big advantage of thisone is that it has a direct output, no > need for any other output stage, between the DAC chip and the output > jack is one resistor per channel, that's it. This does a lot towards > keeping the cost down. > > I have a $1200 DAC at home from a company known for very good sound at > reasonable cost, this new output is probably going to sound > significantly better. That is the level I am aiming at and I think it's > quite acahievable at a very low cost. > > Part of getting this quality is the programable DSP in the DAC chip, > by putting the proper filter in here you can get vastly better results > than other systems. I have proved this with other systems, that fairly > ho hum DAC chips and analog out stages with the right digital filter can > sound vastly better than very high end stuff with garden variety filter > used in almost all the DAC chips. And this implementation is NOT going > to be a "ho hum" implementation. I'm using very low jitter clocks, very > low noise voltage regulators, and unusual ground plane techniques to > keep the digital noise out of the analog domain. The final result when > it is all tweaked up should be pretty spectacular. > > This is what has me excited, the ability to do all this stuff and > integrate it into the system so it doesn't cost a fortune. > > I just did a quick and dirty cost estimate this morning, and with a > single core wandboard module, the wifi module I've talked about AND the > audiophile DAC and S/PDIF out we are looking at right around $200 for > the complete board cost, the only thing not included in that price is > the case, antenna and power supply. A dual core module will cost a > little more. > > The Gen0.5 boards will have a quick and dirty implementation of this > functionality, not nearly as good as Gen1, but enough so we can > hopefully get the software to talk to the DSP in the DAC chip so I can > start working on the filter design. > > So Triode and Jack, don't expect wonders out of the Gen0.5 board, it > should sound pretty good (I expect significantly better than a Touch) > but nowhere near what it will be when all said and done. > > John S. Wow, John. This IS exciting indeed! I'm sure there are many in the community that are as excited and are eager for you and friends to succeed in this endeavor. Best, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: > Nope, not even got to graphics yet. When I was looking at device nodes, > I noticed /dev/mxc_asrc and went off at a tangent looking at the kernel > code for the resampling hardware. I keep going off at a tangent... > It is an interesting device. This brings to mind a question I had, are there /sys or /proc interfaces for the various kernel modules for the different functions in the chip? In particular things like GPIO, SPI etc? If so this might make it a lot easier for programs to get to the control interfaces I need to have on the board. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
The DAC chip I'm going to be using on these boards is a brand new one, I have not used it before, so I can't be completely sure, but my gut feeling on this is that it is going to be way better than what was in the Touch. A big advantage of thisone is that it has a direct output, no need for any other output stage, between the DAC chip and the output jack is one resistor per channel, that's it. This does a lot towards keeping the cost down. I have a $1200 DAC at home from a company known for very good sound at reasonable cost, this new output is probably going to sound significantly better. That is the level I am aiming at and I think it's quite acahievable at a very low cost. Part of getting this quality is the programable DSP in the DAC chip, by putting the proper filter in here you can get vastly better results than other systems. I have proved this with other systems, that fairly ho hum DAC chips and analog out stages with the right digital filter can sound vastly better than very high end stuff with garden variety filter used in almost all the DAC chips. And this implementation is NOT going to be a "ho hum" implementation. I'm using very low jitter clocks, very low noise voltage regulators, and unusual ground plane techniques to keep the digital noise out of the analog domain. The final result when it is all tweaked up should be pretty spectacular. This is what has me excited, the ability to do all this stuff and integrate it into the system so it doesn't cost a fortune. I just did a quick and dirty cost estimate this morning, and with a single core wandboard module, the wifi module I've talked about AND the audiophile DAC and S/PDIF out we are looking at right around $200 for the complete board cost, the only thing not included in that price is the case, antenna and power supply. A dual core module will cost a little more. The Gen0.5 boards will have a quick and dirty implementation of this functionality, not nearly as good as Gen1, but enough so we can hopefully get the software to talk to the DSP in the DAC chip so I can start working on the filter design. So Triode and Jack, don't expect wonders out of the Gen0.5 board, it should sound pretty good (I expect significantly better than a Touch) but nowhere near what it will be when all said and done. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: > Adrian, I've gzipped the original Wandboard Ubuntu image (with a kernel > compiled to include USB audio), 'wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz' > (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz). > User: linaro. Password: linaro. (Root password is also linaro.) 2.6GB > image and doesn't compress (1GB) as well as the other. I'm not sure how > long this would take you to download. My internet connection is supposed > to have up to 10Mb up speed. (Whether it is capable of anything close to > that in the real world is another thing entirely. ;) It might take a > little longer than before to get DHCP address assigned. It's pretty > heavily loaded for the first minute or so after boot due to the startup > of the desktop components. Thanks - will try to see if this gives me access to the video output. Some details of what I've been looking at. It's currently a functional desktop squeezeplay derivative called "jivelite": - based on squeezeplay code - audio removed - most applets removed unless they allow us to control the player - switched from lua to luajit as this give us more options in future [needed to change syntax in a few places due to some additions to lua used in the squeezeplay code] - currently running touch skin and behaves just like touch, but I think we should be able to add a new skin which works with a larger screen area There's lots more todo as I've cut out quite large chunks and there's still code in there for squeezenetwork which we should remove. I think we really need a new menu code which supports larger screens and hence has multiple menu entries per line. Its working on my desktop machine as an X output using ubuntu's sdl library - I'd expect this to also work on the wandboard, but really want to try to access the display without X from sdl direct. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
JackOfAll wrote: > LOL. I wouldn't let me have any say in it! Unless you really want to > risk ending up with a product called, Plastic Box Which Plays Noises? ;) Aluminium i hope ;) Why not astronomical objects , it is tried and tested Sirius ,Spica ,Arcturus and probably many more , Cygnus, Quasar . Find some other cool object to name the player after ? Maybe not reuse Cygnus "Cygnus audio the black hole for your money" Greek letters also tried before Alpha ,Aleph ,Beta , Theta Ohm (Omicron sign) Sigma and some more why not another one ? A hint to open source background . there are some suggestions around that alreay is in the tread ? freestreamer(player) indy(ie)player . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Adrian, I've gzipped the original Wandboard Ubuntu image (with a kernel compiled to include USB audio), 'wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz' (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz). User: linaro. Password: linaro. (Root password is also linaro.) 2.6GB image and doesn't compress (1GB) as well as the other. I'm not sure how long this would take you to download. My internet connection is supposed to have up to 10Mb up speed. (Whether it is capable of anything close to that in the real world is another thing entirely. ;) It might take a little longer than before to get DHCP address assigned. It's pretty heavily loaded for the first minute or so after boot due to the startup of the desktop components. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Mnyb wrote: > What I'm actually for is to let John, Clive and, Adrian decide LOL. I wouldn't let me have any say in it! Unless you really want to risk ending up with a product called, Plastic Box Which Plays Noises? ;) JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
erland wrote: > Do you have any feeling how the analogue out from a Touch does in > comparison to the DAC's in typical standalone amplifiers/receivers > (which costs about $300-400) ? Is the Touch better or does > amplifiers/receivers for about $300-$400 have decent DAC's built-in ? Please don't take this the wrong way, and I'm not trying to be snobby or evasive, but I don't have any experience of low or middle end amplifiers or receivers with built-in DAC's, so it is impossible for me to say. I'm a little "out there" with my audiophool views and tastes, so I'm far from the average person that such a device with on-board audio would appeal to. I suspect that if you connected it up to a pair of computer speakers, (that would typically be connected to a computer), it wouldn't sound any better or worse than the usual motherboard included audio, but as a standalone DAC, if the selling point was that it had one, you'd do better with just about any USB DAC you could pick up on eBay for less than £50. erland wrote: > In my previous post I was referring to the DAC on the daughter board > John is about to design, I understand that the default DAC on the > wandboard isn't optimal but I expect John's to be a lot better. Yes, so would I. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: > Great - I was going to ask for something that had a framebuffer sdl > could write to the hdmi port on (last image has some of the graphics > subsystem but not enough to open a something on the hdmi port - any > suggestions?) Nope, not even got to graphics yet. When I was looking at device nodes, I noticed /dev/mxc_asrc and went off at a tangent looking at the kernel code for the resampling hardware. I keep going off at a tangent... It is an interesting device. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: > Well, I actually did a back to back with the analogue out from a Touch. > To put it politely, let's say that the Touch punches above it weight and > can hold its own in much more expensive company, while the default > Wandboard analogue out is closer to FM radio quality. I think that's a > fair comment. There was no doubt in my mind that I was listening to > "cheap". > Do you have any feeling how the analogue out from a Touch does in comparison to the DAC's in typical standalone amplifiers/receivers (which costs about $300-400) ? Is the Touch better or does amplifiers/receivers for about $300-$400 have decent DAC's built-in ? In my previous post I was referring to the DAC on the daughter board John is about to design, I understand that the default DAC on the wandboard isn't optimal but I expect John's to be a lot better. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
erland wrote: > If the built-in DAC has lower quality than the one built into the > typical low/middle-end standalone amplifier/receiver, I can agree that > it's pointless, but if it's better than the DAC's built into most > middle-end amplifiers/receivers it's definitely worth to have one in the > box. Well, I actually did a back to back with the analogue out from a Touch. To put it politely, let's say that the Touch punches above it weight and can hold its own in much more expensive company, while the default Wandboard analogue out is closer to FM radio quality. I think that's a fair comment. There was no doubt in my mind that I was listening to "cheap". JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: > Great - I was going to ask for something that had a framebuffer sdl > could write to the hdmi port on (last image has some of the graphics > subsystem but not enough to open a something on the hdmi port - any > suggestions?) Do you want me to gzip my original Wandboard ubuntu image that has the full desktop X server environment? I have that working with a self-compiled kernel that includes USB audio driver. I'll gzip it and post a URL. Triode wrote: > I quite like this dual core cpu, its got enough power to do things with > it while playing audio.. I think a server on the same device would be > quite viable... More than viable.. Shhh. It's just a music player. I'm already dreaming about a quad core version. ;) JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Pascal Hibon wrote: > I think that most users here are using an external DAC with their > Squeezeboxes any way. > If you by "here" mean people in the audiophile section of the forum I'm sure you are right, but if you by "here" mean this community I'm 99% sure you are wrong, independent if you like it or not a lot of people connect their Squeezeboxes using the analogue outputs and don't even own an external DAC except for the one built into their amplifier in the main listening room. If the built-in DAC has lower quality than the one built into the typical low/middle-end standalone amplifier/receiver, I can agree that it's pointless, but if it's better than the DAC's built into most middle-end amplifiers/receivers it's definitely worth to have one in the box. Also, as I've understood it from John, people who don't like the DAC can just get an add-on board optimized for digital outputs instead of the one with built-in DAC's. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: > Guys, > > I made a new image, 'wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz' > (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz), > to fix a couple of issues. > > 1. I doubt I will have time to look at this until the weekend and while > I know how it is supposed to work in a traditional initramfs, tempfs and > udev setup, don't know how it is supposed to work using uboot without an > initramfs. Basically prior to the mount of the rootfs the platform > specific device nodes are not being created. It's fine when the rootfs > is mounted, udev will create the /dev entries from that point onwards. > So anyway, I tar'd the /dev from the original wandboard image (after > boot) and untar'd to my image. So now the nodes are there for the > default on board sound devices. (Previously squeezelite -l wouldn't have > shown the 3 default on-board devices and you wouldn't have been able to > use them.) > > 2. Added the udev imx specific config. (/etc/udev/rules.d/10-imx.rules) > > 3. Added RT and memory locking for the audio group, which the ubuntu > user does belong to. (/etc/security/limits.d/99-audio.conf) > > 4. Recompiled brcm_patchram_plus, the Broadcom bluetooth firmware > loader. (Although it was statically compiled sf, it wouldn't run on > hf.) > > 5. Added the cmd line to /etc/rc.local to load the bluetooth firmware > and init the device. (Currently commented out with a #.) > > > Code: > > > # /usr/local/sbin/brcm_patchram_plus --timeout=6.0 --patchram /lib/firmware/brcm/bcm4329.hcd --baudrate 921600 --use_baudrate_for_download /dev/ttymxc2 && hciattach /dev/ttymxc2 any 921600 & > > > > > 6. wlan0 should be there now as well if you iwconfig. (It wasn't > before.) > > NB. Only potential issue is that it doesn't always cleanly reboot. > After sudo reboot (or shutdown -r now) you might need to hit the reset > button on the board to get it to boot again. Not sure if this was > always the case, or something I have introduced. I will look into this > when I get a chance. Great - I was going to ask for something that had a framebuffer sdl could write to the hdmi port on (last image has some of the graphics subsystem but not enough to open a something on the hdmi port - any suggestions?) I quite like this dual core cpu, its got enough power to do things with it while playing audio.. I think a server on the same device would be quite viable... Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Guys, I made a new image, 'wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz' (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz), to fix a couple of issues. 1. I doubt I will have time to look at this until the weekend and while I know how it is supposed to work in a traditional initramfs, tempfs and udev setup, don't know how it is supposed to work using uboot without an initramfs. Basically prior to the mount of the rootfs the platform specific device nodes are not being created. It's fine when the rootfs is mounted, udev will create the /dev entries from that point onwards. So anyway, I tar'd the /dev from the original wandboard image (after boot) and untar'd to my image. So now the nodes are there for the default on board sound devices. (Previously squeezelite -l wouldn't have shown the devices and you wouldn't have been able to use them.) 2. Added the udev imx specific config. (/etc/udev/rules.d/10-imx.rules) 3. Added RT and memory locking for the audio group, which the ubuntu user does belong to. (/etc/security/limits.d/99-audio.conf) 4. Recompiled brcm_patchram_plus, the broadcom bluetooth firmware loader. (Although it was statically compiled sf, it wouldn't run on hf.) 5. Added the cmd line to /etc/rc.local to load the bluetooth firmware and init the device. (Currently commented out with a #.) Code: # /usr/local/sbin/brcm_patchram_plus --timeout=6.0 --patchram /lib/firmware/brcm/bcm4329.hcd --baudrate 921600 --use_baudrate_for_download /dev/ttymxc2 && hciattach /dev/ttymxc2 any 921600 & 6. wlan0 should be there now as well if you iwlist. (It wasn't before.) NB. Only potential issue is that it doesn't always cleanly reboot. After sudo reboot (or shutdown -r now) you might need to hit the reset button on the board to get it to boot again. I will look into this when I get a chance. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
sbp wrote: > I have been following this thread with interest. I don't know if you are > familiar with the microcore linux, but maybe you should consider it for > the basis of the new player. I had a quick look at it a couple of days ago and came to the conclusion that whilst it might be ideal as a runtime distribution, it was a little lacking while in the development phase. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: > So UAC1 works too with wandboard and your image Clive, but needs an > external hub as we suspected. Not really a surpise about needing the external hub. I think that is probably always going to be the case with any of these SoC implementations. Triode wrote: > I've tested with my MDAC which usefully has a buffer fill indicator on > it so you can see when the feedback is working correctly. It needs a > slightly larger than default alsa buffer with squeezelite, but once it > is set larger is rock sold. Great. That's pretty much mirrors what I found. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: > Have you seen my posts earlier in the thread on wifi? Nope, I'll look back through the thread. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
CharlieG wrote: > +1 > This was also brought up before. Should it be on the list? I actually came up with Phoenix, back on the community funded squeezebox thread, along with Open Music Box, which did make the list. As has been mentioned before, I recommend you stay away from squeeze or slim variants. I am sure Logitech owns those trademarks and will take steps to protect their property. It is not worth the hassle. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
simbo wrote: > Yeah probably.. I'll add it to the next round, along with Harmonic. :) Thanks! dustinsterk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19649 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Mnyb wrote: > What I'm actually for is to let John, Clive and, Adrian decide dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box chill wrote: > Best news I've heard today :) S'funny this emphasis on Community especially in these libertarian neo-con times How about something more classical to emphasise the 'commune' aspect ? eg: δῆμος Demos castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box pippin wrote: > Vuvuzela is trademarked at least in Germany. Best news I've heard today :) chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: > Understood. Well not really about no smartphone - ha! ;) > > I thought that wand board project doesn't have a display/interface, > either? At least initially. I haven't been following the custom hardware solution being dreamt up in the other thread so I don't know their current plans (are they calling it a wand board now?). I know the early discussions had people lobbying for a display and IR interface but if they've done away with those then it strikes me as a bit more pointless. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
CharlieG wrote: > +1 > This was also brought up before. Should it be on the list? Yeah probably.. I'll add it to the next round, along with Harmonic. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community Radio & Audio Player is included ... OK, only if Synchronised HiFi Integrated Transporter is there too. Oh well... :-) -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community Radio & Audio Player is included ... C.R.A.P.? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box castalla wrote: > If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community > Radio & Audio Player is included ... OK, only if Synchronised HiFi Integrated Transporter is there too. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box simbo wrote: > The forum's voting tool only allows a maximum of 10 entries. I > originally thought those with +1s could be shortlisted, but there are > even more than 10 of those, which I why I went with +2 or more. > The other issue is that more names are coming out of the woodwork > daily... and there are plenty of people who don't like any of them :-) > > > To be honest that was kind of my reason for bringing this to a head by > using this poll... ;-) If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community Radio & Audio Player is included ... castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] No competition for Sonos! :-(
reniera wrote: > try deinstalling trackstat It's not installed. Thanks. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97440 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Pascal Hibon wrote: > I believe that this device should focus on the transport side of things. > This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells > and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality > DACs out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC > with their Squeezeboxes any way. My request for a balanced output was influenced by my current setup, which is a Transporter driving active speakers with balanced inputs. On reflection I think you are right - this project should concentrate on delivering a good transport with a serviceable analogue output, so as to keep the costs down. People who want something a bit more high-end (myself included) can buy an external DAC. So I therefore withdraw my request for a balanced output (unless it can be done really easily at low cost). cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Hi, Not sure if it is of interest here, but we are a small UK startup looking to a release an audiophile computer based server/transport (not a pc in an off the shelf case) later this year and have just started work on developing an 'extender' device. It's a transport only device (we may partner with KEF to bundle with the x300A speaker system, but it will available standalone) but does currently have a 'squeezebox mode' where it can connect to LMS and operate much like the kit we know and love. It is however, still early days on this one. It's currently a messy looking board, even if one of our techs does have two running in his house already. (Triode - we may be in touch as I believe we are using a modified version of your squeezelite code for this) Don't expect too much news for now - we're currently working hard to get the server unit out into the market and the extender is very much a side project for now, but it does exist. mintaudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59106 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
azinck3 wrote: > There are 2 big areas in which the VAMP is lacking for me: > - No display > - No control interface at the device > > Those are pretty much deal-killers for me. I use my SBs as > weather-centers and bedside radios as much as anything. I also don't > have a smartphone (yes, there are still some of us out there!). > > That said, I'm not really in the "let's design and build our own > hardware camp". Nothing against those guys, I'm just skeptical. For now > I'll just keep buying used SBs and might build a VAMP if I want a > headless SB. Understood. Well not really about no smartphone - ha! ;) I thought that wand board project doesn't have a display/interface, either? At least initially. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
What I'm actually for is to let John, Clive and, Adrian decide Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Squeezed_Rotel wrote: > Phoenix: "a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its > predecessor" +1 This was also brought up before. Should it be on the list? CharlieG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: > Kernel compile shenanigans over, I don't give praise lightly, but need > to say this. > > From the perspective of UAC2, *the Wandboard is a fantastic piece of > kit*. > > I'm sitting here, streaming at 384k via the USB port, while running a > continuous squeezelite compile in a tight loop, (while (true); do make > -j3 clean && make -j3; done). At close to 100% CPU, no XRUN's, no > clicks, pops, drops, artifacts... Sure, it's a PREMPT kernel and the > squeezelite output thread is running at PRI 46. The alsa buffer needs > increasing a little once we go over 192k, ( -a 40::: ), but that's it. > Perfect! > > I have a UAC1 device on the way for testing. > > Has everyone else who has ordered a Wandboard so far gone for the dual > core model? Anyone ordered the single proc / 512MB? If not, I'll order > one so I have both for testing purposes. So UAC1 works too with wandboard and your image Clive, but needs an external hub as we suspected. I've tested with my MDAC which usefully has a buffer fill indicator on it so you can see when the feedback is working correctly. It needs a slightly larger than default alsa buffer with squeezelite, but once it is set larger is rock sold. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
eLR!C wrote: > Thanks and BTW, I just had a 2 GB microSD on which this image fitted > perfecly (just received my wandboard today). Not much tests tonight > except booting and checking 1 or 2 things (apache already installed :)) > I encounter a strange error with squeezelite I need to investigate (as > many of us, not much time before the weekend) > > > Code: > > > ubuntu@wandboard:~/squeezelite-1.0$ ./squeezelite -l > Output devices: > null - Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) > default:CARD=DAC - HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio Device > sysdefault:CARD=DAC- HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio Device > > > > ./squeezelite -o default:CARD=DAC > ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:1118:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_poll_fd) unable to open timer 'hw:CLASS=3,SCLASS=0,CARD=2,DEV=0,SUBDEV=0' > ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1095:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize poll_fd > [16:13:16.880783] test_open:152 playback open error: No such file or directory > [16:13:16.882064] output_init:1350 unable to open output device > > > > > Thanks again, at least the image is providing a good / clean start for > further investigations Try "-o hw:CARD=DAC" Although that's the output -l give, it is best to open the hardware direct. [I get the same for my dac with this image. but hw:CARD=X works] Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box lrossouw wrote: > My suggestion would be: > 1. Go back to the full list of nominations and running a very large poll > listing all of them perhaps with multiple (say 5) votes allowed? > 2. Remove half the choices with the lowest/no votes. > 2. Repeat with the reduced list once or twice until you have 5 options > left. > Then do a final one vote per member round. The forum's voting tool only allows a maximum of 10 entries. I originally thought those with +1s could be shortlisted, but there are even more than 10 of those, which I why I went with +2 or more. The other issue is that more names are coming out of the woodwork daily... and there are plenty of people who don't like any of them :-) lrossouw wrote: > I think the vetting process seems to have not worked. To be honest that was kind of my reason for bringing this to a head by using this poll... ;-) simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Breezebox. blackbear's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7015 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box Don't really like any of them but lacking better ideas, I'd go for the Open Music Box. Vuvuzela is trademarked at least in Germany. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box I quite like Whole Audio as a company name and Whole Audio Player, Whole Audio Server etc. The only bit I don't like is Hole. and that there's probably someone called Whole Audio already. ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Flakk made me thing of Flap: Free lossless audio player :) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: > It's relative to not choosing a ridiculous name which can provoke > tasteless comments! Well, of the other ones on the current voting list, FLÄKK is a homophone of (sounds the same as) "fläck" - "stain" in Swedish... Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box simbo wrote: > OK, how about this: We'll pit the top 1 or 2 from this poll against the > default "Community Funded Squeezebox (CFS)" in the next round? "Community Funded Squeezebox" ranks up there with the rest of them IMO. By all means add it to the poll with the 'top' 2 from Round 1, but can we also have a 'None of the above" in round 2? If "None of the above" gets more votes than the others, that tells us a lot about how popular the others are (I always thought X Factor and its ilk could have done with a 'Vote against' option). chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box Hi I think the vetting process seems to have not worked. We need a way of truly coming up with the 5 best. My suggestion would be: 1. Go back to the full list of nominations and running a very large poll listing all of them perhaps with multiple (say 5) votes allowed? 2. Remove half the choices with the lowest/no votes. 2. Repeat with the reduced list once or twice until you have 5 options left. Then do a final one vote per member round. Regards Louis lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll already answered to the question about the quality of the onboard chip > From an onboard audio perspective, just about anything is going to beat > the default sgtl5000 audio implementation on the carrier board. Truly > terrible! And about what I've understood from John posts, having a quality onboard DAC does not mean a huge price increase (BTW, it is already included in the price estimates in the first posts) and does not prevent you from using your DAC Last, if you absolutely don't want a DAC, you might be able to use a standard wandboard as a transport with little efforts I am personnaly very interested in a platform "ready to use in your stereo" which can also evolve in the future in various formats such as boom-like and so on. eLR!C's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19360 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Pascal Hibon wrote: > I believe that this device should focus on the transport side of things. > This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells > and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality > DACs out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC > with their Squeezeboxes any way. Squeezemenicely wrote: > Absolutely agree. Adding high quality DaC to the device would only > increase the price and users interested in high quality sound have a DAC > anyway, since they always used one with their SBs. > So, good analogue out plus SPDIF and USB to connect a DAC to make things > sound better, should be enough. > > > Since the Wandboard already has SPDIF out, would that already be ok? Or > too much jitter? No idea if there is different quality in SPDIF out - > but sure there are people here who could explain. > > > What is the inbuilt analogue out on the Wandboard like? Good enough? I think there was a modular aproach being discussed Wandbord + something ,that something could be Analog boards of all kinds of quality and "Good analogue" can very close to the best anyway :) Re balanced of course a line driver circuit could be used , i think John imidietly thougth of the typical high end aproach with dual balanced DAC's , but for long run's of cable to active speakers even a balanced oine driver would be a benefit . Anyhow a new feature request . Built in attenuators with dip switches/jumpers like the transporter but on both unbalanced and balanced . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
dustinsterk wrote: > I like the poll but feel that "Harmonic" should still be on the list. > It did have a +3. :) I liked "Harmonic" too, but I thought it was too close to "Harmonix" and nobody screamed at me to add it back to the list. If I could add it to the poll now, I would... simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box Pascal Hibon wrote: > I agree with the majority here ; I dont like any of the proposed names > (although I voted on one). > Why dont we keep Community Funded Squeezebox or CFS for now? Like I > wrote earlier, if this is a community effort, and not an official > company, then we can continue to use the name Squeezebox. > It clearly indicates that none of us are marketing people :-) OK, how about this: We'll pit the top 1 or 2 from this poll against the default "Community Funded Squeezebox (CFS)" in the next round? This would be a good vote-of-no-confidence for the chosen name from this round. Y'know, I only dragged this naming thing into a new thread to avoid clogging up the technical discussions in the main thread, but I seem to have become rather attached to it ;) simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Pascal Hibon wrote: > This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells > and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality > DACs out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC > with their Squeezeboxes any way. Absolutely agree. Adding high quality DaC to the device would only increase the price and users interested in high quality sound have a DAC anyway, since they always used one with their SBs. So, good analogue out plus SPDIF and USB to connect a DAC to make things sound better, should be enough. Since the Wandboard already has SPDIF out, would that already be ok? Or too much jitter? No idea if there is different quality in SPDIF out - but sure there are people here who could explain. What is the inbuilt analogue out on the Wandboard like? Good enough? Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box simbo wrote: > I thought about adding that (unfortunately it won't let me now) but to > be honest it's a bit of a given - if the general populace don't like the > name that comes out top, people won't use it. > > What this whole thing has shown is that choosing a decent name for any > new device is hard, especially when the contributors are all musos and > geeks. > > Personally, I think people are taking this far too seriously. If we come > up with a name we can use until somebody (with real talent) comes up > with a better one, it has to be easier than calling it "Community Funded > Squeezebox". I agree with the majority here ; I dont like any of the proposed names (although I voted on one). Why dont we keep Community Funded Squeezebox or CFS for now? Like I wrote earlier, if this is a community effort, and not an official company, then we can continue to use the name Squeezebox. It clearly indicates that none of us are marketing people :-) Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box ModelCitizen wrote: > Oh dear. I think all of them are hideous. > > Please add a "Let's think again" option. I thought about adding that (unfortunately it won't let me now) but to be honest it's a bit of a given - if the general populace don't like the name that comes out top, people won't use it. What this whole thing has shown is that choosing a decent name for any new device is hard, especially when the contributors are all musos and geeks. Personally, I think people are taking this far too seriously. If we come up with a name we can use until somebody (with real talent) comes up with a better one, it has to be easier than calling it "Community Funded Squeezebox". simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box ModelCitizen wrote: > Oh dear. I think all of them are hideous. > > Please add a "Let's think again" option. +1. All these names are dreadful. I personally think any name should include the word "squeeze". cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
I believe that this device should focus on the transport side of things. This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality DACs out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC with their Squeezeboxes any way. Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: > In order to do balanced will take more than one DAC chip. That brings up > how this is to be done. If I use two chips, and have them feed the XLR, > do I run one of them to the RCAs in parallel, or have three DAC chips, > one for RCA and two for balanced. You're the electronics expert, so feel free to shoot down these comments... 1. Aren't some DAC chips intrinsically balanced (eg. the one used in the Transporter)? 2. If you've already chosen your preferred DAC chip and it isn't balanced, how well would a pair of them be matched? Would a dedicated balanced line driver (eg. AD SSM2142, TI DRV134, THAT 1646) be more likely to deliver an accurate signal? 3. One possible advantage of using a pair of DAC chips is that in single-ended use you could sum their outputs to achieve a reduction in noise. (This technique has been used by Accuphase, and no doubt by other manufacturers too). cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box Oh dear. I think all of them are hideous. ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box I still believe we should consider Squeezebox and Slimdevices if this new player wont be sold through an official company. If this is a DIY player then Logitech cant stop us from calling it whatever we like. Using the Squeezebox or Slimdevices name would in that case be a tribute to the Sean and Dean who started our journey into the Squeezebox world. Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box Must I would choose any of them, sorry. CW Chunkywizard's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss