Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread chill

JohnSwenson wrote: 
> I have a $1200 DAC at home from a company known for very good sound at
> reasonable cost, this new output is probably going to sound
> significantly better. That is the level I am aiming at and I think it's
> quite acahievable at a very low cost.

John, a couple of feature enquiries:

- do you think that a future option for Gen1 might be an add on board
that allows external digital inputs to this DAC, so we can treat this
player as our system DAC as well?
- will the chip's programmable DSP allow us to implement some kind of
tone control/graphic equaliser and maybe even a full blown room
correction filter?



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Re: [slim] Noticed small difference between radio and touch

2013-02-20 Thread lrossouw

On the radio\touch go to the settings menu.  You can change all this to
be exactly as you want it.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread w3wilkes

As I'm sure is true with others here, I've stayed pretty quiet just
watching this thread develop. It is pretty exiting to me. I would want
this device to be no more than just a high quality player. I've been
pretty happy with my Duet controllers and receivers and if I had the
ability to replace a Duet receiver with a higher quality unit it would
be very tempting on my main stereo. I had bought into the server client
type platform back with the Soundblaster Wireless Music system back in
late 2003 (very similar to the Duet). I was able to keep mine running
through Vista 32bit, but it was a nogo when I went to a 64 bit OS. Just
so happened that close to the time I went 64 bit on my music server I
found the Duet which was almost like the same thing only the display on
the remote was graphic rather than text.

Hopefully this part won't be too controversial. If you give us a DAC
better than the Touch I'd see that as a GREAT upgrade, as I use the
analog out on my receivers since that's what I need for my old Kenwood
(feeds ADS L-810 speakers) and Pioneer (feeds some home built speakers).
I quit playing the "audiophile" game over 30 years ago. The kids still
like to come over and listen to this old school gear. Once I got my
stereos so I liked the sound my changes were adding the newer
transports. Went through 2 turntables (Went from home built with this
tonearm;
http://soundup.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3020%3Aempire-16-pro-transcription-turntable-tonearm-ae-98p&catid=20%3Atonearms&Itemid=92
to a Micro Seiki with a Ortofon cartridge), some different cassette
decks (finally settled on a JVC that sounded as good as the Nakamachi
Dragon to me) and finally a couple of CD players (the reason for the
change was the first one broke). Since you're already going to give all
flavors of digital out it should keep the new wave "audiophiles" happy,
give us old timers the "cheap" built in DAC. After all, bits is bits. My
own personal belief system is that bits only come in two flavors, you
don't get "strong, weak, loud, quiet, harsh, hard or soft" bits, there
either 1's or 0's, nothing more or less.

With that said I'm voting with Erland as one of the 99%'ers. Yes, I read
the "audiophile" section of these forums and must say that I do get the
occasional good laugh from some of the stuff I read over there.



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2013-02-20 Thread iceman2321

Hi, new orangesqeeze user here.  I've just setup a house with LMS and
orangesqueeze.  I notice in the forum that a few people mentioned being
able download tracks.  Is this currently in the app and I just did not
see it?  Secondly would it be possible to do now or even in the future,
to be able to select multiple (like selecting multiple photos in the
gallery) to download to the device?

Thanks in advance!



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[slim] Transporter SE: Not Playing All Songs In Playlists

2013-02-20 Thread KCJay

I have kind of a strange problem with my Transporter.  I just got it a
couple of weeks ago and love it.  I have been using Squeeze devices for
several years, but have never seen this particular problem (I did search
the forums but couldn't find anything).  I normally play my songs from a
playlist that I create with MediaMonkey, then save the playlists to my
playlist folder.  Lately, I noticed that many songs on various playlists
do not play - they don't even show up in the Media Server playlist view.
I was using a Touch before buying the transporter.  Here is some
technical info:

LMS 7.7.2
HP Laptop running windows Vista
Transporter running wirelessly
Firmware 87
USB 2.0 Probox with 4 hard drives
Using MediaMonkey for creating/changing playlists
All files are .flac
Most files are 44.1, but some files (only a small percentage so far) are
88.2 or 96Khz.  
My main music folder is on the laptop's hard drive and called "My Music
1".  The folders on the USB drives are named in the same fashion, i.e.
"My Music 2", etc.  
Shortcuts to each USB drive are in the My Music 1 folder.
The "missing" songs seem to be on one of the USB drives (My Music 4),
but most of the files play fine.
I am not using shuffle - first thing I checked.
The "missing" songs play just fine through MediaMonkey and all of the
tags, etc. seem to be fine.  There doesn't seem to be any difference
between the files that do play and the ones that do not.
I have tried rescanning playlists and clearing the library and
rescanning everything.
Any suggestions?  I assume the problem is something fairly simple, but
it's a real mystery to me so far.



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Re: [slim] Noticed small difference between radio and touch

2013-02-20 Thread m1abrams

These are all things you can configure.



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[slim] Noticed small difference between radio and touch

2013-02-20 Thread bengaldave

Hello,

I just noticed that if I hit the now playing button on the infared
remote, I can cycle through 5 screens, if I do the same on the radio it
cycles through only 2 screens.

The VU meter is available on the radio, correct? so shouldn't it also be
one of the screens that get cycled when repeatedly pushing on the now
playing screen?

Same with the frequency screen, why does it not show on the radio?



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Mnyb

You need to handle replay gain on all outputs including the digital ones
,but maybe squeezelite already has that covered .



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JohnSwenson

Another thing  to think about is volume control. Currently we are
looking at 5 possible outputs, USB, S/PDIF coax, S/PDIF optical, line
level analog and headphone. There are going to be three dirvers
involved, USB, S/PDIF and analog. I'm not sure whether we are planning
on having these running at the same time or not, but at least
theoretically it's possible to have  different volume on different
streams. In addition the DAC has a digitalvolume control and the
headphone amp has an analog volume  control (digitally controled), so we
have a number of possible ways the "squeezebox volume" can be routed. 

For example a full volume stream can be sent to S/PDIF and analog and
the SB volume sent to the DAC chip, in which case both the line out and
headphone will track the volume and the S/PDIF stays at full  level. Or
the full level stream can be sent to the DAC, which has no attenuation
and the SB volume gets sent to the headphone out.  

Triode is going to have to let us know whether Squeezelite can handle
output to more than one driver, and  if so can they have different
volumes. In the Touch there was one stream sent to ALSA, an ALSA config
was used to clone the stream to two devices, this could certainly be
used in our  system  as well. 

With the hardware volume control in both the DAC chip and headphone amp
there is a fair amount of flexibility here. 

We have to determine whether we different outputs at the same time, and
if so do we want different volumes for them, and to what level we want 
to be  able to  address that.


Just some food for thought.

John S.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JohnSwenson

Squeezemenicely wrote: 
> @Johnswenson
> 
> Now you really caught my attention, this sounds nearly to good to be
> true.
> 
> Very exciting indeed!
> 
> Once it gets to Gen2 is it supposed to be a solder yourself product? 
> Putting boards in a box and all is no problem, but I am sure there are
> many who would be frightened away if they had to start soldering.
> 
> Really happy you guys are working on this - so maybe that Logitech
> killed the line was a good thing, if we get better products made by
> boardmembers - something that would have never happened otherwise.

No version will need soldering. All the connectors will be on the
boards. Gen 0.5 and Gen1 will be a board I'm designing, the user will be
required to come up with a wandboard module (currently the only way to
do that is buy the whole wandboard package), unscrew 4 screws and pop
out the module and install it on our carrier board. If using the
external wifi module you will need to buy it separately as well and pop
it into the  carrier board. This whole assembly can be mounted in a box
if desired. So at least through Gen1 it will be getting 2 or 3 boards
from different sources and plugging them together. I am presuming that
as Gen1 progresses that at least one case design will become available.


I am envisioning Gen 2 to be a fully assembled ready to go product in
the box etc.  This is an aspect we are going to have to look into, that
will take some assembly. The board houses I work with will provide fully
assembled boards, but they do not  do final assembly. If we are going to
provide a packaged product we need to come up with some final
assembler.

So Gen1 is "some assembly required", Gen2 is plug and play. 

As far as software goes, Gen1 is going to be: "grab an image file off
the net, copy it onto an SD card and put that in the module", it's
probably going to be doing a lot of that during the development phase.
Gen2 should be able to come out of the box with the SD card already
programed. One of the things we will have to work out in the development
phase is how updates will be done, whether you program a card on some
other computer and plug it in, or whether you plug in a USB flash stick
and software in the box copies it to the local card, or something else.


John S.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread P Nelson

erland wrote: 
> Do you want a server in the box because you want an USB drive directly
> attached to the box or do you want a server in the box because the
> current player software can't work without a separate server towards the
> music on your NAS ?
> 
> Basically, would it be of interest even without a server as long as it
> could play music directly from a NAS without installing additional
> software on the NAS.
> 
> 
> Let's get to GEN0.5 and GEN1 first before starting to discuss too much
> about GEN2. If you want to discuss features of GEN2 and later, start a
> separate thread for that discussion. My guess would be that the target
> of GEN1 is probably maximum 100 audiophiles/DIY geeks in the community.

I may have used the term server incorrectly.  (My apologies, I am not a
DIY computer geek.)   I would like the functionality of the Touch, but
have it actually work. (I have been watching the Olive One very closely
as it will have a hard drive option.)  I like the ability to play music
on the Touch or other connected SB devices and not have to run my
computer.  I don’t want the hassle of setting up and maintaining a
separate NAS.   I do not need the additional transcoding ability of the
full LMS software, but if I do need it, then I can always fire-up the
computer.  
When the Touch actually works, my wife likes it because she does not
have to deal with turning on the computer and switching between MySB.com
and the local LMS.

No problem in deferring the scope of Gen2.  However, as a project
manager, I find it helpful to know what is the final objective.

I am really impressed by the technical knowledge and ability of people
on this forum.  Many thank yous to all the people that are spending
their time and money making this happen.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread erland

P Nelson wrote: 
> 
> 2) It can run as a local server and fix the nightmare of trying
> running tiny LMS on the Touch
> 
Do you want a server in the box because you want an USB drive directly
attached to the box or do you want a server in the box because the
current player software can't work without a separate server towards the
music on your NAS ?

Basically, would it be of interest even without a server as long as it
could play music directly from a NAS without installing additional
software on the NAS.

P Nelson wrote: 
> 
> But to build something that would interest more people, then think about
> what features will most people use and then execute it very well.
> Perhaps a poll on certain features is a next step to scope Gen1 and Gen2
> features? 
> 
Let's get to GEN0.5 and GEN1 first before starting to discuss too much
about GEN2. If you want to discuss features of GEN2 and later, start a
separate thread for that discussion. My guess would be that the target
of GEN1 is probably maximum 100 audiophiles/DIY geeks in the community.



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread DJanGo


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148

Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


reniera wrote: 
> don't like any of them. i suggest instead :
> 
> squeezeback
> 
> (it has almost zero match on google - that is important too)
> 

Hi,

just reminds me to a story like "wedding planning without a woman to
have"

Just remember - its all about open/not so opensource - i you decide to
build and sell Hardware (even if you just put things from others
together) you have to have some issues like guarantie, helpdesk/support
and so on and on - thats not quite simply (maybe the company would stay
in China something should be different)
No one who can build the hardware itself together would buy such a
prebuild thing.
Unless there are the benefits of a big discount if some buys 10.000
items at once.

So i think its a waste of time and a young schoolboydream nothing more.

Just think of the Manpower behind logitech and that even this manpower
cant build a "new" logitechmediaserver without using old names in the
source.
(if you run LMS under linux you know what i mean)

Did anyone ask the sharefolder, whats possible or not?

To make Manuals, Hardware compatibility lists maybe sometime a never
Version of LMS that are the goals to keep in mind.

Believe me if you wanna sell such things in Germany you have to get some
Certificates that "your" Hardware is in the range.

Cheers



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Triode

Mnyb wrote: 
> Wow that was unexpected I really did not expect that processor power :)
> cool to be proven completely wrong it is feasible to run the server on
> it, does it have SATA or are users supposed to attach an USB drive if
> they want to run the server on it ? Which begs the question how many USB
> ports or possibly esata if not the case going to be big enough to snuck
> in at least one drive on the inside .
> Is it powerfull enough to transcode using SOX or LAME faad etc ,fyi I've
> actually found lame to be the greater CPU hog .

Don't know about transcode as I was really thinking about local playback
as per Touch, but with enough power to make it work..  Time will tell.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Mnyb

Triode wrote: 
> Echoing JackOfAll's comments - very impressed by processing capablity of
> the wandboard dual lite - its been running for 12 hours on Clive's first
> image streaming to my usb dac for most of that time whilst I've been
> doing many other things with it at the same time.  Its performing as a
> low powered desktop - I think its got good chance of running a server at
> reasonable speed as well as a UI and a playback application.

Wow that was unexpected I really did not expect that processor power :)
cool to be proven completely wrong it is feasible to run the server on
it, does it have SATA or are users supposed to attach an USB drive if
they want to run the server on it ? Which begs the question how many USB
ports or possibly esata if not the case going to be big enough to snuck
in at least one drive on the inside .
Is it powerfull enough to transcode using SOX or LAME faad etc ,fyi I've
actually found lame to be the greater CPU hog .



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Triode

Echoing JackOfAll's comments - very impressed by processing capablity of
the wandboard dual lite - its been running for 12 hours on Clive's first
image streaming to my usb dac for most of that time whilst I've been
doing many other things with it at the same time.  Its performing as a
low powered desktop - I think its got good chance of running a server at
reasonable speed as well as a UI and a playback application.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread P Nelson

I have been reading this thread since day one and have thought about
commenting, but I wanted to see how things develop.  Below are some of
my thoughts on scope and features:

I currently have a SB3, two SB radios, and a SB touch connected to my
hi-fi system.  The Touch’s digital output (coax) is feed into my Rotel
sound processor.I am happy with the sound quality.Since I
already have various SB, I really do not need a replacement unless is
solves a problem.  My interest in a new box would be either or both of
the following:
1) The DAC analog output is excellent as promised by John Swenson. 
(But I still want digital S/PDIF output in case I don’t prefer it the
Rotel DAC.)
2) It can run as a local server and fix the nightmare of trying
running tiny LMS on the Touch

I am interested in the Gen2 as I do not understand all this technical
linux stuff.  
I don’t see a big need for USB out or HTML, but I do see it as future
proofing the box. (I am a little old school in the hardware department.)
But does this need to be in a Gen 1 or Gen2 product?   Would advances in
technology make a current implementation of USB and HTML obsolete?
As for formats, I am not particularly interested in high bit (24) or
sample rates (192).  There is a point of diminishing returns of
improvement and, for me, it is not worth the cost nor the headache.  

I gave up on my high end CD player, which sounded better than the SB3,
to gain the ability to call up any song in my inventory.   I found music
services like Pandora which increased my use of my hifi system and I
listen to music more.   The reason I bring this up is that it is clear
that some really like to tinker with technology, and that is fine.  But
to build something that would interest more people, then think about
what features will most people use and then execute it very well.  
Perhaps a poll on certain features is a next step to scope Gen1 and Gen2
features?



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Squeezemenicely

@Johnswenson

Now you really caught my attention, this sounds nearly to good to be
true.

Very exciting indeed!

Once it gets to Gen1 is it supposed to be a solder yourself product? 
Putting boards in a box and all is no problem, but I am sure there are
many who would be frightened away if they had to start soldering.

Really happy you guys are working on this - so maybe that Logitech
killed the line was a good thing, if we get better products made by
boardmembers - something that would have never happened otherwise.



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Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30

2013-02-20 Thread dyohn

I control my VAMP from either my iPad or my PC.  I have no need for a
local display and I hadn't used the one on my now dead Squeezebox for a
LONG time.  :)



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread eLR!C

Triode wrote: 
> Try "-o hw:CARD=DAC"
That did the trick !

just for info : some new issues with latest "no-X" image : usb soundcard
is not detected anymore. I quickly checked in the filesystem if anything
obvious can explain it. dmesg jsut give

Code:

 ALSA sound/usb/mixer.c:845 16:1: cannot get min/max values for control 2 
(id 16)




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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread guidof

JohnSwenson wrote: 
> The DAC chip I'm going to be using on these boards is a brand new one, I
> have not used it before, so I can't be completely sure, but my gut
> feeling on this is that it is going to be way better than what was in
> the Touch. A big advantage of thisone is that it has a direct output, no
> need for any other output stage, between the DAC chip and the output
> jack is one resistor per channel, that's it. This does a lot towards
> keeping the cost down. 
> 
> I have a $1200 DAC at home from a company known for very good sound at
> reasonable cost, this new output is probably going to sound
> significantly better. That is the level I am aiming at and I think it's
> quite acahievable at a very low cost.
> 
> Part of getting this quality is the programable DSP  in  the DAC chip,
> by putting the proper filter in here you can get vastly better results
> than other systems. I have proved this with other systems, that fairly
> ho hum DAC chips and analog out stages with the right digital filter can
> sound vastly better than very high end stuff with garden variety  filter
> used in almost all the DAC chips. And this  implementation is NOT going
> to be a "ho hum" implementation. I'm using very low jitter clocks, very
> low noise voltage regulators, and unusual ground plane techniques to
> keep the digital noise out of  the analog  domain. The final result when
> it is all tweaked up should be pretty spectacular. 
> 
> This is what has me excited, the ability to do all this stuff and
> integrate it into the system so it doesn't cost a fortune. 
> 
> I just did a quick and dirty cost estimate this morning, and with a
> single core wandboard module, the wifi module I've talked about AND the
> audiophile DAC and S/PDIF out we are looking at right around $200 for
> the complete board cost, the only thing not included in that price is
> the case, antenna and power supply. A dual core module will cost a
> little  more. 
> 
> The Gen0.5 boards will have a  quick  and dirty implementation of this
> functionality,  not nearly as good as Gen1, but enough so we can
> hopefully get the software to talk to the DSP in the DAC chip so I can
> start working on the filter design. 
> 
> So Triode and Jack, don't expect wonders out of the Gen0.5 board, it
> should sound pretty good (I expect significantly better than a Touch)
> but nowhere near what it will be when all said and done. 
> 
> John S.

Wow, John. This IS exciting indeed!

I'm sure there are many in the community that are as excited and are
eager for you and friends to succeed in this endeavor.

Best,

Guido F.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JohnSwenson

JackOfAll wrote: 
> Nope, not even got to graphics yet. When I was looking at device nodes,
> I noticed /dev/mxc_asrc and went off at a tangent looking at the kernel
> code for the resampling hardware. I keep going off at a tangent...
> It is an interesting device.

This brings to mind a question I had, are there /sys or /proc interfaces
for the various kernel modules for the different functions in the chip?
In particular things like GPIO, SPI etc? If so this might make it a lot
easier for programs to get to the  control interfaces  I need to have on
the board. 

John S.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JohnSwenson

The DAC chip I'm going to be using on these boards is a brand new one, I
have not used it before, so I can't be completely sure, but my gut
feeling on this is that it is going to be way better than what was in
the Touch. A big advantage of thisone is that it has a direct output, no
need for any other output stage, between the DAC chip and the output
jack is one resistor per channel, that's it. This does a lot towards
keeping the cost down. 

I have a $1200 DAC at home from a company known for very good sound at
reasonable cost, this new output is probably going to sound
significantly better. That is the level I am aiming at and I think it's
quite acahievable at a very low cost.

Part of getting this quality is the programable DSP  in  the DAC chip,
by putting the proper filter in here you can get vastly better results
than other systems. I have proved this with other systems, that fairly
ho hum DAC chips and analog out stages with the right digital filter can
sound vastly better than very high end stuff with garden variety  filter
used in almost all the DAC chips. And this  implementation is NOT going
to be a "ho hum" implementation. I'm using very low jitter clocks, very
low noise voltage regulators, and unusual ground plane techniques to
keep the digital noise out of  the analog  domain. The final result when
it is all tweaked up should be pretty spectacular. 

This is what has me excited, the ability to do all this stuff and
integrate it into the system so it doesn't cost a fortune. 

I just did a quick and dirty cost estimate this morning, and with a
single core wandboard module, the wifi module I've talked about AND the
audiophile DAC and S/PDIF out we are looking at right around $200 for
the complete board cost, the only thing not included in that price is
the case, antenna and power supply. A dual core module will cost a
little  more. 

The Gen0.5 boards will have a  quick  and dirty implementation of this
functionality,  not nearly as good as Gen1, but enough so we can
hopefully get the software to talk to the DSP in the DAC chip so I can
start working on the filter design. 

So Triode and Jack, don't expect wonders out of the Gen0.5 board, it
should sound pretty good (I expect significantly better than a Touch)
but nowhere near what it will be when all said and done. 

John S.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Triode

JackOfAll wrote: 
> Adrian, I've gzipped the original Wandboard Ubuntu image (with a kernel
> compiled to include USB audio), 'wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz'
> (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz).
> User: linaro. Password: linaro. (Root password is also linaro.) 2.6GB
> image and doesn't compress (1GB) as well as the other. I'm not sure how
> long this would take you to download. My internet connection is supposed
> to have up to 10Mb up speed. (Whether it is capable of anything close to
> that in the real world is another thing entirely. ;) It might take a
> little longer than before to get DHCP address assigned. It's pretty
> heavily loaded for the first minute or so after boot due to the startup
> of the desktop components.

Thanks - will try to see if this gives me access to the video output.

Some details of what I've been looking at.  It's currently a functional
desktop squeezeplay derivative called "jivelite":
- based on squeezeplay code
- audio removed
- most applets removed unless they allow us to control the player
- switched from lua to luajit as this give us more options in future
[needed to change syntax in a few places due to some additions to lua
used in the squeezeplay code]
- currently running touch skin and behaves just like touch, but I think
we should be able to add a new skin which works with a larger screen
area

There's lots more todo as I've cut out quite large chunks and there's
still code in there for squeezenetwork which we should remove.  I think
we really need a new menu code which supports larger screens and hence
has multiple menu entries per line.

Its working on my desktop machine as an X output using ubuntu's sdl
library - I'd expect this to also work on the wandboard, but really want
to try to access the display without X from sdl direct.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread Mnyb

JackOfAll wrote: 
> LOL. I wouldn't let me have any say in it! Unless you really want to
> risk ending up with a product called, Plastic Box Which Plays Noises? ;)

Aluminium i hope ;)


Why not astronomical objects , it is tried and tested Sirius ,Spica
,Arcturus and probably many more , Cygnus, Quasar . Find some other cool
object to name the player after ?

Maybe not reuse Cygnus "Cygnus audio the black hole for your money"

Greek letters also tried before Alpha ,Aleph ,Beta , Theta Ohm (Omicron
sign) Sigma and some more why not another one ?

A hint to open source background . there are some suggestions around
that alreay is in the tread ? freestreamer(player) indy(ie)player .



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

Adrian, I've gzipped the original Wandboard Ubuntu image (with a kernel
compiled to include USB audio), 'wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz'
(http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-ubuntu-20130220.img.gz).
User: linaro. Password: linaro. (Root password is also linaro.) 2.6GB
image and doesn't compress (1GB) as well as the other. I'm not sure how
long this would take you to download. My internet connection is supposed
to have up to 10Mb up speed. (Whether it is capable of anything close to
that in the real world is another thing entirely. ;) It might take a
little longer than before to get DHCP address assigned. It's pretty
heavily loaded for the first minute or so after boot due to the startup
of the desktop components.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

Mnyb wrote: 
> What I'm actually for is to let John, Clive and, Adrian decide

LOL. I wouldn't let me have any say in it! Unless you really want to
risk ending up with a product called, Plastic Box Which Plays Noises? ;)



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

erland wrote: 
> Do you have any feeling how the analogue out from a Touch does in
> comparison to the DAC's in typical standalone amplifiers/receivers
> (which costs about $300-400) ? Is the Touch better or does
> amplifiers/receivers for about $300-$400 have decent DAC's built-in ?

Please don't take this the wrong way, and I'm not trying to be snobby or
evasive, but I don't have any experience of low or middle end amplifiers
or receivers with built-in DAC's, so it is impossible for me to say. I'm
a little "out there" with my audiophool views and tastes, so I'm far
from the average person that such a device with on-board audio would
appeal to. I suspect that if you connected it up to a pair of computer
speakers, (that would typically be connected to a computer), it wouldn't
sound any better or worse than the usual motherboard included audio, but
as a standalone DAC, if the selling point was that it had one, you'd do
better with just about any USB DAC you could pick up on eBay for less
than £50.

erland wrote: 
> In my previous post I was referring to the DAC on the daughter board
> John is about to design, I understand that the default DAC on the
> wandboard isn't optimal but I expect John's to be a lot better.

Yes, so would I.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

Triode wrote: 
> Great - I was going to ask for something that had a framebuffer sdl
> could write to the hdmi port on (last image has some of the graphics
> subsystem but not enough to open a something on the hdmi port - any
> suggestions?)

Nope, not even got to graphics yet. When I was looking at device nodes,
I noticed /dev/mxc_asrc and went off at a tangent looking at the kernel
code for the resampling hardware. I keep going off at a tangent...
It is an interesting device.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread erland

JackOfAll wrote: 
> Well, I actually did a back to back with the analogue out from a Touch.
> To put it politely, let's say that the Touch punches above it weight and
> can hold its own in much more expensive company, while the default
> Wandboard analogue out is closer to FM radio quality. I think that's a
> fair comment. There was no doubt in my mind that I was listening to
> "cheap".
> 
Do you have any feeling how the analogue out from a Touch does in
comparison to the DAC's in typical standalone amplifiers/receivers
(which costs about $300-400) ?
Is the Touch better or does amplifiers/receivers for about $300-$400
have decent DAC's built-in ?

In my previous post I was referring to the DAC on the daughter board
John is about to design, I understand that the default DAC on the
wandboard isn't optimal but I expect John's to be a lot better.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

erland wrote: 
> If the built-in DAC has lower quality than the one built into the
> typical low/middle-end standalone amplifier/receiver, I can agree that
> it's pointless, but if it's better than the DAC's built into most
> middle-end amplifiers/receivers it's definitely worth to have one in the
> box.

Well, I actually did a back to back with the analogue out from a Touch.
To put it politely, let's say that the Touch punches above it weight and
can hold its own in much more expensive company, while the default
Wandboard analogue out is closer to FM radio quality. I think that's a
fair comment. There was no doubt in my mind that I was listening to
"cheap".



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

Triode wrote: 
> Great - I was going to ask for something that had a framebuffer sdl
> could write to the hdmi port on (last image has some of the graphics
> subsystem but not enough to open a something on the hdmi port - any
> suggestions?)

Do you want me to gzip my original Wandboard ubuntu image that has the
full desktop X server environment? I have that working with a
self-compiled kernel that includes USB audio driver. I'll gzip it and
post a URL.

Triode wrote: 
> I quite like this dual core cpu, its got enough power to do things with
> it while playing audio.. I think a server on the same device would be
> quite viable...

More than viable.. Shhh. It's just a music player. I'm already
dreaming about a quad core version. ;)



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread erland

Pascal Hibon wrote: 
> I think that most users here are using an external DAC with their
> Squeezeboxes any way.
> 
If you by "here" mean people in the audiophile section of the forum I'm
sure you are right, but if you by "here" mean this community I'm 99%
sure you are wrong, independent if you like it or not a lot of people
connect their Squeezeboxes using the analogue outputs and don't even own
an external DAC except for the one built into their amplifier in the
main listening room. If the built-in DAC has lower quality than the one
built into the typical low/middle-end standalone amplifier/receiver, I
can agree that it's pointless, but if it's better than the DAC's built
into most middle-end amplifiers/receivers it's definitely worth to have
one in the box. Also, as I've understood it from John, people who don't
like the DAC can just get an add-on board optimized for digital outputs
instead of the one with built-in DAC's.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Triode

JackOfAll wrote: 
> Guys,
> 
> I made a new image, 'wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz'
> (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz),
> to fix a couple of issues. 
> 
> 1. I doubt I will have time to look at this until the weekend and while
> I know how it is supposed to work in a traditional initramfs, tempfs and
> udev setup, don't know how it is supposed to work using uboot without an
> initramfs. Basically prior to the mount of the rootfs the platform
> specific device nodes are not being created. It's fine when the rootfs
> is mounted, udev will create the /dev entries from that point onwards.
> So anyway, I tar'd the /dev from the original wandboard image (after
> boot) and untar'd to my image. So now the nodes are there for the
> default on board sound devices. (Previously squeezelite -l wouldn't have
> shown the 3 default on-board devices and you wouldn't have been able to
> use them.)
> 
> 2. Added the udev imx specific config. (/etc/udev/rules.d/10-imx.rules)
> 
> 3. Added RT and memory locking for the audio group, which the ubuntu
> user does belong to. (/etc/security/limits.d/99-audio.conf)
> 
> 4. Recompiled brcm_patchram_plus, the Broadcom bluetooth firmware
> loader. (Although it was statically compiled sf, it wouldn't run on
> hf.)
> 
> 5. Added the cmd line to /etc/rc.local to load the bluetooth firmware
> and init the device. (Currently commented out with a #.)
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > # /usr/local/sbin/brcm_patchram_plus --timeout=6.0 --patchram 
/lib/firmware/brcm/bcm4329.hcd --baudrate 921600 --use_baudrate_for_download 
/dev/ttymxc2 && hciattach /dev/ttymxc2 any 921600 &
  > 

> > 
> 
> 6. wlan0 should be there now as well if you iwconfig. (It wasn't
> before.)
> 
> NB. Only potential issue is that it doesn't always cleanly reboot.
> After sudo reboot (or shutdown -r now) you might need to hit the reset
> button on the board to get it to boot again. Not sure if this was
> always the case, or something I have introduced. I will look into this
> when I get a chance.

Great - I was going to ask for something that had a framebuffer sdl
could write to the hdmi port on (last image has some of the graphics
subsystem but not enough to open a something on the hdmi port - any
suggestions?)

I quite like this dual core cpu, its got enough power to do things with
it while playing audio.. I think a server on the same device would be
quite viable...



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

Guys,

I made a new image, 'wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz'
(http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-dual-squeezelite-20130220.img.gz),
to fix a couple of issues. 

1. I doubt I will have time to look at this until the weekend and while
I know how it is supposed to work in a traditional initramfs, tempfs and
udev setup, don't know how it is supposed to work using uboot without an
initramfs. Basically prior to the mount of the rootfs the platform
specific device nodes are not being created. It's fine when the rootfs
is mounted, udev will create the /dev entries from that point onwards.
So anyway, I tar'd the /dev from the original wandboard image (after
boot) and untar'd to my image. So now the nodes are there for the
default on board sound devices. (Previously squeezelite -l wouldn't have
shown the devices and you wouldn't have been able to use them.)

2. Added the udev imx specific config. (/etc/udev/rules.d/10-imx.rules)

3. Added RT and memory locking for the audio group, which the ubuntu
user does belong to. (/etc/security/limits.d/99-audio.conf)

4. Recompiled brcm_patchram_plus, the broadcom bluetooth firmware
loader. (Although it was statically compiled sf, it wouldn't run on hf.)

5. Added the cmd line to /etc/rc.local to load the bluetooth firmware
and init the device. (Currently commented out with a #.)


Code:


  # /usr/local/sbin/brcm_patchram_plus --timeout=6.0 --patchram 
/lib/firmware/brcm/bcm4329.hcd --baudrate 921600 --use_baudrate_for_download 
/dev/ttymxc2 && hciattach /dev/ttymxc2 any 921600 &
  



6. wlan0 should be there now as well if you iwlist. (It wasn't before.)

NB. Only potential issue is that it doesn't always cleanly reboot. After
sudo reboot (or shutdown -r now) you might need to hit the reset button
on the board to get it to boot again. I will look into this when I get a
chance.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

sbp wrote: 
> I have been following this thread with interest. I don't know if you are
> familiar with the microcore linux, but maybe you should consider it for
> the basis of the new player.

I had a quick look at it a couple of days ago and came to the conclusion
that whilst it might be ideal as a runtime distribution, it was a little
lacking while in the development phase.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

Triode wrote: 
> So UAC1 works too with wandboard and your image Clive, but needs an
> external hub as we suspected.

Not really a surpise about needing the external hub. I think that is
probably always going to be the case with any of these SoC
implementations.

Triode wrote: 
> I've tested with my MDAC which usefully has a buffer fill indicator on
> it so you can see when the feedback is working correctly.  It needs a
> slightly larger than default alsa buffer with squeezelite, but once it
> is set larger is rock sold.

Great. That's pretty much mirrors what I found.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread JackOfAll

JohnSwenson wrote: 
> Have you seen my posts earlier in the thread on wifi? 

Nope, I'll look back through the thread.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread P Nelson

CharlieG wrote: 
> +1
> This was also brought up before.  Should it be on the list?

I actually came up with Phoenix, back on the community funded squeezebox
thread, along with Open Music Box, which did make the list.

As has been mentioned before, I recommend you stay away from squeeze or
slim variants.  I am sure Logitech owns those trademarks and will take
steps to protect their property.  It is not worth the hassle.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread dustinsterk

simbo wrote: 
> Yeah probably.. I'll add it to the next round, along with Harmonic.

:)  Thanks!



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread dasmueller

Mnyb wrote: 
> What I'm actually for is to let John, Clive and, Adrian decide



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread castalla


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
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Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


chill wrote: 
> Best news I've heard today :)

S'funny this emphasis on Community especially in these libertarian
neo-con times 

How about something more classical to emphasise the 'commune' aspect ?

eg:   δῆμος 

Demos 



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread chill


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- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


pippin wrote: 
> Vuvuzela is trademarked at least in Germany.

Best news I've heard today :)



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Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30

2013-02-20 Thread azinck3

SamS wrote: 
> Understood. Well not really about no smartphone - ha! ;)
> 
> I thought that wand board project doesn't have a display/interface,
> either?  At least initially.

I haven't been following the custom hardware solution being dreamt up in
the other thread so I don't know their current plans (are they calling
it a wand board now?).  I know the early discussions had people lobbying
for a display and IR interface but if they've done away with those then
it strikes me as a bit more pointless.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread simbo

CharlieG wrote: 
> +1
> This was also brought up before.  Should it be on the list?
Yeah probably.. I'll add it to the next round, along with Harmonic.



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread Michael Herger

If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community
Radio & Audio Player is included ...

OK, only if Synchronised HiFi Integrated Transporter is there too.


Oh well... :-)

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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread Michael Herger

If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community
Radio & Audio Player is included ...


C.R.A.P.?

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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread simbo


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
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- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


castalla wrote: 
> If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community
> Radio & Audio Player is included ...
OK, only if Synchronised HiFi Integrated Transporter is there too.



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread castalla


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- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


simbo wrote: 
> The forum's voting tool only allows a maximum of 10 entries. I
> originally thought those with +1s could be shortlisted, but there are
> even more than 10 of those, which I why I went with +2 or more.
> The other issue is that more names are coming out of the woodwork
> daily... and there are plenty of people who don't like any of them  :-)
> 
> 
> To be honest that was kind of my reason for bringing this to a head by
> using this poll... ;-)

If there's any sort of re-run. then I really must insist that Community
Radio & Audio Player is included ...



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Re: [slim] No competition for Sonos! :-(

2013-02-20 Thread jimzak

reniera wrote: 
> try deinstalling trackstat

It's not installed.  Thanks.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread cliveb

Pascal Hibon wrote: 
> I believe that this device should focus on the transport side of things.
> This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells
> and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality
> DAC’s out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC
> with their Squeezeboxes any way.
My request for a balanced output was influenced by my current setup,
which is a Transporter driving active speakers with balanced inputs.

On reflection I think you are right - this project should concentrate on
delivering a good transport with a serviceable analogue output, so as to
keep the costs down. People who want something a bit more high-end
(myself included) can buy an external DAC.

So I therefore withdraw my request for a balanced output (unless it can
be done really easily at low cost).



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread mintaudio

Hi,

Not sure if it is of interest here, but we are a small UK startup
looking to a release an audiophile computer based server/transport (not
a pc in an off the shelf case) later this year and have just started
work on developing an 'extender' device.
It's a transport only device (we may partner with KEF to bundle with the
x300A speaker system, but it will available standalone) but does
currently have a 'squeezebox mode' where it can connect to LMS and
operate much like the kit we know and love.

It is however, still early days on this one. It's currently a messy
looking board, even if one of our techs does have two running in his
house already.
(Triode - we may be in touch as I believe we are using a modified
version of your squeezelite code for this)

Don't expect too much news for now - we're currently working hard to get
the server unit out into the market and the extender is very much a side
project for now, but it does exist.



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Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30

2013-02-20 Thread SamS

azinck3 wrote: 
> There are 2 big areas in which the VAMP is lacking for me:
> - No display
> - No control interface at the device
> 
> Those are pretty much deal-killers for me.  I use my SBs as
> weather-centers and bedside radios as much as anything.  I also don't
> have a smartphone (yes, there are still some of us out there!).
> 
> That said, I'm not really in the "let's design and build our own
> hardware camp". Nothing against those guys, I'm just skeptical.  For now
> I'll just keep buying used SBs and might build a VAMP if I want a
> headless SB.

Understood. Well not really about no smartphone - ha! ;)

I thought that wand board project doesn't have a display/interface,
either?  At least initially.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread Mnyb

What I'm actually for is to let John, Clive and, Adrian decide



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread CharlieG

Squeezed_Rotel wrote: 
> Phoenix:  "a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its
> predecessor"

+1
This was also brought up before.  Should it be on the list?



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Triode

JackOfAll wrote: 
> Kernel compile shenanigans over, I don't give praise lightly, but need
> to say this.
> 
> From the perspective of UAC2, *the Wandboard is a fantastic piece of
> kit*.
> 
> I'm sitting here, streaming at 384k via the USB port, while running a
> continuous squeezelite compile in a tight loop, (while (true); do make
> -j3 clean && make -j3; done). At close to 100% CPU, no XRUN's, no
> clicks, pops, drops, artifacts... Sure, it's a PREMPT kernel and the
> squeezelite output thread is running at PRI 46. The alsa buffer needs
> increasing a little once we go over 192k, ( -a 40::: ), but that's it.
> Perfect! 
> 
> I have a UAC1 device on the way for testing. 
> 
> Has everyone else who has ordered a Wandboard so far gone for the dual
> core model? Anyone ordered the single proc / 512MB? If not, I'll order
> one so I have both for testing purposes.

So UAC1 works too with wandboard and your image Clive, but needs an
external hub as we suspected.  I've tested with my MDAC which usefully
has a buffer fill indicator on it so you can see when the feedback is
working correctly.  It needs a slightly larger than default alsa buffer
with squeezelite, but once it is set larger is rock sold.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Triode

eLR!C wrote: 
> Thanks and BTW, I just had a 2 GB microSD on which this image fitted
> perfecly (just received my wandboard today). Not much tests tonight
> except booting and checking 1 or 2 things (apache already installed :))
> I encounter a strange error with squeezelite I need to investigate (as
> many of us, not much time before the weekend)
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > ubuntu@wandboard:~/squeezelite-1.0$ ./squeezelite -l
  > Output devices:
  > null   - Discard all samples (playback) or generate 
zero samples (capture)
  > default:CARD=DAC   - HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio 
Device
  > sysdefault:CARD=DAC- HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio 
Device
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > ./squeezelite -o default:CARD=DAC
  > ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:1118:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_poll_fd) unable to 
open timer 'hw:CLASS=3,SCLASS=0,CARD=2,DEV=0,SUBDEV=0'
  > ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1095:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize poll_fd
  > [16:13:16.880783] test_open:152 playback open error: No such file or 
directory
  > [16:13:16.882064] output_init:1350 unable to open output device
  > 

> > 
> 
> Thanks again, at least the image is providing a good / clean start for
> further investigations

Try "-o hw:CARD=DAC"

Although that's the output -l give, it is best to open the hardware
direct.  [I get the same for my dac with this image. but hw:CARD=X
works]



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread simbo


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- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


lrossouw wrote: 
> My suggestion would be:
> 1. Go back to the full list of nominations and running a very large poll
> listing all of them perhaps with multiple (say 5) votes allowed?  
> 2. Remove half the choices with the lowest/no votes.
> 2. Repeat with the reduced list once or twice until you have 5 options
> left.
> Then do a final one vote per member round.
The forum's voting tool only allows a maximum of 10 entries. I
originally thought those with +1s could be shortlisted, but there are
even more than 10 of those, which I why I went with +2 or more.
The other issue is that more names are coming out of the woodwork
daily... and there are plenty of people who don't like any of them  :-)

lrossouw wrote: 
> I think the vetting process seems to have not worked.
To be honest that was kind of my reason for bringing this to a head by
using this poll... ;-)



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread blackbear

Breezebox.



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread pippin


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- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


Don't really like any of them but lacking better ideas, I'd go for the
Open Music Box.

Vuvuzela is trademarked at least in Germany.



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread ModelCitizen


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- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
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I quite like Whole Audio as a company name and Whole Audio Player, Whole
Audio Server etc.

The only bit I don't like is Hole. and that there's probably someone
called Whole Audio already.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread lrossouw

Flakk made me thing of Flap:  Free lossless audio player :)



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread Julf

castalla wrote: 
> It's relative to not choosing a ridiculous name which can provoke
> tasteless comments!

Well, of the other ones on the current voting list, FLÄKK is a homophone
of (sounds the same as) "fläck" - "stain" in Swedish...



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread chill


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- Vuvuzela 
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- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


simbo wrote: 
> OK, how about this: We'll pit the top 1 or 2 from this poll against the
> default "Community Funded Squeezebox (CFS)" in the next round?

"Community Funded Squeezebox" ranks up there with the rest of them IMO. 
By all means add it to the poll with the 'top' 2 from Round 1, but can
we also have a 'None of the above" in round 2?  If "None of the above"
gets more votes than the others, that tells us a lot about how popular
the others are (I always thought X Factor and its ilk could have done
with a 'Vote against' option).



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread lrossouw


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- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


Hi

I think the vetting process seems to have not worked.  We need a way of
truly coming up with the 5 best.

My suggestion would be:
1. Go back to the full list of nominations and running a very large poll
listing all of them perhaps with multiple (say 5) votes allowed?  
2. Remove half the choices with the lowest/no votes.
2. Repeat with the reduced list once or twice until you have 5 options
left.
Then do a final one vote per member round.

Regards
Louis



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread eLR!C

JackOfAll already answered to the question about the quality of the
onboard chip 
> From an onboard audio perspective, just about anything is going to beat
> the default sgtl5000 audio implementation on the carrier board. Truly
> terrible!

And about what I've understood from John posts, having a quality onboard
DAC does not mean a huge price increase (BTW, it is already included in
the price estimates in the first posts) and does not prevent you from
using your DAC

Last, if you absolutely don't want a DAC, you might be able to use a
standard wandboard as a transport with little efforts

I am personnaly very interested in a platform "ready to use in your
stereo" which can also evolve in the future in various formats such as
boom-like and so on.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Mnyb

Pascal Hibon wrote: 
> I believe that this device should focus on the transport side of things.
> This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells
> and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality
> DAC’s out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC
> with their Squeezeboxes any way.

Squeezemenicely wrote: 
> Absolutely agree. Adding high quality DaC to the device would only
> increase the price and users interested in high quality sound have a DAC
> anyway, since they always used one with their SBs.
> So, good analogue out plus SPDIF and USB to connect a DAC to make things
> sound better, should be enough.
> 
> 
> Since the Wandboard already has SPDIF out, would that already be ok? Or
> too much jitter? No idea if there is different quality in SPDIF out -
> but sure there are people here who could explain.
> 
> 
> What is the inbuilt analogue out on the Wandboard like? Good enough?

I think there was a modular aproach being discussed Wandbord + something
,that something could be Analog boards of all kinds of quality and "Good
analogue" can very close to the best anyway :)

Re balanced of course a line driver circuit could be used , i think John
imidietly thougth of the typical high end aproach with dual balanced
DAC's , but for long run's of cable to active speakers even a balanced
oine driver would be a benefit .

Anyhow a new feature request .

Built in attenuators with dip switches/jumpers like the transporter but
on both unbalanced and balanced .



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name

2013-02-20 Thread simbo

dustinsterk wrote: 
> I like the poll but feel that "Harmonic" should still be on the list. 
> It did have a +3.  :)
I liked "Harmonic" too, but I thought it was too close to "Harmonix" and
nobody screamed at me to add it back to the list. If I could add it to
the poll now, I would...



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread simbo


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- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


Pascal Hibon wrote: 
> I agree with the majority here ; I don’t like any of the proposed names
> (although I voted on one).
> Why don’t we keep Community Funded Squeezebox or CFS for now? Like I
> wrote earlier, if this is a community effort, and not an official
> company, then we can continue to use the name Squeezebox. 
> It clearly indicates that none of us are marketing people… :-)
OK, how about this: We'll pit the top 1 or 2 from this poll against the
default "Community Funded Squeezebox (CFS)" in the next round? This
would be a good vote-of-no-confidence for the chosen name from this
round.

Y'know, I only dragged this naming thing into a new thread to avoid
clogging up the technical discussions in the main thread, but I seem to
have become rather attached to it ;)



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Squeezemenicely

Pascal Hibon wrote: 
> This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells
> and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality
> DAC’s out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC
> with their Squeezeboxes any way.

Absolutely agree. Adding high quality DaC to the device would only
increase the price and users interested in high quality sound have a DAC
anyway, since they always used one with their SBs.
So, good analogue out plus SPDIF and USB to connect a DAC to make things
sound better, should be enough.


Since the Wandboard already has SPDIF out, would that already be ok? Or
too much jitter? No idea if there is different quality in SPDIF out -
but sure there are people here who could explain.


What is the inbuilt analogue out on the Wandboard like? Good enough?



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread Pascal Hibon


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Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


simbo wrote: 
> I thought about adding that (unfortunately it won't let me now) but to
> be honest it's a bit of a given - if the general populace don't like the
> name that comes out top, people won't use it.
> 
> What this whole thing has shown is that choosing a decent name for any
> new device is hard, especially when the contributors are all musos and
> geeks.
> 
> Personally, I think people are taking this far too seriously. If we come
> up with a name we can use until somebody (with real talent) comes up
> with a better one, it has to be easier than calling it "Community Funded
> Squeezebox".

I agree with the majority here ; I don’t like any of the proposed names
(although I voted on one).
Why don’t we keep Community Funded Squeezebox or CFS for now? Like I
wrote earlier, if this is a community effort, and not an official
company, then we can continue to use the name Squeezebox. 
It clearly indicates that none of us are marketing people… :-)



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread simbo


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results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148

Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


ModelCitizen wrote: 
> Oh dear. I think all of them are hideous.
> 
> Please add a "Let's think again" option.
I thought about adding that (unfortunately it won't let me now) but to
be honest it's a bit of a given - if the general populace don't like the
name that comes out top, people won't use it.

What this whole thing has shown is that choosing a decent name for any
new device is hard, especially when the contributors are all musos and
geeks.

Personally, I think people are taking this far too seriously. If we come
up with a name we can use until somebody (with real talent) comes up
with a better one, it has to be easier than calling it "Community Funded
Squeezebox".



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread cliveb


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Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


ModelCitizen wrote: 
> Oh dear. I think all of them are hideous.
> 
> Please add a "Let's think again" option.

+1. All these names are dreadful. I personally think any name should
include the word "squeeze".



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread Pascal Hibon

I believe that this device should focus on the transport side of things.
This should not be an attempt to be a high quality DAC with all bells
and whistles attached to it. There are plenty of external high quality
DAC’s out there. I think that most users here are using an external DAC
with their Squeezeboxes any way.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-02-20 Thread cliveb

JohnSwenson wrote: 
> In order to do balanced will take more than one DAC chip. That brings up
> how this is to be done. If I use two chips, and have them feed the XLR,
> do I run one of them to the RCAs in parallel, or have three DAC chips,
> one for RCA and two for balanced.
You're the electronics expert, so feel free to shoot down these
comments...

1. Aren't some DAC chips intrinsically balanced (eg. the one used in the
Transporter)?
2. If you've already chosen your preferred DAC chip and it isn't
balanced, how well would a pair of them be matched? Would a dedicated
balanced line driver (eg. AD SSM2142, TI DRV134, THAT 1646) be more
likely to deliver an accurate signal?
3. One possible advantage of using a pair of DAC chips is that in
single-ended use you could sum their outputs to achieve a reduction in
noise. (This technique has been used by Accuphase, and no doubt by other
manufacturers too).



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread ModelCitizen


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Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


Oh dear. I think all of them are hideous.



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread Pascal Hibon


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148

Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


I still believe we should consider Squeezebox and Slimdevices if this
new player won’t be sold through an official company. If this is a DIY
player then Logitech can’t stop us from calling it whatever we like. 
Using the Squeezebox or Slimdevices name would in that case be a tribute
to the Sean and Dean who started our journey into the Squeezebox world.



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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)

2013-02-20 Thread Chunkywizard


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Question: What should we call this new device?

- Vuvuzela 
- OpEncore 
- Melodia 
- Zela 
- Brikk 
- FLÄKK 
- Open Music Box


Must I would choose any of them, sorry.

CW



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