Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > dang it! its doing it again. GAPS!!! fixed. switched to digital only output. solved. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
dang it! its doing it again. GAPS!!! roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
No worries *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
i never thought there was much of an improvement with that soundtools garbage or whatever either. thanks for the help guys. again, sorry for being a bit standoffish.. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > what LMS should i be using? no reason at all not to use the latest. I'd suggest 7.8. 7.9 is beta so you'd have to put up with occasional hiccups, although it has gotten very stable. I use LMS 7.8 on my main music servers, but use 7.9 in my windows LMS just to play with. See: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/LogitechMediaServer_v7.8.0/ http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.9 *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
garym wrote: > Yes, I'd do a factory reset of the SBT, start over, and enjoy the music. > The Sound Quality you get through the Touch via your DAC will be > excellent without messing about with offbeat "settings". what LMS should i be using? roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > i agree. so should i just reset the SBT and start over? Yes, I'd do a factory reset of the SBT, start over, and enjoy the music. The Sound Quality you get through the Touch via your DAC will be excellent without messing about with offbeat "settings". *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
garym wrote: > That tells me you must have been using something like Soundcheck's > Toolbox to change settings in the Touch. If so, that would have been an > important fact to mention. If you don't really know what you're doing, > you shouldn't be using that stuff. (And in my opinion it provides zero > value anyhow, but as you've discovered, can cause problems). i agree. so should i just reset the SBT and start over? roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > ok. so i took all of the advice i received here nd found something out. > it is not the dac but rather the gaps only appeared when i had the SBT > set to digital only in the audio settings. i'm using a digital coax out > now and with the settings set to digital/analog out on the SBT i'm not > getting any gaps. any thoughts? sorry if i was being obstinate/lazy > before. That tells me you must have been using something like Soundcheck's Toolbox to change settings in the Touch. If so, that would have been an important fact to mention. If you don't really know what you're doing, you shouldn't be using that stuff. (And in my opinion it provides zero value anyhow, but as you've discovered, can cause problems). *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
ok. so i took all of the advice i received here nd found something out. it is not the dac but rather the gaps only appeared when i had the SBT set to digital only in the audio settings. i'm using a digital coax out now and with the settings set to digital/analog out on the SBT i'm not getting any gaps. any thoughts? sorry if i was being obstinate/lazy before. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
JJZolx wrote: > Why even post if you don't want to take ten minutes trying to figure out > the problem? Try it without the DAC to see if the DAC _is_ the source of > the issue. Nobody is suggesting you get rid of the DAC or leave it > bypassed. If it's not the DAC, then you still have the problem and you > can look elsewhere. If you don't actually care enough to put any effort > into troubleshooting, then you should never have asked for help to begin > with. you have a point, but the deal is if it is the dac i dont want to know. i basically asked because i thought there might be a simple workaround established. also the dac is unlikely the culprit as it was happening on a less involved dac with analog outs. the problem did not begin with a recent dac swap. it's also not a consistent issue. some things play w/o gaps and others do not. sometimes the same file will play with gaps and without gaps. to me it seemed more like a software or firmware issue. that being said why do YOU care what/why i post? you dont have to answer or read anything. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > it's not the clicking thats a problem it's the gap in the middle of a > dead show thats annoying. i guess i'll live with it because i'm not > going to bypass the DAC. it makes sense though that the DAC could be > the culprit. it's mildly irritating and seems like a software issue, > but perhaps not. thanks for the suggestions guys. if it becomes a real > pain i'll try all of the suggestions you have offered. Why even post if you don't want to take ten minutes trying to figure out the problem? Try it without the DAC to see if the DAC _is_ the source of the issue. Nobody is suggesting you get rid of the DAC or leave it bypassed. If it's not the DAC, then you still have the problem and you can look elsewhere. If you don't actually care enough to put any effort into troubleshooting, then you should never have started this thread to begin with. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
it's not the clicking thats a problem it's the gap in the middle of a dead show thats annoying. i guess i'll live with it because i'm not going to bypass the DAC. it makes sense though that the DAC could be the culprit. it's mildly irritating and seems like a software issue, but perhaps not. thanks for the suggestions guys. if it becomes a real pain i'll try all of the suggestions you have offered. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
I also have a Bifrost and it clicks when changing from standard to hires. So having a playlist mixing them, would result in clicking. But staying within the same sample rate playback from my touch via bifrost is perfect and without gaps or clicks. I also have a Rapberry Pi running Picoreplayer connected to the Bifrost, changing to hires or standard does not cause any clicks or interruptions. So this might also be an option. LMS 7.9.0 on Wandboard (SoA) Synology DS-410j NAS Squeezebox Touch, Squeezebox Boom, Squeezebox Radio, HifiBerry PicorePlayer Schiit - BIFROST Dac Spotify Premium iPhone: iPeng - iPad: Squeezepad, iPengHD Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Also, note that many DACs do not exhibit this issue. For example, I use a Benchmark DAC I connected to a SB touch via S/PDIF coax. It works perfectly, even when playing songs with different bit depths/rates. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
garym wrote: > It may be the DAC causing a problem. Try with analog outs, bypassing > DAC, just as a test. Agreed. Please try without the external DAC. You may be running into the problem discussed in the thread below. If it's an issue with the Bifrost's muting circuitry kicking in between tracks, I'm not sure there's anything that can be done. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=432271 And: > Clicking When Changing Sample Rates/Pausing/Etc. > > 1. Its totally normal for our Bifrost and Gungnir DACs to click > (mechanically, from the chassis) during normal operation. Thats the > muting relay, doing its job. It clicks whenever the SPDIF datastream is > interrupted. > > 2. If its clicking excessively on a Mac or PC, you can reduce it by > routing system sounds to the speaker on a Mac, rather than to the Schiit > USB Audio Device output. On a PC, you can set system sounds to "no > sounds." In both cases, using USB largely eliminates it. > > 3. If its clicking excessively on a CD transport when in pause, the CD > transport has a cycling interruption in the datastream. Theres no real > fix for this, except getting another CD transport. It wont hurt the > Bifrost or Gungnir, thoughthe relays are rated for several million > cycles. > > http://schiit.com/faq/dac-problems > JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > no they all have different sample rates. though i get gaps no matter > the sample rates. Try with only 16/44.1 tracks in a row the same result ? What kind of player did you use again ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
garym wrote: > That is, not 24/96 or 24/48 or 24/44.1 etc. no they all have different sample rates. though i get gaps no matter the sample rates. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
pippin wrote: > So all files have the same sample rate? That is, not 24/96 or 24/48 or 24/44.1 etc. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
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Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
It may be the DAC causing a problem. Try with analog outs, bypassing DAC, just as a test. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
it's with the digital out. into my schiit bifrost. wont the analog outs degrade the sound quality? roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Is this with the digital output or analog output ? Try the headphone or analog out . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > settings checked. no crossfade. flacs do not cause gaps when played > anywhere else with any other software. weird and strangely annoying What is the ReplayGain setting in LMS > Settings > Player > audio? Smart gain, track gain, album gain? If track gain, the volume changes as it moves from one track to another could sound like a very slight "gap" in playback. I use SMARTGAIN setting. This way LMS uses album gain if I'm playing a complete album and track gain if I'm doing random play). You should check to see that you have both album and track gain in your file tags. You can test all this by simply turning OFF replaygain in LMS > Settings and playing one of these gapless live albums and seeing what happens. Otherwise I'm out of ideas. This shouldn't be happening (I play lossless FLACS and even mp3 files via my squeezeboxes all the time and gapless is perfect). So something is off in your setup, but struggling to figure out what. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
garym wrote: > have you tried playing these in foobar2000? Do the gaps show up there? settings checked. no crossfade. flacs do not cause gaps when played anywhere else with any other software. weird and strangely annoying roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
JJZolx wrote: > Are you certain there are no gaps contained in the music files > themselves? The vast majority of CDs have gaps between the songs on CD > and most rippers will preserve those gaps by making them part of the > ripped files (typically added at the ends of tracks). And for gapless > CDs, it's possible to rip so that gaps are inserted, although that's > less common. You should be able to easily tell by playing the tracks in > a computer audio player. > > If it were a problem with drive access, I'd expect that you would not > only have gaps between songs, but also dropouts during playback (in the > middle) of songs. a lot of the gaps are in live releases which are downloaded flac files. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > a lot of the gaps are in live releases which are downloaded flac files. have you tried playing these in foobar2000? Do the gaps show up there? *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > my squeezebox just wont stop putting gaps between songs. could it be > because my music is stored on an external hd connected to a mac mini > wired to the SBT? so annoying. Are you certain there are no gaps contained in the music files themselves? The vast majority of CDs have gaps between the songs on CD and most rippers will preserve those gaps by making them part of the ripped files (typically added at the ends of tracks). And for gapless CDs, it's possible to rip so that gaps are inserted, although that's less common. You should be able to easily tell by playing the tracks in a computer audio player. If it were a problem with drive access, I'd expect that you would not only have gaps between songs, but also dropouts during playback (in the middle) of songs. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > my squeezebox just wont stop putting gaps between songs. could it be > because my music is stored on an external hd connected to a mac mini > wired to the SBT? so annoying. no, that's not likely the cause. I often use a setup with an external USB drive connected to a laptop and gapless is fine. How is the SBT connected? Is it wired back to the router or connected directly to the mac mini? Have you checked the player settings in LMS > Settings > Player tab > Audio, to make sure that CROSSFADE is not turned on? *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
my squeezebox just wont stop putting gaps between songs. could it be because my music is stored on an external hd connected to a mac mini wired to the SBT? so annoying. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
BJW wrote: > the FLACs play fine and album gain was used, it was just the slight > stutter at the end. > > I opened some up in audacity, and notice about a tenth of a second of > silence tacked onto the end of the track that shouldn't be there at > all. > > something was wrong with either my EAC settings or my HD/CD drive. but > what I was hoping is that someone could tell me how cuetools or > something might recognize the issue and fix it? that's what it seems > has been said in this thread and elsewhere. download cuetools, and use verify and repair setting. can't hurt to try. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
the FLACs play fine and album gain was used, it was just the slight stutter at the end. I opened some up in audacity, and notice about a tenth of a second of silence tacked onto the end of the track that shouldn't be there at all. something was wrong with either my EAC settings or my HD/CD drive. but what I was hoping is that someone could tell me how cuetools or something might recognize the issue and fix it? that's what it seems has been said in this thread and elsewhere. BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
BJW wrote: > Hi Guys, I think I have a similar issue. I posted here where I see some > of you did too, > > http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=70202 > > I don't know cue tools but my issue is a slight stutter inbetween cuts > in my EAC made FLACs. I noticed it on Abbey Road. > > how do I diagnose what is wrong with the FLACs and if it can be fixed? > I don't have access to the CDs currently. mp3s playback fine, (using > winamp). Do the FLACs play on other players (winamp or foobar2000)? Do you have ReplayGain turned on in LMS? If so, you need to make sure you are using "Smart Gain" (so that when you play an entire album it uses the same album gain RG for every track). If the RG value per track is changing and you are using those values, you'll notice a change in volume between tracks that could be interpreted as a "break". garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Hi Guys, I think I have a similar issue. I posted here where I see some of you did too, http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=70202 I don't know cue tools but my issue is a slight stutter inbetween cuts in my EAC made FLACs. I noticed it on Abbey Road. how do I diagnose what is wrong with the FLACs and if it can be fixed? I don't have access to the CDs currently. mp3s playback fine, (using winamp). BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696993 Wrote: > Does it allow playback on iPhone too? No, but iPengHD also does not run on iPhone. Playback on iPhone is possible with iPeng or SqueezeCast which are both sold separately. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? => why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? => why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696993 Wrote: > Does it allow playback on iPhone too? It's purely an iPad App -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
bluegaspode;696974 Wrote: > SqueezePad supports gapless playback for all formats since the day the > playback was released (Xmas '10) . This includes FLAC of course. Does it allow playback on iPhone too? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696936 Wrote: > I'm using ipeng on my iPad 3 and loving it! The only drawback is gapless > playback. I see squuezepad says it allows gapless playbackwhenstreaming > to an iPad. Can any users confirm that it will do so for FLAC files? SqueezePad supports gapless playback for all formats since the day the playback was released (Xmas '10) . This includes FLAC of course. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? => why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? => why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696941 Wrote: > Great to hear! Will it do gapless for FLAC? Yes, it will also do gapless between different formats. And it works with some streaming services, too, although they have almost no gapless material and even edit some albums that are originally gapless as of my experience. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
pippin;696940 Wrote: > Will come with the next update in iPeng for iPad, too, which hopefully > will show up end of this week or early next week in the App Store. > > It's been waiting for review for a while, see the iPeng support thread > for details on the delay. > > It will support gapless and synchronization. Great to hear! Will it do gapless for FLAC? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
Will come with the next update in iPeng for iPad, too, which hopefully will show up end of this week or early next week in the App Store. It's been waiting for review for a while, see the iPeng support thread for details on the delay. It will support gapless and synchronization. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
FYI I don't use playlists. Will it preload the next track in an album based on track number? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
I'm using ipeng on my iPad 3 and loving it! The only drawback is gapless playback. I see squuezepad says it allows gapless playbackwhenstreaming to an iPad. Can any users confirm that it will do so for FLAC files? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
and if you downgrade the server software, the firmware will automatically downgrade to the correct version to match... -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
Makes no difference. AAC appears twice on that page, at the top as "AAC AAC" and further down as "MPEG-4 AAC". In both cases, the only options are "native" and "disabled". There is no "faad" option, as there is for other formats. Setting both AAC selections to "disabled" does not improve the problem. I want to go back to a version of the server when AAC was playing back gaplessly (to my ears at least). The problem started some time in the past six months. What version of the server should I try, and where do I find it? And I presume the problem is the server, or could it also be the firmware? Should I downgrade both? -Ron. -- rpieket rpieket's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
rpieket;691934 Wrote: > Makes no difference. AAC appears twice on that page, at the top as "AAC > AAC" and further down as "MPEG-4 AAC". In both cases, the only options > are "native" and "disabled". There is no "faad" option, as there is for > other formats. Setting both AAC selections to "disabled" does not > improve the problem. > > I want to go back to a version of the server when AAC was playing back > gaplessly (to my ears at least). The problem started some time in the > past six months. > > What version of the server should I try, and where do I find it? > > And I presume the problem is the server, or could it also be the > firmware? Should I downgrade both? > > > -Ron. all old versions here: You might start with 7.6.2 and see if that restores your function... http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ And do make sure you haven't turned on "track gain". That is, if you are playing a gapless album and you have track gain volume adjustment turned on under audio in player settings, you'll get a slight change when moving from track to track. I use "smart gain" so that "album gain" values are used when playing a complete album. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
rpieket;691934 Wrote: > Makes no difference. AAC appears twice on that page, at the top as "AAC > AAC" and further down as "MPEG-4 AAC". In both cases, the only options > are "native" and "disabled". There is no "faad" option, as there is for > other formats. Setting both AAC selections to "disabled" does not > improve the problem. > > I want to go back to a version of the server when AAC was playing back > gaplessly (to my ears at least). The problem started some time in the > past six months. > > What version of the server should I try, and where do I find it? > > And I presume the problem is the server, or could it also be the > firmware? Should I downgrade both? > > > -Ron. all old versions here: You might start with 7.6.2 and see if that restores your function... http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ And do make sure you haven't turned on "track gain". That is, if you are playing a gapless album and you have track gain volume adjustment turned on under audio in player settings, you'll get a slight change when moving from track to track. I use "smart gain" so that "album gain" values are used when playing a complete album. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
faad transcoding is what happens whenever your device doesn't support AAC natively. You can enforce it in the server settings by disabling "native" under "Settings->Advanced->File Types->AAC" in the server's web interface. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
What is faad transcoding, and how do I get it? What was the last version that still played AAC gaplessly, and how do I downgrade if this faad whatchamacallit doesn't work out? -Ron. -- rpieket rpieket's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
We don't have gapless AAC support (in the newer players), although maybe with faad transcoding it's gapless, don't think I've tried to be honest. MP3 should be gapless if properly encoded with LAME from a gapless source. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
I'm using 160-256kbps AAC for everything. I have not changed any formats or re-ripped anything recently. The very same files that worked flawlessly before, now don't. And they still work flawlessly if I play back through iTunes, or on my iPhone. And it is not so much a glitch, but rather the beat "stumbles". The timing is off by a fraction of a second. Enough to be distracting. -Ron. -- rpieket rpieket's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
Is there something like gapless mp3 songs? I can't really get mp3 to play completely gapless, indeed, but I thought that was an mp3 limitation? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
Actually syncing only works robust, when songs are played gapless. Otherwise a resync is needed on each song start. Are you playing mp3? In my experience the individual compression leads to very small audible glitches in gapless songs. I can only hear it via headphones though and when I listen very closely and try to detect it. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? => why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? => why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
verypsb;691839 Wrote: > Yes, it can... Indeed. It definitely can. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
Phil Leigh;691822 Wrote: > Is the Boom synced to something else? - I don't think synced playback > can be gapless... Yes, it can... -- verypsb ::Please vote::: '::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330) '::bug 2140:: Allow specification of SlimServer address' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2140) '::bug 17205:: Artists with accented characters not correctly sorted in pagebar' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17205) '::bug 17542:: Albums not credited to Album Artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17542) '::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing the albums by an artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799) 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Controller, 2x Receiver, 1x Touch verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
Phil Leigh;691822 Wrote: > Is the Boom synced to something else? - I don't think synced playback > can be gapless... Hmmm. I'll have to test but I have never noticed any issues with synched players and gapless. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
I've not had any issues with gapless. What kind of files FLAC, MP3 ect. ? Are your running the latest released 7.7.1 or either an older release or a beta? Have you double checked your transcoding settings? What about the crossfade settings? After that I'm not sure what it would be. But it's not a widespread problem as I've not had it or seen it mentioned anywhere around here. -- rayman1701 rayman1701's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
rpieket;691816 Wrote: > My Squeezebox Boom has been the main conduit for music in my home for > some three years years. I have several of them throughout the house, > all synced with each other, and it's been great. My server runs on OS X > Lion. > > However recently I have noticed a new problem. When playing back a > gapless album, in particular a continuous DJ mix album, there is a > noticeable transition between the tracks. It's not so much a gap, > rather an unevenness in the tempo. Like the new track is slightly > delayed. > > This used to work great. My music library has not changed. Gapless > albums that previously played back fine, now have awkward track > transitions. I suspect this was introduced in a recent server software > or firmware upgrade. > > * Is Logitech aware of this? Has anyone else noticed it? > * Is a fix in the making? > * Is it the server or the firmware? > * What is the last version of the server or firmware that did not have > this problem, and how to I revert to that version? > > -Ron. Is the Boom synced to something else? - I don't think synced playback can be gapless... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Gapless playback no longer working properly
My Squeezebox Boom has been the main conduit for music in my home for some three years years. I have several of them throughout the house, all synced with each other, and it's been great. My server runs on OS X Lion. However recently I have noticed a new problem. When playing back a gapless album, in particular a continuous DJ mix album, there is a noticeable transition between the tracks. It's not so much a gap, rather an unevenness in the tempo. Like the new track is slightly delayed. This used to work great. My music library has not changed. Gapless albums that previously played back fine, now have awkward track transitions. I suspect this was introduced in a recent server software or firmware upgrade. * Is Logitech aware of this? Has anyone else noticed it? * Is a fix in the making? * Is it the server or the firmware? * What is the last version of the server or firmware that did not have this problem, and how to I revert to that version? -Ron. -- rpieket rpieket's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
JJZolx;537755 Wrote: > Does this happen on every different Squeezebox player that you have? > > If so, it sounds like something in the ripping and/or encoding of the > file, as others have suggested. Yes, happens on all devices. We found the source of the problem here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=537396#post537396 -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Does this happen on every different Squeezebox player that you have? If so, it sounds like something in the ripping and/or encoding of the file, as others have suggested. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
cliveb;537500 Wrote: > If you just run the files through the FLAC > command line decoder, you will of course lose the tags. Aaargh, yeah that would not be acceptable. cliveb;537500 Wrote: > What's needed is to find some sort of front end > to FLAC that not only preserves the tags, but also allows you to > specify additional parameters on decode (ie. so you can add the > *--until=-4608* option). > > You can usually bank on Foobar2000 having some way of doing what you > want. But although it preserves the tags when convertion FLAC to FLAC, > I can't find any way of adding additional decode options. Maybe > CUETools will do the job, but I've never used it. I don't have much experience with Foobar2000. I think CUETools may work, I have a question out over at HA. cliveb;537500 Wrote: > As far as I can tell, this option is relevant > only when you're using an encoder that introduces an offset (eg. some > dubious MP3 encoders might do that). On playback, the final N samples > are lost, and so EAC adds the extra silence so that what gets lost is > the added silence. In other words, EAC is attempting to compensate for > dodgy encoders. But FLAC does not suffer from this problem, and so the > option should not be used. cliveb;537500 Wrote: > Perhaps later versions of EAC are aware that FLAC > is OK and so don't add the extra silence even if you have the option > switched on. But my gut feeling is that to be safe you should switch > it off. Go to *Compression Options | Offset* and make sure it's > unchecked. That makes sense. I'll make sure and uncheck that option. htrd;537693 Wrote: > If you cant find a solution that works in a single pass, you can > probably build something using --export-tags-to and --import-tags-from > options in metaflac. I'm dumber than a box of hammers when it comes to writing code, so I'll have to see if I can muddle through it now... -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
cliveb;537500 Wrote: > What's needed is to find some sort of front end to FLAC that not only > preserves the tags, but also allows you to specify additional > parameters on decode If you cant find a solution that works in a single pass, you can probably build something using --export-tags-to and --import-tags-from options in metaflac. -- htrd Toby Dickenson Your last.fm profile mashed with eBay; www.exitahead.co.uk htrd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537480 Wrote: > Good tip about the tags, I will need to do some more research. If you just run the files through the FLAC command line decoder, you will of course lose the tags. What's needed is to find some sort of front end to FLAC that not only preserves the tags, but also allows you to specify additional parameters on decode (ie. so you can add the *--until=-4608* option). You can usually bank on Foobar2000 having some way of doing what you want. But although it preserves the tags when convertion FLAC to FLAC, I can't find any way of adding additional decode options. Maybe CUETools will do the job, but I've never used it. SamS;537480 Wrote: > I still don't know if I should be using the Compression Offset feature > in EAC? Luckily the problem no longer exists with current rips. I > must have been using an old version of EAC. As far as I can tell, this option is relevant only when you're using an encoder that introduces an offset (eg. some dubious MP3 encoders might do that). On playback, the final N samples are lost, and so EAC adds the extra silence so that what gets lost is the added silence. In other words, EAC is attempting to compensate for dodgy encoders. But FLAC does not suffer from this problem, and so the option should not be used. Perhaps later versions of EAC are aware that FLAC is OK and so don't add the extra silence even if you have the option switched on. But my gut feeling is that to be safe you should switch it off. Go to *Compression Options | Offset* and make sure it's unchecked. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Thanks Clive, yep pull those files down ;-) I think I need to use CUETools. Good tip about the tags, I will need to do some more research. Although my problem still exists, I really appreciate you being able to confirm it was the '4608 samples of silence' problem. I could not have diagnosed that myself. I still don't know if I should be using the Compression Offset feature in EAC? Luckily the problem no longer exists with current rips. I must have been using an old version of EAC. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537451 Wrote: > Clive, thank you so much! I had done a bit more investigating last > night, and read about the 4608 samples of silence appended to tracks, > so this has happened to others before. I found a thread on Hydrogen Audio which talks about an EAC option called "Compression Offset" which adds 4608 samples of silence. This is just too good a fit to your problem for it to be a coincidence. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=70202 SamS;537451 Wrote: > My drive model is Samsung SH-S183L. According to the Accuraterip database, that drive has an offset of +6, so this isn't the issue. The EAC "Compression Offset" has got to be what's happened. SamS;537451 Wrote: > Now, the big question, how do I fix this? >From info in the referenced HA thread, it looks like you can run the affected files through FLAC to decode them while ignoring the final 4608 samples, then pipe that output into FLAC to re-encode them. I don't know if your tags will survive, so do a test first before blasting the whole lot through! -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Clive, thank you so much! I had done a bit more investigating last night, and read about the 4608 samples of silence appended to tracks, so this has happened to others before. My drive model is Samsung SH-S183L. However, I no longer have this problem. Any rip I've done since about mid-2008 does not have this problem. I did a bit of digging by file date to find when this problem stopped. I don't know what would have happened at that time, except possibly an upgrade of EAC. Now, the big question, how do I fix this? -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
good analysis clive. Although not a good answer for Sam given this means that many of his CDs need to be reripped. I'm not an EAC user (dbpa for me), but the drive offset issue seems plausible. And the "fill missing offset with silence" sounds dangerous to me on its face (but again, I have no knowledge of the settings). I suppose the only partial good news is that the extra silence is irrelevant for 99% of his rips as they already have silence between tracks. So there is probably only a very small number of rerips needed (live albums and a handful of studio albums). p.s. Sam, I feel your pain. A number of years ago I ripped thousands of my CDs to high quality mp3. I didn't know enough and I've since been on a project to rerip everything to FLAC. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537288 Wrote: > I'm still hopeful Clive can diagnose something with the tracks I sent > and there is a way to correct. Crossing fingers!! I've received the files from Sam. If anyone else wants to take a look at them, they can be downloaded from here: http://www.delback.co.uk/guest_user/01 - Speak To Me.flac http://www.delback.co.uk/guest_user/02 - Breathe.flac I'll leave these files up for a few days, but then I will have to delete them - I don't want one of the RIAA's snooping robots to stumble across them and set their lawyers on me! As for a "diagnosis", all I can say is that there is definitely a brief period of silence (4608 samples, 104 millseconds) at the end of both tracks. Cutting out those samples from "Speak To Me" results in a perfect seamless transition into "Breathe". How this extra silence got into the files I can't say. 4608 samples is much larger than a single CD block (588 samples). Another intruiging thing is that when you rip a track from a CD, the resulting file really should be an exact multiple of 588 samples. These two tracks are not. If you cut out the extra 4608 samples of silence, they are then 1 sample over an exact multiple of 588. I'm guessing here, but perhaps some earlier version of EAC did something strange when the "fill missing offset with silence" was switched on. 4608 is not an unreasonable figure for a CD drive offset - it's fairly high, but certainly not unknown. Sam: can you tell us the make/model of your ripping drive? The CD Freaks website has a database of known offsets for a lot of drives. If yours is in there and has an offset of 4608, that would be a smoking gun. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
I checked some live albums that I ripped a few months ago, and they have no gaps, either. Something has changed with my rips that is causing this problem. I'm using EAC v99pb4. I think I've always used this version, but I don't know. I guess I could have been using version v95 some time ago? The PC and ripping drive have always been the same. I'm still hopeful Clive can diagnose something with the tracks I sent and there is a way to correct. Crossing fingers!! -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Guys, I just re-ripped DSOTM with no changes to the setting above, and guess what? No gaps. I ripped these CDs 2-3 years ago, and don't recall ever changing any EAC settings, so I don't know what is was/is. I sent two the of the problem FLACs to Clive, maybe he can tell what the problem is and I can find someway to batch-fix everything. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
dsdreamer;537275 Wrote: > Fill up missing offset samples with silence. > > I don't know, but it would be reasonable to think that if the drive has > an offset and you can't get actual samples for that offset, that EAC > could be supplying its own silent samples for encoding into the FLAC > file. > > How about re-ripping DSOTM with that option unchecked? Just a > suggestion. that would certainly be worth a try just to have the info with and without that checked for that particular album. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537223 Wrote: > I don't know what in EAC could be causing this. Fill up missing offset samples with silence. I don't know, but it would be reasonable to think that if the drive has an offset and you can't get actual samples for that offset, that EAC could be supplying its own silent samples for encoding into the FLAC file. How about re-ripping DSOTM with that option unchecked? Just a suggestion. -- dsdreamer -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Just a quick note to let everyone know that Sam has PM'd me and I've sent him the details for uploading to my FTP site. Once the files have arrived I'll post links to them in this thread so everyone can download them and check them out. But it's approaching 11pm here in the UK and I'm about to go to bed, so it won't be until the morning... -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
can't speak to the EAC settings. I use dbpoweramp for my ripping (FLAC & converting FLAC to mp3 for my ipods). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
I don't know what in EAC could be causing this. +---+ |Filename: EAC.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9689| +---+ -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
gonk;537217 Wrote: > My guess is that there are some transcoding done by the server. Are you > sure this is not the case? I have found that transcoding can get short > gaps. Check the convert.conf file and check what the SB says under more > info under now playing regarding the bitrate and file type. > > Also try to play the FLAC:s in Winamp, they should come out gapless. If > you have gaps there, the error is in your FLACs already... (ie. re-rip) Hi gonk, I tried to 'Play Folder' in Winamp. Crap, there are gaps there too. How can this be? What setting in EAC would have led to such gaps? -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
MarCn;537218 Wrote: > I've been having similar problems trying to get gapless playback from my > monkeys audio files... > The best i could get was quite a small gap, and i did this by using the > directsound crossfading plugin, and setting gapless playback on in the > settings. > Does anybody know if monkeys, or flac for that matter, are meant to > support gapless playback? Or do they suffer the same limitation that > mp3 does? no experience with monkey's audio, but FLAC is designed to do gapless. And LAME mp3 does gapless perfectly (or at least versions going back quite a few years). This said, not all PLAYERS can use the gapless info. But Squeezeboxes can and do. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537104 Wrote: > Hi, > > I realize that this subject might (?) have been beaten to death > already, but I'm really concerned now that I found out my set-up is not > acting correct when it comes to gapless playback. > > I have about 2000 CDs ripped via EAC to FLAC, no CUE sheets. Playback > is to Transporter, SB3, Boom, etc via SS7.5. > > For seamless albums like Dark Side of the Moon, there is a little break > in between songs. Not a pause, but the music does not line up perfectly > during the transition. I've been thinking all these years that it was > normal, and since there was no "gap" per se, this *was* gapless > playback. Shrug... I guess not? I'm told these transitions should be > as smooth as on the original CD. > > Please tell me this can be corrected somehow. There's no way I'm going > to re-rip 2000 CDs :( I've been having similar problems trying to get gapless playback from my monkeys audio files... The best i could get was quite a small gap, and i did this by using the directsound crossfading plugin, and setting gapless playback on in the settings. Does anybody know if monkeys, or flac for that matter, are meant to support gapless playback? Or do they suffer the same limitation that mp3 does? -- MarCn MarCn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37632 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
My guess is that there are some transcoding done by the server. Are you sure this is not the case? I have found that transcoding can get short gaps. Check the convert.conf file and check what the SB says under more info under now playing regarding the bitrate and file type. Also try to play the FLAC:s in Winamp, they should come out gapless. If you have gaps there, the error is in your FLACs already... (ie. re-rip) -- gonk Does this unit has a bad motivator? gonk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1271 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Yeah, I've reach out to Clive. Hopefully we can sort this out, it is more frustrating the more I think about it! ;-) -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537181 Wrote: > I don't know of a good way to send share two FLAC files. But, I can't > imagine anything being wrong with the files themselves. They are > ripped via the most standard way via EAC. I can't imagine anything being wrong with the files either. But it would sure be nice to explicitly test that hypothesis. Cliveb said you could PM (private message) him through this forum and he could provide you with a means for uploading some files. If other users find that they have your same problem but only with your files, then we know its the files. If they have no problem, then its not the files and we can help you explore other potential problems. But frankly, other than the volume adjustment hypothesis I started with, I'm stumped about what could cause this problem other than the files themselves. I hope I'm wrong about that! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Phil Leigh;537141 Wrote: > The vast majority of CD's don't need gapless playback anyway, since they > have some seconds of "dead time" between the tracks. I agree with that. Phil Leigh;537141 Wrote: > Anyway, I have many (>400) live albums that would give an extremely > noticeable transition if FLAC playback was truly NOT gapless...and it > is. > So your problem - if there is one - is not in the SB hardware or > software per se... So where does my problem lie? garym;537144 Wrote: > Hmmm, definitely not right. I see your point. A harsh "cut" transition. > This takes me back to my reel to reel tape splicing days in the 1960s! > > This helps, but I was also thinking in terms of you posting two actual > music files (or just the end of one and beginning of another) so that > others could see if the playback issue also happens on their machine. > Just trying to determine whether it is the files or the > software/hardware of player. I don't know of a good way to send share two FLAC files. But, I can't imagine anything being wrong with the files themselves. They are ripped via the most standard way via EAC. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537139 Wrote: > I'll try with winamp shortly... in the meantime here are some examples I > just shot. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efIOlBGoi9k > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmXz1xu7dI As garym says, these are definitely not right. This doesn't sound to me like a failure of the two tracks to line up - that would produce a "tick" or "click". What I'm hearing here sounds pretty much *exactly* like non-gapless playback of MP3. I'm not saying your files are MP3, of course, just that the effect sounds the same. To help us diagnose this problem, you really need to upload a pair of files to somewhere we can grab them. I'd suggest uploading the FLACs of "Speak To Me" and "Breathe". If you have nowhere to upload it, send me a PM and I'll give you an ID for my FTP site. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537139 Wrote: > I'll try with winamp shortly... in the meantime here are some examples I > just shot. Sorry, you'll have to turn up the volume a bit. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efIOlBGoi9k > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmXz1xu7dI Hmmm, definitely not right. I see your point. A harsh "cut" transition. This takes me back to my reel to reel tape splicing days in the 1960s! This helps, but I was also thinking in terms of you posting two actual music files (or just the end of one and beginning of another) so that others could see if the playback issue also happens on their machine. Just trying to determine whether it is the files or the software/hardware of player. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
The vast majority of CD's don't need gapless playback anyway, since they have some seconds of "dead time" between the tracks. Anyway, I have many (>400) live albums that would give an extremely noticeable transition if FLAC playback was truly NOT gapless...and it is. So your problem - if there is one - is not in the SB hardware or software per se... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
I'll try with winamp shortly... in the meantime here are some examples I just shot. Sorry, you'll have to turn up the volume a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efIOlBGoi9k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmXz1xu7dI -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
h. shouldn't be happening. Do you have anyplace you can post the portion of two songs that should be gapless for others to test (i.e., post the last few seconds of one track and the first few seconds of the following track). also, try converting the FLAC files to WAV and then playing the WAV files. Do you still hear transition. Also, play the FLAC files on foobar2000 or winamp or VLC (some player capable of FLAC). Do you also hear the transition when playing on the computer player. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
h. shouldn't be happening. Do you have anyplace you can post the portion of two songs that should be gapless for others to test (i.e., post the last few seconds of one track and the first few seconds of the following track). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
garym;537123 Wrote: > And no offense, but you really hear these transitions even when you are > not intently looking at the track timer anticipating the change and > wondering whether you hear something or not. You are saying that if you > put on Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road and listen, without watching > the timer, you hear something at track transition? Not to question > you, but the mind is a powerful thing when it comes to what we think we > hear. > > I have a transporter as well, and play flacs ripped with default > settings (no cue files) and stuff that is gapless plays gapless. No offense taken, I have always noticed this, and was commenting about "this is what gapless is like" when I was informed it shouldn't be like this. Yes, if I'm listening to Dark Side of The Moon, every time there is a song transition, there is a little 'glitch' in the music where it doesn't line up. Like a little break. Not a pause, just like two pieces of music that don't line up. All of the rips are from real CDs (that don't exhibit this problem), so no worries about files of indeterminate origin, etc. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
garym, see my settings above. I really don't want any Replaygain tags or other volume normalization. This phenomenon occurs over both analog/optical and BNC connections, straight to processor. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Aha. so your volume adjustment is set to off. So that's not it. And your crossfade is off so that's not it either. And no offense, but you really hear these transitions even when you are not intently looking at the track timer anticipating the change and wondering whether you hear something or not. You are saying that if you put on Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road and listen, without watching the timer, you hear something at track transition? Not to question you, but the mind is a powerful thing when it comes to what we think we hear. I have a transporter as well, and play flacs ripped with default settings (no cue files) and stuff that is gapless plays gapless. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537115 Wrote: > Thanks for your reply. I don't have any volume adjustment or leveling > turned on, that I am aware of. I can't even remember where that > setting is inside of the SS Web Control ;-) > > I tried to do everything by the book in EAC, very purist settings. > > With all that in mind, what is causing the problem? Ripping to FLAC (or LAME mp3 for that matter) with EAC is by default gapless. And, as I said, the volume adjustment at track changing could be causing your problem. And you don't know what your setting is, so the first thing I would do is look for this. Go into SbS web control, then settings>Player>Audio>volume adjustment and see what your settings happen to be. I recommend SMART GAIN if you have replaygain tags in your files. Do you? But to at least test things, set this to OFF and then try to see if you have these track transition issues. If you don't have replaygain tags, you can use FOOBAR2000 or dbpoweramp to add track/album replaygain tags to all our FLAC files in a batch approach (a few clicks then let it run) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Here are my audio settings: +---+ |Filename: SS.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9688| +---+ -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Thanks for your reply. I don't have any volume adjustment or leveling turned on, that I am aware of. I can't even remember where that setting is inside of the SS Web Control ;-) I tried to do everything by the book in EAC, very purist settings. With all that in mind, what is causing the problem? -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
You shouldn't need to rerip, as the approach you used should automatically get you gapless where it is supposed to be gapless. CUE sheets, etc. are NOT needed for proper gapless. One question, what is your volume adjustment/leveling set to? Off, album gain, track gain, or smart gain? If track gain, for example, the player is adjusting the volume of each track independently. This can often lead to noticing the transition from one track to another because of slight shifts in volume. Make sure it is set to either OFF or SMART GAIN. Smart gain uses track gain when playing a mixed album playlist and album gain when playing an entire album. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
Hi, I realize that this subject might (?) have been beaten to death already, but I'm really concerned now that I found out my set-up is not acting correct when it comes to gapless playback. I have about 2000 CDs ripped via EAC to FLAC, no CUE sheets. Playback is to Transporter, SB3, Boom, etc via SS7.5. For seamless albums like Dark Side of the Moon, there is a little break in between songs. Not a pause, but the music does not line up perfectly during the transition. I've been thinking all these years that it was normal, and since there was no "gap" per se, this *was* gapless playback. Shrug... I guess not? I'm told these transitions should be as smooth as on the original CD. Please tell me this can be corrected somehow. There's no way I'm going to re-rip 2000 CDs :( -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback
Although I don't really like the WMA format, I'm interested in figuring out if it's really gapless or not and what it would take for us to support it. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback
funkstar;348785 Wrote: > Please someone correct me if I'm wrong again, but I don't think WMA > files have any provision for being gappless at all, it's a bad format > in that regard. That was what i thought too. -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.2 (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback
andynormancx;348876 Wrote: > MP3 has no support for gapless, the Lame gapless support works, but it > is a hack rather than anything standard to the MP3 format. Oh absolutely, but at least it's documented and developers know how it works :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
