[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
ceejay;152432 Wrote: Agreed. Also strange as it clearly isn't happening for most other users! What OS? Which version of SS, exactly? What file type? If MP3, might you have both v1 and v2 tags? Do you have any playlists? Using iTunes? I discovered what was causing the problem. The problem, again, was that songs were showing up two or three times when I would open or play an album. The culprit: I had cyclical (redundant) shortcuts to certain music folders. Since I can only specify one folder for Slimserver to scan, I plugged shortcuts into that folder, directing the server to other folders. What I failed to realize is that I had duplicate shortcuts, leading to the same folder. With previous versions of Slimserver, this wasn't an issue - it knew that the shortcuts pointed to the same file, and included the file only once in the database. With 6.5, it counts the file with each scan. Long story short: if your playlists show the same file multiple times, I recommend checking your shortcuts. Chris -- benthos benthos's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
ceejay;152432 Wrote: What OS? Which version of SS, exactly? What file type? If MP3, might you have both v1 and v2 tags? Do you have any playlists? Using iTunes? OS = Windows XP File types = flac - all flac tracks show up either two or three times - I can't see any discernible difference between the ones that show 2 times and those that show 3 times; mp3 - mp3 tracks evidently only show up twice. Almost all of my recordings in flac have an .m3u file in their folder, but this is not always the case with the mp3 recordings. The mp3 files mostly have both v1 and v2 tags. ceejay;152432 Wrote: One interesting (and easy) test would be to create a new music folder and just copy one or two albums into it. Make sure that you don't have any playlists in play. Then point SS at that folder as its library, turn on some debugging flags (d_scan at least, you could also search the forum for other suggestions), do a full clear and rescan and see what happens (look in the log file which is accessible from the debugging page). I don't really understand this. I'm not technically adept when it comes to things like debugging, I wouldn't even know where to start. -- benthos benthos's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
benthos;152423 Wrote: It's ridiculous. Agreed. Also strange as it clearly isn't happening for most other users! What OS? Which version of SS, exactly? What file type? If MP3, might you have both v1 and v2 tags? Do you have any playlists? Using iTunes? One interesting (and easy) test would be to create a new music folder and just copy one or two albums into it. Make sure that you don't have any playlists in play. Then point SS at that folder as its library, turn on some debugging flags (d_scan at least, you could also search the forum for other suggestions), do a full clear and rescan and see what happens (look in the log file which is accessible from the debugging page). HTH Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
slimpy;144904 Wrote: Yes, you have to relocate them. There were some considerable changes in 6.5 regarding the handling of compilation albums and common album names. In 6.3 you had to specify every album name that existed in your library more than once, e.g. Greatest Hits. If you didn't these albums were treated as compilation albums. This was quite cumbersome and did not follow common sense: Why should an album be treated as a compilation only because there is another album with the same name by a different artist. e.g I have three albums called The Antidote by three different artists. Slimserver now only treats albums as compilations if they have different artists and the files are in the same directory. This is only a problem for people who strictly follow the /artist/album/song structure and even split up compilation albums. I suggest you create an artist directory called Various artists and regroup your compilation albums under this entry. Another (unverified) solution you might want to try: Tag all compilation tracks with the COMPILATION=1 tag. I'm not sure if this works though as I haven't actually tried it. But telling slimserver explicitely to treat these tracks as compilation could do the trick. -s. I don't think the COMPILATION flag alone will solve this, but I've been using it along with a DISC tag which does seem to work. Just set the DISC tag the same for each track. I use: COMPILATION=1 DISC=0 I use 0 to differentiate from true multi disc sets, where I do uses DISC and DISCC. There doesn't seem to be any need for DISCC in this case, and I'm not sure if the COMPILATION tag is even needed. When I do this, I don't even see a disc number in the song info. I don't know whether it's because there is no DISCC tag, or because the DISC tag is 0. -- timrfletcher timrfletcher's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
For the record: I've installed the new 6.5, and I'm having this same problem. Every song shows up 3 times, even though it's the same song, from the same album, and the same file directory - every one of them shows up in triplicate. It's a major drag - to listen to an album the way it's supposed to be heard, without playing each song 3 times in a row, I have to manually x out all of the duplicates from my playlist. It's ridiculous. -- benthos benthos's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Having upgraded to version 6.5.1 I'm having the same issues reported here with duplicate album names. I have tried a complete un-install of SlimServer and deleting the associated program directories, but still my complimation albums list for each and every artist. ie 20 tracks = 20 albums In 'Home/Server Settings/Behavior' I have selected 'Group complimation albums together' although I'm not so sure what setting to use for the following: 'Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be listed under that band name or with the other artists for that album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the album artist in some software' My understanding is that the core artist name would be 'Various' an that band is the Album Artist... Slimserver does not exactly make any of this clear. Needless to say it all worked fine in 6.3.1 I use TagRename for file management and my file format is entirely flac, my directory structure is \artist\album\track. Any suggestions would be appreciated -- repman repman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
repman;144864 Wrote: Having upgraded to version 6.5.1 I'm having the same issues reported here with duplicate album names. I have tried a complete un-install of SlimServer and deleting the associated program directories, but still my complimation albums list for each and every artist. ie 20 tracks = 20 albums In 'Home/Server Settings/Behavior' I have selected 'Group complimation albums together' although I'm not so sure what setting to use for the following: 'Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be listed under that band name or with the other artists for that album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the album artist in some software' My understanding is that the core artist name would be 'Various' an that band is the Album Artist... Slimserver does not exactly make any of this clear. Needless to say it all worked fine in 6.3.1 I use TagRename for file management and my file format is entirely flac, my directory structure is \artist\album\track. Are all songs from one compilation album in the same directory. They need to be in order to be recognized as belonging to the same album. If they are in different directories it isn't possible for slimserver to tell if they belong to a compilation album or if they are just different albums with the same name. Regarding the TPE2 tag have a look at this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28261 -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
slimpy;144886 Wrote: Are all songs from one compilation album in the same directory. They need to be in order to be recognized as belonging to the same album. If they are in different directories it isn't possible for slimserver to tell if they belong to a compilation album or if they are just different albums with the same name. Regarding the TPE2 tag have a look at this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28261 -s. Slimpy - I understand what you are saying, and all of my compilation tracks are in individual artist folders (and therefore repeated same albums). It still does not explain why it worked in 6.3.1 but not 6.5.1. does this now mean I have to re-locate all compilation files...? -- repman repman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
repman;144895 Wrote: Slimpy - I understand what you are saying, and all of my compilation tracks are in individual artist folders (and therefore repeated same albums). It still does not explain why it worked in 6.3.1 but not 6.5.1. does this now mean I have to re-locate all compilation files...? Yes, you have to relocate them. There were some considerable changes in 6.5 regarding the handling of compilation albums and common album names. In 6.3 you had to specify every album name that existed in your library more than once, e.g. Greatest Hits. If you didn't these albums were treated as compilation albums. This was quite cumbersome and did not follow common sense: Why should an album be treated as a compilation only because there is another album with the same name by a different artist. e.g I have three albums called The Antidote by three different artists. Slimserver now only treats albums as compilations if they have different artists and the files are in the same directory. This is only a problem for people who strictly follow the /artist/album/song structure and even split up compilation albums. I suggest you create an artist directory called Various artists and regroup your compilation albums under this entry. Another (unverified) solution you might want to try: Tag all compilation tracks with the COMPILATION=1 tag. I'm not sure if this works though as I haven't actually tried it. But telling slimserver explicitely to treat these tracks as compilation could do the trick. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
slimpy;144904 Wrote: Another (unverified) solution you might want to try: Tag all compilation tracks with the COMPILATION=1 tag. I'm not sure if this works though as I haven't actually tried it. But telling slimserver explicitely to treat these tracks as compilation could do the trick. -s. This did not work for me due to the music being spead over vartious directories. For all compilations albums each with their own directory it works fine (i.e. cures multiple listings of compilation albums). -- ModelCitizen Why does it always happen to me? Squeezebox3 (with linear PSU) Benchmark Dac1 Naim NAC 82 Naim NAP 250 Shahinian Arcs. Plus other annoying black boxes Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
After having some duplicate album issues myself, I think I finally found out what was causing them. Somehow, some of the tracks had V1 and V2 tags. Removing the V1 tags solved the problem. I used a program called Dr Tag to do it - I did try to do the same with MP3Tag but for some reason it didn't properly delete them. -- NeilB NeilB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Thanks for the suggestion. I too use Dr Tag and validated that most (if not all) of my albums only have one type of tag (some are V1 and some are V2 if that matters). Regardless, nothing has changed about the tags of my albums since before I upgraded to 6.5.0. I tried deleting everything in my SlimServer Server cache folder within my slimserver installation, then setting my folders to a folder with no songs, and clearing the library. That resulted in an empty library. But when I pointed my playlists folder back to where I actually keep my music (on an external hard drive) it rescanned and each song showed up three times again. I'm dumbfounded. -- bossman bossman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7853 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
I do not have any playlists or musicmagic -- used a tag editor to clean up the tags and folders containing all my songs, and it gets rid of playlists. ITunes is installed on my computer but I have Do Not Use Itunes chosen in my General Server Settings. Everything about my configuration is the same (as far as I know) as it was with previous versions of SlimServer, where I did not see this behavior. -- bossman bossman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7853 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Hi. I've had a number of versions of slimserver over time, but when I upgraded to 6.5 and rescanned my music library, many albums (not just compilations) suddenly show three listings for every single individual song. Albums are only listed once. So, for example, if I go into an album with 11 songs (and I've validated that there are only 11 files), each song shows up three times for a total of 33 songs. When I look at song info for the dupes, they show the same path and the rest of the info is identical. I've clear the library and rescanned a couple times, and I get the same effect. My SlimServer is running on Windows XP. All of my music is under a single directory on an external hard drive. I don't have any playlists and I use a tag editor to clean up the tags. From the URL's that I see when I hover over each song in the SlimServer interface, it makes it look like it scanned the library three times consecutively or something. Hard to tell. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- bossman bossman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7853 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
On 10/6/06, bossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi.I've had a number of versions of slimserver over time, but when Iupgraded to 6.5 and rescanned my music library, many albums (not justcompilations) suddenly show three listings for every single individualsong.Albums are only listed once.So, for example, if I go into analbum with 11 songs (and I've validated that there are only 11 files), each song shows up three times for a total of 33 songs.When I look atsong info for the dupes, they show the same path and the rest of theinfo is identical.I've clear the library and rescanned a couple times, and I get the same effect.My SlimServer is running on Windows XP.All of my music is under asingle directory on an external hard drive.I don't have any playlistsand I use a tag editor to clean up the tags.From the URL's that I see when I hover over each song in the SlimServer interface, it makes it look like it scanned the library three timesconsecutively or something.Hard to tell.Any suggestions?Do you have playlists? How about iTunes or MusicMagic or similar? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Have a close look at the file path on the song info page for both the entry from the playlist and the library. Do they differ in any way? -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Wow, good call. The songs in the dupe album point to the location on a previous hard drive where I kept music before upgrading to the 6.5 version. That hard drive is still online and accessible by the Slimserver, so Slim doesn't appear to think anything is wrong or obsolete about that location. The songs in the real album point to the correct location. So, it would seem by induction that the Playlists entries continue to point to the original location of the song in the playlist (which makes sense I guess since the playlist has no way of knowing the music has moved and re-pointing, does it?). And since that location is still available, the music is getting scanned. An interesting conundrum - if you move you music directory, is there no way to update playlists with new locations, or do playlists have to be manually recreated? Thanks for the great diagnostic direction! -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
joncourage;142021 Wrote: Wow, good call. The songs in the dupe album point to the location on a previous hard drive where I kept music before upgrading to the 6.5 version. That hard drive is still online and accessible by the Slimserver, so Slim doesn't appear to think anything is wrong or obsolete about that location. The songs in the real album point to the correct location. So, it would seem by induction that the Playlists entries continue to point to the original location of the song in the playlist (which makes sense I guess since the playlist has no way of knowing the music has moved and re-pointing, does it?). And since that location is still available, the music is getting scanned. An interesting conundrum - if you move you music directory, is there no way to update playlists with new locations, or do playlists have to be manually recreated? Thanks for the great diagnostic direction! Glad to be of any help. Playlists are basically just text files. Search the internet for a text editor that can replace text in multiple files at once, open all playlists in the text editor and replace the changed part of the file path. This is certainly easier than recreating all playlists. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Once again slimpy - awesome. Thanks so much! -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Well done, slimpy - another fine example of how great this community is! Now, how do we keep other unwary users from running into this problem? Is it a bug? Or an enhancement request? Any of our friends from SD care to chime in here? -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Just upgraded to 6.5 (uninstalled 6.3.1 then fresh install of 6.5) and am having a duplicate album problem but not for compilations. I get a duplicate entry for a single-artist single-album, sometimes with a few songs only in the dupe (all songs show in the main) or sometimes all songs showing in the dupe. Anyone know of a fix for this? (haven't tried a clear and re-scan yet) -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
further info. all dupe albums are albums containing songs that are found in some playlist. I would venture that all songs in playlists have resulted in album dupes. -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Thank you for this thread on compilations. I have followed the procedure and it works for me as well. One consequence of this that I had not anticipated was that tracks for artists in the Various Artists folder do not appear now under Browse Artists unless I go to Various Artists under Browse Artists. And even in that case, the listing is by album, not artist. So, I can no longer go to Browse Artist and browse all songs in my collection by Artist. Is there a server setting that I can change that will allow all tracks to show up under each Artist when in Browse Artists? -- mdw mdw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Server Settings - Behavior - Compilations - List compilation albums under each artist -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Thank you. It turns out that I had the incorrect file permissions on my slimserver.conf file so that when I had selected the Behavior parameter as you suggest, it didn't write it to the config file. I saved the change again after a chmod and it works now. Thanks! -- mdw mdw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
norderney;139127 Wrote: So with Compilation tag set to YES, should the various artists album only appear once even though the tracks are spread out over various folders? The only option is to go through the very laborious task of cutting and pasting the tracks for each various artists album into single folders for each album? You need to put all the tracks belonging to the same album into one single folder, regardless if it's a various artists or multi disc album. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Multi-disc collections don't have to be in a single directory: they can be split across a directory for each disc. -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
This is now working for me: I happen to have my compilation albums (where there are multiple artists) grouped under a directory called Various Artists then the album name, otherwise all albums are grouped under the artist name. For all compilation albums, each track has the tag Compilation, which is set to 1. For albums that are multi-disk, I added: Discc=the total number of discs in the set Discnumber=the number of the disc the track belongs to I have group compilations albums together AND Treat multi-disk albums as one album. I did a complete re-scan and hey presto everything is working as it should be: you get one entry for a multi disk album, which when selected lists all the tracks from all the discs in set. Chris. -- chris.mason chris.mason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3323 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
When using the DISCC/DISCNUMBER tags there is no need to have all tracks numbered contiguously. Tracks on the second disc can start with 1 again. Slimserver orders them correctly (DISCNUMBER, TRACKNUMBER). -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
I assume you mean that SlimServer doesn't actually renumber the tracks for you while browsing them, just then they are shown in the correct order...e.g. disc no - track no. song title I *did* have my albums numbered contiguously, but since I've figured out how to get this working (thanks to this thread), I've renumbered them all from 1. -- chris.mason chris.mason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3323 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
No, Slimserver doesn't renumber the tracks but it shows all tracks from disc 1 then disc 2 starting with track 1 again. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Hello HTH Where do I find the COMPILATION=1 tag I am not seeing it in my tagger program Thanks Johnathan Hello Siduhe, Sunday, September 24, 2006, 12:04:46 AM, you wrote: Try setting COMPILATION=1 ? That is the tag (introduced around 6.3.1 I think) which seems to sort most people out. HTH -- Best regards, Johnathanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Hi Jonathan, Which tagging program are you using ? You may need something like Foobar2000 or mp3tag. Have you also seen smc's post about adding the DISCC / DISCNUMBER tag for those that aren't by various artists bu where you have multiple discs ? add a tag to each track DISCC=1 and DISCNUMBER=1 or 2 as appropriate. Note that these tags certainly work for flac and ogg. -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
I have a similar problem. I originally started ripping various artist compilation albums into individual artist folders. When I upgraded to ver 6.3 I discovered that this was causing problems, so found out that there was a field called compilation and by setting it to YES, I found all my various artist albums only appeared once each. However, since upgrading to ver 6.5 I am once again getting the same album title appearing multiple times. What is this about setting Compilation to 1? I use tagrename and it will only allow Compilation to be yes or no, not 1! -- norderney norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
So with Compilation tag set to YES, should the various artists album only appear once even though the tracks are spread out over various folders? The only option is to go through the very laborious task of cutting and pasting the tracks for each various artists album into single folders for each album? -- norderney norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
norderney;139127 Wrote: So with Compilation tag set to YES, should the various artists album only appear once even though the tracks are spread out over various folders? The only option is to go through the very laborious task of cutting and pasting the tracks for each various artists album into single folders for each album? You'll also need to set Group Compilation Albums Together under Server Settings Behaviour. If you do want to get all those tracks back in one album, using a tagging tool (see http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToTagging) can automatically do this for you: no need for a laborious cut paste. -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
But Compilation tag is set to YES on all tracks on these various artist albums. What else can I do? -- norderney norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
So you have set Group Compilation Albums Together in Server Settings and have compilation set to YES and you still don't have them grouped together? I'd be interested to know whether it's actually set to 1 and TagRename is displaying it as 'Yes'. Try mp3tag (it's free), select a track and press alt-T and you'll see the literal tag content (there may be a way to do this in TagRename, but I'm not sure). Finally, since setting the tags and the Slimserver Settings have you done a clear and rescan? If you still have no joy, I think you will need to put albums in a single directory, but this is a fairly simple task using a tagging tools: just select all your tracks and then rename the files based on tags to, say, Various Artists\%album%\%tracknum% - %artist% - %title% and Bob's your uncle. -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
I'm seeing this behaviour as well. I've just upgraded to 6.5.0 from 6.3.1 on Windows XP (sp2). I have a number of compilation albums spread across two or more disks. On the hard drive, they are structured thus: d:\music\flac\The Greatest Songs (Disk 1) d:\music\flac\The Greatest Songs (Disl 2) and each track is tagged thus: ALBUM = The Greatest Songs Under 6.3.1 I wanted these multi-disk albums to appear as one big album, (but still have the albums as their seperate CDs on the hard disk) so I made sure the tracks were numbered contiguously, such that track one on disk 2 would actually be numbered as the last track number from disk 1, plus one. This all worked correctly under 6.3.1. Now with 6.5.0, I get an album entry for each disk, regardless of how I set behaviour. This is a completely fresh install, and I've tried rescanning from scratch several times. My guess is that 6.5.0 introduces support for some further ID3 tags concerning compilation albums. Can anybody say what these tags are, or if this is indeed the case? Many thanks, Chris. -- chris.mason chris.mason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3323 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Try setting COMPILATION=1 ? That is the tag (introduced around 6.3.1 I think) which seems to sort most people out. HTH -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
Only use the compilation=1 tag for various artists. For multi-disc albums, add a tag to each track DISCC=1 and DISCNUMBER=1 or 2 as appropriate. Note that these tags certainly work for flac and ogg. For mp3 you are probably better off using DISC instead of DISCNUMBER. I'd been using the 6.5 beta for a while prior to release and this works well. I think earlier versions did more guessing, while 6.5 needs to be told! -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27746 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate Albums
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[slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
kdf, Bingo! The files in question all had the Composer tag valued and that was causing them to appear in the artists list of albums and also the composers list of albums. I tried changing the setting under Behavior to not include composer, band and orchestra but that had no affect (even after clearing the cache). Only way to fix the problem was to clear out the Composer tag in all the files and clear the cache out and rescan the library. Everything is working fine nowthanks for the help. -- jwgraves ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
cdfreak Wrote: It's not a bug per se, more of the way Slimserver does the albums. It already knows to look for Greatest Hits and Best of as an album name and split the albums out...but others (ie, Footprints in your case) will show up in the same list when browse by album is chosen. In slimserver.. server settings...behavior there is a section called Common Album Titles. You'll see Greatest Hits, Best of, and Live already listed there. Add Footprints (and any other duped album names) to the list, click change, and then do a cache wipe and re-scan. It should hopefully put them in seperate folders now. I'd add Best Of, The Best of, The Best Of as well... hope it helps! Thanks for the response, but I don't think that's what is happening here. The album is not duplicated, the song title is. In my example, Footprints is on Miles Davis' album Miles Smiles and is also on Wayne Shorter's album Adams Apple, so I can't add an album called Footprints to the 'Common Album Titles' section. Is Slimserver truly reading the MP3 tags or does it create it's music database from the directory structure? It is definitely a bug (IMHO) because when I view an artist, Slimserver will show an album that is not by that artist, all because in that album is a song title that also happens to be by the original artist. This is wrong and does not happen on any other music software I use (including portable music players). -- jwgraves ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
Quoting jwgraves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is Slimserver truly reading the MP3 tags or does it create it's music database from the directory structure? yes, it definitely does use the tags. Only when no valid tags can be found, will it then use something based on directory structure and matching the patterns set in server settings, formats, Guess Tags. It is definitely a bug (IMHO) because when I view an artist, Slimserver will show an album that is not by that artist, all because in that album is a song title that also happens to be by the original artist. This is wrong and does not happen on any other music software I use (including portable music players). I'd suggest that you check your tags first. The server will look for other contributor tags, such as composer, band, orig artist etc. Those are included as 'artists' for the purposes of browse by artist and more. There is a server setting for this under server settings, behavior (I think, might be another tab). The setting is Composer in Artists. You may have to rescan (or even wipe cache) after changing this setting to reindex all the artist info from your songs. If you do eventually determine that this is now happening, please do file a bug report and attach the two files in question that highlight this effect. cheers, kdf -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
--- Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:47 -0400, ron thigpen wrote: Pat Farrell wrote: The standard way most software on the 'net identifies a CD is using the CDDB hash, which is not unique, neither is any rational combination of artist/album names. this is just a hash of the CD title track data isn't it? it might not do the trick all by itself, but if it exists it would be a very strong hint. hash/ID collisions should be reasonably rare. but not everyone's tracks will have this tag. It is not about the name or title. And it is not associated with the specific track/song It is a hash calculated from the number of tracks and the length of each track. Since lots of pop/rock/country CDs have around 10 songs and the songs are about 3 minutes long each, there are a lot of collisions in those types of songs. In other areas, like Classical Symphonies, there are usually only 6 movements per Album, and there is a fair amount of variance, so you don't see that many conflicts. I don't know what the actual statistics are, but when you use any of the rippers that talk to CDDB (or freedb) to get track info, you see it 'frequently' pop up a selection dialog box to let the user resolve the collisions. yes. CDDB has many collisions because it's a very bad hash. it doesn't use enough bits from the CD TOC and the hashing formula is naive. but there are better ones, like CDindex, which uses most of the TOC bits and SHA-1 for the hash. I use a similar hash for my own collection (which uses even more TOC bits and a slightly better message formulation). practically speaking collisions with these hashes only occur for CDs with identical TOCs. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/wiki.pl?DiscIDCalculation Josh __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
It's not a bug per se, more of the way Slimserver does the albums. It already knows to look for Greatest Hits and Best of as an album name and split the albums out...but others (ie, Footprints in your case) will show up in the same list when browse by album is chosen. In slimserver.. server settings...behavior there is a section called Common Album Titles. You'll see Greatest Hits, Best of, and Live already listed there. Add Footprints (and any other duped album names) to the list, click change, and then do a cache wipe and re-scan. It should hopefully put them in seperate folders now. I'd add Best Of, The Best of, The Best Of as well... hope it helps! -- cdfreak ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
But if you constrain by both album and artist, you'll have 10-15 of each compilation cd, and some soundtracks. In this case, you'd need to have a tag specified for cdartist (Various Artists) or to somehow note that it is a compilation cd or multiple artist album. Or, you could rename the album to be more than just the common name, like Footsteps to be Artist - Footsteps. But this would make displaying look rather poor when it says Miles Davis - Footsteps by Miles Davis. There's not a very easy solution from a database perspective without a field that is album unique. If it doesn't come from the id3 tag it needs to come from the file/folder location. Going by *folder* giving each folder an ID# in the database, and everything in that folder is an album might work, but it would need to make sure you were at the lowest level of folders so someone with Music/A/Aerosmith/Toys in the Attic hierarchy is covered as well as people who have just Music/A/Aerosmith - Toys in the Attic or (heaven forbid) Music/Aerosmith - Toys in the Attic. No idea what the workload cost would be using one method of scanning vs the other though. -- cdfreak ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
i wrote too quickly. to be more precise, i should have said: the SQL that populates this display should be constraining by an ID unique to this album cdfreak wrote: But if you constrain by both album and artist, you'll have 10-15 of each compilation cd, and some soundtracks. In this case, you'd need to have a tag specified for cdartist (Various Artists) or to somehow note that it is a compilation cd or multiple artist album. you're right. various artists albums are a special case. SS needs to deal with this case generally. once that is done, then it should take care of this case as well. it seems like a workable approach to this problem should already exist. do the standard tagging systems have a marker for compilations? how do other library management and playback applications deal with issue? Or, you could rename the album to be more than just the common name, like Footsteps to be Artist - Footsteps. But this would make displaying look rather poor when it says Miles Davis - Footsteps by Miles Davis. could work, but seems a horrible hack. There's not a very easy solution from a database perspective without a field that is album unique. If it doesn't come from the id3 tag it needs to come from the file/folder location. is there no unique album key in the SS DB schema? that's a real weakness. i can see why it would be hard to nail down, as most audio files are track-based and not album-based. a key based on uniqueness of Artist-Album concatenation might be good enough once the V/A problem is addressed. Going by *folder* giving each folder an ID# in the database, [...] any solution that relies on identifying unique albums by path is going to fail for users that don't follow the expected conventions. i suppose it would be possible to allow user to enter custom masks to hint this type of interpretation. thoughts? --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:19 -0400, ron thigpen wrote: the SQL that populates this display should be constraining by an ID unique to this album is there no unique album key in the SS DB schema? that's a real weakness. i can see why it would be hard to nail down, as most audio files are track-based and not album-based. I haven't looked at the source recently, that is what the developers list is about, but it sure had it when I last looked. a key based on uniqueness of Artist-Album concatenation might be good enough once the V/A problem is addressed. This is really a hard problem. The standard way most software on the 'net identifies a CD is using the CDDB hash, which is not unique, neither is any rational combination of artist/album names. While most people don't have duplicate copies of CDs on their shelves (For some reason, I have half a dozen where I forgot that I bought it already) if you look at any large collection, you will see identical CDs that are different. Due to lots of reasons, sometimes they even have differing UPC codes, shorter or longer songs, etc. Kinda like how we identify people by their name when we know that Pat Farrell is hardly unique. One of the beauties of moving SS 6.* to using Sql is that you don't need a solution that is 100% applicable out of the box. Special cases can be handled special. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
Pat Farrell wrote: I haven't looked at the source recently, that is what the developers list is about, but it sure had it when I last looked. if true, that's good news. any idea on how the value is set? (happy to move the thread if this gets annoying...) a key based on uniqueness of Artist-Album concatenation might be good enough once the V/A problem is addressed. This is really a hard problem. yeah, i understand just enough about this to see how it would be hard. it helps that SS can probably just shoot for uniqueness _within the music library_ and not in the world. also, i'm not sure uniqueness would need to span refreshes of the database. for purposes of the SS UI, it just needs to be a pointer to a group of track files. the issue is how to define the boundaries of these file groups based solely on information available in the tags (and perhaps pathname). The standard way most software on the 'net identifies a CD is using the CDDB hash, which is not unique, neither is any rational combination of artist/album names. this is just a hash of the CD title track data isn't it? it might not do the trick all by itself, but if it exists it would be a very strong hint. hash/ID collisions should be reasonably rare. but not everyone's tracks will have this tag. is this working any differently for those using iTunes integration? --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
This is a problem that I had incurred when sharing the music library on my network with my Windows Media Center computer and its MY MUSIC portion of the GUI/Player. Windows MCE uses Windows Media Player on the back-end for its library (which acts somewhat differently than the plain ole Windows Medis Player itself). The issue of multiple album listings of a single album occurred when the ALBUM ARTIST field was empty OR was improperly populated by the artist of that particular song instead of a generic field like 'COMPILATION' or 'VARIOUS ARTISTS' Windows media center populates its album listing FIRST by the ALBUM ARTIST tag. Once this issue had wreaked havoc on my Media Center, the solution was as simple as going back through my compilations (and eventually the entire library) and making sure the ALBUM ARTIST field was populated correctly. Anything that was a soundtrack, I populated as 'SOUNDTRACK' in the ALBUM ARTIST field... same for TRIBUTE albums, COMPILATION, etc. This alleviated several issues with the way MCE listed ALBUMS: It solved the issue of having albums of the same title from a single artist mixed together with a single compilation album of the same title. It also alleviated the 'GREATEST HITS' issue as well as the issue of a 12-track compilation album being displayed as 12 separate albums of the same title. This extra field has saved my library in Windows Media Center and it seems that it may be of use with Slim Server. As an added precaution, in the case of a GREATEST HITS fiasco, I also named every common album title with an added Identifier i.e., GREATEST HITS: ARTIST in the ALBUM field. My $.02 -- D -- Dondi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:47 -0400, ron thigpen wrote: Pat Farrell wrote: The standard way most software on the 'net identifies a CD is using the CDDB hash, which is not unique, neither is any rational combination of artist/album names. this is just a hash of the CD title track data isn't it? it might not do the trick all by itself, but if it exists it would be a very strong hint. hash/ID collisions should be reasonably rare. but not everyone's tracks will have this tag. It is not about the name or title. And it is not associated with the specific track/song It is a hash calculated from the number of tracks and the length of each track. Since lots of pop/rock/country CDs have around 10 songs and the songs are about 3 minutes long each, there are a lot of collisions in those types of songs. In other areas, like Classical Symphonies, there are usually only 6 movements per Album, and there is a fair amount of variance, so you don't see that many conflicts. I don't know what the actual statistics are, but when you use any of the rippers that talk to CDDB (or freedb) to get track info, you see it 'frequently' pop up a selection dialog box to let the user resolve the collisions. Some metadata taggers store the value in the MP3/ogg/flac files, others seem to not bother. It is really an album characteristic, not a song/track characteristic. An additional problem is that the cddb data (and the freedb data) is not very clean. For many albums that I've prepared, the dialog box from CDex will show three names that are clearly the same album to a person, but that have differing genres, or punctuation of the names (all the stuff that started this thread). Still, it is a start, and with a little careful mangling, you could probably automate 99% of the cases. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
Pat Farrell wrote: It is not about the name or title. And it is not associated with the specific track/song all info concerning CDDB ID acknowledged. fit w/ what i know about it. i'm not sure the CDDB ID is the best SS-AlbumID candidate, but i do think the approach has merit. problems with using CDDB directly include all of it's warts: needs external access, requires writing to a track's tag data, is only best gathered at CD Rip time, may be missing in many files, and may not be in a standard tag. what i was thinking of would be more of an analogue of that approach, implemented in SS. while scanning tags, SS would look at a minimally sufficient amount of tag and pathname data to identify albums. some rules might need to fire to use different seed data for certain variants (ex: if composer not null use composer, if compilation ignore artist, etc). some condenation or has of this reviewed data could be stored in the SS DB. it wouldn't make a good candidate Albums PK, but could prove useful in doing 'SELECT DISTINCT's. it would still depend on having pretty tight tags, but that's unavoidable. just thinking out loud. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
jwgraves Wrote: Here's the problem. When 'browsing artists' a number of albums that are not by that artist appear in the list. If I click on the album title, I then see a few songs (not all of them) with the other artists name displayed. I have finally seen the pattern here. The duplicate albums or songs are always titles that just happen to exist on an album by BOTH artists. For example: Footprints by Wayne Shorter and also by Miles Davis, on different albums. When viewing albums by Wayne Shorter I see all of his albums PLUS the one additional album by Miles Davis that also has a track called Footprints. On a similar note, I'd like to see a change happen where we could have some way to tag albums by different artists that have the same name as different. SlimServer really only works on the album name, so Up by Great Big Sea and Up by Peter Gabriel should get marked as separate albums, but if you Browse by Album, you go into Up and see all the songs. And worse, you see them in track order, so you see track 1 from one album, track 1 from the other, track 2 from the first, track 2 from the second, etc, etc, etc... It would be nice to be able to add some sort of AlbumID tag to work around this. -- kolding ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Duplicate albums titles from tags
kolding Wrote: On a similar note, I'd like to see a change happen where we could have some way to tag albums by different artists that have the same name as different. SlimServer really only works on the album name, so Up by Great Big Sea and Up by Peter Gabriel should get marked as separate albums, but if you Browse by Album, you go into Up and see all the songs. And worse, you see them in track order, so you see track 1 from one album, track 1 from the other, track 2 from the first, track 2 from the second, etc, etc, etc... It would be nice to be able to add some sort of AlbumID tag to work around this. This is exactly what the ALBUM ARTIST field is for and most Tagging applications already utilize this field i.e., TagRename for example. -- Dondi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
