[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Sch;162639 Wrote: I am looking for a box, that does with video what squeezebox does with audio. Apple's pending iTV product is encouraging. The real question, which has yet to be answered, is can it steam media files from a generic file server or does it require an OS X installation somewhere on the network to enable playback. The latter is more probable and for me a deal killer. Although I do run OS X, I don't want my desktops to be in the repository/streaming business. -- bishopdonmiguel bishopdonmiguel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=278 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Sch;162639 Wrote: Any Video Slimdevice in development ? Slim Devices, wisely, does not comment on products in development. The subject of video is pretty controversial around here. Slim Devices' expertise lies in audio, not video. Compared to video, the audio-only market is so small that a lot of people would not want to see Slim go into video, slowing down or halting development of their audio products. Or any other boxes you can suggest ? There was a brief discussion, software only, here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30557 -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
bishopdonmiguel wrote: Sch;162639 Wrote: I am looking for a box, that does with video what squeezebox does with audio. Apple's pending iTV product is encouraging. The real question, which has yet to be answered, is can it steam media files from a generic file server or does it require an OS X installation somewhere on the network to enable playback. The latter is more probable and for me a deal killer. Although I do run OS X, I don't want my desktops to be in the repository/streaming business. Oh great, another Apple product full of DRM, proprietary technology and patents, no doubt... Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Step 1: Buy an old Xbox from eBay, craigslist, or a neighborhood Gamestop. Step 2: Hack Xbox and drop the acclaimed hackware Xbox Media Center (XBMC) on it. Great directions can be found here-- http://www.productwiki.com/microsoft_xbox/article/how_to_go_from_xbox_to_xbox_media_center_in_30_minutes.html Step 3: There is no step 3. Once you've got XBMC on, you really don't have to dork with it. Seriously, XBMC is what you want. It will stream any video in any format on to your TV. It is just dropjaw fantastic software. I'm a linux guy, and I'm telling you, you want XBMC. There is no better and cheaper way to do what you want than XBMC. #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
XMBC was one of my options, along with the KISS DP558, but the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) isn't exactly great on the Xbox, and the DP558 lacks on the streaming (I will have to upload the video's to the 558). But thanks for the input. Keep em' comming :) The MythTV Backend/Frontend solution is OK, but the interface of mythTV is an OSD thing - I would prefer a LED thing as the one the squeezebox. And if they could share remote... Oh joy ! -- Sch -- Søren Schrøder. Happy Squeezebox2 user on FreeBSD Sch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8991 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Peter;162648 Wrote: All TV's have a SB3 next to them that can control MythTV with the remote. Now we are talking... I think I have to revisit MythTV. That is, unless I can find that magic HW box that does it all. -- Sch -- Søren Schrøder. Happy Squeezebox2 user on FreeBSD Sch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8991 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Sch wrote: The MythTV Backend/Frontend solution is OK, but the interface of mythTV is an OSD thing - I would prefer a LED thing as the one the squeezebox. And if they could share remote... Oh joy ! Sharing a remote is easy -- both slimserver and myth (well, LIRC) have fully customizable IR interfaces. As for an off-screen interface for myth, well, I can't really see why you'd want that -- you've already got the TV on to watch TV, so the OSD interface seems quite natural to me. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Sch;162650 Wrote: XMBC was one of my options, along with the KISS DP558, but the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) isn't exactly great on the Xbox Hmmm...well, I can tell you that WAF on XBMC is typically very, very high after installation. It's just dead simple to use, and you can buy a $15 XBOX DVD remote to control the whole thing. I have a friend that even got a Logitech Harmony remote to learn XBMC with no issue. My wife thought I was insane to be scouring craigslist for an Xbox when video games hold about as much interest to me as watching paint dry. She's totally behind it now that she's seen (and used) XBMC. #!/ben (fwiw, I'd be jazzed to see a Slim offering like you described, and would probably consider buying one, esp. if it supported HD) -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Peter;162649 Wrote: Oh great, another Apple product full of DRM, proprietary technology and patents, no doubt...I do understand your point. Agreed, DRM and proprietary stuff is evil. But I'm driven more by pragmatism than idealism. As long as it also plays non-DRM content (feature details as yet unknown), who cares? Personally, I don't like tweaking these toys. Despite my affection for the Squeezebox (I have 3), tweaking is the main reason I look for replacements. There always seems to be some issue that works it's way into the software that I have to work around. So, my quest for the NMF (near maintenance free) solution continues. -- bishopdonmiguel bishopdonmiguel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=278 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Go to http://www.mpcclub.com/ You will find lots of boxes there, with with optical drive and without it, with built-in streaming capabilities. Some choices would be Kiss DP-1500, DP-600; Dvico TVix, Ziova; there are more. -- ymilner ymilner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1370 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
bklaas;162646 Wrote: Seriously, XBMC is what you want. It will stream any video in any format on to your TV. It is just dropjaw fantastic software. Wow, that looks really, really good. Does this thing just work or do you have to continually update it? Looks like a real bear to setup though. The guide says you have to buy some special game title to get this working. That could be an obstacle. -- bishopdonmiguel bishopdonmiguel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=278 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Do you guys know VDR (http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/). Of course it is per se not a client server application, but it does the job of a PVR quite well. Of course you can have access to content on your hard disk beside the broadcast TV (DVB-S/T/C). The WAF his extremly high. -- RaK RaK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
bishopdonmiguel wrote: Peter;162649 Wrote: Oh great, another Apple product full of DRM, proprietary technology and patents, no doubt...I do understand your point. Agreed, DRM and proprietary stuff is evil. But I'm driven more by pragmatism than idealism. As long as it also plays non-DRM content (feature details as yet unknown), who cares? Personally, I don't like tweaking these toys. Despite my affection for the Squeezebox (I have 3), tweaking is the main reason I look for replacements. There always seems to be some issue that works it's way into the software that I have to work around. So, my quest for the NMF (near maintenance free) solution continues. It's not ideology, it's the experience that the disadvantages of closed solutions are just too great in the long term. MythTV and SqueezeBox are made to be flexible. Standard commercial solutions are usually made to lock you into their products. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Sch;162650 Wrote: XMBC was one of my options, along with the KISS DP558, but the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) isn't exactly great on the Xbox, and the DP558 lacks on the streaming (I will have to upload the video's to the 558). I also love my Xbox with XBMC. The front-end for it is just so polished now, (it looks much better than that for any DVD player/ video streamer I've seen...). I was going to bung my Xbox on eBay when I got the 360, but I'm really pleased I decided to dedicate it to AV use instead. To be honest, I'm not sure what the WAF problems would be with it. My Xbox sits in a normal HiFi rack with the IR receiver dongle (no trailing lead so very unobtrusive) in one of the controller ports, and no game controllers are connected. It doesn't look too much different to a hifi component! I have it set to boot directly into XBMC, so you just turn it on and you're presented with that fantastic looking menu. I just have one remote (Pronto) that controls it as well as my TV, Amp, TiVo, DVD player, Squeezebox and lights (via X10). This level of convenience scores very highly on the WAF (GAF) scale. The only small niggle is that there is no easy way to turn an Xbox on via the remote, and I haven't yet trained either of our dogs to push the power button with their noses... -- SadGamerGeek SadGamerGeek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6145 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
bklaas wrote: Step 1: Buy an old Xbox from eBay, craigslist, or a neighborhood Gamestop. Step 2: Hack Xbox and drop the acclaimed hackware Xbox Media Center (XBMC) on it. Great directions can be found here-- http://www.productwiki.com/microsoft_xbox/article/how_to_go_from_xbox_to_xbox_media_center_in_30_minutes.html Step 3: There is no step 3. Once you've got XBMC on, you really don't have to dork with it. Seriously, XBMC is what you want. It will stream any video in any format on to your TV. It is just dropjaw fantastic software. I'm a linux guy, and I'm telling you, you want XBMC. There is no better and cheaper way to do what you want than XBMC. I've thought about this setup, but the XBox is just to noisy to ever be allowed in my living room. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
bishopdonmiguel;162663 Wrote: Wow, that looks really, really good. Does this thing just work or do you have to continually update it? Looks like a real bear to setup though. The guide says you have to buy some special game title to get this working. That could be an obstacle. It took me approx 2 hours to do the setup, and was actually quite painless. If you're smart enough to have a home network, you can do this. That guide is spot on with everything you need to know. You are correct that you have to find a special game title, and that probably was the biggest effort. I found one that worked by searching Craigslist for people selling xbox games. I found a guy selling a bunch of titles including Mechassault. I emailed him and asked him if he could check the part number on the laser etching of the CD (the gameboy immediately knew what I was up to). It matched, and I bought it from him for $15. Post-setup, I can't really see needing to ever do an update. There just aren't any functions that I'm wishing it had that it doesn't already do marvelously. I suppose I wished it did HD and had DVR capabilities, but I'm not sure either of those are within the scope of this product. Big pros of XBMC: boots in about 10 seconds (!!!) streams absolutely anything I throw at it will stream data from my linux server (via samba shares) plays music from my server views photos with cool slideshow effects will play DVDs that have been shrunk to iso files, including support for DVD menus (!!!) very, very customizable other features: plays movie trailers from apple.com RSS feed viewer some kind of online game system, Kai (could care less about this) cons: xboxes are loud (though xbmc has settings for ramping down the fan speed, which helps) no HD no DVR cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Peter;162671 Wrote: I've thought about this setup, but the XBox is just to noisy to ever be allowed in my living room. I don't disagree with this statement at all, except for two caveats: 1. you can quiet it somewhat by pushing the fan speed down to 10% via xbmc settings. some have even gone as far as to replace the fan with a quieter one, but that's a bit too involved for my interest. 2. with a 10 second boot time, the only time xbmc needs to be on is when you are watching something on xbmc. I don't notice the xbox noise when watching something, only when nothing else is audible. also, if you have an AV rack with a glass front that'll buffer it even further. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
bklaas wrote: Peter;162671 Wrote: I've thought about this setup, but the XBox is just to noisy to ever be allowed in my living room. I don't disagree with this statement at all, except for two caveats: 1. you can quiet it somewhat by pushing the fan speed down to 10% via xbmc settings. some have even gone as far as to replace the fan with a quieter one, but that's a bit too involved for my interest. 2. with a 10 second boot time, the only time xbmc needs to be on is when you are watching something on xbmc. I don't notice the xbox noise when watching something, only when nothing else is audible. also, if you have an AV rack with a glass front that'll buffer it even further. Good to know. The quietest PC (an XBox is basically a PC) is the one in the other room. It's fairly easy to transport video and audio signals to a TV set and the (totally quiet) Squeezeboxes take care of the control. You can't get quieter than that... Another nice option for MythTV is a separate frontend running on a Hauppauge MediaMVP: http://www.mvpmc.org/ The MediaMVP is basically a noiseless and fanless network device with TV audio out. The MVPMC software not only acts as a MythBox frontend, but also as a SliMP3/SqueezeBox. I haven't tried it, but it looks like a great option. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
I bought an XBox two weeks ago for XBMC, and it's fantastic. SadGamerGeek;162668 Wrote: I just have one remote (Pronto) that controls it as well as my TV, Amp, TiVo, DVD player, Squeezebox and lights (via X10). This level of convenience scores very highly on the WAF (GAF) scale. The only small niggle is that there is no easy way to turn an Xbox on via the remote, and I haven't yet trained either of our dogs to push the power button with their noses...Depending on your definition of easy... for about UK£15 one can buy an additional IR receiver which draws a small amount of standby power and will turn the XBox on when it receives a particular remote command. It requires that the lid be removed and some wires be soldered under the motherboard (or, in my case, shoved into the main power connector and taped in place), which is not massively hard to do. (Having said that, the model I bought integrates with a particular brand of modchip, and may not work with softmod XBoxes... I don't know enough about it to say for sure!) So the problem can be solved. -- smst smst's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
Peter;162681 Wrote: The MediaMVP is basically a noiseless and fanless network device with TV audio out. The MVPMC software not only acts as a MythBox frontend, but also as a SliMP3/SqueezeBox. I haven't tried it, but it looks like a great option. One would think this would be a great option. But it's simply not workable. I've tried it, and aside from the fact that you're limited to svideo and analog 2-channel audio, the device itself is abysmally slow and crashy. Fun as a toy, but don't expect a usable product. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
azinck3 wrote: Peter;162681 Wrote: The MediaMVP is basically a noiseless and fanless network device with TV audio out. The MVPMC software not only acts as a MythBox frontend, but also as a SliMP3/SqueezeBox. I haven't tried it, but it looks like a great option. One would think this would be a great option. But it's simply not workable. I've tried it, and aside from the fact that you're limited to svideo and analog 2-channel audio, the device itself is abysmally slow and crashy. Fun as a toy, but don't expect a usable product. Pity, I'll have to build my own thin client sometime then. (when my family no longer want to watch the same program at the same time). Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
I too am blown away by XBMC but am interested in controlling it remotely. I have a Logitech Harmony 880 and have heard of controlling it with it but can't seem to get it working. Currently I'm using a wireless game controller which does all kinds of great ajustments etc. My favorite is the fast forward which when done on my laptop (G4 powerbook) I sometimes get a voice sync problem which I have to pause for a couple of seconds to catch up but with the XBOX I never have a problem. Anyone with the Hormony setup? I think the one I downloaded controlled the DVD drive but not XBMC. I recommend it highly by the way. Paul -- thepainter thepainter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will there ever be a video squeezebox ?
thepainter;162691 Wrote: I too am blown away by XBMC but am interested in controlling it remotely. I have a Logitech Harmony 880 and have heard of controlling it with it but can't seem to get it working. Currently I'm using a wireless game controller which does all kinds of great ajustments etc. My favorite is the fast forward which when done on my laptop (G4 powerbook) I sometimes get a voice sync problem which I have to pause for a couple of seconds to catch up but with the XBOX I never have a problem. Anyone with the Hormony setup? I think the one I downloaded controlled the DVD drive but not XBMC. I recommend it highly by the way. If you don't already have it, you may need to buy the DVD playback kit, which is essentially a remote and a IR receiver. The receiver plugs in to a controller port and enables the remote to be used. (You won't really need the remote except to learn commands on the Harmony, and maybe not even that as the official Microsoft remote/dongle is based on the same signals as RCA DVD players use.) -- smst smst's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
