Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
You are very kind. PM being sent. Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Brian, I have one of these you can borrow for the "duration" if you wish. 36870 Also a spare USB 3 to USB - C Adapter from UGreen drop me a PM if you want to proceed :) ronnie +---+ |Filename: spdif.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36870| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
d6jg wrote: > I wondered what the use case was. > She will be either reading a hard copy library book, reading an eBook on her Kobo from the library, or reading the news on her Windows laptop. I will be either watching TV with the headphones on, listening to music with the headphones on, or messing about on this Chromebook with headphones on. If she is not in the lounge I will switch to loudspeakers. Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Labarum wrote: > Surely that would require two DACs? > > On the back of the Beresford DAC there are two pairs of RCA output > sockets labelled fixed and variable, but both output the same analogue > output from the one (stereo) DAC. The output signal is always available > on the fixed pair; but on the variable pair (the other side of the > volume control) the signal is muted when headphones are plugged in. > (Beresford DACs 7510 ane 7520 work like this, later models don't.) > > The fixed output goes to the integrated amp which has its own volume > control. The headphones are always plugged in. If I want to listen to > the TV through the HiFi speakers I turn the amp on. Whether it is on or > off the phones are working, and the volume control on the DAC sets their > level. > > The TV is set to output to the internal speakers and the optical socket > simultaneously, but the volume on the TV remote is set to zero all the > time. > > If one person wanted to listen to the TV and the other in the room > wanted to listen to music on headphones, the TV remote volume could be > turned up and the amp left off. It never happens in our house! > > That is as close as I can get to what I think you want. > > An older TV might have an analogue line out (on RCA sockets or on a > SCART) which could be routed to another input on the HiFi Amplifier, and > selected on the Amp. I could do that with my last TV. That would achieve > what you ask. > > This adaptor may pull analogue audio (R+L) from the SACRT of an older > telly > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154754995742?hash=item24081dd61e:g:fLsAAOSwxKxeXLCH > > I say may because SCART wiring is a black art. I got a soldering iron > out and made my own cable! That isnt why I asked. I wondered what the use case was. I have my TV wired into an AVR which also has a Pi plugged into it and quite often I listen to music on headphones while Swmbo watches TV but I use an iPhone with iPeng controlled by Material and an Audioquest Dragonfly to listen. It lets me move around but still gives me HiFi quality music. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
d6jg wrote: > Is the headphone out on your Beresford DAC independent of the main line > out? Can you listen to the Chrome dongle while someone else watches TV > with sound via your hifi? Surely that would require two DACs? On the back of the Beresford DAC there are two pairs of RCA output sockets labelled fixed and variable, but both output the same analogue output from the one (stereo) DAC. The output signal is always available on the fixed pair; but on the variable pair (the other side of the volume control) the signal is muted when headphones are plugged in. (Beresford DACs 7510 ane 7520 work like this, later models don't.) The fixed output goes to the integrated amp which has its own volume control. The headphones are always plugged in. If I want to listen to the TV through the HiFi speakers I turn the amp on. Whether it is on or off the phones are working, and the volume control on the DAC sets their level. The TV is set to output to the internal speakers and the optical socket simultaneously, but the volume on the TV remote is set to zero all the time. If one person wanted to listen to the TV and the other in the room wanted to listen to music, the TV remote volume could be turned up and the amp left off. It never happens in our house! That is as close as I can get to what I think you want. An older TV might have an analogue line out (on RCA sockets or on a SCART) which could be routed to another input on the HiFi Amplifier, and selected on the Amp. I could do that with my last TV. That would achieve what you ask. Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Is the headphone out on your Beresford DAC independent of the main line out? Can you listen to the Chrome dongle while someone else watches TV with sound via your hifi? Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
cliveb wrote: > So I guess you're experimenting with the Pi4 as a player in addition to > using it as your LMS server? That's it. Just playing and investigating. > I've never used a Pi4 as a player, but I did once use an old Pi1 as a > player, and can confirm that the 3.5mm output on that was line level. > I can't see any reason why they'd change the purpose of the 3.5mm output > on later models. I guess so. Only just enough grunt to drive even sensitive headphones. It matters not. Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Man in a van wrote: > @LABARUM > > Brian, don't buy anything until I have a rummage. > > I know for sure I have a spare connecter for the Apple dongle and I > might have a usb-spdif converter somewhere that would let you use the > Beresford (I have one or two of those stored somewhere :rolleyes:) > > I'll drop you a PM in a day or so > > ronnie You are very generous, Ronnie, but don't go wasting a lot of time rummaging. I too have boxes and boxes of stuff, not (that I can remember) a USB to USB-C adaptor. 5 pin and 3 pin plugs anyone? I even have a 4 pin which I once used to get an audio line out from a very old TV to the HiFi. No SCART in those days. I think I'll stay away from the Linux Command Line - not brave enough! Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Labarum wrote: > But tell me about the headphone socket on the Pi4, please. I plugged in > a pair of cheap, sensitive headphones - nothing. I turned the software > volume control right up and could hear the music - but it was not loud > even at max volume. Is that 3.5mm jack socket more of a line out? So I guess you're experimenting with the Pi4 as a player in addition to using it as your LMS server? I've never used a Pi4 as a player, but I did once use an old Pi1 as a player, and can confirm that the 3.5mm output on that was line level. I can't see any reason why they'd change the purpose of the 3.5mm output on later models. Until recently: Transporter -> ATC SCM100A, now sold :-( House move forced change to: piCorePlayer(RPi2/HiFiBerry DIGI2 Pro) -> Meridian 218 -> Meridian M6 cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
d6jg wrote: > I should add that I think this DAC easily outperforms the Chrome Audio > but you do definitely need to increase its output level to match other > components Interesting box. Of course I have the Apple DAC Dongle; and of course I am not using the DAC in the Chromecast Audio Dongle, only the streamer transport through Castbridge. The real work is done by the Beresford DAC. Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
@LABARUM Brian, don't buy anything until I have a rummage. I know for sure I have a spare connecter for the Apple dongle and I might have a usb-spdif converter somewhere that would let you use the Bereford (I have one or two of those stored somewhere :rolleyes:) I'll drop you a PM in a day or so ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Brian, you can see what is available if you SSH into the raspberry pi User is: tc passwd: piCore type Code: alsamixer when logged in (hit enter) and then hit F6 on the keyboard and select the headphone output 36861 if you make any adjustment, hit Esc and then type Code: sudo alsactl store (hit enter) then type Code: pcp br (hit enter) The pi should reboot Another way, is to go to the pCP web page, Squeezelite Settings > Audio output device settings > click on card control; with this open, SSH into the pi, make the adjustment, then click the the save button on the Squeezelite settings page This is a rpi4b headpone driving Sennheiser 600 'phones 36862 You can see the volume is up :) I think it is to save the Kiddies' earoles:) pre-Brexit EU rooles. By the by, it is possible to utilise the headphone output as a seperate squeezelite instance whilst still using the usb output. ronnie +---+ |Filename: HD600.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36862| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
I should add that I think this DAC easily outperforms the Chrome Audio but you do definitely need to increase its output level to match other components Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
On one of my Pis I use one of these which has the 3.5mm/Optical you are talking about. I did have to adjust the volume up a bit using alsamixer and then saving the resultant settings. There is a thread somewhere that explains how. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hifime-Sabre-9018-USB-DAC/dp/B01B16X7WY There is also a cheaper version available Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
@Ronnie It is possible to wind the headphone output up from 0 db to +4db 36857 That makes my cheap headphones much more useable. (Not that I will be using them.) I plugged in my Sennheiser HD25 phones - commonly used by audio pros. Interestingly they are slightly more sensitive than my cheapies. I am still, however, using 90%+ on the player volume. It's not a bad sound out of the headphone socket when using the internal Pi Dac which I don't suppose was ever meant for anything beyond hobby project sounds. As said previously, a useful evolution would be the sort of hybrid 3.5mm jack that exports analogue sounds and optical output for a DAC. My next development will be to swap the Beresford 7510 DAC I have here in Southampton for the Caiman (7520) I have in Nicosia which has a USB input. I can then move the Pi into the lounge and discontinue the use of one of my Chromecast Audio Dongles. But goodness knows when I will next be in Nicosia! No matter, what I have working is working very well. Thanks to all. +---+ |Filename: Screenshot 2022-01-16 15.43.25.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36857| +---+ Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Must try the Apple DAC dongle referenced earlier https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115723-Rational-Lounge-Integration-of-LMS-and-TV-Audio&p=1042958&viewfull=1#post1042958 When I get the right adaptor! But I would just be playing. Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Brian These are the default settings on a new install of pCP. 36854 +---+ |Filename: headphones02.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36854| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.3.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.1.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on Sata SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/Pi screen/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DAC HAT > Edifier *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > Topping E30 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Echo Show 8 *Garage* - Rpi4/pCP/AP mode > Touch > Edifier *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi, 1xDAC32, 1xCORE32 kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Thanks. I have a look. I wondered if there was a hidden volume control somewhere! Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Labarum wrote: > But tell me about the headphone socket on the Pi4, please. I plugged in > a pair of cheap, sensitive headphones - nothing. I turned the software > volume control right up and could hear the music - but it was not loud > even at max volume. Is that 3.5mm jack socket more of a line out? > > > Brian, it is bot a line out and headphone jack to set the output to 0db Squeezelite Settings > Alsa Mixer > 0db 36853 In LMS go to Settings > Player > Audio > Volume Control either 100% for line output or volume controls adjust output ronnie +---+ |Filename: headphones 1.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36853| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
The output was set to headphones, but as I said was not driving hard. Not a problem, kidstypike, I absolutely delighted with my new Pi. I won't be using the 3.5mm jack. I was just exploring. I wonder if some future evolution will include one of those hybrid 3.5mm sockets that is also an optical out. Presently the jack is set to USB, I'll leave it as it is, and for now just ignore it. This is what I see. 36852 I wonder what the ticked "Auto Gain" does. No problem. I'll just enjoy this box as I now have it set up. It does everything I want and uses a lot less power than the PC. +---+ |Filename: Screenshot 2022-01-16 13.01.29.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36852| +---+ Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Labarum wrote: > But tell me about the headphone socket on the Pi4, please. I plugged in > a pair of cheap, sensitive headphones - nothing. I turned the software > volume control right up and could hear the music - but it was not loud > even at max volume. Is that 3.5mm jack socket more of a line out? > > I switched to generic USB output and plugged in an old Fiilo D5 USB DAC > a friend gave me. The headphones went louder, but not much. Now I know > that D5 can deafen me with the same headphones when plugged into a > laptop. What gives? > > I notice there are many pre-configured USB outputs in the setup page, > and an option to mess with ALSA directly. What's all that about, and is > there documentation? Sorry to hear this. I spent one evening listening to music from your Pi4 via the 3.5mm jack socket into a pair of active speakers, so I know it was okay. Output was set to "Headphones" which is the default setting on a fresh install of pCP. I know nothing whatsoever about headphones, I don't own any. You would be better served posting this in one of the pCP forums on this site, where the devs may have more ideas. https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114828-Announce-piCorePlayer-8-0-0 36851 +---+ |Filename: Headphones.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36851| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.3.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.1.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on Sata SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/Pi screen/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DAC HAT > Edifier *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > Topping E30 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Echo Show 8 *Garage* - Rpi4/pCP/AP mode > Touch > Edifier *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi, 1xDAC32, 1xCORE32 kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Labarum wrote: > But tell me about the headphone socket on the Pi4, please. I plugged in > a pair of cheap, sensitive headphones - nothing. I turned the software > volume control right up and could hear the music - but it was not loud > even at max volume. Is that 3.5mm jack socket more of a line out? > > I switched to generic USB output and plugged in an old Fiilo D5 USB DAC > a friend gave me. The headphones went louder, but not much. Now I know > that D5 can deafen me with the same headphones when plugged into a > laptop. What gives? > > I notice there are many pre-configured USB outputs in the setup page, > and an option to mess with ALSA directly. What's all that about, and is > there documentation?Is there a setting in piCorePlayer settings to > enable/disable the headphone socket? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
But tell me about the headphone socket on the PC. I plugged in a pair of cheap, sensitive headphones - nothing. I turned the software volume control right up and could hear the music - but it was not loud even at max volume. Is that 3.5mm jack socket more of a line out? I switched to generic USB output and plugged in an old Fiilo D5 USB DAC a friend gave me. The headphones went louder, but not much. Now I know that D5 can deafen me with the same headphones when plugged into a laptop. What gives? I notice there are many pre-configured USB outputs in the setup page, and an option to mess with ALSA directly. What's all that about, and is there documentation? Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Labarum wrote: > That I will accept. I had accepted that position even as I wrote!I suppose > the Pi will be quieter than the PC being fanless [emoji2] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > The general view is that you're imagining it. > That I will accept. I had accepted that position even as I wrote! Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Labarum wrote: > Having turned my old PC off in favour of a Raspberry Pi to run LMS I am > wondering if I am hearing a cleaner sound, not that I thought there was > any mush there before. > > I am now using LMS with Castbridge on rPi to a Google Chromecast Audio > dongle, and using an optical link into a Beresford 7510 DAC driving a > pair of Sennheiser HD25 headphones. > > Is that possible or probable? The Windows PC could have been injecting > some digital noise into the stream. I am, though, suspicious even of my > own subjective impressions when they are unsupported by measurements, > which I cannot make. > > But what is the general view? > The general view is that you're imagining it. LMS streams the data over TCP/IP. The receiving player controls how the data is decoded and clocked. Nothing can affect the timing before then, including any noise on the data lines - if you're wondering about noise affecting jitter. UNLESS... Noise (either electrical and/or radiated EMI) manages to affect the analogue stages of whatever eventually turns the digital data into audio. Which in your case would be the Beresford DAC. I guess there is a vanishingly small possibility that its analogue stages might get affected by power line noise and/or EMI, and the Pi4 would have different noise characteristics to the Windows PC. But the difference you hear is overwhelmingly more likely to be due to your expectations and/or state of mind. You've just installed a new toy that you're pleased with - you are bound to be in a happy place and as a result things sound nice. Until recently: Transporter -> ATC SCM100A, now sold :-( House move forced change to: piCorePlayer(RPi2/HiFiBerry DIGI2 Pro) -> Meridian 218 -> Meridian M6 cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Having turned my old PC off in favour of a Raspberry Pi to run LMS I am wondering if I am hearing a cleaner sound. I am now using LMS with Castbridge on rPi to a Google Chromecast Audio dongle, and using an optical link into a Beresford 7510 DAC driving a pair of Sennheiser HD25 headphones. Is that possible or probable? The Windows PC could have been injecting some digital noise into the stream. I am, though, suspicious even of my own subjective impressions when they are unsupported by measurements, which I cannot make. But what is the general view? 36849 +---+ |Filename: New setup.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36849| +---+ Brian In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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rPi4 procured 2nd hand on this list. I am a very lucky boy. Tale told here https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115736-Can-I-use-a-chromebook-to-run-my-LMS&p=1043201&viewfull=1#post1043201 And following - read through to post #20 Thank you again kidstypike I can now retire the old PC and proceed at my leisure. Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > That would be asking for trouble if she uses it as a general purpose > machine. Get a RPi (if you can find one in stock anywhere) and stick > piCorePlayer on it. Understood - yet for a long time I ran LMS on my own Windows laptop without problems. Indeed it was torture to let them go, but we moved house and they simply didn't fit Here are my MB Quart 980s to which I am very attached. One man can lift one, but only with great difficulty! In front of the TV is my SB3 and below my other Beresford DAC and a Quad 520f. The Nicosia house was burgled. They took the TV and the SB3 (goodness knows what they thought it was) and left the two expensive items - the DAC and the newly refurbished professional Quad amp. I brought the 520 back to UK and now use a less expensive 405-2. The Boom in the conservatory they left! Go figure! 3678136782 +---+ |Filename: Quart980s.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36782| +---+ Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Labarum wrote: > Well I have already said I hardly use the Windows Desktop anymore, but > it is using more electricity than a Pi would use to run LMS better. Yes, I understand the desire to move away from your old Windows PC. My comment was in reference to you suggesting that you might run LMS on your wife's laptop. That would be asking for trouble if she uses it as a general purpose machine. Get a RPi (if you can find one in stock anywhere) and stick piCorePlayer on it. Labarum wrote: > And you got rid of the big ATCs - buckets of tears. Indeed it was torture to let them go, but we moved house and they simply didn't fit. When I crammed them into the lounge and tried them out, they sounded thick and congested. The Meridian M6s that replaced them are surprisingly listenable. Nowhere near as capable, of course, but they do sound pretty damn good. Until recently: Transporter -> ATC SCM100A, now sold :-( House move forced change to: piCorePlayer(RPi2/HiFiBerry DIGI2 Pro) -> Meridian 218 -> Meridian M6 cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Man in a van wrote: > @LABARUM > > Here is a link to a list of Raspberry pi products > > https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/ > Thanks. No stock anywhere. (Well the evil empire has a few 4Gb at £100!) I'll wait! Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Start with a Pi4 as server. There seems to be a national shortage at the moment. I have asked PiHut to email me when they have stock. > Running on Windows just isnt as stable. I don't remember any problems years ago, but I have had some issues after my recent re-installation. That may be down to the age of my PC, but also because I have been experimenting, and have broken the rule "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." To all I say: Thanks for your advice and interest. Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@LABARUM Here is a link to a list of Raspberry pi products https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/ If you click on a device >More Info >Buy Now it gives a list of Approved Resellers ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > What's confusing me is why you want to change anything. What's wrong > with your current Beresford DAC? Well I have already said I'm not in a rush: the Quad amplification is classic stuff and will probably outlast me, but the Beresford 7510 is approaching 20 years old. It has had a replacement power supply, but sooner or later it will fail. It is not a top notch DAC by current standards, but it is good enough for my purposes.But then you say > Regarding moving the LMS server, I would strongly recommend not running > it on a Windows machine that's also being used for other general purpose > stuff. Well I have already said I hardly use the Windows Desktop anymore, but it is using more electricity than a Pi would use to run LMS better. I don't even have a monitor attached to the PC anymore and have to Remote Desktop in. If it decides to upgrade or otherwise get itself into a Windows frenzy, Remote Desktop stops working and I haven't a clue what's going on. It's 15 years old and, and even though it has a recent SSD, it struggles with Windows 10 in its latest upgrade - time to be rid. And you got rid of the big ATCs - buckets of tears. In my Nicosia house I have the flagship MB Quart towers (no longer made) - it will be a sad day when they have to go. Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ok now I understand that you're using Chromecast devices as virtual squeezeboxes. What's confusing me is why you want to change anything. What's wrong with your current Beresford DAC? Regarding moving the LMS server, I would strongly recommend not running it on a Windows machine that's also being used for other general purpose stuff. If you go the piCorePlayer route, I can tell you that you don't need a RPi4 - it works just fine on a RPi3. Lack of USB3 for the disk isn't an issue - audio data rates are so micky-mouse that USB2 is plenty fast enough. My RPi3 LMS server is even running some SOX filters for DRC and the CPU is nowhere close to maxed out - typically around the 25% mark. Until recently: Transporter -> ATC SCM100A, now sold :-( House move forced change to: piCorePlayer(RPi2/HiFiBerry DIGI2 Pro) -> Meridian 218 -> Meridian M6 cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Labarum wrote: > There are (or were) DACs for small studio use that had an independent > Headphone circuit for monitoring purposes. I'll have a look sometime. No > rush, I am content with what I presently have. My Sennheiser HD25 > headphones are crystal clear. > > I would however like to turn the old PC off - I could run LMS on my > wife's Windows laptop which is on 24/7. I'm not proud! Start with a Pi4 as server then with a suitable USB3 HD but the consensus is that as a server it should be connected via LAN. It is technically possible to run on WiFi but not advised. Running on Windows just isnt as stable. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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There are (or were) DACs for small studio use that had an independent Headphone circuit for monitoring purposes. I'll have a look sometime. No rush, I am content with what I presently have. My Sennheiser HD25 headphones are crystal clear. I would however like to turn the old PC off - I could run LMS on my wife's Windows laptop which is on 24/7. I'm not proud! Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Labarum wrote: > Agreed. The latest Beresford DACs have lost the functionality I value. > The older ones have fixed and variable line outs, so the variable output > drives the headphones and the fixed goes to the Quad 77 Integrated Amp > with its own volume control. > > The required functionality could be restored by deploying a separate > headphone amp with its own volume control. A passive splitter from the > DAC could send the analogue output to phones and amp at the same time. I > have not looked, but there could well be headphone amps with pass > through. > > Where there's a will . . . The Audiolab M-DAC would do it but its overpriced for your requirement and not something youd hide behind the TV. Very flexible though. The latest version of the Khadas Tone Board I mentioned earlier would be perfect if it had optical instead of coax. It has the necessary headphone amp stage plus USB in (for Pi) and coax. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Your big issue isnt really the player device its the functionality of > your DAC which may be difficult to replace. Agreed. The latest Beresford DACs have lost the functionality I value. The older ones have fixed and variable line outs, so the variable output drives the headphones and the fixed goes to the Quad 77 Integrated Amp with its own volume control. The required functionality could be restored by deploying a separate headphone amp with its own volume control. A passive splitter from the DAC could send the analogue output to phones and amp at the same time. I have not looked, but there could well be headphone amps with pass through. Where there's a will . . . Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Labarum wrote: > Thankyou d6jg. You accurately describe my system as I described it in my > OP and subsequent posts. > > I have three Chromecast Dongles on the network. Castbridge automatically > found and registered all of them. They become virtual Squeezeboxes > thanks to the brilliance of the Castbridge Plugin. Of course they do not > have a screen, but neither did the early Squeezebox Receiver. I control > my whole system from the web interface in the browser in the Chromebook > on which I am now typing. I could do the same from my Android Phone or > Tablet. > > https://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Receiver.html > > Castbridge is superbly competent. To my surprise it recognises my > Chromecast Video Dongle (I have two Audio and one Video Chromecasts), > and when I send audio to the video dongle the TV bursts into life and > the Album Art and track details are displayed on the screen as the music > plays. (Once I change channel on the DAC!) If you look at the pictures > higher up this thread you can see the TV displaying Logitech Media > output data. > > I have only one true Squeezebox - a Boom - my SB3 was stolen. > > I note there are various ways to create virtual Squeezeboxes and one of > the most interesting is perhaps the PloyVestion products > > https://polyvection.com/en/ > > which tempt me. > > PS Now who can tell me why the top line of the TV shown above says > "Default Media Player" when the adjacent Chromecast Audio Dongle is set > as the Default player?Philippe? I have one of each Polyvection device. The Digi32 is a beta test version. Both it and the Dac32 are very capable devices and surprisingly good but Im not sure if youd hear any upgrade if you used the Digi32 with your existing DAC. Your big issue isnt really the player device its the functionality of your DAC which may be difficult to replace. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > The OPs DAC has 2 x Optical in with headphone amp and RCA to his amp. > The Chromecast is in use with the Castbridge plugin and uses one of the > optical in. TV uses other. > Not sure how the switching operates Thankyou d6jg. You accurately describe my system as I described it in my OP and subsequent posts. I have three Chromecast Dongles on the network. Castbridge automatically found and registered all of them. They become virtual Squeezeboxes thanks to the brilliance of the Castbridge Plugin. Of course they do not have a screen, but neither did the early Squeezebox Receiver. I control my whole system from the web interface in the browser in the Chromebook on which I am now typing. I could do the same from my Android Phone or Tablet. https://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Receiver.html Castbridge is superbly competent. To my surprise it recognises my Chromecast Video Dongle (I have two Audio and one Video Chromecasts), and when I send audio to the video dongle the TV bursts into life and the Album Art and track details are displayed on the screen as the music plays. (Once I change channel on the DAC!) I have only one true Squeezebox - a Boom - my SB3 was stolen. I note there are various ways to create virtual Squeezeboxes and one of the most interesting is perhaps the PloyVestion products https://polyvection.com/en/ which tempt me. Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > If you've got a decent DAC with multiple inputs, why not just feed the > output of your Squeezebox player into one input and the TV into another? > Most modern TVs have an optical output. > > I don't really understand why any Chromecast devices need to be involved > - can you explain their purpose? The OPs DAC has 2 x Optical in with headphone amp and RCA to his amp. The Chromecast is in use with the Castbridge plugin and uses one of the optical in. TV uses other. Not sure how the switching operates Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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If you've got a decent DAC with multiple inputs, why not just feed the output of your Squeezebox player into one input and the TV into another? Most modern TVs have an optical output. I don't really understand why any Chromecast devices need to be involved - can you explain their purpose? Until recently: Transporter -> ATC SCM100A, now sold :-( House move forced change to: piCorePlayer(RPi2/HiFiBerry DIGI2 Pro) -> Meridian 218 -> Meridian M6 cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > The weakest component in your setup is the Chrome Audio. Its ok but the > DAC chip isnt the best but I assume you are using its optical out. I guessed so. I am using it with optical link to the Beresford DAC which is ageing but OK. > Is there Ethernet behind your TV? If so Id get a Pi4 and set it up as a > server and client. I can arrange Ethernet easily. > What input types are available on your amp? The Amp is a classic British Amp. It has two line level inputs on RCA phono sockets. CD and FM Tuner are connected by buss, but the Tuner is not in the stack. My amp is pure stereo not a media product with HDMI in. > I run a Pi4 coupled with a Khadas USB Tone Board in my Living Room. I will investigate. I use the Beresford DAC as a DAC-Preamp. It is powered on all the time and the headphones are always plugged into the DAC and left on the sofa ready to go. If I want the speakers I power up the amp. A setup that required me to plug in the headphones to mute the speakers would not be convenient. I use the Chromecast audio because my SB3 was stolen in a house breakin years ago, but I suspect the old SB3 even with external DAC was no better than the Chromecast Dongle. Looking around I see Raspberry Pies are hard to buy at the moment. I think I want a 4B 2Gb - when I can get one. Thanks for your input. Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
The weakest component in your setup is the Chrome Audio. Its ok but the DAC chip isnt the best but I assume you are using its optical out. Is there Ethernet behind your TV? If so Id get a Pi4 and set it up as a server and client. As regards the choice of DAC or Digi out I think it depends upon just how good the Beresford is and whether your amp has a suitable input for the TV sound. I run a Pi4 coupled with a Khadas USB Tone Board in my Living Room. The Khadas was about £100 with case and is quite highly rated in reviews but my TV audio is dealt with via hdmi arc. What input types are available on your amp? Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
3673636737367383673936740 Here is my current lounge setup established after years of not using LMS. The server is on a very old PC in the third bedroom which I use only when I need a Windows machine - rarely, as I use a Chromebook almost all the time. I am typing on it now. Running a big old and power hungry desktop PC 24/7 only for LMS is a bit silly - so I raised this thread. A Raspberry Pi running PiCorePlayer as server or server and client must be a good deal. But there are so many ways forward. There is absolutely nothing wrong with my old Beresford DAC strapped to the back of the TV, and the Quad 77 Integrated Amplifier just goes on and on. The shoebox loudspeakers are compromised by their position and are too small for the room, but the arrangement is domestically tidy and, in this flat, I use headphones most of the time. My old Boom sprang to life when I pulled it out of a cupboard after years of neglect, and I have just received a second Chromecast Audio Dongle unused from a friend. It is currently hooked up to the Clavinova in the second bedroom, and sounds very fine using its internal DAC. It is a crying shame that Google discontinued the audio dongles - they work very reliably with Castbridge. So, fellow Squeezeboxers, how do I move forward? +---+ |Filename: ManagePlayers.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36740| +---+ Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Man in a van wrote: > Windows 10 loads the device on insertion, plays on my windows > installation :) > > ronnie So also on my Chromebook. Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Labarum wrote: > Apple DAC headphone dongle > > Windows 10 loads the device on insertion, plays on my windows installation :) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Review of Apple DAC headphone dongle https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-apple-vs-google-usb-c-headphone-adapters.5541/ Brian In UK: Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom. In Nicosia: Delete Quad 77 and Neutron 4 and insert Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rational Lounge Integration of LMS and TV Audio
Labarum wrote: > > > But from what I read, no matter what the final solution, the purchase of > a P4 may be a good idea. > > and > > It has just occurred to me that I have an Apple in-line DAC which is > extremely well reviewed and costs £9 > > https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MU7E2ZM/A/usb-c-to-35mm-headphone-jack-adapter > > That is a very easy solution. Brian, I have one plugged into a rpi4b right now 36735 I use one of these UGREEN USB C Adaptor Type C Female Adapter to USB 3.0 A Male Converter Therer are other makes available One needs to have a line-jack inserted in the Apple device (to activate it) otherwise it isnot recognised :rolleyes: ronnie Currently I use a rpi SPDIF output into a very old Quad CDP-2, using the variable audio out into Active speakers (TV optical into the Quad) +---+ |Filename: apple.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36735| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115723 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
