Re: [discuss] Installation on non redhat package manager based distributions
Hi there! Just for completeness if the "non-rpm"-based distribution is "debian"-based you can find debian installation packages on http://download.openoffice.org/other.html which is probably easier than to try to convince a "non-rpm"-based distribution to install the rpm packages. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers On 29.11.2010 17:16, Norm JoAnn Deckant wrote: I so appreciate your help..you sound more capable of working aroung this problem, I've been so pleased with Open Office and have used it for years, then this problem pops up, not so nice. I'll have to wait and see if "they" offer me an easier solution. I'll continue to dig aroung but I think it's a little more than I can attempt to solve. - Original Message - From: "Davide" louigi...@yahoo.it To: discuss@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:25 AM Subject: [discuss] Installation on non redhat package manager based distributions My name is David Rao I'm an old time linux user way back to kernel verion 0.99 and a keen supporter of Open Source (I've a few projects myself on sourceforge ... unfortunately I no longer have time to maintain them). I use Open Office as a MS Office replacement and I often end up manually installing Open Office on non redhat based distributions. I just subscribed here to let anyone else intrested on a quick and dirty way to get Open Office instelled on a non rpm based distribution. The problem with that is that although generally all required packages are installed even if you have the Redhat Package Manager installed the database is empty and the Open Office installer will fail all dependencies. What I do to work around this is open up the detail box to get a list of the packages I wanted to install (after a custom setup) and paste it into a file that I then manipulate with vi to make it into a install script that will install the packages ignoring dependencies. Here is a copy of my last such effort: PKG_LIST="jre-6u20-linux-i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-base-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-binfilter-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-calc-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-core01-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-core02-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-core03-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-core04-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-core05-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-core06-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-core07-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-draw-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-base-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-binfilter-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-calc-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-draw-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-help-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-impress-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-math-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-res-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-en-US-writer-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-graphicfilter-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-images-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-impress-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-math-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-onlineupdate-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-ooofonts-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-oooimprovement-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-ooolinguistic-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-pyuno-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm ooobasis3.2-writer-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org-ure-1.6.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org-userland-1.0-0.noarch.rpm openoffice.org3-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-base-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-calc-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-dict-en-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-dict-es-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-dict-fr-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-draw-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-en-US-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-impress-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-math-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm openoffice.org3-writer-3.2.1-9502.i586.rpm" for PKG in $PKG_LIST do if [ -f ./RPMS/$PKG ] then rpm -i --force --nodeps ./RPMS/$PKG else #the package is not in the main RPMS directory ... will try to find it MPKG=$(find . -type f -name $PKG |tail -i) [ -f $MPKG ] rpm -i --force --nodeps $MPKG fi done Maybe one day the Open Office install script will in someway address non rpm based distributions ... in the meantime this might be of some help. The PGK_LIST variable is to be extracted from the detail error message box and will depend on the version and on what your install selection is. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org -- Bernd Eilers | Software Enginee
Re: [discuss] Re: Good News For UOF Project
On 09.11.2010 10:46, Harold Fuchs wrote: "anhongyun" anhong...@redoffice.com wrote in message news:201011091736457638...@redoffice.com... hello everyone: Here is a good news: we have created the UOF project, uof.openoffice.org. If you are interested in it,please pay close attention to this. Welcome to UOF lists. thank you very much! best wishes! 2010-11-09 anhongyun Congratulations. Now, what is UOF? Something like ODF but Chinese. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UOF Uniform Office Format sometimes called as Unified Office Format (UOF) is a Chinese developed open standard for 'office' applications. It includes word processing, presentation, and spreadsheet modules, and is made up of GUI, API, and format specifications. The document format described uses XML contained in a compressed file container, similar to ISO/IEC 26300:2006 OpenDocument and ISO/IEC 29500:2008 Office Open XML. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odf The Open Document Format for Office Applications (also known as OpenDocument or ODF) is an XML-based file format for representing electronic documents such as spreadsheets, charts, presentations and word processing documents. "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." - Andrew S. Tanenbaum Kind regards, Bernd Eilers -- Bernd Eilers | Software Engineer Phone: +49 40 23 646 967 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 Mnchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht Mnchen, HRA 95603 Komplementrin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschftsfhrer: Jrgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Cor Nouws wrote: Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens point of view, I also support Juergens Point of View -1 for OpenOfficeMouse incubator project Cor Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Access Bridge
Hi Stuart, maybe this Wiki page can help you http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Windows_Access_Bridge_Single-User_Install Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Stuart Barron wrote: Dear List I am a Visually Impaired person trying to use 'Open Office 3.1', in order to access the applications I use a screen magnifier. I need to install 'Java Access Bridge' in order that the my screen reader can access 'Open Office'. I have downloaded 'Access Bridge' using 'Sun's Download manager' trying both the manual and automatic options. I can't seem to get 'Open Office' to reconize 'Java Access Bridge' when I try the access mode in the options menu. Can anyone on the list help or point me in the right direction because I want to use the maths function. Regards Stuart - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Becoming an (Incubator) Project
Hi there! Michael Adams wrote: [... snip ...] Yeah i am left unclear by the name as to if the intent is to modify the XML of the file formats for the web, extract (parse) data from the existing XML files or to edit ODF files with a different UI. Plus the at @ in a URI is pretty messy %40 (usually reserved for e-mail). Well yes according to http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt?number=3986 the @ character is generally a reserved char in a URI so whenever that is used as part of a path in the URI it must be encoded. Thus I would like to add my +1 vote for changing the name. And well you can count +1 vote for the project itself with another name from me too. What about naming it odfwebutils or something like that? [...snip...] Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] I have a good idea
a b wrote: Hi Dear, Hi there! I have a good idea Must shorten names to: Open Base Open Calc Open Draw Open Math Open Writer Open Impress Open Printer Open .. - OpenOffice.org 2.3 Base OpenOffice.org 2.3 Calc OpenOffice.org 2.3 Draw OpenOffice.org 2.3 Math OpenOffice.org 2.3 Writer OpenOffice.org 2.3 Impress it's long it's bad Well this looks like you didn´t do a trademark research before suggesting such change: For example: OpenBase is a registered trademark of OpenBase International, Ltd. Have a look here for example for such a notice on a webpage: http://www.openbase.com/home-News-detail.1060.html thanks bye _ Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] New Website
Szymon Kiedyk wrote: To whom it may concern: I am interested in having my company participate or lead the re-design of the OpenOffice.org website — free of charge. I believe that creating a more professional look for the site would substantially improve popularity of the product due to the site appearing more credible. We have over 8 years of experience specializing in web design and development. How can we pursue this project? Who should we contact with our offer? Please advise. There is already a bunch of people working on such task. Their mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] just get subscribed there and get in contact with the others working on this. The current state of what is discussed as to be replacing the current design soon can be seen at http://test.openoffice.org and http://website.openoffice.org The archive of the mailing list is here: http://website.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=dev also already with the new lookfeel. Sincerely, Szymon K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Theme support for OpenOffice.
Hi Marseille Hunter! It´s all there already! Have a look at the listboxes in the tools/options/view Dialog below the text Icon size and style. That´s where you switch Icon Themes. So well go ahead and create your themes than ;-) You might consider creating an installable extension with your new IconSet and publish this at http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ Images for the icon themes are to be found in images_*.zip Files in the share/config directory. To make a new theme availaible OpenOffice.org Configuration Items in Common.xcu must also be changed. Use OpenOffice.org API to do this if done as extension. For information about Extensions have a look here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Marseille Hunter wrote: Hello, dear OpenOffice developers! I'm using your's software for two years and everything in OpenOffice is cool. BUT only one things is make me angry - interface. Of course, it is very useful and egronomic, but this is look more horrible than the MS Office 97 interface. Look there, I'm designer with 7th years of proffesional experience, and, of course, I want the beauty-lookin' interface like in MS Office 2007. ...And I want to DIY-feature to themes. So, this is my offer: if you develop themes support for OpenOffice, I make two or free standard themes for OpenOffice for free, 'cause I'm the OO fan. With best regards. Marseille Hunter, Russia. Certified Professional Designer (International Category). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Theme support for OpenOffice.
Hi Marseille Hunter, Just one thing I forgot to mention as a professional designer you might eventually be interested in joining the art subproject of the OpenOffice.org marketing project, have a look here: http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/index.html Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Marseille Hunter wrote: Hello, dear OpenOffice developers! I'm using your's software for two years and everything in OpenOffice is cool. BUT only one things is make me angry - interface. Of course, it is very useful and egronomic, but this is look more horrible than the MS Office 97 interface. Look there, I'm designer with 7th years of proffesional experience, and, of course, I want the beauty-lookin' interface like in MS Office 2007. ...And I want to DIY-feature to themes. So, this is my offer: if you develop themes support for OpenOffice, I make two or free standard themes for OpenOffice for free, 'cause I'm the OO fan. With best regards. Marseille Hunter, Russia. Certified Professional Designer (International Category). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Windows/patched Windows/Linux performance
Hi Michael, Michael Adams wrote: [... snip ...] Running OpenOffice.org effectively loads the program (soffice.exe) which holds most of the instruction code for Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, and Base. It is effectively the same as starting Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Access and Visio at the same time (which are all seperate programs). Once Writer is started note how quick a Calc sheet opens (given enough memory space). Sorry but this is simply a common prejudice that totally ignores the effort that is made inside OpenOffice.org to load certain functionallity only when needed and ignores the fact that Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, etc. do share lots of common functionality which makes even the sum of using them all together different than the sum of starting separate developed applications that do not have one but multiple implementations for something which could have been done identically in them. Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_library and than consider that OpenOffice.org uses technologies like Shared Libraries and dynamic loading which are described on that page and than you will see that your statement is just simply plain wrong. Calc specific stuff for example on a Windows installation is in sc680mi.dll not in soffice.exe and that library is only dynamically loaded when you open a spreadsheet document. Just because you have a menu from where you can open all kinds of document doesn´t mean that every functionality that the modules of which OpenOffice.org consists can offer is loaded when you start soffice.exe. Also OO.o will boot quicker if the quickstarter is turned on and running on your task bar. MS Word does not have native versions for several of the OS's mentioned. Given all the above info benchmark testing results would hardly be fair. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Open Office Draw.
Hi Dave, just try holding down the shift key while rotating than it´s not so much freehand rotating anymore instead rotation snaps in to a grid of every 15% degree instead and thus than and you can easly get exactly 90% clockwise, 180%, 90% counter clockwise etc. Or try the context Menu Position and Size there´s a tab page rotation there which lets you set the rotation to any exact degree you like and also lets you easily select often used values like 90%, 45%, 180% etc. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Dave Walker wrote: I have small suggestion, Yet I do not know how much it entails in the programming end. I have been using CorelDraw for Graphic arts since 1991. I really get tired of every update or should I say version being have changes in the key functions. But for the short an simple This request is on the rotate command. It is a freehand rotation. You need to add the following abilities 90 degrees clockwise 90 degrees counter clockwise 180 degrees Later we can add more functions. I will include a drawing file as an example. This when printed will be a four part NCR form. Padded in sets of 25. It is very easy to cut the way I have laid it out. To get there required creating just as I do in Corel Draw a rectangle 5.5 inches by 4.25 inches aligned to the page. All Item place in the rectangle and grouped together. Then duplicated and rotated.. try to rotate something with out a grid or guide could easily make it not rotated properly. Thanks, David Walker The Printer VVUHSD 760-955-3201 ext 10251 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] users mailing list issues
Hi there! mike scott wrote: [ ... snip ...] To cut to the chase, my initial thought is to replace the moderators with some sort of FAQ engine: an /unsubscribed/ user's email would be scanned automatically for keywords and matched against a selection of common FAQs. The most likely answers to be returned, along with a reference to the online documentation (including the list archives) and maybe google; Well IMHO this doesn´t help very much. Such users come here because they need human interaction in order to solve their problems with modern technology. Those are usually overwhelmed by the mysteries of technology tools they use and just don´t know much about yet. Transferring what is basically indented to provide means of human to human communication - a mailing list - into some means to communicate with yet another previously unknown tool (the suggested FAQ engine) doesn´t really help to lower the entry barriers to technology. People come here to talk to other people not to talk to tools and we should keep it that way. also a note on how to subscribe if that doesn't help. The note on how to subscribe would be useful tough I think. A subscriber would get straight through on the basis they probably understand how the list works. What does the team think? Or am I alone in finding the present setup somewhat unsatisfactory? Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Possible error in xhtml export (over H1 - H6 generation, i.e. H7)
Guy Voets wrote: 2007/8/10, Carlo Strata [EMAIL PROTECTED]: File - Export... - in the Filter combo choose xhtml - choose a file name and press ok button. Carlo Option not available here (only pdf, txt, sdw, sxw, odt), maybe because it's not a finished version of OOo More likely it is because you did not install a java runtime environment or did install some OOo version eg. from a non Sun provided build that was compiled without java support. XSLT Filters like the XHTML Export depend on an XSLT Engine which needs the java runtime environment. Have a look into Tools-Options-OOo-dev-java Another possibility is that you did a Custom Installation without selecting the XSLT Sample Filters Option. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Possible error in xhtml export (over H1 - H6 generation, i.e. H7)
Hi there! Guy Voets wrote: 2007/8/14, Carlo Strata [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I only underline that we are loosing my original bug (!) notification thread. None has noted over H6 (i.e. H7) tag generation? Have I to create a new bug issue? That would be kind, yes. If not well someone else might want to jump in. Kind regards, Carlo snip I agree with you Carlo, the question is: is there a H7 bug in xhtml conversion. Problem is that tll now, nobody has confirmed (or not) your findings. Even if nobody verifies your finding, you can file a bug... Sure? Tought it was clear that it is a bug? Well the document created states it is using the following DTD in it´s Document Delaration: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd that DTD in turn spezifies !ENTITY % heading h1|h2|h3|h4|h5|h6 but does not specifiy anything like h7, h8, ... I can confirm that an export with an current OpenOffice.org version will create h7 etc. elements when something like heading7 has been used and that any XML Validator trying to validate such exported file will burp on that and show an error like: This file is invalid. Unexpected element h7 or similar. So yes we surely have a bug here. The XHTML Export should have converted that to something using a custom font tag or similar. See also: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/ So well go ahead go to http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html and create an issue for it. Until now there is none I have searched for it. Component should be XML, subcomponent code. If you want to already assign that to an owner use [EMAIL PROTECTED] - that´s Svante Schubert from Sun he´s done lot´s of stuff on the XHTML Export and on XSLT Tranformations in general in OpenOffice.org and might be able to fix that. More specific information to the bug: - The error is in the xsl:template name=create-heading and xsl:template name=write-heading-number methods in the share/xslt/export/xhtml/body.xsl file of the OpenOffice.org installation where everything with an @text:level 6 must be handled special but isn´t yet. You might want to add that information too if you like when creating the issue. [Bernd: Java is installed 1.0.5_07, no custom install, but a Mac version 2.3 m221] Well 1.0.5_07 is something pretty old, isn´t it? And well I am surley not sure wether the Mac porters currently already build with --with-jre configured, sorry. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Multi language bar idea.
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mar 17 avril 2007 12:15, Sigrid Kronenberger a écrit : Hello Massimiliano, Am Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:05:39 +1200 schrieb Massimiliano Cacciamani [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Multi language bar idea. I Can speak and write 3 languages (English, Italian, German), and I always thought that a good feature for Open Office should be a Multi language bar. This does already exist. :) IIRC support for multilingual documents was not really there today. You have to create mono-lingual documents or do ugly workarounds in styles Using styles is not a workaround it´s a feature! ;-) Support for mulitlingual documents is really already in the product. You can just us Format/Character to change the language or well use styles. And there is a wizard to install dictonaries called with the menu entry File / Wizards / Install new dictonaries. And you can change the default language of your document using the menu entry Tools Options and than choose Language Settings in the dialog. What´s not yet there is that you can toggle the language also via a control in the status bar but a Google Summer of Code project will be working on the integration of such a feature. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] PayPal sucks
Hi there! Benjamin Huot wrote: This has kept me and many others from donating and no it is not going to work to tell my bank to send money to some German bank number. That may work in Europe but not in America. Sure that your bank can´t do that? I was able to send money from Europe to America using the international swift code of the receiving bank. I am quite confident that this works the other way round too, that´s what those Swift codes are for. And it´s not that America is a less developed country ;-) I am quite sure that if you give your bank the full data that´s mentioned on the donation page they will be able to transfer money. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] hun-spell ? not funny
open officecanada wrote: Hi folks, I am a Canadian speaking and writing 4 languages and upon trying to install a german language pack I realised that parts of it got called hun-spell. I wonder who the idiot was who came up with hun-spell for the german language pack in the first place. I guess its the same type of narrow minded jackass who came up with freedom-fries. Really guys, this is one blatant and frightening piece of ignorance that does not fit a opensource project like openoffice. Until corrected to something like ger-spell I shall refuse to use open office nor will I recommend it! Regards Jaques Hi there! Don´t get upset about the name it´s just the name of the spell checker software and name for the related format of the dictonary files and has nothing to do with the language being checked. And the hun in it is an abbreviation for hungaria. That spell checker software originally was an fork to the myspell spell checker made because of enhancements needed to support the hungarian language better, that´s where it got it´s name from. But it´s new features have been useful for other languages too, so it got widely used. There´s really no offending intention in its naming and nobodys trying to be funny here. Please have a look at the following URLs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunspell http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/ Hallo Leute, die IdiotIN, die die deutsche Spracherfassung von openoffice hun-spell genannt hat ist wahrscheinlich der gleichen Spezies von US-Ami zuzuordnen, die French-Fries in Freedom-Fries umbennen wollte. Bis der Titel fuer die deutsche Sprachversion neu- und umbenannt ist, werde ich openoffice nicht benutzen und auch nicht empfehlen. Hallo zurück. Im Gegenteil wäre eher eine Umbenennung von hun-spell in ger-spell vergleichbar mit einer Umbenennung von French-Fries in Freedom Fries. Und der den du als Idiot bezeichnest ist der Softwareentwickler der eine bestehende Software myspell genommen hat und für seine Sprache erweitert hat und dann der neuen Software ihren Namen gegeben hat. Gruss Jaques Gruss, Bernd Eilers - Make free worldwide PC-to-PC calls. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger with Voice - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office add-on
Hi Dennis, Dennis Bouwers wrote: We are trying to get more offices to to to Open Office and have the following issue / question. We can not sent Open office files (.ods and .odt) to MSoffice users. If we can sent our contacts this add-on we can sent them Open Office files and they can open these files on MS office. In this way they might also move the Open Office as they can see that there are no compatibility issues. We are using the PDF format now to overcome this issue. Is there such an add-on, or can one be created? Yes, such Software just recently became available have a look at the Sun ODF Plug-in for Microsoft Word here: http://www.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/index.jsp Currently only Text Documents are supported but support for Calc documents is also planned. Friendly regards Dennis Bouwers Motorhome-World [...] Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] open source developers
Hi there! Here at OpenOffice.org we have both types of developers those being paid by a company and enthusiasts working on it in their spare time. It´s fair to say that currently most work done on the source code for OpenOffice.org is paid work. The OpenOffice.org Community does though not only consist of developers, but also users helping each others, translators, people doing marketing etc. etc. and so there´s lots of unpaid community-work going on around OpenOffice.org. See on the following page how YOU can contribute: http://contributing.openoffice.org/index.html. And bye the way: Those developers which are free enthusiast may sometimes have luck and get sponsored eg. get monetary help for visiting OOo conferences or something like this. You can donate money too to make such things happen, if you like too ;-), see above mentioned page for details. The following table is a statistic about changes to files in the source code with different types of files counted seperately and their changers belonging to a company or belonging to the group individual developers on the 680 source code line. Every change to a file is counted equally here no matter how big or small it was so this statistic can give only a rough estimation. What you can see clearly tough here is that Sun is the biggest contributor to OpenOffice.org and you can also see who other known players are. Developer Group| Build | Code | Documentation | Image | Other |Template - unknown| 9|82| 0| 4780| 17| 0 Sun| 12324|106321| 8423| 29054| 18519|6081 Individual |842| 2554| 98|206|846| 997 RedHat |394| 2383| 0| 0|111| 0 Debian |294| 114| 1| 0|109| 0 Novell |217| 2041| 3| 3118|832| 1 Bureau Cornavin| 21|93| 2| 0| 9| 0 Fabalabs | 11|40| 0| 0| 1| 0 Google | 4| 7945| 4| 0| 71| 0 Propylon | 1| 2| 0| 0| 0| 0 Mandrake | 3| 0| 0| 0| 4| 0 INdT | 1| 0| 0| 0| 6| 0 That statistic was created round about one hour ago. See also: http://about.openoffice.org/index.html#history PS: Some other statistic [not made up by myself like the above one ;-) ] from some EU report I have recently seen even talks about Sun being the company contributing most to open source projects worldwide besides indiviual contributors. Bye the way Sun´s Homepage is here: http://www.sun.com/ Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Alvin Lim Liangce wrote: Hi, Just wondering about this. Not sure if this is the right place to send the question, or whether the answer is already available somewhere, but I'm really curious: When you developers work on open-source projects for OpenOffice, are you paid by your company to do so, or do you do it primarily because of interest, during your own free time outside of working hours? Also, just want to say thanks for the great job! I never use MS Office anymore, except during my finance class where Excel knowledge is compulsory. But even then, doing everything on Calc first is so much easier for me. Thanks, Alvin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Donation
Alan Frayer wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 18:43, Guy Voets wrote: 2007/2/23, Jeff-D [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would have liked to contribute since this is a great service you provide. However, I tried to make a contribution by credit card and it appears that I would have had to open a PayPal account. I do not want to open a PayPal account. So I didn't contribute. I was under the impression that I could pay by credit card. But I could not find a credit card option. I'm sorry. There currently is no credit card option, but you can use bank transfer if you don´t want to open a PayPal account. http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html#bank Kind regards, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Idea for making something NEW: COMBINE CALC and WRITER to ONE Product - or let them interact easily
File - New - TextDocument Insert - Object - Ole Object ... - OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet voila there you have your interaction and combination - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Need a applet to show spreadsheet that generated in the application server
zhouping wrote: I'm a new user of OpenOffice. What I want is a applet that can display spreadsheet document that generated in the application server. After reading the document and browsing samples, I find nothing useful. I'm still very confused. Does somebody can help me? Currently what i think it is what you might want to do might not really be possible in exactly that way that you would like to have it. 1.) A view in a small applet that can visualize a full featured office process running on an application server (including full office functionallity) was once possible with SunOne Webtop from Sun, but this product is no longer available. 2.) With OOoBean it is possible to embeed an OpenOffice.org Window into a java applet or java application but that also requires a full OpenOffice.org installation on the client. 3.) What you can do is to utilize OpenOffice.org and it´s API on the application server to generate a spreadsheet document. 4.) What you can also do is to convert that to HTML using the API for poor Visualisation on the client but without any editing capabilities and ability to change and recalculate on the client of course. 5.) For simple documents what you can also do is to use XML/XSLT libraries plus documentation about the OpenDocument FileFormat (ODF) plus some programming skills to generate a spreadsheet document without using an OpenOffice.org process but there you don´t have the possibilty to caculate formulas. you can use 3 or 6 together with either 4 or 2. There should be samples in the codesnippet section and developer guide that might be useful for doing so. You can also go for an approach of using something like a mixture of 5 and 3 on the application server: that would mean using XML/XSLT libs to generate an initial document and opening that in OpenOffice.org via the API for calculation of included formulars. The upcoming ODF toolkit will offer additional possibilities on the server side. Kind regards, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Project Proposal : ODF Toolkit
Hi there! First of all a big +1 for the proposal from me too. I would be especially intrested in having something available that could be used in server applications, eg. from java servlets, to create or modify ODF documents without the need of having to connect to a running soffice instance and if possible also without the need of an X server on Unix systems. Some comments follow inline Kai Sommerfeld wrote: I wonder if this shouldn't be part of XML or Extensions project? We thought about this as well and came to the conclusion that an ODF Toolkit is much more than XML file processing. It is about defining an API (therefore, it could belong to the API project) as well as about a first reference implementation based on existing OOo code. An ODF API would be a good thing for sure. Reusing existing API´s from OOo is also a good thing. I could imagine being able to write a component that works as an extension installed to OpenOffice.org by using OpenOffice.org API and also standalone installed in an application server / webserver with the ODF Toolkit API provided that these share a common base. Reusing existing code is something I am not sure about wether this is a good approach as it might imply having to use much things that aren´t really usefull outside the scope of an Office-application and because it would perhaps imply certain decisions about the architecture and programming languages used, but well let´s see. And it is about attracting developers that have never seen (and do never want to see) OOo code, but want ODF in their applications. The XML (and all other) existing OOo code projects require at least some knowledge of OOo code and architecture in order to understand what's going on there. It simply is a strange world for those non-OOo developers. Does this imply that there already IS a decision that the ODF Toolkit API is not based on UNO (which is one of the biggest thing to learn in OOo architecture), or is this conclusion wrong? Personally I would thing a ODF Toolkit could use UNO APIs and enhance them with some native-API´s with stronger language binding which would be easier to use by providing some more familarity in design to what the user knows on how things are usually done when programming with his/her favourite programming language. The new project makes the connection between OOo and ODF crisp and clear, but we do not want every user of the toolkit to become an OOo expert. The toolkit could mainly target developers who want to use ODF on server side applications. But who knows maybe even competitors of OOo might want to use that beast in their Office-Applications. - Kai. Kind regards, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Issuezilla and simple users, WAS: Re: [discuss] Re: [ui-dev] Proposing a new User Experience project on OOo
Hi there! Robert Derman wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: [...] Amen Marco! I have always despised Issuezill, and I think nearly everyone who is not a hardcore computer nerd does. It is just FAR to difficult for any newbies! Well, maybe issuezilla is too difficult for newbies but an email with just the subject It does not work fix it and no text at all to a mailing list is well just too simple for a developer. The newbie user is not the typical user of issuezilla typical users of issuezilla are developers, people doing QA, people doing documentation, people doing UX work etc., etc. that is people which organise and priorize their work and communication around OOo and those need clear descriptions about problems and features and they do need just a set of background information about things etc. pp., which might be seen excess of information to others not being involved with that work. In order to do this, to organise the work and communication of those stakeholders unfortunatly something that looks a little a bit to complicated for newbies is needed. Those feeling uncomfortable with reporting problems and/or feature wishes in issuezilla have always still the possibility to talk on the users or native-lang-users mailing lists and try to find someone being more involved with QA or UX work on OOo to move that problem or feature wish to issuezilla. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Proposing a new User Experience project on OOo
Lutz Hoeger wrote: Hi, Hi there! This message is cross-posted to discuss@, users@ and [EMAIL PROTECTED], in order to reach a broad audience. However, I would be happy if most of the comments / discussion / etc. could be sent to discuss@ only (not sure if the reply-to header works here). WHAT I would like to propose an OpenOffice.org User Experience (UX) project. a big +1 from me. It would be good to have an own homepage/project for this, I have already seen people searching for something like this. WHY [... snip ...] In fact, UX work already happens in many places on OOo, e.g. as part of feature specifications or spread across various issues. But there is no central home base for our activity on OOo, which makes it hard to see and understand what we do. [... snip ...] HOW Starting as an incubator, we would like to launch UX as a new project. This is where I disagree! The incubator project category is for something completly new that should grow up independently a little bit before becoming part of the product. But as you just pointed out UX work already happens and it is already part of the product. So IMHO we should just skip that step and create the ux project in the accepted projects category right away arguing that this is already accepted work which already is part of the product and that what´s being done by creating a project for it is just some kind of different modularization and that just some part of what´s already being done is going to become it´s own homepage. [... snip ...] Regarding roles, I would like to start this project as the project lead. +1 for that too [... snip ...] Co-Lead of the new project, I would like to propose Matthias Mueller-Prove, who is probably well known by many of you already. [... snip ...] and another +1 here [... snip ...] Thank You. Lutz Hoeger Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: one thing that would convince me to switch completly
Hi Andrew, Well a 1300 page document sure is a resource eater and with the setup you´ve described you´re just most likely working above your memory limits that´s why the system would be constantly swapping memory to disk and everythings so slow. Get more memory or use less applications at the same time. Add the numbers below to see what I mean. OpenOffice.org 1.x minimum Memory Requirement 64 MB + OpenOffice.org 2.x minimum Memory Requirement 128 MB + Firefox minimum Memory Requirement 64 MB (Recommended: 256 MB of RAM) + Thunderbird minimum Memory Requirement 64 MB (Recommended: 128 MB RAM or greater) + e-Sword??? MB + the usual array of anti-malware stuff ??? MB == 256 MB Source: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_20.html http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_11.html http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements.html http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/system-requirements.html Kind regards, Bernd discuss@openoffice.org wrote: Andrew wrote: My warm start time is less than 5 seconds. OOo 2.0-SIL ( Win2K SP3 256MB RAM ) took 5 minutes to start,and load one document last night. Granted it was a 1300 page document, and I also had OOo 1.1.5-US, Firefox (3 windows, who knows how many tabs in each window), Thunderbird, e-Sword, and the usual array of anti-malware stuff running. OOo 1.1.5 loads much faster than OOo 2.0-SIL OOo 2.0-ZA, or OOo 2.0.1-US. I haven't compared it against 2.0.4-IL yet. The major reason I amusing 1.1.5, is because I spend much less time waiting for the computer. [With 2.0, I write five or so words, wait five minutes for the program not responding message to go away,right another five words, and repeat the cycle.] xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] non-numeric data in calc chart....
Rory Walsh wrote: Hi everyone. Hi there! I have a bar chart to plots distances travelled each day over a set week, for example Week1Week2Week3Week4... Mon46 Tue24 Wed53 Thursday22 Friday56 What I would like to do is to somehow insert in each cell the means of transport, car, plane, bicycle etc. If there any way I can do this, it seems that whenever I put in any non-numeric value Cacl treats the cell as empty? Thanks in advance. You can use User-Defined Cell Formats and Styles for that. Do the following: Select the first cell that should be shown as by bicycle for example. Call Format-Cell Select tab page Numbers On this tab page select the Category User Defined and in the Format code box enter the following String 0 [$(Bicycle)] if you want to show eg. one digit after the comma use 0,0 [$(Bicycle)] instead Now click on the Styles and Formatting Icon the icon on the left beneath the Font box. In the Styles and Formatting-Window first select All Styles in the listbox at the botton than click the New From Selection icon ( the one in the middle on the right side ). A dialog box appears where you can enter the style name, use Bicycle. Now you should have a new Entry Bicycle in the styles list of the Styles and Formatting-Window. Select each cell that also is a Bicycle Cell and double click on that Bicycle entry in the list of the Styles and Formatting-Window. Now do similar for the other means of transport. If you create a bar chart from that now there is some extra trick needed so that the axis where the values are shown does not show (Bicycle) or (Car) for all values: Double click on the chart so that it gets into OLE Inplace Mode and you the the Chart Menu instead of the Calc Menu. Select Format/Axis/Y-Axis (assuming you have these values shown on the Y-Axis, otherwise use X-Axis). Select the tab page numbers uncheck the checkbox [x]use source format Select Category Number and Format Standard or whatever Format suits your needs best and click OK. Of course you can also use a User Defined Format there as an alternative and use eg. something like 0 [$miles] as the format string. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Rory. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] non-numeric data in calc chart....
Rory Walsh wrote: By the way, if I do this, which makes the chart look much clearer, how do I specify that the range no longer goes from say $A$1:$N$29 but the range is A1-to-A29, C1-to-C28, E1-to-E29 and so on? The problem is that my chart legend now includes those cells that contain the means of transport. In this case just select the cells that should be in the chart (using cltr-left-mousekey) including the title cells before you call Insert/ Chart. The Range field in the first page of the Autoformat chart-AutoPilot will show something like $Sheet1.$A$3:$B$5;$Sheet1.$D$3:$D$6;... than. Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Rory. McGuinness, Brian B C-E LCMC SEC Lockheed wrote: I would insert a new column after each week column and use the new columns to hold the means of transportation. For example: Week1Week2 Mon4Car 6 Bicycle Tue2Train 4 Car Wed5Plane 3 Car Thursday2Bus 2 On foot FridayCar 5 Rickshaw --- Brian -Original Message- From: Rory Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:27 AM To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: [discuss] non-numeric data in calc chart Hi everyone. I have a bar chart to plots distances travelled each day over a set week, for example Week1Week2Week3Week4... Mon46 Tue24 Wed53 Thursday22 Friday56 What I would like to do is to somehow insert in each cell the means of transport, car, plane, bicycle etc. If there any way I can do this, it seems that whenever I put in any non-numeric value Cacl treats the cell as empty? Thanks in advance. Rory. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] A novice story.
Hi there! The file is saved to a temp Directory by the browser, the browser starts OOo and the browser removes the file. There is no way for OpenOffice.org to know that the browser or email client is going to remove the file afterwards nor that OOo has been started from a browser or email client. The fact that the file is in some temp directory does not indicate that it will be removed afterwards there may be other situations where files are opened from a temp directory and not removed by some application/browser/email-client or cron-job. OOo would not know that somebody is going to remove something or not after OOo has done it´s work so OOo could not warn that they could lose the information because it´s not the instance that removes stuff. Thus if there is some enhancement possibility here besides not showing files that do no longer exist in the recently used list it is in the browser or email client not inside OOo. For the recently used list one would have to consider that especially if files reside on slow Network Volumnes it does have a performance cost to check wether all files still exists when opening the Recently Used list. Kind regards, Bernd Paul wrote: It is always good to hear stories, both good and bad... 1) I feel that items in the Recent Documents list should only be there / selectable if they exist. Both from OOo's perspective and PC's, the file is still there. It is saved to a directory. It is up to the user to then determine when the /tmp directory is cleaned. In fact I've just tried to replicate your actions, and a .sxw file opened from the web, doesn't appear in my 'recent documents'. 2) When a file is opened from the browser or even email client, and the user chooses to close the window, they should be warned that they could lose the information if they don't save as first Another good suggestion, but again, since the browser/email client has saved it to the file system (admitedly into a temp area) it could be understood that it is unnecessary to reask the user. If however you feel strongly about these issues, you can file an enhancement request and then people can vote. If popular enough the enhancements may make it into a later release of OOo. /paul On 11/22/05, Andi McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am the IT department for a small company, I wanted to share a story about one of the directors and his use of Linux and Open Office. I have designed and wrote the system for our business, using Linux. One of the directories who was running Windows 98, was fed up with the constant barage of pop-ups and virus alerts every time he went on the internet, so he asked me to set him up with a linux installation. Which I have done. We use Open Office as the de facto Office suite. For obvious reasons. :) The directory in question has an account with AOL, (Yes i was fun setting up Linux with it, but we got it working) He views his email on line, using a browser (Firefox). I sent him a presentation I had been working on. When he selected the presentaion Firefox asked what he wanted to do with it. Open with OOo or Save, as he wanted to view it, he choose Open with OOo, When he had finished with it, he closed down the programs and computers. A couple of days later, he wanted to look at the presentaion again, as he had downloaded the file, and viewed it in OOo, he choose OOo to view it again, He looked in the Recent Documents and there it was, When he tried to open it, he got File Not Found, He tried multiple times and got very annoyed. I finally got him to write down the error message, of course the file had been saved from the Web Browser into /tmp (Which gets cleaned on a reboot). I have since told him to save it first and then view it from his file manager. So a couple of points. 1) I feel that items in the Recent Documents list should only be there / selectable if they exist. 2) When a file is opened from the browser or even email client, and the user chooses to close the window, they should be warned that they could lose the information if they don't save as first. I do know the programming praticabilites this involves, but I want to concentrate on how the directory felt the program should work, not how a programmer thought it should. BTW I do not subscribe to this mail list, so please cc me on any posts [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Take OO to Experts Exchange
Kevin Cullis wrote: Hi all, Hi there! I just signed up with this web site: http://www.experts-exchange.com/ and thought that OO might get some legs with it via marketing of OO to a new crowd and provide solutions for OO customers in the mean time if the OO crowd would join. HTH sarcasm Yeah, well silly us using all these free mailinglists and web space service provided on the OpenOffice.org website if we have the alternative to use discussion forums on another totally unrelated web site were they have premimum services where we could pay for. Know what: if you want to pay for the possiblities to discuss with other OOo users and developers you can do that with openoffice.org provided services as well. You can even choose how much you want to pay, just follow this link: http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html /sarcasm Kevin Kind regards, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Can't login to X after install of m118
Hi Alex, Well, I don´t have a Fedore Core 3 here but from general Unix knowlegde this looks like a problem with the global XSession script ( usually in /etc/X11/xdm, if you don´t find it there look up the location in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config ) or with the users $HOME/.xsession script. Normally after logging in the xdm (or kdm if you use KDE ) program, that is the one presenting the login box, starts XStartup as root and than the XSession script as user. The xdm program detects that the X session ends when the XSession script ends. The XSession script in /etc/X11/xdm usually looks if a $HOME/.xsession script exists and starts that if it´s present. In your case it looks like the user root has a working $HOME/.xsession script and others not. What is usually done in $HOME/.xsession or in /etc/X11/xdm/XSession if $HOME/.xsession is not present is that some X11 programs are started in the background and than at the end one last X11 program is started in the foreground so that xdm can wait for this one to end to detect that the session has ended. This last program is normally the window manager. The mistake that seems to happen in your case is that everything which is started there is being started in the background and there is no program left to wait for. See the manual for xdm(1) for details. Or it could be wrong permissions on $HOME/.xsession or something alike. I am not sure wether OOo installation tries to do something with /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession or $HOME/.xsession. If it is reproducable that OOo installation messes one of those files up on Fedora please file an issue on issuzilla http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Alex Janssen wrote: I know this isn't really a subject for this forum so if you want it moved to another, I'll take it there. I just don't know where. I'm running Fedora Core 3 and had beta m113 installed. Everything working fine. I wanted to install the latest beta, m118. After doing a dl, I started a terminal and su'd to root. I ran rpm -e `rpm -qa openoffice*` to uninstall m113. All seemed Ok. I then untar'd m118, cd'd to RPMS and ran rpm -iv openofficeorg*, then rpm -iv desktop-integration/openofficeorg-redhat*. I did not see the entries in the office section of the menus, so I logged out to restart X. When I tried to login again, I got a message that my session lasted less than 10 seconds and to login in a failsafe session to fix the problem. I can login to X as root and see the menus and run everything but no normal user can do this. I tested by creating a new user and tried to login. The new user got the same results. I'm guessing that something is wrong with some permissions somewhere, maybe the menus. I sure would like to hear some ideas on this one. :-O **Help**. It is just a play system, but, still ... Thanks, everyone. Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: OO.o Macros with Python interpreter?
Hi there! [...] please let me know what you think of my reply to Daniel, where I talk of a set of python functions etc What I think is that you think about things that in reality are very hughe and complex as being small and simple things. When you say A set of python functions that just sounds like you are thinking an API for an Office Programm like OOo would only need well let´s say only a handful of functions to be exposed to someone wanting to write macros or extensions in Python or whatever language. The reality is much different: OOo exposes lots of special tiny details to the programmer enabeling a wide range of possibilities to modify documents and the user interface or to automate tasks. The OOo API can be called from different languages Basic, java, pyhton, C++, ... Please have a look at the reference manual at http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/module-ix.html to see how big and complex the API really is. This is definitifly not something that can be redesigned and rewritten from scratch easily in a few man-weeks work (eg. it´s not doable in some summer code camp or something similar like you suggested). One would have to do it all again from scratch if a new API should be created which should be usable by more than one open source applications. Despite that the implementation of the API is interlocked with the implementation of the programs features, which means you would have to rewrite most if not all of that too. The Koffice API might eventually be not that complex but you can be sure it´s totally different. And thus it would not be easy to align those two. If those two office packages had almost zero history and - well lets say development would just have been started a few weeks ago on them or similar - things may be different, but after all why start two fresh projects than using the same API, you would be better of concentrating on finishing one using the API you would have designed. Having said all that I suppose if it´s just for the very very very simple tasks like inserting some text into a document etc. there might in theory be the possibility to create two versions of a small library, exposing the same API to the programmer using two different sets of the underlying more complex Application APIs insided. Portability would than be there but usability and options for such a lib would be very limited compared to using the applications current own APIs directly. Thanks, Marco Kind regards, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]
Daniel Carrera wrote: [...] I recently suggested that we could have a testing branch (name inspired by Debian). It'd be something between stable and development. Right now, stable gets updated every 3-4 months, and new new features are added. Just bug fixes (some times). Development is not beta quality, and it gets updated every week. Maybe we should have a middle point. A testing branch that gets updated (say) every 3 weeks. It'd include new features, but yet would be reasonably stable. Sort of beta quality. What do you think? I think that would go very well. A potential countributor would see their contribution see the light of day a lot sooner. Users would get a fairly good product that still incorporates new features fairly quickly. A lot of us would love that. And we have the understanding that the user accepts the increased risk from deviating from the stable branch. And how do you envision the mechanisms to work for when and how something is integrated into that testing branch while ensuring that it would be reasonably stable? Confused, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Concern
Hi there! Alexandro Colorado wrote: [... snip ...] The behavior however that I couldn't explain was the one that happens when you start OOo. Since I dont use any firewall I couldn't duplicate it and verify it, but I did know people that duplicate and verify that OOo makes calls to the internet (or scans for it) everytime it gets boot up. This was some time ago (1 year) so I am not sure if we have eliminate this unnecesarry behavior. If I recall it correctly the reason for this was that OOo was just only! simply asking the system for it´s hostname on startup. Unfortunatly that system library call in turn on Windows caused the OS to initialize the internet connectivity with the ISP if it was not already online. Users than tought OOo would be trying to send something over the internet, as that was what it looked liked from the messages they got form their firewall, but that was not really true all OOo wanted was to get the hostname from Windows. I would blame it on the OS to not being able to answer that question without also having established a connection to the internet service provider. And YES, this unnecessary behavior has been eliminated in OOo a long time ago. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
