[discuss] Re: Hello
Am 15.09.2011 23:07, schrieb Mattias: Hi My name is Mattias Ghodsian and I'm the C.E.O of International Swedish Software Production and i wonder if its ok to use open-office on my company PC's ? i heard that it costs to do that If so !! then it cant be a free version Best Mattias / Inssp No, OpenOffice.org is free of charge for every usage. Use it on as much computers as possible. :-) Regards, Mathias -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: User related mailing list
Am 26.08.2011 01:04, schrieb Sigrid Carrera: Hello Mathias, *, On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:33:03 +0200 Mathias Bauer nospamfor...@gmx.de wrote: Am 24.08.2011 22:47, schrieb NoOp: Hmmm... OK. It was 'tongue-in-cheek' Drew. I'll not even comment on the Sun-Oracle lists transition :-) But I will add this; if OOoA goes to forums only, then I'll not be participating. [... many true points about problems with mailinglists and new users ...] It would be even better if there was a forum software that interacts with a mailing list in a bidirectional way: best of both worlds. I believe, that Nabble does something like this. And there may be other Forum-Mail-Gateways out there as well. Sorry, for the example from the competitor :) At LibreOffice we have Nabble setup and users can use the forum like interface to send messages to the mailinglist. Replies from others to the mailinglist get postet to the forum too. So everyone can use the system he/she prefers. You do need to register with Nabble before you can post, but that's something you would have to do with a proper forum as well. So no extra barrier. At LibreOffice, each mailinglist has its own forum so you can search just the part of the forum you're interested in. Thanks for the hint. Sounds interesting. Regards, Mathias -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: User related mailing list
Am 26.08.2011 02:31, schrieb NoOp: And those 'new' users should be directed to a web forum with the option to also use a mailing list instead. This approach (as implemented in OOo) has the disadvantage that the knowledge base is split. If ML and forum used and filled the same archive, we probably wouldn't discuss which one should be used: it would be just a matter of personal preferences. The more I think about it, the more I like that. I participate in many, many mail lists on a daily basis cannot possible begin to imagine trying to do so if all were web based forums. I also eliminate the need to fill my mailbox with messages from each by utilizing nntp via the gmane.org server. That way I can easily search the threads, see the new subjects headers, mark a thread as read if it is of no interest to me, mark threads as read by date if I've been away for a few days, tag threads by headers, and killfile a 'VENDAS - VITALLY' if I wish. Further I can easily switch from this list to the user list, etc., at the click of a mouse. And finally, if I wish to have an local archive of the list, I simply set my nntp reader (SeaMonkey) to download for offline viewing/sorting/searching etc. I can't do that with a web based forum. Sure, experienced users with a capable mail client can do a lot of things with their local mail database. If the client uses a standardized format like mbox, even more is possible as there are a lot of tools available that work on mbox and allow to do things that the mail program itself can't. And developers can even create their own tools. But what about the less tech savvy users, the users for whom the support media are created? Many of them have problems with even the simplest functions of their mail program. Such as? Can you honestly demonstrate a web based forum that the user can quickly and easily do as I do with my gmane.org nntp mail list setup? As I don't know how quick and easy you can do that, I won't try. :-) But I'm sure that the average (and moreover the less than average) OOo user can operate web fora better than a mail program (if they use one at all, many people use web frontends for mail). Add to that the excellent point made by Andy Brown regarding bandwidth/dialup issue. OOo targets all types of users, but is of particular value to 3rd world (includes US areas) users with limited and/or no regular internet connectivity. Thinking about that: subscribing to the ML and getting lots of mails in return most probably also needs some bandwidth. And if you want to search the archive, you have to use the web anyway. Posting a question to a forum and just reading its thread might use even less bandwidth than subscribing to this ML. But anyway, I confess that I really can't judge that as I never have been on dial-up, my first internet connection was DSL already. As a developer I like stackoverflow.com where posts and replies can be voted and posters get credits in return (simply put). Both means can help users to get through the jungle of posts and find the best answer just by searching, not by asking. And posts can be tagged, so you can search for them much better and faster than just scanning subjects. And you'd expect the same new users to OOo to understand: http://stackoverflow.com/search No. :-) This site was just an example that I know where such features are used. Of course it needs to be used in a simpler and nicer way to please typical users of an application like OOo. Many web fora at least have some rating functions already that are quite simple to use. The additional functionality that e.g. stackoverflow offers is that posts can be tagged, answers can be sorted by votes and that posters can gain something like credibility. A lot of things are possible in an environment where the whole communication process is under control of a single entity. E-Mail is nailed to the used protocols and what can be expected in the majority of mail clients. Again, we should try to become more open for new development and evaluate it without preconceived opinions. Yes we should. My initial post still stands: The answer is quite simple: notify all posters in the thread that their current thread all further ooo-...@incubator.apache.org discussions will be closed immediately and transferred to a web forum site instead. Are you talking about this list? I don't think that discuss should be moved to a web forum, I was just musing about user lists. Regards, Mathias -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: User related mailing list
Am 24.08.2011 22:47, schrieb NoOp: Hmmm... OK. It was 'tongue-in-cheek' Drew. I'll not even comment on the Sun-Oracle lists transition :-) But I will add this; if OOoA goes to forums only, then I'll not be participating. I think we all should try to become more open for new development. It is clear that mailing lists are easier to handle for the regulars, the most active participants. But OTOH a huge number of users looking for help (if not the vast majority) aren't experienced mail users. The results are known: - posts without subjects - destroyed threads - frequent mails with why do I get all these mails, please help me out of here (and that's just the polite version ;-)) - quoting disasters etc. So many of the benefits of a mailing list are partially destroyed. OTOH most users are used to web fora - and they know how to use them. For many years my answer to the question mailing list or web forum for user support would have been the same as yours - but times have changed and so I tried to find out why I prefer mailing lists over web fora. Remember, we are not talking about technical discussions or developer talks, it's about supporting users that usually just want to drop a question and not join a community. Or maybe, they might consider joining later, when they received a lot of help and started to like the forum. At the end there are only two things that really upset me: - without threads longer discussions are a mess - especially for power supporters it is important to track the status of posts reliably (read status or other markers like important etc.). There are already many fora that support threading, and as the maintenance of the thread no longer depends on the capabilities of the mail clients and their users, they might even do it better than the average support mailing list (IMHO users@ooo is a mess in that regard). So for me the second point (tracking of status) would be crucial: if the web forum was able to support me *reliably* in that regard, I could come to terms with it. It would be even better if there was a forum software that interacts with a mailing list in a bidirectional way: best of both worlds. Please, try to think about your statement again: is it really impossible to cope with web fora? It would be a pity to lose your valuable contributions in case the discussion arrived at the decision to prefer web fora for support. BTW, mailing lists also are limited in the way how you can work with them - you can't offer new features as this would require to update all the mail clients. In web fora everything is under control of the admin. Adding better search options (better than download the archive and search for it) or rating techniques could avoid a lot of questions that have been answered already - wouldn't that be an improvement? We won't be able to add any new features supporting users to a mailing list - web fora can do a lot more and there are numerous examples for it. As a developer I like stackoverflow.com where posts and replies can be voted and posters get credits in return (simply put). Both means can help users to get through the jungle of posts and find the best answer just by searching, not by asking. And posts can be tagged, so you can search for them much better and faster than just scanning subjects. Again, we should try to become more open for new development and evaluate it without preconceived opinions. Regards, Mathias -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: User related mailing list
Am 25.08.2011 19:24, schrieb Mike Scott: On 25/08/11 17:33, Mathias Bauer wrote: Am 24.08.2011 22:47, schrieb NoOp: Hmmm... OK. It was 'tongue-in-cheek' Drew. I'll not even comment on the Sun-Oracle lists transition :-) But I will add this; if OOoA goes to forums only, then I'll not be participating. I think we all should try to become more open for new development. It is clear that mailing lists are easier to handle for the regulars, the most active participants. But OTOH a huge number of users looking for help (if not the vast majority) aren't experienced mail users. The results are known: - posts without subjects - destroyed threads - frequent mails with why do I get all these mails, please help me out of here (and that's just the polite version ;-)) - quoting disasters etc. Like our present descadastra-me friend? :-) I take your point. But I have a suspicion his type will appear even on a forum, albeit in a different guise. It's easier to get rid of a web forum: just don't visit it anymore. :-) But mails keep coming to your inbox, whether you want them or not. But if anyone wants to think 'new development', there's no reason one shouldn't have the best of both worlds. Properly designed, you should have a back-end with all the info, and then web forum, mail list and newsgroup are purely different interfaces to the exact same database. I've no idea if such a thing has been written, but it would surely keep everyone happy. Yes, that would be great, and this was mentioned on the Apache dev-list quite a few times. I'm sure that this could be done, but I don't know if something like this already exists. Regards, Mathias -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: User related mailing list
Am 25.08.2011 19:33, schrieb RA Brown: I realize you are referring to No-Op's post but think of this, and it has been brought up in several different mailing list. Not everyone has high speed interent access. There are areas here in the USA that are lucky to have dial-up access, so forget broadband. To many people, from web designers to developers think that broadband access is total and covers everyone, it does not. At this time I live where I have broadband access, next week I may not. I remember dial-up and it is a pain when a web page is so loaded with graphics that you can get it to load. That's a good point, especially for countries with even worse connections than the average US user has. It's clear that one size fits all is not reachable. The goal is the best compromise. Regards, Mathias -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
Hi, with the explicit wording you have used in your mail I doubt that you are qualified to write about netiquette. Besides that, this is not a matter of netiquette, it's a matter of how the mailing list software works. The ML software of OOo works as it works, and I know other project where it works in the same way. That doesn't mean that it is perfect, but OTOH it's easy to understand and you are told how it works in every mail you receive. Being able to read is a clear advantage that you shouldn't abandon. Nevertheless, in case you are unable to read or follow the advice in the mail footer for whatever reason, usually kind people would help to unsubscribe you in case you asked politely. In case you know what polite means. Maybe you don't understand what I have written above. So let me translate it into your language: You showed a typical example of making a fool of yourself by choosing an inadequate communication style: why make it simple if you can fuck it up? I don't care who has registered in your name or with your account of how that has been done, I have a very poor opinion of you and that's that. Please apologize if my translation lacks the elegance of your own wording, my knowledge of your language is somewhat limited. Regards, Mathias On 08.08.2011 11:35, john tyler wrote: netiquette demands that unsubscribing works by inserting the request in the subject line this is a typical example of why I would never dream of using open office: why make it simple if you can fuck it up? I don't care who has registered in my name or with my account or how that has been done, I have a very poor opinion of open office and that's that. Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:58:08 -0700 From: rabr...@the-martin-byrd.net To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: [discuss] Re: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org John, You need to address the message to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org not put it in the subject. As for why your getting the messages you signed up for them, and you have to unsubscribe yourself. -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
On 08.08.2011 20:35, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 14:36, john tyler jcty...@hotmail.com wrote: your initials are FC? FUCKIN CUNT? Could someone please unsuscribe this retard, or troll? Thanks. :) FC Why? That would be an undeserved benefit for him. Perhaps we should get something from here http://www.google.de/search?q=popcornhl=deprmd=ivnsrsource=lnmstbm=ischei=0klATqO0Es3Wsgb40Nm8CQsa=Xoi=mode_linkct=modecd=2ved=0CBoQ_AUoAQbiw=1920bih=1033 lay back and watch the show. :-) Regards, Mathias -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: Are you considering to create a onenote-like program?
On 03.05.2011 09:19, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Nguyen Ngoc Quoc Thuan quocthua...@yahoo.com mailto:quocthua...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Open Office, I'm a Windows user and I'm about to change to linux. The one that I appreciate Linux community very much that it is free, and the Linux programmers do the jobs just for contribution to people. I'm now trying Ubuntu Linux and Open Office too. I think these features in Windows is valuable for me and it's very good if I can find it on Linux too: - In Office 2010, I can create a document with a table of content, then I save it to pdf format, the table of content of the document become the bookmarks of the converted pdf document. It's very useful when I want to publish my document to others. - Microsoft also have created an excellent program - onenote. With that application, I can easily takes notes and organize it to groups. Open Office have 2 version: for windows and Linux. So, I can start using it on Windows and when I change to Linux, I can reuse the documents that I created. It's good for users like me who is new to Linux. Thank you for reading. Linux users already have a solution called Basket: http://basket.kde.org/ I use a platform independent and browser based note book that lets me easily share my notes through several platforms and computers: http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ Highly recommended. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Oracle: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[discuss] Re: Are you considering to create a onenote-like program?
On 03.05.2011 21:54, tora - Takamichi Akiyama wrote: The OpenOffice.org Writer and Master Document are able to hold various embedded objects such as spread sheets, presentation slides, and text documents themselves and simple files such as photo images and also Microsoft Office files... Now I have become to feel that I would like to start development efforts of somewhat so-called OpenOffice.org Notebook. It would save contents into a tree structure consisting of several hierarchical directories (folders), instead of a single ZIP archive format. Don't underestimate the performance overhead created by file access etc. Notebook applications usually give instantaneous access - you won't reach that with single ODF documents. If we restrict ourselves to Writer documents, the closest you can get to that snappy appearance is a container like a glossary file. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Oracle: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. -- - To unsubscribe send email to discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
Re: [interface-discuss] Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed
On 10/22/2010 09:14 PM, Frank Schönheit wrote:
Hi Mathias,
If controls shall be accessible to auto tests or help content, they now
will need to get a HID assigned explicitly, the auto-HID feature of the
resmgr is gone. That's the small price to pay for getting rid of the
ridiculous HID compilation process and all the problems related to the
use of hid.lst.
Which is the ugly part of the (otherwise great) change :-\
If the layout manager, and the XML based dialog format, will not come to
our code base soon (Christian??!), it might be worth thinking of another
change: replace resource IDs with strings. The advantage (besides
getting rid of those ugly .hrc files) would be that the resource
compiler could again generate auto-help-ids, e.g. from
Dialog MyCoolDialog
{
PushButton Apply
{
...
}
};
, it could generate something like
org.openoffice.org://dialogs/module/MyCoolDialog and
org.openoffice.org://dialogs/module/MyCoolDialog/Apply as help
IDs/URLs ...
I considered that, but it would have been an even heavier change. You
won't believe it before you see it: resource IDs are used in
calculations even more than help ids. But there are more nice use cases.
I found code that only works if a RID for a string and a slot id have
the same offset to some base numbers. Sometimes RIDs have been used as
identifiers in other APIs (I need a numerical identifier - hey, we have
the resource ID, how nice, let's use it!).
etc. etc.
Switching resource IDs would have postponed the cws changehid for
another few months.
In the meantime I expect that the number of new dialogs or tab pages
will be manageable. Adding HIDs by a script is a small price, IMHO. Even
manual adding of HIDs takes only a few minutes as a one-time operation
(how many new dialogs do you write per week?).
Well, yes, having an XML-based resource format, where resource elemtns
have string identifiers, too, would remove the need for such a change to
the resource compiler ...
Yes, I think that this is the right way to go. For the existing src
files the removal of auto-HIDs isn't a problem, all files have been
converted already. Implementing a new resource format and using it for
new UI probably won't take longer than switching the existing code base
to string based resource IDs.
Regards,
Mathias
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Re: [discuss] Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org
On 10/19/2010 12:43 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Christian Lippka wrote: So we have at least 4430 patches included and a maximum of 273 of patches rejected. Even if all of the 273 where rejected without reason (which they are not, just read the issues) I suspect your point is invalid. Hi Christian, I wonder why you (without a need) exclude the more interesting new/unconfirmed/started/reopened patch issues - some of them with nice 4-digit issue numbers: http://is.gd/g7jW5 While it is true that there are outstanding patches, it is also true that - as Joost pointed out - some of them are assigned to developers that now work on LO. I don't want to pass the buck - it just should explain that sometimes there may be valid reasons for not integrating a patch immediately. Anyway, even if you included these outstanding patches, I hope that you don't join Jonathan in his ridiculous allegation that Sun had rejected the majority of contributions from others. This just isn't true, and even if we wanted to prove that, we couldn't, as he didn't back that up with data. OTOH, the data presented by you and Christian at least proves the opposite. I know that you will understand what I want to express, but for others that don't: I don't say that Sun did not reject contributions (we did, for various reasons, most of the time a missing SCA or that the patch just was not sufficient), but I deny that Sun rejected the majority of contributions. Read the presented data, do the math. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Oracle: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice is it a community
On 10/21/2010 06:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 20/10/2010 22:43, Simon Brouwer a écrit : Op 20-10-2010 18:54, Rob Clement schreef: I bring to the attention of this group an article from ZDNet and wonder what others think of these events http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/oracle-purging-openofficeorg-community-council/7575?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE And if that’s the case, then OpenOffice.org is no longer a community endeavor, but entirely a corporate project. Wrong conclusion. The OpenOffice.org community does not just consist of the Community Council. No, the conclusion is correct because the Community Council members which are asked to resign are all elected by the Community. Their leading position in TDF/LO and OOo might bring them into conflicts of interest (see below), so it is a valid request to ask them to choose in which project they want to take a lead. Contributing to LO/TDF is no problem even for a council member (at the end every contributor to OOo also contributes to LO as they will use our code as a stone pit ;-)), but being a *lead* in both project most probably won't fit. IMHO all people that currently have a lead in both projects should answer these questions: (1) If a member of the OOo community asks you, which of the projects (s)he should support (if time does not permits to support both), what is your answer? (2) If users, organizations etc. will ask you, which product they shall use, what is your answer? (3) Developers ask you if they shall contribute to LO only or to both projects, what is your answer? Or moreover, if a developer that contributed to LO doesn't ask, do you suggest that he should contribute to OOo also? If the answer won't be OOo, OOo, both/yes, I think that it is time to step back from leading positions in the OOo community, as this would be the answer that can be expected from a project lead or council member of OOo. Everything else will create confusion or even frustration in our community that will hurt it. Besides that: I'm sure that we will see new elections for the community council seats. So everything that happens there is only a temporary constellation. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Oracle: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [interface-discuss] Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed
On 21.10.2010 19:30, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Mathias, On Thursday, 2010-10-21 17:41:45 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote: Title: Treatment of HelpIds changed Effective from: CWS changehid What exactly do developers working on a CWS that introduces new HIDs have to do after having rebased that to a milestone where CWS changehid was integrated? Eike Replace the number by a string, I gave an example on the wiki page. Look at the existing helpid.hrc files, it should be easy to understand. Let's assume you have HelpId = HID_FOO_BAR; in your src file and #define HID_FOO_BAR SC_HID_START+4711 or so in your helpid.hrc file. With the changes in cws changehid this won't compile anymore as the rsc thankfully points developers to all places that still use numbers instead of strings. The easiest way to get your compiled would be to just change the hrc file to #define HID_FOO_BAR SC_HID_FOO_BAR (assuming that the file belongs to the sc module). That's all. The same applies if you have code like SetHelpId( HID_FOO_BAR ); If controls shall be accessible to auto tests or help content, they now will need to get a HID assigned explicitly, the auto-HID feature of the resmgr is gone. That's the small price to pay for getting rid of the ridiculous HID compilation process and all the problems related to the use of hid.lst. Do you think that I should explain that more detailed in the wiki? Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Oracle: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: interface-discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: interface-discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Open Office Compilation in windows
On 11.08.2010 14:24, naser wrote: checking which shell to use... configure: error: /usr/bin/gawk, awk, tar or gunz ip is a cygwin symlink! Native windows programs cannot use cygwin symlinks. Remove the symbolic link, and copy the program to the name of the link. I found several solution in net and already implemented all but still facing the problem. For example::I triyed with cd /bin rm awk.exe cp gawk.exe awk.exe The error is aboput gawk being a symbolic link; so you should remove gawk (not gawk.exe) if it exists and copy awk.exe to gawk.exe. and also for gzip.exe / gunzip.exe; Not a .exe - the link does not have an extension. So please remove gunzip (if it exists) and copy unzip.exe to gunzip.exe. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] A performance question
On 17.08.2010 18:53, William W. Austin wrote: Normally when I work from home, I use OOo (3.2.0) on a Linux workstation with 8 Gb of RAM, a 2.6GHz quad-core AMD Phenom X4 9950 CPU, fast disk drives and other performance-oriented H/W. This weekend I had to do some maintenance and my favorite box was down so I used a 'slower' PC with slower drives, 4GB of memory, and a slower CPU (dual core Athlon 64 @ 6 GHz), under Windows 7, and performance-wise OOo 3.2.0 on it ran rings around the faster Linux box. (I had never tried it there before on anything longer than a grocery- list spreadsheet.) Is there a known reason for the performance difference between the Windows version and the Linux version? Or am I seeing something else probably unrelated to the software itself? Usually OOo is faster on Linux on identical hardware. From the load meter, I notice that on Linux, OOo seems to max out only one core on the CPU - however, it seems to split across both cores on the Windows 7 machine. While I expect that this has something to do with it, I am hard pressed to believe that this is the single cause. Most of the OOo work is done in a single thread on Windows and Linux; there shouldn't be any difference. I think that the performance meter doesn't reflect reality on Windows. As a test I 'borrowed' a novel my wife is working on (about 900 pages, no illustrations, all one long .odt document) and here are the comparative times (in seconds) Fedora 13 Linux Windows 7 --- - Open (empty) writer screen4.7 2 Load doc originally 30.9 3.1 Save doc 3.9 4.2 Update TOC 154.1 2 Send final page of doc to printer29.8 2.8 Export .pdf filegave up* 29.5 *At 10 minutes I stopped counting and killed the process as only The Linux times are ridiculously slow - I get much faster times on my Core2Duo Notebook on Linux. The Windows 7 times are comparable to what I get with XP on my Notebook (2 GHz). You must have a serious performance bottleneck on your Linux machine that is not directly related to OOo. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: open office - language issue
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2009/12/29 6:49 AM DrNoiZ wrote: but as I was downloading the Greek version for windows found out that there is a version in macedonian language. As I can recall there is no such language recognized in the whole world. Macedonian is the official language of Republic of Macedonia. Most United Nations member countries have recognised the country as the Republic of Macedonia. These include four of the five permanent UN Security Council members—the United States, Russia, United Kingdom and the People's Republic of China; several members of the European Union such as Bulgaria, Poland, and Slovenia; and over 100 other UN members. It is only hate-mongering, narrow minded bigots that deny this. Besides that: the dispute about Macedonia relates to the name of the country, not to the name of the language. Nowhere in OOo we refer to a country named Macedonia, here we are talking about a *language*. And the term Macedonian is absolutely correct. ISO uses MACEDONIA, THE FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF as the name of the country: http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements but is uses Macedonian as the name of the language: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php So - as the pseudonym of the poster says - it's just noise. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] PDF Issues
Hi, Dr. Cadwell wrote: Good Day Mathias, Thank you for your input. While I was already aware of a good portion of that have learned more, My friend, was not since I failed to show her how to do the export I am quite sure my choice of words ended up incorrect for you Much More Experienced OO users, so I won't bother you again. No reason for that. Not everybody is an expert or has to be one - everybody interested in OOo is welcome on our lists. Perhaps problems like the ones you mentioned better fit to our users list than to our discuss list. But for me they are not completely off-topic here. So don't feel driven away. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] PDF Issues
SunCat wrote: Open Office discussion list: I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for School ) as a PDF. There is no such thing as saving as PDF in OOo. OOo can't open PDF files again, so by intent we only have a PDF *export*. That means, if you call Save As, PDF is not offered in the list of file formats, you have to call Export. This shall make clear that you won't be able to re-edit that file and that you still have to save the document to another format if you want to be able to do that. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it. Microsoft Office also is not able to load PDF files, regardless if they have been created with OOo, Adobe Acrobat (the full version) or any other application. Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. That is definitely wrong. Are you sure that the file is a PDF file? It sounds that it is an odt file with a pdf extension. Only OO will read it and sometimes not then. No! If OOo can open what you think is a PDF file it isn't one. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking OO’s implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip off open source coding? Thank you. The Adobe Reader can only read PDF files, without being able to edit it. If you want to save a file in OOo into a format that OOo can read and edit again, use the Open Document Format (ODF), in Writer this is an odt file. What MS Office is able to read is not under our influence. They claim to be able to read ODF documents, but their support is lousy compared to the importing capabilities of OOo for the MS Office formats. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Alternate Input Method for Input Box on Password-Protected Write Files and all Open Office Input Boxes
J. Parks Hammond wrote: Email0910131245 When you open an Open Office password-protected file in Open Office Writer 3.1.1, a password input box appears. After the password is typed in, the newer forms of the program will only submit the password and open the file when the pointer is placed on the “OK” button and the mouse clicked. In previous versions, the shortcut input of pressing the “Enter Key” was allowed as a substitute for clicking the OK button. For us old time users and all users with keyboards, keeping the old “press Enter Key” as a default method for input or answering “OK.” Makes the program more usable and user friendly. This is just a bug. I suggest that the “press Enter Key” be adopted as a standard alternate input on all Open Office input boxes. And it will be fixed in 3.2. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Network problems in a MAC World
Hi, the answer was exactly to the mail I have quoted. That's what quotes are for. ;-) Regards, Mathias Abilene Trophies wrote: This must be an answer to someone else's question. I am running the latest version of Open Office and recently downloaded the latest version of Google Chrome Browser. My problem is copy/paste from Open Office to Gmail when using Google Chrome Browser. I was haveing to paste to another office suite, then copy the text again and fro there i was able to paste to Gmail in Google's Chrome Browser. No other browsers or other emails were giving me this problem. This may be fixed since I just downloaded Chrome yesterday. Thank you for replying but I think your answer here may be for someone else unless I am misreading the message. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Mathias Bauer nospamfor...@gmx.de wrote: Mark C. Miller wrote: The school I teach at is predominately a Mac facility. All the servers are MACs as are the general purpose computer labs. We have four special purpose labs that use PCs. A recent effort to increase use of OOo has suffered because of a problem saving files to Mac servers. Students have individual accounts on the school's servers. When a student goes to File Save [or save as], an error message is generated; I'm told there are about six different ones all dealing with unable to save in some fashion. Sorry I lack the specifics, but they weren't shared with me. I was asked to research the question of any known problems with OOo on Mac computers (Intel chiped) and PCs (most P4s; running XP) and Mac networks. I'm not being asked to offer solutions. If anyone can speak to known issues, I would appreciate it. You didn't tell us which version of OOo exactly you are using. If it's a 3.x version a possible problem may be that the server configuration prevents the creation of OOo lock files. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Network problems in a MAC World
Mark C. Miller wrote: The school I teach at is predominately a Mac facility. All the servers are MACs as are the general purpose computer labs. We have four special purpose labs that use PCs. A recent effort to increase use of OOo has suffered because of a problem saving files to Mac servers. Students have individual accounts on the school's servers. When a student goes to File Save [or save as], an error message is generated; I'm told there are about six different ones all dealing with unable to save in some fashion. Sorry I lack the specifics, but they weren't shared with me. I was asked to research the question of any known problems with OOo on Mac computers (Intel chiped) and PCs (most P4s; running XP) and Mac networks. I'm not being asked to offer solutions. If anyone can speak to known issues, I would appreciate it. You didn't tell us which version of OOo exactly you are using. If it's a 3.x version a possible problem may be that the server configuration prevents the creation of OOo lock files. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] WG: Missing German Spellchecker old rules (as in MS-Office and ADOBE Products)
chris.kel...@csbkeller.de wrote: Hello again, Finally I was able to find the spellchecker, by accident! It was well hidden. Searching didn’t help at all – poor site! Testing was at my VMware Instance and went good so far… Happily I installed your Product onto my Laptop. But what a disappointment! * OOffice tries to send some messages via Port 80 about twice a minute! What for? Who needs such information anyway? And it is against German and EU Laws to reveal any Information, the user is not informed about! I assume you have approved that OOo should look for updates (in the welcome wizard). Another point where OOo will try to open a connection is the improvement program. But also here you will be asked for permission. Without a permission OOo won't try to connect. * Then, after a good start I Installed the (old rules) spellchecker (to make it work properly the regular one must be deinstalled (!) first) and managed to define my preferred defaults. Now using Franklin Font as default, all special German signs (öäüß…) are displayed correctly. The spellchecker corrects the “new” spelling “dass” into “daß” exactly right. After those tests I saved the document. After reopening it shows instead of “daß”: “da°” I tried all options for saving – every time the same! Opening the same test sheet (produced with OOffice-writer) with MS Word results in correct visualization of all special Chars! OOo surely is able to store the documents' text correctly. If you got a problem with your umlauts, I assume that you have stored your document as a pure text file. It *might* be possible that OOo's pure text filter didn't guess the encoding on loading correctly, but even then you can get the correct result by using the filter Text (encoded). If you have stored your document in ODT or doc format, I doubt that the error you found will happen without some action from your side that you forgot to meniotn. We have several millions of users and in all the years I never saw a single case where someone reported that. If you just open a new document, type in daß and save it, you will get it again when you reopen it. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Product Registration
Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: I hope that this is the right LIST; I can't think of anywhere more appropriate. Having just installed 3.1.1 I was confronted, as in previous versions, by the registration dialogue box containing 3 alternatives: Register now Register later Don't register It would be nice to have a fourth alternative: Already registered for obvious reasons. Saying I don't want to register doesn't have the same feel to it as saying I am already registered. :-) We had that fourth option in former times. I don't know why it was removed. I guess because of a better user experience. ;-) Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Good idea about integrating Freemind in OpenOffice
ARI URCULLU VILLANUEVA wrote: Hi, I am studying at the university, and I am developing some extensions for OpenOffice for my end project of the degree. When I finish my degree I will set free the extensions. The objective of this letter is to ask for advices and functionalities that could be desirable that the extensions could have. My extensions, are going to integrate the Freemind program, each one, in OpenOffice Writter, Calc, Impress, Base,Draw and Math, respectively. Freemind program is a premier free mind-mapping software written in Java. I ask for features and functionalities that you could want that these 6 extensions could have. If you have any question just ask me. Thank you for your time. That sounds like an interesting project. What kind of integration do you think about: data exchange through a filter? Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: 3.1 vs. 3.2
Ugly Sean wrote: Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 04.07.2009 05:47, Ugly Sean a écrit : Is there a registry patch or some other setting to quickly restore this? It's not a bug, it's a feature : to restore files associations install the stable version 3.1. Developer versions are build without system integration in order to not destroy settings for stable versions. How unfortunate. There is a text editor I use that seems to function in a SIMILAR way. It's easy to set file associations, even with the beta versions. However, the betas are time-limited programs and are rendered non-functional around the projected time of the stable release. As with OOo they are by default installed in a separate directory. Also as with OOo they are usually quite stable as is and I have no need to have two working versions installed at once. I was looking for a shortcut to setting the associations. Failing that I guess I can -Reinstall 3.2 DEV - If that doesn't work then reinstall 3.1 and rip the relevant registry entries before (IMHO) upgrading back to 3.2 DEV and reintroducing the associations back to the registry. I really am impressed and this seems to be the only real disappointment I've had - one that I apparently have to put up with. I do, however, thank you for clarifying this for me. If you want to have a system integration for your developer build, install it from the command line with setup.exe WRITE_REGISTRY=1 of (if you know how to work with the orca tool) set the WRITE_REGISTRY property in the OOo msi file to 1. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice for supporting multilanguage documents?
jonathon wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: Basically this is possible, perhaps using smart tags. I've seen a variant that used paragraph styles, rather than smart tags. Whilst one can argue that it works, it is more efficient to use Omega-T, or its competitors. Were one to recode Omega-T as an OOo Extension, then OOo _might_ approach the efficiency of using Omega-T as a stand alone tool. Of course an extension is needed here. As OOo itself does not have any functionality using smart tags my answer automatically included that. Last year I was in contact with someone who was interested in developing such an extension, but finally we didn't start the project. The idea behind smart tags in OOo is that text can be tagged and extensions can tell OOo which functionality they can apply to text with a particular tag. Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice for supporting multilanguage documents?
Chynte wrote: You define one language as the master language. You create your documentation in this language with all your objects like text, charts, screenshots etc. as you would do today. But then you give each object an attribute saying, it must be translated or not if you want to create a documentation in a new language. To create a child document in a new language, you choose the Master document as base. The only job you have to do is to translate the marked objects directly in OpenOffice. OpenOffice helps with the translation job by offering recognized words or sentences which can be wrapped by one mouse-click. If the master document is changed (most of the time it will be a bug fix), you can see in all the child documents the change as new proposal in the background. I think, multi-language documents are generated in a lot companies. The way, how such documents are created is very complex. You write your documentation with one software (OpenOffice Writer, Microsoft Word, Adobe Indesign, ...). Then you extract the sentences, translate the text and replace it in the original document (like OmegaT). If OpenOffice can offer tools which can support multilanguage documents, we have a very important feature companies want. What´s your opinion? Basically this is possible, perhaps using smart tags. The question remains who will implement it. ;-) Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] saving odt files unzipped
Liheng wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: You can compare that with the way Windows handles html files with accompanying folders. This code could be re-implemented and encapsulated in a filter. But I guess the priority to do that isn't The accompanying folders is a solution for saving FlatXML, but when you want send a mail with a FlatXML, you must bind the accompanying folders manually. I think almost user need all files in one archive. I wouldn't use that format for sending mails. It's meant as a solution for those who want versioning system support. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] saving odt files unzipped
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Mathias Bauernospamfor...@gmx.de wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: sure you cant but some parts only. Some other parts are fixed into the OOo internal binary template that will ignore, like meta information for example. I don't know what an OOo internal binary template is, maybe you are talking about the internal default values for the default paragraph style. Anyway, this is completely unrelated to the question. No I mean the user-defined fields on the Document properties under meta.xml. The internal binary template of OOo will ignore aditional user-defined fields from the 4 slots it has. Not sure if this is fixed now on 3.1 since last I tried was 2.4 but I am sure I can find that out soon. Just to avoid confusion, let me go into details here. Maybe in the beginning OOo 1.x was not able to handle more than 4 custom properties correctly (I don't remember that exactly), but at least OOo2(!).0 was able to load and save them, so they were not ignored. OOo didn't have a UI to show them before 3.1, but they could be accessed via Basic. In OOo2.4 we also added support for these properties in Writer text fields: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/custom_properties_and_fields So now there was a way to make custom properties visible. In 3.0 finally we added support for arbitrary meta data. ODF allows to put any kind of meta data into meta.xml, not only properties, and before 3.0 we just ignored that. Now this data is read, preserved and written again (we keep the whole DOM tree of meta.xml internally instead of just picking up the properties in it as before). OOo 3.1 finally also has got a new UI for displaying custom properties. UPDATE: ok it seems behavior has change a bit, and now at least the XML is preserved after adding extra nodes to the XML. Before it use to rewrite the XML for what it was said to be a standard internal binary encapsulation of ODT which arguably break compatibility. For example if I have an ODT editor that has 10 user-defined fields, as opposed to OOO's 4. All this ODT meta-info would be errased after OOo opens it. -- No longer the case. As I wrote, that was fixed already a long time ago. Maybe you didn't have custom properties, but custom meta data? This was fixed in 3.0. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: saving odt files unzipped
Mike Carifio wrote: Mike Carifio wrote: Is it possible to read/write/edit .odt files with swriter in their unzipped state? That way I can use svn for version control of the parts. Pl. advise. Thanks. I wasn't specific enough in my question. Second try. Suppose I create a document using swriter 3 called my_example_document.odt. It's a binary document, but actually it's a zip file which I could unzip after I've saved it. On a recent Linux using bash and unzip, I could say something like: $ unzip -d my_example_document my_example_document.odt $ cd my_example_document $ ls -1 Configurations2 content.xml META-INF meta.xml mimetype settings.xml styles.xml Thumbnails This is the exploded content of the odt file my_example_document.odt. I could (say) check this into an svn repo with something like: $ svn add ..; svn commit .. -m my_examnple_document Ok, good so far. Now I update my_example_document.odt using swriter, adding some more content. If I want the exploded contents to reflect these changes, I need to do the unzip operation again, overwriting the old contents of the directory my_example_document. What I'm looking for is an approach that reads the document from the directory my_example_document, let's me edit the contents, and then writes out the document to my_example_document unzipped. Based on the previous responses, I guess that there's nothing current built in that makes swriter work this way. I might be able to write something myself, but I don't currently have enough swriter expertise to do this. But I can ask the question. Please advise. Thanks. As I wrote, once there was something built-in and the following macro should have stored everything so that it looks like an unzipped ODF file: dim props(1) as new com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue props(0).Name = Overwrite props(0).Value = True props(1).Name = Unpacked props(1).Value = True ThisComponent.storeToURL(myURL, props()) But it doesn't work in 3.0, so this API feature broke somewhere in the past. I already had a look on the code and indeed there's a bug that prevents it from working. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] saving odt files unzipped
Malte Timmermann wrote: So I guess wrt version control, the API approach with an extension for loading/saving in folder structure is the better approach. FlatXML has the disadvantage that files can be very big when binary content is encoded and included. Changing one word in content.xml would result in storing everything again, while the API approach would only result in modified content.xml and maybe some metadata. But of course, there are also advantages in FlatXML: - supported via vanilla OOo, no extension needed - only one file, so no complex change sets with multiple files in version control Not everything can be done with FlatXML files. - Digital signatures only work on ODF packages (So it also wouldn't work with directories) - not sure about document specific persistent configurations Why do you think that this won't work with a folder? It depends on the abstraction level that the signature component uses. If it uses Package: lost. If it uses storage: should work. Every OOo component that accesses ODF files through the storage abstraction should be able to work with folder also as we have implemented this by providing a storage implementation based on a UCB folder content. Of course the top level component that starts accessing or storing to the storage must use the right UNO service (not the generic Storage service, but the folder based one). For OOo 1.x I also had an implementation that automatically created a place holder file that was stored next to the folder and by loading the place holder file (that was recognized as an OOo format by our TypeDetection as it contained just the magic bytes of our file formats!) OOo transparently worked with folders instead of packages. Cool, isn't it? :-) You can compare that with the way Windows handles html files with accompanying folders. This code could be re-implemented and encapsulated in a filter. But I guess the priority to do that isn't high. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [interface-discuss] Re: [interface-announce] info/CWS calc51 : New constants com::sun::star::sheet::FilterOperator2
Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Mathias, Yes, even published constant groups were allowed to be changed, didn't know that but IMHO the problems caused by that (or not caused by that) are the same as in case of enums. We treated them differently, though there is no technical reason. No language binding today would have a technical problem with an extended enum as none of them really does boundary checks and breaks if a new enum value is found (even C++). In the C++ language binding, a Foo_MAKE_FIXED_SIZE = SAL_MAX_ENUM is generated for a enum type Foo. IIRC, this was introduced a few years ago, because of anticipated or real problems with the enum size ... But where is it used? This is just a crutch because C++ does not have this built-in. If the crutch is not used anywhere... Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: interface-discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: interface-discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] saving odt files unzipped
Alexandro Colorado wrote: sure you cant but some parts only. Some other parts are fixed into the OOo internal binary template that will ignore, like meta information for example. I don't know what an OOo internal binary template is, maybe you are talking about the internal default values for the default paragraph style. Anyway, this is completely unrelated to the question. OOo can store documents unzipped and it can do this in two different ways. Ths first is the flat XML format, usually created with an XSLT based filter. This will put the whole document (content.xml, styles.xml, settings.xml, meta.xml) into one single XML file, images will be stored BASE64 encoded, OOo internal OLE objects will become inlined, COM objects will also be stored BASE64 encoded. Every additional alien content will be lost (but - as the name alien should make clear - OOo itself does not create such kind of content). But AFAIK there's nothing from OOo's own stuff that gets lost. The second one is available only via API: by passing a parameter (I don't remember the exact name, but it is documented in the DevGuide) to the storeAsURL call you can get all streams (that usually get packed into a zip container) written into a folder on disk (that itself gets the name passed as URL). As this code probably hasn't been used since years it's possible that it has got some bugs over time. This API based solution is a lossless procedure, but loading this content again will require some external processing or e.g. an extension. Basically OOo can load this stuff, but without some help it is not possible to make it do that (main reason: you can't select a folder in the file picker to load its content). Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
[discuss] Re: [dev] Re: [discuss] using OpenOpt (numerical optimization) from OpenOffice Calc
Alexandro Colorado wrote: woukd be great but we need to upddate python within OOo. is an ongoing task. On 5/1/09, JKR j...@mail333.com wrote: Hello list, is it possible to connect Python-written numerical optimization framework OpenOpt (http://openopt.org) to OOo Calc? I guess especially NLP (nonlinear) and GLP (global) solvers would be useful: http://openopt.org/NLP, http://openopt.org/GLP all other are mentioned here: http://openopt.org/Problems Python has been updated to 2.6 in OOo 3.1. In case that is enough for this framework, you might want to ask on d...@sc.openoffice.org for help. I doubt that someone from the Calc team will want to work on that, but I'm sure they will give help to anybody doing this himself. The Calc solver is able to connect to external libraries and a student in Hamburg already has written a Java based extension for a non-linear solver, so some experience using the interface to external solver libraries exists. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please
Robert Derman wrote: A. Will Oracle have no interest in OOo, and cut it adrift? In which case the organization will have to become independent of any major corporations. B. Will Oracle see OOo as a convenient club to beat Microsoft with and put a lot of resources into it to make it a true MS Office killer? I understand that there is little love lost between Larry Ellison and Gates Balmer. C. Will the status quo be maintained? D. None of the above, something else entirely? Even if someone of us OOo people from Sun knew something about that, for legal reasons (s)he would not be allowed to talk about that in public. The US law sets very strict rules for that. Violating them can cause financial penalties or it can even put an end to the take-over. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please
Michael Adams wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:54:50 +0200 Came this utterance formulated by Kristofer Åberg to my mailbox: what makes you sure that spammers did not arrive at your website, rather than this list? Our web site is built with Joomla (another great open source project) which hides the e-mail addresses from spam bots - try shutting off your JavaScript when viewing the site and you will not be able to see the e-mail address. http://floatingsun.net/articles/on-email-obfuscation/ If it looks like an email address it can be harvested. There is an option in Joomla! to not publish email addresses and i recommend this method, especially as there is a contact form. But aside from that, I have been on this list for several years and though the list may facilitate harvesting the best defence method AFAIK is to use an outbound and inbound address for emails to lists. Subscribe both addresses but never collect emails from the one that you send emails out on. Yes you loose emails addressed personally, but if you set reply-to munging to explicitly force replies to the list, then even this is reduced. It is a simple matter to set the server to drop all incoming mail to a given email address. My ISP is happy to let the mailbox accumulate emails which they purge periodically. That's the strategy I'm following also (see my sig). For anything else than the mails to the lists I'm subscribed to, I let Thunderbird sort out the spam and it does it very successfully. Only those mails to my nospam address that are not classified as spam are visible to me and there are only a few of them. The spam threat coming from our mailing list archive seems to be a little bit overrated. I get only a low two-digit number per day though I'm subscribed to many lists since back to 2000. And, as I wrote, most of them are caught by Thunderbird's spam filter. Nevertheless, I can understand if others have a different opinion about that and as there is not much sense to show the mail addresses in the archive, I would opt for removing or obfuscating them if that was possible. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: using OpenOpt (numerical optimization) from OpenOffice Calc
JKR wrote: Well, if the task of swithing OOo-Python applications to new version is so complicated, maybe you could add just another version of Python interpreter to OOo, say 2.6 (it is about 10 Mb), along with 2.3, that will stay for a while yet, until all applications will be adopted to 2.6? Best wishes, J. P.S. Unfortunatly, I have no experience to provide any code or assist. On 5/4/09, JZA wrote:woukd be great but we need to upddate python within OOo. is an ongoing task. On 5/1/09, JKR wrote: Hello list, is it possible to connect Python-written numerical optimization framework OpenOpt (http://openopt.org) to OOo Calc? I guess especially NLP (nonlinear) and GLP (global) solvers would be useful: http://openopt.org/NLP, http://openopt.org/GLP all other are mentioned here: http://openopt.org/Problems Best wishes, J. I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking for. Anyway, OOo 3.1 will come with Python 2.6. Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: Open Office - Latvian lang.
Russell Butler wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: Hi, Normunds Gudens wrote: Hello! You have perfect product! But not in my language. Maybe I can help you translate Open Office to Latvian language? Its not first time for me, i do that with e-shop. I can translate from: latvian (my default lng), english, russian (perfect knowleges), spanish (speek little), swedish (speek little). Perfect, if i can translate from russian or english. How you think? Best regards, Normunds Gudens I was on a conference in Latvia last year and I met many people who would be very glad to see a Latvian translation of OOo. So it's great to see people wanting to work on that! The Latvian translation has been stalled for years, but in February 2009 a new Latvian Native Language Project lead was announced on the d...@l10n list, Normunds Gudens. He has restarted the nl project. In case you don't find any hint on the lv project's website, you might want to get in touch with normunds.gudens[at]inbox.lv (his was the e-mail address he used on the l10n list). Sorry, I just saw that it's you, Normans. :-) My small brain just can't remember the names of posters once it scans the mail body. :-) Regards, Mathias Hi Mathias Does that mean that the Latvian entry on http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html needs changing? I think that's something that only Normunds can answer. At least it's clear that the former project lead has vanished and even his mail address bounces (I tried to reach him last year in November). Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Open Office - Latvian lang.
Hi, Normunds Gudens wrote: Hello! You have perfect product! But not in my language. Maybe I can help you translate Open Office to Latvian language? Its not first time for me, i do that with e-shop. I can translate from: latvian (my default lng), english, russian (perfect knowleges), spanish (speek little), swedish (speek little). Perfect, if i can translate from russian or english. How you think? Best regards, Normunds Gudens I was on a conference in Latvia last year and I met many people who would be very glad to see a Latvian translation of OOo. So it's great to see people wanting to work on that! The Latvian translation has been stalled for years, but in February 2009 a new Latvian Native Language Project lead was announced on the d...@l10n list, Normunds Gudens. He has restarted the nl project. In case you don't find any hint on the lv project's website, you might want to get in touch with normunds.gudens[at]inbox.lv (his was the e-mail address he used on the l10n list). Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Open Office - Latvian lang.
Mathias Bauer wrote: Hi, Normunds Gudens wrote: Hello! You have perfect product! But not in my language. Maybe I can help you translate Open Office to Latvian language? Its not first time for me, i do that with e-shop. I can translate from: latvian (my default lng), english, russian (perfect knowleges), spanish (speek little), swedish (speek little). Perfect, if i can translate from russian or english. How you think? Best regards, Normunds Gudens I was on a conference in Latvia last year and I met many people who would be very glad to see a Latvian translation of OOo. So it's great to see people wanting to work on that! The Latvian translation has been stalled for years, but in February 2009 a new Latvian Native Language Project lead was announced on the d...@l10n list, Normunds Gudens. He has restarted the nl project. In case you don't find any hint on the lv project's website, you might want to get in touch with normunds.gudens[at]inbox.lv (his was the e-mail address he used on the l10n list). Sorry, I just saw that it's you, Normans. :-) My small brain just can't remember the names of posters once it scans the mail body. :-) Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Tabs for Writer
Hi, Rick wrote: Some time ago there was a TAB extension available for OOo. I even have a TabBrowse.oxt installation file. I hesitate to use it in 3.0, because I seem to remember there were issues with the extension. It does not show up on the Extension page now. Internet searches yield only ancient references. Is there an update for this extension? Is it at all available now? http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/keeping_tabs_on_tabs_development Nothing has changed since then, except that I am currently thinking about it in the context of our Rennaissance projec: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance Regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Performance project - becoming an incubator project
Thorsten Behrens wrote: Kind of reminds me of the virtual UI project The problem with this project was that it was virtual - it never actually worked as a project. That should be avoided with performance. In fact we had a kind of virtual performance project, consisting of all the people that at times worked on that matter. But the outcome of that occasional work was quite low, it was neither planned nor focussed. I'm confident that this will change with giving performance a higher visibility and by assigning a real, existing (not only virtual) team to it. Waiting for *big* performance improvements since years is enough. As always, YMMV. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Performance project - becoming an incubator project
Thorsten Behrens wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 12:49:31PM +0100, Dieter Loeschky wrote: MISSION STATEMENT The goal of the performance project is to analyze the status of OpenOffice.org performance and identify areas where the performance is not sufficient. Members of the project will improve the performance in these areas, and setup a system to monitor performance continuously. and on Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 12:22:29PM +0100, Eike Rathke wrote: Since I'm already working on Calc performance and performance in general was and is a major topic, this project of course gets my While I definitely applaud all efforts spend improving performance of OOo, I see serious overlap in scope with existing projects. Of course, the overlap is there and that's one reason why we failed to make progress on performance: we have overlap but didn't manage to get people to work on the overlapping parts. So it's good to have a dedicated group of people that gives performance a priority. In the same way as we have e.g. a graphics or a framework project though it overlaps with other projects as well. There's no requirement for the OOo projects to be disjunctive. So a +1 from me for the proposal from Dieter and Li Heng. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to nospamfor...@gmx.de. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Make it possible to download only parts of open office
Hi Douglas, Douglas St.Clair wrote: RANT ON H. First I'm generally pleased with OO. Good feature set. Nothing I have cared about was ever broken. However a monolithic architecture seems like a poor choice for an open source project. I don't know anything about the organization of the OO team but I would assume that people join because they are interested in some facet of the project. They contribute to and test the element(s) that are associated with that facet. As features are added testing becomes more complex who is prepared to test the whole thing. Just because you have only one main executable does not mean that the architecture is monolithic. I assume that you know the concept of shared libraries and you should know that OOo uses it a lot. Offering functionality in one process instead of in several processes does not make a monolithic architecture. On the contrary: 5 single executables for Calc, Writer, Draw/Impress, Math and Chart but without any additional shared libraries would be much more monolithic than - as now - one executable and a lot of shared libaries. Another aspect: the part of OOo that is in soffice.bin would be the same in all hypothetic swriter.bin etc. So why not share it at runtime? It saves resources to do so and allows to integrate the applications much better (easier handling of common settings etc.). A little experiment: you can remove *all* application libraries (writer, calc etc.) and OOo will still start. Nothing won't happen of course if you click on the new document links in the start menu. Is that monolithic? I don't think so. You can read a little bit more about modularity here: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/what_can_openoffice_org_learn One reason for the decision to have a common process for all OOo applications was that the Linux platform did not have an equivalent to the Windows OLE2 editing (Inplace editing) and we had the requirement to implement it. With separated processes (yes! we had them at that time) this would require an inter-process communication technology with a suitable language binding. At that time (mid 1990s) we didn't have UNO that basically is able to provide that. But it cost us only a few weeks to change our code from having separated executables to only one small executable and so get rid of the requirement to have inter-process communication. In OOo 2.0 we finally re-implemented the Inplace Editing based on UNO. This gave us the inter-process technology and so basically now we could go back to separated executables. But - believe it or not - I see more disadvantages than advantages to do so, the most prominent ones are resource usage and quality of integration. I only see one advantage: a crash would bring down only documents of one type, not all documents. But how often does that happen? OTOH, the disadvanteges are felt everytime, the most prominent ones are: - more memory consumption - starting more than one app takes more time in total - less integration, less common settings etc. So in short words: the observation that OOo uses only one executable does not allow to conclude that it is monolithic. OTOH indeed the modularity of OOo could be better, but this can be seen only if you study the source code. If you are interested, I recommend my presentation from last year's OOoCon: http://ooocon.kiberpipa.org/media/index-2007.html (search for Mathias Bauer and you will find links to a video and the slides). There are two potential areas of risk. The unfortunate error that brakes something subtle. Something that is not part of the test suite something that doesn't get added to the test suite because of the complexity of the entire package and so it goes un-noticed possibly messing up someone's important spreadsheet. The other error is one done by some SOB who deliberately codes backdoors that share people's databases with him or just maliciously and destructively impacts peoples work. The ability to test a whole bunch of little pieces, decompose the system into only the pieces you want or need, does a lot to minimize both the errors (because the builder had more control over their piece) as well as the ability of users to simply delete pieces they don't want or need thus avoiding either type of error coming from pieces they don't want or need. All of this is true, but it is not related to the fact whether the applications are started in one process or in different processes. It's more a question of how good the code is organized in the shared libraries and how modular they are. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
Re: [discuss] XSimpleMailMessage.setBody() ???
Caolan McNamara wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 00:47 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I have talked and blog about this since 2004. Most of the issues I found is my lack of understanding of how email work, and how to get a real smtp server. McMahara created something with Python (mailmerge.py) and Staroffice re-wrote it to javamail. Well, just to clarify the order of that a little. Sun wrote a javamail StarOffice-only solution first, and afterwards I wrote a quick and dirty 350 line python solution (see program/mailmerge.py) so that OpenOffice.org would have something too. The javamail based solution does not need to be SO-only, but most probably it won't be accepted as part of the OOo source code base by the usual suspects because IIRC JavaMail still is no Free Software. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: XSimpleMailMessage.setBody() ???
NoOp wrote: On 09/18/2008 02:10 PM, NoOp wrote: On 09/18/2008 12:44 PM, Arvind Kumar wrote: Alexandro, It is not theory, it is real. I am already using XSimpleMailMessage using OOCalc Basic and Thunderbird and the yahoo smtp server to email press releases to media. It works just fine -- for sending file attachments. What I am asking for is an enhancement to send plain text emails. In Issues Tracker, see Issue 93995 and pls vote for it if it makes sense to you. http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=93995 P.S. I can post the Basic code for how to send an email from OOBasic if anyone wants it. - Arvind Kumar That is indeed interesting. Perhaps that would help alleviate the why can't I compose emails in OOo? questions that always seem to popup on this list and the users list. Added note: is there a possibility that this could be added as an 'extention' (http://extensions.openoffice.org/)? Also see: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Specification As the SimpleMailMessage is a UNO service it can be replaced by another implementation and this indeed could be provided as an extension. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Asking about OpenOffice for smartphone
Hi Andy, there is no OOo for Smartphones but at least there is an ODF viewer (and editor IIRC) for Symbian devices: http://www.sept-solutions.com. Ciao, Mathias Andy J. wrote: Thanks Guy, although it's sad because there are no OpenOffice for smartphones yet. But I guess I can stop looking, for now. Anyway, what are OOo Aqua Beta 3.0 OOo SRC 680 m241 ? Best regards, ~andy J. S. [sent using my Treo 750v] -Original Message- From: Guy Voets [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:20 PM To: discuss@openoffice.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [discuss] Asking about OpenOffice for smartphone 2008/5/8 Andy J. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To OpenOffice.org Hi, I'm trying to find out whether there's a mobile version or not of OpenOffice for smartphones? Thank you! Best regards, ~andy J. S. Hello Andy, No, there isn't. Smallest is for usb stick... -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] outlook and infopath equivalent
Daniel Neef - 6303 wrote: Is there a outlook and infopath application equivalent that open office has available? If not will there be one in the next release or any time soon? OOo's alternative to InfoPath is XForms. Whether this is suitable for your purpose depends on what you are trying to achieve. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] How can I remove the language attribute from text in Writer?
Royal Ozma of Oz wrote: How can I remove the language attribute from selected text in Writer? CTRL+SHIFT+SPACE doesn't remove language attribute from text nor set the text to the language as defined by the style sheet. Generally I need to temporarily change the language attribute of text to check the red-lining on a foreign word then use CTRL+SHIFT+SPACE to remove the language attribute. Should CTRL+SHIFT+SPACE remove all attribute overrides revert to attributes as defined by the style sheets including the language attribute? I had to... Copy the offending text to a text editor. Delete the language attribute tainted text from Writer. Highlight copy the offending text from text editor. Paste it back into the Writer to get an attribute taint free version. The language attribute is kept separate from all other attributes. In OOo 2.4 you can change it easily using the language status bar control. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] For the users/students of Japanese...
Hi, while this was sent roughly a month ago but obviously nobody answered. So let me try. Tachiko Aiba wrote: Not sure how many people are aware of it, but there is an ever growing desire for good Japanese word processors for free. Sure, they could just download and set up Open Office in Japanese, but... there are two points I'd like to just throw out there to the Open Office community. 1) Students of the Japanese language (or other languages, I'm sure) would love to be able to keep their English interface, while being able to switch between Japanese English inputs, thus, being able to have Japanese and English in the same document, while keeping the English menus. Not only might this be helpful to the English/Japanese community, but I think it would be great for other languages that use other alphabets. As an idea, couldn't someone write something into the program where you can switch between English (or other languages) and foreign alphabets, without having to install Open Office in those languages? You don't need to install OOo in a different UI language just to be able to use other dictionaries. You can keep the UI language of your choice and install more dictionaries using File-Wizards-Dictionaries. In future versions of OOo (3.0!) we will provide more dictionaries as OOo extensions. 2) Specific to the Japanese/English community, there is a well known set of dictionaries (the Edict and Kanjidic dictionaries) made by individuals which are constantly being updated. For some (students for instance), they would use the crappiest software on earth... if they could get a great dictionary with it. These dictionaries can be downloaded free and used by many programs, some open source. Among the dictionaries you can get from that project, are dictionaries that go well beyond normal ones (which are great if you can use multiple dictionaries in a program), such as the Name dictionary, or specific terms dictionaries like the legal terms dictionary. If you knew someone who would like to work with us on that you could point him to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list where the folks working on OOo linguistic are lurking. Supporting a new dictionary format basically is doable, it could be provided even as an extension for OOo that can be installed seperately. Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Sanity Check DOC opens in Calc
Twayne wrote: Hi Twayne, Twayne wrote: Hi, Just wondering if this is standard operating procedure and if so how to tell when it's going to happen: I have an MS Word 2002 created, 68 Meg file, actually a User Manual, comprised of images, text and tables with text (not images), toc and index. I can not get OOo to open it in Text mode. Ooo insists on opening it in Calc instead, which of course makes the file conversion useless. I can copy/paste from one document to the other, but all I get for the images are placeholders with a path to the image in them. I can't make it show the images. Am I missing something simple here? I can't believe that in a properly installed version of OpenOffice.org that contains the OOo Writer module a file that indeed is a proper Word file is not detected as such by OOo. So either your installation is somewhat damaged, the file has an extension that is registered to OOo Calc in you system or the file is not a Word file. Or some Gremlins have taken over you computer. :-) Ciao, Mathias I have a tendency to agree with you but can't find anything yet. I'm assuming it has to be some sort of .doc file corruption at the moment and going to attack it that way. The simplest idea would be that you send the doc file to me so that I can have a look on it. You are making me curious. :-) Or did you send such file already to a QA engineer? Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Sanity Check DOC opens in Calc
Hi Twayne, Twayne wrote: Hi, Just wondering if this is standard operating procedure and if so how to tell when it's going to happen: I have an MS Word 2002 created, 68 Meg file, actually a User Manual, comprised of images, text and tables with text (not images), toc and index. I can not get OOo to open it in Text mode. Ooo insists on opening it in Calc instead, which of course makes the file conversion useless. I can copy/paste from one document to the other, but all I get for the images are placeholders with a path to the image in them. I can't make it show the images. Am I missing something simple here? I can't believe that in a properly installed version of OpenOffice.org that contains the OOo Writer module a file that indeed is a proper Word file is not detected as such by OOo. So either your installation is somewhat damaged, the file has an extension that is registered to OOo Calc in you system or the file is not a Word file. Or some Gremlins have taken over you computer. :-) Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Can't open *.docx
John Thompson wrote: On 2008-01-25, Henning Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: Using .docx before the specification is finished *will* eventually lead to data loss. Please consider using instead OpenDocument (ISO/IEC 26300) which is what industry is backing. Nevertheless, filters for .docx are in the works already: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/tags/writerfilter But don't get your hopes too high, yet: Not Found The requested URL /pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/writerfilter2/ was not found on this server. Apache/2.0.52 (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/5.0.4 Server at ooo.services.openoffice.org Port 80 Well, the blog was from April last year. Development has moved forward and new milestones have been created. OOo 3.0 Beta will contain also a beta version of the OOXML filters. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO automation?
bryan rasmussen wrote: Hi Mathias, The main thing that will need to be done is to convert between various formats using OO as the conversion engine, the problem is that with the requirements it can be that we will need to be running conversions concurrently. Conversion is one of the services offered up by a server in a client server architecture (it is not a webserver in the current version). Conversions don't need any user interaction, with one exception (html import in Writer) you don't even need a view for it. Conversions are started by a queue manager and monitored for progress by a separate monitoring process. OOo is not able to process files concurrently. For stability and also for best performance you should let you queue manager manage the requests and make sure that only one conversion happens at a time. So I am worried also about stuff like being able to increase memory available to OO as need be... I don't see any need to do that, at least not in case your queue manager serializes the calls. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO automation?
Hi Bryan, bryan rasmussen wrote: Hi, I have an application where I need to automate MS Office to do rendering of MS Office documents, for some of the reasons outlined in this knowledgebase document from MS (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257757) I think OO would be preferable for this, my specific worries involve: 1. Office Applications assume that they are being run under an interactive desktop, and may in some circumstances need to be made visible for certain Automation functions to work properly. If an unexpected error occurs, or an unspecified parameter is needed to complete a function, Office is designed to prompt the user with a modal dialog box that asks the user what they want to do. A modal dialog box on a non-interactive desktop cannot be dismissed, which causes that thread to stop responding (hang) indefinitely. Although certain coding practices can help reduce the likelihood of this occurring, they cannot prevent it entirely. 2.(Office Applications ) offer little scalability as a server-side solution, and have fixed limits to important elements, such as memory, which cannot be changed through configuration. More importantly, they use global resources (such as memory mapped files, global add-ins or templates, and shared Automation servers), which can limit the number of instances that can run concurrently and lead to race conditions if they are configured in a multi-client environment. Since I need to automate without user interactivity and with the need to run a lot of these instances concurrently I have the imperfectly formed opinion that I would like to have confirmed, with hopefully some documentation that shows the correctness of the opinion, that opinion is that OO would be preferable to this task. Anyone know if that is correct or incorrect? Without knowing which APIs you will use nobody can give you any promises about that, only a general statement that basically OOo API calls don't need a visible document window or user interaction. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Tab in OpenOffice.org Writer
William W. Austin wrote: On 2007-12-17 08:38:26, jonathon wrote: On Dec 14, 2007 2:32 AM, java sunshine wrote: I think an application like OpenOffice.org Writer should has tab function too. Currently available as an add on. (SNIP) I had some interest in seeing what that would look like, so I started looking at the openoffice.org site (extensions) and have also tried several other web searches, but I didn't seem to find it. Do you have a URL by any chance? Thanks :-) The Add-On Jonathan most probably is talking about is only a tech preview (or demo it you like that better). In the Add-On tabbing worked well but many UI problems created by this new feature haven't been solved. If you want to know more about it, please go to http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS and search for Keeping tabs on tabs development. You should find my blog about this containing some links to further documentation and also to the Add-On itself. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] no offer to save files during recovery
Rich wrote: On 2007.12.11. 09:43, Mathias Bauer wrote: Rich wrote: i remember that, at some point, oo.org offered to save files that were prepared for recovery if i clicked 'cancel'. using m235, i don't get such a window now. has this been removed on purpose ? if so, that has eliminated the chance for the user to save recovered documents elsewhere and access oo.org in case one of those documents was responsible for the original crash. anybody knows more about this ? It's possible that m235 still has the bug that for Writer documents no recovery information was stored and so the recovery just restore the unmodified file. In this case of course cancelling the recovery process will not ask for storing the recovery files. Does the same happen for Calc documents? thanks for the response, this indeed seems to be the case - it works correctly with calc. This bug will not happen anymore in OOo2.4 (and also not in 2.3.1). I don't remember if it is already fixed in m239, but it's possible. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Updating/Patching
Michael Adams wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:28:42 + mike scott wrote: On 11 Dec 2007 at 8:51, Mathias Bauer wrote: ... That would look different if we stepped back to less frequent feature releases so that bugfix releases happened much more often. But I don't see that at the horizon. I think it makes more sense to stick with full updates but make their installation smoother. That's fine for those of us on high-speed links. And I like to have the full release archived just in case a roll-back is needed in future (as nearly happened going from 2.2 - 2.3). But what about those on dial-up lines, or who for some other reason have difficulty in downloading? Is it fair to tell them to keep buying CDs from someone to get the new release? /If/ (and I don't know the figures) they represent a significant proportion of the likely user community (present /and future/) will this update policy impact unduly on the market penetration of OOo? If i was in that situation, i would just weigh up the relative merits of the upgrade: * Is it a feature release? This is easy. Each minor is a feature release, each micro isn't. Besides that the release notes also explicitly mentions that. * Is it a bugfix that i was waiting for? The fixed bugs in a release are listed somewhere and also are the new features. I'm not sure if the download site has a direct link to that lists. But I agree that it should have one. * Is it a security upgrade? If security fixes have been applied in a release is always explicitly mentioned in the release notes. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] no offer to save files during recovery
Rich wrote: i remember that, at some point, oo.org offered to save files that were prepared for recovery if i clicked 'cancel'. using m235, i don't get such a window now. has this been removed on purpose ? if so, that has eliminated the chance for the user to save recovered documents elsewhere and access oo.org in case one of those documents was responsible for the original crash. anybody knows more about this ? It's possible that m235 still has the bug that for Writer documents no recovery information was stored and so the recovery just restore the unmodified file. In this case of course cancelling the recovery process will not ask for storing the recovery files. Does the same happen for Calc documents? Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Updating/Patching
Gabriel A. wrote: Are the developers of OO working on implementing a system of updates like what Firefox has now (i.e.: patching)? I can't be bothered to download a full version of OO when it's just another 2.x release. A 100+ MB download isn't warranted for an update of that nature. I realize that MS Office's service packs (i.e.: 2003 SP3) are of that size but at least the update process is unattended and doesn't require me to perform an uninstallation. Overall, it's less of a hassle. I'm satisfied with OO on one of my Vista machines which is why I hope you'll make use of the suggestion. Giving OO more of a native feel across their respective platforms would be better as well, but that's less critical at this point. Thank you. Even Firefox does not offer updates for new feature releases, you only get patches for the bugfix releases. OOo only has one bugfix release before the next feature release is sent out. I doubt that it would be worth the effort to implement such a patch process just for one single update per release cycle. That would look different if we stepped back to less frequent feature releases so that bugfix releases happened much more often. But I don't see that at the horizon. I think it makes more sense to stick with full updates but make their installation smoother. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] -[Suggestion] OpenOffice plugin for Preinstalled Environment (PE)
Xtreme Sony wrote: You now may be wander what is the useful of getting such OpenOffice software in PE?! As PE can be put on CD/DVD or USB Flash so that you will have a complete run OS that is portable and can be used any where so that the OpenOffice will gain this advantage and will be a Portable Office which mean that my office in my hand and i can use it to wirte whatever i need when i want at any PC which other companies give it to there users. A complete OS from CD including applications like OpenOffice.org already exists: it's called Linux Live CD and you can get it from all major distributions. Meanwhile there's even a Solaris Live CD! And last but not least -If you accept my idea i will going to make the plugin for Real Player and send it to you to package it in the installation. All of that for FREE. Also i will keep supporting this plugin. That is all. Hope to be useful to you. I will be waiting for your reply (in both cases). I must confess that I don't have the slightest idea what you are asking for. If you want to bundle OOo in a PE - go and do it. If you think that OOo needs some fixes or additions to make that work, please describe them exactly, preferable in our bug tracking system. Then we can see if this is something we can and want to do. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] good suggestions for OO.o
Guy Voets wrote: 2007/11/20, The Directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]: please make an FTP upload function for OO.o, so office documents can be uploaded to the internet or office intranet. There was another thread , probably at the users list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) about ftp. There are different programs (also depending on your operating system), different types of program, Opera can do it, there's a plugin for Firefox... but there are also security issues since programs send your log-in and password to the site unprotected. Some webpage developing programs include the upload function (DreamWeaver?), but that isn't really a part of the functions OpenOffice.org is giving priority to. OOo can load and store files via ftp already. If you have the necessary access rights, of course. The OOo internal file dialog can be used as a very simple ftp client for office documents as it can directly access ftp folders. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] RFE--printing envelopes
William Case wrote: But there obviously is some frustration; something non-intuitive to some new users. If it was easy to define what is the non-intuitive part of OOo's envelope functionality and how to solve that I would be glad to do it. But my experience with envelopes is that basically using this function is not hard to understand, but the problems start when you have to print it. If you are lucky and your printer does what OOo thinks it should do envelopes are an easy task. I could suggest some changes that would clarify but they would just be one more unsupported opinion. I would suggest, for those who have taken on the responsibility for the Envelope printing wizard/dialogue that they survey the existing complaints and perhaps survey those people who have had problems and find out exactly where the problems lay -- technical or comprehension. What frustrates me is that each time I helped someone with envelopes and asked him how we could change the function to make it easier, nobody was able to give me a hint. So I don't have high hopes that this will be different in case of those people who complained in issues, mails and forum postings over the years. Nevertheless I started to collect the relevant issues some time ago but was disrupted by some more urgent tasks. As I also don't participate in Web forums I would be very pleased if someone else could create a list of complaints and problems (what was found irritating, how often, how many votes and duplicates, which improvement suggestions etc.) so that we could try to consolidate that into a single issue. I tend to believe that the problem isn't the UI but the printing. I might add that I would think OOo's objective should not be to copy Microsoft Word but to be better than any other Office Suite that now exists. That is, if there is a problem, lets fix it; not compare it. This would be my approach also though experience tells us that in case you don't have a superior idea it's better not to be too different from Word. Repelling former Word users without attracting others by superior (not only different) design is a bad strategy. Or in a single sentence: try to be better if you can, but don't try to be different just because. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO.o and automatic typography rules
Hi Milan, Milan wrote: Hi all, and thanks for your work. I'm using OO.O since 1.1 (Linux), and I've seen many amazing enhancements. That's why I wonder about a simple feature that is essential in many languages other than English, but that has not been considerated for a long long time. In French notably, we need a thin non-break space before ponctuation marks ; : « » ? ! The « » case is correctly handled by AutoCorrection, but the others aren't. This requires the user to use Ctrl+Space for that, which is not expectable from standard people. Thus, they only use normal space and get thing like that : it's horrible ! And that's not correct. There is a bug for that here: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=17169 I think this is THE issue in OO.o compared to MS Office, and that is stupid because it's trivial compared to all the work that has been done. OO.o really needs a module that adapts to the language, like the spellchecker, and inserts the needed characters to fit the typo rules. This includes quotation marks, apostrophes (which are handled but not automatically following the language you type in), and other signs. That would be great for OO.o 3 - all other features can wait! ;-) While I don't agree with your last sentence ;-) I understand that the issue you are pointing us to is important for some groups of users. I think that this could be implemented by a language specific autocorrection feature or by the new proof reading API we are currently working on. This API initially was thought to be a framework for Grammar Checking but from many discussions in the last time I got the impression that we perhaps should aim to a more flexible framework for arbitrary rule based checking of text. The issue you are pointing to could add to this impression - in case autocorrection isn't enough to fix it. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Using www.openoffice.org -- The Flustered Factor ?!
William Case wrote: Hi NoOp; On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 19:28 -0800, NoOp wrote: On 11/05/2007 08:26 PM, William Case wrote: http://website.openoffice.org/ http://website.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems pretty dead (http://website.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=issues), so the primary is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://website.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=dev Being flustered has turned to being frustrated. This is the third set of sites I have been told to join before anyone will open a discussion on how OOo might be better sold. You seem to misunderstand somthing. This is a discuss list where nearly nobody involved in designing the websites is subscribed to. If you are fine with just complaining without a result you are fine with staying here. If you are interested in reaching the people working on the website you should join the mailing list *they* are reading and writing to. If I have some suggestions for the website (and I had in the past) I'm doing the same. My own experience with the website dev people is that they are very open and friendly and that they listen. Of course you have to convince them if you want them to change something and the change must be possible within the current Collab.Net framework (what Mario already pointed out). Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Using www.openoffice.org -- The Flustered Factor ?!
Hi Michael, yes, you can *discuss* here. In fact that's what we are doing now. So expectations are met. :-) But don't expect to get anything *done* here. If you want to talk to developers, go to a dev list of the project you want to address. There are only a few crazy developers (like me ;-)) lurking on the discuss list. Ciao, Mathias Michael McCoy wrote: Now I'm confused! I though this was the discuss Open Office mailing list? On Nov 6, 2007 1:08 PM, Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi William, I think your observations might get more interest on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Ciao, Mathias William Case wrote: Hi; I have been on the OOo users list for some two years and using OOo for as long. I went to the www.openoffice.org site just to see why there is so much confusion for newbies (OOo beginners). Even I was flustered. Being flustered the first time one downloads, installs or uses a new application and/or operating system is something that can happen to us all -- no matter how intelligent or savvy one is. It is an emotional state brought on by FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt). Microsoft and others may spread and enhance FUD in order to keep clients, but they do not create it. It is a normal human emotional reaction to gambling on something that *may* have a steep learning curve; *may* be (to them) completely non-intuitive; *may* cost them all their time and money invested in learning something like Word; *may* have formats not shareable with others; and *may* put years worth of documents and other work at risk. Often there are also time pressures involved. At www.openoffice.org I found: 1) the so-called download button didn't look like a button; 2) the support tab (page) was confusing, giving far too many unnecessary choices; 3) no tips; 4) no explanation of the difference between downloading and installing; 5) no reassurances as a newcomer proceeds; 6) even finding this Discussion mailing list was filled with FUD. etc. Never did find the questions email site that inserts YOU MUST GIVE A SUMMARY HERE. I have no idea where people with problems are finding that site. I recently gave a short talk about Linux to a group of 20 non-tech MS users. The Q A afterwards, from all 20, turned primarily into questions about what would happen to their Word documents if they migrated to Linux and OOo. *I* know the answers. I gave them the right answers. It still didn't reduce their FUD very much. From their prospective, too much was at risk. I can see, given the flustered factor, why so many people are having so much trouble with the basics. I don't have the answers. But somehow the www.openoffice.org site has to be re-thought and the first impression of OOo has to be greatly improved if OOo wants to challenge MS Office. -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Using www.openoffice.org -- The Flustered Factor ?!
Hi William, I think your observations might get more interest on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Ciao, Mathias William Case wrote: Hi; I have been on the OOo users list for some two years and using OOo for as long. I went to the www.openoffice.org site just to see why there is so much confusion for newbies (OOo beginners). Even I was flustered. Being flustered the first time one downloads, installs or uses a new application and/or operating system is something that can happen to us all -- no matter how intelligent or savvy one is. It is an emotional state brought on by FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt). Microsoft and others may spread and enhance FUD in order to keep clients, but they do not create it. It is a normal human emotional reaction to gambling on something that *may* have a steep learning curve; *may* be (to them) completely non-intuitive; *may* cost them all their time and money invested in learning something like Word; *may* have formats not shareable with others; and *may* put years worth of documents and other work at risk. Often there are also time pressures involved. At www.openoffice.org I found: 1) the so-called download button didn't look like a button; 2) the support tab (page) was confusing, giving far too many unnecessary choices; 3) no tips; 4) no explanation of the difference between downloading and installing; 5) no reassurances as a newcomer proceeds; 6) even finding this Discussion mailing list was filled with FUD. etc. Never did find the questions email site that inserts YOU MUST GIVE A SUMMARY HERE. I have no idea where people with problems are finding that site. I recently gave a short talk about Linux to a group of 20 non-tech MS users. The Q A afterwards, from all 20, turned primarily into questions about what would happen to their Word documents if they migrated to Linux and OOo. *I* know the answers. I gave them the right answers. It still didn't reduce their FUD very much. From their prospective, too much was at risk. I can see, given the flustered factor, why so many people are having so much trouble with the basics. I don't have the answers. But somehow the www.openoffice.org site has to be re-thought and the first impression of OOo has to be greatly improved if OOo wants to challenge MS Office. -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] integration of linguistic software with Open Office
Miguel Montenegro wrote: Hi, I'm very interested in the Open Office project and, like many others, I would like to change to a completely non-proprietary set of software. However, I write in three different languages and must have linguistic software compatible with the text processor I use, from dictionnary to sintactic correction. Unfortunately, open source text processors allow one little more than to correct the spelling, and not always. Lingustic software designed to be integrated with Microsoft Word or Apple cannot be used with open source text processors. If it weren't for this obstacle, I would have switched to Open Office a long time ago. I believe many people are in the same situation as me and that is why I decided to write you this email. Allow us the integration of linguistic software and we will switch to Open Office in no time. Guaranteed! OOo already allows to integrate linguistic software, e.g. spell checker and Thesaurus. And we are currently working on an integration interface for proof reading software in general. This may be grammar checkers or any other software that checks text and marks it if it does not comply to a defined rule set. Of course that does not bring this software into OOo automatically, the software developers working on such programs still must create an integration wrapper that lets their software work with our interface. But we are designing this interface as easy as possible and document it so that it shouldn't take very long to provide such an integration. But at the end if that happens or not is out of our control. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] integration of linguistic software with Open Office
Hi Robert, if the translation software wanted to replicate the text structure for the translated text it must use the API we currently have and so can start right away. In fact I have already seen two different extensions for translating text in OOo. If the translation software wanted to translate just the text without preserving the test structure it could use our new APIs for simplified text access we will add together with the proof reading API. Ciao, Mathias Robert Funnell wrote: While you're at it, are you also thinking about the needs of translation software? On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Mathias Bauer wrote: OOo already allows to integrate linguistic software, e.g. spell checker and Thesaurus. And we are currently working on an integration interface for proof reading software in general. This may be grammar checkers or any other software that checks text and marks it if it does not comply to a defined rule set. ... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: openoffice-writer new funtion sheets
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 10/17/07 10:37 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote: Hi Richard, the problem of *this* user is that he *is* subscribed (though obiously not with the address he is using now) but can't find out how to unsubscribe. So in fact he would be a good example for the opposite that you propose. :-) Ciao, Mathias If this list only accepted post from subscribed users posted from the address they subscribed with, we would not see the multiple pointless posts from this user. But he would never have find out how to unsubscribe as he now hopefully has. Anyway, whether you do it either way is not something that can be backed by examples (as you always can find examples for both ways), it's more or less a matter of taste and the decision if opennness for noobs is more important than taking care of the other readers patience. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] A try to help you getting off the list (was: Re: [discuss] Lotus Smartsuite incorporation)
Hi Joseph, I don't know why you are using such a rude tone. It would be nice if you sticked to some basic rules of human interaction. I don't think that my mail deserved the word crap. Back to your obvious problem. As all mails you send to the list are marked as moderated it seems that the mail address you are currently using is not the same as the one you subscribed with. For this reason the unsubscribe mails don't work as the mailing list then tries to unsubscribe an address it doesn't know. So if you want to get unsubscribed please send an unsubscribe mail using the address you have used to subscribe. This should be the address that the mailing list uses to send its mails to you. As I have cc'ed you with my mail you should get it twice: one goes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (as this is the address you have used for your reply), the other one should go to your subscribed address. This is the one you should use to unsubscribe. Ciao, Mathias joseph jordan wrote: What is this crap??? - Original Message - From: Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [discuss] Lotus Smartsuite incorporation Hi Peter, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: I checked now a little more specific. I have tens and tens of old .sdw documents here I cannot open anymore ... In case you didn't find out by yourself or off-list meanwhile: This is the so called SO binary format. The filter for these old formats (sdw,sdc,sdg etc.) is not installed per default on most OOo versions but should be available as optional package, at least that's true for Sun's OOo builds. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice-writer new funtion sheets
Hi Richard, the problem of *this* user is that he *is* subscribed (though obiously not with the address he is using now) but can't find out how to unsubscribe. So in fact he would be a good example for the opposite that you propose. :-) Ciao, Mathias Richard/g wrote: On Monday 15 October 2007, joseph jordan wrote: What is this crap.. And now we have a perfect example of why only registered subscribers should be allowed to post. Raising the bar for new users will only help to improve the quality of subscribers. Regards. - Original Message - From: Julio Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss@openoffice.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: [discuss] openoffice-writer new funtion sheets Hello, I usually work with many texts at the same time. For example, If I am doing a poetry book, i want to see all the poetries in the same document(the book) but in different places(the chapters or texts...). Is the same as in a spreadsheets with its sheets(at the bottom of the screen ones can select the sheet, I think it called tab(in spanish : pestaña). It is possible to add to openoffice-writer this possibility, and in a document, one can select diferent sheets, and in each sheet there will be a text. I think this is very funtional characteristic for a people that works simultaniusly in a project with more than one document. Very thanks, Julio.(sorry for my english). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OOo Word processor compare
Laurent Godard wrote: Hi Michael I'm working as an architect for Airbus Information System service and I'm about to launch, in the incoming weeks, a study aiming at creating a service providing compare between tons of MS-Word documents. Presently, two solutions are envisaged: OOo through UNO API and MS-Word through .NET. My concern is about qa issue 16398 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=16398) which is currently not targeted to any OOo release. After a short evaluation, OOo would meet all my business requirements except regarding this issue (while MS-Word 2003 is OK with table compare...). Considering this, I'll have to withdraw OOo from my options at the beginning of the study if this issue has no target release and date. The issue will be taken into account as answered on Writer dev. mailing list. It may be filled soon Now fixed and targetted to OOo2.4. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Character input into Writer
R.S. Tse wrote: OpenOffice 2.2 came with SuSE 10.2. In that version, the Writer accepted character input from SCIM in Linux. I was able to input both traditional and simplified Han characters into the Writer when SCIM was active. OpenOffice 2.3 came with SuSE 10.3. The Writer no longer accepts character input from SCIM. But this version of the Writer has one new capability, i.e. translating between simplified and traditional encodings/fonts. Version 2.3 accepts various encodings/fonts from another document, but it itself does not accept any character input from SCIM. The editing function is lost. Is this a bug? As you are talking about the SuSE versions you should redirect that question to Novell or install a build from the OOo web site and come back to this list in case you find the same behavior in that version. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Lotus Smartsuite incorporation
Joe Smith wrote: Adrian Try wrote: Hi Salty With IBM sort of entering the fold, it would be good to be able to import Smartsuite files. My Linux version of OpenOffice.org definitely lists Lotus WordPro as a file format it can open. I can't check the Windows version of OpenOffice.org at the moment. That option isn't there? ... The LWP filter is not in the official OO.org download, nor in my official Fedora package. Apparently Ubuntu has added some un-official patches. I assume that this is the patch from Novell that contains a very hacky filter. The quality of this patch/filter was so low that we didn't want to integrate it, it failed to import even just the text from very simple lwp documents (don't ask for attributes!). Ubuntu unfortunately takes some from the ooo-build patches that for very good reasons are not integrated into the main code line. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Lotus Smartsuite incorporation
Saltydog wrote: Update Downloaded and installed StarOffice. No filter for Lotus Wordpro. Maybe I need to find a converter program for Wordpro files to RTF. StarOffice has an old AmiPro import filter (but it's not installed by default). Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: paste unspecial
Alan Lord wrote: Datatude wrote: Jonas Svensson wrote: One thing I find very annoying in both MS Office/Word and OpenOffice.org is that paste always keeps formatting when pasting from another program. Is there a way to reverse the paste setting so that regular paste removes formatting and only special paste keeps formatting? That is a great idea. I also would like to be able toggle this parameter. Somewhere in the settings this should be user configurable. Can you add it to the feature request list? If it isn't already on there that is. http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=17563 Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Lotus Smartsuite incorporation
Hi Peter, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: I checked now a little more specific. I have tens and tens of old .sdw documents here I cannot open anymore ... In case you didn't find out by yourself or off-list meanwhile: This is the so called SO binary format. The filter for these old formats (sdw,sdc,sdg etc.) is not installed per default on most OOo versions but should be available as optional package, at least that's true for Sun's OOo builds. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice 2.3.0
Adrian Try wrote: You can download StarOffice for free from Google. At www.google.com click on More then Pack (at the bottom of the screen). You will see the option to download StarOffice. Be aware that you need to buy a activation key from sun in order to fully use star office Thanks Chris, I hadn't realised that. Are you sure that applies when you download from Google? I haven't tried it myself, but I know people who have, and never mentioned it to me. No, the Google version doesn't need an activation key. BTW: also the version downloadable from Sun doesn't need one. It's a *licence* key, not an *activation* key. You will notice the difference once you use a program with activation and want to install it on a different machine when the software vendor went out of business. Then your activated program will quit working but the one with the valid registration key will still work once you entered the key. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] a wiki idea
Hi Gareth, Gareth Thomas wrote: We love Open Office here but we use the Trac Wiki for more of our internal technical documents. It would be an extremely useful feature if we could 'publish' a document to a Wiki format, possibly directly in so that it creates the page, but as an initial step giving us something that could be pasted in would be fantastic. Alexandro pointed you at some possibly helpful sources. Please let me add that in case you get your own translation/filter running we would like to add this to the OOo project as a new filter in the same way we did with the amazing MediaWiki translation from haui. You also could provide it as an extension. In case you needed help to create an extension please ask on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailin list. Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office software shootout: OpenOffice.org Writer vs. Microsoft Word, round three
KAMI wrote: Are you planning to implement and include the grammar checker itself? Or it will be a downloadable extra? An out-of-box thing is would be nice. We (the Writer developers) will not implement a Grammar Checker ourselves (that's not our area of expertise). But we hope to work together with the Language tool people. Currently this is an OOo extension that can check Writer documents against a set of defined rules (not only Grammar). Our new Grammar Checker API will allow to integrate with OOo much better. Perhaps we can also integrate a nice user interface to create new rules. I'm also currently trying to get in touch with other free software developers providing applications for text checking (especially Grammar Checking). Let's see what will come out of this. Bibliography will be addressed when ODF1.2 is ready. Do it mean target 2.4? No, it will be 3.0 or 3.1 (depending on how much work it is). Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Who has file locked!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been using OOo for 4-5 years now have been greatly satisfied with the completeness of the Suite. There is one BUG that may force me to revert to the MS alternative. I've searched the EMAIL Discussion archives found the same issue reported back in Sept/Oct 2005. BUG: When a document is opened by a MS Word user the 'File locked by' is set to the current user id. When a second user tries to open the same document, a dialog lets you know who has the document locked. This is not true if the first user has opened the document with OOo. In this case, the previous MS Word user id is reported. Is there a fix or workaround (going to everyone that may have document open is not a workaround!)? This is not a bug in OOo but an undocumented feature in Word. They use a proprietary mechanism for the user id transfer that is not shared with OOo. There is no official API on Windows that supports it so they put some information into (or beneath) the file. So the bug is in Word: they didn't take care for the case that any other application than Word would open the file. A typical Microsoft hubris. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office software shootout: OpenOffice.org Writer vs. Microsoft Word, round three
Robert Derman wrote: Right now Autocorrect can do much of grammar checking, it will capitolize the first word of sentences and much more, probably half or more of all the things needed for a good grammar checker are possible just using the current capablilities of Autocorrect. Interesting standpoint. :-) But let's face it: the demand for real grammar checking is high, the extent depends on the language. I know the most about German and English and from what I know I can say: the demand is very high. We will use the opportunity that the implementation of the new APIs gives us to implement a more general approach for scanning documents for certain aspects. Currently this will be spell checking, grammar checking and smart tagging but the list is open for future tasks. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office software shootout: OpenOffice.org Writer vs. Microsoft Word, round three
Alexandro Colorado wrote: I respect bruce's editorial concept however I think the writting is a bit biass toward word. One of the things is that the description of the problems weren't that indepth as in why it fails. No, I think he is quite fair though I would weight some points differently. For me the highlight of Word 2007 clearly is the way it works with templates/themes. It has a lot of them and it uses them quite elegantly and without bothering users with technical details. But that's only me. :-) Let's look on the main points where Bruce thinks that Writer falls short: - cross references - grammar checking - templates - outlining - bibliography All are points where we are working on or have planned to do so! Cross reference improvements should be ready in 3.0, the infrastructure for Grammar Checking hopefully also (we will see). Then it's up to the Grammar Checker vendors to integrate their software into OOo. The API won't be very complicated. Improvements in the area of templates or template handling are under discussion, see e.g. some of my blogs in blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS. Bibliography will be addressed when ODF1.2 is ready. Outlining still is waiting for some layout separations and surely will not be ready in 3.0. But it is planned for the time after that. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] get the page where is located a graphic object instance
FxParise wrote: Hello, I'd like to know if it's possible to have for next version a method which would allow us to know the page where a graphic object instance (like TextTables or TextFrames) is located by directly calling that graphic object instance instead of having to query ViewCursor. That is impossible. The document model itself does not know anything about pages. Pages are created in the layout process and the layout is assigned to a view. Thus you will need a View element (e.g. a ViewCursor) to get that information. So you have to select your TextContent and ask the ViewCursor. I don't think that this is a problem, annoying is that you have to make the cursor invisible to avoid flickering and you have to restore the selection later. Perhaps what we could think about is that we offer some API support to create a private ViewCursor from a core object and a View? Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] easy request for future writer development
Michael Miesner wrote: Hi- I love using open office and use it on both Linux and my Microsoft box, but would really appreciate it if in an upcoming version, the issue of comment compatibility is addressed. The only feature that Word has over Writer is that I can can collaborate seamlessly on Word with co-authors of mine. I would very much appreciate the ability to add a comment in a document (like I do in Word) and it be able to be viewed both in Writer and in Word. I hope this doesn't come off as me asking you to make Writer become Word, because I don't intend for that to be the case. Thanks. And Thanks for OpenOffice. http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/some_notes_about_notes And please follow the link to our wiki. :-) Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Notes / comments
Hi Gerben, http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/some_notes_about_notes :-) Ciao, Mathias Gerben Bossenbroek wrote: Hi there, thank you very much for making openoffice.org what it is - a fantastic, free and free alternative to Microsoft. I use openoffice whenever I can. In spite of the general outstanding quality of openoffice.org, there is one area in which openoffice.org compares rather bleakly with MS Office. This is about the notes (or comments, as MS calls them). Whereas MS Office shows inserted comments conveniently in the margin of the document, openoffice.orgshows a tiny little rectangle that is easy to miss and that you need to hover the mouse over in order to actually see its contents. There is also no way to use formatting (annoying for if you would like to sum up thoughts in bullets) and there does not appear to be a way to highlight a large piece of text that a note refers to it. Just my thoughts. I hope you'll consider making openoffice.org better by taking a look at this. :-) Thanks for listening, and feel free to forward this to whoever this needs to go to... sincerely, Gerben Bossenbroek -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Converting Microsoft Word Files into LaTex...
Hi Noyan,
Noyan Kinayman wrote:
1\ The chapters of the book are quite involved in terms of mathematical
equations, figures, bookmarks and cross-references. During the import
process, Writer changed the aspect ratio of some of the equation objects and
hanged-up when I tried to edit few of those objects. I was wondering, if I
send you a chapter of our book, would you be willing to test it for the
purpose of making the software better and providing us some feedback?
I came across your mail by chance and found it unanswered. Yes, we are
interested in making our software better. :-)
My recommendation to you is to create an error report for your problem
in our Issue Tracker (http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectIssues)
and attach sample documents to it. This enables the developers to have a
look. In case you don't to want keep your documents confidential you can
send them to me directly via e-mail.
2\ During exporting to LaTex, all the bookmarks seemed to be converted using
\label{...} properly. Cross-references, however, were hard-coded. That is, I
would expect that the use of \ref{...} in the LaTex to address the
cross-references properly. After all, cross-referencing is very important in
projects spanning many sections and chapters with lot's of equations,
figures, etc. Do you have any plans to incorporating cross-references in the
LaTex translation using \ref{...} commands?
The LaTex export was contributed by Bernhard Haumacher. As he did this
as a volunteer, I can't make any predictions about his willingness to
support this feature. Perhaps you can send a mail to him directly
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Best regards,
Mathias
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Re: [discuss] Re: document
Guy Voets wrote: 2007/7/17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please read the document. We don't like to open attachments from unknown origin (normally they even don't make it to the list but are filtered out). What's does the attachment say? Don't care, this is a virus mail (fortunately stripped somewhere) and I doubt that the sender name is correct. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Problem loading OO in applet
Joseph Bashir wrote: Hi I am trying to load openoffice in applet and view it in web browser (IE, Mozilla Firefox etc.). When I run the applet in appletviewer (as appletviewer MyApplet.html) with the below code in the MyApplet.html file, it runs fine. APPLET code=MyApplet.class archive=officebean.jar,ridl.jar,unoil.jar,juh.jar width=700 height=500 /APPLET But when I try to view it in browser (IE or Mozilla) it give this error. Does anybody know what and where is the mistake and how to get out of it? You can't access arbitrary jar files from the file system in the browser context. You need your own classloader for loading OOo into a browser applet. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Need help?
Hi, bx, sorry for the late answer. How good is you C++ knowledge? And is there a part of OOo (http://projects.openoffice.org) that attracts your interest more than others? Ciao, Mathias bx wrote: Hi. I have some free time this summer and I want to start to get involved with the Open Office community. I am comfortable with writing code and debugging, and can quickly pick up languages. If anybody is willing to act as a mentor for me, that would be nice- otherwise I am willing to help with any of the projects. I am just looking for a little direction. Thanks, bx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Avoid to miss the last print date.
Russell Butler wrote: Sandro Facondini wrote: I am using version 2.2.0 of OpenOffice.org. My suggestion is : Ask to save AFTER print a doc to keep saved the last print date in document propriety. Right now if you close saved doc after a print don't ask you to save it again and you will miss the last print date. Sandro Facondini Italy Hi Sandro There is an option in Tools-Options-General to have Printing sets 'document modified' status If this is enabled, you will be prompted to save the file if you close it after printing, and I presume this would record the printing time/date. In former times it was the default that printing modified the documents and so users had been sked to save after printing. This was annoying for a lot of people while only a few of them requested it. Honestly speaking, Sandro is the first to ask for it since years. :-) So we added this option and took the default setting that overall is the least annoying for the users. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] What is OpenOffice.org relationship to SourceForge.net
jonathon wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: And there never was any hosting of OOo on SourceForge.net. a) Translate.org.za is one of three or four l10n groups that hosts their OOo builds on Sourceforge. b) There are a couple of projects like OxygenOffice that host their version of OOo on sourceforge. But this is not the official OpenOffice.org project. In fact they are descendants of OOo, at least OxygenOffice is even a fork IMHO (don't know the Translate.org versions and if they contribute back, sorry). Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Revision control of OOo documents
Stefan Monnier wrote: Would it help to use the WebDAV API of, say, SVN and let OOo store each stream separately into a WebDAV folder, this folder becoming the representation of the OOo file? I don't think so: I absolutely need to be able to work on a document (including saving, tho maybe not commit new revisions) while I have no network connectivity. There is nothing that prevents you from doing so. I thought it might be a good idea to store a copy of the current document in memory to the VCS via WebDAV. You still can have your local copy as a normal document. Of course we would need a function that directly reads a document from a WebDAV folder. Both (reading from and writing to) the folder could be added as check in and check out functions to the file menu. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] What is OpenOffice.org relationship to SourceForge.net
Hi Leo, Burkardt, Leo A wrote: I just wanted to know if there is any relationship between OpenOffice.org and SourceForge.net. I thought I originally came across OpenOffice a few years ago as a SourceForge.net project. SourceForge.net is a hoster for a lot of open source projects. OOo is hosted by Collab.net. There is no relationship of any kind between OOo and SourceForge.net. And there never was any hosting of OOo on SourceForge.net. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Revision control of OOo documents
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 11 juin 2007 21:39, J. David Boyd a écrit : I don't think it is possible, is it? A .odt file is a ZIP file, and even though, internally, it contains text, I believe that any CVSish type of program would see it as a binary file. Some VCSes will expand .zips and look what's inside it But the right solution would be for OO.o to be aware of the VCS backend and store odt components in it as separate files (playing on changesets sto specify they're all part of the same doc version). An OO.o that used a mercurial or git storage backend natively would open all sorts of collaborative editing possibilities (like revision marks but with industrial-strength distributed change tracking. The big problem with revision marks if they want a linear history) Would it help to use the WebDAV API of, say, SVN and let OOo store each stream separately into a WebDAV folder, this folder becoming the representation of the OOo file? Perhaps OOo would need to do some VCS bookkeeping besides that but could that be the way to go? That's something we already had working some time ago though never tested enough to release it. Or how would you suggest to make OOo aware of the VCS backend? Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Suggestions: Locales and network printers
Christian Foerg wrote: Christian Foerg wrote: It seems, that OOo querrys the actual settings from printer, every single time I open a existing document/spreadsheat, etc. Even, if there is another one already open. So due to the fact of slow response or missing access rights this could take a while and it takes at least 6 seconds (after startup) to open a (empty) document, which is very annoying. Fortunately that's not completely true. Mathias wrote: Writer never accesses a printer except when - the user changes printer settings - the user asks for printing Yes, after trying some scenarios, Writer seems to be clean. Calc and Impress still have a problem. Calc accesses the printer everytime when a document is modified the first time, Draw/Impress do it everytime when the document is saved the first time. Nope, thats not completely right. In case you see a printer access though none of the mentioned cases apply I would be interested in getting more information. Here some scenario with calc: First I checked the printer metrics. Use printer metrics for text formating, in calc, is off. 1. Set default printer to a local one. Now, open calc - no (network) access Save sheet - no access Close calc Open sheet - no access Close all. 2. Set default printer to network printer Open previous sheet - network access Close all without saving. 3. Set default printer back to local Open previous sheet - no access 4. Set default printer to network Open calc - no access Save sheet - network access Close calc Open sheet - network access Close all. 5. Set default printer back to local Open previous sheet - network access For me it seems, that the printer information is stored at .ods files, and the printer is accessed on opening. Yes, I forgot to add this: Calc behaves like Draw/Impress (accessing printer while saving) but *additionally* accesses the printer when the file is modified. I also tried storing to Excel .xml files. On opening these, there is no printer access. On opening .xls there is access to the default printer. Yes, we don't read any printer information from alien formats. I think most problems in this area will vanish in OOo2.3. We also plan to add an option to ignore printer settings in documents completely but I'm unsure whether we can implement this until feature deadline for 2.3. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Suggestions: Locales and network printers
Christian Foerg wrote: It seems, that OOo querrys the actual settings from printer, every single time I open a existing document/spreadsheat, etc. Even, if there is another one already open. So due to the fact of slow response or missing access rights this could take a while and it takes at least 6 seconds (after startup) to open a (empty) document, which is very annoying. Fortunately that's not completely true. Writer never accesses a printer except when - the user changes printer settings - the user asks for printing Calc and Impress still have a problem. Calc accesses the printer everytime when a document is modified the first time, Draw/Impress do it everytime when the document is saved the first time. On opening a document (regardless which application) OOo will access the printer only if - the user has selected printer metrics for formatting (default is off for all applications in OOo2, war partly different in OOo1.x) - the document contains printer settings (stored in settings.xml) - the document has an old format where using printer metrics was the default This will be fixed in OOo2.3. In case you see a printer access though none of the mentioned cases apply I would be interested in getting more information. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Introduction
James E. Pearman, P.E. wrote: I am a long time Office Suite user including MS, WP Lotus. I just discovered Open Office and put it on my new machine build at home (XP Pro 64 bit running on an ASUS Crosshair MB with an AMD Opteron 1218 Dual Core 2.6 MHZ Direct Connect Hypertransport CPU) ... RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE ... AWESOME!!! I haven't used it a lot yet, but the first thing I saw was Open Office isn't OVERBLOATED like MS, WP Lotus have all become. Open Office seems to be a lean, mean feature packed Office Suite. So far I'm very impressed and I'd like to throw my hat into the ring to see if I can help in any way. Please see the following comments;I could likely serve as a Beta tester if that would help. Not too sure if I'd be particularly helpful as an ALPHA tester, but could probably be helpful as a Beta tester.I am a Mechanical Engineer and a heavy user of large complex spreadsheets. We also do a lot of empirical testing that we need to interpolate data from curves for use in these spreadsheets. A serious shortcoming of MS Excel, WP Quattro Lotus 123 is Interpolation (not curve fit and least squares). I found a piece of freeware called xtrfun from http://www.xlxtrfun.com that I have found incredibly useful for interpolating from our empirical data. Would you consider incorporating this?Lastly, have you considered bringing out something like MS Outlook with your Open Office Suite? I would love to see you add that with one minor caveat. MS Outlook is not especially friendly with Mail Merge and in fact is really clunky. If you do decide to do something similar to MS Outlook, perhaps you could make it user friendly with Mail Merge to interface with Open Office Writer.That's all I can pester you with for now. Just get back to me when you can and let me know.THANK YOU!Jim Thanks for your offer, helping as a tester is a good way to support the project. In case you are interested to join OOo testing please go to the qa.openoffice.org website. There you should find all necessary instructions. Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
