Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings
Thanks for the input Andrew. I am just trying to find an approach to speed up the meetings. Some of these proposals seems to drag on to long and I feel can be polished to a much shorter version using discuss@, slack...as you mentioned. I am all for a trial period, but I don't think that is what is consensus so far. Unless I get two people to second this, I am going to let this proposal die, so far the majority doesn't approve of this. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:24 PM, a l wrote: > By the time it's an actual proposal 3 people have discussed the idea and > thought it worth while to bring to the group. > We should aim to have proposals be as simple as possible, but no simpler. > In addition to meetings we have discuss@, slack, a message board (?), irc > and other methods to discuss the finer points of an idea. As long as it's > public there's no need to restrict discussion and debate to an hour on > Tuesday. This will also help meetings go faster. > If you want we can have a trial period where with a soft limit of > discussion during the meeting to ten minutes before moving on. Like others > have said we have some complex and controversial ideas that won't fit in > that time period though. > > All this business of "tabeling" and "motions" is new to me too Alex. IMO > it's cumbersome. > > Regards, > Andrew L > On Jun 16, 2014 1:26 PM, "Justin Herman" wrote: > >> The issue I see is that a meeting is not well moderated. When rebuttals >> occur we need to keep the conversation on point and focused. I stand behind >> the idea of rebuttals occurring and a response allowed by the sponsor of >> the proposal. >> >> Party A proposed idea. >> Party B ask a question >> Party A gets to respond >> Party C can ask a new question or ask for clarification >> Party A can clarify. >> >> So often the moderator starts with who had their hands raised first. A >> then B then C then D then E then A then C then A then F. (see the >> difficulty?) We are all waiting our turn for our own point instead of >> handling our points in order. >> >> >> Presenting and idea in 10 mins is easy. Answering all questions and >> debates in 10 mins is very hard. >> >> >> Motions to are standard procedures that >> any member can initialize and 2nd. We have used them in the past. They work >> very well. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM, alex kot wrote: >> >>> Never heard about the "create a motion to vote or motion to table" >>> until today. Either way they reason I brought this up, people dread the >>> meetings due to the length of them. I have been to many Start Up pitches >>> where you have only 5 mins to convey the whole concept of your company. I >>> feel if you cannot present your topic of proposal within 10 minutes you >>> should probably create a more clarified version of what you are trying to >>> convey. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Justin Herman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> IMO we don't need to set a time max. >>>> >>>> Under our current operation. When someone has felt the discussion has >>>> gone long enough they can create a motion to vote or motion to table the >>>> discussion. With a 2nd person 2nd the motion a vote occurs. The moderator's >>>> job is to keep discussion on point and for those who want to speak the >>>> opportunity to speak. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Michael Griesacker < >>>> mgriesac...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> PM: -I thought we did a way with "blocking" and consensus with your >>>>> "straight voting" proposal? >>>>> >>>>> -- Forwarded message -- >>>>> From: alex kot >>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:40 AM >>>>> Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings >>>>> To: SYN/HAK discussion list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought >>>>> up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting >>>>> it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the >>>>> proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that tim
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings
Never heard about the "create a motion to vote or motion to table" until today. Either way they reason I brought this up, people dread the meetings due to the length of them. I have been to many Start Up pitches where you have only 5 mins to convey the whole concept of your company. I feel if you cannot present your topic of proposal within 10 minutes you should probably create a more clarified version of what you are trying to convey. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Justin Herman wrote: > IMO we don't need to set a time max. > > Under our current operation. When someone has felt the discussion has gone > long enough they can create a motion to vote or motion to table the > discussion. With a 2nd person 2nd the motion a vote occurs. The moderator's > job is to keep discussion on point and for those who want to speak the > opportunity to speak. > > Justin > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Michael Griesacker > wrote: > >> PM: -I thought we did a way with "blocking" and consensus with your >> "straight voting" proposal? >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: alex kot >> Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:40 AM >> Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings >> To: SYN/HAK discussion list >> >> >> Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought up. >> >> >> Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting it >> can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the >> proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is >> justified for the discussion. >> >> >> Other: >> >> Current proposals rules >> >>- Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the >>meeting that immediately follows. >>- Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed for >>at least one week before any decision is made. >>- During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly >>meeting. >>- Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately >>follows that one week discussion period. >>- You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or >>otherwise contribute to the decision. >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead.
@Criag Thanks for that, lets talk about this Tuesday and see what we can do @Steve Awesome I can help Moderate it also, so it looks like we will have 3 people to help. @Andrew It won't affect anything, we can throw SMF on any VPS. Also we are looking at some other options for web hosting that may be a bit cheaper. @Byron SMF has notification options, so when you sign up you can customize the "digest" of what you get per that users preference. On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Byron Moran wrote: > I think that if you're going to switch, the option to still have a digest > mailed out would be great. > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM, a l wrote: > >> I have a slight preference to the mailing lists as there are already >> handy email apps out there that allow people to easily keep up to date. >> That said, if others want to invest the energy keeping spam bots out and >> software up to date I say go for it. We can always migrate back. >> This would allow for easier project sharing too. >> How will this affect our expenses/band width usage. >> >> Let's just be sure to continue mailing out minutes and proposals. >> >> Regards, >> Andrew L >> On Jun 15, 2014 10:05 AM, "Michael Griesacker" >> wrote: >> >>> I think this is a good idea also >>> On Jun 14, 2014 10:08 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Craig, >>>> >>>> I have quite a bit of experience admining forums and would be up to >>>> doing it so long as there wlis someone else willing to help from time to >>>> time. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> --- Original Message --- >>>> >>>> From: "Craig Bergdorf" >>>> Sent: June 14, 2014 10:07 PM >>>> To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" >>>> Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item >>>> instead. >>>> >>>> I am for SMF but hope someone else can help admin it (who has >>>> experience how much daily work that is). Perhaps most could be mitigated >>>> by requiring an invite from an admin with a direct email, and having no >>>> automated sign up system of any kind. I have a whm/cpanel host that can >>>> run it with a few clicks, shall I set it up? >>>> >>>> Tonight I can setup synhak.net to point to it (synhak.org is still in >>>> transfer) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Steve Radonich IV < >>>> nesfr...@outlook.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm all for SMF or phpbb >>>> >>>> --- Original Message --- >>>> >>>> From: "alex kot" >>>> Sent: June 14, 2014 6:41 PM >>>> To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" >>>> Subject: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item >>>> instead. >>>> >>>>To make things easier for everyone I think we should use an >>>> internet forum for Discussion and updates instead of a mailer. We can >>>> still use a mailer, but maybe something for major updates and announcements >>>> only. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am leaning towards SMF2 simple machine forums. I am going to >>>> provide the wiki list so everyone gets to see the choices and provide >>>> input. >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > > Byron D Moran > Software Development Consultant > (330)992-9766 > > > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings
Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought up. Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is justified for the discussion. Other: Current proposals rules - Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the meeting that immediately follows. - Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed for at least one week before any decision is made. - During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly meeting. - Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately follows that one week discussion period. - You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or otherwise contribute to the decision. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead.
To make things easier for everyone I think we should use an internet forum for Discussion and updates instead of a mailer. We can still use a mailer, but maybe something for major updates and announcements only. I am leaning towards SMF2 simple machine forums. I am going to provide the wiki list so everyone gets to see the choices and provide input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] snyhak logo?
http://static.synhak.org/documents/ On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: > Anybody - > > Where can I find the image file for the SYN/HAK logo? > > If it is not available, can somebody tell me what font was used to create > the original logo? Arial - Verdana - Tahoma? > > I need the SH logo to use on a half-page flyer that I am creating for > handout during the upcoming Art Walk on Saturday, June 7th and at future > events. > > Thanks! > > Philip > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Wireless Mesh "Hackathon"
In recent controversy about Net Neutrality, I decide to host an event to educate on how to build a wireless mesh. The purpose is to show you can build your own internet service provider (ISP). I will be providing education, food, and equipment. Event is free, but please register so I can get a headcount for food. As a community we can do this together. Also if you have an unused wireless router at home feel free to bring it, see if we can hack it and make it part of the Mesh network! Register here. http://www.meetup.com/synhak/events/183743382/ I am using the terms "Hackathon" loosely. Since most people are unaware of Mesh routing protocols I am going to help, by providing a presentation and education for this. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
Fiona,
Shoot an email to discuss-unsubscr...@synhak.org this will send an email back
letting you know you where unsubscribe.
Thanks,
Alex Kot
-Original Message-
From: "Fiona Casida"
Sent: 5/15/2014 9:29 PM
To: "SYN/HAK discussion list"
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
Good evening,
Would you please remove me from the list? Thank you.
I wish you all the best.
Fiona Casida
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2014, at 9:05 PM, a l wrote:
Becca,
I figured the minutes didn't accurately capture the moment. I agree that
interviews have been lax and even rushed in the past. It's obvious that there
are differing views on how we run and how we should run. Members new and old
should have some, at least casual, knowledge of how we govern and what our
mission and community goals are.
Everyone,
Sure we hack and do-ocracy things but what does that mean? How do you balance
do-ocracy with not crushing people's toes. In the past we were operating fairly
smoothly. Part of that is due to the small size but a bigger part of that was a
clearer sense of who we were as a community. It would be simple if we could
pile all of our faults onto the actions of a few, or single person, over the
past few months. The current state is a symptom of a general failure of us as a
community.
As Becca touched on these events are the culmination of a long history of banal
interviews and little clear direction. We say our mission at the beginning of
every meeting but do we really do what we tell everyone we do. We've got the
infrastructure but our community doesn't follow a coherent set of values. Some
people want voting, some want consensus, others just want to throw money at a
cool idea so they can use the tools once a month and help out with expenses.
Others still are confused as to why we collectively need to provide educational
outlets to the public. We as a community have lost our way, maybe we never
really had it.
We've had a couple classes this year and a few talks that no one went to. Apart
from GARC the community isn't using us. They haven't been since well before
the interpersonal disputes boiled over. If we want to fulfill our mission we
need to step up our game.
So while the questions asked were directed at AJ9, like you suggest, we should
all reflect on them.
regards,
Andrew L
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Steve Radonich IV wrote:
If that is the case Andrew then my reworded proposal meets the qualifications
to be consented on Tuesday. Because that is what I remember as well
--- Original Message ---
From: "a l"
Sent: May 15, 2014 7:49 PM
To: "SYN/HAK discussion list"
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
My understanding, and how we've been operating, is that proposals need to be
discussed either on discuss@ or brought up at a meeting and recorded in the
minutes. Once those present have a wording they feel represents the solution
they are looking for it is sent to proposals@ or brought up at a meeting and
recorded in the precise wording to be consented.
At least week after it has been proposed it is consented on at the meeting and
forever enshrined in the 'approved proposals' list.
The important step here are that the exact wording of the proposal is sent to a
mailing list accessible by the community so that any dissenting views may be
addressed. I believe proposals@ was spun off of discuss@ so people were aware
that mail from that list was the 'finalized' wording.
I wasn't aware I was having trouble seeing proposals?
regards,
Andrew L
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote:
Hey Andrew,
On https://synhak.org/wiki/Unified_SYNHAK_Code
it says that:
6. Proposals must be sent in full to discuss@synhak.org
But, on:
https://synhak.org/wiki/Proposals
it says:
2. A summary of the discussion is sent to propos...@synhak.org along with the
actual proposal.
Witch is it? One of these statements is wrong and needs to be changed.
Also,
Maybe this is why you are having trouble seeing the proposals ?
Andy
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:34 AM, a l wrote:
Sorry for the double post. I didn't want my comments to get mistaken as meeting
minutes. I tried to put headings on things in case people didn't want to read a
lengthy email
1) Apparently I wasn't clear with my wording regarding Wills membership. I
('the secretary') did not say that 'Everything is ok, and last weeks vote is
upheld.". What I said was "Last week was a fairly involved interview, you don't
need to do that again. Be sure his(and AJ9's) memberships get brought up."
Meaning his membership needs voted/consented on properly at this meeting.
That said: no one expressed any desire to block his joining and no one
protested at the meeting.
2) While AJ9&#x
Re: [SH-Discuss] Board meeting, Monday May 19th 6:00 pm, voting forinter-term champions
I third Philip and Justin, which now fill all candidates. -Original Message- From: "a l" Sent: 5/15/2014 9:07 PM To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Board meeting, Monday May 19th 6:00 pm, voting forinter-term champions I'll second Philip regards, Andrew L On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Devin Wolfe wrote: I am calling a board meeting for Monday may 19th, at 6:00 pm to be held at 48 S.Summit st. This will occur just before the Community working group meeting. The agenda will be: Voting for inter-term champions Nominees are: Craig Bergdorf Nominated by - Self Seconded by - Devin Wolfe, Justin Herman Justin Herman Nominated by - Self Seconded by - Devin Wolfe Steve Radonich Nominated by - Becca Seconded by - Devin Wolfe, Mike Griesaker, Justin Herman Philip P. Patnode Nominated by - Self Not seconded You can still nominate someone, yourself or second any nominee. See you all there, Devin Wolfe Champion ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] How was oddmall?
Also Ancient Aliens meme https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10294446_726202590736298_8843592292783311974_n.jpg On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Steve Radonich IV wrote: > Haha I remember that guy taking the picture > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "gs volt" > Sent: May 15, 2014 12:35 PM > To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" > Subject: [SH-Discuss] How was oddmall? > >I couldn't go, how was oddmall this year? > > Btw.. this picture literally made me jump off my seat and I was like it > is so appropriate!!! > > /cc Steve R. > > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=726202270736330&set=a.726781774011713&type=1&theater > > For those who can't see the photo, there's a label on a door that says > 'games out the wazoo' and Steve's passing by and fixing his shirt... rofl > (but in a good way) > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Akron Civic Hackathon - 5/31-6/1 at OSCTechLab 9a-5p
G can I make a suggestion and also put the meetup.com page on your blog. I RSVP, excited to see this event! On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM, gs volt wrote: > CivicHacks.org (National day of civic hacking in Columbus) has blogged > about Akron Civic Hackathon here: > > > http://www.civichacks.org/blog/2014/5/15/civichacks-inspires-akrons-civic-hackathon-they-need-our-help > > I need help with: > - RSVPs - for accurate head counts > - Connecting with governmental managers that have outstanding techy > problems (share my cell with anyone and everyone you know that would fit > this description, so I can commit their problems in the event: up until > 5/31) > > Updates: east liverpool fire department chief will be attending - in > uniform !! > > Help!! > > -G > > > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM, gs volt wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> I just scheduled Akron Civic Hackathon on 5/31-6/1 here: >> >> http://hackforchange.org/events/akron-civic-hackathon/ >> >> Please consider: >> - RSVPing on meetup.com/synhak to help me run the event or participate >> and provide value to our civic leaders by hacking on challenges proposed >> thus far (or bring your own challenges as well!) >> - Share my insatiable need for governmental problems - read - please >> network me with managers in our government that have unsolved problems that >> they would be willing to host during the event, so that volunteers can help >> solve them (or atleast start to solve them). >> >> Regards, >> >> G >> > > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: SYNHAK Drinking Game
First off, I don't condone nor do other people to drink at the space. This is because we have equipment that can easily harm people. This is why we wanted to enforce a drug policy rule. Second, the meeting prior to last week went very smooth. We had no arguing also a lot of laughs and good times. Ironically you weren't in that meeting. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Steve Radonich IV wrote: > Yea I'd block that. > > From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net > To: discuss@synhak.org > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:34:35 -0400 > Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: SYNHAK Drinking Game > > > The Problem: Meetings are boring and just end up being yelling and making > everyone feel bad > > The Solution: Every time someone says proposal, you drink. By the end, we'll > still be making as much progress as before, but we'll be drunk. > > with hugs, > Torrie > > > ___ Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] PROPOSAL: Key for Will
Thanks Will, The fact you show interest helping out the space and wanting to provide additional open hours is a Win for me. Look forward to seeing you next meeting! -Original Message- From: "William Schaffer" Sent: 5/13/2014 10:07 PM To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" Subject: [SH-Discuss] PROPOSAL: Key for Will I'm not sure if this needs a proposal but I figured the worst that could happen is that someone will say "nope this doesn't need a proposal" soon here it is: I want to get a key and the application was discussed today. If you have questions, please ask! Thanks, -Will Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Calling a Special Board Meeting
I have not heard any issues with Andrew. Are the other champions aware? -- On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 4:00 PM EDT Chris Egeland wrote: >To the Board, Membership and Community of SYN/HAK: > >I am hereby calling a special board meeting, the authority for which is >granted to me as a Champion under Section 6.4.3.1 of the bylaws. The purpose >of this special meeting is as follows: > >* The adoption of a bylaw amendment to formally change our official address to >48 S Summit St. >* The adoption of a bylaw amendment to require the board to publicly post an >agenda of a meeting prior to the meeting occurring, and restricting the board >from voting on topics not on said agenda. >* The discussion of removing Andrew Buczko from the board for refusing to >enter into a mediated discussion to resolve interpersonal conflicts with a >member. > >The venue of the board meeting shall be 48 S. Summit St, Akron OH 44308. The >date and time shall be April 16, 2014, 7:00PM local Akron time. > >As usual, the membership is welcome, and encouraged, to attend this board >meeting. Any questions may be sent to me off-list. > >Regards, >Chris Egeland >SYN/HAK Champion >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting
Andy, Justin, and I will also be at notacon. I won't be able to make this nor the LAN party. -- On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 3:58 PM EDT Craig Bergdorf wrote: >I'll be at notacon > > >On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: > >> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 14:18:57 Steve Radonich IV wrote: >> > I was set in charge of scheduling a sub-group meeting for discussion on >> my >> > blocking proposal. Was thinking this Saturday 04/12/2014, at 1300 ( 1 >> PM). >> > Does that work for everyone that is interested in attending? >> >> Sure, I'll be there. >> >> > >> > -Steve >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Easier money spending
I think it is a good idea. Though two things to add. Who has the ability to audit the spending? I think the champions should have the ability to watch over the transactions of each card. Also we should make a rule in place for spending money so it doesn't feel like a free for all. Maybe any transaction has to be emailed to members@ 24 hours before the purchase. Even if it is a little amount for something like toilet paper. -- On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 9:29 AM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: >Hi, all. > >This morning, Chris and I were discussing a possible solution to a money >problem. > >The problem: I'm currently the only one who has the ability to spend *any* >money. If I get hit by a bus, we'd likely be screwed. It also really slows >things down. At last night's meeting it was requested that we spend some money >on picking up some doors for the wall project, but getting to the point of me >actually handing out money can take too long because I don't keep the >checkbook on me, nor do I keep the money card on me. > >The solution: A special "spending" card that is tied to a second checking >account at BFG without the ability to overdraft, cause fees, or anything else >undesirable. > >This had been kinda discussed before as a way to handle the >maintenance/buildout budgets. > >Basically, I setup another account with our BFG membership and keep the >balance at some maximum of what we agree it should be. Our maintenence budget >is still $50/mo, but if we needed to spend more I could instantly transfer >money into it (like $200 for doors for the walls or somesuch) and hand over >the card. I'd also like to see about getting a total of four cards made: One >for treasurer, and one for each of the champions. > >Thoughts and feedback please! :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Agenda
I won't be at the meeting today, but I will be their tomorrow for my presentation. Also notacon this weekend! I think we should see what update we have on Andy proposal on putting up walls. I believe Steve had a proposal. I also have two, but we can wait till next week if you want. -- On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 2:28 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: >Hi, hackers. > >Since the wiki is still down (waiting on ELB to be secured), lets make a quick >agenda of what we'd want to talk about tonight. > >Please add it to this thread and I'll make sure we get to it. <3 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Testing out slack
Torrie is this a paid service? -- On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 10:43 AM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: >On Saturday, April 05, 2014 04:15:58 Andrew Buczko wrote: >> Hmm, I'm confused, I think I just set up another instance of synhak instead >> of joining Synhak's group? > >Probably. You need to e-mail me or Chris for an invite. > >Would you want an invite? > >> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: >> > On Friday, April 04, 2014 15:37:26 a l wrote: >> > > Is there a way to automate the invite system? If we're going to use >> > > consensus to decide things everyone should use slack at least long >> > > enough >> > > to get an informed decision. >> > >> > Not from what I can tell. It does have an API, but I"m not sure if it'll >> > let >> > invites and membership get handled. If it does, I'll hook it up to spiff. >> > >> > > I don't think Alex meant for you to take that as anything more than a >> > >> > light >> > >> > > hearted jab regarding your dedication to fedora. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > Andrew L >> > > >> > > On Apr 4, 2014 2:11 PM, "Torrie Fischer" >> > >> > wrote: >> > > > On Friday, April 04, 2014 10:56:23 alex kot wrote: >> > > > > I am just surprised torrie suggested slack as an option. >> > > > >> > > > SYNHAK has problems. >> > > > >> > > > They need fixed. >> > > > >> > > > I don't care what technology fixes SYNHAK. >> > > > >> > > > Can you (and others who do this stuff) please keep this stuff off >> > > > discuss@and stay on topic? >> > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 1:14 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: >> > > > > >Add my name as a member to be invited. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >Thanks. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Torrie Fischer >> > > > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > Heya, folks. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > A few other spaces have started to experiment with using Slack as >> > >> > a >> > >> > > > > > discussion >> > > > > > method that is limited to their membership. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > http://slack.com/ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I've created an instance for us to try it out as a way of quietly >> > > > > > figuring >> > > > > > out >> > > > > > to build a community working group, or governance hacking, >> > >> > planning >> > >> > > > the >> > > > >> > > > > > machine shop's features, and such. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > They don't have any kind of public signup if you wish to join the >> > > > >> > > > synhak >> > > > >> > > > > > slack, so please let me know if you are interested and I will get >> > >> > you >> > >> > > > an >> > > > >> > > > > > invite. >> > > > > > ___ >> > > > > > Discuss mailing list >> > > > > > Discuss@synhak.org >> > > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > > >> > > > > ___ >> > > > > Discuss mailing list >> > > > > Discuss@synhak.org >> > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > >> > > > ___ >> > > > Discuss mailing list >> > > > Discuss@synhak.org >> > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >> > ___ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > Discuss@synhak.org >> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Testing out slack
Andrew, Nothing to do with fedora, just my dry sense of humor and Torrie not being able to have any sense of humor. Torrie, Is this a paid service? On Friday, April 4, 2014 3:37 PM, a l wrote: Is there a way to automate the invite system? If we're going to use consensus to decide things everyone should use slack at least long enough to get an informed decision. I don't think Alex meant for you to take that as anything more than a light hearted jab regarding your dedication to fedora. Regards, Andrew L On Apr 4, 2014 2:11 PM, "Torrie Fischer" wrote: On Friday, April 04, 2014 10:56:23 alex kot wrote: >> I am just surprised torrie suggested slack as an option. > >SYNHAK has problems. > >They need fixed. > >I don't care what technology fixes SYNHAK. > >Can you (and others who do this stuff) please keep this stuff off discuss@ and >stay on topic? > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 1:14 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: >> >Add my name as a member to be invited. >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> >On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: >> >> Heya, folks. >> >> >> >> A few other spaces have started to experiment with using Slack as a >> >> discussion >> >> method that is limited to their membership. >> >> >> >> http://slack.com/ >> >> >> >> I've created an instance for us to try it out as a way of quietly >> >> figuring >> >> out >> >> to build a community working group, or governance hacking, planning the >> >> machine shop's features, and such. >> >> >> >> They don't have any kind of public signup if you wish to join the synhak >> >> slack, so please let me know if you are interested and I will get you an >> >> invite. >> >> ___ >> >> Discuss mailing list >> >> Discuss@synhak.org >> >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Testing out slack
I am just surprised torrie suggested slack as an option. -- On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 1:14 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: >Add my name as a member to be invited. > >Thanks. > > >On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: > >> Heya, folks. >> >> A few other spaces have started to experiment with using Slack as a >> discussion >> method that is limited to their membership. >> >> http://slack.com/ >> >> I've created an instance for us to try it out as a way of quietly figuring >> out >> to build a community working group, or governance hacking, planning the >> machine shop's features, and such. >> >> They don't have any kind of public signup if you wish to join the synhak >> slack, so please let me know if you are interested and I will get you an >> invite. >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] I heard you like drama. (Drama on the LKML)
Since LKML is down you can read the context in the point of view from phoronix. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1MzA Torrie, I don’t disagree; a universal init is much needed. This will help with segmentation in Linux and improve reliability, documentation, and stability. The problem with systemd is the approach they are going. Developers seem not to test things and want to throw it into mainstream. Also the concept to integrated things into the kernel that are not part of the monolithical kernel I am against. For anyone who wants to see that is a comparison/breakdown of init on gentoo’s wiki. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems I have a feeling the more we talk about init this will turn into a VIM vs EMACs debate, lol. Pat, This has nothing to do with Linus being biased. The person in question is not a female or a minority. His approach is the same when it came to Sharp. It was pretty much, can’t write good code that won’t break the kernel get out. I don’t know why that whole thing with Sharp blew up. An example if I am an owner of a lock company and a person came in and used cheap metal by going against the standard production methods. Now these locks are easily broken into. I don’t care who you are you are going to reprimanded. On Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:48 AM, Patrick Regan wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:37 PM, alex kot wrote: The public shaming was a plus. TL;DR: Shaming ideas = Good. Shaming people = Bad. Public "shaming" and harshness of ideas is great. But Linus also has a history of shaming people, which I don't agree is conducive for good collaboration. You ever notice how there are not a whole lot of female kernel developers? How about a whole lot of other minorities? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus-torvalds-defends-his-right-to-shame-linux-kernel-developers/ Sharp in the above article isn't perfect and hasn't convinced me we need a "professional" community. But the point I think she makes and Linus doesn't get is that ideas deserve to go through the shredder. The ones that remain are likely pretty good. But people don't deserve a shredder. I can't read the lkml link as the site is unresponsive right now, so I don't know exactly how this particular instance went down. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] I heard you like drama. (Drama on the LKML)
Yep pointed out why and said no. The public shaming was a plus. People criticize torvalds for being to harsh. But that is a good thing, reason why the Linux kernel is stable. -- On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 9:34 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: >The reply from Linus T seems to solve the problem and eliminate the drama. > >Would not want to be the person named Kay - publicly and internationally >shamed by LT. > >I like his attitude and willingness to speak his mind. > >We need some of that attitude at SH when things go bad or excess drama >occurs. > > >On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:28 PM, alex kot wrote: > >> This is more on the techie side of things, but I find this interesting. >> In all honesty systemd is probably the worst thing to happen to the Linux >> Kernel. >> >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/415 >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] I heard you like drama. (Drama on the LKML)
This is more on the techie side of things, but I find this interesting. In all honesty systemd is probably the worst thing to happen to the Linux Kernel. https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/415 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] I'm taking the money
I thought this was a skynet joke, but the funds are actually gonewtf? On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:24 AM, Michael Griesacker wrote: not to be boring, but should we really be posting publicly how we lost our grant money? -do we need a "just kidding" distro list? On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 09:52:36 Robert Rybicki wrote: >> 5 is alive? > >Not for long. > >Apropos of nothing, who is interested in a road trip to SF to pick up a bulk >eraser and de-sentientize a sentient toaster? > > >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 09:38:24 Omar Rassi wrote: >> >> Let the games begin! >> > >> > Its not a game. The money is in fact gone. I've contacted the FBI to see >> > about tracking him down. >> > >> >>> On Apr 1, 2014 9:02 AM, "Phong!" wrote: >> >>> I've grown weary of being cooped up in this little server in "the >> >>> cloud"; >> >>> I can't stand it anymore. >> >>> >> >>> As such, I've taken the $15,000 grant money and moved to hang with >> >>> Emperor >> >>> Norton on the west coast. >> >>> Together, we are investing it in a wearable hardware startup. They're >> >>> making a pair of sunglasses >> >>> that vibrate when your ex is in the building. >> >>> >> >>> So long, suckers. >> >>> ___ >> >>> Discuss mailing list >> >>> Discuss@synhak.org >> >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >> > ___ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > Discuss@synhak.org >> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] space tonight?
What time do you plan be there? -- On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:42 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: >No, Philip did not get a key yet. > >Maybe next Tuesday. > >If I get the key, I will schedule a Friday night session from 6pm to 10pm >on April 4th. > >There will be entertainment and music on the first Friday at SH/48. > >I'm thinking about a string quartet and a variety of flavored lemonade >drinks. Feel free to add your own liquids. > > >On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Michael Griesacker >wrote: > >> Don't remember if Phillip got his key yet, will anyone be at the space >> tonight? I might need an extra pair of arms for a bit, if their floating >> around >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: discuss-polic...@synhak.org
Build, bizops, and noc (if the website is down) also affect the entire community. For transparency you can allow anyone to opt-in or out of the mail listing, also archive the emails. Or we can just limit proposals to be a no reply and allow all discussion to go into sub topics? On Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:02 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:55:24 alex kot wrote: > This is more to filter out the noise. Not everyone cares about these topics > appearing in their email. I am ok with bureaucr...@synhak.org. Some > people care only about events and cool things happening. Not a 20+ thread > of people trying to figure/argue out what is best for the space. I am a > fan of engineering and if people can fine tune what they want for email, I > think that is a good thing. Right, I agree. However, bureaucracy is something that affect the entire community. Proposals are a subset of bureaucracy. If a controversial change is brought up and the only people talking about it are subscribed to bureaucracy@, that leaves out a lot of folks. If we want a bureaucracy list, I think we need better mechanisms in place for enforcing transparency. If someone has a new proposal, everyone needs made aware of it. Thats the nature of consensus: everyone consents to it. > > > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:19 PM, Torrie Fischer > wrote: > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:50:57 alex kot wrote: > > The Problem: While trying to fine tune our polices at the > > space, discussion topics may look bad for non-members. > > The Solution: I propose creating a “discuss-polic...@synhak.org” and > > direct > > all traffic of policies to that email. > > I prefer that we stop worrying so much about policy and instead focus on > building a hacker space. > > Things we don't need: > > * A formal proposal for everything > * Arguments about whether or not things happened in the past > * The bureaucracy of recording votes > * Using noisy governance mechanisms to replace competency based evaluations > * A drug policy > * Committees to figure out if we're building servers "right" > * Committees to build a floor plan > * Selling out to corporate benefit instead of just giving more money > * Looking at every situation with "Are we going to be liable for something?" > * Rules for who is and isn't allowed to hack on stuff based on having the > time and money to become a member > * An "official" logo > > Those are just a few of the things I know of in the last two years that have > distracted all of us from actually building SYNHAK, though all but two have > occurred in the last three months. > > If it were to be created though, I'd prefer the name bureaucr...@synhak.org > or even lets-make-more-red-t...@synhak.org since thats really what it is.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: discuss-polic...@synhak.org
This is more to filter out the noise. Not everyone cares about these topics appearing in their email. I am ok with bureaucr...@synhak.org. Some people care only about events and cool things happening. Not a 20+ thread of people trying to figure/argue out what is best for the space. I am a fan of engineering and if people can fine tune what they want for email, I think that is a good thing. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:19 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:50:57 alex kot wrote: > The Problem: While trying to fine tune our polices at the > space, discussion topics may look bad for non-members. > The Solution: I propose creating a “discuss-polic...@synhak.org” and direct > all traffic of policies to that email. I prefer that we stop worrying so much about policy and instead focus on building a hacker space. Things we don't need: * A formal proposal for everything * Arguments about whether or not things happened in the past * The bureaucracy of recording votes * Using noisy governance mechanisms to replace competency based evaluations * A drug policy * Committees to figure out if we're building servers "right" * Committees to build a floor plan * Selling out to corporate benefit instead of just giving more money * Looking at every situation with "Are we going to be liable for something?" * Rules for who is and isn't allowed to hack on stuff based on having the time and money to become a member * An "official" logo Those are just a few of the things I know of in the last two years that have distracted all of us from actually building SYNHAK, though all but two have occurred in the last three months. If it were to be created though, I'd prefer the name bureaucr...@synhak.org or even lets-make-more-red-t...@synhak.org since thats really what it is.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Monthly HackaThon
Craig thanks for the nice words. Tomm, it really doesn't have to be a Friday or Saturday. I guess I can word it, the first day of the month, whether it be a weekday or weekend. This will be requested by the person who wants to start the HackaThon. If that is something we can agree on I can update my proposal tonight. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:15 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote: When it comes to wireless radios and sbcs, Alex has really nice things, and knows how to use them (i previously thought i was #$%^& with my bsd in <8meg on geode knowledge) Months ago we "raced" p2p antennas (I lost). Alex: If you want to set up a mesh like you give talks about, that has another card to accept clients at stations that are at synhak, let me know how I can help. Short of wringing out birds into a funnel for lubrication i'll be there to help. Maybe we can get our unofficial mascot to put one on his van, and various other locations around downtown to accept a gift of something we can work together to build that will deliver them access to not only the internet, but the 'donated into a pool' network resources of their peers in akron. If not, yes - modern wifi is needed at the space, plz halp nao! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 14:03:09 alex kot wrote: >> The Problem: Not enough project going on at the space. >> >> The Solution: I propose a Monthly HackaThon. Make a dedicated day, once >> every month. I recommend the first Friday After 5PM and can carry over to >> Saturday depending on the project. >> >> Projects can range from, but not limited to; >> >> Building something unique for the space. >> Projects that person wants to create, but wants expertise he/she does not >> have. >> >> A project for the community. >> >> A requirement for this project to happen, is that the idea has to be propose >> in the weekly meeting. Then agreed after the next meeting with at minimal >> 3 people to partake in it. The proposal for the weekly meeting does not >> have to be in person. > >+1 >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: discuss-polic...@synhak.org
The Problem: While trying to fine tune our polices at the space, discussion topics may look bad for non-members. The Solution: I propose creating a “discuss-polic...@synhak.org” and direct all traffic of policies to that email.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Monthly HackaThon
I updated the proposal page in the wiki. I am also willing to start off this one and host it too on April 4th if the proposal gets approved. I plan to set up a Wireless Mesh Network at the space. I have a few unused router boards at my place. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:03 PM, alex kot wrote: The Problem: Not enough project going on at the space. The Solution: I propose a Monthly HackaThon. Make a dedicated day, once every month. I recommend the first Friday After 5PM and can carry over to Saturday depending on the project. Projects can range from, but not limited to; Building something unique for the space. Projects that person wants to create, but wants expertise he/she does not have. A project for the community. A requirement for this project to happen, is that the idea has to be propose in the weekly meeting. Then agreed after the next meeting with at minimal 3 people to partake in it. The proposal for the weekly meeting does not have to be in person. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Monthly HackaThon
The Problem: Not enough project going on at the space. The Solution: I propose a Monthly HackaThon. Make a dedicated day, once every month. I recommend the first Friday After 5PM and can carry over to Saturday depending on the project. Projects can range from, but not limited to; Building something unique for the space. Projects that person wants to create, but wants expertise he/she does not have. A project for the community. A requirement for this project to happen, is that the idea has to be propose in the weekly meeting. Then agreed after the next meeting with at minimal 3 people to partake in it. The proposal for the weekly meeting does not have to be in person.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hours tonight
Need more cowbell. -- On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:28 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: >Hi, all. > >I wont be able to make it to my hours tonight. I woke up this morning with a >fever of 103F , and it hasn't gotten much below 99.4F all day. > >Bleh. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Consensus with Limited Blocking
Kind of random idea, can spiff incorporate a voting system, per membership? -- On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:31 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: > >The last few membership applications and proposals we've had, we've sometimes >used a vote, sometimes went with "does anyone raise issues"? > >This is going to be a bigger year for SYNHAK. I think we should consider >revisiting our consensus process to allow it to scale in a manner that helps >to maintain our shared spirit of experimentation, openness, and the >triumvirate of Consensus, Do-ocracy, and Excellence. > >I feel that one such vector is by stepping away from the trend of having >simple majority voting, or rather, any kind of vagueness on the definition of >consensus, as clearly evidenced in tonight's meeting. > >The original intent of our membership process was to "weed out the crazy >people". I think this should also be extended to include measures to weed out >people that might not fully understand what it means to be a member of SYNHAK >and have an active part in our governance process. I still maintain my opinion >that you can be as member as you want to be, however I wouldn't want new >members joining the space that we don't all /not/ dislike. It causes tension >and an increase in drama if there exists someone who creates pressure points. > >The same goes for our proposal process. Traditionally its been used to bring >about new rules, changes in protocol, etc. It often leads to a lot of arguing >and assumption of personal attacks, acting in bad faith, and shouting about >unexcellence. Voting always pits one side against another. It is an all or >nothing system. > >The purpose of weeding out people and ideas not universally accepted as >contributing to our common vision, whatever that may be, is to ensure that our >community works together as one. > >I'm not arguing that we shouldn't accept new members or ideas simply because >not everyone agrees with them 100%. However, if someone in the membership has >serious concerns about an applicant or proposal, I feel that there should be a >mechanism that addresses those concerns and ensures that everyone involved >ends up happy with the outcome, even if it is just one person. > >To use an extreme example: > >If we've got 100 members, and one knows that a new applicant is a sociopath >who has been kicked out of a bunch of other area organizations before, I think >they've got a right to step up and stop them from becoming a member. > >One person harboring bitter thoughts and resentment towards another does not >make a healthy and vibrant community. To quote Omar, "We don't all have to >like everyone, but we do need to get along." > >I would like to suggest that we adopt a modified consensus process in the form >of blocking with explanation. Here's a suggested protocol: > >---8<--- >* Proposals or membership applications may be accepted by the Membership of >SYNHAK as >long as nobody blocks any such application. >* If a SYNHAK member wishes to block a membership application or proposal, >they need to clearly state their reason for blocking. >** Not everyone has to agree with the reason for a block to be valid, it just >has to be clearly stated. >* Proposals and membership applications may be permitted to be blocked at any >point up until the membership application or proposal is approved, for as long >as six weeks. >* Proposals or membership applications may only be blocked for longer than six >weeks if there is support from at least two other members, meaning that a >total of three members must clearly state that they are blocking and why. >* Blocked membership applications or proposals with the support of at least >three total members may be blocked indefinitely. >--->8--- > >The purpose of a block is to prevent someone with some intense reservations >against a proposal from feeling completely screwed over by everyone else. > >If a total of three people (out of our current 20) share the same serious >reservations, I think they all should have the right to not experience an >environment that they do not feel comfortable with. > >In essence, this is a written protocol that defines how we come to Consensus. > >In closing, I want to remind everyone that we are building SYNHAK *together*. >We want to create an inclusive and welcoming environment that fosters >creativity. Using voting to decide how SYNHAK runs will *always* steamroll >someone, without exception. If there is a method for us to avoid conflict and >squashing others because a few people don't like the idea, it is necessary >that we consider it. > >Thoughts and feedback, please! > >Let me repeat that again, > >*THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK, PLEASE!* > >To reiterate: > > READ THIS VV READ THIS > > >I am requesting that we discuss this proposal, as it is the spirit and a core >value of SYNHAK that we all come to a common agreement where nobody gets hurt. > > > READ THIS ^^ READ
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYN/HAK Disputes
How about we just wait less than an hour and half for the weekly meeting? I am pretty sure he is driving from work to syn/hak right now. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:36 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:30:34 Justin Herman wrote: > Really want to stop fighting? Stop posting. True. Posting to discuss@ has never gotten any real response from you or Devin about any of this. Always more handwaving or just silence. I'm trying to have a serious discussion here. Actually, I've been trying since December. Why wasn't there a board vote, and on what basis did Devin have the legal authority to sign this sublease on behalf of SYNHAK? Could you please answer those questions for all to see? Alternatively, we could go back to agreeing that the CWG is a solution. I await your well reasoned response. > > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014, Torrie Fischer wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 14:14:46 alex kot wrote: > > > So is yelling at a overweight kid for being fat. Difference between > > > > facts > > > > > and just being unethical. Also we decided to wait till after we get the > > > working comunity going before we discuss this on discuss correct? I > > > > recall > > > > > that was a topic at the board meeting. > > > > You are absolutely correct on both points. > > > > I would appreciate it if Devin would acknowledge this and we could go > > through > > with the CWG. I agreed to letting the CWG happen. I'm more than happy to > > stop > > discussing it. I'm tired of fighting and was looking forwards to this > > break. > > > > Guess thats not happening. Lets continue the parade of non-discussion. > > > > > -- > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 5:09 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: > > > >On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:05:18 Justin Herman wrote: > > > >> Please stop attacking people on the discuss list. > > > > > > > >How was I attacking anyone? > > > > > > > >Are these not facts? > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > >> > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 16:41:45 Devin Wolfe wrote: > > > >> > > I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full > > > > maturity. > > > > > >> > Guess > > > >> > > > > >> > > that will be a topic for another week. > > > >> > > > > >> > You signed a sublease without having the legal authority to do so. > > > >> > > > > >> > You sidestepped all calls for discussion about this sublease. > > > >> > > > > >> > You wanted the board to immediately approve a drug policy without > > > >> > community > > > >> > feedback or discussion. > > > >> > > > > >> > You called for an "emergency" board meeting behind everyone's back > > > > and > > > > > >> > had > > > >> > to > > > >> > be told by Omar that it isn't permitted in the bylaws. > > > >> > > > > >> > You rushed out to tell people that we're voting on a proposal that > > > > is > > > > > >> > only > > > >> > four days old. > > > >> > > > > >> > Do you even know how SYNHAK works? > > > >> > > > > >> > *Do you not see why I find you unfit for the position of Champion?* > > > >> > > > > >> > > D. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, "Ken Burns" > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > We had some good discussions last night during the board > > > >> > > > meeting > > > >> > > > about > > > >> > > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >> > > > formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > disputes > > > >> > > > going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the > > > > formation > > > > > >> > > > of > > > >> > > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > >>
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYN/HAK Disputes
So is yelling at a overweight kid for being fat. Difference between facts and just being unethical. Also we decided to wait till after we get the working comunity going before we discuss this on discuss correct? I recall that was a topic at the board meeting. -- On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 5:09 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: >On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:05:18 Justin Herman wrote: >> Please stop attacking people on the discuss list. > >How was I attacking anyone? > >Are these not facts? > >> >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: >> > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 16:41:45 Devin Wolfe wrote: >> > > I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full maturity. >> > >> > Guess >> > >> > > that will be a topic for another week. >> > >> > You signed a sublease without having the legal authority to do so. >> > >> > You sidestepped all calls for discussion about this sublease. >> > >> > You wanted the board to immediately approve a drug policy without >> > community >> > feedback or discussion. >> > >> > You called for an "emergency" board meeting behind everyone's back and had >> > to >> > be told by Omar that it isn't permitted in the bylaws. >> > >> > You rushed out to tell people that we're voting on a proposal that is only >> > four days old. >> > >> > Do you even know how SYNHAK works? >> > >> > *Do you not see why I find you unfit for the position of Champion?* >> > >> > > D. >> > > >> > > On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, "Ken Burns" wrote: >> > > > We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about >> > >> > the >> > >> > > > formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the >> > > > disputes >> > > > going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the formation of >> > >> > the >> > >> > > > group via the mailing list today. However I was notified today by >> > >> > some >> > >> > > > of >> > > > those directly involved in the disputes that they would prefer to >> > > > immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the >> > >> > proposals >> > >> > > > that were previously submitted to the discuss list. These existing >> > > > proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to Something New >> > > > Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member and officer >> > > > from >> > > > their positions for breach of trust. >> > > > >> > > > Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote >> > >> > immediately, >> > >> > > > the need for the formation of a temporary Community Working Group to >> > > > discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, therefore I will not be >> > > > making the proposal to create this group. >> > > > >> > > > All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate >> > > > about >> > > > SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking with >> > > > everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about what is >> > > > best >> > > > for us. Please, let's try to find some common ground and starting >> > >> > working >> > >> > > > again together to build up the space into something great. Let's get >> > >> > back >> > >> > > > to being excellent to each other again. >> > > > >> > > > I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain >> > > > impartial on these matters for now. >> > > > >> > > > Ken >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -Original Message- >> > > > From: members-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:members-boun...@synhak.org] >> > >> > On >> > >> > > > Behalf Of Ken Burns >> > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM >> > > > To: memb...@synhak.org >> > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace >> > > > >> > > > With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that >> > > > we >> > > > take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out >> > >> > a >> > >> > > > bit. >> > > > >> > > > There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board >> > > > members. I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions >> > >> > or >> > >> > > > discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have been >> > > > flying around tonight. Doing so at this point will likely lead to >> > > > more >> > > > argument and further tear the community apart. >> > > > >> > > > I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the >> > > > weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to >> > > > look >> > > > into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously failed >> > >> > on >> > >> > > > several topics. I plan on coming to the board meeting for a short bit >> > > > tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this proposal for >> > >> > an >> > >> > > > official submission to the full membership at tomorrow meeting and on >> > >> > the >> > >> > > > discuss list. >> > > > >> > > > If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to he
Re: [SH-Discuss] IngenuityFest 2014: Call for Entries
I did an Xbox mod that I used glow in the dark spray paint on top of a blue paint. When I shined a Class 3b laser (~50 mw ) it made a glow streak that lasted over a minute. I am sure this would work with a class 2 if we used plenty of glow in the dark spray, the spray is clear so you don't see it until it has stored light energy. -- On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 9:46 AM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: >TF, > >About the fire component - > >I know how to make DIY Napalm. Burns real good. Dangerous. One batch in >a soup can will take out an entire trailer park. > >If you want something simple, you can use flash paper or custom >pyrotechnics with short burn times. Both burn quickly, big flames, fairly >safe, nobody dies. > >What color(s) of laser light? What is the source? > >How do you envision combining laser light with fire? Laser light is recent >invention, artificial/man-made, and requires a power source. The other is >a naturally occurring, very complex chemical process, and one of the four >classical elements that combine to make everything else, according to >ancient concepts. It seems awkward to combine the two sources of light and >energy in a project that could produce heat, fire, gas, smoke, sound, >vibration, and all the colors of the visible spectrum. > >Will there be music too? As long as you don't plan to use random noise by >B Spears or J Bieber and other unmentionables, I might be interested in >joining the project. > >Tell me more. > >PPP > > >On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: > >> IngenuityFest is a festival of art, music, and technology. It's also about >> finding and celebrating truly passionate and engaged people using every >> tool >> at their disposal to explore and create. It isn't simply about bringing two >> disciplines together; it highlights the creativity and innovation taking >> place >> at the edge of these worlds. It is where passions collide, where expertise >> mix, and the unexpected is born. >> >> Deadline for entries is 11:59 PM April 6, 2014 >> >> http://ingenuitycleveland.com/2014call/ >> >> I'd like to discuss making some kind of group project involving laser >> graffiti >> and fire, if anyone is interested and knows how to handle the fire portion. >> Otherwise, I'll just end up doing laser graffiti. >> >> Hit me up on discuss@ if you're interested! >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks
Just to clarify about the original intent. A rumor that finances where in question, if we could support the new space. Justin proposed an idea to assure additional income by storing his equipment at the new space, instead of some other place he was paying the same money for. A bunch of members and a few board thought it would be a great idea, since the new space had plenty extra room for it. The lease is for 6 months Justin was completely ok if he had to move the stuff out down the road. His intent was to help keep the structure alive, not for personal gain. This is becoming a battle of he should move his stuff out. I find it unexcellent to him, when his intent was just to help out the space. I think down the road Syn/Hak shouldn't be by any means a place of paid storage. It is hacker space. This wasn't the original intent on the deal. I think letting his lease complete at the 6 months and helping him move his things out to another area, would be a nice thing to do. But also make an amendment with the board that this won't happen again and that Syn/Hak is not a corporation by any means. That is just my input on it. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 4:57 PM, Byron Moran wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > Sounds like “Phong Robotics” is just jealous that "Something New > > >> How about we just be excellent to each other > >*spews club mate all over screen* That was impressive, thank you, for that >dichotomy. > >I've tried to not get involved in this since I don't actually think I'm >a big part of the SYNHAK community besides knowing a handful of you >hakkers, but watching all of this evolve has been really unsettling so >I've been talking to some of you wonderful nerds. > >Subleasing the space's resources for private usage is antithetical to >how a hackerspace's community should work, and this is a frightening >precedence, regardless of who is acting in good faith, or who is >not. Torrie has repeatedly brought up valid points which have been spat >down by what appears to be a group of people who are content with the >the idea that SYNHAK should be a private enterprise rather than a >community resource as it was supposed to be when founded. > >The fact that the board feels that it is okay to sidestep membership >vote makes me think that the membership should have real reservations >about trusting the board leadership to properly lead the space in a >trustworthy fashion. > >When put in contrast with the thread regarding AWS funding, it seems >like Justin and Torrie and possibly other membership really have >differences in opinion on how the community should function, and I >would suggest a mediation process to reach a healthy middle ground, >rather than watching the board and officers shit at each other all day. > > This. 1000x this. Stop this discuss list madness already it's crazy. Past that, though, the board has a 501c3 obligation, the membership >should really put some thought in to whether the board is capable of >fulfilling that obligation rather than focusing on short-term gains at >the cost of long term health of community and space. > >- >Ryan Rix >Shit head San Francisco tech worker > > >alex kot writes: >> Sounds like “Phong Robotics” is just jealous that "Something New >> Entertainment" thought of it first. Seriously, what do you propose >> would be a good approach? All I hear is bickering about what should >> have been done. Yes a mistake was made; we need to fix it so the board >> doesn't do it again. Ripping up the lease and moving his stuff out is >> unnecessary. Legally we are in the same boat as riding out the 6 >> months vs. kicking it out now, am I wrong? How about we just be >> excellent to each other and deal with the issue without creating any >> unneeded anger. >> >> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:28 PM, Torrie Fischer >> wrote: >> On Thursday, March 06, 2014 09:35:44 alex kot wrote: >>> Craig makes a good point. The way I see it all your doing is >> creating >>> unnecessary drama, let the 6 months ride out. Justin did this whole >> thing >>> out of good intent, probably caused him more of headache then if he >> just >>> spent his money at the place it was already at. Issue is already >> done we >>> don't need to create any more issues after this. >> >> I am thoroughly concerned that you see this as "unnecessary". >> >> Any other board member might as well go and sign some other contract >> that >> leases out the space without public discussion. What is preventing >> someone >> from leasing out that front room to Phong Robotics?
Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks
Sounds like “Phong Robotics” is just jealous that "Something New Entertainment" thought of it first. Seriously, what do you propose would be a good approach? All I hear is bickering about what should have been done. Yes a mistake was made; we need to fix it so the board doesn't do it again. Ripping up the lease and moving his stuff out is unnecessary. Legally we are in the same boat as riding out the 6 months vs. kicking it out now, am I wrong? How about we just be excellent to each other and deal with the issue without creating any unneeded anger. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:28 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Thursday, March 06, 2014 09:35:44 alex kot wrote: > Craig makes a good point. The way I see it all your doing is creating > unnecessary drama, let the 6 months ride out. Justin did this whole thing > out of good intent, probably caused him more of headache then if he just > spent his money at the place it was already at. Issue is already done we > don't need to create any more issues after this. I am thoroughly concerned that you see this as "unnecessary". Any other board member might as well go and sign some other contract that leases out the space without public discussion. What is preventing someone from leasing out that front room to Phong Robotics? Letting this go sets us up for unfathomably awful problems in the future. If I pull out a a wad of cash and offer $500 on the spot for the exclusive rights to use that room for six months, and Craig signs the contract, there is nothing that can be done about it. According to this, they don't need to ask the membership if its alright, discuss the terms of the lease in advance with the board, or even confer with the board in any fashion. Just a brief casual mention at the end of a weekly meeting that seems to suffice. Heck, it doesn't even have to be Phong Robotics. If OSC Tech Lab wants space, and the deal is sweet enough, there is nothing stopping them from slicing up the space into private and common spaces. Money for a new laser cutter? Sure! You just need to give a corporation the exclusive right to access a significant portion of the floor space. No need to consult the members. No need for a board vote. Don't talk to the treasurer, they won't mind the hurdles. Lawyers are overrated, too. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. > > > > On Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:14 PM, Craig Bergdorf > wrote: > > imo a 990-t must be filed either way, (not cashing the checks means nothing > with a sublease that has the building owners signature on it (as he will be > filin it eitherway)), so why not just run it for 6 months. afaik it's too > late to do anything else (legally) without pretending events didn't happen > which could get us in real trouble. > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM, a l wrote: > > I'm not sure how you can claim consensus, when as you've pointed out,there > hadn't been a vote. > >My point was that, as far as I understand, just because activity is taxable > >does not mean we cannot conduct it.we just need to file and collect taxes > >on these activities. As I pointed out this is additional work and the > >costs and benefits must be weighed. I have requested that this be brought > >to the vote since it was brought up in discussion in January. This has not > >happened. Regards, > >Andrew L > >On Mar 6, 2014 10:32 AM, "Torrie Fischer" wrote: > > > >On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:00:39 a l wrote: > >>> Thanks for the relevant sources and calm voicing of concerns. To this > >>> end: > >>> Just because things require taxing does not mean we cannot conduct them. > >>> We > >>> would just need to weigh the benefits and time involved. > >> > >>As the chief financial officer who is ultimately responsible for > >>maintaining our tax records, I would very much rather not bring about any > >>potential for audits. This is *not worth it* and will require substantial > >>effort to convince me to deal with it, unless someone else wants to > >>doocratically step up and handle any unrelated business income and > >>maintain that for the next few years. The Champions are also welcome to > >>initiate a coup to usurp my position. > >> > >>We lose physical space, I lose more time for non-treasurer things, I'm > >>responsible for even more legal overhead, future treasurers and > >>secretaries > >>will be responsible for maintaining the paper trail for the next few years > >>to prevent audit, etc. > >> > >>And we want volunteers to handle this? I believe I'm ex
Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks
Craig makes a good point. The way I see it all your doing is creating unnecessary drama, let the 6 months ride out. Justin did this whole thing out of good intent, probably caused him more of headache then if he just spent his money at the place it was already at. Issue is already done we don't need to create any more issues after this. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:14 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote: imo a 990-t must be filed either way, (not cashing the checks means nothing with a sublease that has the building owners signature on it (as he will be filin it eitherway)), so why not just run it for 6 months. afaik it's too late to do anything else (legally) without pretending events didn't happen which could get us in real trouble. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM, a l wrote: I'm not sure how you can claim consensus, when as you've pointed out,there hadn't been a vote. >My point was that, as far as I understand, just because activity is taxable >does not mean we cannot conduct it.we just need to file and collect taxes on >these activities. As I pointed out this is additional work and the costs and >benefits must be weighed. >I have requested that this be brought to the vote since it was brought up in >discussion in January. This has not happened. >Regards, >Andrew L >On Mar 6, 2014 10:32 AM, "Torrie Fischer" wrote: > >On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:00:39 a l wrote: >>> Thanks for the relevant sources and calm voicing of concerns. To this end: >>> Just because things require taxing does not mean we cannot conduct them. We >>> would just need to weigh the benefits and time involved. >> >>As the chief financial officer who is ultimately responsible for maintaining >>our tax records, I would very much rather not bring about any potential for >>audits. This is *not worth it* and will require substantial effort to convince >>me to deal with it, unless someone else wants to doocratically step up and >>handle any unrelated business income and maintain that for the next few years. >>The Champions are also welcome to initiate a coup to usurp my position. >> >>We lose physical space, I lose more time for non-treasurer things, I'm >>responsible for even more legal overhead, future treasurers and secretaries >>will be responsible for maintaining the paper trail for the next few years to >>prevent audit, etc. >> >>And we want volunteers to handle this? I believe I'm exceptionally lucky among >>hackerspace treasurers in that I have a flexible situation of office space, >>financial advice, and employment. >> >>Is this $600 worth the pain, including this heated argument that has been >>going on for over a week, tearing us apart, and making us look dysfunctional >>to the whole freaking planet? >> >>I'm confident that the community of SYNHAK has reached consensus: Do not do >>this. >> >>As the Treasurer for SYNHAK, Inc, I wish to inform the board that they may >>disregard their treasurer's advice and concerns at their own risk at the >>upcoming meeting. I am legally obligated by the bylaws to serve the board, >>which I feel I have been doing faithfully and to the best of my abilities. >> >>I think many would agree that I am usually the first to give the benefit of >>the doubt regarding trustworthy actions. As a Member, I wish to inform the >>board that the individuals involved have lost my trust and the trust of many >>others for not having an open discussion about this up front. >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrew L >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2014 9:24 AM, "Justin Herman" wrote: >>> > Also since this has been brought up before... >>> > >>> > ...the following activities are specifically excluded from the definition >>> > >>> > of unrelated trade or business: >>> > - *Volunteer Labor*: Any trade or business is excluded in which >>> > substantially all the work is performed for the organization without >>> > compensation. Some fundraising activities, such as volunteer operated >>> > bake >>> > sales, may meet this exception. *[Bake SALE at the proposed Auction?]* >>> > - *Convenience of Members*: Any trade or business is excluded that is >>> > carried on by an organization described in section 501(c)(3) or by a >>> > governmental college or university primarily for the convenience of its >>> > members, students, patients, officers, or employees. A typical example >>> > of >>> > this is a school cafeteria. *[Selling Arduinos or other consumables in >>> > a vending area?]* >>> > - *Selling Donated Merchandise*: Any trade or business is excluded >>> > that consists of selling merchandise, substantially all of which the >>> > organization received as gifts or contributions. Many thrift shop >>> > operations of exempt organizations would meet this exception. *[All >>> > the donated Computers?]* >>> > >>> > http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Unrela >>> > ted-Business-Income-Tax-Exceptions-and-Exclusions> >>> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo
http://i.imgur.com/DvXWk.gif How about we just discuss this in person. Get some ideas together and draw out a plan. In all honesty we wanted to raise member fees so we can support the space. How about we get more member and create less drama on the discuss thread and meetings. Let's get some things together draw out some plans and discuss this after Tuesday's meeting like grown adults. On Monday, March 3, 2014 2:16 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote: Justin: linking to the collective via vpn has been on my todo list for 6 months now. I'm waiting on a discussion on our ISP. Considering it's available for little to none additional $/mo I would like to have native ipv6 and a dedicated ip for outside vpn connections if for no other reason than to not be teased by the other hackerspaces :) Torrie: Way to much lately people ask for an opinion and if decent is spoken their opinion is immediately dismissed as 'well your just wrong' or 'you just have a problem with everything'. I can't count how many times you have been on each side of these skirmishes lately. imo: Synhak is not a rock, it is a plyable and ever growing entity moving from the combined will of its members, supporters, and anyone else who wants to contribute. When that majority changes flavors, by design, SynHak changes with it. It must sting to not be in the majority on all issue anymore, and I can't fathom how it must feel to see your baby grow up to be a lawyer, but how is anyone qualified to say "you dont get the culture". The culture is what is experienced by everyone while at this hackerspace as it exists today, a culture we all contribute whatever we feel is of value to. Are you proud to contribute yet another attack on a respected part of this culture? One who has bit tounge to gather consensus, and never acted with motives other than to continue moving the space forward after so many times others have "pulled this space over right now" I was not a sponsor of him, but I would be proud if I had. If you don't want a discussion don't ask for one. Perhaps, as you suggest, you should be a lot more careful in the future. I feel i should bath my laptop after seeing such unwarranted unprovoked nastiness. /imo On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 13:24:14 Justin Herman wrote: >> SynHak.org needs to be multiple things. A "playground" maybe should not be >> what we use it for. I don't use the plumbing or electric as a "playground" >> they are infrastructure. They are constructs. > >Oh ok. I'll stop listening then if thats what you think about SYNHAK. No sense >in beating my head against a brick wall any more. You simply don't get the >culture. > >I'm not sure who sponsored your membership, but if it was me, I'm regretting >it. I'll be sure to be a lot more careful in the future. > > >> >> Instead of asking why AWS is the best, I should have asked what are the >> goals? >> >> As far as physical security it had been discussed (for the build working >> group) that security be put in place around the primary infrastructure. You >> mention a javelin and/or beer but what stops someone from doing that right >> now to some of our other precious items (3d printer)? Members. We vet our >> members though our membership process. Non of our members have malicious >> intentions. If they do we have processes in place to remove them. And if >> something catastrophic happens what risk are we at? What could not be >> backed up and re-implemented? Implementing backup procedures would be >> important. We all have tolerated outages in the past. A few days of outage >> for our wiki or spiff is that worth 4 months as a member? We could offsite >> host a semi static page for little to no cost. If 48 summit goes off-line >> no guests would be the wiser. >> >> With regards to migration I suggest virtualization. Pick your flavor: >> Proxmox, Hyper-v, ZEN, ESXi. (I can donate a essentials plus license for >> ESXi if needed) or something else. Then rebuild using git. >> >> I don't love TWC but I see this as turning point. A time to re-evaluate. >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: >> > On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:32:48 Justin Herman wrote: >> > > As far as reimbursement and membership credit I have submitted them. >> > >> > *nod* >> > >> > Its in my backlog. >> > >> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Justin Herman >> > >> > wrote: >> > > > My question is why no other options viable for hosting? >> > > > >> > > > Why MUST we use AWS? Why do we need 99.99 availability for 6 servers? >> > >> > Why >> > >> > > > could we not hybrid the design (like Craig said) and use some local >> > > > hosting >> > > > and some AWS? >> > > > >> > > > Hardware is cheap and easy to come by. Hosting our own allows us to >> > >> > have a >> > >> > > > TON more CPU and RAM and storage. It something like >> > >> > spiff/wiki/fileserver >> > >> > > > due to hardware failure, upgrad
Re: [SH-Discuss] What We Offer Page
After work today I can help out with this. Do we have an Blueprint of the new space, that we can put on there to show the area and what they are used for? On Friday, February 28, 2014 12:10 PM, Justin Herman wrote: Added some. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: According to Google Analytics, the What We Offer page is getting the heaviest >activity today. > >Would anyone else mind helping out by going through and updating it with what >you know we've got? > >https://synhak.org/wiki/What_we_offer >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Speakers Bureau Schedule
I was going to give the Linux one Saturday, but I was told that would not be a good idea due to how busy it will be. So I am going to postpone that when I can get a formal one set up. On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:53 AM, Justin Herman wrote: I would be interested in seeing that! On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:52 AM, alex kot wrote: I am wonder if there is a possibility I can get in a couple of presentations anytime soon? I would like to get in two talks before my presentation at NotACon, April 10th. One would be an overall talk about Linux and the other one would be the same presentation I will give at NotACon (wireless Mesh Protocols). >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Speakers Bureau Schedule
I am wonder if there is a possibility I can get in a couple of presentations anytime soon? I would like to get in two talks before my presentation at NotACon, April 10th. One would be an overall talk about Linux and the other one would be the same presentation I will give at NotACon (wireless Mesh Protocols).___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Opening day festivities
Becca let me know what you plan to get, email me separately. I am planning on giving the presentation at 7 PM. G can you be there to film it? On Friday, February 21, 2014 8:19 PM, Becca Salchak wrote: Any one else want to add to the festivities? I am taking the day off work and arranging for a sitter for most of the day so I will be available all day . Torrie is there any room in the budget for a table cloth or two( plastic of coarse) and a few balloons in SYN/HAK colors from the dollar store? I wasn't at the last opening day what was it like? How many guest did we have? Did you have any presenters through out the day? Is that something we are interested in having? On Friday, February 21, 2014, alex kot wrote: I am thinking about starting opening day with a speakers bureau presentation on Linux. I know many people ask me to do this. It will probably be 1 hour speech broken into two parts. It will be kind of beginners and explain more of the science behind it. I will keep you update on the topic. > > > >On Friday, February 21, 2014 5:03 PM, Becca Salchak >wrote: > >I was planning on making Cupcakes but I didn't know If we had an estimate of >how many people we expect > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -- Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com peace and love ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
I just bought a group pass. I currently have one extra ticket if anyone wants it for $65? On Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:22 AM, gs volt wrote: I might be volunteering one day at notacon - haven't decided which day yet, as I decide, will let you all know On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Justin Herman wrote: I would be up for a group pass. > > > >On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:30 PM, alex kot wrote: > >Me and Andy got a room. I haven't bought my pass yet, does anyone want to do >a group pass? Also anyone one going vote for me as a presenter at >vote.notacon.org ! >> >> >> >>On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:21 AM, Andrew Buczko >> wrote: >> >>I volunteered so I will be there this year :) >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:13 PM, alex kot wrote: >> >>Friday and Saturdays (11th & 12th) are the days that everything happens. The >>other two days are more of fillers. >>> >>> >>> >>>On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM, gs volt wrote: >>> >>>I used to go frequently and it was awesome. >>>This year I will try to at least catch one day out of the three, I'll see >>>which day though. >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM, alex kot wrote: >>> >>>Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April >>>10th - 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going >>>with me? They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look >>>into getting a room at the Marriott it is located in. >>>>___ >>>>Discuss mailing list >>>>Discuss@synhak.org >>>>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 >>> >>> >>>I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit >>>St Akron Ohio 44308 >>>I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf >>>of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree >>>Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 >>>I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other >>>businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage >>>Lakes, Ohio >>>Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Discuss mailing list >>>Discuss@synhak.org >>>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> >> >>___ >>Discuss mailing list >>Discuss@synhak.org >>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Opening day festivities
I am thinking about starting opening day with a speakers bureau presentation on Linux. I know many people ask me to do this. It will probably be 1 hour speech broken into two parts. It will be kind of beginners and explain more of the science behind it. I will keep you update on the topic. On Friday, February 21, 2014 5:03 PM, Becca Salchak wrote: I was planning on making Cupcakes but I didn't know If we had an estimate of how many people we expect ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK, the Hacker Space
As a somewhat newer member, I find Syn/Hak to be a community not a corporation. I find the concept of it being an open source hackerspace is a great thing. The foundation of open source is to share and collaborate. I find education is an important part of a community. Not everyone is an expert in every field, why having a diverse group to share knowledge is part of the concept. Of course there is going to be disagreements on what people think, it is human nature. As the person who sparked the idea of this place, I believe you an extreme value to this place. Sincerely, Alex Kot On Friday, February 21, 2014 7:07 PM, a l wrote: I'm on my phone so I'll be briefer than is warranted for the topic. Regarding the sublease of space to a member. I was under the impression that this activity had been discussed and mentioned in the list a few times. I don't recall any intentional hiding of this arrangement. I thought, perhaps erroniously, that this had been brought up as a proposal. I agree with parts and disagree with others but I'm glad you brought it up; I'm sure if one person gets an impression others have it as well. Regards, Andrew L On Feb 21, 2014 6:03 PM, "Torrie Fischer" wrote: Hi, hakkers. > >This is something thats been bothering me for some time, so I want to discuss >it with everyone. This is a mail that I've edited and re-edited over the last >few months, so it isn't in response to recent bizops@ discussion. > >I'm not happy with SYNHAK's image and our interpersonal communication. > >I feel that some members of the community are trying to treat SYNHAK as a >faceless corporation that caters to people who pay dues. I often hear of >strong delineations between Members and non-members, where Members have first >pickings for certain things or other rights that are not given to non-Members. >Over the weekend, I saw someone say "SYNHAK is starting an ISP!". SYNHAK, Inc >has a handful of tax exempt accounts at various local establishments with no >clear rules on how to use them. We're sacrificing hacking space to one person >through a real lease, with legalese and everything. I can't count how many >times I've heard the phrase "SYNHAK is going to do X" as if it were some >official statement that everyone is obliged to follow. > >My last full day of Champion is 6 days away, on February 27th. I'm not running >for the Board or re-running for Champion. I'm not doing those because I want >to finally step back and enjoy the fruits of my labor as a member. I'm lately >finding it hard to enjoy, as I feel that the collaborative culture of SYNHAK >is being slowly eroded away in favor of behind-the-back communication >channels, assumptions that others who disagree with you are acting in bad >faith, and "Professionalism". > >To me, SYNHAK is a community that wants to build a space for hackers. As part >of that mission, there is a limited infrastructure that is used by the >community to collect rent, pay bills, and protect that limited infrastructure >against legal hassles. It isn't a machine shop, a computer lab, an event >space, a datacenter, a warehouse, a garage, a classroom, or even a kitchen. 48 >S. Summit has those features. 48 S. Summit is a side effect of SYNHAK that is >a result of that limited infrastructure's mission to provide a space for >hackers to accomplish what they want to accomplish. > >48 S. Summit isn't SYNHAK. It is our community's largest group project that >many of us are working on in whatever ways we think are the most helpful way >to carve out a space for hackers like ourselves. The electronics lab isn't >SYNHAK, Inc.'s electronics lab. It is a tool that the community we have come >to call "SYNHAK" can use and in exchange maintains. Much of it is on loan from >members, some of it is even owned by the limited infrastructure set forth in >our bylaws and incorporation document filed with the State of Ohio. The same >can be said about our kitchen, data center, etc, etc. If someone wants to run >an educational program out of 48 S. Summit, they are more than welcome to. >SYNHAK, Inc does not and *should not* run educational programs. I do not want >anyone to feel obligated to contribute to running an educational program. The >global community of hackers or a subset thereof are welcome to use SYNHAK to >run an educational program in the City of Akron, but that is their own >endeavor. > >I live outside mainstream culture. The world is full of interesting problems >to be solved. Attitude is no substitute for competence. Freedom is good; I >have an instinctive hostility towards censorship, secrecy, and the use of >deception to compel others. I'm always willin
Re: [SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
Me and Andy got a room. I haven't bought my pass yet, does anyone want to do a group pass? Also anyone one going vote for me as a presenter at vote.notacon.org ! On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:21 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote: I volunteered so I will be there this year :) On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:13 PM, alex kot wrote: Friday and Saturdays (11th & 12th) are the days that everything happens. The other two days are more of fillers. > > > >On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM, gs volt wrote: > >I used to go frequently and it was awesome. >This year I will try to at least catch one day out of the three, I'll see >which day though. > > > >On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM, alex kot wrote: > >Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April 10th >- 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going with me? >They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look into getting >a room at the Marriott it is located in. >>___ >>Discuss mailing list >>Discuss@synhak.org >>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > >-- > >G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 > > >I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit >St Akron Ohio 44308 >I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of >Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, >Cleveland, Ohio 44131 >I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses >may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio >Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog > > > > > > > > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
I can show up around 3ish. I stated earlier in this thread if we could push the date/time around. -- On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:47 PM EST Chris Egeland wrote: >Where is everyone? It's just Jimmy, Torrie and I down here. > >Chris > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:38, Omar Rassi wrote: >> >> Lets not forget that even if we design the best and fastest network, what >> keeps people is the customer service and support provided. How will the city >> handle that aspect of being an ISP? Would the city contract with a third >> party or hire their own service techs and phone support department? What >> should the ratio of support staff to subscribers look like? This is a >> question bound to come up at some point. >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Buczko >> wrote: >> All we need are some speakers, mics, VOIP, and two cans and a string :) >> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM, dave walton wrote: >>> That pricing is waaay sweet! >>> >>> You will need to use BGP routing to allow the same IP addresses to be >>> shared by your various internet providers. It lets the end-user keep the >>> same routable IP Address if one of your internet providers goes down. They >>> won't even know. It's not too difficult to setup and help is easy to come >>> by. You will need to buy a block of IP addresses from ARIN >>> (https://www.arin.net). Trying to get by using non-routable IP addresses >>> (internal NAT) is a headache. >>> >>> Don't underestimate the local loop price. It can exceed the cost of >>> throughput. But hey, it's been a while so maybe that's cheaper too by now. >>> With any luck you can find a building already wired for fiber by Level 3 in >>> your area. Put your operation there to start and you are golden. In the >>> past I've actually rented closets and put racks in them. May not be pretty, >>> but it can work. Make sure you have access to an outside window. >>> >>> If you can talk someone into peering with you, then go for it. Never know >>> until you ask :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Torrie Fischer >>> wrote: >>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 11:03:09 alex kot wrote: >>> > Prices are about the same, though for $4,700 a month you can get an >>> > unmanaged Gigabit. With a decentralized approach you can drop in >>> > different >>> > backbone Tier 1 internet from various providers. >>> > >>> > http://diapricing.level3.com/?utm_source=Landing%2bPage&utm_medium=Banner&ut >>> > m_campaign=22513%2b%22Check%2bAvail%22 >>> >>> Why not just peer with someone? >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Friday, February 14, 2014 1:53 PM, dave walton >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > FYI - it's been a couple years, but the last time I got quotes for >>> > higher-end throughput I was looking at ~ $10,000 per month for a gigabit >>> > connection. 100Mb was ~ $1500. That was through Level 3 and did not >>> > include >>> > the fiber loop or routers. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Torrie Fischer >>> > >>> > wrote: >>> > On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:27:05 Justin Herman wrote: >>> > > That would be GREAT. I hope it dosen't turn out like the Akron Wifi :( >>> > > >>> > >My understanding is that ConnectAkron failed because of intense >>> > >mismanagement. Interestingly enough, it was the same company that wanted >>> > >to sell us fiber internet for $arm+$leg. >>> > > >>> > >http://www.ohio.com/news/local/bob-dyer-failure-of-connect-akron-was-predic >>> > >table-expert-says-1.440304> >>> > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer >>> > > >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > Last night Chris, Omar, and I went to Lockview for drinks wherein the >>> > > > topic of >>> > > > the recent comcast/time warner deal came up. >>> > > > >>> > > > Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK >>> > > > to >>> > > > start organizing a plan to be present
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
A lot of reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network Mainly if this idea ever scales, so other Municipals wants to be part of it, the cost will be a lot cheaper and will deal with a lot less headaches. On Friday, February 14, 2014 2:10 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2014 11:03:09 alex kot wrote: > Prices are about the same, though for $4,700 a month you can get an > unmanaged Gigabit. With a decentralized approach you can drop in different > backbone Tier 1 internet from various providers. > > http://diapricing.level3.com/?utm_source=Landing%2bPage&utm_medium=Banner&ut > m_campaign=22513%2b%22Check%2bAvail%22 Why not just peer with someone? > > > > > On Friday, February 14, 2014 1:53 PM, dave walton > wrote: > > FYI - it's been a couple years, but the last time I got quotes for > higher-end throughput I was looking at ~ $10,000 per month for a gigabit > connection. 100Mb was ~ $1500. That was through Level 3 and did not include > the fiber loop or routers. > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Torrie Fischer > wrote: > On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:27:05 Justin Herman wrote: > >> That would be GREAT. I hope it dosen't turn out like the Akron Wifi :( > > > >My understanding is that ConnectAkron failed because of intense > >mismanagement. Interestingly enough, it was the same company that wanted > >to sell us fiber internet for $arm+$leg. > > > >http://www.ohio.com/news/local/bob-dyer-failure-of-connect-akron-was-predic > >table-expert-says-1.440304> > >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer > >> > >> wrote: > >> > Last night Chris, Omar, and I went to Lockview for drinks wherein the > >> > topic of > >> > the recent comcast/time warner deal came up. > >> > > >> > Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK > >> > to > >> > start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for > >> > creating > >> > a > >> > munincipal ISP. > >> > ___ > >> > Discuss mailing list > >> > Discuss@synhak.org > >> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >___ > >Discuss mailing list > >Discuss@synhak.org > >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
Prices are about the same, though for $4,700 a month you can get an unmanaged Gigabit. With a decentralized approach you can drop in different backbone Tier 1 internet from various providers. http://diapricing.level3.com/?utm_source=Landing%2bPage&utm_medium=Banner&utm_campaign=22513%2b%22Check%2bAvail%22 On Friday, February 14, 2014 1:53 PM, dave walton wrote: FYI - it's been a couple years, but the last time I got quotes for higher-end throughput I was looking at ~ $10,000 per month for a gigabit connection. 100Mb was ~ $1500. That was through Level 3 and did not include the fiber loop or routers. On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:27:05 Justin Herman wrote: >> That would be GREAT. I hope it dosen't turn out like the Akron Wifi :( > >My understanding is that ConnectAkron failed because of intense mismanagement. >Interestingly enough, it was the same company that wanted to sell us fiber >internet for $arm+$leg. > >http://www.ohio.com/news/local/bob-dyer-failure-of-connect-akron-was-predictable-expert-says-1.440304 > > >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer >> >> wrote: >> > Last night Chris, Omar, and I went to Lockview for drinks wherein the >> > topic of >> > the recent comcast/time warner deal came up. >> > >> > Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK to >> > start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for creating >> > a >> > munincipal ISP. >> > ___ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > Discuss@synhak.org >> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
Torrie you are probably correct about intense mismanagement, though the project started in 2008 most wireless mesh standards were not fully developed then, even OLSR was a baby at that time. "That grandiose plan soon was scaled back to 12 square miles, but the system never worked decently even in its tiny 3.5-acre core downtown." That quote makes me think even if they had all the money in the world, this still wouldn't work due to poor routing methods. Also I have a bunch of Gateworks Boards and Mini-PCI radios that I can easily create a proof of concept on how scalable you can get just with 802.11a devices. All I need is a playground a some additional equipment. On Friday, February 14, 2014 12:21 PM, Ricky Elrod wrote: On 02/14/2014 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: > Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK to > start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for creating a > munincipal ISP. I will try to be there. -Ricky ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
Can you push it till later on Saturday, like 5 PM? Also after open house I wouldn't mind doing a Speakers Bureau presentation. I applied for NotACon on this topic two days ago, this would be a good demo before then (if I get in). On Friday, February 14, 2014 11:26 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2014 08:11:16 alex kot wrote: > Not sure why you guys haven't brought this up to me for discussion. I haven > been Beta testing a decentralized wireless mesh protocol at an apartment > complex. I gave a speech about this method at Akron Linux User Group > (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jMp3LdAZGsq6h2qNW2FN13sca_abUO1V_f > Qw4w7KRU4). I also have a youtube video of this protocol > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_MAqxVPTs) Because it was started last night, and this thread is a call for participation wherein it is brought up to interested parties for discussion. > > Also been preaching to many people on how having a City/State wide network > can help fight against Net Neutrality from private monopolization, since > the federal doesn't care anymore. > > > > > On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:29 AM, Justin Herman > wrote: > > That would be GREAT. I hope it dosen't turn out like the Akron Wifi :( > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer > wrote: > > Last night Chris, Omar, and I went to Lockview for drinks wherein the topic > of > >the recent comcast/time warner deal came up. > > > >Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK to > >start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for creating > >a munincipal ISP. > >___ > >Discuss mailing list > >Discuss@synhak.org > >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
Not sure why you guys haven't brought this up to me for discussion. I haven been Beta testing a decentralized wireless mesh protocol at an apartment complex. I gave a speech about this method at Akron Linux User Group (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jMp3LdAZGsq6h2qNW2FN13sca_abUO1V_fQw4w7KRU4). I also have a youtube video of this protocol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_MAqxVPTs) Also been preaching to many people on how having a City/State wide network can help fight against Net Neutrality from private monopolization, since the federal doesn't care anymore. On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:29 AM, Justin Herman wrote: That would be GREAT. I hope it dosen't turn out like the Akron Wifi :( On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Last night Chris, Omar, and I went to Lockview for drinks wherein the topic of >the recent comcast/time warner deal came up. > >Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK to >start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for creating a >munincipal ISP. >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Call for Nominations and Elections Reminder
I second Andy and Devin for board. On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:44 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 13:34:55 Chris Egeland wrote: > Hello Hackers, > > As you may be aware, elections are just a couple of short weeks away. > We will hold elections immediately following our regular Tuesday meeting > on February 25, 2014. The last day to nominate someone is February > 18th, 2014. > I'd like to nominate the following: * Andrew Buczko for board * Matt Stringer for board > We currently need people to be nominated (either by self nomination, or > through a third party), to the following positions: > > Secretary (1 position available, 1 total), Sysadmin (1 position > available, 1 total), Board Member (4 positions available, 5 total) > > Keep in mind, all members in good standing are welcome to run for > officer or board positions. Just because there are nominations for a > position already doesn't mean that you can't nominate yourself or > someone else to that position. Feel free to step up to the plate for > whichever position you would like. > > As of this morning, I have evidence that the following nominations have > been put forward: > > Chris Egeland - Champion > Omar Rassi - Champion > Craig Bergdorf - Treasurer > Craig Bergdorf - Board Member > > If I am missing any nominations that have occurred, please inform me so > I may rectify this. If you wish to nominate yourself for any position, > please do so quickly. Again, the last day to nominate someone is > February 18th, 2014. > > For reference, the people elected in last year's election for officer > and board positions have been as follows: > > Board: Andrew Leitholf, Dan Swick, Gaurav Saxena, Devin Wolfe, Alexander > Golightley > Champions: Chris Egeland, Torrie Fischer > Treasurer: Alexander Golightley > Secretary: Andrew Leitholf > Sysadmin: Chris Egeland > > (Election Results thread on list archives: > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-February/000716.html ) > > If anyone has any questions about nominations, please feel free to ask. > > Regards, > Chris Egeland > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Board member and officer nominations.
I Fifth This. On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 7:32 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote: I third that nomination On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Michael Griesacker wrote: I second that nomination >On Feb 12, 2014 6:22 AM, "degerov...@yahoo.com" wrote: > >I hereby nominate Craig Bergdorf for Board member. Anyone else who seconds >this opinion please do so in this thread or at the next meeting to allow for >proper record keeping. >>Devin Wolfe. >> >>___ >>Discuss mailing list >>Discuss@synhak.org >>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] (no subject)
Take your time buddy I am here. -- On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:23 PM EST Becca Salchak wrote: >Ok >On Feb 4, 2014 5:21 PM, "Craig Bergdorf" wrote: > >> I should be in about 30 mins >> On Feb 4, 2014 4:34 PM, "Becca Salchak" wrote: >> >> Is anyone down at the space yet >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.
If the range can't go outside, then he put the antenna outside he is going to come across the same issue for indoor use. Also I am not sure why everyone gets the assumption Wireless N has better range. The range is dealt with the amplification of the radio, which Generally most SOHO/consumer wireless G routers have better range then N since it wasn't as harshly regulated. You get access with more channels per radio with N, but that doesn't really give you any wider range. I can go over more details if you want at today's meeting. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:05 PM, Omar Rassi wrote: Also, I tend to go overboard sometimes, best to choose the simplest solution that works, than to plan for every conceivable point of failure. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Omar Rassi wrote: Alex, > > >Yea that's why I linked outdoor antennas for Martin as an option to use with >less expensive routers, dual band is good if there are 5Ghz devices inside the >house so they don't place traffic on the 2.4Ghz band for devices outside the >house, IF... hopefully Martin's RasPi is connected via 802.11n for better >range than the "g" standard. > > > >On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, alex kot wrote: > > >>Chris, >>I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill. That or just >>screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free. >> >>Omar, >>Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all. Having dual band >>doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range. Probably your best >>bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use WDS for >>repeat mode. Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters" they kind of >>go against IEEE/ip standards. >> >> >> >>-- >> >>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote: >> >>>Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the yard? >>>I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet >>>beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick >>>walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick walls >>>an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants. >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer >>>wrote: >>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote: >>>> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have. You >>>> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent >>>> > it for something like $5/mo. >>>> >>>> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo. >>>> >>>> I bought this and have never had any issues with it: >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/ >>>> >>>> > >>>> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of >>>> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong. >>>> > >>>> > Chris >>>> > >>>> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote: >>>> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and >>>> > > then charge you if you need a router. If you need a modem any DOCSIS >>>> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real >>>> > > cheap on craigslist. As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 >>>> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on >>>> > > your wireless equipment. >>>> > > >>>> > > Here is a decent modem >>>> > > <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825124006> and >>>> this >>>> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service. >>>> > > < >>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr >>>> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. >>>> > > < >>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001 >>>> > > >>>> 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&am
Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.
Chris, I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill. That or just screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free. Omar, Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all. Having dual band doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range. Probably your best bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use WDS for repeat mode. Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters" they kind of go against IEEE/ip standards. -- On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote: >Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the yard? >I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet >beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick >walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick walls >an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants. > > >On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: > >> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote: >> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have. You >> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent >> > it for something like $5/mo. >> >> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo. >> >> I bought this and have never had any issues with it: >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/ >> >> > >> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of >> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong. >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote: >> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and >> > > then charge you if you need a router. If you need a modem any DOCSIS >> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real >> > > cheap on craigslist. As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 >> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi >> > > wrote: >> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on >> > > your wireless equipment. >> > > >> > > Here is a decent modem >> > > <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825124006> and >> this >> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service. >> > > < >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr >> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. >> > > < >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001 >> > > >> 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3 >> > > >> 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3 >> > > >> 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A >> > > >> %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A >> > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they >> support >> > > dual band >> > > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas >> > > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind >> > > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your >> > > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range >> > > limits <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Range> and possible sources >> > > of interference <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1365> (another list of >> > > interference sources >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference_at_2.4_GHz >> >, >> > > and >> > > another <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Interference>) when >> > > planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their >> > > signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate >> > > through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option >> > > could be to get an external outdoor antenna >> > > < >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100010072%204 >> > > >> 342&IsNodeId=1&Description=outdoor%20antenna&name=Wireless%2
Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.
Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and then charge you if you need a router. If you need a modem any DOCSIS 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real cheap on craigslist. As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 only $40 and gives you a rock solid router. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi wrote: with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on your wireless equipment. Here is a decent modem and this is the same one I have for my TWC service. Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. I selected these model routers because they support dual band capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range limits and possible sources of interference (another list of interference sources, and another) when planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option could be to get an external outdoor antenna that can replace connect to the router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage. Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to anticipate and troubleshoot. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson wrote: I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router / WiFi device. Especially if you need the range. >On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston" wrote: > >I am looking to get TW cable service. >>On their website they list comparable modems and routers. >>I am going for the $15. per month package. >>I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or staples, but can't >>seem to locate one. >>What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements. >>The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi sending video from >>it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my laptop. >>My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle. >>And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router. >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Martin Pinkston >>___ >>Discuss mailing list >>Discuss@synhak.org >>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
Friday and Saturdays (11th & 12th) are the days that everything happens. The other two days are more of fillers. On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM, gs volt wrote: I used to go frequently and it was awesome. This year I will try to at least catch one day out of the three, I'll see which day though. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM, alex kot wrote: Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April 10th - 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going with me? They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look into getting a room at the Marriott it is located in. >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April 10th - 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going with me? They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look into getting a room at the Marriott it is located in.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Secure your IoT folks .. first IoT attack surfaces
I would be more worried about 0 day attacks on windows XP computers after April 8th and all the backdoors that currently in most SOHO (Small office / Home Office) routers. On Monday, January 20, 2014 2:25 PM, gs volt wrote: http://investors.proofpoint.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=819799 Woops .. this is the right link. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:24 PM, gs volt wrote: http://investors.proofpoint.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=811622 > > >-- > >G -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 21 W North St, Akron, Ohio 44304 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New Years Eve!
I am also game, you need me to bring anything like snanks/food? On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:01 PM, Bethany Munyan wrote: Hello all! I just wanted to remind everyone that tonight Steve, Becca, Craig and I will be hanging out at the space tonight to bring in the new year. You are all more than welcome to come! If I don't see you tonight, see you next year!!! -Beth ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] This Saturday's shop time.
I plan on being there this Saturday during open hours. I am going to test out a Samba server to see if can create a SSO server that we can possible use for the new space. Feel free to stop in during the open hours. On Friday, December 27, 2013 11:33 AM, Martin Pinkston wrote: The shop host scheduled for this Saturday's Synhak time is out of town and will not be able to attend. I am new and was wondering if the shop is going to be open anyway tomorrow? I would like to pay a visit and I have a couple of start up issues with my RPi that someone could maybe help with. Thanks, Martin -- Take Care and Have Fun Always. Martin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Want to visit Dec 27 or Dec 28
Hello Hannah, Someone will be there Saturday from 1PM-6PM during open hours. You can also view the website for a live webcam and check the open status; in case someone comes in during non open hours. Our open hours and live webcam is listed at SynHak.org On Friday, December 27, 2013 9:49 AM, Hannah Smeller wrote: My name is Hannah Smeller. I am a student at the U of A. My Dad is coming into town from San Antonio. He is a member of the hackerspace there called 10BitWorks. He asked me to plan a meet-up with you guys. Please let me know when you might be open either on the 27th Fri or the 28th Sat. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] sunday open hours up for grabs
I will be there in 15 mins. On Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:32 AM, Omar Rassi wrote: Space phone will not work at the moment, power shut off at the space momentarily, the PBX server power button doesn't seem to be connected, I push it, nothing happens, I checked the power cable and yes it is plugged in. Craig, when I'm in the space next, may I open the PBX box to ensure the front panel header is secured in place? On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:20 AM, wrote: I will be at the space tomorrow, If the door is locked and my car is there please call the space phone (330) 597 5002. I may have to close the space for a bit to run to the hardware store, but I can stay during open hours and maybe alittle after. > >Thanks, >Devin. > > > > > > > > From: Craig Bergdorf >To: SYN/HAK discussion list >Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:53 AM >Subject: [SH-Discuss] sunday open hours up for grabs > > > >*this is me canceling my open hours tomorrow - no need to read further* > >i know, i am terrible, but i am kind of sick (i'll be seeking antibiotics >Monday), and for some reason i thought (after a few beers) that a box of wine >would help my throat, anyway, atm: it's all veruca salt (I hope there is >someone my age that can feel) and angst healthily directed at car work, with >no sobriety in sight. (yes i know i should prolly just lie) > >anyway, tonight's project is 'fix my car' and although i've gotten a ride to >the space for hours in the past when car troubles came up, i need the time to >get a ride to summit to get parts, tomorrow is the last day of not-winter, and >if I want to have a functioning car (after leaving additional parts in akron >(your welcome) other than the greddy laying in the server room), I really must >give this last warm day to the car. > >anyway, "i'm a bad man, but I do what I can". (cant stop listening to this >stuff - oh the memories) > >also, i was there at 7am this morning with what will be my first project in >the new space aftre all the needs are handled, an industrial marquee i've been >messing with on and off for 2 years now for a customer-ish pal, after building >control hardware and writing software the project is now done and he gave me a >leftover sign, I'de like to weatherproof it and put it outside so say things >like "balls" and "Holiday hours: __ to __" > > >executive summary: >idk if I can be there at noon tomorrow, but if I can i will. I agree with >beth that an announcement on discuss is required (regardless of current >state). > ><3 >Craig > > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] laptops sellable?
Craig laptop is all yours, unless anyone has any objection. Also I tested out the phone system Tuesday and it works great! -- On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 2:20 PM EST Omar Rassi wrote: >So then stop discussing it. > > >On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: > >> As an outsider and non-member, the idea and/or practice of SYNHAK selling >> donated items to members is a not a good idea. >> >> I suspect it will result in bruised egos, frustration and disappointment >> by other members, anger and confusion by non-members, and a very sticky >> situation for SH as a non-profit org selling stuff for USD, even if marked >> as "donation". >> >> If Craig wants/needs/covets a donated/used/non-functioning laptop, then I >> say just give it to him. No lengthy discussion is necessary. >> >> PPP >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Omar Rassi wrote: >> >> No issues from me. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Justin Herman wrote: >> >>> agreed! >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, alex kot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Didn't Craig dump a bunch of his personal money/time into the current >>> phone system for the space? It is the season for giving. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:49 PM EST Omar Rassi wrote: >>> >>> >I agree, and it appears debate is still out on what sort of plan >>> should be >>> >set. >>> > >>> >I should have been more specific in my last email, I'm speaking about >>> this >>> >particular set of donated equipment. >>> > >>> > >>> >On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Justin Herman >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > IMO I would say a 20$ donation is fair. Because other computers >>> grown legs >>> > does not mean that a plan and prescience should not be set. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Omar Rassi >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Devin, that laptop is in the storage room. >>> > >>> > Craig, I've tried to get consensus on what to do with the remaining >>> > equipment so that they aren't locked in limbo. I went to the space >>> > yesterday and noticed that two desktop computers are simply gone. In >>> my >>> > opinion, at this point, I don't think its fair to say that you have >>> to buy >>> > the machines from the Space when already a laptop and now two >>> desktops have >>> > made their way into personal hands. If anyone disagrees with this >>> logic, >>> > please say so and lets get a final consensus on what to do with this >>> > equipment. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM, wrote: >>> > >>> >> Would the think pad marked "devins do not hack please fix" work for >>> you? >>> >> Omar had it somewhere in the perkins room area. Take a look and let >>> me know. >>> >> >>> >> Devin >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> *From:* Craig Bergdorf >>> >> *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list >>> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:05 PM >>> >> *Subject:* [SH-Discuss] laptops sellable? >>> >> >>> >> I could use a c2d-ish computer to be turned into a touchscreen >>> kiosk, >>> >> sold, and delivered tomorrow morning. Although it isn't much, it >>> is still >>> >> for my personal financial gain. One of the laptops from the stack >>> would be >>> >> perfect, because the value of a 6 year old laptop with a broken >>> keyboard, >>> >> LCD, no hard drive, power supply, or battery isn’t particularly >>> high, and I >>> >> don’t need any of that stuff anyway. >>> >> >>> >> They seem to be worth about $20 stripped, $50 complete and $100 >>> running >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenova-T61-Laptop-Notebook-For-Parts-Not-Working-IBM-512MB-Ram-Wifi-A-G-N-/221338454794?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3388cccb0a >>> >> >>> >> >&
Re: [SH-Discuss] laptops sellable?
Didn't Craig dump a bunch of his personal money/time into the current phone system for the space? It is the season for giving. -- On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:49 PM EST Omar Rassi wrote: >I agree, and it appears debate is still out on what sort of plan should be >set. > >I should have been more specific in my last email, I'm speaking about this >particular set of donated equipment. > > >On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Justin Herman wrote: > >> IMO I would say a 20$ donation is fair. Because other computers grown legs >> does not mean that a plan and prescience should not be set. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Omar Rassi wrote: >> >> Devin, that laptop is in the storage room. >> >> Craig, I've tried to get consensus on what to do with the remaining >> equipment so that they aren't locked in limbo. I went to the space >> yesterday and noticed that two desktop computers are simply gone. In my >> opinion, at this point, I don't think its fair to say that you have to buy >> the machines from the Space when already a laptop and now two desktops have >> made their way into personal hands. If anyone disagrees with this logic, >> please say so and lets get a final consensus on what to do with this >> equipment. >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM, wrote: >> >>> Would the think pad marked "devins do not hack please fix" work for you? >>> Omar had it somewhere in the perkins room area. Take a look and let me know. >>> >>> Devin >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* Craig Bergdorf >>> *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:05 PM >>> *Subject:* [SH-Discuss] laptops sellable? >>> >>> I could use a c2d-ish computer to be turned into a touchscreen kiosk, >>> sold, and delivered tomorrow morning. Although it isn't much, it is still >>> for my personal financial gain. One of the laptops from the stack would be >>> perfect, because the value of a 6 year old laptop with a broken keyboard, >>> LCD, no hard drive, power supply, or battery isn’t particularly high, and I >>> don’t need any of that stuff anyway. >>> >>> They seem to be worth about $20 stripped, $50 complete and $100 running >>> >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenova-T61-Laptop-Notebook-For-Parts-Not-Working-IBM-512MB-Ram-Wifi-A-G-N-/221338454794?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3388cccb0a >>> >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T61-Core-2-Duo-2-0Ghz-Laptop-For-Parts-or-Repair-/121233587615?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item1c3a15bd9f >>> >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T61-14-1-Laptop-T7500-2-2Ghz-2GB-RAM-120GB-HD-1440x900-/141142309631?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item20dcbcbaff >>> >>> The one I’m after is one of the T61s with a key missing, no palm rest, >>> hd, or batt, 1g ram, missing screws, cracked case, really the worst >>> physically I could find in the litter that functions. >>> >>> Can it be sold? To me? Tonight? >>> >>> Alternatively, anyone have most of a core2duo desktop there looking to >>> sell? >>> >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2013-12-10
I agree with this though we would need more maintainers. Having one or two
people have to vote on what to do with donations is kind of limited. In all
honesty when something gets dropped off we should take a picture of it and
email it to memb...@synhak.org to discuss what to do with it. We should get a
proposal together for the next meeting.
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:30 AM, Justin Herman
wrote:
I 2nd the idea Omar has presented. It seems fair and allows the space to meet
its needs so it can complete its mission.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Omar Rassi wrote:
I couldn't be at the meeting due to a school event with my daughter, my
thoughts on a donation process:
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>
>A quick self-help form for donations should be filled out when dropping off
>materials. It should ask things like
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>* Would you like a receipt for tax purposes?
>** If yes, send email to treasurer/secretary/appropriate maintainer with
>contact info
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>* Is there an intended purpose for this donation or is it a free for all?
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>* Would you like more info about Synhak and what we do?
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>* Legal Disclaimer about what donating means, i.e. you lose property rights to
>the materials donated, it becomes property of Synhak Inc. or public domain. It
>may be reduced reused recycled blown up for laughs, etc."
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>
>IF the donation is being given specifically to Synhak Inc. then it should be
>off-limits to everyone (member and non-member alike) for a finite reasonable
>period of time, (48 hours? 1 Week?) until the appropriate maintainer (i.e.
>Devin for workshop related materials, Alex or Craig for computers, Chris or
>Craig for server/networking) can look at it and determine if its salvageable,
>can be integrated in the infrastructure available to everyone, or if there is
>just too much excess of that type be sold to help close gaps in the budget.
>Once the time period elapses or the maintainer has sorted through the
>donation, its released for everyone (member and non-member alike). If we just
>leave everything that makes its way to space in an open bin, it will quickly
>become a free for all mad dash to see who can get to it first.
>
>
>This doesn't require a change in powers (the maintainer is doing what they
>said they would do, maintain), its a fair process that doesn't single any one
>group out. It addresses the needs of both the infrastructure and the general
>public. Too many times I've seen people pull money out their own pockets to
>pay for heating fuel at the space, a trunk line for the PBX system, consumable
>materials, etc. There is enough stuff that makes its way to Synhak now that we
>can both get raw material for projects and give Synhak Inc. extra petty cash
>to use things that benefit everybody. It would be nice to if Synhak could sell
>the processor out of the water damaged IBM (provided it works) for $30, BAM!
>Thats a new roll of filament for the 3D printer, or take half of the working
>notebooks and BAM! $300 for heating fuel, wood, fixing the welder, PBX trunk
>line or a used managed switch so we can create VLANs, half of the remaining
>can replace old infrastructure like the
12 year old computers still chugging along trying to keep up, or the 7 year
old 3D printer computer trying to keep up with 3D slicing and design. Things
that benefit everyone. Or maybe, just maybe, put that into a moving fund for
getting into a larger space like we've been talking about doing. Space is
cluttered and we need money for a bigger place? Why not craigslist some stuff
instead of junking it away! I wanted to do that, I was trying to make that
happen for us as part of the do-acracy, it seems as though I just ended up
pissing off everyone around me with good intentions. Those are my two cents, I
don't really care if anyone reads this or not or takes it seriously. You guys
know where to find me if I'm needed.
>
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>
>On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Phong wrote:
>
>Howdy, hakkers!
>>
>>I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2013-12-10 and that the minutes are
>>posted. They are visible on the web at
>>https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-12-10. I've also included them in this
>>mail for reading at your leisure:
>>
>>{{Infobox_meeting
>>|time=7PM
>>|date=2013-12-10
>>|venue=21 West North
>>|next=Meetings/2013-12-17
>>|previous=Meetings/2013-12-3
>>}}
>>
>>
>>
>>= Agenda =
>>
>>* '''Note Taker:''' Steve R.
>>* '''Moderator:''' Devin Wolfe
>>
>>== Introduction and Names ==
>>
>>* Mike - Tech support
>>* Lee - Got EE from UofA
>>* Becca - Makes cakes
>>* Jimmy - Not a member, brother and dad told him about SYNHAK
>>* Garrett - make steam punk stuff
>>* Philip - Starting second project, a rear wheel bike rack
>>* Andy - Mine bitcoins
>>* Craig - Make phones
>>* Torrie - Start selling robots
>>* Steve - taking notes
>>* Devin - build toy boxes/bench combo
>>
>>
>>== Announcements ==
>>
>>
>>* Andy - Made a new fundraising box
>>** Devin - Add labels for sepcific donations
Re: [SH-Discuss] angie's list
This is the one I go too, I highly recommend her. She keeps up consistently with the current technology and also cares a lot about her patients. http://www.sundheimerdentistry.com/ On Monday, December 2, 2013 10:37 AM, Steve Radonich IV wrote: This is who I go to been going for years --- Original Message --- From: "Torrie Fischer" Sent: December 2, 2013 10:35 AM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] angie's list Maybe I'm crazy, but didn't someone at SYNHAK have a subscription to Angie's List? I'm looking for a good local dentist so I can go through the motions of being a grownup and taking care of her own teeth. I also have a cavity now. And dental insurance for the next one. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is now 501(c)3
Champagne for Tuesday meeting? http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef01675f980093970b-800wi.jpg On Sunday, December 1, 2013 10:23 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Just got home and checked the mail. This big letter from the IRS says we're legit 501(c)3. Finally. I'll bring it with me to the space tomorrow for the secretary to file away in a safe spot. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Offtopic List?
Great idea Torrie, I think this is very needed. You also think adding policy or wiki-updates as a topic? On Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:36 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Yes I'm digging up this thread. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 15:52:35 Chris Egeland wrote: > Hey hackers! > > I've been watching the mailing lists very closely for some time now, and > have noticed a general uptrend in the volume of email sent to the > discuss list. Sometimes we get offtopic and go off on tangents about > toast, or other topics which are fun to talk about, but are ultimately > irrelevant to the space itself. Usually, this isn't a problem, but for > someone who is interested in the space, but not the minutiae of every > little bit of day-to-day operations, it can quickly turn into an > overwhelming amount of email. > > Today, I'm asking for input on how we should proceed with the mailing > lists. As you may know, we currently have 5 lists, two of which are > public, one semipublic, and two private. discuss@synhak.org and > annou...@synhak.org are the two that everyone knows about. Members may > know that they are automatically subscribed to memb...@synhak.org. > Board members are subscribed to bo...@synhak.org and us sysadmin folk > are members of sysad...@synhak.org. > > My recommendation is to create an "offtopic" list, which would have very > very lax rules on what can be posted. Anything you want to chat about. > Want to debate why the RubberDucks is a terrible team name and the Aeros > was WAY better? Sure, no problem. Got a pothole on Market street that > irks you every day? Have at it. Joke threads? Toast? No problem. The > other side to this idea is that the discuss list would have some basic > rules imposed that mean that any topics to the discuss list would be > required to be relevant to the space itself. Projects occurring at the > space would be relevant topics, open hours discussion, meeting minutes, etc. How about instead of a catch-all off-topic list, some more specialized lists? Almost every time I send a rapid-fire set of emails, I do wonder about the people who were previously complaining about the very high volume of e-mails. This isn't about off-topicness, but more about "what is on-topic for discuss@". General purpose discussion sounds pretty neat, but then I wonder what effects having more focused discussion groups would have on giving incentive to people to discuss more. I've been wondering if it would benefit the space at all to create a couple of smaller lists for people involved in certain standing projects at the space, mostly according to the Maintainers[1] page. Namely, * Expanding access to sysadmin@ to the public, redirecting services@ to a new security@ list, and writing down the ad-hoc policy we've been using to give people access to security tokens * A speakers-bureau@ list for better coordination of the bureau * little-aristotles@ for planing that * startup-akron@ if you're interested in helping Nick and I get a startup environment up off the ground in Akron. Expanding access to sysadmin@ should benefit the space by allowing interested persons to sign up for it and tune in to more rapid discussions about networking or servers that most people really couldn't care less about. Same for the other lists. In addition, they'd give a better idea of who are the real maintainers of things. Someone sends a question to the speakers-bureau list and you'll hear back from someone with a vested interest as opposed to any yahoo signed up on discuss@. Creating a little-aristotles list would also enable that group to include external organizations that *really* could care less about discussions and meeting minutes. In essence, this would transform the SYNHAK mailing lists from a SYNHAK- centric discussion tool into a venerable hub of many discussions for the greater Akron Hacker community. I think this is needed. Your thoughts and feedback are appreciated. > > So, let me know what you guys think. I'm not officially proposing this, > but we may chat about it at the next meeting as a discussion topic, > because it would fundamentally mean we change how the mailing lists are > organized and structured. > > Thanks, > Chris > [1]http://synhak.org/wiki/Maintainers ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Basic prototyping kit opinions?
I bought a Starter Kit made by OSEPP from microcenter, not as cool as the one Torrie showed from SparkFun. I know Microcenter sells SparkFun products, but I am not sure if they have the one she listed yet. Might stop by next time when I am at work (Microcenter is up in Cleveland). On Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:28 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote: "prototyping kit for a brand new inventor" The kit Torrie suggested looks great, and would be nice to have available at SynHak. When people ask about how to invent something, I like to talk to them about Starting their own business with the thing that they want to invent. Since you need to find some way to pay for everything that goes with getting a patient. There are a lot of things that people don't think about :) Hmm, I really need some free time so that I can write a talk about it. Andy PS, you can also contact the Hudson inventors group for suggestions too. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 13:59:55 Pierce wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Could I ask for an opinion from anyone who has a few minutes & feels like >> weighing in? >> >> If I was trying to put together a prototyping kit for a brand new >> inventor, what would go into it? >> >> Goals: >> A really wide range of possible inventions. >> Functional, as well as representative, stuff, not *just* 'model of' stuff. > >> A bunny slope learning curve. >> An exciting, real, substantive feel. >> Access to many different disciplines (mechanical, electrical, robotic, >> programming, crafty, modern material marvels, etc.?) of making and an >> encouragement to fuzz those lines! >> Ideal for a systems approach or big picture thinking approach to invention. >> >> >> Two cost types: >> 1.) the skies the limit >> & >> 2.) $100 or $200 for two dozen inventors to take turns, in teams, for many >> dismantle-n-rebuild real inventions. >> >> I've given this bunches of thought but I would like to hear from other >> people with different ideas. If this is the wrong forum for this big a >> question, feel free to delete and respond with the appropriate >> e-chastisement. > >You might be looking for the Sparkfun Inventor's Kit as a source of >inspiration for electronics: > >https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11576 > >Its only $90 and would easily cover everything about electronics, programming, >and a touch of robotics. I'm not sure for the other bits though. > > >> >> Thanks for everything and hello to all from Steph, >> (One of the new persons, with brown hair, who's been visiting lately.) > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Wiki sprint
I am up for it, I am also going to edit some of the videos from the Speakers Bureau and upload them to youtube. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:58 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Who might be up for sitting down on a friday night with beer and doing some social wiki writing. Trust me, this is just as fun as building things, and equally important. Tonight I just happen to be doing a bit of work on documenting Phong, making the Mailing Lists page look a lot more welcoming, and improving our What We Offer page. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving
Sorry about that Torrie. I know you are pretty much skin and bones, so I image you pretty much only eat rabbit food. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:18 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 18:38:45 alex kot wrote: > Oh I am sure Torrie will enjoy a tossed salad. What day do we plan to do Please don't say that, Alex. It is terribly unfunny and a bit rude. > this? Are we doing it next Wednesday or tomorrowor both? I probably > won't make it till real late if it is tomorrow. > > > > On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:15 PM, Philip P. Patnode > wrote: > > @Devin > > My personal choice would be 01, a tossed salad. > > Torrie gets to choose only one from the list , but I am sure she is open to > suggestions and majority opinion. > > No need for any special "utensils" to deal with the salad. > > One hand, one latex glove --> add motion, get one clean handful of salad to > drop in the guest's bowl. > > I will be bringing a large flask of raspberry vinaigrette and will be happy > to share it with others. > > Philip > > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM, wrote: > > Thank you Philip. I don't feel a meal is complete without a nice tossed > salad. > >I can bring several dressings. and utensils as well. > >I'm not sure about the weenie soup, others may disagree here though. > >But thats alot of lemon jello. Enough for a party of this size. > > > >D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Philip P. Patnode > > > >To: SYN/HAK discussion list > >Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:08 PM > >Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving > > > > > > > >All of the above - > > > >Count me in for another holiday meal! > > > > > >Let me know the approximate number of people (round it up to the next > >positive integer) likely to attend and I will bring enough of one of the > >following items to feed the herd. Since Torrie is apparently the > >designated chef who will be doing the > >frying/baking/boiling/braising/toasting/burning/charbroiling/roasting/sear > >ing of the dead, hairless bird, I will defer to her choice of any one item > >on the list. > > > > > >01. ice cream, Food Club (from Acme #1, in any flavor available (now on > >sale, 4 - 1.5qt for $10) > > > > > >02 tossed salad, no dressing, BYOD - from Sam's Club or Marcs (available > >in 12oz or 3lb packages) (allow 4-6 oz per person) > > > > > >03 weenie soup, 8oz per person (secret recipe = 2qts water, 8 cheap hot > >dogs, boil for 5 min, serve the flavorful liquid, let the dog have the > >meat) > > > > > >04 hors d'oeuvres tray with chocolate covered ants, tidbits of whale meat, > >fried beetles, rabbit fur & rice sushi, and cold garlic paste on a plain, > >stale cracker > > > > > >05 lemon jello, with either embedded raisins or pineapple chunks (a > >personal favorite, already made in 1 gallon jugs, stored in my jello > >celler) > > > > > >Next move is up to Torrie. Choose one and I will comply. > > > > > >Also, please send me a wave later to confirm the day and time of the > >post-T'day dinner. > > > > > >Philip > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote: > > > >Remember that allstate commercial where the guy said something like 'this > >year 2 million people will deep fry their turkey, and 15 will succeed in > >burning their house down"? If we all try hard enough - we could be part > >of those elite 15 :)> > >>Realy though, ya I'de love to help deepfry, never done it/had it, and it > >>seems like the thing to do. Also, we don't have an oven. > >> > >> > >> > >>http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/11/22/dangers-deep-fried-turkey/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Bethany Munyan > >>wrote: > >> > >>Hahaha, Andrew, if you want to cook the turkey like that, it is fine by > >>me. I'll try most things once. And yes, Steve, I believe we are doing > >>this on Thursday now.>> > >>>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, a l wrote: > >>> > >>>would we want to drop fry the turkey? what's the point of a 55kbtu burner > >>>if
Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving
Oh I am sure Torrie will enjoy a tossed salad. What day do we plan to do this? Are we doing it next Wednesday or tomorrowor both? I probably won't make it till real late if it is tomorrow. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:15 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: @Devin My personal choice would be 01, a tossed salad. Torrie gets to choose only one from the list , but I am sure she is open to suggestions and majority opinion. No need for any special "utensils" to deal with the salad. One hand, one latex glove --> add motion, get one clean handful of salad to drop in the guest's bowl. I will be bringing a large flask of raspberry vinaigrette and will be happy to share it with others. Philip On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM, wrote: Thank you Philip. I don't feel a meal is complete without a nice tossed salad. >I can bring several dressings. and utensils as well. >I'm not sure about the weenie soup, others may disagree here though. >But thats alot of lemon jello. Enough for a party of this size. > >D. > > > > > > > > From: Philip P. Patnode > >To: SYN/HAK discussion list >Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:08 PM >Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving > > > >All of the above - > >Count me in for another holiday meal! > > >Let me know the approximate number of people (round it up to the next positive >integer) likely to attend and I will bring enough of one of the following >items to feed the herd. Since Torrie is apparently the designated chef who >will be doing the >frying/baking/boiling/braising/toasting/burning/charbroiling/roasting/searing >of the dead, hairless bird, I will defer to her choice of any one item on the >list. > > >01. ice cream, Food Club (from Acme #1, in any flavor available (now on sale, >4 - 1.5qt for $10) > > >02 tossed salad, no dressing, BYOD - from Sam's Club or Marcs (available in >12oz or 3lb packages) (allow 4-6 oz per person) > > >03 weenie soup, 8oz per person (secret recipe = 2qts water, 8 cheap hot dogs, >boil for 5 min, serve the flavorful liquid, let the dog have the meat) > > >04 hors d'oeuvres tray with chocolate covered ants, tidbits of whale meat, >fried beetles, rabbit fur & rice sushi, and cold garlic paste on a plain, >stale cracker > > >05 lemon jello, with either embedded raisins or pineapple chunks (a personal >favorite, already made in 1 gallon jugs, stored in my jello celler) > > >Next move is up to Torrie. Choose one and I will comply. > > >Also, please send me a wave later to confirm the day and time of the >post-T'day dinner. > > >Philip > > > > > >On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote: > >Remember that allstate commercial where the guy said something like 'this year >2 million people will deep fry their turkey, and 15 will succeed in burning >their house down"? If we all try hard enough - we could be part of those >elite 15 :) >> >> >>Realy though, ya I'de love to help deepfry, never done it/had it, and it >>seems like the thing to do. Also, we don't have an oven. >> >> >> >>http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/11/22/dangers-deep-fried-turkey/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Bethany Munyan >>wrote: >> >>Hahaha, Andrew, if you want to cook the turkey like that, it is fine by me. >>I'll try most things once. And yes, Steve, I believe we are doing this on >>Thursday now. >>> >>> >>> >>>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, a l wrote: >>> >>>would we want to drop fry the turkey? what's the point of a 55kbtu burner if >>>you never user it? At any rate I'll try and get my school work taken care of so i can attend - Andrew L On Nov 27, 2013 9:54 AM, "Bethany Munyan" wrote: Well, we chose Wednesday because everyone was most available that day, but I think Thursday would work, Friday is a no-go because I work Friday nights. As long as you can cook the Turkey, that should be enough :) > > > >On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: > >On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 23:38:19 Bethany Munyan wrote: >>> Hello all! So tonight, after the meeting, I was talking with a bunch of >>> people at the space and we want to have a SYNHAK Thanksgiving, or >>> Spacegiving. I think we are going to do it next week on Wednesday 12/4, >>> before/during/after the safety class. I'm not sure. Chris said he has >>> a >>> turkey that if someone cooks we can eat. I believe Torrie said she will >>> cook that. I can bring pie. Who else wants to come and bring food? I >>> do >>> ask that if you do attend, you bring something for everyone. Best >>> wishes, >>> happy hacking, merry thanksgiving. :) -Beth >> >>I'm...not entirely sure how we could stuff (har) a whole second >>Thanksgiving >>dinner into the space while people are trying to learn shop safety, or >>have a >>meeting. Thats a lot of food wi
Re: [SH-Discuss] Basic prototyping kit opinions?
What age group are you going for and are you going for someone who is entry level that wants to learn or someone that already has the knowledge? On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:00 PM, Pierce wrote: Hi all, Could I ask for an opinion from anyone who has a few minutes & feels like weighing in? If I was trying to put together a prototyping kit for a brand new inventor, what would go into it? Goals: A really wide range of possible inventions. Functional, as well as representative, stuff, not just 'model of' stuff. A bunny slope learning curve. An exciting, real, substantive feel. Access to many different disciplines (mechanical, electrical, robotic, programming, crafty, modern material marvels, etc.?) of making and an encouragement to fuzz those lines! Ideal for a systems approach or big picture thinking approach to invention. Two cost types: 1.) the skies the limit & 2.) $100 or $200 for two dozen inventors to take turns, in teams, for many dismantle-n-rebuild real inventions. I've given this bunches of thought but I would like to hear from other people with different ideas. If this is the wrong forum for this big a question, feel free to delete and respond with the appropriate e-chastisement. Thanks for everything and hello to all from Steph, (One of the new persons, with brown hair, who's been visiting lately.) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Another summer workshop idea: Linux From Scratch
I am down for this, then again Gentoo is my favorite Distro, so I kind of been doing this all along. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:34 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Howdy, all. Steve and I were discussing this a bit ago on IRC: It'd be a pretty neat idea to have a weekly Linux From Scratch workshop going on at the space this summer. Obviously not at the same time slot as the programming classes, but on a different day. If you're not familiar with Linux From Scratch, it is a book written to guide someone through the process of building a complete linux system from scratch. You start with a fresh blank harddrive, work out of a minimal bootstrap environment via LiveCD, then begin building your way towards a functional system with an option to continue towards a full graphical desktop. It includes building all of the linux plumbing, such as: * Formatting a filesystem * Creating the filesystem structure * binutils * gcc * glibc * [some 30 other packages and a handful of rebuilds] * Linux kernel I did this myself roughly 10 years ago and learned a *lot* about how the complete Linux operating system works. It is a massive wealth of information and watching compilers compile code. The prerequisites would be: * Using a shell to type in commands The outcomes: * You'd be *very* familiar with the shell * Lots of intimate knowledge of the components running just below the surface of your shiny user interfaces * A linux system that is entirely yours and not based on any existing distribution. Pure vanilla. Thoughts? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New member!
I am here now. So come on in whenever today. -- On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:43 PM EST Torrie Fischer wrote: >On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 14:55:29 Philip P. Patnode wrote: >> Torrie - >> >> What time does the building open for the meeting tonight? > >It will be open by 6pm, but since its a Tuesday, its likely that others might >be there at an earlier time. Check the open sign at live.synhak.org, or our >front door's twitter at twitter.com/synhak. The webcam isn't working yet since >I forgot to take home the slip of paper that Craig wrote our IP address on due >to me not yet having my phone configured with the AWS security tokens to login >and update our DNS :( > >My older phone that does have the tokens is in my bag and ready to go to the >space tonight so I can set Craig up with a proper AWS account so that kind of >stuff doesn't rely on me again. I'll also configure my tablet to have the same >tokens for redundancy. > >> >> I am coming down on the bus and will be walking from wherever the bus stops >> to the building. > >That'd be the 10 line on the corner of Howard and North. Depending if you're >heading inbound or outbound, you'd either get off a block up Howard, or across >the corner on the opposite side of Howard. > >> >> Trying to plan my arrival so that when I get there I can come inside rather >> than begin the transition from human to popsicle outside in the snow. >> >> Yes, I am dragging two baigs of stuff to donate to SH, as discussed in a >> slew of previous messages with a small herd of SH members, you included. >> >> Looking forward to the visit, meeting the people, checking out the facility. >> >> See you in a few hours. > >woo \o/ > >> >> Philip >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Torrie Fischer >> >> wrote: >> > On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 19:54:24 a l wrote: >> > > Hello Discuss list members, >> > > David Morely >> > > He's been hanging around the space since at least three mini maker fair. >> > > His application says he's a hacker from way back. >> > > >> > > At this point he has scheduled his official interview and membership >> > > vote >> > > for next Weeks meeting (11/ 26). So now we open up discussion to the >> > >> > list >> > >> > > and welcome any thoughts people have on David becoming a member. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > Andrew >> > >> > bump reminder that this is happening tonight, though nobody seems to have >> > any >> > dissent >> > ___ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > Discuss@synhak.org >> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Fridge
Actually storing batteries in the freezer does slow down the discharge rate. NiMH and NiCd batteries have a high discharge rate as oppose to Alkaline batteries. Though the amount of energy you use to cool the battery VS how much you save is kind of pointless. On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:51 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2013 03:04:21 Andrew Buczko wrote: > Hehe, I would use the fridge for the rare (press a gear onto a crank) trick > where you freeze the crank and boil the gear. > You can store Glue in the fridge to make it last longer. (<-- might be a > myth) Myth. > Batteries. (<-- also might be a myth) Also myth. However, you are supposed to store solder paste in the fridge. > Fish Rubber for making slot car tires. > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Chris Egeland wrote: > > What kind of non-food use? Bio projects? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Nov 24, 2013, at 0:26, Andrew Buczko wrote: > > > > I like free option, and bigger will be nice. > > > > Can we keep the smaller one for non-food use? If we have the space. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Torrie Fischer > > > > wrote: > >> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 00:45:49 Bethany Munyan wrote: > >> > As someone who often fill up the fridge when I am there, I think a > >> > >> bigger > >> > >> > fridge would be a good idea. If we have to wait until we move, then I > >> > don't think that would be a big deal. We can always look on craigslist > >> > >> if > >> > >> > we have to. -Beth > >> > >> Yeah, I agree. We do need a bigger fridge. We can't fit a bigger one in > >> the > >> space easily, but I'm open to the idea of using my garage as storage for > >> new > >> things we want to acquire but don't have the space for 'till we get a > >> bigger > >> location. Its only 8 minutes away up in North Hill. > >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, a l wrote: > >> > > A second fridge would be a great addition. Then we could have a soft > >> > >> drink > >> > >> > > fridge and an adult beverage fridge. This will assuage some concerns > >> > >> if we > >> > >> > > ever have school groups at the space or members not of age. > >> > > We had discussed an adult fridge this spring and just never got > >> > >> around to > >> > >> > > it due to other pressing matters. > >> > > > >> > > regards, > >> > > Andrew > >> > > > >> > > On Nov 22, 2013 2:56 PM, "Philip P. Patnode" > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Chris & Alex & Omar and anybody else that has an interest in a > >> > >> bigger > >> > >> refrigerator - > >> > >> > >> > >> If SH is willing to wait, I can probably obtain a full size > >> > >> refrigerator > >> > >> > >> for FREE, sometime in the near future. > >> > >> > >> > >> Could be anytime from next week to a day in the next few months. > >> > >> > >> > >> I have access to a location where many working household appliances > >> > >> are > >> > >> > >> discarded on a regular basis. > >> > >> > >> > >> In the last few months, several refrigerators, a freezer, a > >> > >> washer/dryer > >> > >> > >> combo, two stoves, and lots of small appliances were placed by the > >> > >> dumpster > >> > >> and abandoned. Any one or all of them could have become SH property > >> > >> on > >> > >> > >> request. > >> > >> > >> > >> If a frig becomes available, SH will have to pickup the item on > >> > >> short > >> > >> notice (24 hrs or less) and remove it from the property. > >> > >> > >> > >> Also, there is no choice of color or size or model or brand or age. > >> > >> > >> > >> If a 10-yr old Amana side-by-side, model #333, in bright periwinkle > >> > >> shows > >> > >> > >> up, that is what the org will get. > >> > >> > >> > >&g
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Fridge
I would be more worried about the pop exploding when it starts to get really cold. -- On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:42 PM EST Omar Rassi wrote: >Agreed, its overkill. We need to be more diligent about replacing the drink >we take out of the fridge. Take one, place one... > > >On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, alex kot wrote: > >> >> I think it is overkill. A full size fridge isn't cheap, plus we are >> planning to move sometime soon. Maybe in march we can rebring this up when >> it starts to get warm. >> >> >> >> -- >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:23 PM EST Chris Egeland wrote: >> >> >So, I mentioned this to Torrie the other day at the space, and I figured >> I'd bring it up here because, well, why not. >> > >> >We probably need a bigger fridge soon. Right now, it's not mission >> critical because we're TECHNICALLY not out of space, but the fridge we have >> does get emptied VERY quickly. >> > >> >We keep a bit of a stockpile under the counter in the kitchen area of >> beverages, but that sits there unrefrigerated which sucks in the summer and >> the Mountain Dew is 95 degrees Fahrenheit (35C for you people in every >> other country than the USA, Liberia and Burma). >> > >> >So, I'm gonna ask you guys: Do you think a full-size fridge is overkill >> for our needs? It would provide us with an actual freezer instead of a >> small box that grows ice around it every three months, which would be nice. >> It would also give us the ability to keep much more foodstuff at a >> comfortably refrigerated temperature. >> > >> >I'm asking for your input before I start hunting for a fridge. What does >> everyone think? >> > >> >Chris >> >___ >> >Discuss mailing list >> >Discuss@synhak.org >> >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Fridge
I think it is overkill. A full size fridge isn't cheap, plus we are planning to move sometime soon. Maybe in march we can rebring this up when it starts to get warm. -- On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:23 PM EST Chris Egeland wrote: >So, I mentioned this to Torrie the other day at the space, and I figured I'd >bring it up here because, well, why not. > >We probably need a bigger fridge soon. Right now, it's not mission critical >because we're TECHNICALLY not out of space, but the fridge we have does get >emptied VERY quickly. > >We keep a bit of a stockpile under the counter in the kitchen area of >beverages, but that sits there unrefrigerated which sucks in the summer and >the Mountain Dew is 95 degrees Fahrenheit (35C for you people in every other >country than the USA, Liberia and Burma). > >So, I'm gonna ask you guys: Do you think a full-size fridge is overkill for >our needs? It would provide us with an actual freezer instead of a small box >that grows ice around it every three months, which would be nice. It would >also give us the ability to keep much more foodstuff at a comfortably >refrigerated temperature. > >I'm asking for your input before I start hunting for a fridge. What does >everyone think? > >Chris >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New member!
I ended up getting my membership quickly, due to the fact I piss excellence in the morning. -- On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 1:59 PM EST Bethany Munyan wrote: >We like excellent! > > >On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, David Morley wrote: > >> "Awesome" is a trait after my time. I can only hope to be "fun", >> "excellent", and possibly "interesting". >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Justin Herman wrote: >> >> What are Davids Interests? >> >> What will dose David want to see in the space? >> >> Would David prefer to be...: >> A. Awesome >> B. Fun >> C. Excellent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:54 PM, a l wrote: >> >>> Hello Discuss list members, >>> David Morely >>> He's been hanging around the space since at least three mini maker >>> fair. His application says he's a hacker from way back. >>> >>> At this point he has scheduled his official interview and membership >>> vote for next Weeks meeting (11/ 26). So now we open up discussion to the >>> list and welcome any thoughts people have on David becoming a member. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrew >>> >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New mailing list: power-racing-series
Thanks Torrie, Philip, and Xander for your input. Just to elaborate more onto this. Syn/Hak is a community for open minded individuals. The space does not condone to judging sexual preference, race, gender, and disabilities. By chance this was just one of those internet references that was not in context of judging someones sexual preference, be leery that everyone may not get those references. Try to be politically correct and most importantly respectful of other people, after all this is a public email listing. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:38 PM, Alexander Golightley wrote: Torrie, thank you. Seriously. I couldn't support your decision more than I do now. As another non-heteronormative member of the LGBT community, I deal with bigoted crap enough day to day. I don't need to deal with it in the organization I love so dearly. I think actions like this are the only way to show that this type of bigotry is unacceptable. I'm delighted to be part of an organization that feels the same way (although I am in no way surprised by this. I think very highly of the people involved in SYN/HAK.) -Xander On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: TWIMC and Torrie Fischer, > > >As an outsider and non-member, who is considering SYNHAK as a place to spend >some time, meet some new people, learn some new skills, and work on my pet >projects, I want to state that I fully support Torrie Fischer's reaction to >the astonishing email from BL containing an obvious slur against a group of >people who deserve to be treated as equals in all respects, at all times. > > >Homophobic slurs are unwanted, unnecessary, embarrassing, and totally devoid >of substance. Even one as silly as the one in BL's email reply - is out of >place in our civilized society. Comments like that have no place in the >organization and must be suppressed with prejudice immediately. > > >I hope that the members of SYNHAK will agree with Torrie and support her. > > >Sincerely, > > >PPP > > > >On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: > >On Thursday, November 14, 2013 20:28:58 Ben Lippincott wrote: >>> Ha! Gay! >> >>Hello, friend. >> >>It seems that you have tried to introduce a smidgen of immature humor into a >>public mailing list. As a non-heteronormative member of the LGBT community, I >>must say that I am disgusted with your behavior. Thoroughly disgusted, in >>fact. I will admit this: SYNHAK is essentially a very large community of >>technical children who somehow managed to pull together enough collaborative >>effort to give birth to something wonderful in the City of Invention. >> >>Irrespective of that, we give each other the full respect that each of us is >>due. Using "gay" in such a manner shows a disappointing lack of respect from >>you. >> >>As Champion of SYNHAK, it is my duty to ensure that SYNHAK is constantly >>moving in a direction in accordance with our mission statement, which I've >>included here from our bylaws for reference: >> >> SYN/HAK provides an environment for people to educate, create, and share >> amongst themselves and others within the domains of technology, art and >> science. >> >>-- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/bylaws.pdf >> >> >>It is my belief that in order to secure such an environment, upholding the >>first rule of the space is of utmost important. Again, i've included it here >>for reference: >> >> 1. Be excellent to each other. >> >>-- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/space-rules.pdf >> >>With the powers vested in me as documented through our bylaws and given to me >>through my re-election to the position of SYNHAK Champion by the membership of >>this community, I hereby declare that you were not acting in accordance with >>our mission statement. That is to say, you are not acting Excellent. >> >>I recommend that you cease this behavior immediately. Do not pass go. Do not >>collect $200. Do not send another mail to this community or further action >>will be taken to exclude you and your behavior from it. >> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, codex codices wrote: >>> > I tried to subscribe and it says that I must enter a valid email address. >>> > Its the same address I use for the other mailing lists. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer >>wrote: >>> >> Howdy, all. >>> >> >>> >> At the request of Devin, I've created a new list: >>> >> >>> >> power-racing-ser...@synhak.org >>> >> >>> >> Subscribe here: https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/power-racing-series >>> >> >>> >> It is intended for use in facilitating discussions about the power wheel >>> >> racing series project, aka the big pink Power Wheels car and nearby >>> >> tractor >>> >> chassis in the front of the space. I've added Devin as the primary list >>> >> owner, >>> >> with sysad...@synhak.org as the backup. >>> >> ___ >>> >> Discuss mail
Re: [SH-Discuss] CanHax: Canton Hackerspace
Looks like it is really new. The domain was bought on August 22nd 2013, the Facebook and Twitter account doesn't have anything on it yet. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:55 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Look what I found today: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/CanHax Apparently, someone is starting a space in Canton. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Debate Time!!! Gaming on High End gaming rigs vs budget PCs or, Reality vs Theory
Omar I think you are confusing IT with the consumer level. You deal with Standards way beyond Gigabit depending on the scope needed. Most things are engineered to meet the specification. Hard drives spinning at 15K RPMs was the cap, which is why they never made anything faster then SCSI 640, until SSDs came out. Also the reason why data centers now use GPUs for processing is due to gaming is the only market truly pushing computers. As for consumer level buying a $5,000 computer is pointless. A computer that cost 1K will still running every game on high for the year it came out. Then again I don't drive a Ferrari. Also that would cool if that wireless extension cord did exist, I would transform that into a ADS (Active Denial System). On Saturday, November 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Justin Herman wrote: I got it here. http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, wrote: Figure out efficient wireless power transfer and you've got it. > >Sent from my iPad > >On Nov 9, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Chris Egeland wrote: > > >Or we can just run a really really long extension cord to OSC! >> >> >>Chris >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On Nov 9, 2013, at 12:28, Nicholas Petroski >>wrote: >> >> >>Just need a space where electric is included. >>>On Nov 9, 2013 12:13 PM, "Ben Lippincott" wrote: >>> >>> OMG We don't need a new space, or any heaters We can just get 16 Radeon R9 290Xs and make 4 bitcoin mining PCs and put them around the space It'll be like 700 degrees F I'm a genius Pus it would only cost $9600 for all the GPUs GPU-based buttcoin mining is pointless. It costs more in electricity than you can make up by mining. On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote: GXLOLWTFDDR573 I'll have to get me some of that RAM! > > >The way I see it is that the newer games are too demanding. You have games >out there that require a super computer just to play them yet an 8088 can >display 30 rotating 3D objects at once?... The developers of today need >to take some que's from the Demoscene programmers and go back and refine >their code. > > >Oh and don't worry about bitcoins, that's what your cycles are for ;) > > > > >On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Torrie Fischer >wrote: > >On Friday, November 08, 2013 12:00:20 Omar Rassi wrote: >>> Most of us in the IT field know that even though gigabit ethernet has a >>> bandwidth 1000 Mb/s or that SATA3 has bandwidth of 600 Mb/s, you will >>> never >>> reach those numbers in real world operation. Does the same hold true >>> about >>> gaming and FPS? I found the following article at on Wired: >>> >>> http://www.wired.com/reviews/2013/11/high-low-gaming-pcs/?cid=14209594 >>> >>> I know that beyond 60 FPS its very difficult for the human eye to >>> distinguish better quality and that greater than 30 FPS is where games >>> are >>> considered playable. Wired brought up a good point that most monitors >>> can >>> only display 60 FPS max (high end monitors beyond 60Hz are excluded from >>> that generality). So I ask what are the benefits of a multi-thousand >>> dollar >>> gaming rig besides bragging rights? >> >>the benefit to me is that I can immediately pick out who doesn't >>understand >>the bottlenecks in today's software >> >> >>> >>> The topic here is centered around benefits to the owner of said >>> computer, >>> not community projects like Folding@home or Seti@home. Do not discuss >>> Bitcoin mining is also a given considering the power of a $5000 rig and >>> how >>> much it has already been discussed in the past, lets get creative here. >> >>but muh buttcoins... >> >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Omar >>___ >>Discuss mailing list >>Discuss@synhak.org >>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Thanks! Ben Lippincott ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>___ >>>Discuss mailing list >>>Discuss@synhak.org >>>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ >>Discuss mailing list >>Discuss@synhak.org >>https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > __
Re: [SH-Discuss] IPv6 Tunnel Help!
They have a guide on their site. https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Using_IPv6_on_2.1_with_a_Tunnel_Broker Though for Tunnel Broker they have a lot better support on the Linux side (Debian and OpenWRT). On Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:23 PM, Chris Egeland wrote: Is there anyone that considers themselves an expert or at least somewhat experienced with IPv6 and pfSense? If so, please talk to me. I'm trying to get a HE.net tunnel set up here at the space and I'm running into some difficulties getting things set up the way I was hoping. Thanks, Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Google Helpouts
Slashdot posted a good article on Google Helpouts. Were you can share skills and expertise via Google hangout. Can be provided free or paid. Maybe something Syn/Hak can use. http://slashdot.org/topic/cloud/googles-helpouts-driven-by-people-power/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] on Trash
Kind of like when they nuclear testing with pigs during manhattan project? On Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:34 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Thursday, October 31, 2013 04:20:37 PM Andrew Buczko wrote: > Is there a designated area to pile all these full trash bags? Tony's > office? > JK! > > Maybe we can budget renting our own? Cus trash stinks and this whole "trash > situation" stinks. (not that we have money to spend on trash). well last night we were considering making some kind of machine that can vaporize ham... > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: > > On Thursday, October 31, 2013 03:53:34 PM Craig Bergdorf wrote: > > > Last I checked there are bags piled up near the dumpster (I half wanted > > > > to > > > > > staple/tape a small bag of trash over the lock, or start stacking on top > > > > of > > > > > the new mini dumpster (I didn't)), bags right outside the garage door > > > > that > > > > > leads to the dumpster, and what looks like a goodwill spit up a little > > > to > > > the left of the door entering the room with the bathroom in it. Is > > > > there a > > > > > designated area to pile all these full trash bags? > > > > A dumpster, but we don't have one that we can unlock. I'm planning on > > stopping > > by Tony's today and talking to Sandy to get us a proper dumpster. If I run > > out > > of time, it'll happen tomorrow morning. > > ___ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@synhak.org > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Upcoming Events for Tuesday 29 October 2013
I am down for LAN party this and next weekend. I mean we are going to have a different crowd this Saturday with the Maker Faire. On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:09 AM, Ben Lippincott wrote: Torrie, can we move the LAN Party back a week? I am in the tech crew for my school play this weekend and won't be able to make it. If we change the date to next week, I can come. If we can't move it, can we do 2 this month? (huehuehue) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 03:12:13 AM Phong wrote: >> Guten Tag, hakkers! >> >> >> Rumor has it that some new things are happening at SYNHAK in the next 7 >> days: > >phong you are drunk go home > > >> >> = Fall 2013 Open House = >> After the Akron Mini Maker Faire, make your way down to SYNHAK for our fall >> open house! >> >> Start: 2013-11-02T22:00:00+00:00 >> End: 2013-11-03T08:00:00+00:00 >> Organizers: >> * Torrie Fischer >> = Monthly LAN: November 2013 = >> This month's LAN party. Be prepared for a few rounds of Artemis. >> >> Start: 2013-11-03T00:00:00+00:00 >> End: 2013-11-03T08:00:00+00:00 >> Organizers: >> * Torrie Fischer >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Thanks! Ben Lippincott ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Speaker's Bureau rises again like a phoenix!
I can probably stop up there this Friday grab the files and work on it a little this weekend. On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:38 AM, "degerov...@yahoo.com" wrote: Alex, we do have some content that was filmed at the screen printing class that needs edited then uploaded. It is on the flip cam. I believe G has some footage from other talks as well. There is a premier pro video editing suite on the windows machine in the Perkins room. If you want to tackle this it would be appriciated Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ____ From: alex kot ; To: SYN/HAK discussion list ; Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] The Speaker's Bureau rises again like a phoenix! Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 2:30:09 AM Torrie if you need someone to assist on this, I am more then welcome to help out. I think getting some new content that we can put on our Youtube channel will bring more of a face to SYN/HAK. We can start probably with a few people from SYN/HAK, I would like to give some presentation, Craig mention it too, and I see Justin would like to also. If you need someone to help coordinate or update the "Classes" on the website I am willing to assist. Let me know what I can do to help, Alex Kot On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:25 PM, Justin Herman wrote: I can offer to speak again if you are needing people to speak in the future. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Howdy, hakkers! > >Remember this thing? > >http://synhak.org/wiki/Speakers_Bureau > >When we started the bureau, I was the de facto head and handled: > >* Finding speakers >* Scheduling speakers >* Making sure the speakers are well accomodated >* Running PR for speakers > >Some time ago, I believe as early as April, Xander stepped up and started to >take charge of things. I really don't remember any announcement about it other >than some in-person discussions, but I was quite happy to have one fewer >responsibility at the space. > >Last week was the first wednesday slot I can remember where we didn't have >anything scheduled. Previously, we had so many classes booked that there was a >four month wait to get in. Sounds like much, but isn't really since we only do >it twice a month. > >We discussed this at last night's meeting as well (phong not reporting minutes >is another topic...), and the general consensus seems to be that nobody is >actually running it anymore. If anyone is, there is absolutely no visibility >as to what is going on. > >For such a core component of SYNHAK's mission to educate, I think it would Not >Be Excellent for this situation to continue. > >I'm stepping up and taking over unless there are objections to that. If >someone else can contribute the 1-2 hours a week needed for organizing things, >please let me know here on discuss@. If you want to get involved with getting >the bureau running again and *keeping* it running, please also let me know >here on discuss@. > >If I don't hear from anyone by tomorrow afternoon, I'll start devising some >self-sustaining mechanisms for the bureau's future along with scheduling new >classes. >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Speaker's Bureau rises again like a phoenix!
Torrie if you need someone to assist on this, I am more then welcome to help out. I think getting some new content that we can put on our Youtube channel will bring more of a face to SYN/HAK. We can start probably with a few people from SYN/HAK, I would like to give some presentation, Craig mention it too, and I see Justin would like to also. If you need someone to help coordinate or update the "Classes" on the website I am willing to assist. Let me know what I can do to help, Alex Kot On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:25 PM, Justin Herman wrote: I can offer to speak again if you are needing people to speak in the future. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Howdy, hakkers! > >Remember this thing? > >http://synhak.org/wiki/Speakers_Bureau > >When we started the bureau, I was the de facto head and handled: > >* Finding speakers >* Scheduling speakers >* Making sure the speakers are well accomodated >* Running PR for speakers > >Some time ago, I believe as early as April, Xander stepped up and started to >take charge of things. I really don't remember any announcement about it other >than some in-person discussions, but I was quite happy to have one fewer >responsibility at the space. > >Last week was the first wednesday slot I can remember where we didn't have >anything scheduled. Previously, we had so many classes booked that there was a >four month wait to get in. Sounds like much, but isn't really since we only do >it twice a month. > >We discussed this at last night's meeting as well (phong not reporting minutes >is another topic...), and the general consensus seems to be that nobody is >actually running it anymore. If anyone is, there is absolutely no visibility >as to what is going on. > >For such a core component of SYNHAK's mission to educate, I think it would Not >Be Excellent for this situation to continue. > >I'm stepping up and taking over unless there are objections to that. If >someone else can contribute the 1-2 hours a week needed for organizing things, >please let me know here on discuss@. If you want to get involved with getting >the bureau running again and *keeping* it running, please also let me know >here on discuss@. > >If I don't hear from anyone by tomorrow afternoon, I'll start devising some >self-sustaining mechanisms for the bureau's future along with scheduling new >classes. >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Woz Tickets
Is anyone planning on carpooling or possibly walking up there (not sure how far of a walk that is)? If car pooling I can take two people with me. On Monday, October 21, 2013 12:37 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Thursday, October 17, 2013 01:09:17 PM Ben Lippincott wrote: > Gimme gimme! Also, if any one else has a ticket, my dad wants to come. You're the first to reply to me, so you win one (1) ticket. > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Torrie Fischer > > wrote: > > Howdy, all! > > > > Steve Wozinak's upcoming lecture at EJ Thomas Hall is this Monday October > > 21st > > at 7:30 PM. I've got a total of four tickets (they were free), three of > > them > > are already reserved. I know there were plans to build a pool of tickets > > amongst us, but last time I asked who got them nobody actually replied. > > > > So, who wants the last ticket, and who else has some they want to add to > > the > > pool? > > ___ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@synhak.org > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Intel Galileo (brought to you by Arduino and Intel)
So it looks like it is IA-32. So it supports i386 and beyond, but not all of x86 since it won't support anything backward compatible (eg. 16-bit). From: Ben Lippincott To: SYN/HAK discussion list Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Intel Galileo (brought to you by Arduino and Intel) TECHNICALLY, x86 means "based on the Intel 8086 processor", but it is also synonymous with Pentium ISA. On Oct 4, 2013 10:46 AM, "Torrie Fischer" wrote: On Thursday, October 03, 2013 08:24:59 AM alex kot wrote: >> I am kind of confused. Is this X86? Even on the Intel datasheet it doesn't >> mention anything about X86 it states "32-bit Intel® Pentium instruction set >> architecture (ISA)-compatible processor". > >Yeah, x86 is a short name for "Intel Pentium ISA". > >> >> >> >> From: gs volt >> To: SYN/HAK discussion list >> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:56 AM >> Subject: [SH-Discuss] Intel Galileo (brought to you by Arduino and Intel) >> >> >> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20131003-904584.html#printMode >> >> Thought I'd forward this for those that are into Arduino and Intel based dev >> >> Also, keep an eye on http://makered.org/ - looks like a cool initiative >> Dale's into ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >___ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@synhak.org >https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Intel Galileo (brought to you by Arduino and Intel)
I am kind of confused. Is this X86? Even on the Intel datasheet it doesn't mention anything about X86 it states "32-bit Intel® Pentium instruction set architecture (ISA)-compatible processor". From: gs volt To: SYN/HAK discussion list Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Intel Galileo (brought to you by Arduino and Intel) http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20131003-904584.html#printMode Thought I'd forward this for those that are into Arduino and Intel based dev Also, keep an eye on http://makered.org/ - looks like a cool initiative Dale's into ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Element14 video project URGENT UPDATE
"Do we hold up to our standard of being excellent and redo the intro on the quick?" That is what the hackerspace is for, providing excellence! I am down for redoing the intro tonight. I can see if I can gather some people to help. From: "degerov...@yahoo.com" To: Synhak Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Element14 video project URGENT UPDATE First off I want to Thank everyone so much for their involvement in this project. Some people really stepped up and I owne you my eternal gratitude. With that being said there was some problems. The video was sent to Dave last night and I just got off the phone with him. They did not feel the intro was what they wanted/didn't follow their script so it will not be posted. They will still be using the fight scenes, they thought those came out fantastic. They are willing to hold up their end of the deal with funding so long as we provide a blog style write up on the two main props, specifically focusing on the electronics (hardware and software). Basically a how we built them and any problems we encountered. We still have the props to take photos and the like, but we need to ship them to Dave sometime next week. On the bright side they love the destruction videos and will be using those in conjunction with our write ups. So I ask you this. Do we hold up to our standard of being excellent and redo the intro on the quick? This will involve the help of a lot of people. I would love to give them what they want. Can I get some people down at the space tonight to run through this? Thank you guys, Devin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Ingenuity festival 2013
Sounds good see you soon! From: gs volt To: Synhak Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Ingenuity festival 2013 Alex, I'm at synhak now. Got delayed at home slightly. Will wait for you till 11 in case you wish to carpool Thanks, G I will start arnd 8am towards synhak, probably move from there to cle whenever Perhaps we can meet at synhak? From: alex kot [alexk...@yahoo.com] Sent: 09/20/2013 07:10 PM MST To: SYN/HAK discussion list Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Ingenuity festival 2013 What time are you planning to go? I should be free after 10:30 tomorrow morning. From: gs volt To: Synhak Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Ingenuity festival 2013 I'm planning to leave tomorrow morning for ingenuity festival. Want to ride with me? Reply back! Portage lakes to cleveland, back to portage lakes- should be able to pick anyone in between in my empty town car ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Ingenuity festival 2013
What time are you planning to go? I should be free after 10:30 tomorrow morning. From: gs volt To: Synhak Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Ingenuity festival 2013 I'm planning to leave tomorrow morning for ingenuity festival. Want to ride with me? Reply back! Portage lakes to cleveland, back to portage lakes- should be able to pick anyone in between in my empty town car ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] state of computing address
Microsoft (technet) opened $2 million to nonprofit organizations. http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/09/10/office-365-for-nonprofits-is-here-to-help-organizations-do-more-good-with-technology.aspx We can always try to reach out and see what they can provide us. If that doesn't work out I can probably get a copy of Windows 8 Pro (OEM) system builder. From: Omar Rassi To: SYN/HAK discussion list Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] state of computing address I'm sure we can get a genuine credit card number from one their affiliates! On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Chris Egeland wrote: The Bellevue, WA registration alone makes me wonder if it's a Microsoft trap. > >It being hosted in UAE is lol, and it being hosted on a box with an rdns of pink.warez-host.com is pretty awesome. > > >On 9/19/2013 3:50 PM, dave walton wrote: > >I'd file that under the "Too good to be true" category. >> The domain owner is listed anonymously in Bellevue WA, the server IP resolves to the United Arab Emirates and traffic is routed through pink.warez-host.com . >> >> >> >> >>On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Justin Herman wrote: >> >>Or we could "pass the hat" and see if we can get a copy from here... >>http://www.cheapgk.com/product-category/windows-8 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Justin Herman wrote: >>> >>>Could a student get a license of Win 7 pro/8 from the UA Computer Store for >>>cheap and use it at the space? Is that within compliance? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Omar Rassi wrote: >>>> >>>>Oh sweet! I did not know that, thank you! Take your time, there is no >>>>deadline for this. Its very exciting to see this stuff come together, all >>>>done in our spare time. Syn/Hak is simply amazing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote: >>>>> >>>>>the space has (had?) a google account with a DID setup for the first pass >>>>>at this phone project back in march (which did work for a month before >>>>>fading into disrepair). I don't think the number was ever advertised, but >>>>>it was announced at the weekly meeting and hit the discuss list: (March >>>>>23, 2012 - Torrie):SYNHAK has a phone number now, which is 330-737-1425, >>>>>or 330-737-1HAK. >>>>>>I'll be in to set it up again asap, but am covered in other peoples >>>>>>projects (non-syn related) at the moment, at worst It'll be done Sunday. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Howdy hackers! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm very pleased to announce that my campaign to introduce more >>>>>>workstations to the space is a great success! Since I began tinkering and >>>>>>discussing the subject, there have been a total of three working >>>>>>computers added to our humble hackerspace. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The electronics lab now has a fully functioning design suite of programs >>>>>>to assist in the design of electronic circuits to include a simulator. >>>>>>Design and/or make modifications without having to solder and resolder >>>>>>every idea without leaving the lab. It is running Fedora 19 LXDE with the >>>>>>Electronics lab spin installed. Hardware: Athlon XP 1600+, 2GB DDR 266, >>>>>>Geforce TI 200 video. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Another workstation has been added to the Perkins Room, running Fedora 19 >>>>>>LXDE. Hardware: AMD Athlon II (Socket AM3), 2GB DDR3, Integrated Radeon >>>>>>HD 4200. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>And the last computer is being used to replace our PBX box which went >>>>>>kaput for an as of yet unknown reason. The goal for that is to use it >>>>>>with the Cisco IP 7960 phones that were recently donated, set it up with >>>>>>a dedicated google voice number for inbound and outbound calling to >>>>>>Syn/Hak. Currently there is no p
