Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I think we are set for 7. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Did we decide on a time for tonight? On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look for my springloaded briefcase. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.comwrote: I think the 7 that have stepped up is a great group. Good representation of our needs and membership On Feb 9, 2014 11:57 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: FYI A casual search in the tubes using the search term ideal committee size reveals that a committee of 1 is the best, but 5 is an efficient number to get something done. More than five leads to excessive discussion and delayed decisions. Even numbers may result in a deadlock at voting time. I sincerely hope that the newly formed floorplan committee can meet and make a firm decision is under 2 hours. Start the meeting with a countdown timer on the table set for 2 hours. Assume the timer is hooked up to a briefcase full of over-stimulated Tribbles that it will open at the end of the countdown. With hope for some action, PPP On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.comwrote: I agree with Mike that way we can actually decide on something On Feb 9, 2014 8:33 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to be on the committee as well, and am available Monday evening for a meeting. I think it appropriate to have an uneven number of members, and with Andrew being #6, I could fulfill that as #7. On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I will like to be on the committee. I can be there Monday. And my membership is in good standing. Andy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be available monday afternoon as well. -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more p -- Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com peace and love ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
FYI Not coming to SH this evening to paint. Do not want to interfere with the floorplan committee meeting at 7pm. Will be able to come tomorrow and/or Wednesday afternoon to early evening. Good luck and happy compromising this evening! PPP On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok sounds good On Monday, February 10, 2014, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I think we are set for 7. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.comwrote: Did we decide on a time for tonight? On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look for my springloaded briefcase. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.comwrote: I think the 7 that have stepped up is a great group. Good representation of our needs and membership On Feb 9, 2014 11:57 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: FYI A casual search in the tubes using the search term ideal committee size reveals that a committee of 1 is the best, but 5 is an efficient number to get something done. More than five leads to excessive discussion and delayed decisions. Even numbers may result in a deadlock at voting time. I sincerely hope that the newly formed floorplan committee can meet and make a firm decision is under 2 hours. Start the meeting with a countdown timer on the table set for 2 hours. Assume the timer is hooked up to a briefcase full of over-stimulated Tribbles that it will open at the end of the countdown. With hope for some action, PPP On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.comwrote: I agree with Mike that way we can actually decide on something On Feb 9, 2014 8:33 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to be on the committee as well, and am available Monday evening for a meeting. I think it appropriate to have an uneven number of members, and with Andrew being #6, I could fulfill that as #7. On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I will like to be on the committee. I can be there Monday. And my membership is in good standing. Andy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be available monday afternoon as well. -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more p -- Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com peace and love ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com peace and love ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Are we meeting tomorrow? If so what time? I typically have Zumba on Mondays but I can play hookey if we decide to meet before 8:30pm On Feb 7, 2014 12:10 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Monday works for me how about 7pm? On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I will like to be on the committee. I can be there Monday. And my membership is in good standing. Andy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be available monday afternoon as well. -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I agree with Mike that way we can actually decide on something On Feb 9, 2014 8:33 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to be on the committee as well, and am available Monday evening for a meeting. I think it appropriate to have an uneven number of members, and with Andrew being #6, I could fulfill that as #7. On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I will like to be on the committee. I can be there Monday. And my membership is in good standing. Andy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be available monday afternoon as well. -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
FYI A casual search in the tubes using the search term ideal committee size reveals that a committee of 1 is the best, but 5 is an efficient number to get something done. More than five leads to excessive discussion and delayed decisions. Even numbers may result in a deadlock at voting time. I sincerely hope that the newly formed floorplan committee can meet and make a firm decision is under 2 hours. Start the meeting with a countdown timer on the table set for 2 hours. Assume the timer is hooked up to a briefcase full of over-stimulated Tribbles that it will open at the end of the countdown. With hope for some action, PPP On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with Mike that way we can actually decide on something On Feb 9, 2014 8:33 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to be on the committee as well, and am available Monday evening for a meeting. I think it appropriate to have an uneven number of members, and with Andrew being #6, I could fulfill that as #7. On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I will like to be on the committee. I can be there Monday. And my membership is in good standing. Andy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be available monday afternoon as well. -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
looks good On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I would also like to be on this committee. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
On Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:40:49 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android I can't make that due to SparkAK. I'm busy 'till Monday. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.comwrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
This week is bad for me next week is good. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I'm here now, but leaving in 30 mins to return around 9 tonight On Feb 6, 2014 4:30 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I can be down at Synhak at like 9 tonight On Feb 6, 2014 4:13 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I will be available monday afternoon as well. From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I will like to be on the committee. I can be there Monday. And my membership is in good standing. Andy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be available monday afternoon as well. -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out
