[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Also, in paragraph one above, why didn't e-gold/Omni just go with the if the password fits, tough tittie model? What went wrong? Please fill us in Viking! Well.. I'm not viking... but I'll still answer this. e-gold did go with the if the password fits rule and completed the spend as stated in their user agreement. However, when the gold reached omnipay, it was their decision as to what to do with that. At the time the CostaGold website stated something to the affect of Our account has been hacked... and our funds have been stolen The OmniPay user agreement allows them to not fill an order if they don't want to and return the gold. However because of the above stated, they put it into escrow. The OmniPay website does not allow an OutExchange of over 1 million but instead asks for the user to call as far as I know. It is suspicious that Costa did 10 outexchanges instead of calling OmniPay. It is also suspicious that Costa has not provided proper documents to claim the gold as of yet. You'd think that a million USD worth would be some motivation. Khurram Khan == 2 cents worth? http://two-cents-worth.com/?135153 _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
JPM wrote We await Viking's enlightenment! Jeesh... I was away from the computer for a few hours, and you're already impatiently calling for my reply? I usually do keep a close eye on this list, but I do have a life other than computers e-gold. At least, I try to pretend that I do. :) What the hell does CYA stand for again? Cover Your Ass seems to be a nice working definition for that TLA. Eric wrote If my company, Gaithmans, issues an outexchange request, then a scammer trys to claim he is me or my company and reroute the funds, does this mean that Omnipay will turn my funds over to an escrow account? If some scammer knew exactly when you did an OutExchange to Omnipay and then pulled off a grand indentity theft; of which you quickly found out about and re-asserted who you were, then probably yes. They probably would put the funds into escrow. How would you get them out? Provide hard validation (i.e. legal paper documents) of who you are. The problem wasn't that different people at Costa Gold were trying to get a check sent to different places. The problem was some people were trying to get money sent somewhere while other people were trying to get the order cancelled, and the gold put back into the account, while others were complaining that they had had an internal security breach. Why did someone at Omnipay even bother to listen to the second request if the first request had proper account passwords? One thing a lot of people seem to forget, or simply disregard, is the fact that e-gold ltd. and Omnipay are two completely separate companies. They have different, distinct user agreements. (Yes, I know that they are both owned by the same people.) The CYA manuever on Omnipay's part was to put the disputed funds into escrow. Would you want to be held responsible for giving $1 million to the wrong person and then getting sued by the right person? This was completely within Omnipay's user agreement. e-gold ltd. upheld their user agreement and transfered the gold without question to Omnipay's account. Omnipay then received multiple conflicting instructions on what to do with the gold. So they decided to sit and wait until everybody has decided on 1 clear instruction. All that Costa Gold has to do to claim the gold is prove who they are to Omnipay, and then give that instruction. This was never an e-gold issue. As I said above, e-gold transfered said gold without narry a thought to the contrary. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
All of what I said in the previous pose is what I gleaned from the following three documents. http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg01814.html http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/e-g-agree.htm http://www.omnipay.net/gsr-op-agree.htm Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
. All that Costa Gold has to do to claim the gold is prove who they are to Omnipay, and then give that instruction. So if I could prove I was Costa Gold I could get my grubby hands on a million bucks!! Almost worthwhile creating the paperwork. Nar...I like sleeping at night. Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Would you want to cash-out an account for over 1 million dollars without even getting a copy of the guy's driver's license? Why not, if the e-gold / cash is provably in there and available? Because the risk of being wrong is too great. I don't know how GSR reasoned this through, but the requirement for adequate identification on OutExchanges is in their user agreement, and has been since last summer. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Does this mean that in all this time, no one has made an attempt to provide ID? I'm curious about this. This is not the only case in which I have heard that money hasn't been released due to inadequate ID. How do you decide whether an ID is acceptable? I mean, is the ID matched against the information provided on the account holder's information with the e-gold account? It would seem to me that whoever is recorded on the account as the owner of said account is the only person's ID that should be required. If there is only one receiver of such a large amount of money, perhaps that person too, should be required to prove he/she is who he/she says he/she is :) It's hard to believe that in all this time, no one has been forthcoming in providing ID with all that money at stake, especially considering the interest it is drawing for someone else. Eve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SnowDog Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 6:27 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts Would you want to cash-out an account for over 1 million dollars without even getting a copy of the guy's driver's license? Why not, if the e-gold / cash is provably in there and available? Because the risk of being wrong is too great. I don't know how GSR reasoned this through, but the requirement for adequate identification on OutExchanges is in their user agreement, and has been since last summer. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
It would seem to me that whoever is recorded on the account as the owner of said account is the only person's ID that should be required. If there is only one receiver of such a large amount of money, perhaps that person too, should be required to prove he/she is who he/she says he/she is :) Costa Gold has made it clear, (from documents that I read on their website a few months ago), that they do not want to release any personal ID. They say they have provided incorporation documentation from the company, and that they have the right NOT to release personal information on any of their officers. This information can be found on their website here: http://www.costagold.com/members/main.htm (Then click on Costa Gold, the Real Story) It's hard to believe that in all this time, no one has been forthcoming in providing ID with all that money at stake, especially considering the interest it is drawing for someone else. However, it appears that they raised the money under conditions that might be considered illegal in the US, and it appears that the owners of the website ARE in the US. So perhaps they are a bit squeamish about being identified. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Douglas Adams -- dead!
hi Eve - the offer still stands! Absolutely - go right ahead. There have not yet been 3 people. Go for it! http://bananagold.com Just buy the book (whichever one you wish by D Adams) on Bananagold, and, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and they will completely refund the total amount of gold you paid! I hope you do ... Best, JP May Darn! Missed it by a day! LOL I wonder if we can use e-gold at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe? Eve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:01 PM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Douglas Adams -- dead! I can't believe Douglas Adams is dead! I believe he would have liked e-gold! The first three people, who have not used Banana before, to go to http://bananagold.com and buy the HITCHHIKERS GUIDE paperback, will get the order absolutely free. This is only for people who have NEVER USED Bananagold before. Tell a friend! Banana is this easy to use .. http://bananagold.com/wow.gif After you buy the book, email ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** and ask for your free refund. That's a TOTALLY, UTTERLY FREE copy of the late Douglas Adams classic...no trick. First three buyers - go for it. RIP Douglas Adams! I can't believe he's gone! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts (in the other sense)
Personally, if I was Costa Gold I'd just offer e-gold (Omnipay .. GSR .. whatever) a deal. Say, 90% and they're out. Omni picks up a hundred bills, COSTA get most of their loot, Omni loose the headache and COSTA don't have to give their names to the Secret Service. In all events, they must be fairly soft criminals if no-one on any side of the quadrangle has had the shit beaten out of them yet over the whole thing. (Or has this already happened? Bodies bobbing in the Hudson with tiny pyramids carved in their forheads? Slick Sam has no left side on his binary -- put a cap in his ass! says the big boss.) If that's the case (ie, if they are just pussy white collar criminals), Omni should just keep the whole thing, and use it to, say, fund the #%!@!$ programming for ads on spend page. Why not? There's no down side. That's my take! :) JP Costa Gold has made it clear, (from documents that I read on their website a few months ago), that they do not want to release any personal ID. They say they have provided incorporation documentation from the company, and that they have the right NOT to release personal information on any of their officers. This information can be found on their website here: http://www.costagold.com/members/main.htm (Then click on Costa Gold, the Real Story) It's hard to believe that in all this time, no one has been forthcoming in providing ID with all that money at stake, especially considering the interest it is drawing for someone else. However, it appears that they raised the money under conditions that might be considered illegal in the US, and it appears that the owners of the website ARE in the US. So perhaps they are a bit squeamish about being identified. SnowDog --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
THE GOLD ECONOMY COMES OF AGE! The gold economy is now at a stage where some formality and set standards of operation are necessary to carry it forward into the big time. Over the past 5 years the gold economy has grown from a fledgling e-gold pioneered by two lawyers with a vision to an ever-expanding economy with more and more market makers, at least three gold suppliers, a host of merchants and many other associated businesses on the fringes and with a multi million dollar yearly turn over! There are currently about 20 Market Makers, Exchange Providers Cambios (MMs, SPs Cams) operating in the arena and it is now time to bring them under one umbrella and not only give them the support they deserve but help them to provide a standard of operation for their clients of which they can be proud. This does not mean that their individuality and style or even their pricing structure or the healthy competitive spirit they enjoy will change. Quite the contrary. It will lend them the support against fraud they need, give them the status they have earned and provide a reliable source of business through the eCurrency Trade Association (eCTA) web site they desire. It will also satisfy the expectation of the public for a standard of ethical behavior and operation they can rely on. The Pioneering days are now over, the gold economy is an established fact and with over a million dollars a day turnover it is time to move to the next stage. This will be the eCurrency Trade Association Inc. The Purposes of the eCurrency Trade Association include: Provide and maintain a professional standard of ethics guidelines for the eCurrency and gold economy within which each member can operate securely and their rights may be protected in order to service their clients and customers and the gold economy effectively. Promote and maintain the highest professional standards of business practice among it's members Maintain a high standard of entry to the Association. All MMs, SPs Cams will be invited to apply for membership of the Association and to receive accreditation to demonstrate their bona fide status. The application will be stringent and only those who pass the application and the inspection of the Board of Directors will receive their accreditation. This application will need to be applied for on an annual basis. New customers and existing clients will then have their expectations met when they seek to find an MM or SP or Cam whom they can securely trust to provide the standard of service they are looking for. They will be able to find accredited members on the eCurrency Trade Associations (eCTA) web site, currently being developed, or alternatively look for the Seal of Accreditation on their existing providers site and, if that Seal is not present, perhaps seek a site which CAN display the Seal. The Association has also included a purpose to seek out and expose scammers and those who intend to commit fraudulent acts within the gold economy With the combined weight of the members as well as affiliated businesses and contacts with the authorities, considerable success is expected in this quarter. The advent of the eCTA in the gold economy will be a boon for all. Market Makers, Exchange Providers, Cambios, Gold Suppliers, Merchants, Service Providers and Clients alike. It will set the future standard for the gold economy and will provide a criteria by which the economy can be judged and respected by the mainstream. Customers will be able to confidently pick the Market Maker, Exchange Provider or Cambio of their choice knowing they have been carefully screened, have come up shining and have a Seal of Accreditation to show for it. The Market Makers, Exchange Providers Cambios will have an association that supports them and gives them a status of respectability that encourages more business their way and finally, the Gold Suppliers will see an economy satisfactorily and stably expanding into the future mainstream. This is what we mean when we say ... The Gold Economy Comes Of Age! Michael Moore Vice President (Pro Tem) for the Board of Directors of the eCurrency Trade Association Inc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: live by password, die by password
[snip] If e-gold IS, in fact, HARD money, and he who controls the password owns the contents...why did Omnipay turn funds over to an escrow account when an [snip] If I recall correctly multiple people had the password and omnipay once receiving the funds had multiple orders of where to send the same money. Omnipay has it's own policies, it is not E-Gold. If an employee of mine happend to get his hands on my passphrase, they could send omnipay an order to cut him a check. If I caught it in time I could stop that from happening by proving to omnipay that I owned those funds and the transfer was fraudulent. That was all that was required in the case we are discussing. Show proof of ownership. The reason the money had to go in escrow is because these folks were operating a scam and in no way wanted to provide proof of identity. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: live by password, die by password
If I caught it in time I could stop that from happening by proving to omnipay that I owned those funds and the transfer was fraudulent This is why it is so important to be available to customers! A few months ago, someone I know tried frantically to reach someone, anyone, at e-gold the moment he discovered funds missing from his account. The funds disappeared early on a Sunday, GMT, so there was still time, a chance to keep the funds from being delivered to anyone else the next business day! But noodespite his efforts, mine, and others, we could not reach anyone by phone or email, nor were our emails answered for several days. By then, it was too late. That's the one area of weakness I've noted in e-gold/GSR or whoever is responsible. However, I hasten to add, I have seen improvement lately, and I have had good service from Omnipay. Customer Service is one of the areas in which OsGold excels. Sure, they're smaller, so that might be why they can respond so quickly, but if they keep it up, they'll continue to have happy customers. Eve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vince Callaway Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:28 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: live by password, die by password [snip] If e-gold IS, in fact, HARD money, and he who controls the password owns the contents...why did Omnipay turn funds over to an escrow account when an [snip] If I recall correctly multiple people had the password and omnipay once receiving the funds had multiple orders of where to send the same money. Omnipay has it's own policies, it is not E-Gold. If an employee of mine happend to get his hands on my passphrase, they could send omnipay an order to cut him a check. If I caught it in time I could stop that from happening by proving to omnipay that I owned those funds and the transfer was fraudulent. That was all that was required in the case we are discussing. Show proof of ownership. The reason the money had to go in escrow is because these folks were operating a scam and in no way wanted to provide proof of identity. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: live by password, die by password
This is why it is so important to be available to customers! A few months ago, someone I know tried frantically to reach someone, anyone, at e-gold the moment he discovered funds missing from his account. The funds disappeared early on a Sunday, GMT, so there was still time, a chance to keep the funds from being delivered to anyone else the next business day! But noodespite his efforts, mine, and others, we could not reach anyone by phone or email, nor were our emails answered for several days. By then, it was too late. Unfortunately, even if you had reached E-Gold immediately, it probably wouldn't have helped. There is a subtle difference in these two cases. With Costa Gold, someone had sent the e-gold to OmniPay, which allows themselves some flexibility to make subjective decisions. E-gold, however, does not lock accounts unless they suspect that the account was involved in a direct security breech of the e-gold accounting system. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] New Zealand reference !
What the Helldo you think you are saying here? Ohio in 1982, which is highly suspicious. The website is located in New Zealand, which is another sure sign of fraud. You are obviously a complete dick for making such idiotic statements. Lin Ronald NEW ZEALAND that is NEW ZEALANDthe least corrupt country in the world according to Time Magazine --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: not hyips -- casinos!
thegoldcasino.com is top notch... best thing is that you can withdraw winnings at any time back to your egold account, no bullshit! as with all legit casinos, while you can win, you are most likely to lose in the long run... better own a casino than be a customer :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:22:36 +1000 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] not hyips -- casinos! I've never gambled in an actual casino, though I know of people who did. I've done my gambling online, and have made quite a few winnings. Just yesterday, I got a survey bonus of $5.00, gambled with my system in craps and raised that t0 $14.53. Withdrew $10.00 and waiting for the next bonus. I doubled my money in 3 decisions in craps. Of course, I could have lost, too. And there are times when I do lose. But what the heck? I've been playing with free money. Gerry Well Gerry, I urge you to play at THE GOLD CASINO, which MY COMPANY PROGRAMMED!!! http://thegoldcasino.com --- it's excellent. It actually works IN GOLD, ie, you bet centigrams of gold and so on. Hundreds of thousands of hands played, excellent customer services, a year or more in trouble-free operation. It's a quality operation! I play there myself all the time, although, I usually lose. Good luck! -- JP --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] VW Online
Don't forget at http://www.vw-online.co.uk you can buy, with e-gold Limited edition: Baseball Caps Ladies Skinny T-Shirts Mens T-Shirts Embroidered Beanie Hats Check 'em out Thanks Geoff --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Cheap Adult hosting, paid by Egold
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[e-gold-list] Re: New Zealand reference !
What the Helldo you think you are saying here? Ohio in 1982, which is highly suspicious. The website is located in New Zealand, which is another sure sign of fraud. You are obviously a complete dick for making such idiotic statements. You misread what he was saying. He was siting an example of what would NOT be suspicious. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
In a message dated 5/15/01 11:49:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: e-gold did go with the "if the password fits" rule and completed the spend as stated in their user agreement. However, when the gold reached omnipay, it was their decision as to what to do with that. At the time the CostaGold website stated something to the affect of "Our account has been hacked... and our funds have been stolen" Not quite..The Outexchange was completed on March 16th (a Friday). Costa Gold was unable to reach anyone at Omnipay until Tuesday, March 20th. NO PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT was made by Costa Gold on their website until several days later. Costa Gold DID "announce" the hack in an email to the membership on March 21st, but Omnipay did not take their action as a result of any announcement by Costa Gold. The OmniPay user agreement allows them to not fill an order if they don't want to and return the gold. However because of the above stated, they put it into escrow. Not quite.Omnipay put it into escrow for two reasons. First, it involved 10 transactions of $110,000 each to the same US bank account. Omnipay was in the process of requesting verification of the request because they felt it was "suspicious." Second, it was during this process that Omnipay was contacted by the "real" Costa Gold and the conflicting info came to light. The OmniPay website does not allow an OutExchange of over 1 million but instead asks for the user to call as far as I know. It is suspicious that Costa did 10 outexchanges instead of calling OmniPay. It is also suspicious that Costa has not provided proper documents to claim the gold as of yet. You'd think that a million USD worth would be some motivation. Costa Gold DID provide documentation. Then Omnipay requested additional info which, if provided, would have violated the law in Costa Gold's country of incorporation.result? A standoff which exists to this day. Michael --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Snowdog writes: Would you want to cash-out an account for over 1 million dollars without even getting a copy of the guy's driver's license? IF this were a requirement for OPENING and MAINTAINING an account..yes. Since it isn't, no. Michael --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Would you want to cash-out an account for over 1 million dollars without even getting a copy of the guy's driver's license? IF this were a requirement for OPENING and MAINTAINING an account..yes. Since it isn't, no. It is an Omnipay requirement, and has been since last summer. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldchanger
Please don't send us cash! Postal workers don't get paid enough! John@GC Ben Legume wrote: I sure hope nothing has happened to goldchanger!! I got some e-gold credited from them about a week ago, with some more due any day now (I have to wait for the cheques to clear). Then again, if your customer sent payment in cash, there's always the danger it could be stolen by post office staff. New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Snowdog writes: Would you want to cash-out an account for over 1 million dollars without even getting a copy of the guy's driver's license? Michael IF this were a requirement for OPENING and MAINTAINING an account..yes. Since it isn't, no. People, Get this through your thick skulls; e-gold ltd. Omnipay are SEPARATE companies with DISTINCT user agreements. You don't need to prove identity to create an e-gold account. However, Omnipay has decided that before they will exchange large amounts of gold for fiat cash they will know who you are. Is there a market maker out there who would take $1 million dollars worth of gold and cash it out after receiving multiple conflicting orders as well as reports of an internal security breach? Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldchanger and Holidays
Terry, Whoa there! I have not stopped taking payments from any customers unless directed by court order. As for the Secret service, they are just after frauds, not e-gold. Brian Lambert requested info from me via court order, and I complied. I would like to see the crooks get busted too. I consider the Secret Service to be on my side in this case. John Terry Adams wrote: Hello, As strange as it might sound, yes, there's a Secret Service involved. During last couple of weeks Goldchanger and E-Gold have been contacted by Secret Service and required to reveal information about a number accounts. This is supposedly due to the investigation by Secret Service. A number of payments has been taken away from Goldchanger, they have been asked to cooperate and turn over future suspicious payments to Secret Service. Of course they complied, having the raid similiar to the one that happened to Gold-Age as alternative is not much of an option. Probably the payment you're talking about failed into suspicious definition so your customer may kiss his money good bye. Or maybe Jon Eichin (excuse if I misspeled the name) cares to provide his point of view on this. Secret Service also asked E-gold to reveal information about number of accounts which were consequently closed. So much about their TOS and only restricting incoming payments to suspicious accounts, this is not a case here. Accounts have been closed and permamently deleted from the system. The Secret Service agent in charge here is: Special Agent Brian S. Lambert United States Secret Service Electronic Crimes Task Force Phone: 212-637-5398 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Non believers may want to contact agent Lambert for explanation, you'll see that this story is very much true. It appears that E-Gold and market makers recently became a target for Secret Service. This is the one very good reason why true offshore companies like Goldmoney or OSgold are gaining more and more parts of this market. E-Gold was supposed to be privacy (not anonymity tho') but from the point they started to cooperate with Secret Service this is no longer true. Being offshore company with physical presence and computer equipment in United States means basicaly nothing. Or maybe someone from E-Gold cares to comment on this? This is an insider information, believe it or not. Terry Or has he been hit by the Secret Service too ? One of my Clients sent him some cash 20 days ago and is still waiting his account to be credited. He sent 2 emails, the first 7 days ago, and is still waiting a reply ! And so of course, the client doesn't pay us, as his account isn't funded ! GREAT, goldchanger ! MC -- Mariman Center www.mariman.net WebHosting - WebDesign --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
In a message dated 5/16/01 10:42:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get this through your thick skulls; e-gold ltd. Omnipay are SEPARATE companies with DISTINCT user agreements "Welcome to the Hotel California".you can check in, but you can never leave." One of the tenants of international contract law is that in addition to the "written word," there be a CLEAR UNDERSTANDING between the parties as to the "intent" of the agreement. Omnipay and E-Gold may be "separate entities" with "separate and distinct operating agreements," but they go out of their way to obfuscate this situation in the way they represent themselves to the public. Now I ask you, what is the efficacy of a system that represents to it's potential clients the "privacy" factor of it's operation, only to have it's premier MarketMaker act in a way totally contrary to that understanding? What about the principle of reciprocity? If a password is all that is necessary to affect an Outexchange from E-Gold, why should the entity that is processing that valid request question it? And, finally, IF the Marketmaker has doubts about the Outexchange, why not simply refuse it and refer it back to E-Gold? Why all the "demands" for "additional information" and "disclosure" AFTER "seizing" the money? (And, please, spare me the argument that Omnipay didn't seize the money, e-gold did, for if that were the case, Omnipay wouldn't be leading the effort to get disclosure of the info, e-gold would.) Michael --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Any Maples today?
Hi all. I'm going to get my Maples from KIAC, and I've already clicked them the e-gold. Thanks for the replies. Some of you may have experienced bounced mail to me in the last day or two, if so please re-send, as (I think) my ISP has finally fixed the problem. I don't know if all the emails bounced, or if some of them went into a black hole, so if in doubt please re-send and I'll try to get to you. Apologies for any delayed responses. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldchanger ? SCAM or ... ?
Come on guys. I've been around longer than any other market maker. Where's the love? Hey John! Long-time, no-see! I have to take issue with that 'longer-than' statement. If I remember correctly, Graham started selling e-gold in either late 1999, or January 2000. Parker started selling e-gold in Jan 2000. Sam McKee started selling it in Feb. 2000, and I started selling e-gold on Feb. 16, 2000. You were just the first one to get a 'special' place on the e-gold website. :) Craig Haynie GoldDirectory.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Now I ask you, what is the efficacy of a system that represents to it's potential clients the privacy factor of it's operation, only to have it's premier MarketMaker act in a way totally contrary to that understanding? Privacy? Where do you get that? There is nothing in Omnipay's privacy policy that allows anonymous transactions. What about the principle of reciprocity? If a password is all that is necessary to affect an Outexchange from E-Gold, why should the entity that is processing that valid request question it? It's in their User Agreement. And, finally, IF the Marketmaker has doubts about the Outexchange, why not simply refuse it and refer it back to E-Gold? Why all the demands for additional information and disclosure AFTER seizing the money? (And, please, spare me the argument that Omnipay didn't seize the money, e-gold did, for if that were the case, Omnipay wouldn't be leading the effort to get disclosure of the info, e-gold would.) This is the only point you make that I think is debatable. It seems to me that OmniPay did make some subjective decisions here. However, that's what the court system is for: resolving disputes between people. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Michael wrote Welcome to the Hotel California.you can check in, but you can never leave. How do we go from 1 instance of somebody not willing to claim their money to saying that it is impossible to get cash out of e-gold? One of the tenants of international contract law is that in addition to the written word, there be a CLEAR UNDERSTANDING between the parties as to the intent of the agreement. How was that violated here? Omnipay and E-Gold may be separate entities with separate and distinct operating agreements, but they go out of their way to obfuscate this situation in the way they represent themselves to the public. How are they are going out of their way to obfuscate the fact that the are separate companies? Now I ask you, what is the efficacy of a system that represents to it's potential clients the privacy factor of it's operation, only to have it's premier MarketMaker act in a way totally contrary to that understanding? Omnipay is an independent company and can do whatever it feels like doing. What about the principle of reciprocity? If a password is all that is necessary to affect an Outexchange from E-Gold, why should the entity that is processing that valid request question it? The possibility of having a lawsuit filed against them if they end up following the instructions given to them by the wrong people. Remember this whole situation is about there being no clue as to who the real Costa Gold is. Omnipay was receiving multiple conflicting instructions from the same place. And, finally, IF the Marketmaker has doubts about the Outexchange, why not simply refuse it and refer it back to E-Gold? NO! It is not e-gold's responsibility. e-gold ltd. did exactly what is was supposed to do. They transferred the gold from Costa Gold to Omnipay. That is the sum total of e-gold's duties in this matter. When Omnipay had doubts about the outexchange, they refused it. However, they were also told that there had been an internal security breach. Therefore they couldn't just give the gold back, because they didn't know who would get it; back to the whole lawsuit issue. It was then put into escrow until somebody would step foward and provide the validation to claim it. (And, please, spare me the argument that Omnipay didn't seize the money, e-gold did, for if that were the case, Omnipay wouldn't be leading the effort to get disclosure of the info, e-gold would.) (I wrote in an ealier post) This was never an e-gold issue. As I said above, e-gold transfered said gold without narry a thought to the contrary. How, in all of creation, did you get from what I said to e-gold seized the money? Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Viking Coder You don't need to prove identity to create an e-gold account. However, Omnipay has decided that before they will exchange large amounts of gold for fiat cash they will know who you are. Does this mean that if I want to redeem a 400 oz. bar of gold (if I have that much in my e-gold account) I don't need to prove identity? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Does this mean that if I want to redeem a 400 oz. bar of gold (if I have that much in my e-gold account) I don't need to prove identity? You don't do redemptions through Omnipay. How are you supposed to receive the gold bar if you won't provide your identity? I haven't had enough spare cash lying around that I could get a 400oz. bar of gold because I felt like testing the redemption system. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Samuel Mc Kee wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Viking Coder You don't need to prove identity to create an e-gold account. However, Omnipay has decided that before they will exchange large amounts of gold for fiat cash they will know who you are. Does this mean that if I want to redeem a 400 oz. bar of gold (if I have that much in my e-gold account) I don't need to prove identity? You need to keep a valid snail-mail address and phone number in your e-gold account (according to the user agreement), which is used amongst other things when mailing you the gold. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Your experience with Cash Cards?
Hello, I've been thinking in getting a Cash Card (www.cashcards.net), but I would like to know the experience of a member before signing up. Thanks in advance for any information. Kind regards, Alexis Golzman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mastercrypt.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Western Union QuickPay......
Unfortunately the US government seemed rather scared of this system that allowed people to transfer their money easily into a real free market... Specifically, I attended the Shorex Offshore Conference in Monaco in 1997 when Western Union just launched Quickpay and were keen to promote it to the offshore industry. Later they set up offshore banks (including Paritate Bank, Latvia and Swiss American Bank, Antigua) with Quickpay. Subsequently, both these accounts - and Omnipay's I believe - were cancelled by WU, presumably under pressure from Big Brother. offshoresurfer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 May 2001 21:33 Subject: [e-gold-list] Western Union QuickPay.. Awhile ago E-gold used to allow payments into the system via WU Quickpay, which is international costs like $8.50 and allows people to pay you up to $5,000 within 15 minutes.(WU then deposits the money into your bank account(no fees or percentages taken out), but there aren't any risks like with checks (and even money orders) Anyway, now that there are numerous market makers, none of them offer this. This would be an easy way for people to fund their accounts and the market makers could fund them in like 1/2 hour..provided they were online etc. Have any of you market makers tried to get an account and WU denied you? Have any of you not bothered/tried to offer the quickpay option?? Why not? Thanks. Mike I figure Possibly, western union could be trying to rail against things which might take away the need for their over-priced international wire(gold currencies etc.)? Or the market makers just haven't tried to offer this option --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Business Express
Why don't all you MM guys solve this whole problem by stating on your websites if and when ID will be required? I think you have every right to ask for ID to protect yourselves, but you also have to respect that account holders have every right to make anonymous transactions just like when dealing in cash. If you state on your websites clearly upfront that you will require ID for certain transactions, fine. If you take people's money then ask for ID afterwards of course they will be upset and rightly so. If everyone provides open information then the free market can function efficiently. offshoresurfer - Original Message - From: Eric J. Gaither [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2001 18:24 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Business Express Norman, I am not sure if your situation has been resolved yet, so please tolerate my unsolicited insight. I personally know Dean Gutch of B.E. Dean is a fair and professional businessman. I highly doubt he would risk his business and reputation over $230.48 (wire transfer). It sounds as if he is simply following good established business practices. Most of us Market Makers have been plagued by a recent scam involving individuals who lurk about on the auctions sites claiming to sell goods. When a buyer wins, the crook then directs them to send the money to one of the MM's. The crook then opens a free e-gold account and free e-mail account under the victim's name. This information is then sent to the MM to fund this e-gold account. When the payment arrives, the details match, the account is funded and the buyer loses his money. It sounds like Business Express was simply asking you to verify your identity: that I must fax them my photo ID. I refused that because of privacy reasons and asked them to return me my money instead of funding my e-gold account. Refusing to validate your identity would also make ME question your motives. I have yet to have a *single* client refuse to provide proper ID to claim a payment. IF you were concerned about your privacy in the first place, I would recommend a currency such as Standard Reserve or OSGold, not e-gold. This due to recent actions by the Secret Service and Postal Inspectors who appear to be very interested in the goings on of e-gold as of late. (A major Market Maker was arrested and computer equipment seized a few months ago. It is my understanding he has not been charged...but his equipment has not been returned.) Please understand that the very nature of our business (exchanging *soft money* for *hard money*) means the onus of knowing the endorser is on our shoulders at ALL TIMES. If you scam Business Express, B.E. has no recourse. E-gold, Ltd. and GSR have publicly stated (as well as in their User Agreeme nts) they will not intervene in such cases with out a court order. I can personally testify to the time and expense involved in obtaining such orders. (My last one took FOUR MONTHS and has cost so far $1878.68 USD) I would have asked you to do the same thing B.E. did. If you buy from Gaithmans, we WILL verify your identity. Period. I have lost several thousands of dollars in the past to people who claimed they were privacy oriented, only to find out they were not the people they claimed to be. My Drill Instructor in Boot Camp always said it best: Gaithman..you piece of worm excrement, I turned my back for 30 seconds and you fall asleep STANDING UP in my formation! Trick me once, shame on you! Trick me twice, and I am a bigger worm turd than you for thinking I could trust you! Get down in the FRONT LEANING REST position and let me see you fall asleep THERE! My point...we (MM's) have relaxed our policies in the past just to find ourselves out $$$. I, personally, do not want to be a big worm turd anymore. I am sure Dean would not either, hence, the request for proper identification for funds. I doubt your bank would let you withdraw $230.48 (wire transfer) without proper ID. Dean's and my company simply ask the same for our protection and that of our clients. I understand your concerns for privacy. I understand your frustrations with the response (or lack of) that you received. Please understand we are at war with criminals, thief's, and ID crooks everyday. We MUST know our endorser. It has become the staple of our existence. By the way, if you will not verify your identity to B.E., how do they know you sent the wire in the first place? I can easily obtain a transaction code, payment history, and a few other pertinent details and convince them I am YOU. Would it be fair for them to turn the funds over to me? Please visit Gaithmans Fraud Prevention page to learn how to protect yourself and your hard earned money in today's crime filled world. If your not careful, you may loose your identity altogether to a
[e-gold-list] Re: Western Union QuickPay......
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the US government seemed rather scared of this system that allowed people to transfer their money easily into a real free market... Specifically, I attended the Shorex Offshore Conference in Monaco in 1997 when Western Union just launched Quickpay and were keen to promote it to the offshore industry. Later they set up offshore banks (including Paritate Bank, Latvia and Swiss American Bank, Antigua) with Quickpay. Subsequently, both these accounts - and Omnipay's I believe - were cancelled by WU, presumably under pressure from Big Brother. They must be smeggin' *terrified* of e-gold. Infinitely faster than WU, scales better both up and down, offshore, unreported, and not even based in the pleasantly controllable dollar economy. Ain't squat Mr Greenspan can do about the price of gold without actually releasing honest physical gold into the market. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Now taking Exchanges for Standard Reserve at 3%
I have had lots of customers asking me so now I am taking exchanges for Standard Reserve, I have $5k available to the first orders that come in The fee for any amount is 3% I will take all methods found on the fastgold site except western union is 10% If your interested just submit the order as if you were purchasing egold, and place your standard reserve account there instead. James Shupperd Money to Gold, and Gold to Money. Service you deserve and the SPEED you require www.fastgold.net Stay informed about all the latest egold investments, games, and scams. BE INFORMED!!! http://www.e-told.com/?157585 for all of your internet shopping needs visit my mall www.multiplexmall.com/js1460 Notify me of any purchases made at my mall, and I will give you a rebate in GOLD You can't go wrong with this program http://www.holdings4gold.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?refID=243828 God Bless You and Yours, James Shupperd Contact me anytime ICQ # 99212386 Aol Instant Messenger: James Shupperd yahoo messengershupperd_james PaLTalk James_CA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Redeeming E-Gold
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Viking Coder Does this mean that if I want to redeem a 400 oz. bar of gold (if I have that much in my e-gold account) I don't need to prove identity? You don't do redemptions through Omnipay. Exactly my point. E-Gold itself is supposed to be redeemable, independent of any interaction with any market-maker. That's what makes E-Gold E-Gold. How are you supposed to receive the gold bar if you won't provide your identity? This is really the week for people trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say I wouldn't provide my identity. I said I didn't want to _prove_ my identity with a driver's license or other BB-issued document. The name and address I provided when I opened the account should be enough. For the record I disavow responsibility for any statement attributed to me that I never actually said. Jesus. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldchanger ? SCAM or ... ?
Craig, Maybe I should have said official market maker. The one that started taking checks when e-gold stopped taking them. You are right about the other guys though. They were pioneers. John SnowDog wrote: Come on guys. I've been around longer than any other market maker. Where's the love? Hey John! Long-time, no-see! I have to take issue with that 'longer-than' statement. If I remember correctly, Graham started selling e-gold in either late 1999, or January 2000. Parker started selling e-gold in Jan 2000. Sam McKee started selling it in Feb. 2000, and I started selling e-gold on Feb. 16, 2000. You were just the first one to get a 'special' place on the e-gold website. :) Craig Haynie GoldDirectory.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Now taking Exchanges for Standard Reserve at 3%
- Original Message - From: shupperd1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have had lots of customers asking me so now I am taking exchanges for Standard Reserve, I have $5k available to the first orders that come in The fee for any amount is 3% I will take all methods found on the fastgold site except western union is 10% If your interested just submit the order as if you were purchasing egold, and place your standard reserve account there instead. James, be very careful with this! It would be very easy to pay the wrong person (account). E-gold accounts have the same account number structure, thus if someone gives you acc# 164789 for a transaction, it could be for e-gold or SR and the accounts would almost certainly have different owners. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] New Zealand
Has anyone ever heard the statement 'As thick as two short New Zealanders'? Ohio in 1982, which is highly suspicious. The website is located in New Zealand, which is another sure sign of fraud. You are obviously a complete dick for making such idiotic statements. Lin Ronald NEW ZEALAND that is NEW ZEALANDthe least corrupt country in the world according to Time Magazine Yeah, well we all know who runs Time, don't we? (Hint: The CIA). New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
