[e-gold-list] Hep with Indonesian order translation
I just received an order from Indonesia, and unlike the many that I get from there wanting to use a credit card despite my saying I do not take them from there, this one is using e-Gold. Well that is acceptable to me, and I will ship anywhere for e-Gold, so I went about getting the order ready, but then I ran into a problem. There was a message on the order, but I have no idea what it says. I'm assuming that it is in Indonesian, but don't know for sure. If anyone can help me translate the following short note, I would be grateful. Message : : Ini benar benar bisa dibeli pake E-Gold PT. SINAR BERLIAN SEJAHTERA Thanks, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold vs. credit cards - updated comparison calculator
>this page at the e-gold site has been recently updated: > >http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/cc.htm > >plug in your own numbers and see what the output looks like. Not good. Plugged in last years figures and came out losing $14 to $16 dollars depending on the outexchange amount. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold - How does it avoid Paypal problems?
>While we're on the topic, how does e-gold make their money? Is it on >the transaction fees alone or do they do something old-fashioned and >bank-ish like make loans against the reserves? They make a large part on the storage fee I would say. The transfer fee is low, but may also add up to a fairly sizable chunk with volume. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Jewelry in the e-gold market
At 10:41 PM 4/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > Is this the extent of the e-gold economy? > >How did you run your queries? Here are some queries I ran on Google.com, >back in January: Don't forget (Jewelry "e-gold") There are only 1160 listed and while most are bogus, there are a few jewelers out there. I have also been toying with a line of e-gold themed jewelry. Is there any call for that? Cheers, Paul Ewing --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Still down or forever down??
I made a spend today and also have had some progeny created over the last couple days. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers than many countries? See http://www.gold.org/Gra/Gra1.htm and the e-gold Examiner at http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html for details.
[e-gold-list] Re: ...will e-gold become mainstream?...
>Therefore the only really safe way for market makers to sell e-gold is the >kind of money transfer which is initiated by the customer. If you go to >the bank and initiate a wire transfer, you won't be able to go back later >and say it was done without your permission. In most countries with decent >internet banking (not the USA, where about all you can do is check >balances) you can make at least domestic transfers if not international >transfers from within internet banking systems. ... >I think this is the way to go for any entrepreneurs out there who want to >sell e-gold online in real time. I think it's reasonable to assume that >most people who want to use e-gold will already have some form of online >access to their bank accounts (is it??) so you need to work with major >banks to create an e-gold purchasing interface that takes people directly >to their own bank where they can initiate the transfer to the bank's >satisfaction. Some of this is almost in place. Currently I can go to Wells Fargo and withdraw cash from one of my accounts and deposit it in Gaithmans account at Wells and get e-gold in a day or less. Takes me about 30 minutes to get to the car, drive to the bank, stand in line, and drive home. All we need is a way for me to do the same online. Technically there is no reason not to. I can transfer money instantly between all my accounts currently, you are just extending it to transfering the money to someone else's account. I guess I'll send a request to the bank to have them add that, but I'm not sure if they would not have some regulation preventing it. Also would this be a real cash transfer, or be seen as a check type transaction by the MM? Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers than many countries? See http://www.gold.org/Gra/Gra1.htm and the e-gold Examiner at http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html for details.
[e-gold-list] Re: What happens with the Golden Raffle?
>It's well known within the online gaming industry that online raffles and >lottos do not work. I'm really sorry to tell you this news! > >People have spent *millions of dollars* developing and marketing online >raffles, and then gotten lke "5" entries. > >*millions of dollars* > >It's sad, but true, Alexis. I wasn't lying to you the first time! :) Well unless you can come up with an angle like Tara's raffle has done. One dollar to play and a free pic for your ticket. Now if see has it set up to send a random pic with each play that would probably increase the number of tickets sold. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke & mouse- click "sniffing" trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Re: Who the heck is Desmond Wong?
>>Hi! How are you? >> >>I send you this file in order to have your advice >> >>See you later. Thanks > >with attachment .."P Weekly.xls.pif" That is the current worm that is going around. Delete them quick, don't use Outlook, etc. It seems to be doing a pretty good number on the general internet communications for the last week or so. Be aware, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke & mouse- click "sniffing" trojan viri? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Praise for Gaithmans and revision of my thoughts on e-gold commerce
Well, I'll use my second message today to praise Gaithmans Gold Nation. I had my first dealing with a Market Maker yesterday afternoon and it went great. I was able to do a cash deposit and get my e-gold account funded this morning. I'll also include this bit so I will still have a message to reply to something else today: e-gold e-Commerce My experience with Gaithmans helps soothe one of my biggest problems with e-gold or any of the GBC that I have seen for e-commerce, which is the delay and expense of funding an account. It is harder to sell to a new customer if they can't complete the purchase in one logical step. It is similar to the problem with PayPal where the user checks out, but then has to set up another account and fill in the same information and more just to pay. The figures that I have heard is that 50% of shoppers will abandon their carts when they have to set up a PayPal account to pay for their purchase. I would assume that the percentage is higher for e-gold since there is much more time and expense involved in the setup and funding of an account. If Market Makers can fund accounts in a day or two at most there is still the chance of getting impulse shoppers, but until then the GBC commerce uses are limited to people who already have funded accounts. Hopefully the European MM's and others that offer direct cash deposits also offer as good of service as Gaithmans. If so I might be able to point some of my European customers to them instead of bothering with bank wires and such. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: the full story
>Two places to fear: > >- the EU, because they are a bunch of tax-happy reds, who are pushing to >wipe out tax havens and "harmonize" everyone's taxes. > >- the USA, because it wants to tax worldwide income, and so must snoop >worldwide. I don't think the USA is much different from any other major country in that regard. The reason I left Australia was for tax reasons. I loved it there, but I only stayed 21 days of one tax year and 176 days of the next tax year. If I had stayed more than six months in a single tax year, 1 July to 30 June, would have been taxed at their outrageous rates on all of my income worldwide. Even though my main salary was paid by my US company to me in my US bank accounts. They would even have taxed my personal businesses that were not even active in Australia. Not that I don't still like the country. It is on the top of my list of places to expat to if I do get fed up with the US or decide to retire. In fact I have a standing invitation to come work for the group I was assigned to while I was then. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix News
> > I've been looking at Pecunix. But I don't think that the group does > > everything to look serious to potential investor like me. > >Obviously not a very experienced or knowledgable potential investor. It depends on if you mean experienced with the OTC BB stock scams that were running rampant during the dot com boom days. The Pecunix hype, sorry mean prospectus, sound just like the dozens of penny stock junk mail I get every week. If they are to be taken seriously then they need to present themselves that way, not rely on hype. > > I don't know the regulations of the Security Exchange commisions in > > New Zealand, but here in Canada and to a lesser degree in the USA as > > well, a public junior company listed on our exchanges would be asked > > to remove this publicity immediately. > >What have the SEC in NZ, Canada or USA to do with this share offer? >This appears to be a PPO out of Panama. The SEC guidelines, while not the best, are there to keep the worst of the stock scams out of their respective markets. If you buy something that doesn't bother with following them, in fact tries to put themselves outside of most of their jurisdiction then it is buyer beware. >In their consolidated income statement, Pecunix shows 10 million in >earnings for year 2. This would give a PE ratio of about 40 - 50 at the >figures you quote above. That is a VERY reasonable PE ratio for a high >growth industry company. Talk to all the people who believed that a couple years ago. If they didn't dump their shares on some other sucker before the bust they now understand what reasonable PE ratios are. > > That rate of return is 3300% in two years. Can > > you explain to me how they will do that? > >All you need to do is educate yourself. Many tech stocks gave much >higher returns in shorter time during the "bubble". This is not not an >unreasonable figure. Remember, the share price IN NO WAY reflects the >value of the company once the shares trade freely on a public exchange. >They merely reflect the investors' PERCIEVED VALUE of the company. Well if all this hype is true you shouldn't be having to hawk this stock on this board. Institutions should be lining up to take all that you can give them. So how's the road show going? Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: (very) rapidly increasing professionalism of GBC universe
> > Look at the professionalism of graphic design of > > > > http://www.goldbankone.com/article.php?sid=123&mode=nested&order=0 > > > > and > > > > http://www.gaithmans.com > > > > This is the sort of professionalism that we are now coming to see in > > the GBC and ERE universe. Fantastic! > > > >Lets not forget http://www.xivix.net and http://www.exchangeprovider.net. Well three out of those four are using basic PHP-Nuke templates which is a nice enough look, but is getting very familiar on the web currently. I do like the Gaithmans site. It is fairly easy to navigate with the basic L-navigation, but at just over 66k the front page is on the big size. I think that the available payment options should be more easily seen than they are. I did a quick look when the site was announced, but didn't see that they took direct cash deposits on major banks in the US. After doing a site check, I found that I can walk down the block to the Wells Fargo and make a deposit and save the $10 wire fee! Makes it much more convenient to move smaller amounts into the system. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: cool article
>And here's a worthy charity .. > >http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrassel/?id=95000803 > >I'll donate two ounces of gold if anyone can contact and/or organize the >farmers in question (or some relevant body supporting the farmers) and set >up a fund for them. > >Not a charity fund...just a prize for being so cool. Maybe buy them a new >set of bolt cutters. I wonder if they sell bolt cutters on Amazon? I would donate to them as well. If they keep this up for long they'll need to refill their oxy-acetylene tanks. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Gold New Story 7/10/01
> > I really don't see how e-gold could do the above. First of all, it > would have > > to be a grandmother with access to a computer, and a telephone line, and an > > internet service. > >Not neccesarily. There are a lot of community internet access centers >being set up. > > > > Then somebody would actually have to accept a few grams for bailment > into the > e-gold system and the grandmother would have to be able to > afford shipping > those grams of gold and also insurance on the shippment. > >Huh? How likely is that she had the physical gold in the first place? She >would have grams of gold in her account that she got from an exchange >provider. No shipment of physical metal or insurance is required. It is actually much more likely that she would have physical gold than internet access in that part of the world. Gold has always been a prime form of currency there. That is why most of the jewelry from Asia is 22kt to 24kt. It is much easier to store and use your wealth. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people
>Any payment system, not just electronic ones, that allows non-repudiable >payments will be fraught with scams and crooks until it goes mainstream. A >payment system going mainstream doesn't reduce the number of scams & >crooks using it. It actually dramatically increases the number. What >decreases is the ratio of crooks to legitimate users. Just look at bank notes in just about any currency! Especially US$ ones. How many drug dealers take AMEX? Though there is a fairly high number of greyer businesses like prostitution that do. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Twinings
>How many of you are into tea? When I am home I drink more tea than coffee. Mostly Earl Grey or Asian teas such as Green or Jasmine teas. Mostly loose leaf. When I'm on the road I usually do coffee because most people in the US can do a decent coffee, but it is harder to find good tea. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: just FWIW
>http://www.bananagold.com/tasteexamp.gif >http://www.bananagold.com/tasteful.gif I could deal with that. I might even do a few 1000 impressions as a test, but I don't really think I would be able to cost justify doing it as a regular thing. As I said before I have had very poor luck with my banner to sales ratio. I get a larger percentage of "lookers" than I do from more targeted search engine results. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Default spending units (was SCI suggestion)
>What I meant was what I originally said (ignoring the subject): It would >be nice to have a default payment unit when you want to make a spend. >Instead of defaulting to dollars, like it always does, it would default >to the unit you specify. I believe JPM posted something on this list >earlier about how he sometimes makes a spend in dollars, but he meant to >spend in grams. Just for clarification you want the spend page to default to the preferred payment method of the spender? That sounds reasonable to me, but I can see some problems. I know that the merchant has the option in the interface to specify the unit that they want to accept. I would assume that this would take priority over the spenders default. There would also need to be a fairly obvious way for the spender to know that they are not in their default unit. Could be more trouble than it's worth in the long run. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold as a marketing tool????
>You're right, Paul, the market is still too small. But it is growing. Give >it time. Try again in two or three years. I will keep with them until they show some reason that I need to leave. Like I said, I like the idea and it isn't costing me anything to offer them as a payment method. In fact I just started a small marketing attempt at the e-gold market. Only costs me if it works. And no it is not an account spam! Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Funding accounts
I love the idea of e-gold and have thought about putting an ounce or so into the system to play with, but haven't really decided how to do it. I have looked at the different market makers out there and tried to figure out which one to use, but without success. It doesn't help that one of the MM's I was considering was Heap-o-Shit! Just about everyone has nice websites, but only G&SR has any real history to check out through standard channels, but they have the $1000 min. I guess that is where the eCTA would come in handy after they have been around a while, but for now it is guesswork. I don't have a problem sending a wire for 5 ounces of gold or 100 ounces of silver to a place like Hoover & Strong who have been in business for 85 years and have great trade references. The question is how do you trust some website that may be just another fly by night scam? Oh well, Paul --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] E-gold as a marketing tool????
I am beginning to agree with JPM on some points, though not all. I don't see e-gold being a real serious marketing tool for businesses until it gains more users. This is a chicken and the egg situation though since people aren't going pay to put money into a system that they have relatively few options to use. I switched to requiring e-gold for all foreign orders a couple months ago due to the time, aggravation, and expense of validating non-US credit cards. Since them I have only gotten one order from Europe and that was a previous customer who I let use their credit card. The problem is that for some one to buy something from me they will more than likely need to open an account, or at least fund one. This time is measured in days to weeks. Sort of kills the spontaneous buy. Why do I say this? Just look at the current e-gold market. Around 229,016 accounts total. Of these only 94,000 to 95,000 are funded. Many of them probably "abandoned", duplicate, or test accounts with too little in them to make it worthwhile to get the money out. Of the accounts I just looked at all but about 35,000 have less than 1 gram in them, and of those only about 12,000 have over 10 grams. Ten grams is only $85 to $90 depending on the day. Would a company market to the demographic where they can see that almost all have less than $100 in their checking accounts? Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: ad banner chat
At 07:59 PM 6/21/2001 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>You ran 100,000 ads for bananagold on the e-gold spend page. If your >>banner was in a moderately heavy rotation (1/4 of all ads), it would take >>16-50 days to run completely through. With a 0.7% clickthrough, you would >>receive 700 clickthroughs. That is an average of 14-44 clickthroughs/day. >>I didn't say 14-44 purchasing customers. I said clickthroughs, people who >>simply view the frontpage of your site. > >True; I happen to know that of e-gold users who see a banana banner about >1/3 buy something, I should have said that. > >Anyway, put that knowledge aside: > >$1000 bucks to have SEVEN HUNDRED PEOPLE click through to your site is --- >absolutley astounding, mindblowing, fantastic, wonderful, priceless. > >I'd pay, oh, $20,000 -- $25,000 right now to have 700 e-gold users,. who >make spends (ie, not trivial empty accounts) go look at Banana. > >Don't tell Jim I said that in case he is trying to price his banners just now. I am running one banner ad champaign for one of my target markets. This is on a specialized search engine used by that market segment extensively. I have run this champaign for four months and this is the results: spent $300 Averaged 2,950 banner impressions/day Averaged 26 click-throughs/day One maybe two sub $40 sales Search engines and word-of-mouth have done much, much better than banners for me. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Monex
It sounds like an auto-reply that the software sends out to any incoming mail. I really get a kick out of Monex. They have been running the same commercials on CNN for years. They sound great when the price of gold is on one of its spikes, but most of the time I hear them when it is heading for a new low and laugh. Cheers, Paul At 03:05 PM 6/21/2001 -0500, Tristan Petersen wrote: >I saw a commercial on television advertising gold. The company behind it >was Monex (http://www.monex.com). Apparently, they sell gold coins and >other precious metals. I sent them an email inquiring about their e-gold >acceptance policy; Look at the reply I got. Did they even read my email? >I don't know. But I bet a lot more emails like it would wake them up. :) > >Tristan > > > > >Thank you for your e-mail. > > > >However, rather than taking the chance of giving you possibly incomplete > >information back to you in a return e-mail, we feel it would be best if > >you called us on our toll-free number. That way, we can provide you > >with complete information and answer any additional questions that might > >come up. > > > >Our toll-free number is 1-800-489-0839. When you call, our operator > >will connect you with someone who will answer your questions, provide > >you with up-to-the-minute price quotes, etc. By the way, our > >representatives are generally available to speak with you any time > >between 6:00 am to 6:00 pm Pacific time. > > > >Again, thank you for your e-mail and your interest in Monex. We look > >forward to speaking with you soon. > > > > > >Tristan Petersen wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Do you accept e-gold for payment? > >> > >> Tristan > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
> > No the risk to the customer is that they have no way to get their > > money back from a merchant in the case of a problem. > > >When dealing with reputable merchant, the risk is almost non- >existant. Convince the customers of that. One of the highest fears they have is that of using a credit card online. Most of this is media hype since the amount of credit card fraud online is not much higher than in real life transactions and all of the rules favor the customer anyway. The problem is getting more than the techies to believe that they are as safe or safer than giving their card to a waiter who is making minimum wage and will be out of your site for five to ten minutes! Now you expect them to send hard money with no recourse except legal means to get their money back? Then how do you determine a reputable merchant? By reading this list? I would get the impression that all that is out there is a bunch of scams, hackers, and general con men. Then there is everyone's favorite e-qold which seems to surface regularly. And let's not forget the conspiracy theories, Secret Service raids, offshore accounts, and money laundering advocates. Scary place the gold world seems to the lay person. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Gold Bugs vs the Masses (was egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips)
> > >>> why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale? > > >> How does e-gold delay the sale? > > > > > > I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold > > > before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card. > > > > Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is slow. The only way to do > > this relatively quickly if to fund using a credit card, but then what's the > > point? And funding by CC is still a real hassle. > > If they decide to fund by check or wire, then why not send such payment > > directly to merchant? > >So you dump in a wodge of money and use it in small amounts until you >need to refill. How many people do this? Especially people new to the system? >And it's useful as a money store and a means to >speculate on gold as well. Hardly rocket science. It doesn't look good as a money store. You pay 1% to keep the account and then hope that the price of gold doesn't drop reducing your account value. Your money store has to work extra hard to just keep up with inflation. To even think that most people are ready to speculate on gold is scary. Sure you can make money on gold if you time the (very) short term run-ups, but the general overall trend over the last ten years has been that gold prices go down more than up. This is more like day trading stocks in a bear market. I probably have more gold than many on this list, but I actually want the rice to go down. That means that I can get more to make new jewelry pieces with a lower cost of materials. This equates to a higher profit margin for me. People here talk in grams and how there are xxx accounts with over 10 grams etc... For comparison a 14kt men's ring like I usually make will have 7 to 20 grams of 14kt gold. That equates roughly 4 to 11 grams of pure gold in a single ring. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
> > True, but with egold you are placing all the extra cost and all the > > risks in the hand of the consumer. > >When you underdstand that the greater risk and costs is not with >gold and gold currencies, but with national currencies that are >constantly debased, it becomes very easy to make the good >choice. No the risk to the customer is that they have no way to get their money back from a merchant in the case of a problem. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-mail scam warning
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent me an e-mail (with forged From: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]) that says my account is inactive, and I have to log in >to make sure it isn't deleted. There is a text version and HTML version >of the e-mail, the text version has accurate links but the HTML version >misdirects you to http://business.dencity.com/e-gold/index.htm I just got that message. It is interesting that they used HTML mail to disguise the link to look like it is going to e-gold's domain. Looks like a lurker is using this list to gather email addresses to use in their scams. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: here's a shit article!
>>PayPal, probably the most popular system of the sort, is trying to lure >>Internet shoppers away from credit cards with surprising luck so far: The >>company has raised $225 million in financing and claims to have 8 million >>customers Most people I know about fund their PayPal accounts with a credit card. I see no reason to Pay for something through PayPal if the store takes a credit card directly. Most places that take PayPal are individuals or home businesses that don't do enough traffic to make a credit card terminal cost effective. >>Since online sales account for a mere 2 percent of all credit card >>transactions, Visa and Mastercard have been slow to respond to PayPal's >>threat. How many SPAM offers to take credit cards do most people get a day? I average 3 to 5 by email and one or two a week by mail. I probably got 30 or more mailings in the month or so after I registered my business in 1996 and another 80 plus when I moved two years ago. The small business and retailer magazines and news >>An additional incentive is PayPal's relatively low 2.2 percent transaction >>fee plus 30 cents. Visa, by contrast, charges up to approximately 2.5 >>percent in transaction fees. The author showed the general lack of mathematical ability displayed by too many of the population. Unless you have a lot of large transactions a transaction fee is usually very bad. >>And because of the possibility of fraud, a Visa >>transaction does not complete -- meaning the seller doesn't get paid -- for >>up to 90 days. This is downright lack of research or stupidity. Even in the bad old days of sending in paper reports a month was more of the norm. I get my funds within two business days currently. I also don't have to worry about having my whole account frozen because some scumbag wants to not pay for their merchandise. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Due Process - In defense of e-gold
Actually I do. It is the first payment option in fact. And in the updates page. I need to finish the FAQ page which has more payment terms. I'm updating the Policies page now. Thanks for letting me know, I thought I had updated the payment terms at least. Paul >Just checked out your Shining Moon Website, nice. Pity you don't take e-gold >though. > >Geoff > >- Original Message - >From: "Paul Ewing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 3:40 PM >Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Due Process - In defense of e-gold > > > > At 01:14 AM 6/14/2001 -0400, Lim Ka Seong wrote: > > >People who are in legitimate E-gold business will definitely work with > > >E-gold to unfrozen their account by proving to E-gold that, that was a > > >legitimate transaction by the spender (or spenders!!!) > > > > And this will take how long? As a business owner I would drop e-gold the > > first time something like this happened. Probably even to someone > > else. What you are proposing is that a business is prevented from > > receiving new orders using e-gold for the days, weeks, or months it would > > take to go through the process of fighting the order fraud that will flood > > in. Much worse than the situation with credit cards today. Just check on > > some of the PayPal forums to see this practice in action and how badly it > > works. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Due Process - In defense of e-gold
At 01:14 AM 6/14/2001 -0400, Lim Ka Seong wrote: >People who are in legitimate E-gold business will definitely work with >E-gold to unfrozen their account by proving to E-gold that, that was a >legitimate transaction by the spender (or spenders!!!) And this will take how long? As a business owner I would drop e-gold the first time something like this happened. Probably even to someone else. What you are proposing is that a business is prevented from receiving new orders using e-gold for the days, weeks, or months it would take to go through the process of fighting the order fraud that will flood in. Much worse than the situation with credit cards today. Just check on some of the PayPal forums to see this practice in action and how badly it works. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SV: Accessablity, but how?
>It shouldn't cost you more than $5 to fund your e-gold account with >$100. Check out the exchange brokers that deal in Europe. Icegold >and EuroGoldline... > >Claude >GoldCurrencies.ca > >On 8 Jun 2001, at 10:07, Patrik Isacsson wrote: > > > Hi - i just read your post. > > > > I totally agree with you - when i first came in contact with e-gold - > > i loved it becuase it was "easy" to buy services with - BUT to FUND it > > and to withdraw money from it was expensive and hard - ( a money order > > on 100$ to a MM costs me 20$ in Sweden - havent calculated the MM´s > > fees in that ) ... as you can see - the funding is hard - > > > > worst part is - how can we offer a SECURE - EASY - good priced WAY to > > FUND and withdraw moeny from/to E-GOld Claude I have to agree with Patrik about the costs of getting into the system. You have to also include the bank fees for wiring the money to the MM. For example using IceGold which I am referring my European customers to. If I want to fund US$100 into e-gold it will cost me roughly: US$10 for sending the bank wire, US$5 for them to receive it, and the US$4 exchange fee. This is a total fee of US$19 or 19% of the transaction amount. The percentage goes down for larger amounts, but most of my sales to Europe, which I am targeting to convert to e-gold, have been in the US$75 to US$150 range. Wire fees might be less there, but I don't think they are by much. I do offer them a 5% discount to use e-gold since it makes my life easier confirming the orders. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Shining Moon Creations Jewelry Accepts E-Gold
I would like to formally announce that Shining Moon Creations http://www.shiningmoon.com is accepting E-Gold as a method of payment. What better way to pay your jeweler than in gold? We design one-of-a-kind and exotic jewelry in sterling silver and gold using uncommon gemstones such as Black Diamonds, Blue Diamonds, Amber, Crystal, and many others. As an incentive to our customers we are offering a 5% discount to those that use E-Gold. This should help offset any transaction charges to put money into the E-Gold system. To take advantage of this discount enter: Voucher # 505392107 in the shopping cart when you check out and choose the E-Gold payment option. We are happy to ship internationally to customers who use E-Gold as their method of payment. We have many happy customers in the United States, Australia, Germany, and Switzerland. Thank you and we hope to hear from you soon, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: The Stats Mystery!
At 07:53 PM 4/25/2001 -0400, Viking Coder wrote: > > jpm wrote > > [the spends stats should look like] > > microspends (under 0.10 grams) 1315 > > macrospends (over 0.10 grams)2885 > > > >I don't think that there are many microspends happening with e-gold >currently. I would tend to agree with that. A tenth of a gram is 83 to 85 US cents. I'm new to e-gold and not sure how most people use it, but I can't see much use in a spend under that amount. The main reason I just signed up for e-gold is to protect myself from the repeated international credit card fraud attempts I have gotten lately. I decided it was costing me too much to call the issuing bank and verify the card and address. If my customers accept e-gold as a valid payment method, most of my transactions will be in the 1/4 oz to 2 oz range. Cheers, Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
