[e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
To reach people who have US Dollars:
(i) advertise anywhere, on any medium.
Whatever and wherever the ad was, it would reach only _some_ users and be
unseen by most. It would suffer from the same weakness as an ad on a
market-maker's page.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean there. Someone had said AH HA!
there is no SPECIFIC! MEDIUM! to reach people who use US Dollars.
That statement is incorrect, since, 100% of people use US Dollars,
so, any medium works.
Is there a medium which reaches US Dollar users - Yes.
Is there a medium which reaches e-gold users - No.
Tried it extensively, more than anyone. A good idea, that is the
second best idea after an ad on the spend page, but it's a dismal
second. First of all, its useless unless there was a careful
syndicate allowing you to buy an ad covering EVERYwhere that someone
might buy gold, secondly obvioyusly people do one MM transaction and
then dozens of spends.
So what?
What do you mean So What? -?
To repeat:
its useless unless there was a careful
syndicate allowing you to buy an ad covering EVERYwhere that someone
might buy gold
*If* there was such a syndicate, *and* it was very perfectly and
excellently organized and covered all MMs, you might be able to get
say 1/4 of thethe 50k reward, for pointing out something that is a
dismal second best.
Here's a question for you:
Is there such a syndicate?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
They'd see the ad every time they buy e-gold.
And mamny people never use an MM, they get
their gold directly.
Only a tiny, tiny fraction of e-gold users can say that.
Surprisingly - I don't think that's true, Sam.
I have never used a market maker and I deal in kilos of gold every
month in and out. None of the blokes who work for me have ever used
a market maker (except to get rid of gold! :) ). Jim Ray has never
bought gold from a market maker, nor any of the other egold employees
who are paid in gold.
I'm sure your're right that it's a MODEST fraction, but not TINY.
Anyway, getting back to the point:
As I said, It utterly agree with you that advertising on MMs pages is
a reasonably good dismal-second idea, BUT, in PRACTICE, tell me,
state, how to organize to consistently advertise on their pages.
perhaps your answer is Ah ha! JP, you joker, you have not heard of
the MMAdBannerSyndicateReadyToGoNow.com, in which case I would
happily send you the 50kilos.
The e-gold economy
is still very small, and I doubt that a significant percentage of them don't
ever visit a market-maker's page.
I do agree that a banner ad on the spend might do a lot for the e-gold
economy, but it's a little over the top to say that there is no
method for
reaching e-gold users without it.
State the method.
I already did. Advertise on a market-maker's page.
^^
that's cheating. Advertising on ONE MM's page is shit.
What would work though (again, remembering its only a dismal second place) is:
I already did. Advertise on a {every} market-maker's page {in a very
cohesive manner so the banner is delivered in the same way in every
case and it's never missed and you can actually pay them all at once
and its practical and real and you can do it tonight}.
Use your keyboard and tell me how to do that, I'll send over the 50k,
no worries!
Also, there are multiple directories of merchants who accept e-gold.
Advertise on one or more of them.
Tell me how you know that a large percentage of people who frequently
spend gold, go to, those sites.
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[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
Viking Coder wrote: The main question again is - Why should e-gold bother? To make money. That's the *point* to being in business. To *increase* gross revenue. To increase shareholders' value. They don't need the money, which is usually the primary reason for hosting advertising. Huh? Where did you ever get an idea like that? Do you believe that e-gold should keep it's growth rates slower than they can be? They can't offer anything other than untargeted ads without violating their user privacy agreements. Untargeted ads is what's needed. They could end up alienating users who don't want to see ads when using a service that they are paying for. They could (and it looks like they already have) alienate serious businesses who want to use e-gold *if* they can communicate with most e-gold users, which they cannot do now. Which has the better net effect for e-gold? I can't objectively say. But the banner ad concept on the spend page is screaming at me: DO IT! The founding of Amazon was brilliant. The founding of e-gold was brilliant. Do they have what it takes to succeed and compete in the long run? That's another whole story. It's not clear to me at all. Is e-gold running scared, looking over it's shoulder at it's competition? Not that I can see. Bob -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com A Directory of Web sites and Internet presences accepting non-fiat monies. http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
JP, why don't you call Doug and talk to him directly about advertising for this big Mega Corp you want to sell? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
Do you believe that e-gold should keep it's growth rates slower than they can be? No, but there better ways of increasing the growth rate (currently @ ~30%/month) than polluting the spend page with advertising. Untargeted ads is what's needed. Then create a TV ad, take out full page ads in the major newspapers of the world, or put banner ads up on DoubleClick/Yahoo/etc. Leave the spend page clean of advertising. They could (and it looks like they already have) alienate serious businesses who want to use e-gold *if* they can communicate with most e-gold users, which they cannot do now. As I mentioned in another post, why should MegaCorp be alienated when it cannot directly contact the existing ~95,000 funded account holders? It has a consumer base of millions that it can push an advertising campaign of a new exiciting way to buy our product/service without a credit card on. Do they have what it takes to succeed and compete in the long run? That's another whole story. It's not clear to me at all. Advertising on the spend page is the solution to this? The reason users put up with advertising is that they are getting something for free. I'm not getting anything for free from e-gold. I pay storage charges and pay to receive payments. Is e-gold running scared, looking over it's shoulder at it's competition? Not that I can see. Not that I can see either. Which is another reason why I diagree with putting ads on the spend page. Another thing to consider, somebody else mentioned it earlier, is the load time associated with banner ads. The spend confirmation page is a pretty simple, fast-loading page. People on slow (i.e dial-up) connections will probably not wait for the ads to finish loading before moving on. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
As I mentioned in another post, why should MegaCorp be alienated when it cannot directly contact the existing ~95,000 funded account holders? It has a consumer base of millions that it can push an advertising campaign of a new exiciting way to buy our product/service without a credit card on. You guys are 2 funny why should the merchants be the ones to spend time and money to push egold, it's egold's job to do this... also why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale? How does e-gold delay the sale? Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
On 21 Jun 2001, at 14:15, Viking Coder wrote: why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale? How does e-gold delay the sale? I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card. As a merchant myself, I much prefer wiating for sfe e-gold than taking CC and being charge 3%. Claude --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale? How does e-gold delay the sale? I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card. Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is slow. The only way to do this relatively quickly if to fund using a credit card, but then what's the point? And funding by CC is still a real hassle. If they decide to fund by check or wire, then why not send such payment directly to merchant? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
PowerClicks wrote: why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale? How does e-gold delay the sale? I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card. Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is slow. The only way to do this relatively quickly if to fund using a credit card, but then what's the point? And funding by CC is still a real hassle. If they decide to fund by check or wire, then why not send such payment directly to merchant? So you dump in a wodge of money and use it in small amounts until you need to refill. And it's useful as a money store and a means to speculate on gold as well. Hardly rocket science. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
As a merchant myself, I much prefer wiating for sfe e-gold than taking CC and being charge 3%. 3% uncapped and with the very real possibility that the transaction will be cancelled at any in the near future. True, but with egold you are placing all the extra cost and all the risks in the hand of the consumer. Whats the incentive for the consumer to use such a payment method? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
On 21 Jun 2001, at 21:12, PowerClicks wrote: True, but with egold you are placing all the extra cost and all the risks in the hand of the consumer. When you underdstand that the greater risk and costs is not with gold and gold currencies, but with national currencies that are constantly debased, it becomes very easy to make the good choice. Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
On 21 Jun 2001, at 21:09, PowerClicks wrote: Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is slow. The only way to do this relatively quickly if to fund using a credit card, but then what's the point? For e-gold and Goldmoney to reach the masses and replace credit cards in online payments, they must sell a concept. The concept is that gold is the best money available on this planet. Better than any national currencies. If they succeed selling this idea, people will routinely convert some of their national currencies into gold currencies and always have some of them available for purchase. I am betting that we will see a massive move to gold and private money in the coming decade. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
True, but with egold you are placing all the extra cost and all the risks in the hand of the consumer. When you underdstand that the greater risk and costs is not with gold and gold currencies, but with national currencies that are constantly debased, it becomes very easy to make the good choice. No the risk to the customer is that they have no way to get their money back from a merchant in the case of a problem. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 21 Jun 2001, at 14:46, Paul Ewing wrote: No the risk to the customer is that they have no way to get their money back from a merchant in the case of a problem. When dealing with reputable merchant, the risk is almost non- existant. Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
On 21 Jun 2001, at 20:37, Julian Morrison wrote: Which will annoy the national governments enough that they'll likely try and legislate GCs into the ground, or at least tie them and regulate them and require so much snooping on the customers as to effectively nationalize them by default. E-gold and GoldMoney both are going to have to be prepared to be more than a tad stubborn if they want to survive as businesses or useful currencies. Of course, I am not suggeating that national currencies will disapear. We had massive move to gold in the late 70's and we saw no additional regulations. If some foreign (in Asia) governemnt gives gold a major place in its monetary reserves, we could see a new paradigm shift towards the metal. There are a lot of rumors on China having such a long term master plan. Keep in mind that within 25 yearrs they (China) will have the largest economy on this planet. And I don'tthink that they want it to be dollar based. The USD will eventually have big problems... that is when things will start to change. Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: I am betting that we will see a massive move to gold and private money in the coming decade. Which will annoy the national governments enough that they'll likely try and legislate GCs into the ground, or at least tie them and regulate them and require so much snooping on the customers as to effectively nationalize them by default. E-gold and GoldMoney both are going to have to be prepared to be more than a tad stubborn if they want to survive as businesses or useful currencies. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
No the risk to the customer is that they have no way to get their money back from a merchant in the case of a problem. When dealing with reputable merchant, the risk is almost non- existant. Convince the customers of that. One of the highest fears they have is that of using a credit card online. Most of this is media hype since the amount of credit card fraud online is not much higher than in real life transactions and all of the rules favor the customer anyway. The problem is getting more than the techies to believe that they are as safe or safer than giving their card to a waiter who is making minimum wage and will be out of your site for five to ten minutes! Now you expect them to send hard money with no recourse except legal means to get their money back? Then how do you determine a reputable merchant? By reading this list? I would get the impression that all that is out there is a bunch of scams, hackers, and general con men. Then there is everyone's favorite e-qold which seems to surface regularly. And let's not forget the conspiracy theories, Secret Service raids, offshore accounts, and money laundering advocates. Scary place the gold world seems to the lay person. Paul Ewing Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry http://www.shiningmoon.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
When dealing with reputable merchant, the risk is almost non- existant. You also don't have to worry about the merchant doing multiple spends, or a spend greater than what you authorized, out of your account. You also don't have to worry about somebody getting your card# and going wild with it. This somebody could be the waiter at some restaurant or some random person who went dumpster diving and got a trash bag full of receipts. Before somebody says that their account was hacked, wait and think. Did you use your e-gold passphrase as the passphrase at some fly-by-night HYIP program? Did you use an easily guessable passphrase? Did you allow an unknown executable to run on your computer; either a email attachment or a full-strength java applet? Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
So you dump in a wodge of money and use it in small amounts until you need to refill. And it's useful as a money store and a means to speculate on gold as well. Hardly rocket science. So how much do you dump? $100, $1000, $1, more? You are assuming everyone is bullish on gold. Apart from exchange risk, to use it as a money store you need the trust factor... egold would need to partner with major financial institutions in order to build that trust --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 21 Jun 2001, at 22:25, PowerClicks wrote: So how much do you dump? $100, $1000, $1, more? You are assuming everyone is bullish on gold. Long term... being bullish on gold is the only thing that make sense. Apart from exchange risk, to use it as a money store you need the trust factor... egold would need to partner with major financial institutions in order to build that trust Not necessarily. Time can do the same thing. e-gold i smuch more trustable now than it was 5 years ago. GoldMoney has a man with with International reputation as its founder. The trend is for these currencies to continue to improve and get market share. Simply because thet are the best offering for digital commerce. Since everything will be digital 10-20 years down the road... Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
If they want a halfass currency with elastic attached, which they can jerk back out of the merchant's hands post facto, then the *merchants* will be quite justified in telling them to take a running jump, once they see an alternative is available. DING, DING, DING!!! We have a winner! The consumer gets a method of spending over the internet that doesn't leave them wide open for fraud. Their account can only accessed if they allow it. Read one of my other posts before responding to that last statment. The merchant gets a payment method that has a very low transaction fee and allows them to not worry that the payment will be yanked out their hands or being fined for said chargeback/bounce. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
You're not a happy bunny are you jpm. I understand your frustration and sympathise with it. INMHO which I have expressed before, the problem with e-gold becoming more widely used has nothing to do with major firms or conglomerates using it. One of the major problems is getting your account funded. It's very easy to open an account, just fill in the form and away you go, BUT and it's a huge BUT, it is not so easy to get money into the e-gold account. I saw your little reference to my VW site and I understand you think this small fry, and I agree, however, once e-gold becomes more widely used here in the UK by way of sites like VW Online supporting and promoting it, I as an avid supporter of the e-gold currency will set about promoting other e-gold accepting business from my site (bananagold being one of them). Remember from little acorns etc. Out of interest how long has e-gold been around? I have to say though that when I posted the mesage about the little girl Charlotte (www.charlotte-speddy.co.uk) who needs an operation, it would have been nice to be able to send one email to every e-gold account holder, but I asked and was told it can't be done due to privacy issues which although miffed about it, I understood (sort of) Still the way I look at it is this, everyone who doesn't see e-gold as something they should have are in the wrong not hose who already have it. I must join 2cents worth musn't I? :-) Geoff --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
majorbrokerage.com does not give a flying fuck about putting a banner ad on golddirectory.com (sorry Bob! :) ) It's Craig. Otherwise, what good is the e-gold webpage, as an advertising venue, if only a few major businesses can afford to put ads there? So what if those businesses simply stay out? The growth of e-gold should not depend on such businesses. It should depend on its popularity with small businesses and the average person -- AS LONG as it continues to grow. Don't get me wrong... I WOULD like to see a major big company involved, but do you want to marry the e-gold webpage to them to do so? Perhaps E-gold should be impartial to business. Perhaps it should be like the blind-folded woman with the scale in her hands, minding the store, but not playing favorites -- AS LONG as it continues to grow. Craig (Not Bob) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (4) i said, Oh, there's no method for reaching egold users (5) they said what a fucking stupid conversation this is Suggestion: e-gold should have an e-gold adverts list with a check-button to autosubscibe you on the account creation pages. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Suggestion: e-gold should have an e-gold adverts list with a check-button to autosubscibe you on the account creation pages. You will see something like that in about 3 weeks from FreedomHound.com. You can register to receive email solicitations. The kicker is that the fees paid to send to the list go to the subscribers. I have finished all the work on the mass payment system, I am just finishing up the interface that lets you subscribe to various marketing lists. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 09:16 AM -0700 06/20/2001, Vince Callaway wrote: ... I have finished all the work on the mass payment system, I am just finishing up the interface that lets you subscribe to various marketing lists. Yes, yes, but when do we get CHESS? It's the closest I'll ever come to harnessing sloth, if my guess is right! ;^) JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, yes, but when do we get CHESS? It's the closest I'll ever come to harnessing sloth, if my guess is right! ;^) JMR Working on it, and there will be games other than chess available. Although, it's kinda on the back burner right now. I have several other e-gold related projects that I'm concentrating on right now. Not to mention my actual job/current livelihood, and my pretending to have a life other than e-gold computers in general. I will, hopefully, be bringing a few of these projects live in the next week - few months. Of course, life always has a habit of interfering with my best laid plans. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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majorbrokerage.com does not give a flying fuck about putting a banner ad on golddirectory.com (sorry Bob! :) ) It's Craig. Sorry! I'd just been writing Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob in promoting Bobgold .. I mean Bananagold ... Otherwise, what good is the e-gold webpage, as an advertising venue, if only a few major businesses can afford to put ads there? So what if those businesses simply stay out? The growth of e-gold should not depend on such businesses. It should depend on its popularity with small businesses and the average person -- AS LONG as it continues to grow. Don't get me wrong... I WOULD like to see a major big company involved, but do you want to marry the e-gold webpage to them to do so? Well I think that's just economics, C., -- whether a one big company, or many little companies, or one media outlet, or whatever, takes it over, god sorts it out Perhaps E-gold should be impartial to business. Perhaps it should be like the blind-folded woman .. Kinky imagery ... but yes, capitalism is blind. You say the ads on the page are $9 per thousand. As a owner of a small, shit, business like Bobgold, I'd love to buy just a few hundred dollars worth. Others may buy more, or less. Good for them with the scale in her hands, minding the store, but not playing favorites -- AS LONG as it continues to grow. Craig (Not Bob) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
3) they said so, how do we reach these users, where do we buy the email addresses of all users or advertise to users (4) i said, Oh, there's no method for reaching egold users (5) they said what a fucking stupid conversation this is This is an amazing thing. Presumably the same brokerage accepts U.S. dollars. Where did they they buy the e-mail addresses of all the users, if that's their criterion for accepting a currency? To reach people who have US Dollars: (i) advertise anywhere, on any medium. Don't most of the market-makers sell advertising on their web pages? Isn't _that_ a way of targeting advertising to e-gold users? Tried it extensively, more than anyone. A good idea, that is the second best idea after an ad on the spend page, but it's a dismal second. First of all, its useless unless there was a careful syndicate allowing you to buy an ad covering EVERYwhere that someone might buy gold, secondly obvioyusly people do one MM transaction and then dozens of spends. And mamny people never use an MM, they get their gold directly. I do agree that a banner ad on the spend might do a lot for the e-gold economy, but it's a little over the top to say that there is no method for reaching e-gold users without it. State the method. -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
what good is the e-gold webpage, as an advertising venue Unless e-gold started data mining the spending habits of their users and correlating it to the type of business that the spend was made to, the only relevance that the advertising would have is that they accept e-gold. No .. no logic here? Yahoo and Double click offer both untargetted, and targetted ads. Both work perfectly well in their own way. Indeed in the early days, both those services offered only untargetted ads. I've done 100s of thousands, maybe a couple of million, $ worth of ad banner campaigns for clients. Sometimss (usually) you use untargetted ads, sometimes targetted. Consider TV advertising ... you can buy untargetted ads on general purpose shows, or you can buy targetted ads (say - on a financial channel). Both exist and work well for different purposes. What your'e saying here doesn't make sense -- consider, say Amazon.com (or hell, Banana) wanted ads on egold. Would they choose everyone or targetted - they'd choose everyone, anyway. You also say ... the probability that a banner will interest the spender would be down around the usual 0.7% that untargeted advertising usually gets. Sweet jesus mother of christ ... .7 per cent? I assume you've never had anything to do with advertising? Do the figures .. if Banana (say) ran ads and got .7 per cent response, that would be MINDBOGGLIINGLY FANTASTIC. If businesses could consistently get .01% response (ie, say $50-$100 for an egold stockbreokerga to get a new client) they would be in seventh heaven. And, there would be an e-gold economy. Which there isn't sat the moment. The dowry for marrying e-gold to MegaCorp would be the privacy of it's users. After the question of 'How do we contact e-gold users?' comes the question of 'What are their spending habits demographics?'. I don't see that at all - why is there a connection? Of all the web sites that take benner ads, the vast majority do NOT do any sort of demographic sifting, they just sell broad untargetted ads. You could say the same of broadcast TV. I see no a leads to b connection there. Yes, they should. e-gold should just be an accounting system. Wouldn't advertising create the same sort of legal liabilities that listing the businesses in a directory, with the usual disclaimer, would create? Not at all - all advertising outlets can either sell or not sell ads to whoever they want (giving absolutely no reason - they mnight be a competitor, or they might just not like the ad) - it would be the same for egold. -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
Don't most of the market-makers sell advertising on their web pages? Isn't _that_ a way of targeting advertising to e-gold users? I have seen marginal results from banner ads on my own site. I get quite a bit of traffic to the site, but the people visiting are generally focused in getting their gold and handing it over to the latest HYIP. The only ads that I have received good clicks on are the ones I include with order confirmations. My confirmations are sent out in html format and include a banner at the bottom. The banner is only an E-Gold related business. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
Unless e-gold started data mining the spending habits of their users and correlating it to the type of business that the spend was made to, the only relevance that the advertising would have is that they accept e-gold. No .. no logic here? e-gold would be to offer *only* untargeted advertising without doing the data mining. If they didn't then the only thing that would be known would be that the user has a computer. An advertiser couldn't even be sure that their ad was being viewed by people in the same country. The main question again is - Why should e-gold bother? They don't need the money, which is usually the primary reason for hosting advertising. They can't offer anything other than untargeted ads without violating their user privacy agreements. They could end up alienating users who don't want to see ads when using a service that they are paying for. Yahoo and Double click offer both untargetted, and targetted ads. Both work perfectly well in their own way. Indeed in the early days, both those services offered only untargetted ads. Yeah, and untargeted ads have horrible click-through rates. This is why untargeted cost so much less than targeted. Also, in the early days the marketing profiles hadn't been fully compiled yet, and the concept of loading lots of tracking cookies onto the user's computer was just coming into being. What your'e saying here doesn't make sense -- consider, say Amazon.com (or hell, Banana) wanted ads on egold. Would they choose everyone or targetted - they'd choose everyone, anyway. Then why is there such a huge market for targeted advertising? A company wants their ads placed where it will draw the largest response. Which will draw the largest response... 10,000 Amazon.com ads shown to everyone or 10,000 Amazon.com ads shown to people that are known to be frequent book buyers? the probability that a banner will interest the spender would be down around the usual 0.7% that untargeted advertising usually gets. Sweet jesus mother of christ ... .7 per cent? The average click-through rate is usually sold to be 1%, but is usually down around 0.3-0.7%. This is just the click-through rate, not the rate at which the user does anything profitable. I assume you've never had anything to do with advertising? Professionally, no. I'm a programmer, not a salesman/ad exec. But I have done quite a bit of extensive research into web-based advertising. Do the figures .. if Banana (say) ran ads and got .7 per cent response, that would be MINDBOGGLIINGLY FANTASTIC. You ran 100,000 ads for bananagold on the e-gold spend page. If your banner was in a moderately heavy rotation (1/4 of all ads), it would take 16-50 days to run completely through. With a 0.7% clickthrough, you would receive 700 clickthroughs. That is an average of 14-44 clickthroughs/day. I didn't say 14-44 purchasing customers. I said clickthroughs, people who simply view the frontpage of your site. The dowry for marrying e-gold to MegaCorp would be the privacy of it's users. After the question of 'How do we contact e-gold users?' comes the question of 'What are their spending habits demographics?'. I don't see that at all - why is there a connection? Why is there such a big market for targeted advertising if untargeted is so profitable? How do you create targeted advertising without knowing spending habits demographics? Of all the web sites that take benner ads, the vast majority do NOT do any sort of demographic sifting, they just sell broad untargetted ads. And the vast majority have horrible click-through rates. The untargeted ads are usually sold to companies who only want to test the water, or can't afford targetted ads. A lot of sites don't do their own advertising. They outsource to somebody like DoubleClick who then offers them more money if they give a marketing profile of their site their user demographics. You could say the same of broadcast TV. I see no a leads to b connection there. Actually there is quite a lot of targeted ads on broadcast TV. The advertisers place their ad during the timeslots when the people most likely to be watching will be the people most likely to be receptive to their advertising. Examples: Soap Operas - called that because the advertisers realized that stay-at-home wives were watching those shows and so started placing ads for all sorts of soaps cleaning supplies; thus targeted ads on broadcast tv. How often do you think ads for feminine hygiene products show up during WWF (Worldwide Wrestling Federation) shows? It is sometimes interesting to study the ads during a show and figure out what the advertisers think is the main demographic watching that show. Yes, they should. e-gold should just be an accounting system. Wouldn't advertising create the same sort of legal liabilities that listing the businesses in a directory, with the usual disclaimer, would create? Not at all - all advertising outlets can
[e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
To reach people who have US Dollars: (i) advertise anywhere, on any medium. Whatever and wherever the ad was, it would reach only _some_ users and be unseen by most. It would suffer from the same weakness as an ad on a market-maker's page. Tried it extensively, more than anyone. A good idea, that is the second best idea after an ad on the spend page, but it's a dismal second. First of all, its useless unless there was a careful syndicate allowing you to buy an ad covering EVERYwhere that someone might buy gold, secondly obvioyusly people do one MM transaction and then dozens of spends. So what? They'd see the ad every time they buy e-gold. And mamny people never use an MM, they get their gold directly. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of e-gold users can say that. The e-gold economy is still very small, and I doubt that a significant percentage of them don't ever visit a market-maker's page. I do agree that a banner ad on the spend might do a lot for the e-gold economy, but it's a little over the top to say that there is no method for reaching e-gold users without it. State the method. I already did. Advertise on a market-maker's page. Also, there are multiple directories of merchants who accept e-gold. Advertise on one or more of them. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
