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--- "Michael Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I was trying to say was that e-gold seems to attract a larger proportion of cc fraud than would otherwise occur. The reason for this is quite simple acutally. The best thing to buy with stolen money is more money. Khurram Khan _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let me see if I understand this correctly ... "e-gold" WANTs to become an INTERNATIONAL "money" ... right ? etc. : Bravo, LaMarr Dell! Very good questions regarding e-gold. It will be hard to "No'ers" answer. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 17-Jan-01 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 05:40 PM 2/13/2001 +1100, Michael Moore wrote: The way CCs are going at the moment I believe there is a wide open niche just begging to be filled. CC fraud may only be 3% world wide but 90% of that 3% is internet fraud The 3% figure came from a report from a credit card company. American Express from their report of 2000 into Credit Cards. Irregardless of that I think that most MMs will agree that cc fraud is or was highly prevalent in our gold economy. This was the prime cause for very few MMs now accepting CCs any more. The issue of cc fraud in total is immaterial to the gold economy. The reported cc fraud is an average, and not addressing specific industries or merchants, i.e., porn, gold, etc. (not Freudian slip linking those two together ;-). Averages are OK for some purposes, but you need to watch the extremes. For example, if you had you head in a freezer and your butt in an oven, on average you would be comfortable. Yes Credit cards CAN be beefed up to be smart cards, even to the point of fingerprints and Iris Prints.But this is a question of economics, How much are the banks prepared to spend at at what point will they spend it to upgrade the security of CCs. And how do we get the iris or fingerprints verified online? IMO, and the opinion of many others, CCs have outlived their usefulness online and another method is sorely needed. Which is why the gold economy needs to be expanded to the uneducated. Banks will not offer a no chargeback service until they can be assured that there can never be a chargeback. They will only offer a system guaranteed to benifit them Sounds reasonable. Why would any company offer a service that wouldn't benefit them? If they did, wouldn't agents accept credit cards? or PayPal? As such I still believe David, that the cost of doing business with credit cards, from a merchant point of view, is increasing and an alternative such as the gold economy offers a more secure transactional medium with less possibility of fraud and a more economical cost basis.. the costs will not reduce for the benefit of the merchant. The merchant HAS to have a transactional medium. The costs will be reduce when it is in the interest of the bank. Obviously I'm a believer. However, we all have an uphill battle here. There are maybe 200,000 people who know about the gold economy, but there are hundreds of millions who don't.Education is very expensive. There has to be a benefit to everybody - the merchant and the consumer. And I still contend that the education issue is not the problem. Rather it is an easier way to fund accounts. Bring merchants millions of users, and they will accept gold. Then again, give consumers more merchants to spend gold and they will become believers. The gold economy cannot be a group of radicals trying to overthrow the monetary system, or the tax structures in one's country. Rather it has to become mainstream to succeed. And there has to be benefits for all. Why has Linux become a major operating system? It's free, open source code, easier to use than Unix (and more powerful than Unix and Windows) and many people using it really hate Microsoft. The merchant, using the gold economy however, is not dependent on bank issued technology or bank facilities to the same degree. The idea of using the gold economy is to move away from the paper currency and back to the gold backed economy. Not necessarily true, unless you are touting a radical view. If you do a focus group (we will be doing four in March and April) or poll merchants, I'm certain that gold-backed funds will not be at the top of their list. Rather it would be secure transactions, speed of payment, less chargebacks, lower fees, easy to use, etc. However, on the consumer side, at least here in the US, there are laws protecting the consumers. So, we have another issue to overcome. Merchants are not interested in globalisation, or how much better for the banks this or that system it. Merchants are only interested in an economical system that is secure and has no or little chargebacks and which is speedy enough to service their customers. Yep. And, as we are all learning, many countries are hindering merchant growth outside one's country. Interesting to note how we don't have agents or MMs in China, India, Germany and Italy. Arguing in favour of the banks will not encourage merchants to use the gold economy as a transactional medium. Arguing in favour of the the gold economy may do But, we have to put a positive spin on it. Ask somebody the question "What comes to mind when I ask you about the gold economy? (or gold)" You will be surprised at the answers. Since I am trying to get SR into the mainstream, whenever I meet with merchants I ask that question. We have a lot of work ahead of us, and, if we do it in a logical, positive, and systematic manner, we will succeed. Each of us should ask
[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore
Let me see if I understand this correctly ... "e-gold" WANTs to become an INTERNATIONAL "money" ... right ? "e-gold" WELCOMES international CORPORATIONS to do business using their services ... right ? "e-gold" requires the foreign corporation to GIVE UP its "rights" in order to CONTINUE to use e-gold once their account is set up ... right ? in other words, ALL offshore businesses and individuals MUST comply with U.S. law in order to use e-gold ... right ? "international law" takes a BACK seat ... right ? Next in this train of thought, logically, then would be that ALL e-gold users must also pay TAX to the U.S. ... right ? Now, IF I got a "NO" answer to any of the above then how would YOU (the "NO"er) justify the actions of the e-gold DDU ? I think it's just a matter of time until ALL e-gold users get their notice from the IRS about their upcoming audits ... some folks get real upset if they don't get a piece out of EVERYones pie ... btw .. here's the Costa "latest" . quote: ***CostaGold Update*** Monday, February 12, 2001 Hello Members, We continue to wait for a response from e-gold. We did not expect a reply from them over the weekend, but did expect one today and did not get it. We have had so many members email us and request that we open our doors to spends again. We are being cautious at this time. We need e-gold to acknowledge that they accept us as a corporate entity so we know they will not do this again. They have closed down operations in companies **they** (emphasis MINE,lmd) did not deem legitimate and who were not backed by a corporation such as the one that is our parent company. We must be sure that they accept us as a legitimate business. We know that they will do so, but we must not move forward until this is clearly resolved. Members are also asking about the documents on our site and what they mean. The first document is a notarized certificate that was placed on file Feb. 5th . It states that KFTJ Ltd is a company in good standing as of Feb 5, 2001. It is dated that date because that is when the attorney notarized it. This document is proof that our parent company is currently doing business. The second is a Certificate of Incorporation for our Parent Company, KFTJ Ltd. It was incorporated in May of 1997 and is dated as such. Of course e-gold must ascertain that the company they are dealing with is actually incorporated and is legitimate. This document is proof of that fact. The third is a page from the letter sent to e-gold. To break it down, it simply states that CostaGold is owned by KFTJ Ltd. and there is evidence in the letter including notarized minutes of a KFTJ meeting where the creation of CostaGold took place. Is finishes with a request to have the funds released. It represents clear and official contact with e-gold. This alone should be enough legal notarized evidence to prove that the funds belong to our members and they should be released. We understand that e-gold needs to meet the requirements of due diligence and to verify the legitimacy of these documents. Apparently, that may take a few days. We will hope that requests they made of us last week after receiving these documents were made in haste and they will give due consideration to the evidence they have before them. We will give e-gold reasonable time to respond before we take further action. As emotional as we may be on this issue, we must remain professional and calm. We want to thank members for taking it upon themselves to organize the membership at large. We had not anticipated that there would such an overwhelming response and several of or members wrote letters to e-gold expressing their feeling in a very professional way. We are now in the same position as our members as we anxiously await a positive response from e-gold. We will follow up with continued updates as soon as we have a response from e-gold. Jon Robert end quote . p.s. as one who has already experienced the heavy hand of the DDU I can state that DDU will NOT contact you IF they release your funds .. you will just DISCOVER (for yourself, if you try) one day that they are free .. and DDU NEVER says, "thank you" for your efforts (and expense) to get YOUR mess cleaned up either ... LaMarr M. Dell Sr. E-Gold, a GOOD idea ... ? ?. btw ... some of you feel compelled to tell the rest of us that YOUR decision is that "COSTA IS A SCAM" but that is NOT the issue here, folks ... read it again. The FACT is that "Costa" is an IBC and, as such, has certain "international rights" ... that the U.S. does NOT recognize. The U.S. wants to ELIMINATE ALL LAWS that are in conflict with theirs .. they recognize NO RIGHTS except those THEY approve of .. and e-gold seems to back up those feelings. C'mon, egod, quit flying TWO flags .. pick ONE and "go" with it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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to everybody - the merchant and the consumer. And I still contend that the education issue is not the problem. Rather it is an easier way to fund accounts. I tend to disagree. I think e-gold can easily be classified as a 'breakthrough technology' which by definition means that people don't get it. If truly valuable, they will 'get it' from education, sheer necessity, or time. jf --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 06:29 AM 2/13/2001 -0800, Jeff Fitzmyers wrote: to everybody - the merchant and the consumer. And I still contend that the education issue is not the problem. Rather it is an easier way to fund accounts. I tend to disagree. I think e-gold can easily be classified as a 'breakthrough technology' which by definition means that people don't get it. If truly valuable, they will 'get it' from education, sheer necessity, or time. Perhaps. But to get into mainstream you need more than education. Let's assume that we have every merchant in the world accepting gold. Why would a consumer want to buy gold at 9-15% to purchase from merchants when they could use their credit card, and, if paid timely, incur no fees? If not paid timely they get a loan. So, the gold economy is wonderful for the merchant, but not so good for the consumer. And I don't think education alone will solve that. Rather we need to identify and emphasize the benefits to all (which is education). George __ George Matyjewicz, President Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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George Matyjewicz wrote: . . . Let's assume that we have every merchant in the world accepting gold. Why would a consumer want to buy gold at 9-15% to purchase from merchants when they could use their credit card, and, if paid timely, incur no fees? If not paid timely they get a loan. They can get gold for less (6.5%) at http://www.gold-age.net/ Plus there are others that offer good rates as well, depending upon the amount purchased. Plus, another thing to consider -- you can currently purchase e-gold at premiums ranging from 2.75% to 15% depending upon payment method and amount purchased. On average, the cost (all costs, percentage take, transaction fee, gateway fees, bank fees, etc) to a merchant accepting CC's as payment averages about 6% (in some industries, and for some specific businesses, its as low as 2% and for some it's as high as 20% -- I know, I did my shopping), and he must increase all his prices by at least this amount no matter if the customer pays cash or uses credit card; because it is illegal in most countries for the merchant to do otherwise and merchant CC contracts have this stipulation as well (this was not always the case -- in the fledling years of the CC-industry merchants used to have different prices for different payment methods. This was hurting the growth of the credit card industry, so they lobbied congress in the U.S. and put a stop to it, plus added clauses to their contracts to forbid and did other nasties in other countries to make sure similar policies were enforced). So in reality, if merchant accepts e-gold and does not take CC's as payment, therefore being able to offer lower prices, and a customer uses e-gold (or the others that are springing up) to purchase from this merchant the customer's total cost (including the cost of exchanging fiat currency for e-gold) of the goods or service is really no more than it would have been otherwise, and may often be less. Another benefit of the gold economy is that there's far less hassle and paperwork than with credit cards -- another cost savings. . . . So, the gold economy is wonderful for the merchant, but not so good for the consumer. . . . So actually the gold-economy is great for both the merchant and the consumer. PECB -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gold-age.net -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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George Matyjewicz wrote: Bring merchants millions of users, and they will accept gold. When PayPal hit a million accounts, that nice, round, head turning number got businesses to check out PayPal's growth rates and extrapolate into the future. The rest is history, already. If e-gold's current various growth rates continue, it's a matter of time when some number developes that turns businesses' heads. Great enterprises (PayPal is not one of them, I believe) take time, persistence and determination. And I see a lot of persistence and determination out there. The gold economy cannot be a group of radicals trying to overthrow the monetary system, or the tax structures in one's country. George, if it wasn't for radicals, you probably would find yourself today still throwing dung balls from inside a cave at a lion (thank you Lizard). The founding fathers of the US where radicals for reasons you mentioned above and look at what they (and others) produced (well for a while). Henry Ford was a radical. Thomas Edison was a radical. e-gold *is* radical. There in lies part of it's greatness. I consider Douglas Jackson to be a radical. And the others that have been pushing hard to help it along for a number of years. I don't understand how the huge potential of e-gold and e-gold backed money can be substantially understood without a decent understanding of the nature of government, and some grasp of economics, human nature and history. And, importantly, that history repeats it's self, roughly. Not to worry George. As time goes by, radicals should become a smaller and smaller percentage of people using e-gold and e-gold backed money. This will be a good thing. You might not get this one, but, government, ironically, should end up being the biggest booster of all at some point. I myself am banking on it. Rather it has to become mainstream to succeed. And there has to be benefits for all. Why has Linux become a major operating system? Partly because some X radical(s) thought up the open source concept. :) It's free, open source code, easier to use than Unix (and more powerful than Unix and Windows) and many people using it really hate Microsoft. The merchant, using the gold economy however, is not dependent on bank issued technology or bank facilities to the same degree. The idea of using the gold economy is to move away from the paper currency and back to the gold backed economy. Not necessarily true, unless you are touting a radical view. Huh? If you do a focus group (we will be doing four in March and April) or poll merchants, I'm certain that gold-backed funds will not be at the top of their list. If you did a focus group in the late seventies to early eighties, You should have found the opposite. Keep it up. I'm sure you'll find the opposite at some point. There's really big trends in place, in favor of e-gold. Rather it would be secure transactions, speed of payment, less chargebacks, lower fees, easy to use, etc. Those are all positives but there are more. At 10:43 AM 2/13/2001 -0500, PECB wrote: George Matyjewicz wrote: . . . Let's assume that we have every merchant in the world accepting gold. Why would a consumer want to buy gold at 9-15% Ok, let's assume that. What you would probably find is that consumers buy virtually *no* gold. Get it? Bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I consider Douglas Jackson to be a radical. And the others that have been pushing hard to help it along for a number of years. Yeah, you don't know what that radical is going to do... :) He's a genius! I don't understand how the huge potential of e-gold and e-gold backed money can be substantially understood without a decent understanding of the nature of government, and some grasp of economics, human nature and history. And, importantly, that history repeats it's self, roughly. In history, whenever people have been given a chance to trade gold, or any other type of money; they have chosen gold, and they will this time. Most people don't care which currency they use, but those who do care, care a great deal, and like a snowball rolling down a mountain, the avalanche created will change history. Whatever e-gold is now, it will not be the same thing next year. It's character will change; the people using it will change, as will the motivations behind those using it, until those using it become more a part of the mainstream. There doesn't need to be a 'reason' for people to buy e-gold -- they simply will, because those who care about it will purchase it at any price and create their own economy in which others will want to participate, slowing at first, but more decisively as time goes by. Bob, I believe I'm agreeing with you. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The way CCs are going at the moment I believe there is a wide open niche just begging to be filled. CC fraud may only be 3% world wide but 90% of that 3% is internet fraud That is simply not correct. While there is a lot of media hype on this subject, Internet CC fraud is not a large proportion of the overall CC fraud and the numbers are pretty much in line with that of the offline fraud (which include stolen cards, stolen numbers, ATM scams, mail order telephone transactions...). and merchants are getting the worst end of the stick more and more. Since, on the Internet, we are dealing with solely "card not present" transactions (as in traditional mail/telephone-order), there the big issue of chargebacks and the fact that the Merchant Banks (maliciously?) consider this "high-risk" and place the whole liability of the transactions on the merchants themselves. The consumer has a six months timeframe to charge back (without much justification, if any, to give), and the merchant can basically not do anything to prevent this (as neatly stipulated in the Merchant Account agreements one has to sign...). To top this off the merchant pays higher processing fees, chargeback fees and risks very expensive penalties if chargebacks go above a certain threshold... In that sense, I agree, merchants are getting the worst end of the stick! BUT with the many fraud screening tools available (AVS, negative databases, sophisticated AI screening) and with good careful customer support, most merchants can stay within reasonable chargeback ratios. I would say that over 90% of today's B-to-C e-commerce is made of "card not present" Credit Card transactions. Given that a 2.5% chargeback ratio will get a high level of scrutiny from the merchant banks, and that anything over 5% chargebacks is probably the death of your merchant account (VISA/MC USA is much stricter than in the rest of the world), there would not be many merchants left processing if fraud were higher than 3% on average... Notice that BILLION $ industries like online adult entertainment or gambling are still processing mainly credit cards (hundreds of millions of transactions each year), while they are considered to be VERY high-risk by merchant banks and under high scrutiny... If someone would offer them a secure transactional medium whith no charge backs they would grab it with both arms. It would be very easy for credit card companies to move in that direction and they have a few options: - provide a gateway to verify the PIN number, therefore authenticating the user of the CC (like is done at ATMs worldwide). The PIN would be asked to validate any transaction and the burden of proof would no longer be placed on the merchant in case of chargeback requests. - use of CCs with embedded microchips (smartcards). Provide card readers to the customers and request to insert the card verify the PIN number to validate the transaction. This in effect proves that the user has the card in hand and is even more effective than the option above. Smartcards are widely used in Europe, and Amex has the BlueCard in the USA.. So the medium exists, and I am certain consumers prefer a system backed by their current, trustworthy credit card companies than some unknown "new economy" solution... But that's one man's opinion :) Regards, David PS: does anyone remember First Virtual? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The way CCs are going at the moment I believe there is a wide open niche just begging to be filled. CC fraud may only be 3% world wide but 90% of that 3% is internet fraud The 3% figure came from a report from a credit card company. American Express from their report of 2000 into Credit Cards. Irregardless of that I think that most MMs will agree that cc fraud is or was highly prevalent in our gold economy. This was the prime cause for very few MMs now accepting CCs any more. BUT with the many fraud screening tools available (AVS, negative databases, sophisticated AI screening) and with good careful customer support, most merchants can stay within reasonable chargeback ratios. I would say that over 90% of today's B-to-C e-commerce is made of "card not present" Credit Card transactions. Given that a 2.5% chargeback ratio will get a high level of scrutiny from the merchant banks, and that anything over 5% chargebacks is probably the death of your merchant account (VISA/MC USA is much stricter than in the rest of the world), there would not be many merchants left processing if fraud were higher than 3% on average... If someone would offer them a secure transactional medium whith no charge backs they would grab it with both arms. Yes Credit cards CAN be beefed up to be smart cards, even to the point of fingerprints and Iris Prints.But this is a question of economics, How much are the banks prepared to spend at at what point will they spend it to upgrade the security of CCs. The answer is that point which it affects their profit and the return to the shareholders. This technology is available and has been so for some time and I must say that Australia is always one of the first to employ new technology when it arrives, on line transactions are an example.Yes outside of the US there is some smart card technology in use. In Australia it is used in cable boxes, so, unlike the US, you cannot 'acquire' illegal cable tv as the signal is scrambled and you need a smart card initialed from the main office in order to unscramble it. Banks will not offer a no chargeback service until they can be assured that there can never be a chargeback. They will only offer a system guaranteed to benifit them As such I still believe David, that the cost of doing business with credit cards, from a merchant point of view, is increasing and an alternative such as the gold economy offers a more secure transactional medium with less possibility of fraud and a more economical cost basis.. the costs will not reduce for the benefit of the merchant. The merchant HAS to have a transactional medium. The costs will be reduce when it is in the interest of the bank. The merchant, using the gold economy however, is not dependent on bank issued technology or bank facilities to the same degree. The idea of using the gold economy is to move away from the paper currency and back to the gold backed economy. I believe that is what this discussion is really about. It seems to me that promoting the globalist view, as had been couched in many ways over the past few days, does not help the gold economy flying in the face of what I call capitalised socialism (I can explain that term but it is not for this discussion baord - this is about the gold economy). Merchants are not interested in globalisation, or how much better for the banks this or that system it. Merchants are only interested in an economical system that is secure and has no or little chargebacks and which is speedy enough to service their customers. Arguing in favour of the banks will not encourage merchants to use the gold economy as a transactional medium. Arguing in favour of the the gold economy may do Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 subscribe to the gold-today discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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JP, How right you are. on top of all that, magically the adverts WOULD BE INCOME for e-gold corp, and well deserved, too Furthermore, it would probably be their first serious income that does not derive from the silly scams. I hope they take your bid! Or at least someone's higher bid! However, speaking of the silly scams... Why is it that they are the virtually the only use of e-gold? Tell us!!... I'll answer my own question: because they are the only use that has a way to reach potential customers. Absolutely correct!!! Not only that, but they are probably not so much reaching present e-gold users as being the engine that has fueled the growth of e-gold accounts by recruiting new account openers. They constantly require new suckers as the old ones either wise up and/or loose all their money. And consider this: All these new e-gold users are coming into the system (they are coming for shit reasons, but put that aside) AND THE EGOLD COMMERCE WORLD HAS NO WAY OF REACHING THEM. I can think of no better way of reaching them than an advert ON THE SPEND CONFIRM MECHANISM. Imagine: some of them might start using banana (good for me), or TGC (good for those guys), or find out about a market maker and use them. Consider all the people currently sitting around with egold commerce ideas: (dating services, paid email, shops, whatever).all those entities would be thinking "Isn't it GREAT that all these new people are comign to e-gold, and we can reach them so easily with an ad banner perfectly positioned" Instead, currently they are thinking "so many people are starting using e-gold...pity it's utterly useless as we can't reach them". Can anyone offer more than 200g? Maybe two or more market makers can get togheter and split the cost of a months advertising, and share it, and outbid my 200g offer. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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JP, I can think of no better way of reaching them than an advert ON THE SPEND CONFIRM MECHANISM. Yes, you have identified the absolutely perfect, premier advertising medium for reaching e-gold users. It ought to command premium prices if they would only sell it like capitalists. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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quote I can think of no better way of reaching them than an advert ON THE SPEND CONFIRM MECHANISM. Yes, you have identified the absolutely perfect, premier advertising medium for reaching e-gold users. It ought to command premium prices if they would only sell it like capitalists. CCS end quote Oh heck yes, let's DO add some twinkly little ads on ALL the egold pages! ! maybe some "rotators" and some "sliding banners" (those are always good for a little slow down) . And after we get all of this good advertising spread out on all of the pages (ESPECIALLY the most IMPORTANT one, the "spend" page) let's ask some big customer company to TRY and actually USE egold for their business .. that ought to get a LOT of folks interested in egold ... or NOT !?? Do you remember how slow eslug was back when EEbiz was trying to use this system ? Did you see the dent that made in the page display time ? Now, add in a few (or even ONE) STATIC banner and see what happens ... gee, "banner ads" ... what a GREAT idea, to REALLY slow down egold ... maybe even make it TOTALLY useless when the NEXT "hot" game/"scam" comes down the pike .. the gifs eslug puts on the pages now don't slow things down enough so, c'mon guys and gals, send in those twinkly ads ! ! ! Let's do THIS up brown ! ! ! Load up that spend page . after all doesn't ALL the SCIs go straight to it ? How about a new slogan ? "Exercise4 your patience to the MAX, use E-gold" LaMarr M. Dell Sr. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh heck yes, let's DO add some twinkly little ads on ALL the egold pages! ! maybe some "rotators" and some "sliding banners" (those are always good for a little slow down) . As I understand the delays associated with the e-gold servers, it isn't the web-servers which slow down the system, but rather the database server. The banners would be on the web-servers, which could be load-balanced and adjusted for an increasingly larger client base. The database server, however, cannot be duplicated at this time, and this is the bottleneck. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone offer more than 200g? Maybe two or more market makers can get togheter and split the cost of a months advertising, and share it, and outbid my 200g offer. Let's keep in mind that this advertising would also increase e-gold's business, too. Currently all they have to do, if they go for this, is set a rate and see what the demand is at that rate. I doubt all the theoretical 8-9 day periods would be bought right away. How many non-scam profitable e-gold accepting businesses (with extra cash to spend on advertizing) are there? I do see the pressure to advertise on e-gold's site though, extra cash or not. But unlike government, we just can't easily print the stuff. And I know I'm in no position to mine the stuff. We're subject to real life disciplines. Bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore!
Hey!!! about 1000% ...Nice one JP. I like it. Can I use it? (Now can we get it on Yahoo or Altavista.com???) I understand what you mean JP.. I would like however, to introduce new blood into the business. 250,000 new people coming into the business each day would boost and make egold known world wide. But to have 2000 traders or merchants using the system and demanding payment in gold would be even better! Has there ever been a concerted effort to promote e-gold to merchants as a safter and more sevcure alternative to credit cards. The way CCs are going at the moment I believe there is a wide open niche just begging to be filled. CC fraud may only be 3% world wide but 90% of that 3% is internet fraud and merchants are getting the worst end of the stick more and more. If someone would offer them a secure transactional medium whith no charge backs they would grab it with both arms. I strongly believe that a marketing company or individual with a proven track record in their field and some heavy expense money could raise the level of e-gold to a fast expanding transaction medium to replace credit card. Radio tv advertising, press releases , discussion boards, an intensive campaign into merchants heads. And with that much attention I believe problems some people report with e-gold accounts would become less. Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 subscribe to the gold-today discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday http://www.bananagold.com/howwecandream.gif --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore!
Hey!!! about 1000% ...Nice one JP. I like it. Can I use it? You can use it! (Now can we get it on Yahoo or Altavista.com???) You can get it on Yahoo or altavista tomorrow, but it would be an utter waste of your money, man. The people you wnat to reach are **EGOLD USERS**. If you did a million impressions on Yahoo, you would be lucky if 2 egold users saw the ad, so it would be a total waste of your money. Has there ever been a concerted effort to promote e-gold to merchants as a safter and more sevcure alternative to credit cards. there will be no egold merchants, until there's some way for egold merchants TO ADVERTISE TO EGOLD USERS. It's that simple. That's the end of the story. I was sitting opposite someone wanting him to write a check for 300 thou to implement a novel business idea involving e-gold. The gentleman said "fine little idea, but this is all completely pointless unless we can reach egold users. How do we do that?" "You cannot." "Then why are we wasting time talking about it, next." At the moment (with the miniscule exception of bananagold, which is trivial) there IS NO EGOLD COMMERCE, other than stupid scams. there will not be any egold commerce, until there is some way for prospective egold commercial enterprises, to clearly reach egold users. on top of all that, magically the adverts WOULD BE INCOME for e-gold corp, and well deserved, too --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
