[Elecraft] Passed the smoke test

2005-04-25 Thread Robert Jones
K2-4884 passed alignment  test part 1 tonight!

My 17 year old daughter (KE7DOD) and I are having a
blast putting this kit together. Now if only I can get
her to wind toroids I'd be set. ;)

73's
Robert
KD7YDW

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[Elecraft] Re Elecraft Net Report for April 24-25, 2005

2005-04-25 Thread F5UL
Hi Kevin !

Just for information and if u want to QSP Tom, I heard him 549 on 7045.3 at
0200 z this morning.
I called till 0227 z bnut to no results ??!! - I will try next time on
10107.2 and 14050 may be I may get throught !!
Best 72 from Bob/F5UL
By the way it's K2 4498 !


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Re: [Elecraft] Re Elecraft Net Report for April 24-25, 2005

2005-04-25 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Hi Bob,

Strange skip on at 0200Z this morning. I had two receivers tuning between
7035 and 7050 and all I heard were East Coast USA, K8, a VE3X? (on 7045),
Central America and Martinique, Eastern Europe,Italy and some RTTY,but not
you !!! Wish I had. Saturday / Sunday 40m was hot here.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


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Subject: [Elecraft] Re Elecraft Net Report for April 24-25, 2005


 Hi Kevin !

 Just for information and if u want to QSP Tom, I heard him 549 on 7045.3
at
 0200 z this morning.
 I called till 0227 z bnut to no results ??!! - I will try next time on
 10107.2 and 14050 may be I may get throught !!
 Best 72 from Bob/F5UL
 By the way it's K2 4498 !

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[Elecraft] G - You following this?

2005-04-25 Thread Tom Hammond

Gary:

You following this thread?  This is the second (NOT counting NN0B's) 
problem which may be related to KPA100 parasitics.


Tom
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Hi Rob,
Your problem sound a bit different. What was happening on 
quite a few earlier KPA100's was the diodes in the switching circuit were 
providing enough capacitance to cause a tuned circuit with RFC3 and that 
circuit would break into oscillation and modulate the carrier with a 
spurious signal. The resulting signal then had nasty sidebands and I used 
to get accused of Splatter. It used to occur at powers above about 80w. 
mainly. The fix was to dampen RFC3 with a 1k resistor as well as a resistor 
change in the high voltage bias supply to make sure the HV supply didn't 
drop too low on demand.
The changes are outlined in the K2/100 Manual ( Appendix G) ERRATA   rev. 
C-3, December 14, 2004.  ( steps 1 and 3 )  which is obtainable off the 
Elecraft Web site.

Hope this helps?
Cheers...Ron ZL1TW

At 07:20 AM 4/24/2005 -0700, you wrote:
What are the symptoms of the oscillation? My KPA100 sometimes loses 
connectivity with the K2 and the communications between them is lost. Only 
fix is to power them both down. Don't know where to start looking for the 
problem. RFI?


-rob N7QT
- Original Message - From: Ron ZL1TW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Elecraft] Re: KPA100 question



Hi,
 Just my 2c worth..in the days before the stray oscillation that 
occurred in *some* KPA100's was found and a fix presented, I was advised 
by Gary to try mounting  my C83 on the *TOP* of the ends of the 1 and 3 
winding of T2, and it is still there lying parallel with the PC board, 
so having it slightly off vertical in the suggested position shouldn't 
matter a fig I imagine.

.snip snip.
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Re: [Elecraft] Re Elecraft Net Report for April 24-25, 2005

2005-04-25 Thread Tom Hammond

Bob:

SO SORRY I missed hearing you!  Will try to do a better job next week, 
Bob!!!


I was running about 80W to a 80/40/30m fan dipole with it's apex at about 21m.

But the times should have been 0300Z, I think.

73,

Tom   N0SS

At 04:18 AM 4/25/05, F5UL wrote:

Hi Kevin !

Just for information and if u want to QSP Tom, I heard him 549 on 7045.3 at
0200 z this morning.

I called till 0227z but to no results ??!! - I will try next time on
10107.2 and 14050 may be I may get through!!

Best 72 from Bob/F5UL
By the way it's K2 4498 !


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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Awards ( DX Century Club etc.)

2005-04-25 Thread Robert C. Abell

attn: Larry W2LJ,  Award Administrator
  Eric  WA6HHQ
  Wayne  N6KR

Gary Bartlett, VE1RGB received special mention in last weeks Canadian HF 
Radio Internet Bulletin along with a good plug for Elecraft.


Refer to www.hfradio.net/bulletin/apr 2405n.html#bulletins
(Issue #125 04/24/05 hfradio.net)

Submitted for your information.

Bob Abell  VE3XM
K2  S/N 02676
K2/100  S/N  04031


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Net Report for April 24-25, 2005

2005-04-25 Thread Dave Lowenstein
Hi Kevin,

My K2 is S/N 4795 and I'm located in Tempe, AZ.  Could just barely hear you
at times on 20 and same on 40 at beginning of the net.  I was able to copy
you pretty well by the end of the net.

73,
Dave
N7AF

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[Elecraft] Scanning without end, amen.

2005-04-25 Thread Lloyd Lachow
   When I'm using my scan function on 40M, it just
scans past stations that are S8-9, and keeps going.
I've tried different filter settings, etc. What have I
missed?

   LL/K3ESE

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Re: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with short whip antennas?

2005-04-25 Thread eqtc
Martin,

I understand that a whip attached directly to the BNC jacket of the KXAT1
could give mechanical frictions. The BNC is soldered directly onto the
KXAT1 pcb without support of the enclosure and that makes it somewhat
fragile.

Have fun on the bike and 73 from bikeland nr. 1 : Netherlands ;)

Dick/PA2DW

 Hi.

 I read the manual for the KXAT1 and the advice for
 antennas states that short whip antennas should only
 be used in emergencies.

 Text of the manual included below.

 This seems strange because when I read the HFPack
 yahoo group I can find lots of HAMs who are using the
 KX1/KXAT1 with various HF whips attached to bicycles
 with varying degrees of success.  Any HF whip
 connected
 to a bicycle must be a short whip, probably loaded.

 Anyone have an opinion or personal experience who
 can shed some light?

 I'd like to fit the KX1 to my bike!

 Martin.

 Manual text:

 Backpacking Verticals: The KXAT1 may improve the match
 to a backpacking-style vertical. If the
 antenna has a loading coil, you should first adjust it
 for minimum SWR, since such antennas can be very
 narrow-banded. Set the ATU menu entry to CAL mode
 (bypass) for this purpose, then back to TUN
 mode to further match the antenna using the KXAT1 (if
 necessary).

 Whip Antennas: Short whip antennas connected directly
 to the KX1 may damage the antenna jack or PC
 board, and so should only be used in an emergency.
 They are also very poor radiators.

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RE: [Elecraft] When and where can we see pictures of new amp?

2005-04-25 Thread EricJ
The QRO Gods are about to give you guys an early Xmas present, and you keep
ripping up the corners of the package to see what's inside. Sit back, enjoy
the anticipation and wait for Dayton.

Eric
KE6US 

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 or a kit for the $2800 expected price?

$2800 for which configuration (i.e. 800W or 1500W) would also be of interest
.. hi hi

vy 73 de toby 


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RE: [Elecraft] Scanning without end, amen.

2005-04-25 Thread Sverre Holm
-Original Message-
   When I'm using my scan function on 40M, it just scans past stations that
are S8-9, and keeps going.
I've tried different filter settings, etc. What have I missed?
--


The latest firmware has two scan modes. The old one which scans silently and
stops on each strong station, and the latest one which scans with the
squelch open and does not stop on anything.

I believe the last mode is entered by pressing the scan command for a longer
time. Maybe that's the mode you are using?

73

Sverre
LA3ZA
http://www.qsl.net/la3za/
  

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Re: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with short whip antennas?

2005-04-25 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.

Martin,
The Maldol 20M whip is fine with a radial 10-16ft and a 1ft or so piece 
of bus wire clipped to the top with an alligator clip, at any angle.  I 
worked Florida from Toronto on vacation twice with that antenna, acting 
on Wayne N6KR's lead.  But on a bike you may want something better as 
you havbe the opportunity (and mechanical need) to hold something more 
substantial, such as a Hamstick or a CB whip. Watch the height 
regulations though!  The ground will be different, especially on the low 
bands.  Budd W3FF operates his Buddipole on a bike with great success 
and he uses an inductor in series with the ground to the bike frame on 
60M.  I have heard Budd work the south pole on it SSB!

73,
Leigh.
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 8:20 am, Martin Gillen wrote:

Hi.
I read the manual for the KXAT1 and the advice for antennas states that 
short whip antennas should only be used in emergencies.

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Re: [Elecraft] When and where can we see pictures of new amp?

2005-04-25 Thread K6TFZ
 
The subject title reminds me of  something which happened to me yesterday. I 
went to visit a local new car agency  to view vehicle colors actually on the 
vehicle. I had read the catalog and it  was difficult for me to visualize. I 
told the salesperson the two colors I was  interested in seeing. We went to the 
lot and I saw the first color. He then  started to amble around so I asked him 
to tell me when he found the other color.  His response was, Are you buying 
the book or the car? At that, my trip was  immediately finished and I was out 
the door.
 
Being a ham, appearance does mean  something, and we are usually very 
interested in what is under the  hood.
 
Geoff,  K6TFZ


 
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[Elecraft] K2 #4866 on the air

2005-04-25 Thread Scott Holisky
 Had my first qso with the new rig last night. Worked like a champ! I'm
a happy camper. No issues, alignment went exceptionally smooth. Nothing
but good to say about the whole experience. 
 
In the for what it worth department, this is my second K2. Several
radios later I finally decided that it was time to return to the fold.
So I'm back!
 
72 - Scott N0AR
Vadnais Heights, MN
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
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RE: [Elecraft] When and where can we see pictures of new amp?

2005-04-25 Thread Stan Rife
Well, if that is going to be the price, then they can count me out.
I'll stick with my SB-200.

Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
 

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When and where can we see pictures of new amp?

 or a kit for the $2800 expected price?

$2800 for which configuration (i.e. 800W or 1500W) would also be of 
interest ... hi hi

vy 73 de toby 


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[Elecraft] variacs

2005-04-25 Thread L. D. Ingram

Hi,

A few months ago I let everyone know that I had some salvaged variacs in 
excellent condition - they were all snapped up.


I now have some more available and want to give everyone on the reflector 
first choice before I try to sell them elsewhere.


The specs are:

Variac:
Input: 120VAC, Freq 50/60 Hz, Phase 1
Output: 0-140VAC, Amps 15, KVA 2.1

Motor - Synchronous/Stepper
600 Oz In, 3.3 RPM, 120VAC, .3 Amp, 50/60 Hz

Weight - 25lbs
Geared for one minute end to end sweep of the variac.

Can be used with the motor or disassembled and used separately.

I can let these go for $50.00 + $25.00 for packing and shipping for a total 
of $75.00.


If you are interested please contact me off the recorder 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Thanks for the bandwidth.

Larry Ingram  AG4NN  K2 SN 2529 


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[Elecraft] FS: Elecraft items

2005-04-25 Thread Andrew Moore
I will pay for shipping and insurance on all items.
All items are mint or as-new and about 2 months old.

For the K1:

$60 KFL1-2 board for 40/80 meters, new/unbuilt
$44 KBT1 battery option, new/unbuilt

For the K2:

$160KAT2 tuner, assembled/tested
$40 KNB2 noise blanker, assembled/tested
$80 KAF2 audio filter  clock, assembled/tested

Other:

$175Icom IC-2200 2 meter mobile
$25 Radio Shack regulated power supply, 13.8 VDC, 3 amps
$10 MFJ ClearTone speaker

--Andrew, NV1B


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RE: [Elecraft] Scanning without end, amen.

2005-04-25 Thread Lloyd Lachow

--- Sverre Holm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The latest firmware has two scan modes. The old one
 which scans silently and
 stops on each strong station, and the latest one
 which scans with the
 squelch open and does not stop on anything.
 
 I believe the last mode is entered by pressing the
 scan command for a longer
 time. Maybe that's the mode you are using?


   AHA! The manual didn't spell it out enough for
rtfm-impaired me, but that's just what was going on.
D'oh!


  Thanks to all!


  LL/K3ESE

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Re: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with short whip antennas?

2005-04-25 Thread Martin Gillen
Hi, Paul.

You may be right!  I didn't think about the physical
aspect of it.  For bike mobile I would be mouting a
whip behind me with coax running forward to the rig
in a front basket, I wouldn't even have considered
actually attaching a whip directly to such a tiny
radio!

Martin.

--- Paul Bruneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 25, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Martin Gillen wrote:
 
  Hi.
 
  I read the manual for the KXAT1 and the advice for
  antennas states that short whip antennas should
 only
  be used in emergencies.
 
  Text of the manual included below.
 
 the way I read it, the manual is concerned about the
 mechanical 
 connection being physically damaged by the leverage
 of a whip being 
 directly connected to it. Is that how you are
 reading it too?
 
 I'd love to do some bicycle operating myself, but I
 think I would not 
 want to use the radio as the only anchor for such an
 antenna.
 
  Whip Antennas: Short whip antennas connected
 directly
  to the KX1 may damage the antenna jack or PC
  board, and so should only be used in an emergency.
  They are also very poor radiators.
 
 

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[Elecraft] VCO Oscillator Problems and T5

2005-04-25 Thread Gottlieb, Jonathan

I recently posted a note regarding the fact that I was stuck on the VCO 
Oscillator Test (p.60) of my K2, #4856.  Don, W3FPR gave me some good 
suggestions, but nothing seemed to fix the fact that I couldn't get the 
oscillator to oscillate.  I replaced Q1 and Q2 and the JFET.  Still no 
oscillation.  Being an attorney, not an engineer, I figured I better bring in a 
specialist, so I turned everything over to Andy, WA3LTJ (MSEE and avid builder) 
to see if he could get things working.  After eliminating all other 
possibilities, Andy looked carefully at T5, which turned out to be the problem. 
 Page 54 of the manual tells you that windings 1-2 will look *similar* to Fig. 
6-15.  Page 55 says that windings 3-4 must be wound *exactly* like Fig. 6-16.  
Being an attorney, I read the manual carefully.  I wound 1-2 *similar* to the 
picture and 3-4 *exactly* like the picture. Note the difference between 
*similar* and *exactly*.
 
Here is where I went wrong: my T5 windings 1-2 were in the opposite direction 
as winding 3-4. If the directions of the two sets of windings are not the same, 
then the T5 connections are out of phase and the Oscillator will not oscillate. 
 After rewinding T5 so that both 1-2 and 3-4 are exactly as pictured in Fig. 
6-16, everything is working great.  Am I the only one who has had this problem? 
(Maybe I'm the only lawyer who has tried to build a K2).  I think Elecraft 
should include an errata that says *both* windings of T5 must be look exactly 
as pictured, or at least make sure the windings start and end in the same 
directions. 
 
 
Jonathan Gottlieb
WA3WDK
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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 12, Issue 30

2005-04-25 Thread Wa6bfh
I am interested in chatting with anyone using the Elecraft transverters  with 
their K2100.
 
I am asking in the context of:
 
1) From the person or person's that have them all. Plus, maybe others from  
SSB Electronics, or DEMI etc.
 
2) From looking at the K2 as only an I.F. albeit a 28 MHz I.F. 
 
3) I in fact, to a large extent, am thinking of the transverters as I.F.'s  
at 144 MHz etc!
 
Anybody out there playing in the same sand box?
 
73! de John WA6BFH
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Re: [Elecraft] VCO Oscillator Problems and T5

2005-04-25 Thread vze3v8dt
One of my fellow local hams is also building a K2 now.  He got his before I 
ordered mine after we had discussed this for some time.  I'm glad he ordered 
his first, because it was the kick in the butt that I needed to order mine!  
Anyway, I got off the ground running with assembling mine first, although he 
wasn't too far behind.  When he got to the point where he started winding the 
torroids (and I was already done with mine) he asked me if it seemed to me like 
they were all being wound backwards.  Well, for any of the inductors that are 
just inductors it doesn't matter as there isn't any phase relationship to this, 
just one goesinto and one goesouta lead.  I guess he wound his backwards 
and crossed over the leads to fit into the hole pattern on the board.  I did 
warn him to make sure that if he winds them backwards to do so consistently 
when winding the transformers for the exact reason that Jonathon found out!

Also, even with winding exactly and similarly I still had to tweak the 
spacing of the windings slightly on T5 (I think it was) to get the upper and 
lower band edge voltages set correctly during one of the alignment steps.

Glad you (and your MSEE friend) got it figured out!

Mark, NK8Q
K2 4786

From: Gottlieb, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: [Elecraft] VCO Oscillator Problems and T5


Here is where I went wrong: my T5 windings 1-2 were in the opposite direction 
as winding 3-4. If the directions of the two sets of windings are not the 
same, then the T5 connections are out of phase and the Oscillator will not 
oscillate.  After rewinding T5 so that both 1-2 and 3-4 are exactly as 
pictured in Fig. 6-16, everything is working great.  Am I the only one who has 
had this problem? 

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[Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Able2fly
Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself  out. 
Wonder what others think?
 
Bill  K3UJ
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RE: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with short whip antennas?

2005-04-25 Thread Martin Gillen
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Hi, Ron.

A very informative answer, thanks!  I was thinking
purely
in terms of the electrical characteristics of the
antenna
when I read the manual, not the physical, because to
me
it was obvious that a whip should not be directly
connected to the KX1.

Makes much more sense now!

Thanks,
Martin.



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself  out.
Wonder what others think?


I've priced the transistors and I've priced power supplies. I don't
think this amp will be cheap, which is why I keep looking for a used
SB220.

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FW: [Elecraft] VCO Oscillator Problems and T5

2005-04-25 Thread Dan Barker
snip
(Maybe I'm the only lawyer who has tried to build a K2).
/snip

Your lawyer comment makes me think of a funny story from the 1990's. Yes,
lawyers _ARE_ different.

We sell software, and there is a license agreement. It's about 3,000 words,
and contains the phrase on your own data (among the other 2,996 words).

One customer, who was a service bureau (operates on other people's data) had
a problem with that phrase. Their lawyer sent a suggested addendum to our
license containing about 2,000 words listing and defining the owners of the
data on which our product could be used under that license.

I studied the document at length, and it appeared to express things fairly,
but something just didn't sit right. So, I called her on the phone and
suggested we strike the four offensive words and run the license agreement
without her additions. She said, That's exactly what we want. I just never
thought of that!

Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Kevin Rock
I thought this amp was going to be spendy.  You are near the range where 
my estimates begin.  I figured on $3k+ if not more.  The legal limit 
linear may be over $5k so I would have to mortgage the house!

   Kevin.  KD5ONS



On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Hisashi T Fujinaka 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself  out.
Wonder what others think?


I've priced the transistors and I've priced power supplies. I don't
think this amp will be cheap, which is why I keep looking for a used
SB220.






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FW: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Dan Barker
Who could ever need more than 640K (5 watts)?

Bill Gates

snip
I figured on $3k+ if not more.  The legal limit linear may be over $5k so I
would have to mortgage the house!
/snip

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RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread N2TK, Tony
Well, it all depends what you get. Without seeing it and/or seeing the specs
it is somewhat difficult to make a statement about the amp. If it's auto
everything in a tiny lightweight package with 1500W out on SSB and CW I
might start drooling even before I get to Dayton.
Does it cover 160-10 or 160-6M?
Will it keep my coffee hot if I put the cup on the heat sink?
Does it have a remote control head so I can put the amp in the basement and
not have the heat and noise of an amp in the shack (One nice advantage of my
2000A)?
How is the QSK in it?
What power out with continuous modes?
Does it switch bands automatically when changing bands with your
transceiver, whether a K2 or other brand without having to send a dit?
What kind of SWR will it handle?

So, it sure seems premature to make a decision on the amp. That's what I
think.
N2TK, Tony



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Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself  out.
Wonder what others think?

Bill  K3UJ
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[Elecraft] Mic connector part number

2005-04-25 Thread Ken Kaplan

Hi all.
Does anyone have a part number for the 8 pin mic plug (part that goes on 
the mic cable) preferably from Mouser?

73
Ken WB2ART

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Vic Rosenthal

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself  out. 
Wonder what others think?


You need to consider what it is competing with.  Sure you can get an SB220 for 
about $450 -- but this amp:


1) Is fully automatically tuned and bandswitched. It's able to get band info 
from Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, and Elecraft (K2) exciters as well as determine 
frequency with an internal counter;


2) Has silent full QSK;

3) Weighs only 16 lb;

4) Includes an autotuner with memories;

5) Is instant-on;

6) Is overdesigned and Elecraft quality;

7) May include the 6 meter band.

8) Is all solid-state with appropriate protective circuitry.

Yaesu has an amplifier which almost meets these specs and lists for $3995.

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Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] Premature Emails on the Amp $$$

2005-04-25 Thread David
yes you are right we should wait for Eric and Wayne to talk first
but it is hard to wait

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:37 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Premature Emails on the Amp $$$


 
 
 Gosh fellows
 
 Lets stop talking about the price.  It seems that we
 are jumping to a lot of conclusions here.  Remember,
 the guys at Aptos are reading on this and we need to
 give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
 There are 26 days to Dayton
 
 Lee - K0WA
 
 
 Common sense is in short supply - get some and use it.
 If you can't find any common sense, ask somebody who owns some.
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[Elecraft] Re: Re Elecraft Net Report for April 24-25, 2005

2005-04-25 Thread Kevin Rock

Howdy Bob,
   Thank you for trying.  I have another op from Scotland who keeps trying 
but just can't quite make it in.  One of these days we may get some relays 
from the East Coast into the heartland and thence to the West Coast.  But 
you were hearing Tom direct.  Fine business.  Today, at 1600z, my sked 
into Oklahoma was very good.  After the first 15 minutes or so the band 
got very stong with only slight QSB.  The noise level had dropped from 
last week so it was easy copy.  Thus my CW mentor sped up!  But this is 
his nature.  He wants me to break through into a bit faster realm.  The 
Elecraft Net is on 7045 and 14050 kHz each Sunday.  We never did try 30 
meters but will try 80 meters if my employment situation ever stabilizes.  
I have loop on the roof which is in need of some rope.  If I have to move 
across the country for a job it makes no sense to put it up just to take 
it down a few weeks later.  But the low take off angle just may help work 
across the Atlantic Ocean.  One day I hope to put K2 #4498 into the log.

   Kevin.  KD5ONS



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Hi Kevin !

Just for information and if u want to QSP Tom, I heard him 549 on 7045.3 
at

0200 z this morning.
I called till 0227 z bnut to no results ??!! - I will try next time on
10107.2 and 14050 may be I may get throught !!
Best 72 from Bob/F5UL
By the way it's K2 4498 !









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Re: [Elecraft] Premature Emails on the Amp $$$

2005-04-25 Thread Kevin Rock
Normally Elecraft announces a product and then is open for comments and 
questions.  This time the product has been announced and shown but we only 
get information from the folks who saw it at the hamfest.  I wonder why 
they decided upon this route instead of the normal, full disclosure?

   Kevin.


On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:41:16 -0400, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


yes you are right we should wait for Eric and Wayne to talk first
but it is hard to wait



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RE: [Elecraft] Premature Emails on the Amp $$$

2005-04-25 Thread Charlie Hicks

What we have here is a case of over excited, premature amplification!  HI HI

Sorry - just had to do that...

I tip my hat to the Elecraft folks.  They have delivered nothing but stellar
products, well engineered and fairly priced.

I am anxious to see this amp.  And will be at Dayton.  I have a Ten Tec
Hercules II now but would be glad to upgrade to something with a lot more
features and capability.

Let's give them a chance to finalize their product, specs, pricing, etc.
But the price will most likely be up there pretty well from what I'm hearing
in capability.

I'm curious to see what they will have for a power supply.

Charlie  K0CKH

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Re: [Elecraft] Premature Emails on the Amp $$$

2005-04-25 Thread Paul Bruneau

On Apr 25, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Lee Buller wrote:


Gosh fellows

Lets stop talking about the price.  It seems that we
are jumping to a lot of conclusions here.  Remember,
the guys at Aptos are reading on this and we need to
give them the benefit of the doubt.


Yes, I'm sure they are reading it, and I'm sure they are finding the 
different responses very useful information. They are big boys, I'm 
sure they can take the input that people have given so far without 
getting their feelings hurt.


Signed,

Strictly a QRPer with no dog in the fight

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Re: [Elecraft] Premature Emails on the Amp $$$

2005-04-25 Thread Charles Bland
Being on e of the lucky folks that saw this jewel, I can say while it has 
indeed been shown (albeit to a select audience) it has not been announced. I 
haven't seen one email yet from our Buds in Aptos.

When I saw it, Eric was looking for comment, input, and reaction. The unit was 
still being tested and evaluated, and his taget date was Dayton.

Sounds like he's on track for that.

Cut some slack guys. It will be worth the wait. I know...I know...it's tough.

Chuck Bland - n6dbt

Note Kevin Rock's stunning brilliance and Chuck's apt reply (gack!)

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From:   Kevin Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization:   El Nath Company
Date sent:  Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:49:12 -0700

 Normally Elecraft announces a product and then is open for comments and 
 questions.  This time the product has been announced and shown but we only 
 get information from the folks who saw it at the hamfest.  I wonder why 
 they decided upon this route instead of the normal, full disclosure?
 Kevin.
 
 
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  yes you are right we should wait for Eric and Wayne to talk first
  but it is hard to wait
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Vic Rosenthal

Vic Rosenthal wrote:


3) Weighs only 16 lb;


Typo, that should be 36 lbs.  Sorry, too good to be true!

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Re: [Elecraft] Mic connector part number

2005-04-25 Thread Ken Kaplan

Thanks to all who responded.

The stupid thing about all this, was there was an 8 pin mic connector
staring up at me, when I went downstairs to the basement workshop.

Just have to stop jumping the gun.

73
Ken WB2ART

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RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Craig Rairdin
 Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself  out.
 Wonder what others think?

My other hobby is flying my Beech Baron light twin airplane. The numbers you
guys are tossing around sound like cheap entertainment by comparison. :-)

Craig

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
I don't think the Elecraft amp is targetting the budget end of the
market. You can't do that with a solid state amp - tubes are still a
decidedly cheaper way to go high power. This amp is really two
separate products - a very light, yet high quality expedition amp and
a state-of-the-art, full power, fully automated home station amp
capable of SO2R1A. (That's running two transceivers with a single,
time-shared amp.) I believe it will be competing initially in a field
of one in both categories. There are some lightweight amps out htere
but they have awful reputations for reliability. And I know of nothing
yet that has the bandswitching speed and flexibility to support SO2R
with one amp. I don't know what the price will be, but you will have
to divide it by two to figure the impact on a contester building an
SO2R station.

/Rick N6XI 

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Larry Makoski W2LJ
Whatever the price  makes me glad I'm QRP   I couldn't afford it 
at half or quarter the price! Hi! But for those in the need of such an 
item; I would suggest that if you have or need to buy one - Elecraft is 
definitely the way to go.


That all said,  I am saving to purchase the KPA100 someday.

73 de Larry W2LJ

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RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Stan Rife
That's just about the ceiling I had in mind as well. And I would
think that, for a kit, it should be considerably less. For the legal
limit???maybe a little more, but not much more.

Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
 

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Subject: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out 

Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself  out. 
Wonder what others think?
 
Bill  K3UJ


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Re: [Elecraft] Premature Emails on the Amp $$$

2005-04-25 Thread NR5A
Hmm the way I see it is I don't need a amp. If I can't make a contact with 5
watts then I don't need to be on the air. hi hi

Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota


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RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Stan Rife
My idea of spendy IS 1500 bucks. 10,500 bucks for a radio is pure
H S...  I think the whole amateur market is getting out of hand. But
that is just my opinion. 

Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
 

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out 

I thought this amp was going to be spendy.  You are near the range where 
my estimates begin.  I figured on $3k+ if not more.  The legal limit 
linear may be over $5k so I would have to mortgage the house!
Kevin.  KD5ONS







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Re: [Elecraft] variacs

2005-04-25 Thread lyle johnson

Hello Larry!

I am very interested in one if you have any left.  DO you 
accept paypal?


tnx es 73,

Lyle KK7P

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:00:24 -0400
 L. D. Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

A few months ago I let everyone know that I had some 
salvaged variacs in excellent condition - they were all 
snapped up.


I now have some more available and want to give everyone 
on the reflector first choice before I try to sell them 
elsewhere.


The specs are:

Variac:
Input: 120VAC, Freq 50/60 Hz, Phase 1
Output: 0-140VAC, Amps 15, KVA 2.1

Motor - Synchronous/Stepper
600 Oz In, 3.3 RPM, 120VAC, .3 Amp, 50/60 Hz

Weight - 25lbs
Geared for one minute end to end sweep of the variac.

Can be used with the motor or disassembled and used 
separately.


I can let these go for $50.00 + $25.00 for packing and 
shipping for a total of $75.00.


If you are interested please contact me off the recorder 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Thanks for the bandwidth.

Larry Ingram  AG4NN  K2 SN 2529 
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[Elecraft] requested v. actual power out

2005-04-25 Thread Lloyd Lachow
  On 30-80m, with the power set to 5W, I'm getting
6-7W, even with the KAT2 installed. These are the
kinds of readings I saw prior to installing the tuner,
and I was hoping the ATU would normalize that.

   The power out on the higher bands ranges from 5 -
5.5 W or so.

   On a borrowed K2, for which I built and installed
an ATU, the power out was typically within 0.1W  of
the requested power.

   Maybe related to this, maybe not, is that during
CALn, the lowest value I could ever get was 007.

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Agreed. I would like to see a complete tech spec not just a sales spec, and
have a look inside the amp, before smiling at the bank -and you know who.

Geoff,
GM4ESD

- Original Message -
From: N2TK, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Elecraft (E-mail) elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out


 Well, it all depends what you get. Without seeing it and/or seeing the
specs
 it is somewhat difficult to make a statement about the amp. If it's auto
 everything in a tiny lightweight package with 1500W out on SSB and CW I
 might start drooling even before I get to Dayton.
 Does it cover 160-10 or 160-6M?
 Will it keep my coffee hot if I put the cup on the heat sink?
 Does it have a remote control head so I can put the amp in the basement
and
 not have the heat and noise of an amp in the shack (One nice advantage of
my
 2000A)?
 How is the QSK in it?
 What power out with continuous modes?
 Does it switch bands automatically when changing bands with your
 transceiver, whether a K2 or other brand without having to send a dit?
 What kind of SWR will it handle?

 So, it sure seems premature to make a decision on the amp. That's what I
 think.
 N2TK, Tony




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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 4/25/05 7:29:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


 I think the whole amateur market is getting out of hand. But
 that is just my opinion. 
 

Well, take a look at what ham gear used to cost...and what the average person 
made an hour/week/month/year. IIRC, a Collins 75A-4 cost about $700 back 45 
years ago - when a $5000/yr income meant a solid middle class life for a family 
of four. (And the 75A-4 is just a *receiver*!)

73 de Jim, N2EY
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[Elecraft] Just a guess

2005-04-25 Thread Tom McCulloch

This is just a guess,

  Occasionally on this list and others, some of the guys have mentioned a 
series of power transistors (Motorola comes to mind, but I'm not sure).  The 
web site looks very inviting for those interested in QRO and a short 
discussion inevitably ensues.  Also inevitably, some of the guys who have 
tried building these things warn about the absolutely terrible customer 
service problems they've experienced while trying to build one of these 
amps, and that sort of puts a damper on the whole thread.


 So, just as a guess, what we have is an interesting possibility for what 
looks like might be a good an amp, but with lousy customer service.  And 
Elecraft, whose logo you see in the dictionary when you look up Customer 
Service.


 So my guess is that the Aptos connection has found something with pretty 
good potential and will add their word class customer service and have a 
pretty good amplifier.


As for the price---where did these numbers come from anyway?

Just guessing,

Tom, WB2QDG
K2 1103 (Happy with 5 watts) 


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[Elecraft] New Amp??

2005-04-25 Thread W2AGN
Seeing all the discussion on the possible new amp, as in 800 watts or 1500 
watts, $1500 or $2800...

All I can say is, Sure hate to see so many going over to the Dark Side (QRO). 

What's next? A new Elecraft Echolink Computer?

(Just kidding...sort of...)

John W2AGN
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RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Larry W2LJ wrote: 

That all said,  I am saving to purchase the KPA100 someday.



Cost is one of the biggest problems of going up in scale, and why,
historically, legal limit powers were run only by a relatively small
percentage of the Hams. 

The difference between 100 watts and 800 watts is virtually identical to the
difference between 15 watts and 100 watts. 

More power = more flexibility under various conditions. But, like all else,
it's a trade-off between what is practical and what fits the budget. 

Ron AC7AC





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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Earl W Cunningham
$2800 (if that's a true figure) is quite inexpensive when you compare the
KPA800 (if that's the correct model designator) with the closest
competition on the market: the Icom PW-1 and the Yaesu Quadra.

Both of those amps are solid state auto-tune and are rated at 1000 watts
out on HF and 500 watts out on 6m.  Both weigh in excess of 55 lbs
including the built-in power supply.

The KPA800 weighs 16 kg (35.5 lbs --  not 16 lbs as reported earlier on
the list).

The street price of a new PW-1 is $4600 and a new Quadra is $4000.

The legal limit KPA1500 (if that's the correct model designator) would be
in direct competition with the Alpha 87 and the Acom 2000 amps, which are
both legal limit tube amps with auto-tune features and prices approaching
$7000.  To my knowledge, the KPA1500 would be the first legal limit solid
state auto-tune HF amplifier to hit the market.

IF YOU'RE IN THE MARKET FOR A QUALITY SOLID-STATE (or tube) HF AMP,
you'll probably get more for less if you go with Elecraft.  If you're not
in the market for such an amplifier, don't flame the speculated price.

What we have to do now is wait until Eric and/or Wayne gives further
details about the amp on this reflector.

73, de Earl, K6SE
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[Elecraft] Menu Switch Not Working

2005-04-25 Thread Allan Bacon

Menu Switch Not Working –

The menu switch is much worse. It is still intermittent, but mostly not 
working. I checked the circuit connections from the Menu button to U3 pin 6 
(/BANK 1) and to U2 pin 6 (D7). All checked fine and I also checked 
connections at RP1, again fine.


The XIT button works, all the other front panel switches seem to work OK, 
so does the RIT switch.


I had an Electrical Engineer friend who is a ham go over this all with me 
this afternoon and he concurred that all seems as it should be, and at one 
time the menu switch worked, but all the rest of the time no effect.


We connected the two appropriate poles of the switch, still no action on 
the circuit.


Reheated all the pins on U2 and U3

I performed a hard reset by holding down the 4,5, 6 buttons at the same 
time when the power is turned on and no effect on the menu switch.


Is it possible that I have a bad U2 or U3? I do not know what else to check 
– suggestions?


KI4HRN
Allan Bacon
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800/1500 count me IN...

2005-04-25 Thread Bill NY9H

GOOD ENOUGH TO SEE AGAIN :

Earl W Cunningham wrote:
If you're not in the market for such an amplifier, don't flame the 
speculated price


right on EARL.

BILL   ny9h.


might be more fun (  productive)  to speculate on the output devices

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FW: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Cyberia
I sent this by mistake to Stan (W5EWA) when I meant to send it to the group.

Sorry, Stan!

-Original Message- 

I seem to recall when I was a youngun and first getting interested in
amateur radio that everybody knew Collins was the Cadillac of rigs. I've
never owned or operated one, nor do I have any first-hand knowledge of their
quality or how much they cost. 

I therefore obtained the following cost info off the web. It seems that the
Collins 75S-3C receiver cost about $750.00 in 1967. According to an
inflation calculator I found, that's the equivalent of about $4200.00 today,
and it's only a receiver. 

Should it then be a big surprise that the IC-7800 with its two independent
receivers (and transmitter) costs $10K+?

...ducks as those who think it heretical to even compare the two begin to
foam at the mouth


De N3WZ - Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:elecraft-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Rife
 Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:03 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
 
   My idea of spendy IS 1500 bucks. 10,500 bucks for a radio is pure
 H S...  I think the whole amateur market is getting out of hand. But
 that is just my opinion.
 
 Stan Rife
 W5EWA
 Houston, TX
 K2 S/N 4216
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rock
 Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:13 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
 
 I thought this amp was going to be spendy.  You are near the range where
 my estimates begin.  I figured on $3k+ if not more.  The legal limit
 linear may be over $5k so I would have to mortgage the house!
 Kevin.  KD5ONS
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread K6TFZ
In a message dated 4/25/2005 18:06:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  difference between 100 watts and 800 watts is virtually identical to  the
difference between 15 watts and 100 watts. 
 
No quite, but almost. It's 9 dB. That would make the difference between 15  
watts
and 120 watts.
 
Geoff, K6TFZ



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Re: [Elecraft] New Amp??

2005-04-25 Thread Margaret Leber

W2AGN wrote:


All I can say is, Sure hate to see so many going over to the Dark Side...


I'm sure they said that about the KSB2. :-)

 73 de Maggie, K2 1641 (almost finished, some small bugs yet to squash)

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[Elecraft] (OT) Baking PC boards in the toaster oven...

2005-04-25 Thread Ron McDowell - W5RCM / ZS1MCD
Somebody on here (I think) posted about using a toaster oven
to melt solder on a SMD PC board... How long and how hot?  I imagine
it must be 450+ (farenheit)  Thanks!
--
72, Ron McDowell - W5RCM / ZS1MCD
w5rcm at volente dot us
Austin TX / Hermanus ZA

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[Elecraft] KW Amp Prices

2005-04-25 Thread frank
All of the current breed of KW solid state amps use
8 each MRF-150 Mosfets in the output stage.   1000 watts
keydown output is the maximum you can squeeze out of those
8 transistors and still have a margin of safety.
The least expensive of the lot is the new Tokyo Hypower
HL2KFX at around $2600 plus $330 shipping.  Its a bare
bones KW amp at 54 lbs with its built in switching power supply.
If you add a KW autotuner to the combination, the price starts
to get up near the $4000 range.  Very few in the hobby can afford it.
 So there is a very limited prospect for sales unless the price could
be kept below 3K.   Here is the web link for a very interesting amp.

http://www.thp.co.jp/thp%20hp%20Eng/amateur_eng/hf_eng.htm#2kfx



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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Baking PC boards in the toaster oven...

2005-04-25 Thread Kevin Rock
I know there was an article on Seattle Robotics Society's web page.  I'll 
see if I can find it.  Thanks for waiting.  Here is the URL  
http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/26/oven_art.htm   In robotics 
we need to worry about our power consumption and about weight on board the 
robot.  Much like QRP gear.  Surface mount devices are a great way to save 
on both.  They are also cheaper than through hole electronics.  Even 
though my eyes are getting old and far sighted is not a good thing (as 
well as an astigmatism that is blinding) I find I can work with surface 
mount devices with out much difficulty.  You need fairly steady hands and 
your normal size tip for soldering your Elecraft bits together.  I do use 
a cake tin to keep from chasing after parts and for static discharge.  As 
long as you stay away from coffee or Coke you're fine.  The toaster oven 
just makes it easier to build one sided surface mount boards.  Double 
sided boards get tricky because the parts keep melting off the down side ;)

   Hope this helps,
  Kevin.






On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:13:05 -0500 (CDT), Ron McDowell - W5RCM / ZS1MCD 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Somebody on here (I think) posted about using a toaster oven
to melt solder on a SMD PC board... How long and how hot?  I imagine
it must be 450+ (farenheit)  Thanks!
--
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w5rcm at volente dot us
Austin TX / Hermanus ZA



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RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out

2005-04-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
-Original Message-
AC7AC writes:

The  difference between 100 watts and 800 watts is virtually identical to
the difference between 15 watts and 100 watts. 
 
No quite, but almost. It's 9 dB. That would make the difference between 15  
watts
and 120 watts.
 
Geoff, K6TFZ



My apologies if my rough dB numbers caused confusion, Geoff. 

I was trying to say that the difference in signal strength between a K2/100
and an 800 watt amp is, for all practical purposes, identical to the
difference between a QRP K2 and a K2/100.

Ron AC7AC


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net errata

2005-04-25 Thread Kevin Rock


First off I have KL7CC's serial number incorrect:

Jim's K2 is 3935.

But the most egregious error was not in circling a call sign on my list.

W1TF - Ty - GA - K1 - 1423

Just wrote me a note.  He was indeed copied on the 20 meter net last 
night.  He was in my notes but I failed to circle the call sign.  This is 
how I assure the calls wind up on my list for the roll call at the end of 
the net.  Thus he missed being listed in my report as well.


Now for the great news.  With that one extra QNI ECN has had 1500 check 
ins since day one.


I know we have missed a few over that period but we keep trying.  Last 
night we missed two that would have been nice.  Geoff from Scotland heard 
VE3XL (Ric) check in and Bob, F5UL, from France heard Tom but we did not 
hear either one of these folks.  Bands were pretty good last night but the 
ops who run this crazy net were not on the ball.  Well at least one of us 
was not on the ball!


Please keep trying so we can get to the 3000 mark.  Closer in time will be 
the second anniversary on June 6th.  That one should be fun.  I hope the 
band conditions are great that day so we can work 30 stations or more.


73,
Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)



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RE: [Elecraft] (OT) Baking PC boards in the toaster oven...

2005-04-25 Thread EricJ
Here's the links I was given:

This one is seat-of-the-pants style
http://www.beloev.net/gbvio.html

This one is more sophisticated and more expensive, but still reasonable
http://www.circuitcellar.com/library/print/0704/Lacoste_168/ 

I'm going to try the first one, but if it works, I'm going to build the
second one.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron McDowell - W5RCM
/ ZS1MCD
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:13 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Baking PC boards in the toaster oven...

Somebody on here (I think) posted about using a toaster oven to melt solder
on a SMD PC board... How long and how hot?  I imagine it must be 450+
(farenheit)  Thanks!
--
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w5rcm at volente dot us
Austin TX / Hermanus ZA

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Re: [Elecraft] KW Amp Prices

2005-04-25 Thread DYARNES
 
In a message dated 4/25/2005 9:15:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  least expensive of the lot is the new Tokyo Hypower
HL2KFX at around $2600  plus $330 shipping.  Its a bare
bones KW amp at 54 lbs with its built  in switching power supply.
If you add a KW autotuner to the combination,  the price starts
to get up near the $4000 range.  Very few in the  hobby can afford it.
So there is a very limited prospect for sales unless  the price could
be kept below 3K.   Here is the web link for a  very interesting amp.





Although I can afford it, they will play H E double toothpick selling me  
one at anything close to that price--probably at any price.  Amps are, in  my 
view, the most overpriced pieces of gear in the hamshack.  If you spend  one 
tenth of that amount sprucing up your antenna system you will get more  
benefit. 
 The worst thing that ever happened to ham radio was when they  allowed 
amplifiers that run more power than the local commercial radio  station.  The 
U.K. 
allows, I think, a maximum of 400 watts---or is that  Australia?  Anyway, 
that's plenty!  From that level, the most you can  improve your signal is about 
1 
S unit--unless you cheat!  Anything more  than a couple hundred watts just 
creates QRM--it becomes brute force  rather than technique!  Obviously I'm 
spitting in the wind, but I just  don't see the fun of running that much power. 
 
In truth, I'm just a tad  disappointed that a company, which has such strong 
roots in lower power  equipment and innovation, finds it necessary to jump into 
the QRO market.   I realize that everyone has to make a living somehow, but 
the incredible talent  in that company could seemingly be much better utilized 
in a thousand other ways  than amps.  I can only conclude that the markup must 
be phenominal!
 
Dave W7AQK
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Re: [Elecraft] requested v. actual power out

2005-04-25 Thread Bruce Bowman
I'm experiencing a similar result with just-completed #4793. Power 
displayed at the bottom end of a 2-needle Armitron power meter seems to 
agree with expected better than the internal power reading. I've assumed 
that the problem is accumulated calibration errors between the K2 ADC 
and the external meter, but...??? Consistent with this is the displayed 
current which also reads high by about 15% above the high limit.

Bruce, NM5B
Santa Fe, NM

- Original Message - 
From: Lloyd Lachow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:02 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] requested v. actual power out


  On 30-80m, with the power set to 5W, I'm getting
 6-7W, even with the KAT2 installed. These are the
 kinds of readings I saw prior to installing the tuner,
 and I was hoping the ATU would normalize that.

   The power out on the higher bands ranges from 5 -
 5.5 W or so.

   On a borrowed K2, for which I built and installed
 an ATU, the power out was typically within 0.1W  of
 the requested power.

   Maybe related to this, maybe not, is that during
 CALn, the lowest value I could ever get was 007.

   LL/ K3ESE   K2  #4442
 

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Re: [Elecraft] KW Amp Prices

2005-04-25 Thread Vic Rosenthal

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you spend  one 
tenth of that amount sprucing up your antenna system you will get more  benefit. 


If you already have a 'basic tribander' or similar on a 40-foot tower, the next 
step up is to a 'serious' beam on a 70 foot tower.  That will cost you more than 
most amps, and in many cases is impossible because of neighbors, zoning, etc. 
If your antenna is currently a hamstick, then, yes, spruce it up first!


Anything more  than a couple hundred watts just 
creates QRM--it becomes brute force  rather than technique!  


Suppose you have a couple of hundred watts and you are trying to work DX on 160 
meters.  There will be lots of times that you call a station and he simply 
doesn't hear you.  If you are just below the noise level at his location, a 
couple of DB may put you just over, and you will be heard.  You can work a lot 
of DX with low power, but that doesn't mean that there's no value in higher power.


In truth, I'm just a tad  disappointed that a company, which has such strong 
roots in lower power  equipment and innovation, finds it necessary to jump into 
the QRO market.   I realize that everyone has to make a living somehow, but 
the incredible talent  in that company could seemingly be much better utilized 
in a thousand other ways  than amps.  I can only conclude that the markup must 
be phenominal!


I find this statement offensive.  Your personal prejudices are not moral 
imperatives.  There's nothing evil about QRO, and a manufacturer selling QRO 
equipment is not profiting from sin.  Given the short transmitting duty cycle 
and the relatively small amount of time we spend operating, the additional 
energy expended by QRO station compared to a 100 watt station is small indeed. 
The markup is not phenomenal, by the way.  If you have ever built high power 
gear either with tubes or solid-state devices, you know that the cost of the 
components is much greater.


In the US we are permitted by our license to use 1500 watts.  We are also 
required to use the minimum amount of power necessary to maintain communication 
in any particular case.  I suggest that we improve ourselves morally (and 
legally) by trying to follow this last rule rather than beating up on the 
manfacturers of amplifiers.


--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco

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Re: [Elecraft] KXAT1 with short whip antennas?

2005-04-25 Thread Martin Gillen
Hi, Leigh.

Thanks for the informative reply!

I hadn't thought about the ground since that is the
bike frame!  I'll have to lookup Budd's information
and see what value of inductor to use there or how to
calculate it...

I'll also have to lookup Canadian height regulations
for a mobile antenna :)

Thanks again,
Martin.

--- Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Martin,
 The Maldol 20M whip is fine with a radial 10-16ft
 and a 1ft or so piece 
 of bus wire clipped to the top with an alligator
 clip, at any angle.  I 
 worked Florida from Toronto on vacation twice with
 that antenna, acting 
 on Wayne N6KR's lead.  But on a bike you may want
 something better as 
 you havbe the opportunity (and mechanical need) to
 hold something more 
 substantial, such as a Hamstick or a CB whip. Watch
 the height 
 regulations though!  The ground will be different,
 especially on the low 
 bands.  Budd W3FF operates his Buddipole on a bike
 with great success 
 and he uses an inductor in series with the ground to
 the bike frame on 
 60M.  I have heard Budd work the south pole on it
 SSB!
 73,
 Leigh.
 On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 8:20 am, Martin Gillen wrote:
  Hi.
  I read the manual for the KXAT1 and the advice for
 antennas states that 
  short whip antennas should only be used in
 emergencies.
 

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