[Elecraft] [K3] UPS as shipping option to the EU (was: K3 Shipping options to UK)

[dj7mgq]

Hallo,

My white box (or in my case brown box) from Aptos arrived at 10:26 CET (09:26
UTC) on the 14th of November 2007, and appears to be undamaged. :)

Because the German Postal Service will not accept packages with a high insurance
value, I had to use UPS. The prices Lisa quoted for expedited and express were
almost the same, so I went with express (enough of the waiting thing). 

In less than 36 hours after shipping, my K3/100 kit was delivered to me at my
work place in Ismaning, Germany (very close to Munich). I did not have to pay
the driver the "Import Tax" - the 19% ersatz as VAT for imports here in DL. I
assume I will be getting a bill from UPS or customs for this. 

For about $200, UPS Express worked well for me. But the extra costs for VAT and
shipping are irksome to say the least.


UPS Tracking:

All times are local !

ALLERSHAUSEN, DE
14/11/2007  7:01IN TRANSIT

GARCHING, DE
14/11/2007  5:33ARRIVAL SCAN

KOELN (COLOGNE), DE 
14/11/2007  4:38DEPARTURE SCAN
14/11/2007  4:24DEPARTURE SCAN

KOELN (COLOGNE), DE 
13/11/2007  23:23   IMPORT SCAN
13/11/2007  22:06   ARRIVAL SCAN

PHILADELPHIA, PA,  US   
13/11/2007  8:56DEPARTURE SCAN

KOELN (COLOGNE), DE 
13/11/2007  13:11   REGISTERED WITH CLEARING AGENCY / 
SHIPMENT SUBMITTED TO CLEARING AGENCY
13/11/2007  13:08   PACKAGE DATA PROCESSED BY BROKERAGE. 
WAITING FOR CLEARANCE / 
RELEASED BY CLEARING AGENCY. 
NOW IN-TRANSIT FOR DELIVERY

PHILADELPHIA, PA,  US   
13/11/2007  6:49ARRIVAL SCAN

LOUISVILLE, KY,  US 
13/11/2007  5:06DEPARTURE SCAN
13/11/2007  3:15EXPORT SCAN
13/11/2007  2:52EXPORT SCAN
13/11/2007  2:06ARRIVAL SCAN

SAN JOSE, CA,  US   
12/11/2007  19:07   DEPARTURE SCAN
12/11/2007  17:53   ARRIVAL SCAN

KOELN (COLOGNE), DE 
13/11/2007  2:53PACKAGE DATA PROCESSED BY BROKERAGE. 
WAITING FOR CLEARANCE

SANTA CRUZ, CA,  US 
12/11/2007  17:43   DEPARTURE SCAN
12/11/2007  17:10   ORIGIN SCAN
12/11/2007  16:09   COLLECTION SCAN

US  
12/11/2007  18:39   BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED


I wonder how I will get anything done today.

vy 73 de toby
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K2/100 #3248
K3/100 #??? (arrived, but unpacked)
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Re: [Elecraft] Revised Ode To My Phantom K3

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

As one who also waits, can I just say how much I and what's worse, my
family, can relate to this! Same blood group too!
Very well done Sir.


On 13/11/07 23:52, "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> I'm still bored!
> Here's my final version!
> 
> I'm awfully wound up and in deepest distress
> When I last talked to Lisa she said in a week, perhaps less
> You'll be hearing from me, you are getting so close
> But two weeks have now passed with no word from Aptos.
> 
> The wait is so painful, my gut's in a knot
> I so wish I could see that new rig that I bought.
> Be patient they say, so I'm biting my lips
> I may need a transfusion before my K3 ships.
> 
> And all of you others who share my despair
> Know only too well why I have no more hair.
> The nails on my fingers are bloody and short
> I've gnawed them all off I am sad to report.
> 
> I toss in my sleep, and I mumble strange phrases
> And my wife is concerned by my long empty gazes.
> My dog now avoids me, he knows something's amiss
> He just can't understand something painful like this.
> 
> I must stop all this moaning, buck up, and be strong
> After six long, dry months, can the wait still be long?
> I'll continue my vigil, Heck! what else can I do
> (I'm a mess you can tell, it's like getting the flu.)
> 
> Stop this nonsense you fool! Get hold of yourself!
> After all, as the Brits say, it's only more pelf.
> Kiss the wife, pet the dog, make the most of your time
> Don't encourage frustration with dumb lines of rhyme.
> 
> But I do have one favour I think I should ask
> If I turn out to be less than up to the task
> If any of you happen to be passing my way
> Check on me please if your blood type is A
> 
>  Positive, that is!
> 
> O.K.  I'll quit now
> Dave W7AQK

-- 
If you must play, decide on three things at the start: the rules of the
game, the stakes, and the quitting time. -Chinese Proverb


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[Julian G4ILO]

On Nov 13, 2007 8:43 PM, Craig Rairdin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Pardon my ignorance but I don't understand how your station layout would be
> improved with an external ATU. The KAT3 occupies the same space inside the
> K3 as the KANT3. An external tuner would result in more, not less, space
> being taken outside the radio (albeit remotely mounted), plus you'd have
> another cable to route.
>
> There may be something about having a 6m beam that works better with a
> remote ATU and that's fine -- I just don't understand how this is all driven
> by limited desk space. The same amount of desk space is taken up with the
> ATU inside the K3 as outside.

I think you're missing the point. Many people with limited situations
have to make do with antennas that are not resonant on some bands. In
that situation it is much better to have the tuner close to the
antenna feed point.

Many people in limited situations may also have restrictions such as
only able to get one or two thin cables into the shack. The remote
switching suggested by Alan would allow two antennas to share the same
feeder coming in to the shack.

If a product was available that offered these features with the same
operating convenience you get with an internal ATU then I'd join those
who have already said they'd buy it.

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[Elecraft] In the words of the song :-)

[charles]

For it's a long, long time,   from May to December

And I haven't got the time,   for the waiting game

And the days dwindle down,   to a precious few

September,  November

And these few precious days,  with my old K2...

Tra la la ...
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[Elecraft] First K3 arrived at Hong Kong

[johnny]

Hello Group,

My K3 departed US on 8 Nov 2007 and arrived at Hong Kong today.

I will come back to the Group upon completion of assembly.

cheers,

Johnny Siu VR2XMC
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[Elecraft] Re: K3 Wish list

[ALANG8FMH]

 
In a message dated 13/11/2007 22:03:59 GMT Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
Craig Rairdin NZ0R Wrote

Pardon  my ignorance but I don't understand how your station layout would  be
improved with an external ATU. The KAT3 occupies the same space inside  the
K3 as the KANT3. An external tuner would result in more, not less,  space
being taken outside the radio (albeit remotely mounted), plus you'd  have
another cable to route.

There may be something about having a  6m beam that works better with a
remote ATU and that's fine -- I just don't  understand how this is all driven
by limited desk space. The same amount of  desk space is taken up with the
ATU inside the K3 as  outside.

Craig
NZ0R 



Instead of small I should have said modest, i.e. 100w max from a  K3 (I hope) 
running barefoot feeding a 100ft doublet at 27 feet squashed  into a garden 
90ftx 30ft including the house. The proximity of neighbours  prevents more than 
100 watts. With this system I have already worked most  continents on SSB.
 
The rig has an output impedance of 50ohm into 30ft of 50ohm cable so the  
place to fit the ATU and balun is between the 50ohm cable and the open wire  
feeder of the doublet. The shack is in an upstairs front bedroom and  the 
feedpoint is at the back of the house.  And this is  nonnegotiable.
 
 Hence the need to have the ATU remote from the rig and  the antenna 
switching in the rig so that a second 50ohm cable can feed a  50ohm yagi direct 
not 
needing an ATU. OK yes this does introduce the need to  weather proof the ATU 
but there are several on the market already some suitable  even for small boats 
in far more extreme conditions. 
 
My wish was for an ATU designed to work specifically with the K3  taking 
advantage in the auto tune facilities with a one touch action.
 
Alan G8FMH
 
Still waiting my K3



   
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[Elecraft] K3 CE

[Stewart Baker]

Hope the K3's coming into the EU have now got CE certification.

Stewart G3RXQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

On Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:53 AM, Julian G4ILO wrote:


If a product was available that offered these features with the same
operating convenience you get with an internal ATU then I'd join those
who have already said they'd buy it.


Something that should not be overlooked is acoustic noise generated by an 
antenna matching unit (ATU) if it is to be used outside, relays clattering 
away at 2am could upset the neighbours! Far better is the 'purr' of a motor 
driven capacitor used in an 'old fashioned' link coupled matching unit, 
nevertheless I have mine in a soundproofed box.


My wish is that the designers of commercial tuners would allow tuning to be 
achieved with milliwatts of RF rather than watts, which is feasible. IMHO 
tuning with RF levels above a few milliwatts erp is anti-social in terms of 
QRM.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CE

[dj7mgq]

> Hope the K3's coming into the EU have now got CE certification.

I still haven't open mine yet (it arrived at work a couple of hours ago), so I
don't know for sure, but Eric wrote that they would not deliver any factory
built K3s until he was finished with the CE certification process. And that the
kit did not need a CE Marking and could not be certified anyway.

Mine is a kit.

vy 73 de toby

PS: You can find Elecraft's statements about CE Markings in the archives of the
reflector.



> Hope the K3's coming into the EU have now got CE certification.
> 
> Stewart G3RXQ
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[Elecraft] K3 and ATT

[Nick Lekic]

Are the attenuator and preamp settings memorized between ant1/ant2 
and/or rx antenna ports?
For example , ATT is on and preamp is off on ant1 port but ATT is off 
and preamp is on when rx antenna port is selected.


On my current radio (non Elecraft), whenever switching between rx and tx 
antenna (while listening), each time one has to manually turn on / off 
the attenuator and preamp. 

The K3 block diagram indicates ATT attenuation is 10db.  Is it possible 
to increase/decrease attenuation level while operating?


73,  Nick
ve3ey





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CE

[Julian G4ILO]

On Nov 14, 2007 12:05 PM, Stewart Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hope the K3's coming into the EU have now got CE certification.

It matters not a jot to me. As Toby has said, it doesn't affect kits
anyway. But if W&S can import any MFJ product (which definitely are
not CE certified - I think someone on this reflector confirmed it) and
then "certify" it themselves, I don't see why lack of certification
should be an obstacle to anyone in the UK receiving the K3 they
ordered, even a built one.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[Julian G4ILO]

On Nov 14, 2007 12:51 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Something that should not be overlooked is acoustic noise generated by an
> antenna matching unit (ATU) if it is to be used outside, relays clattering
> away at 2am could upset the neighbours!

Your neighbours must have thin walls, or very sensitive ears, and you
must live in a very quiet location. :)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[Nick Waterman]

Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
> Something that should not be overlooked is acoustic noise generated by
> an antenna matching unit (ATU) if it is to be used outside, relays
> clattering away at 2am could upset the neighbours!

... but to be fair, that's only when you press "TUNE" for the first time
on a new antenna, right? After that, most modern ATUs will remember the
settings for different bands, or different parts of bands, and when you
QSY significantly it's usually just one "click" to get back to the
remembered settings?

-- 
"Nosey" Nick Waterman, VE3/G7RZQ, K2 #5209.
use Std::Disclaimer;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Half Moon tonight. (At least its better than no Moon at all.)
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KDSP2 Circuit Diagrams

[Don Wilhelm]

Kevin,

Since you are searching for a possible break in the board traces or a 
thru-plated hole, you may do better with a scan of the board rather than 
the schematic.  There are scans of the KDSP2 board available at Tom 
Hammond's website www.n0ss.net


73,
Don W3FPR

KBG Luxford wrote:
I am trying to find a fault in my KDSP2.  Do circuit diagrams of the 
two boards exist with higher resolution of the logic signals?  Many of 
the signals in the diagrams in the manual seem to be done with a low 
resolution dot matrix printer and they are awfully hard to read.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and ATT

[Simon Brown (HB9DRV)]

Settings - not at the moment but Wayne is very responsive to suggestions.

ATT seems to be fixed.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - 
From: "Nick Lekic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Are the attenuator and preamp settings memorized between ant1/ant2 
and/or rx antenna ports?


The K3 block diagram indicates ATT attenuation is 10db.  Is it possible 
to increase/decrease attenuation level while operating?




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RE: [Elecraft] Good morse key?

[Darwin, Keith]

Hey Justin (& the group)

If you're interested in a straight key, I have a couple of
recommendations

http://skccgroup.com - The Straight Key Century Club.  A great bunch of
straight key (and bug) users.  Great place to be if you are doing slow
manual CW.

www.MorseX.com  - Morse Express.  Marshall sells a number of keys and is
a great guy to deal with.

You'll need to figure out which sending style you will use.  American
doesn't work with all keys, European (for me) works with every key I
try.  I send European style.

For practice, I put my K2 in test mode and send away.  Sidetone sounds
but the rig won't transmit.

Straight Keys:

- Navy Flameproof 26003A.  Get 'em used on e-bay for $30 to $70.  Get a
NOS model straight from Bunnel for about $95
http://jhbunnell.com/navykey.shtml.

- German Junker.  Get NOS models from Morse Express.  Cost about $100.
My absolute top pick for straight keys.  Ugly, functions wonderfully.  I
drilled & tapped the knob mounting hole and put a navy knob on mine.
Hog heaven.

- Kent.  Costs about $150 from AES or HRO (don't recall which).  You can
also order directly from Kent http://www.kent-engineers.com/ and get the
kit model.  Available with wooden or metal base.  Wood base is noisy,
like a wood block.

- J38.  Another WWII vintage key.  Lots of guys love 'em.  Cost on e-bay
seem to be in the $30 to $50 range.  I've never used one so I can't say
much.

- Begali.  I hear good things, but haven't used one.
http://www.i2rtf.com/ 

- Vibroplex.  I hear mostly mediocre things.  Probably a nice $100 key
selling for $175.

- Bencher.  Most Bencher straight key owners end up with something else.
Bencher seems to be the one that people don't stick with.  Either the
upgrade or they quit using the straight key.  Morse Express has a good
price on them.

- LTA.  Available from Morse Express.  I've owned an LTA Marconi key and
it was quite good.  Very pretty key, functions as well as the Flameproof
and nearly as well as the Kent or Junker.

- GHD.  Expensive but I hear good things.  Not to many using the,
probably due to price.

- Swedish pumper.  I hear great things.  On my short list of keys to
try.

- Hi Mound.  I hear great things about their Swedish model and little
about the others.

- Amplidan.  Wonderful,  I missed my chance to buy a NOS key for $350.
They're all gone now.  Good luck finding one.  Good luck finding one
that is affordable.  I'll stick with the Junker for $100.


Enough for now.  I probably have you and the whole list in information
overload.

73!

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -

-Original Message-
From: Justin Croonenberghs

I've been off this list for a good long while...quick question. Any
picks for a good starting morse key? I've played around with the paddles
and maybe want to start with a straight key...

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: pwr rating of RG6, etc

[Russ]

The myths have been busted 30 years ago.  I Recommend reading Walt Maxwell's
"Reflections" or his series of articles in QST in the early 70's.  Or you
can just go to his website w2du.com and read the SWT "Mythbuster" in action.

Russ, N3CO

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Howson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Perhaps we should send this to the mythbusters and see if thay can blow it
away!!

Anyway, I am now going to browse my RadCom back numbers for a revision
session.

73
Peter
GM8GAX
K2 #04027


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 and ATT

[wayne burdick]

On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:33 AM, Nick Lekic wrote:

Are the attenuator and preamp settings memorized between ant1/ant2 
and/or rx antenna ports?
For example , ATT is on and preamp is off on ant1 port but ATT is off 
and preamp is on when rx antenna port is selected.


Yes.




On my current radio (non Elecraft), whenever switching between rx and 
tx antenna (while listening), each time one has to manually turn on / 
off the attenuator and preamp.


We've avoided this problem.


The K3 block diagram indicates ATT attenuation is 10db.  Is it 
possible to increase/decrease attenuation level while operating?


No.

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

I agree, but as an example if I am on 40m at some ridiculous hour I would be 
working CW at the low end and SSB between 7140 and 7197 kHz, which I believe 
could result in a fair number of "clicks" during the night when using an all 
driven array with the type of ATU you have in mind. I guess that what I am 
saying is 'don't forget the sleeping neighbours' :-)


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

Nick Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

Something that should not be overlooked is acoustic noise generated by
an antenna matching unit (ATU) if it is to be used outside, relays
clattering away at 2am could upset the neighbours!


... but to be fair, that's only when you press "TUNE" for the first time
on a new antenna, right? After that, most modern ATUs will remember the
settings for different bands, or different parts of bands, and when you
QSY significantly it's usually just one "click" to get back to the
remembered settings?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Thick walls built in 1814, neighbours (3) about 50 metres away, sensitive 
ears - don't know, location very quiet RF and acoustic, BUT very noisy 
pheasant who get up at some unholy hour who don't bother the neighbours it 
seems. Relays would introduce an alien sound :-)


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Your neighbours must have thin walls, or very sensitive ears, and you
must live in a very quiet location. :)


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 and ATT

[wayne burdick]

Just to clarify, the PRE/ATTN settings are stored separately for RX ANT 
on/off. They're not stored differently for ANT 1/2, however.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Nov 14, 2007, at 6:41 AM, wayne burdick wrote:



On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:33 AM, Nick Lekic wrote:

Are the attenuator and preamp settings memorized between ant1/ant2 
and/or rx antenna ports?
For example , ATT is on and preamp is off on ant1 port but ATT is off 
and preamp is on when rx antenna port is selected.


Yes.



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RE: [Elecraft] Good morse key?

[David Wilburn]

What is the difference between English and American style?
-  

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 07:09 -0700, Darwin, Keith wrote:
> Hey Justin (& the group)
> 
> If you're interested in a straight key, I have a couple of
> recommendations
> 
> http://skccgroup.com - The Straight Key Century Club.  A great bunch of
> straight key (and bug) users.  Great place to be if you are doing slow
> manual CW.
> 
> www.MorseX.com  - Morse Express.  Marshall sells a number of keys and is
> a great guy to deal with.
> 
> You'll need to figure out which sending style you will use.  American
> doesn't work with all keys, European (for me) works with every key I
> try.  I send European style.
> 
> For practice, I put my K2 in test mode and send away.  Sidetone sounds
> but the rig won't transmit.
> 
> Straight Keys:
> 
> - Navy Flameproof 26003A.  Get 'em used on e-bay for $30 to $70.  Get a
> NOS model straight from Bunnel for about $95
> http://jhbunnell.com/navykey.shtml.
> 
> - German Junker.  Get NOS models from Morse Express.  Cost about $100.
> My absolute top pick for straight keys.  Ugly, functions wonderfully.  I
> drilled & tapped the knob mounting hole and put a navy knob on mine.
> Hog heaven.
> 
> - Kent.  Costs about $150 from AES or HRO (don't recall which).  You can
> also order directly from Kent http://www.kent-engineers.com/ and get the
> kit model.  Available with wooden or metal base.  Wood base is noisy,
> like a wood block.
> 
> - J38.  Another WWII vintage key.  Lots of guys love 'em.  Cost on e-bay
> seem to be in the $30 to $50 range.  I've never used one so I can't say
> much.
> 
> - Begali.  I hear good things, but haven't used one.
> http://www.i2rtf.com/ 
> 
> - Vibroplex.  I hear mostly mediocre things.  Probably a nice $100 key
> selling for $175.
> 
> - Bencher.  Most Bencher straight key owners end up with something else.
> Bencher seems to be the one that people don't stick with.  Either the
> upgrade or they quit using the straight key.  Morse Express has a good
> price on them.
> 
> - LTA.  Available from Morse Express.  I've owned an LTA Marconi key and
> it was quite good.  Very pretty key, functions as well as the Flameproof
> and nearly as well as the Kent or Junker.
> 
> - GHD.  Expensive but I hear good things.  Not to many using the,
> probably due to price.
> 
> - Swedish pumper.  I hear great things.  On my short list of keys to
> try.
> 
> - Hi Mound.  I hear great things about their Swedish model and little
> about the others.
> 
> - Amplidan.  Wonderful,  I missed my chance to buy a NOS key for $350.
> They're all gone now.  Good luck finding one.  Good luck finding one
> that is affordable.  I'll stick with the Junker for $100.
> 
> 
> Enough for now.  I probably have you and the whole list in information
> overload.
> 
> 73!
> 
> - Keith N1AS -
> - K2 5411.ssb.100 -
> - K3 Wave 3 -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Justin Croonenberghs
> 
> I've been off this list for a good long while...quick question. Any
> picks for a good starting morse key? I've played around with the paddles
> and maybe want to start with a straight key...
> 
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RE: [Elecraft] Good morse key?

[Darwin, Keith]

American style is done with the forearm on the desk and sending is done
by rocking the hand up & down, pivoting at the wrist.  Some (myself
included) will use a modified American style where the elbow is on the
desk but the forearm is held above the desk a bit and sending is done by
flexing the hand / wrist and moving the forearm up and down.  With
American sending, you usually want a key with a knob close to the desk
and the key is set back from the front edge to make room for your arm.

European sending starts with the key at the front edge of the desk.
Your upper arm hangs at your side, elbow close to your rig cage.  The
forearm is parallel to the floor and is unsupported.  Sending is done by
moving various parts of your whole arm in a rocking / bouncing fashion.
Keys for this style often have large mushroom knobs which are high off
the desk.

>From a key perspective, European senders can use any key since knob
height doesn't really matter much.  American senders are pretty
dependant on having a knob close to the desk and struggle with mushroom
knobs.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CE

[d.cutter]

It is acceptable for an importer to certify products as long as he does so 
within the legal requirments.  He can then quite legally fix the appropriate CE 
label and provide a Certificate of Compliance.   I could not comment as to 
whether W & S follow the requirments.  Anyone has the right to view the 
Certificate of Compliance for any product within the EC.  The importer then 
becomes the "responsible vendor."

David
G3UNA


> 
> From: "Julian G4ILO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/11/14 Wed PM 01:32:02 GMT
> To: elecraft 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CE
> 
> On Nov 14, 2007 12:05 PM, Stewart Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hope the K3's coming into the EU have now got CE certification.
> 
> It matters not a jot to me. As Toby has said, it doesn't affect kits
> anyway. But if W&S can import any MFJ product (which definitely are
> not CE certified - I think someone on this reflector confirmed it) and
> then "certify" it themselves, I don't see why lack of certification
> should be an obstacle to anyone in the UK receiving the K3 they
> ordered, even a built one.
> 
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[Elecraft] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

[Norm Klieman]

Hi - Does any one know if a Cushcraft R5 vertical can
be grounded mounted and how high off the ground would
it need to be. I've only used mine in the past mounted
on the roof but at the current QTH I won't be able to
get it up there until the spring. 73's Norm K9NK
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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CE

[dj7mgq]

Hallo,

> The importer then becomes the "responsible vendor."

Which might be interesting if one ever decided to sell her/his K3, which was
imported as a Kit and built in Europe?

I wonder...

vy 73 de toby
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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[d.cutter]

My only problem with motorised units is the screwdriver type antennas.  They 
make a heck of a racket and this is the only reason I don't have that type on 
my property.  I had one on my car for a short while and it's quite 
disconcerting hearing it winding up and down.  

David
G3UNA

> 
> From: "Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/11/14 Wed PM 12:51:09 GMT
> To: "Elecraft Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list
> 
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:53 AM, Julian G4ILO wrote:
> 
> > If a product was available that offered these features with the same
> > operating convenience you get with an internal ATU then I'd join those
> > who have already said they'd buy it.
> 
> Something that should not be overlooked is acoustic noise generated by an 
> antenna matching unit (ATU) if it is to be used outside, relays clattering 
> away at 2am could upset the neighbours! Far better is the 'purr' of a motor 
> driven capacitor used in an 'old fashioned' link coupled matching unit, 
> nevertheless I have mine in a soundproofed box.
> 
> My wish is that the designers of commercial tuners would allow tuning to be 
> achieved with milliwatts of RF rather than watts, which is feasible. IMHO 
> tuning with RF levels above a few milliwatts erp is anti-social in terms of 
> QRM.
> 
> 73,
> Geoff
> GM4ESD 
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[Elecraft] K2 Excessive Internal Noise?

[Howard W. Ashcraft]

After solving an Auxbus issue with the KPA100, I noticed the following.
With no antenna, or a good dummy load, if the RF level is full counter
clockwise and the AF full clockwise you get a perfectly acceptable level
of audio hiss.  However, as you advance the RF level to 12 O'clock a
"bacon frying" noise starts to be perceptible.  At full RF, full AF, it
is quite distinct.  I don't seem to recall the "bacon frying" noise
before and it is low enough that band noise will blank it.  Also, I
rarely have the AF past 12 O'clock in operation, so it isn't apparent,
but I also think that it shouldn't be there.  Years ago I used to work
on audio equipment and this sounds like a noisy resistor, but because it
is coming out of the RF circuitry, it could be a few other things, too.
First question.  Would someone do a similar check on their K2 to see if
this is inherent (i.e., am I chasing rainbows).  Thanks in advance.
Second, I'm starting to go through the schematics looking for suspects
and will do a little testing when I get back home (on a business trip
right now).  If anyone has already experienced and addressed this, I
would appreciate your information to jump start my tracing.

Thanks,

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KDSP2 Circuit Diagrams

[Lyle Johnson]

I am trying to find a fault in my KDSP2.  Do circuit diagrams of the two 
boards exist with higher resolution of the logic signals? 


Please go the Elecraft website, click on products, click on K2, click on 
KDSP2, scroll to the bottom of the page and you will find links to high 
resolution schematics of the DSPx module and the KDSP2.


73,

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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CE

[Julian G4ILO]

On Nov 14, 2007 3:42 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is acceptable for an importer to certify products as long as he does so 
> within the legal requirments.  He can then quite legally fix the appropriate 
> CE label and provide a Certificate of Compliance.   I could not comment as to 
> whether W & S follow the requirments.  Anyone has the right to view the 
> Certificate of Compliance for any product within the EC.  The importer then 
> becomes the "responsible vendor."

But if I'm importing it to use, not to sell, does this matter? The
body responsible for CE marking here is Trading Standards. They are
unlikely to even find out about it since I am not a trader. Toby makes
a valid point as concerns resale, but being pragmatic, we don't live
in a bureaucratic police state where officials go through the small
ads checking on what people are selling, so whether it's legal or not,
it's certainly going to be "under the radar".

I think the only issue that may concern Elecraft is if it is likely
that imports are going to be stopped at customs and returned at their
expense. If it's OK for goods to be certified at this end then it
obviously isn't illegal to import uncertified goods therefore customs
isn't going to be bothered.
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Re: [Elecraft] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

[Bob Nielsen]

On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Norm Klieman wrote:


Hi - Does any one know if a Cushcraft R5 vertical can
be grounded mounted and how high off the ground would
it need to be. I've only used mine in the past mounted
on the roof but at the current QTH I won't be able to
get it up there until the spring. 73's Norm K9NK


I haven't run any analysis, but think that the counterpoise rods  
should be isolated above the ground a bit.  K7LXC and N0AX did  
comparison testing of several verticals and presented the results at  
the Dayton Hamvention in 2000 (copies of the report are available  
from .


One of the models they tested was the R8, which is built in a similar  
manner to the R5.  I recall they had the base mounted about 7 feet  
above a ground screen.  The results were (in my opinion) better  
overall than for the other types they tested.  I have a similar Hy- 
Gain AV640 mounted on a pipe at 13 feet and am quite satisfied with  
the performance of that installation.


73, Bob N7XY

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Re: [Elecraft] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

[Doug Person]

The R5 can be ground-mounted.  It will exhibit very acceptable SWR 
across all of its 5 bands when mounted close to the ground.  However, my 
experience has been that elevation increases its effectiveness 
proportionate to its height.  Going from ground height to 25 feet 
improved signals by about an S unit.


Doug -- K0DXV

Norm Klieman wrote:

Hi - Does any one know if a Cushcraft R5 vertical can
be grounded mounted and how high off the ground would
it need to be. I've only used mine in the past mounted
on the roof but at the current QTH I won't be able to
get it up there until the spring. 73's Norm K9NK
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[Elecraft] KRC2 and the K3

[Brendan Minish]

I have just hooked my KRC2 up to My K3 

it's working as a band decoder but it maps 6m and 10m to the same
output. is there any way to remap this ?

Also what features are are currently supported and how will these
evolve? with the k2 it was very useful to be able to use the buttons to
do stuff. Will we be able to map the buttons in the same way with the
K3 

My KRC does not work with the config program and the firmware upgrade
only worked once I turned of ACK's. it's a Version 1 MCU is this a known
issue with early units ? 
 


73
Brendan EI6IZ 
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Re: [Elecraft] Good morse key?

[Fred Jensen]

Darwin, Keith wrote:

American style is done with the forearm on the desk and sending is done
by rocking the hand up & down, pivoting at the wrist.  


European sending starts with the key at the front edge of the desk.
Your upper arm hangs at your side, elbow close to your rig cage.  


I believe it was G.B Shaw who once said: "England and America are two 
countries separated by a common language."  So, we can now add to that, 
"and by morse sending technique?"


73,

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[Elecraft] KCommunicate - new software for K2 and K3

[Julian G4ILO]

If you are interested in a CW and data mode program for Windows that
will take advantage of the built in encoding and decoding capabilities
of the K3, there is some information and a screenshot of my new
program KCommunicate at
http://www.zerobeat.net/smf/index.php/topic,87.0.html . In the absence
of my own K3 I have added PSK31 and CW decode support using third
party software so I can use it with my K2. This program is the
diametrically opposite approach to HRD in that all the radio control
is done using the knobs and buttons on the radio. The computer is used
for logging and for sending and receiving data.

The program is not generally available yet although it is working well
enough to make some QSOs. If you are interested to know when it is
available to try out, subscribe to the forum and keep an eye on that
topic. This will probably not happen until after Wayne has added
support in the K3 firmware for getting the decoded text in a
packetised format and for detecting which data mode is in use.

Although my main interest is in making something I can use (on
Windows) and I don't intend making this my life's work as HRD seems to
have become for Simon, the program is being developed using Lazarus, a
cross platform development tool very similar to Delphi. Source code
will eventually be made available under the GPL for Linux or Mac
developers to port it to those platforms, or indeed for Windows
developers to add features or develop whole new versions, if there is
interest in doing so.

Please use the forum if you have any questions or comments about the program.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 wish list

[AJSOENKE]

And then there's the frogs! The ant tuner will shut them all up for a few 
minutes!  
 
Of course, there is always the possibility of using a feedline that is 
matched to the antenna and good grounds etc. I've been runnning a vertical made 
by 
Mosely back in the late 1950's, with 80 feet of RG-8. Unfortunately it is only 
a 4 band 40 - 10 no WARC, BUT it'll tune all 4 bands to under 1.5:1 and no 
need for tuners. The dipole is another story.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

[Ron Foster]

For performance, absolutely. I think the question was how low can you go 
without it starting to detune the antenna.

Matt Kastigar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  "Mount the antenna as high and in the 
clear as possible." - R5 manual: 
http://www.cushcraft.com/Installation-Manuals.asp 

-Matt W0XEU 


>>> "Ron Foster" 11/14/2007 12:17 PM >>>
I used to have one. Going from memory I believe Cushcraft recommended something 
like six to eight feet above the ground. 

Ron - W2RIP

Bob Nielsen wrote:

On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Norm Klieman wrote:

> Hi - Does any one know if a Cushcraft R5 vertical can
> be grounded mounted and how high off the ground would
> it need to be. I've only used mine in the past mounted
> on the roof but at the current QTH I won't be able to
> get it up there until the spring. 73's Norm K9NK

I haven't run any analysis, but think that the counterpoise rods 
should be isolated above the ground a bit. K7LXC and N0AX did 
comparison testing of several verticals and presented the results at 
the Dayton Hamvention in 2000 (copies of the report are available 
from .

One of the models they tested was the R8, which is built in a similar 
manner to the R5. I recall they had the base mounted about 7 feet 
above a ground screen. The results were (in my opinion) better 
overall than for the other types they tested. I have a similar Hy- 
Gain AV640 mounted on a pipe at 13 feet and am quite satisfied with 
the performance of that installation.

73, Bob N7XY

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[Elecraft] K3 Covers

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

I know someone in the US makes custom covers for radios, I even mailed about
a K3 one

I thought the site was http://radiocovers.com/

But looking at the site, I'm not so sure - anyone able to help?

-- 
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RE: [Elecraft] K2 Excessive Internal Noise?

[Dan Barker]

On mine, (K2 #2456, Audio Pot Mod done), the radio is silent with AF Max and
RF Min. Hiss occurs (very steady, not like bacon) beginning about 2:00
O'clock on the RF and is very low level even fully CW.

It's very hard to know what amplitude you are experiencing. My o'scope says
30 mv P-P across an 8 ohm speaker in the Ext Spk. Jack with both knobs fully
CW.

hth

Dan / WG4S


At full RF, full AF, it is quite distinct.  I don't seem to recall the
"bacon frying" noise before and it is low enough that band noise will blank
it.  Also, I rarely have the AF past 12 O'clock in operation, so it isn't
apparent, but I also think that it shouldn't be there.


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Re: [Elecraft] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

[Ron Foster]

I used to have one. Going from memory I believe Cushcraft recommended something 
like six to eight feet above the ground. 
   
  Ron - W2RIP

Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Norm Klieman wrote:

> Hi - Does any one know if a Cushcraft R5 vertical can
> be grounded mounted and how high off the ground would
> it need to be. I've only used mine in the past mounted
> on the roof but at the current QTH I won't be able to
> get it up there until the spring. 73's Norm K9NK

I haven't run any analysis, but think that the counterpoise rods 
should be isolated above the ground a bit. K7LXC and N0AX did 
comparison testing of several verticals and presented the results at 
the Dayton Hamvention in 2000 (copies of the report are available 
from .

One of the models they tested was the R8, which is built in a similar 
manner to the R5. I recall they had the base mounted about 7 feet 
above a ground screen. The results were (in my opinion) better 
overall than for the other types they tested. I have a similar Hy- 
Gain AV640 mounted on a pipe at 13 feet and am quite satisfied with 
the performance of that installation.

73, Bob N7XY

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Re: [Elecraft] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

[Matt Kastigar]

"Mount the antenna as high and in the clear as possible." - R5 manual:  
http://www.cushcraft.com/Installation-Manuals.asp 

-Matt  W0XEU 


>>> "Ron Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/14/2007 12:17 PM >>>
I used to have one. Going from memory I believe Cushcraft recommended something 
like six to eight feet above the ground. 
   
  Ron - W2RIP

Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Norm Klieman wrote:

> Hi - Does any one know if a Cushcraft R5 vertical can
> be grounded mounted and how high off the ground would
> it need to be. I've only used mine in the past mounted
> on the roof but at the current QTH I won't be able to
> get it up there until the spring. 73's Norm K9NK

I haven't run any analysis, but think that the counterpoise rods 
should be isolated above the ground a bit. K7LXC and N0AX did 
comparison testing of several verticals and presented the results at 
the Dayton Hamvention in 2000 (copies of the report are available 
from .

One of the models they tested was the R8, which is built in a similar 
manner to the R5. I recall they had the base mounted about 7 feet 
above a ground screen. The results were (in my opinion) better 
overall than for the other types they tested. I have a similar Hy- 
Gain AV640 mounted on a pipe at 13 feet and am quite satisfied with 
the performance of that installation.

73, Bob N7XY

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[Elecraft] K3 missive hits home

[H. Cary III]

Dave-
  As a fellow K3 recipient to be, ordered 5/2, your missive of despair 
struck gold with this ham!
  I am A+ but am in no shape to offer a transfusion!
  73,
  Cary, K4TM


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[Elecraft] K3 selectivity display?

[Barry N1EU]

Is there any numeric indication of the K3 rx bandwidth on the display?
 I see the trapezoidal analog display of relative bandwidth, but if
the dsp bandwidth is set to 300hz, does the K3 indicate such directly
to the operator?

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 selectivity display?

[Jeff Stai]

hi Barry - Look at the owners manual for the Display page (in my copy here rev 
B1 it is on page 12).

On the lower right of the display are 7 digits, which are used to display a multitude of things, 
normally the VFO B setting - but also the CW decode and parameter changes.


Just sitting there the K3 does not display the BW, but if you turn the WIDTH knob this lower right 
display will show you the setting as it changes. This is also the case for the POWER setting and 
many other settings. When you stop turning the knob the display reverts back to VFO B (or CW or DATA 
decode if you have that enabled.)


73 - jeff wk6i

Barry N1EU wrote:

Is there any numeric indication of the K3 rx bandwidth on the display?
 I see the trapezoidal analog display of relative bandwidth, but if
the dsp bandwidth is set to 300hz, does the K3 indicate such directly
to the operator?



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[Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[wayne burdick]

Yes, the width, shift, locut or hicut value is displayed numerically as 
you rotate the controls.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:


Is there any numeric indication of the K3 rx bandwidth on the display?
 I see the trapezoidal analog display of relative bandwidth, but if
the dsp bandwidth is set to 300hz, does the K3 indicate such directly
to the operator?

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Covers

[Tony Morgan]

Try looking up K7NUU on QRZ and send him an email.
He's the dustcover guy.

73,
Tony W7GO

David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

I know someone in the US makes custom covers for radios, I even mailed about
a K3 one

I thought the site was http://radiocovers.com/

But looking at the site, I'm not so sure - anyone able to help?

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 selectivity display?

[Lyle Johnson]

Is there any numeric indication of the K3 rx bandwidth on the display?


When you change the bandwidth, the current width is briefly displayed in 
the VFO B display.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 selectivity display?

[Barry N1EU]

Thanks for all the clarification.  It's good that bandwidth is
displayed at adjustment time, but it would be great if there were some
way (eventually?) to display it full time.  Seems like in cw/ssb
contesting and dx'ing, it's a parameter I want to be intimately aware
of.  I realize the work-around will be to adjust it in order to read
it.

73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Covers

[hank k8dd]

David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> I know someone in the US makes custom covers for radios, I even mailed about
> a K3 one
>
> I thought the site was http://radiocovers.com/
>
> But looking at the site, I'm not so sure - anyone able to help?
>
>   
/reality off
Cover? Cover? What?You're going to cover it? 
How can you operate it when it's covered?

I figure on getting my run 2 radio maybe by Christmas
if I'm lucky and have it built the same day and then use it for
at least several days!  We aren't going to cover
that radio . It probably won't get turned off
long enough!

/reality kinda back on



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Re: [Elecraft] KCommunicate - new software for K2 and K3

[Julian G4ILO]

On Nov 14, 2007 6:28 PM, Martin Rath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I Julian,
>
> I can't seem to find the screenshot on the forum ! Where did you hide it ?
> :)

Sorry guys! It wasn't a deliberate ploy to get people to sign up to
the forum (honest!) but it seems that you have to join and be logged
in to the forum to access attachments to forum messages. I didn't know
that, but I just tested using the other web browser. I was wondering
why tons of people read the message and only two clicked on the
thumbnail...

> It's nice to read that you continue writting software for the K3 as I enjoy
> using K2net when I neeed it and I had read that you didn't want to write a
> K3Net on your website.

I don't have a lot of time so I only write what I want to write. And I
have no need to operate the K3 (or K2 for that matter) over a network.
Plus the older programs were written in Delphi which I no longer have.
By using Lazarus I have the option to make Linux versions if I want to
move to that - always assuming I can't persuade a current Linux user
to do it beforehand. :)

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RE: [Elecraft] Good morse key?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I was taught "American style" straight-key sending to lay my arm on the desk
with and keep my wrist relaxed but straight. The whole forearm moves to
operate the key with the bending taking place at the elbow.

In the merchant marine and Army radio schools, moving the wrist was
considered the quickest way to get a "glass arm" that would cripple the
individual and prevent further sending (I suspect the medics would call the
problem it caused "carpal tunnel syndrome" today).

Similarly, a bug (or keyer paddle, I suppose) was operated by rolling the
forearm back and forth, not by pressing with the fingers. The fingers
remained relaxed but fixed in position, the space between them whatever is
comfortable to accommodate the finger pads as the hand and arm rolled back
and forth to operate the dit or dah levers.   

Using those techniques, a good operator can send strings of messages for an
hour or more at a time without taking a break or being fatigued. I'd never
try that moving my wrist or fingers!

Ham setups today tend to be different. In commercial CW it was suicide to
have the key contacts spaced closely or the spring tension light. Often we
were sending on a moving, vibrating ship, in a bouncing airplane or some
other unstable surface. The solution was to open up the gap on the key and
tighten the spring. Most keys were left that way. Modern hams seem to like
very close spaced contacts that can be manipulated by a soft touch of the
finger tips. That seems to work very well for them, but it's definitely a
relatively *new* technique. 

The good side of the "old" system was that we could send consistently good
CW even if the key was stiff with a heavy spring or if it had had worn
pivots instead of precision bearings, or even if it lacked a single shiny
chrome or polished brass part . 

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
Darwin, Keith wrote:
> American style is done with the forearm on the desk and sending is 
> done by rocking the hand up & down, pivoting at the wrist.
> 
> European sending starts with the key at the front edge of the desk. 
> Your upper arm hangs at your side, elbow close to your rig cage.

I believe it was G.B Shaw who once said: "England and America are two 
countries separated by a common language."  So, we can now add to that, 
"and by morse sending technique?"

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 selectivity display?

[Jeff Stai]

hi Barry - just based on my limited contest operating, the trapezoid seems sufficient to remind me 
of where I am with BW and shift. Also, the XFIL display helps because you know what you have 
installed in each slot - for example if XFIL4 is 400Hz, I know when XFIL4 is lit that I am less than 
or equal to 400, and the trapezoid gives relative BW size from there.


Hope I am making sense, it would be much easier to just show you! - jeff wk6i

Barry N1EU wrote:

Thanks for all the clarification.  It's good that bandwidth is
displayed at adjustment time, but it would be great if there were some
way (eventually?) to display it full time.  Seems like in cw/ssb
contesting and dx'ing, it's a parameter I want to be intimately aware
of.  I realize the work-around will be to adjust it in order to read
it.



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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[Simon Brown (HB9DRV)]

I keep wondering what filter width I have selected - maybe this could be a 
DISP / VFOB option later?


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - 
From: "wayne burdick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Yes, the width, shift, locut or hicut value is displayed numerically as 
you rotate the controls.


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[Elecraft] [Fwd: Re: dust covers for rigs]

[Ken N9VV]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: you still in business?
Date:   Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:03:09 -0800
From:   Stan LaPointe K7NUU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[formerly http://www.radiocovers.com/ ]
[link no longer in use and not valid]

*We are still in business until we sell it or run out of materials.*

*Stan K7NUU*
*-kn-*

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[Elecraft] Future firmware bonus - K3

[Jim Denneny]

I don't know if this is possible, but a firmware  upgrade to enable K3 full
duplex operation with XV-144 and XV-432 transverters would enable K3 owners
to operate various satellites in vhf/uhf and uhf/vhf modes.  Eric - food for
thought.

 

Jim

K7EG

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Future firmware bonus - K3

[Mark Bayern]

This type of operation was discussed when the K3 was originally
announced. It seems to take more than just firmware -- questions were
raised about shielding ...

I see it is in the FAQ under Transverter Topics along with the
original question, 'can the TX freq be changed while  transmitting
(Doppler)?'

Mark


On Nov 14, 2007 2:47 PM, Jim Denneny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know if this is possible, but a firmware  upgrade to enable K3 full
> duplex operation with XV-144 and XV-432 transverters would enable K3 owners
> to operate various satellites in vhf/uhf and uhf/vhf modes.  Eric - food for
> thought.
>
>
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[Elecraft] K3 selectivity display?

[Craig D. Smith]

<> Also, the XFIL display helps because you know what you have
<> installed in each slot - for example if XFIL4 is 400Hz, I know when XFIL4
is lit that
<> I am less than or equal to 400,

I'm still a couple months away from my K3, but this kind of jumped out at me
when I read the K3 manual.  Why should I need to remember what roofing
filter I installed in each slot?  Besides, the filters might be swapped from
time to time.  My personal preference would be to see the nominal roofing
filter bandwidth displayed rather than the FL number.  To me this would be
much more convenient.  Is it just me, or am a missing something?   Would be
interesting to hear from Eric/Wayne on this design decision as well as the
preference of other users.

 73
  ... Craig  AC0DS   


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[wayne burdick]

Craig,

There are five discrete icons on the LCD (FL1-FL5) to remind you which 
filter is selected at any given time. Generally you don't need to 
remember what each one is, because they're selected automatically as 
you rotate the WIDTH control. The numeric value of the width (etc.) is 
also shown as the control is rotated.


If you'd like to get a quick reminder of what the actual crystal filter 
bandwidth is, you could assign a tap or hold  programmable switch 
function to the crystal filter bandwidth menu entry (FLx BW).


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Nov 14, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Craig D. Smith wrote:


<> Also, the XFIL display helps because you know what you have
<> installed in each slot - for example if XFIL4 is 400Hz, I know when 
XFIL4

is lit that
<> I am less than or equal to 400,

I'm still a couple months away from my K3, but this kind of jumped out 
at me

when I read the K3 manual.  Why should I need to remember what roofing
filter I installed in each slot?  Besides, the filters might be 
swapped from
time to time.  My personal preference would be to see the nominal 
roofing
filter bandwidth displayed rather than the FL number.  To me this 
would be
much more convenient.  Is it just me, or am a missing something?   
Would be
interesting to hear from Eric/Wayne on this design decision as well as 
the

preference of other users.

 73
  ... Craig  AC0DS


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[wayne burdick]

Craig D. Smith wrote:


<> When you tap XFIL to rotate through the filters the discrete FLn
indicator lights up for that filter and also the VFO B display says 
"FL3 0.40",

"FL4 0.25", etc. So you don't really have to remember.

Thanks, all, for the quick and meaningful response.  The above 
behavior will
help a lot.  Guess I won't need that "Sticky note" pasted to the front 
of my

K3 afterall  ;>)



Craig,

I really liked your idea of being able to quickly see the actual XFIL 
bandwidth in some convenient way. So I just changed the way the menu's 
crystal filter configuration entries work: now, they always pertain to 
the actual filter in use by the receiver. Before, the menu kept track 
of the filter number independently as you manipulated the parameters.


This change allows the operator to immediately hear the effect of any 
filter changes, without having to make sure that the receiver and menu 
are set up for the same filter.


If you assign a programmable switch function to the filter bandwidth 
menu entry, it'll show you the bandwidth for the present filter -- not 
the filter the menu was working with, which could have been different. 
I should have done it this way in the first place!


Thanks for the implied suggestion  :)  I'll have another firmware 
release in a couple of days that includes a number of other updates as 
well.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] [Fwd: Re: dust covers for rigs]

[Greg - AB7R]

Get them while you can!  Stan does great work and will be missed once he closes 
up shop.  He's already done some K3 
covers and has the measurements for them already.

(signed)
Long time happy customer!


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73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Wed Nov 14 15:21 , Ken N9VV  sent:

> Original Message 
>Subject:   Re: you still in business?
>Date:  Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:03:09 -0800
>From:  Stan LaPointe K7NUU [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>[formerly http://www.radiocovers.com/ ]
>[link no longer in use and not valid]
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>*We are still in business until we sell it or run out of materials.*
>
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[Craig Rairdin]

On Nov 14, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Craig D. Smith wrote:

> Why should I need to remember what roofing
> filter I installed in each slot?  Besides, the filters might be 
> swapped from
> time to time.  My personal preference would be to see the nominal 
> roofing
> filter bandwidth displayed rather than the FL number.  

When you tap XFIL to rotate through the filters the discrete FLn indicator
lights up for that filter and also the VFO B display says "FL3 0.40", "FL4
0.25", etc. So you don't really have to remember. 

Also my tendency is to use the WIDTH control to just dial it down and not
really think about what the absolute width is. If I can make out the signal
better, I'm happy. But either way (XFIL or WIDTH) the width is displayed.
You don't have to remember what's in what slot.

Also, you only have to take off half the bottom cover to change or move a
filter. It's the easy half IMHO.

FYI: I've been playing with both the 200 Hz 5-pole and 250 Hz 8-pole filters
and so far in my purely subjective tests I can't tell the difference between
them. What I think this means is that if you're not a numbers purist you can
get by with the cheaper 5-pole filter and probably never know the
difference. If performance means everything to you then by all means spend
more for the 250 Hz 8-pole filter and you'll be happy, too.

Craig
NZ0R
K3 #25

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 selectivity display?

[Jeff Stai]

hi Craig - three things:

1. The manual advises you to order the filters from widest in XFIL 1 and go narrower from there. I 
think this is good advise, to keep it easy to remember where they are. You can order them any way 
you want, this is just a recommendation.


2. I don't think you will move filters very often. It is a lot of screws to remove since both the 
bottom and top covers have to come off. I think 95% of the time you are just adding a new one into 
an empty slot.


3. I understood that additional filters are planned, including variable filters, which would further 
complicate the display if not using the XFIL notation.


hope this helps! - jeff wk6i

Craig D. Smith wrote:

<> Also, the XFIL display helps because you know what you have
<> installed in each slot - for example if XFIL4 is 400Hz, I know when XFIL4
is lit that
<> I am less than or equal to 400,

I'm still a couple months away from my K3, but this kind of jumped out at me
when I read the K3 manual.  Why should I need to remember what roofing
filter I installed in each slot?  Besides, the filters might be swapped from
time to time.  My personal preference would be to see the nominal roofing
filter bandwidth displayed rather than the FL number.  To me this would be
much more convenient.  Is it just me, or am a missing something?   Would be
interesting to hear from Eric/Wayne on this design decision as well as the
preference of other users.

 73
  ... Craig  AC0DS   



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RE: [Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[Craig Rairdin]

> Also, you only have to take off half the bottom cover to change or move a
> filter. It's the easy half IMHO.

... And of course the top cover. I was just pointing out you don't have to
take off the entire bottom cover.

Craig
NZ0R
K3 #25

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[Craig D. Smith]

<> When you tap XFIL to rotate through the filters the discrete FLn
indicator
<> lights up for that filter and also the VFO B display says "FL3 0.40",
"FL4
<> 0.25", etc. So you don't really have to remember.

Thanks, all, for the quick and meaningful response.  The above behavior will
help a lot.  Guess I won't need that "Sticky note" pasted to the front of my
K3 afterall  ;>)

Looking forward to Jan with more than the usual anticipation  ;>)

 73
   Craig  AC0DS


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[Elecraft] K-3 & XV Transverters

[Phillip Buckholdt]

Tnx Tim And Jeff. About what I had figured but, I had pin 4 included. Maybe 
Elecraft will include this in the Owners manual later (after every one 
catches their breath).


  73 Phil 



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[Elecraft] Re: K-3 & XV Transverters

[wayne burdick]

We're working on it!

73
Wayne
N6KR

On Nov 14, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Phillip Buckholdt wrote:

Tnx Tim And Jeff. About what I had figured but, I had pin 4 included. 
Maybe Elecraft will include this in the Owners manual later (after 
every one catches their breath).


  73 Phil


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Covers

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Thanks to all eho replied, have sent a mail to Stan.


On 14/11/07 19:38, "Tony Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> Try looking up K7NUU on QRZ and send him an email.
> He's the dustcover guy.
> 
> 73,
> Tony W7GO
> 
> David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>> I know someone in the US makes custom covers for radios, I even mailed about
>> a K3 one
>> 
>> I thought the site was http://radiocovers.com/
>> 
>> But looking at the site, I'm not so sure - anyone able to help?
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[Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[Edward Dickinson]

Change a setting to find out what a setting was...  Hmmm...  I'll have to
give that some thought.


Regards,
Dick - KA5KKT/4

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[vk2nu]

I have the sticky note, I just the need the K3 to stick to it!!

Patiently waiting !!

David, VK2NU

Thanks, all, for the quick and meaningful response.  The above behavior will
help a lot.  Guess I won't need that "Sticky note" pasted to the front of my
K3 afterall<

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[AJSOENKE]

In a message dated 11/14/2007 3:25:19 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Craig D. Smith  wrote:

> <> When you tap XFIL to rotate through the filters the  discrete FLn
> indicator lights up for that filter and also the VFO B  display says 
> "FL3 0.40",
> "FL4 0.25", etc. So you don't really  have to remember.
>
> Thanks, all, for the quick and meaningful  response.  The above 
> behavior will
> help a lot.  Guess  I won't need that "Sticky note" pasted to the front 
> of my
> K3  afterall  ;>)


Craig,

I really liked your idea of being  able to quickly see the actual XFIL 
bandwidth in some convenient way. So I  just changed the way the menu's 
crystal filter configuration entries work:  now, they always pertain to 
the actual filter in use by the receiver.  Before, the menu kept track 
of the filter number independently as you  manipulated the parameters.

This change allows the operator to  immediately hear the effect of any 
filter changes, without having to make  sure that the receiver and menu 
are set up for the same filter.

If  you assign a programmable switch function to the filter bandwidth 
menu  entry, it'll show you the bandwidth for the present filter -- not 
the filter  the menu was working with, which could have been different. 
I should have  done it this way in the first place!

Thanks for the implied  suggestion  :)  I'll have another firmware 
release in a couple of  days that includes a number of other updates as  
well.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 selectivity display?

[AJSOENKE]

In a message dated 11/14/2007 3:25:19 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Craig D. Smith  wrote:

> <> When you tap XFIL to rotate through the filters the  discrete FLn
> indicator lights up for that filter and also the VFO B  display says 
> "FL3 0.40",
> "FL4 0.25", etc. So you don't really  have to remember.
>
> Thanks, all, for the quick and meaningful  response.  The above 
> behavior will
> help a lot.  Guess  I won't need that "Sticky note" pasted to the front 
> of my
> K3  afterall  ;>)


Craig,

I really liked your idea of being  able to quickly see the actual XFIL 
bandwidth in some convenient way. So I  just changed the way the menu's 
crystal filter configuration entries work:  now, they always pertain to 
the actual filter in use by the receiver.  Before, the menu kept track 
of the filter number independently as you  manipulated the parameters.

This change allows the operator to  immediately hear the effect of any 
filter changes, without having to make  sure that the receiver and menu 
are set up for the same filter.

If  you assign a programmable switch function to the filter bandwidth 
menu  entry, it'll show you the bandwidth for the present filter -- not 
the filter  the menu was working with, which could have been different. 
I should have  done it this way in the first place!

Thanks for the implied  suggestion  :)  I'll have another firmware 
release in a couple of  days that includes a number of other updates as  
well.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Covers

[Greg - N4CC]

http://www.rigcoveralls.net/

At 01:23 PM 11/14/2007, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

I know someone in the US makes custom covers for radios, I even mailed about
a K3 one

I thought the site was http://radiocovers.com/

But looking at the site, I'm not so sure - anyone able to help?

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] ATU

[Kristina Wright]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about choosing an ATU.  
I'll be using it solely for my K2 so with your advise I've decided to  
go with the KAT2.

Thanks again!

73,
Kristina  KE7LUC

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[Elecraft] RE: [QRP-L] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

[Mark Saunders, KJ7BS]

You bet an R5 can be ground mounted.  However, Cushcraft has recommended it
be 4 to 6 feet above ground.  You do, however, need to consider the RF
exposure limits as outlined by the FCC.  

Remember, you have to consider whether the site is controlled (not
accessible by the average person) or uncontrolled (accessible by the average
person).  Accessible means can they get near the radiating portion of the
antenna.

I have a Cushcraft R-7000 vertical mounted 8 feet above ground in an area of
my lot that is fenced and locked (controlled area).

Mark, KJ7BS
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Norm Klieman
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft
Subject: [QRP-L] Can a R5 vertical be ground mounted??

Hi - Does any one know if a Cushcraft R5 vertical can
be grounded mounted and how high off the ground would
it need to be. I've only used mine in the past mounted
on the roof but at the current QTH I won't be able to
get it up there until the spring. 73's Norm K9NK
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[Elecraft] Need some help on a K1 problem.

[Len [K4IWL]]

I'm hoping that there are still some K1 aficionados out there.
 
 
I ordered my K1 with the 4-band-filter board. I was not able to get the
4-band-filter to work so I ordered the 2-band-filter (since it's a simpler
board) so I could determine if it's a problem with the K1 main board or the
filter board. To make a long story short, the K1 with the 2-band-filter
works perfectly (40/20M) and the relay switching works. I then finished the
KAT and it works with the 2BFB just fine.
 
But here's the problem, I am still debugging the 4-band-filter inbetween
using the K1 with the 2BFB. When I plug in the 4BFB there is no relay
activity at all when I switch bands. The relays stay in the reset position.
I have run out of ideas. Here is what I've done:
Replaced the 4MHz resonator. Replaced the IOC with a spare that I have. So
far nothing works. I have visually inspected every solder joint. I have
reflowed the solder on all the IOC and resonator pads. I have checked
continuity between the IOC pins and the relays and they are all solid. I
have checked the common connection to all the relays for shorts and opens. I
have checked continuity through RFC1. There are no shorts that I have
detected or seen on the board (solder splashes, globs, etc.) although I'm
not ruling that out yet. Nothing I've done fixes it.
 
Any new ideas out there? Anybody else have this same or similar problem? The
relay switching has nothing to do with the RF paths, these appear OK when I
manually apply 1.5V to selected relays for the band configuration. RF is
getting through as it should on each of the 4 bands. Oh .. yeh ... I am not
getting any error codes on the display either. And when I switch the bands
with the front panel switch, the display changes but no relays activate.
 
72,
LEN, K4IWL
www.qrz.com/k4iwl
K2 #848,  K1 #1221,  Wilderness Radio Sierra (another Wayne rig),
Every RockMite imaginable, and a 15M HiMite.

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