Re: [Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: Relay noise?

[Paul Christensen]

I recently ran into a similar issue when interfacing an Ameitron QSK-5, K3, 
and SPE 1K amplifier.  Regardless of power through the QSK-5, it produces an 
audible "tick" when keying.  Yes, there are two relays inside the QSK-5 
unit, but neither is the cause.

It turns out that the QSK-5's PIN diodes are being biased with moderately 
high voltage. The ticking sound follows the application of diode bias.  I 
could swear it was the input signaling relay when I tried to localize the 
sound.  Only, the PCB is functioning as an acoustical sound board (akin to a 
piano or violin), amplifying the "tick" produced by the biasing of the PIN 
diodes.   I still don't know the exact ticking mechanism.

I've heard similar effects when using high-voltage transistors.  Anyone who 
has worked extensively with these transistors or high-power PIN diodes care 
to add an explanation?

Paul, W9AC


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Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: Relay noise?


>
> Thanks Steve.
>
> It's sure strange that I get the same click whether I run 1 W, or 100 W. 
> I
> could understand some sort of residual magnetic effect (for lack of a 
> better
> term) causing some mechanical movement to create the noise if it was only
> present while running high power, in which case high currents are present,
> and thus the potential for a powerful magnetic field. But at 1 watt- there
> is something else going on. In any case, I don't think it's a problem- 
> just
> an annoyance.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ellington [via Elecraft]
> [mailto:ml-node+4143590-665332...@n2.nabble.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:57 PM
> To: AC7JW
> Subject: Re: K3: Relay noise?
>
>
>
> I used some plastic tubing stuck in one ear trying to track it down. I
> narrowed it down to one relay but it's been at least 6 months ago and I
> can't recall which one made the noise. I had suggestions to check for 
> loose
> ferrite chokes along the high current DC line but that wasn't the source. 
> If
>
> I happen to remember which relay it was, I'll post it here. 73
> Steve
> N4LQ
> [hidden email]
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "AC7JW" <[hidden email]
>  >
> To: <[hidden email]
>  >
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Relay noise?
>
>
>>
>> I've followed this thread concerning a QSK clicking noise through all
>> comments, as well as other similar threads on the list, but it doesn't
>> appear as if anyone ever came to a firm conclusion as to origin of this
>> clicking noise. As others have stated, I can hear a very faint mechanical
>> clicking that follows my code when using QSK. It sounds like it's coming
>> from the KPA100 region, but I can't tell for sure.
>> Did anyone ever come to a conclusion, or receive any information from
>> Elecraft?
>>
>> Thanks-
>> Jason AC7JW
>>
>>
>> Steve Ellington wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a mechanical relay that follows keying? I've had my K3 for
>>> nearly
>>> a
>>> year and didn't notice any relay noise until lately. I know the antenna
>>> TR
>>> is done by pin diodes but I can now hear the faint click of a small 
>>> relay
>
>>> that wasn't there before. I'm using ver. 2.8
>>> Steve Ellington
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: DZKIT Sienna?

[Paul Christensen]

I had a chance to see the Sienna in person at Dayton a few years ago.  It 
looks significantly better in person than what's seen in their ads.  I 
haven't been following its progress, but from what I recall, it uses some 
fairly high-end components. The panel switches and machined knobs are 
particularly nice as is the overall fit and finish.

Paul, W9AC

> No, not at all! I find refreshing a rig that is not trying to look like 
> consumer hi-fi stereo equipment. And wasn't it just a few days ago that 
> real aluminum knobs made more than a few Christmas wish lists? 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 diversity A/B VFO bumpage

[Bill W4ZV]

Ralph Parker wrote:
> 
>>...I would accidentily bump the VFO-B knob.
>>Is there any reason why the VFO-B knob could be not be deactivated...
> 
> Happens to me, too.
> Fortunately, I found that 'lock' will work for either VFO.
> Go to 'BSET', hold 'LOCK', and presto - problem solved!
> And RIT/XIT still work for both linked VFOs.
> A real plus for 160m diversity operation, IMHO.
> 
>>...hold the SUB button for a longer time until you see DVRSTY on the
screen.
> Doesn't work on my 3.63 (but I don't need it to).
> 
> VE7XF
> 

 Try the following:

1.  Turn SUB off (so the SUB icon does not show on the display).
2.  Then hold SUB continuously for 4 seconds and note whether DVRSTY
momentarily appears in the VFOB area of the display.  If it does not, you
have a defective K3.

I timed mine the other day and it took >3 seconds to enter Diversity mode. 
If you don't learn how to use Diversity correctly, you won't be able to
operate SPLIT while in Diversity (which requires being able to set VFOB for
TX separately from VFOA for RX Diversity).

73,  Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Memory Management

[Jan Holmer SM6TUW]

Greg, 
Maybe this one suits your needs?

 http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm

Jan


w4grj wrote:
> 
> Suggest you look at the Kenwood control program RCP-570 for the TS-480. In
> addition to memory management, it makes it very easy to control the radio
> in addition to filter management and IF shift, DSP control, etc.
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: DZKIT Sienna - Give it a break!

[Lee Buller]

I think there are some here on the list that just have a lack of appreciation.  
The Sienna is somebodies "work of life" and it should not be trashed.  I find 
it refreshing that the designer did something "different" or took a different 
track that what is being done in the market place.  Different is not bad.  I 
appreciated the rig for its design.  It is like and art piece...some people 
like it...some people think it is trash.

But, there is a person that designed it.  Why trash it?  I do not see why.  
Constructive criticism is good, but calling it a tank radio is just 
outlandish.  Bad Form.  I don't like it when people here make "trashing" 
remarks against Elecraft products.    I wonder how think Elecraft skin 
is...they say it is pretty thick...but some of the comments to the Elecraft 
designers have to sting.

Another point...people are trashing the radio before sitting in front of it.  
Trashing it because of looks and publish specifications.  I saw it at Dayton 
several years ago and it is a pretty nice radio.  Again, I could not say yea or 
nay because the radio has very little track record.  I do not think he has 
shipped 3,000 units.  

Lets see you make and market a radio.  I don't think it is that easy.  Give the 
guy a brake and appreciate his "work."

Let's give the guy a break.

Flame suit on...fire extinguisher is nearby.

Lee - K0WA


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any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: DZKIT Sienna - Give it a break!

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

And the well-thought-out reason this is being discussed endlessly on a
reflector for Elecraft radios is ??.

The topic could be be taken to the cat care reflector,

 or to the Idaho Potato reflector,

 or to the interior design paint color reflector,

 or to the reflector for radios unfairly called tank radios,

 or to the Icom reflector (equal opportunity and all that),

**OR** better yet, to the reflector for Off Topic Topics where the
only forbidden topic is why something should be posted to their
reflector.

73, Guy.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Lee Buller  wrote:
>
> I think there are some here on the list that just have a lack of 
> appreciation.  The Sienna is somebodies "work of life" and it should not be 
> trashed.  I find it refreshing that the designer did something "different" or 
> took a different track that what is being done in the market place.  
> Different is not bad.  I appreciated the rig for its design.  It is like and 
> art piece...some people like it...some people think it is trash.
>
> But, there is a person that designed it.  Why trash it?  I do not see why.  
> Constructive criticism is good, but calling it a tank radio is just 
> outlandish.  Bad Form.  I don't like it when people here make "trashing" 
> remarks against Elecraft products.    I wonder how think Elecraft skin 
> is...they say it is pretty thick...but some of the comments to the Elecraft 
> designers have to sting.
>
> Another point...people are trashing the radio before sitting in front of it.  
> Trashing it because of looks and publish specifications.  I saw it at Dayton 
> several years ago and it is a pretty nice radio.  Again, I could not say yea 
> or nay because the radio has very little track record.  I do not think he has 
> shipped 3,000 units.
>
> Lets see you make and market a radio.  I don't think it is that easy.  Give 
> the guy a brake and appreciate his "work."
>
> Let's give the guy a break.
>
> Flame suit on...fire extinguisher is nearby.
>
> Lee - K0WA
>
>
> In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you 
> don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't 
> find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  
> Is Common Sense divine?
>
> Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my 
> mind. -  J. Wolf
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] OT: DZKIT Sienna?

[Julian, G4ILO]

David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> I'm honestly curious.  What bullseye is that?  What features or 
> performance does it offer that other rigs don't provide more cheaply?  I 
> looked over the specs carefully and I simply didn't find it.  The 
> colorful panel??
> 

I've never considered cost vs spec to be a particularly important issue when
choosing a radio. The same could (and indeed was) said of the K2 when that
first came out.

The niche that the Sienna occupies is that it is a desktop HF radio that you
can build yourself. The K2 is its only remote competitor and that is small,
and as we all know from discussions about the K3 a lot of people like their
desktop radios to be big. The K3 doesn't satisfy kit builders because it is
assembled from ready made and tested boards you can't build it yourself.

Many people who like to build stuff aren't remotely interested in winning
contests or working weak DX. So the fact that the Sienna's RF performance is
not as good as that of the K3 is unimportant to the people I think it's
aimed at. I think (and hope) that there is enough of a market for products
like the Sienna to exist. Were I not now so long-sighted that any
construction involves bending over the desk with a magnifier headset with an
inevitable painful result on my back, I'd be tempted to order one myself.

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
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* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Memory Management

[Wes Stewart]

That's a nice program and I've used it myself, but it just "captures" memories, 
it doesn't allow the writing of memories.

Wes

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jan Holmer SM6TUW  wrote:

> From: Jan Holmer SM6TUW 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3]  K3 Memory Management
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 5:24 AM
> 
> Greg, 
> Maybe this one suits your needs?
> 
>  http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> w4grj wrote:
> > 
> > Suggest you look at the Kenwood control program
> RCP-570 for the TS-480. In
> > addition to memory management, it makes it very easy
> to control the radio
> > in addition to filter management and IF shift, DSP
> control, etc.
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: Relay noise?

[Steve Ellington]

Interestingly you can hear the tick even when in TEST mode. Fortunately it's 
hard to hear above the sidetone. I ordered the new DSP board so while I've 
got the covers off I'll dig around for the noise again. I need something 
better than tubing in the ear.
Steve
N4LQ
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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Christensen" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: Relay noise?


>I recently ran into a similar issue when interfacing an Ameitron QSK-5, K3,
> and SPE 1K amplifier.  Regardless of power through the QSK-5, it produces 
> an
> audible "tick" when keying.  Yes, there are two relays inside the QSK-5
> unit, but neither is the cause.
>
> It turns out that the QSK-5's PIN diodes are being biased with moderately
> high voltage. The ticking sound follows the application of diode bias.  I
> could swear it was the input signaling relay when I tried to localize the
> sound.  Only, the PCB is functioning as an acoustical sound board (akin to 
> a
> piano or violin), amplifying the "tick" produced by the biasing of the PIN
> diodes.   I still don't know the exact ticking mechanism.
>
> I've heard similar effects when using high-voltage transistors.  Anyone 
> who
> has worked extensively with these transistors or high-power PIN diodes 
> care
> to add an explanation?
>
> Paul, W9AC
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "AC7JW" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:40 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: Relay noise?
>
>
>>
>> Thanks Steve.
>>
>> It's sure strange that I get the same click whether I run 1 W, or 100 W.
>> I
>> could understand some sort of residual magnetic effect (for lack of a
>> better
>> term) causing some mechanical movement to create the noise if it was only
>> present while running high power, in which case high currents are 
>> present,
>> and thus the potential for a powerful magnetic field. But at 1 watt- 
>> there
>> is something else going on. In any case, I don't think it's a problem-
>> just
>> an annoyance.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Steve Ellington [via Elecraft]
>> [mailto:ml-node+4143590-665332...@n2.nabble.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:57 PM
>> To: AC7JW
>> Subject: Re: K3: Relay noise?
>>
>>
>>
>> I used some plastic tubing stuck in one ear trying to track it down. I
>> narrowed it down to one relay but it's been at least 6 months ago and I
>> can't recall which one made the noise. I had suggestions to check for
>> loose
>> ferrite chokes along the high current DC line but that wasn't the source.
>> If
>>
>> I happen to remember which relay it was, I'll post it here. 73
>> Steve
>> N4LQ
>> [hidden email]
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "AC7JW" <[hidden email]
>>  >
>> To: <[hidden email]
>>  >
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Relay noise?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I've followed this thread concerning a QSK clicking noise through all
>>> comments, as well as other similar threads on the list, but it doesn't
>>> appear as if anyone ever came to a firm conclusion as to origin of this
>>> clicking noise. As others have stated, I can hear a very faint 
>>> mechanical
>>> clicking that follows my code when using QSK. It sounds like it's coming
>>> from the KPA100 region, but I can't tell for sure.
>>> Did anyone ever come to a conclusion, or receive any information from
>>> Elecraft?
>>>
>>> Thanks-
>>> Jason AC7JW
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Ellington wrote:

 Is there a mechanical relay that follows keying? I've had my K3 for
 nearly
 a
 year and didn't notice any relay noise until lately. I know the antenna
 TR
 is done by pin diodes but I can now hear the faint click of a small
 relay
>>
 that wasn't there before. I'm using ver. 2.8
 Steve Ellington
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[Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Barry N1EU]

There are some very useful little applications being developed out
there by the K3 user community.  I'd just like to plant a seed for a
potential new application to augment the limited display of the K3.
How about a simple application that would be a full-time display of
various K3 settings that aren't normally visible without pushing one
or more buttons?  The parameters that I'd really like to be able to
see with a quick glance:

shift (numeric)
width (numeric)
power
compression
mic gain
sub preamp
sub antenna selection
sub shift
sub width
AF Limit
AGC hold
AGC DCY
AGC SLP
AGC THR

I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge
along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc.
Again, this would be a display-only application, using up as little pc
monitor space as possible.

73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Memory Management

[w4grj]

The major way I use the Kenwood program is to set up the memories on the PC
then upload to the radio. I periodically save all the memories from the
radio back to the PC as back up. I currently have 87 different freqs/modes
stored. This is going to be a super PITA with the K3 without a control
program to manage.



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> From: Jan Holmer SM6TUW 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3]  K3 Memory Management
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 5:24 AM
> 
> Greg, 
> Maybe this one suits your needs?
> 
>  http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> w4grj wrote:
> > 
> > Suggest you look at the Kenwood control program
> RCP-570 for the TS-480. In
> > addition to memory management, it makes it very easy
> to control the radio
> > in addition to filter management and IF shift, DSP
> control, etc.
> > 
> > 
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[Elecraft] OT: Antenna Bends But Won't Break

[Dave, W8OV]

FYI

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/24069/?nlid=2594&a=f

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Antenna Bends But Won't Break

[Ken Alexander]

They invented wire, what a stunning breakthrough!  Now we can make our antennas 
out of this wire stuff and they'll bend but they won't break.  Ummm, hey...wait!

Just joking around!

73 - Ken


--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Dave, W8OV  wrote:

> From: Dave, W8OV 
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Antenna Bends But Won't Break
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:54 PM
> FYI
> 
> http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/24069/?nlid=2594&a=f
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: Relay noise?

[Joe Planisky]

Remember that some multi-layer ceramic capacitors can make noise  
("sing") due to piezoelectric effects.  Kemet has a short article (as  
a PDF document) explaining the phenomenon at

http://www.kemet.com/kemet/web/homepage/kfbk3.nsf/vaFeedbackFAQ/0EA15565AFC16E668525722500594468/$file/2006%2007%20ArrowAsiaTimes%20-%20MLC%20Noise.pdf

and a longer, more technical paper here:

http://www.kemet.com/kemet/web/homepage/kfbk3.nsf/vaFeedbackFAQ/118EBDDDFA5D532C852572BF0046B776/$file/2007%20CARTS%20-%20Reduced%20Microphonics%20and%20Sound%20Emissions.pdf


Or search for "singing capacitors" on your favorite search engine.

73
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On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:40 PM, AC7JW wrote:

>
> I could understand some sort of residual magnetic effect (for lack  
> of a better
> term) causing some mechanical movement to create the noise if it was  
> only
> present while running high power, in which case high currents are  
> present,
> and thus the potential for a powerful magnetic field. But at 1 watt-  
> there
> is something else going on.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Mike]

The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another 
application.

73, Mike NF4L

Barry N1EU wrote:
> There are some very useful little applications being developed out
> there by the K3 user community.  I'd just like to plant a seed for a
> potential new application to augment the limited display of the K3.
> How about a simple application that would be a full-time display of
> various K3 settings that aren't normally visible without pushing one
> or more buttons?  The parameters that I'd really like to be able to
> see with a quick glance:
>
> shift (numeric)
> width (numeric)
> power
> compression
> mic gain
> sub preamp
> sub antenna selection
> sub shift
> sub width
> AF Limit
> AGC hold
> AGC DCY
> AGC SLP
> AGC THR
>
> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge
> along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc.
> Again, this would be a display-only application, using up as little pc
> monitor space as possible.
>
> 73,
> Barry N1EU
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[Elecraft] K3 - Latest Beta update

[Terry]

Sorry I have `missed the boat` on this thread.
I use my K3 most of the time with AGC Off as I find this offers best 
weak signal performance. The AF protection, if I understand its function 
  correctly, does not seem to be operating on my receiver with AGC off 
despite the software update ... ?

Terry G4AMT

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Phil Hystad]

On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Mike wrote:

> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another 
> application.


Which is a very good reason for supporting the K3 as a network addressable
device.  Each K3 should have its own IP address.





> 
> 73, Mike NF4L
> 
> Barry N1EU wrote:
>> There are some very useful little applications being developed out
>> there by the K3 user community.  I'd just like to plant a seed for a
>> potential new application to augment the limited display of the K3.
>> How about a simple application that would be a full-time display of
>> various K3 settings that aren't normally visible without pushing one
>> or more buttons?  The parameters that I'd really like to be able to
>> see with a quick glance:
>> 
>> shift (numeric)
>> width (numeric)
>> power
>> compression
>> mic gain
>> sub preamp
>> sub antenna selection
>> sub shift
>> sub width
>> AF Limit
>> AGC hold
>> AGC DCY
>> AGC SLP
>> AGC THR
>> 
>> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge
>> along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc.
>> Again, this would be a display-only application, using up as little pc
>> monitor space as possible.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Monty Shultes]

If you want to share the K3's serial port, LP-BRIDGE does a great job.  I 
use Kcomm, PowerSDR-IF, EasyPal, Digipan at the same time (if a needed sound 
card is available - I have 2 so far).
If you need more serial ports on your PC, I've found that PCI Express cards 
are a good - though expensive - solution for current desktops.

Monty
K2DLJ

> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another
> application.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
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Re: [Elecraft] Initial Build: Error calibrating Synthesizer

[Mike]

Rob -

See page 69 in the operator's manual for ERR VCO and on page 66 for a 
section titled Error Messages (ERR xxx).

73 and GL.

Mike NF4L

Rob Gault wrote:
> I am in the process of building my K3 kit SN:3700.  I am at the  
> configure synthesizer step; I am getting ERR VCO displayed in the VFO  
> B portion of the screen and E 5 in the VFO A portion of the screen.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to correct this and clear  
> the error?
>
> 73,
> Rob Gault / KC2VMP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Barry N1EU]

This problem has already been addressed by N8LP and that's why I
specifically mentioned LP-Bridge in my original post.  The
availability of LP-Bridge is precisely what opens up the possibility
(and power) of using a simple display application like I described to
address the K3's limited display info.

73,
Barry N1EU

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Mike  wrote:
> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another
> application.

> Barry N1EU wrote:
>> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge
>> along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Greg - AB7R]

Exactly...and it works GREAT for this exact purpose.

Other than the K3 Utility which is a necessity, I think LPB is the single most 
useful 
piece of software out there that supports the K3.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
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On Thu Dec 10  6:59 , Barry N1EU  sent:

>This problem has already been addressed by N8LP and that's why I
>specifically mentioned LP-Bridge in my original post.  The
>availability of LP-Bridge is precisely what opens up the possibility
>(and power) of using a simple display application like I described to
>address the K3's limited display info.
>
>73,
>Barry N1EU
>
>On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Mike n...@nf4l.com> wrote:
>> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another
>> application.
>
>> Barry N1EU wrote:
>>> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge
>>> along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc.
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed

[Bill W4ZV]

Mike-14 wrote:
> 
> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another 
> application.
> 

Which is why Barry suggested LP-Bridge, which allows multiple applications
to address the K3 simultaneously:

http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html

Regarding a separate IP address for the K3, I wouldn't hold my breath while
waiting for that to happen any time soon.  When and if it does happen, it
would be more likely be on a next generation K4.  Meanwhile LP-Bridge is a
perfectly good solution, and many are using PowerSDR, N1MM and CW Skimmer
running simultaneously on the K3.  Note that LP-Bridge **does not** allow
sharing the K3 with any other applications because of potentially corrupting
firmware downloads (and that's a good thing!)

73,  Bill



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed

[Bill W4ZV]

Bill W4ZV wrote:
> Note that LP-Bridge **does not** allow sharing the K3 with any other
> applications because of potentially corrupting firmware downloads (and
> that's a good thing!)
> 

Oops...should have said "K3 Utility" instead of K3 above.

73,  Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Memory Management

[Radio Amateur N5GE]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:24:51 -0800 (PST), Jan Holmer SM6TUW
 wrote:

I downloaded the software and ran it, but don't like that it stores
the data on the computer instead of setting the memory locations on
the rig.  That will work but if you use LP_Bridge and/or HRD for rig
control you cannot use K3EZ at the same time to load the memories
stored by K3EZ.

It's a nice application, but that one thing limits it's usefulness
with regard to memory management.

73,

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1, 2 W2's and other small kits

1 K144XV on order

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.swotrc.net

>
>Greg, 
>Maybe this one suits your needs?
>
> http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm
>
>Jan
>
>
>w4grj wrote:
>> 
>> Suggest you look at the Kenwood control program RCP-570 for the TS-480. In
>> addition to memory management, it makes it very easy to control the radio
>> in addition to filter management and IF shift, DSP control, etc.
>> 
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed

[Greg - AB7R]

One side noteI HAVE used the K3 Utility through LPB for the sole purpose of 
executing macros.  Though as Bill said you should NEVER try to do a FW update 
through LPB.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
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On Thu Dec 10  7:14 , Bill W4ZV  sent:

>
>
>
>Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> Note that LP-Bridge **does not** allow sharing the K3 with any other
>> applications because of potentially corrupting firmware downloads (and
>> that's a good thing!)
>> 
>
>Oops...should have said "K3 Utility" instead of K3 above.
>
>73,  Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[David Fleming]

Hi Barry,

I'm working on an app similar to what you describe. It will be similar to 
K3-EZ, but instead of having all of the various options in a tab panel in one 
window, there will be a number of 'mini' apps that can each be displayed in 
it's own window. This will allow the user to pick which app they want displayed 
at any one time. I currently have a band stack, RX and TX Equalizer editor, and 
Memory editor working. Next on the list is a window with various configuation 
options like you described. I'm using an SQL database which will allow a 
virtually unlimited number of band stack registers by band/mode, memories, EQ 
settings, etc. I still have lots of work to do, but hopefully I'll have 
something usable in a few weeks. It will be available for Mac, Windows, and 
maybe Linux. Not sure how well it will play with LP-Bridge at this point.

David, W4SMT

> > Barry N1EU wrote:
> >> I envision using such an application in
> conjunction with LP-Bridge
> >> along with other software such as logging
> software, panadapter, etc.

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[Elecraft] LP-Bridge Question

[Lee Buller]

OK, I am behind the times here and have been reading the thread about 
LP-Bridge.  I am going to play with this when I get home this 
eveningbut...I have a question.

How does it interact with N1MM Logger?  Are there issues? 

I am using one real comm port (RS-232 type or COM1) to the K3.  I am using K1EL 
keyer on USB for keying.

Lee - K0WA
 

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any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Mike]

I'll go look at LP-Bridge. Thanks for the tip.

Mike

Monty Shultes wrote:
> If you want to share the K3's serial port, LP-BRIDGE does a great 
> job.  I use Kcomm, PowerSDR-IF, EasyPal, Digipan at the same time (if 
> a needed sound card is available - I have 2 so far).
> If you need more serial ports on your PC, I've found that PCI Express 
> cards are a good - though expensive - solution for current desktops.
>
> Monty
> K2DLJ
>
>> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another
>> application.
>>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Bridge Question

[Barry N1EU]

Lee Buller wrote:
> 
> 
> How does it interact with N1MM Logger?  Are there issues? 
> 
> 
You configure LP-Bridge to connect to the "real" serial port.  You configure
one or more "virtual" com ports within LP-Bridge for use by your
applications.  You configure your application to use the virtual com port. 
It's easy.

Are there issues?  There's one obscure issue that I know of that probably
won't impact anybody but me.  LP-Bridge does not pass !BExx (dsp direct)
macros from N1MM Logger to the K3.  That's the only issue I've encountered.

73,
Barry N1EU

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Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] OT: DZKIT Sienna - Give it a break!

[Darrell Huth]

Just to let you all know, I did purchase and build a Sienna from DZKIT in
early November. It is a very high quality kit and was lots of fun to build.
So far I have built the receiver and front panel and am almost finished with
the transmitter. I think half the reason I bought it was that I thought it
was one of the nicest looking radios I have seen in quite some timeIt is
different looking ( I thought the same about the K2 when it first came out )
. I never thought of comparing it to my K3, They are obviously two different
radios. Having built three K2's, a KX-1, and a K3, I needed another
challenge. It's nice to see another American company Selling high quality
kits, I think we still need a few more! 73, Darrell / WB6VHK

Guy, K2AV wrote:
> 
> And the well-thought-out reason this is being discussed endlessly on a
> reflector for Elecraft radios is ??.
> 
> The topic could be be taken to the cat care reflector,
> 
>  or to the Idaho Potato reflector,
> 
>  or to the interior design paint color reflector,
> 
>  or to the reflector for radios unfairly called tank radios,
> 
>  or to the Icom reflector (equal opportunity and all that),
> 
> **OR** better yet, to the reflector for Off Topic Topics where the
> only forbidden topic is why something should be posted to their
> reflector.
> 
> 73, Guy.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Lee Buller  wrote:
>>
>> I think there are some here on the list that just have a lack of
>> appreciation.  The Sienna is somebodies "work of life" and it should not
>> be trashed.  I find it refreshing that the designer did something
>> "different" or took a different track that what is being done in the
>> market place.  Different is not bad.  I appreciated the rig for its
>> design.  It is like and art piece...some people like it...some people
>> think it is trash.
>>
>> But, there is a person that designed it.  Why trash it?  I do not see
>> why.  Constructive criticism is good, but calling it a tank radio is just
>> outlandish.  Bad Form.  I don't like it when people here make "trashing"
>> remarks against Elecraft products.    I wonder how think Elecraft skin
>> is...they say it is pretty thick...but some of the comments to the
>> Elecraft designers have to sting.
>>
>> Another point...people are trashing the radio before sitting in front of
>> it.  Trashing it because of looks and publish specifications.  I saw it
>> at Dayton several years ago and it is a pretty nice radio.  Again, I
>> could not say yea or nay because the radio has very little track record. 
>> I do not think he has shipped 3,000 units.
>>
>> Lets see you make and market a radio.  I don't think it is that easy. 
>> Give the guy a brake and appreciate his "work."
>>
>> Let's give the guy a break.
>>
>> Flame suit on...fire extinguisher is nearby.
>>
>> Lee - K0WA
>>
>>
>> In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you
>> don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you
>> can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some
>> Common Sense.  Is Common Sense divine?
>>
>> Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my
>> mind. -  J. Wolf
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Bridge Question

[Greg - AB7R]

Lee.  I use that setup for all my contestingworks great!  You can give me a 
call if 
you have any problems with setting it up...but it is pretty straight forward.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Dec 10  7:40 , Lee Buller  sent:

>
>OK, I am behind the times here and have been reading the thread about 
>LP-Bridge.  I am 
going to play with this when I get home this eveningbut...I have a question.
>
>How does it interact with N1MM Logger?  Are there issues? 
>
>I am using one real comm port (RS-232 type or COM1) to the K3.  I am using 
>K1EL keyer 
on USB for keying.
>
>Lee - K0WA
> 
>
>In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you 
>don't have 
any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find any 
Common 
Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is Common Sense 
divine?
>
>Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. 
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[Elecraft] FDIM 2010 Challenge

[hank.k8dd]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Ken Evans 


Each year at FDIM attendees have the opportunity to bring their latest
projects and enter them into the "Building Contest". There are six
categories that are judged by the people attending Friday night's event.
This year we will add a special category called the FDIM 2010 QRP Challenge.
The rules for the challenge are listed below and at
http://www.qrparci.org/fdim72. Normally we do not make FDIM announcements
until January, but we thought that the extra time gained by announcing this
in December would help the participants. So put on your thinking caps and
heat up the irons. Let's see what can be done with this challenge!

Ken Evans, W4DU
President - QRP ARCI

The FDIM 2010 QRP Challenge

This year we have added a special category to the Homebrew Contest. It is
called The FDIM 2010 QRP Challenge. The objective is as follows:

Design and build a QRP Transceiver using the following rules:
. The transceiver is limited to a maximum of 72 parts*.
. The receiver must be a superhet or other "single signal receiver".
. Keying and muting must be included.
. Covers at least one of the standard QRP Frequencies as listed at
www.qrparci.org/qrpfrequency
. Capable of battery power for portable use.
. Schematic w/parts list and functional XCVR be brought (or sent) to
FDIM 2010.

* Only one part may be an IC, all other parts must be discrete components.
* Knobs, sockets, tuning dials, copper board, power source and enclosures
are not considered parts.
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[Elecraft] OT: DZKIT Sienna?

[DAVID GROPPER]

The 19 set was what got me started in Radio. My Dad bought one (complete) from 
War Surplus dealers in London.
Everything was in Russian. I got it to receive by trail and error.
The first station I ever heard was a Jazz station from the Armed Forces Network 
in Germany. The signatyre tune was "Night Train"

I've liked Jazz and SW listenening ever since.

Sorry Eric, but the memories that email brought back..


>> Most WW2 Russian tank 
radios were the 19 set, a British design 
>> manufactured in Canada and 
supplied to the Red Army under Lend-Lease.
 Dave G.
KK7SS

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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Bridge Question

[Richard Ferch]

Lee,

The current version (0.9.976) of LP-Bridge seems to work well with N1MM 
Logger. Previous versions did not work so well with the Logger, but this 
one seems to do the job. My basic normal setup is similar to yours (COM1 
connected to the radio and a WKSUB for CW). With LP-Bridge I can run 
N1MM Logger, SDR-IF Stage with the LP-PAN, and other software such as 
MixW and DXLabs simultaneously without any obvious problems.

N1MM Logger's support of the second receiver (interactions between SUB, 
SPLIT, and DVRSTY) is not perfect; ditto for its support of CW keying on 
the computer control serial port - but so far, when I have encountered 
problems with either of these I have found that the problems persist 
even when LP-Bridge is taken out of the picture, although some 
timing-dependent problems may display different symptoms.

73,
Rich VE3KI

Lee K0WA wrote:
> OK, I am behind the times here and have been reading the thread about 
> LP-Bridge.  I \
> am going to play with this when I get home this eveningbut...I have a 
> question.
> 
> How does it interact with N1MM Logger?  Are there issues? 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed

[Julian, G4ILO]

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned VSPE (Virtual Serial Port Emulator)
http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html .

Unlike LP-Bridge it passes all commands through to the K3. You can do
firmware updates through it, though *not* while other radio applications are
running!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Latest Beta update

[Wayne Burdick]

Terry,

With AGC OFF, your first line of defense is to set CONFIG:AF LIM to  
something in the 18-24 range so that the limiter will jump in to  
protect your ears when a strong signal appears.

The "AF output protection" feature kicks in at a *much* higher level.  
To trigger its muting action, you'd have to inject a very strong  
signal (say S9+50) along with max RF GAIN.

We've had a few reports that this AF muting comes in a little too soon  
in the AGC OFF case, and we'll be updating the firmware soon to move  
this threshold upward.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Terry wrote:

> Sorry I have `missed the boat` on this thread.
> I use my K3 most of the time with AGC Off as I find this offers best
> weak signal performance. The AF protection, if I understand its  
> function
>  correctly, does not seem to be operating on my receiver with AGC off
> despite the software update ... ?
>
> Terry G4AMT
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[Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Lee Buller]

Has anyone played around with an Ethernet to Serial Converter and the K3?  I am 
not sure how it would interface, but there are such devices.  Programming might 
be a challenge, but you could give your K3 and IP address

Lee
K0WA


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any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: DZKIT Sienna?

[Wes Stewart]

I got started in radio when my dad brought home a WWII era BC342N (I still have 
it) when I was about 13 or 14 years of age.

I started listening to Willis Conover on the Voice of America Jazz Hour. I've 
heard it said that Conover was recognized by more people on the planet than the 
U.S. President.

When the other kids in high school were buying Elvis records, I was buying 
Brubeck.  I still have those too.

Wes  N7WS


--- On Thu, 12/10/09, DAVID GROPPER  wrote:

> From: DAVID GROPPER 
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: DZKIT Sienna?
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 9:22 AM
> The 19 set was what got me started in
> Radio. My Dad bought one (complete) from War Surplus dealers
> in London.
> Everything was in Russian. I got it to receive by trail and
> error.
> The first station I ever heard was a Jazz station from the
> Armed Forces Network in Germany. The signatyre tune was
> "Night Train"
> 
> I've liked Jazz and SW listenening ever since.
> 
> Sorry Eric, but the memories that email brought back..
> 



  
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Matt Zilmer]

I'm using one of these
http://search.bb-elec.com/?s=&q=ES1A
with no problem.

Enet / Serial is not as fast as USB / Serial however.

Good Luck and 73,
matt W6NIA
K3 #24


On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:41:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>
>
>Has anyone played around with an Ethernet to Serial Converter and the K3?  I 
>am not sure how it would interface, but there are such devices.  Programming 
>might be a challenge, but you could give your K3 and IP address
>
>Lee
>K0WA
>
>
>In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you 
>don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't 
>find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  
>Is Common Sense divine?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 diversity A/B VFO bumpage

[Vic K2VCO]

I got so sick of waiting for the long HOLD function to enter diversity mode 
that I created 
a macro consisting of one command, DV1; and assigned it to the tap function of 
one of my 
programmable keys. Now I just tap this key to turn it on and tap SUB to turn it 
off.

Bill W4ZV wrote:

>  Try the following:
> 
> 1.  Turn SUB off (so the SUB icon does not show on the display).
> 2.  Then hold SUB continuously for 4 seconds and note whether DVRSTY
> momentarily appears in the VFOB area of the display.  If it does not, you
> have a defective K3.
> 
> I timed mine the other day and it took >3 seconds to enter Diversity mode. 
> If you don't learn how to use Diversity correctly, you won't be able to
> operate SPLIT while in Diversity (which requires being able to set VFOB for
> TX separately from VFOA for RX Diversity).
> 
> 73,  Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> Which is a very good reason for supporting the K3 as a 
> network addressable device. 

Network addressability is only a small part of the equation. 
The K3 controller would need to be reworked to support multiple 
simultaneous access to prevent a poll/command string from one 
application from interrupting a multiple command string from 
another controller. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:48 AM
> To: n...@nf4l.com
> Cc: elecraft; Barry N1EU
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Mike wrote:
> 
> > The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another
> > application.
> 
> 
> Which is a very good reason for supporting the K3 as a 
> network addressable
> device.  Each K3 should have its own IP address.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 73, Mike NF4L
> > 
> > Barry N1EU wrote:
> >> There are some very useful little applications being developed out
> >> there by the K3 user community.  I'd just like to plant a 
> seed for a
> >> potential new application to augment the limited display of the K3.
> >> How about a simple application that would be a full-time display of
> >> various K3 settings that aren't normally visible without 
> pushing one
> >> or more buttons?  The parameters that I'd really like to be able to
> >> see with a quick glance:
> >> 
> >> shift (numeric)
> >> width (numeric)
> >> power
> >> compression
> >> mic gain
> >> sub preamp
> >> sub antenna selection
> >> sub shift
> >> sub width
> >> AF Limit
> >> AGC hold
> >> AGC DCY
> >> AGC SLP
> >> AGC THR
> >> 
> >> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge
> >> along with other software such as logging software, 
> panadapter, etc.
> >> Again, this would be a display-only application, using up 
> as little pc
> >> monitor space as possible.
> >> 
> >> 73,
> >> Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Unless you are using LP-Pan for its panadapter functions, LP-Bridge 
is probably overkill.  The free Enterlogic VSPE port splitter will 
create multiple virtual ports that share a single "real" port (USB 
or motherboard) and allow multiple applications to access the K3 
simultaneously.  

Note, with multiple applications there are limitations ... the total 
polling load can not exceed the processing capability of the K3 
controller.  In addition, each application must be able to ignore 
responses to the other applications ... that is each application 
may process the data (e.g., the IF; data) but unexpected data should 
not be capable of confusing any application. 

The most significant problem with multiple software access is the 
case of multiple command strings.  It is nearly impossible to make 
multiple command strings work in a shared access environment due  
to the probability that a poll from one application will occur in 
the middle of a command string from another application. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:44 AM
> To: Monty Shultes
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
> 
> 
> I'll go look at LP-Bridge. Thanks for the tip.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Monty Shultes wrote:
> > If you want to share the K3's serial port, LP-BRIDGE does a great
> > job.  I use Kcomm, PowerSDR-IF, EasyPal, Digipan at the 
> same time (if 
> > a needed sound card is available - I have 2 so far).
> > If you need more serial ports on your PC, I've found that 
> PCI Express 
> > cards are a good - though expensive - solution for current desktops.
> >
> > Monty
> > K2DLJ
> >
> >> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another 
> >> application.
> >>
> >> 73, Mike NF4L
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Jim Brown]

Interesting. B&B is a very good vendor. Have you tried this sending 
CW on DTR and/or PTT on RTS?

Jim K9YC

>I'm using one of these
>http://search.bb-elec.com/?s=&q=ES1A
>with no problem.




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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed

[Julian, G4ILO]

Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
> 
> The most significant problem with multiple software access is the 
> case of multiple command strings.  It is nearly impossible to make 
> multiple command strings work in a shared access environment due  
> to the probability that a poll from one application will occur in 
> the middle of a command string from another application. 
> 
Have you found actual examples of this, Joe?

If I send a multiple command string as one string containing multiple
commands, I would not expect VSPE to insert another app's command in the
middle of it. Therefore the K3 would receive my string, in the right order,
with nothing inserted in it.

If an app sent a multiple command string as a series of separate commands
then I agree that could happen. Are there applications that do that?

There is potential for conflicts, especially if applications change the K3
modes, but in practise most people will be using one logging app that does
most of the polling and sets the mode and the other apps will be using a
limited set of commands to provide some specific functionality. Trying to
run HRD and another logger at the same time would be inadvisable, though.

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[Elecraft] Yamaha CM500

[Tom Boucher]

Shipping of the Yamaha CM500 headset may be free in US but they want $50 to 
ship to UK. Anyone know if there is a UK stockist?

Tom G3OLB

On Wednesday 09 December 2009 02:37:34 pm Merv Schweigert wrote:
> As someone posted before,  they are here for 38.00 free shipping,
> they are not a stocked item but if you order they say about a week
> to ship them.   Cheapest I have seen so far.
> www.bhphotovideo.com 
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Ken Alexander]

Interesting.  I just found out about these the other day and was about to ask 
here about them.

http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=56

73 - Ken




--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Lee Buller  wrote:

From: Lee Buller 
Subject: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
To: "Elecraft Reflector" 
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:41 PM



Has anyone played around with an Ethernet to Serial Converter and the K3?  I am 
not sure how it would interface, but there are such devices.  Programming might 
be a challenge, but you could give your K3 and IP address

Lee
K0WA


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[Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: Saving your radio's configuration

[Wayne Burdick]

Once you have the K3 set up the way you like it, you should save your  
EEPROM parameters. This will allow you to restore the setup easily.  
Normally this would not be necessary, but it's a good idea to have the  
configuration file around, just in case.

A K3 configuration file can even be used to "clone" one K3's setup to  
another rig with the same options and crystal filters.

To save the configuration: Run K3 Utility, click on the  
"Configuration" tab, then click on "Save K3 Configuration." K3 Utility  
names the file based on the current date and time and your K3's serial  
number. If you ever restore the configuration, be sure to use the  
latest file.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
  
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[Elecraft] Weather

[Frank MacDonell]

A little off topic, but can anyone recommend a good wireless weather
station? Thanks!

-- 
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Jim Brown]

The Glentek website needs some work. It's harder than it should be to figure 
out what this stuff 
does and what it costs. 

On the other hand, the B&B site lists another very interesting Ethernet to 
RS232 product. Only $99, 
it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact that it runs on 12VDC 
makes it easy to 
power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software compatibility is 
listed for W2K, XP, and 
Vista. 

http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf

One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher RF emissions). 

There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably nothing a wall wart for 
240V and EU/UK plug).

73,

Jim K9YC

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander wrote:

>Interesting.  I just found out about these the other day and was about to ask 
>here about them.

>http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=56



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed

[David Fleming]

Hi Barry,

I'm working on an app similar to what you describe. It will be similar to 
K3-EZ, but instead of having all of the various options in a tab panel in one 
window, there will be a number of 'mini' apps that can each be displayed in 
it's own window. This will allow the user to pick which app they want displayed 
at any one time. I currently have a band stack, RX and TX Equalizer editor, and 
Memory editor working. Next on the list is a window with various configuatio

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Barry N1EU  wrote:

> From: Barry N1EU 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
> To: "elecraft" 
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 9:59 AM
> This problem has already been
> addressed by N8LP and that's why I
> specifically mentioned LP-Bridge in my original post. 
> The
> availability of LP-Bridge is precisely what opens up the
> possibility
> (and power) of using a simple display application like I
> described to
> address the K3's limited display info.
> 
> 73,
> Barry N1EU
> 
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Mike 
> wrote:
> > The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port
> with another
> > application.
> 
> > Barry N1EU wrote:
> >> I envision using such an application in
> conjunction with LP-Bridge
> >> along with other software such as logging
> software, panadapter, etc.
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[Elecraft] Need help with 2 K3,s SO2R & N1MM

[Bill Maddock]

I am unable to get 2 ~ K3,s to work with
N1MM and SO2R for cw ~ have heard its a
Glitch in N1MM!  What best way to work around this? Any ideas would be 
appreciated!
Please respond to n4z...@yahoo.com

Thanks and 73,
Bill  N4ZI 

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[Elecraft] [HAM] SV: Yamaha CM500 Headset is a WINNER (and a BARGAIN)

[sm7vzx]

Hello Bob,

 

It will be nice to hear your experience with Yamaha CM500 and K2, when it
arrive…

 

 

Best Regards

Samir, 7S7V

www.qsl.net/7s7v

 

 

Från: Bob Maser [via Elecraft]
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Skickat: den 9 december 2009 22:04
Till: sm7vzx
Ämne: Re: Yamaha CM500 Headset is a WINNER (and a BARGAIN)

 

I ordered mine through  Full Compass. With shipping it was $48 but they are 
out of stock and don't expect to be able to ship until after the first of 
the year. 

Bob W6TR 
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] Yamaha CM500 Headset is a WINNER (and a 
BARGAIN) 


> 
> Is someone tried on K2? If YES, what kind of settings you are using on K2?

> 
> Thanks 
> 7S7V 
> 
> 
> Wes Stewart wrote: 
>> 
>> I second all of this. I've been using one since June. 
>> 
>> --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Jim Brown <[hidden email]
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wrote: 
>> 
>> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]
 > 
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset is a WINNER (and a BARGAIN) 
>> To: "Elecraft List" <[hidden email]
 > 
>> Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 11:28 AM 
>> 
>> Last night, K6MM posted to the NCCC Email list: 
>> 
>>>Headset Report: The new Yamaha CM500 headset performed flawlessly. 
>>>Great reports, comfortable all weekend, good soundproofing. A real 
>>>bargain at $40 -- thanks again for the group purchase, Josh (W6XU). 
>> 
>> After about 22 hours of use in SS-SSB, I'd like to reinforce John's 
>> comments on these headsets. I find the headset quite comfortable, 
>> the cans sound very good, and the mic produces GREAT audio. I bought 
>> three, and they are replacing the EV RE16 that I've used exclusively 
>> for contesting for the last five years! If you worked W6BX, K9YC, 
>> K6MM, AK6M, or W6XU, you were listening to the CM500. 
>> 
>> The mic in this headset is not a FLAT mic, but it's quite smooth and 
>> clean sounding, and the EQ is close to perfect for ham radio and 
>> contesting. It sounds MUCH MUCH MUCH better than most Heils I've 
>> heard (and at 1/3 the price). Because it's EQed for communications 
>> use and my existing voice messages were recorded with an RE16 (a very 
>> flat professional recording/broadcast mic), I had to re-record all of 
>> my SS messages. 
>> 
>> The only negative of this mic (and it's a minor one, because it's 
>> easy to work around it) is that it is a bit sensitive to breath pop 
>> and handling noise, so you need to roll off the low end AND keep it 
>> away from your mouth. I found myself alternating between two 
>> positions -- one below my mouth a few inches, and the other a few 
>> inches above and to the side, but out of the way of my nose (so that 
>> breathing didn't get into the mic). Both positions are quite 
>> comfortable, and both sound very good. I used the higher position 
>> for recording the messages. 
>> 
>> One VERY important caution -- the output from this mic is VERY high, 
>> and can easily overload the electronics that it is feeding if you 
>> don't take care with gain settings. To record, I ran straight into 
>> the sound card of my IBM T22 (eight year old Thinkpad) with the mic 
>> preamp OFF, the gain at minimum, and the mic about four inches away. 
>> Any closer caused the sound card to clip! I did NO eq while 
>> recording. 
>> 
>> When operating, I plugged the mic and headset into the rear panel 
>> connectors, turned on the bias (tap 2 on the keypad while in the mic 
>> select menu) and set mic gain to Low (tap 1 on the keypad in the mic 
>> select menu). I used max cut of the two lowest bands on the K3 to 
>> minimize the breath and handling noise. With other rigs, you may need 
>> to do that with a series cap. 
>> 
>> 73, 
>> 
>> Jim K9YC 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> Have you found actual examples of this, Joe?

Not specifically - but then I haven't looked for them.  

> If I send a multiple command string as one string containing 
> multiple commands, I would not expect VSPE to insert another 
> app's command in the middle of it. 

However, you can't do that if your application requires enabling 
a menu (e.g., TX EQ), selecting a "band" (e.g., 50 Hz), reading 
the current value, issuing a number of UP/DN commands, stepping 
to the next "band", and repeating the process to set all eight 
bands of TX EQ (or RX EQ).  Any interactive process that makes 
use of a menu is likely to "blow up" if the K3 receives a command 
from another application.  

Given the current interface, I believe any attempt to remotely 
save/change anything that requires reading the display will fail 
because of the need to pause to read the display and the chance 
that another program will clash at that moment. 

I'm not passing judgment on the "efficiency" of using an external 
application just pointing out that doing some of the things that 
have been requested may be a little difficult in a "shared" model. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
> > 
> > The most significant problem with multiple software access is the
> > case of multiple command strings.  It is nearly impossible to make 
> > multiple command strings work in a shared access environment due  
> > to the probability that a poll from one application will occur in 
> > the middle of a command string from another application. 
> > 
> Have you found actual examples of this, Joe?
> 
> If I send a multiple command string as one string containing 
> multiple commands, I would not expect VSPE to insert another 
> app's command in the middle of it. Therefore the K3 would 
> receive my string, in the right order, with nothing inserted in it.
> 
> If an app sent a multiple command string as a series of 
> separate commands then I agree that could happen. Are there 
> applications that do that?
> 
> There is potential for conflicts, especially if applications 
> change the K3 modes, but in practise most people will be 
> using one logging app that does most of the polling and sets 
> the mode and the other apps will be using a limited set of 
> commands to provide some specific functionality. Trying to 
> run HRD and another logger at the same time would be 
> inadvisable, though.
> 
> -
> Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
> * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
> * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
> * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
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Re: [Elecraft] [Fwd: Initial Build: Error calibrating Synthesizer] KC2VMP

[Rob Gault]

Thank you very much for the response.

You are spot on; it was a problem with the TMP cable to the KREF3 board not 
seated completely.

Unfortunately when I searched the archives the first time for the error below 
nothing was returned but a search for the second error (I didn't realize there 
were multiple errors at first) ERR VC4 E00255 did return a result that pointed 
me to the TMP cables.

73,
Rob Gault / KC2VMP

On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Dale Farmer wrote:

> Rob,
> 
> When you initiate the VCO calibration does it rapidly count up to 127 or does 
> it start out slow, speed up in the "middle" and slow down as it nears the 127 
> count?
> 
> If it just goes quickly up to 127 and gives you the error code, that is 
> indicative of not receiving the ref osc signal from the KREF3 board.  Make 
> sure your crystal is correctly seated in it's socket - the pin 1 dot should 
> be down toward the main rf pc board.  Make sure the TMP cable from the ref 
> board (either of the top two female TMPs on the KREF3) plugs into the TMP 
> jack that is midway up the KSYN3 board and not the one that is down by the 
> connector.
> 
> Let me know if you are still having a problem.
> 
> Dale
> K6ZP
> 
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Initial Build: Error calibrating Synthesizer
>> Date:Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:46:17 -0500
>> From:Rob Gault 
>> To:  Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> I am in the process of building my K3 kit SN:3700.  I am at the  
>> configure synthesizer step; I am getting ERR VCO displayed in the VFO  
>> B portion of the screen and E 5 in the VFO A portion of the screen.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to correct this and clear  
>> the error?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rob Gault / KC2VMP
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Re: [Elecraft] Initial Build: Error calibrating Synthesizer

[Rob Gault]

Another search of the archive found the fix.

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg73896.html

It was a TMP cable that wasn't completely seated.

73,
Rob Gault / KC2VMP
On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Rob Gault wrote:

> I am in the process of building my K3 kit SN:3700.  I am at the
> configure synthesizer step; I am getting ERR VCO displayed in the VFO
> B portion of the screen and E 5 in the VFO A portion of the screen.
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to correct this and clear
> the error?
> 
> 73,
> Rob Gault / KC2VMP
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Re: [Elecraft] Initial Build: Error calibrating Synthesizer

[Rob Gault]

Thank you,  I will be keeping an electronic copy of the manual available for 
searching in the future.

73,
Rob Gault / kc2vmp


On Dec 10, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Monty Shultes wrote:

> Rob -
> Page 62 of the manual tells how to clear the error.  Page 64 gives steps to 
> try to fix it.
> Monty  K2DLJ
> 
>> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to correct this and clear
>> the error?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rob Gault / KC2VMP
> 

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[Elecraft] A/B diversity switch

[Ralph Parker]

>1. Turn SUB off (so the SUB icon does not show on the display).
>2. hold SUB continuously for 4 seconds and note whether DVRSTY appears...

Tnx Bill, got it. Works for me now.
I see that I have to approach this from the UNLINK mode -
if I start from LINK mode, I don't get the DIVERSITY message.
So both VFOs are tracking (with 'A' knob, decimal blinking),
even though the 'B' frequency indication doesn't change.

I have yet to try SPLIT mode with this.
Gotta wait for 160 to show some life tonight (AUX ant only works on 160).

VE7XF

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Re: [Elecraft] [MM] W2 Questions [pending firmware changes and software applications]

[Wayne Burdick]

We're shooting for next week.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

NZ0T wrote:

>
> Thanks for the update Wayne - do you srill anticipate the first  
> version of
> the PC software to be available this week?
>
> 73 Bill nz0t
>
> wayne burdick wrote:
>>
>> We'll be making a number of improvements to W2 firmware in future
>> releases (starting in January). Firmware updates are very easy to do
>> on the W2, and the required serial cable is supplied.
>>
>> For example, the last LED segment illuminated will be able to show a
>> range of intensities (from off to fully on), allowing you to resolve
>> power steps with finer granularity than the panel labeling. This will
>> be especially useful when peaking amplifiers.
>>
>> We also have PC and Mac software applications in the works that will
>> provide very high-resolution bargraphs and additional features.


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Re: [Elecraft] [MM] W2 Questions [pending firmware changes and software applications]

[AD6XY]

That is brilliant - but can I re-make a plea I made at Dayton for a bit more
power hndling at VHF.  All I need is 400W, the UK limit, SSB not FM, and I
don't really mind if I have to do a few modifications.

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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Bridge Question

[Lawrence Libsch]

Lee -

LP Bridge is spectacular. It allows multiple software programs to interact 
simultaneously with the K3. It is stable, has an excellent manual, an active 
reflector (Yahoo Groups LP Pan), and excellent and immediate phone support from 
its author Larry Phipps. I have used LP Bridge with N1MM for several RTTY 
contests. It never faltered. It is totally transparent. 
In addition to allowing multiple software programs - maybe N1MM and 
Skimmer- to run simultaneously and bidirectionally contol the K3, it opens the 
possibility of a panadapter simultaneously running PowerSDR-IF from the K3 IF. 
PowerSDR's visual display provides lots of possibilities - see all the activity 
on the band at once, point and click tuning on dual VFOs if you want them, 
visibly adjust filters, band stacking registers, and more. LP Bridge is free. 
The panadapter can be implemented with Larry Phipps LP Pan, $220 built or $175 
kit last I looked, or with a Softrock LiteII for K3 for less than $20. I use 
the Softrock.
 I have no commercial interest in LP Bridge or LP Pan. Stuff this good 
deserves recognition.


K4KGG,Larry 
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Re: [Elecraft] Need help with 2 K3,s SO2R & N1MM

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

If you are talking about the inability to escape from a message 
when using CW and PTT on the CAT port, use four serial ports 
(two for CAT, two for CW/PTT - which also allows SO2R FSK RTTY),  
get a WinKey USB (www.k1el.com), or look into one of the other 
SO2R controllers. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


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> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Maddock
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:59 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with 2 K3,s SO2R & N1MM
> 
> 
> I am unable to get 2 ~ K3,s to work with
> N1MM and SO2R for cw ~ have heard its a
> Glitch in N1MM!  What best way to work around this? Any ideas 
> would be appreciated! Please respond to n4z...@yahoo.com
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> Bill  N4ZI 
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Re: [Elecraft] A/B diversity switch

[Richard Ferch]

VE7XF wrote:
> I see that I have to approach this from the UNLINK mode -
> if I start from LINK mode, I don't get the DIVERSITY message.
> So both VFOs are tracking (with 'A' knob, decimal blinking),
> even though the 'B' frequency indication doesn't change.

Actually, in diversity mode I believe both receivers are using VFO A. 
That's why the VFO B display doesn't change; VFO B is not affected by 
the VFO A knob (the VFO A knob affects VFO B in linked mode, but not in 
diversity mode). VFO B is still controlled by the VFO B knob, and it is 
used by the transmitter in SPLIT mode, just the same as in a 
one-receiver K3.

My mental model is as follows: the VFOs and the receivers are actually 
independent. The first receiver is always controlled by VFO A, but the 
second receiver can be controlled by either VFO (A = diversity, B = all 
other modes). The transmitter may be controlled by either VFO (A = 
non-split, B = split). The VFOs each have their own control knobs, but 
in LINK mode frequency change directives from the VFO A knob are also 
fed to VFO B.

73,
Rich VE3KI

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: DZKIT Sienna?

[Al Lorona]

> I'm honestly curious.  What bullseye is that?  What features or 
> performance does it offer that other rigs don't provide more cheaply?  
> 73,
> Dave  AB7E

You had me up until those two little words at the end of the sentence: "more 
cheaply". The short answer to that question is, "If price is your sole 
criterion, then you're right; maybe there are no features that meet that 
criterion." I've always had a problem with making that the deciding factor, 
though, otherwise I'd shop at WalMart and nowhere else, and I'd miss out on 
other attributes like convenience, pleasurable shopping experience, 
knowledgeable salespeople, customer service, etc., that usually cost more. (For 
our readers outside the US: WalMart is the lowest common denominator of 
American shopping. I *hate* WalMart.)

Going a little further, though, did you really not see anything there that 
could be called at least a little bit innovative? I think that an embedded PC 
is an interesting concept. It's not for everybody, but it's a cool concept. You 
take the Sienna on Field Day and you have N1MM Logger or N3FJP already 
built-in. Isn't that provocative? And, having that embedded PC allows you to do 
things like Ethernet and VGA, which are two things that I think many folks 
would like to have built-in to a rig. Shall I go on?

Thanks for the bandwidth... I have a feeling this thread is growing long in the 
tooth, so I'll let you have the last word and I'll stay shut up.


Al  W6LX
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[Elecraft] Band Switch questions

[Randy Tomer]

1) Is there a way to eliminate the 60 meter band in the band switch sequence?

2)  Is there a way to separate the 80 meter band into 75 m / 80 m two different 
bands?

Thanks, Randy W6RA

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[wb5tuf]

I have used Digiport products in commercial applications and they work great.

I haven't tried them for rig control.

http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/portserverii.jsp#overview


Glenn

-Original Message-
>From: Jim Brown 
>Sent: Dec 10, 2009 12:28 PM
>To: Elecraft List 
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
>
>The Glentek website needs some work. It's harder than it should be to figure 
>out what this stuff 
>does and what it costs. 
>
>On the other hand, the B&B site lists another very interesting Ethernet to 
>RS232 product. Only $99, 
>it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact that it runs on 
>12VDC makes it easy to 
>power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software compatibility is 
>listed for W2K, XP, and 
>Vista. 
>
>http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf
>
>One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher RF emissions). 
>
>There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably nothing a wall wart for 
>240V and EU/UK plug).
>
>73,
>
>Jim K9YC
>
>On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander wrote:
>
>>Interesting.  I just found out about these the other day and was about to ask 
>>here about them.
>
>>http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=56
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Band Switch questions

[Wayne Burdick]

On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Randy Tomer wrote:

> 1) Is there a way to eliminate the 60 meter band in the band switch  
> sequence?

Yes; see CONFIG:BND MAP.

>
> 2)  Is there a way to separate the 80 meter band into 75 m / 80 m  
> two different bands?

No, but you could use two different memories set to your favorite  
starting points, then use M>V to get there quickly.

What I do is set up the per-band quick memories for different modes  
and starting points on each band. In the case of 80 m, tapping M>V /  
M1 gets me to CW mode at 3540, M2 is LSB at 3900, M3 is AM-SYNC at  
3870, and M4 is PSK31 at 3580.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 software utility needed

[Julian, G4ILO]

It's a fair point you have raised, but I just did a few tests and it is
possible to select and change menu values while a program is polling during
normal operation. Clearly there is the potential for conflict - if you send
UP or DN commands hoping to change frequency it will change the menu
selection instead, just as turning the VFO will when a menu is selected. But
as long as people are aware of this and use the utilities intelligently and
don't try to tune the band at the same time as they are loading settings I
don't think there will be any problems. Not enough to render such utilities
useless, anyway. Obviously it would be easier if more options could be set
using direct commands so programs don't have to put the K3 into menu mode at
all to read or write settings.

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Re: [Elecraft] A/B diversity switch

[Bill W4ZV]

Ralph Parker wrote:
> 
>>1. Turn SUB off (so the SUB icon does not show on the display).
>>2. hold SUB continuously for 4 seconds and note whether DVRSTY appears...
> 
> Tnx Bill, got it. Works for me now.
> I see that I have to approach this from the UNLINK mode -
> if I start from LINK mode, I don't get the DIVERSITY message.
> So both VFOs are tracking (with 'A' knob, decimal blinking),
> even though the 'B' frequency indication doesn't change.
> 
> I have yet to try SPLIT mode with this.
> Gotta wait for 160 to show some life tonight (AUX ant only works on 160).
> 

SPLIT works in Diversity like it does with a single RX.  Press SPLIT, and
hold REV while you set your TX frequency, release REV and you are back on
the DX frequency.  I also LOCK VFOA so I don't lose the DX if I accidentally
bump a knob.  I operated for years with a TS-930S and learned to press REV
while tuning the pileup with my left hand (index finger on TF-SET in TS-930
nomenclature and pinky on the VFO).

I'm in Diversity 99.9% of the time but set up a macro to be able to quickly
switch from Diversity mode to split pileup mode with the RXs separated (on
the pileup and DX frequencies).  K6KR documented this in his K3 Utility
examples of macros.  There is also a macro to go back into Diversity from
Dual RX split mode.  As you discovered manually, the macro must first exit
SUB and then enter Diversity.  I only need to go into split pileup mode for
truly massive pileups spread over many kHz.  If it's a smaller pileup, I
just stay in Diversity-Split and use REV to find the station the DX is
working.

73,  Bill
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[Elecraft] How does Ethernet to Serial Port device work?

[Lee Buller]

OKnow we are talking.  But, how does the Ethernet to Serial Port device 
work?  Of course you have to give the device an IP number on your network, but 
then how does the computer/program address the device to send the information 
to the K3  through its comm port?  Is there translation software to do 
thator a command using the IP address?  This is interesting.  How does it 
work in the Winders program?  Somehow it has to have some intelligence to send 
the information to another specific IP address and then that address has to 
have the software to turn it into something usable...and visa versa.  HM.  
Can anyone educate me or point me to the information?

Lee - K0Wa


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any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?

Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. 
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Re: [Elecraft] Band Switch questions

[Wes Stewart]

Ahem, I'm going to top post my reply ;-)

I use the M1-M4 memories as you do, Wayne.  That said there would be merit to 
having a 75/80 meter separation at least in the band output info that drives 
decoders like the KRC2 that are used for automatic antenna selection.  



--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> From: Wayne Burdick 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band Switch questions
> To: "Randy Tomer" 
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 2:15 PM
> 
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Randy Tomer wrote:
> 
> > 1) Is there a way to eliminate the 60 meter band in
> the band switch  
> > sequence?
> 
> Yes; see CONFIG:BND MAP.
> 
> >
> > 2)  Is there a way to separate the 80 meter band
> into 75 m / 80 m  
> > two different bands?
> 
> No, but you could use two different memories set to your
> favorite  
> starting points, then use M>V to get there quickly.
> 
> What I do is set up the per-band quick memories for
> different modes  
> and starting points on each band. In the case of 80 m,
> tapping M>V /  
> M1 gets me to CW mode at 3540, M2 is LSB at 3900, M3 is
> AM-SYNC at  
> 3870, and M4 is PSK31 at 3580.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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[Elecraft] K3: band switch question

[Brian Machesney]

Wayne,

You wrote, "What I do is set up the per-band quick memories for different
modes
and starting points on each band. In the case of 80 m, tapping M>V /
M1 gets me to CW mode at 3540, M2 is LSB at 3900, M3 is AM-SYNC at
3870, and M4 is PSK31 at 3580."

Does one have to already be somewhere in the 80m band for this approach to
work?

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Re: [Elecraft] A/B diversity switch

[K2MK]

Hi Ralph:

If you see the decimal point blinking you ARE in diversity. Both the main 
and sub RX are controlled by VFO A. The lower display is not associated with 
diversity. The lower display and the VFO B knob would be used for split 
operation and can be linked or unlinked to VFO A.

If you turn diversity off then VFO B would be your sub RX receive frequency 
as well as your split frequency. Sometimes it is a little tricky to turn 
diversity off. Always look to see if the decimal is blinking. That's the 
only way to know for sure if diversity is on or off.

73,
Mike K2MK


Ralph Parker
Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:27:30 -0800

>1. Turn SUB off (so the SUB icon does not show on the display).
>2. hold SUB continuously for 4 seconds and note whether DVRSTY appears...

Tnx Bill, got it. Works for me now.
I see that I have to approach this from the UNLINK mode -
if I start from LINK mode, I don't get the DIVERSITY message.
So both VFOs are tracking (with 'A' knob, decimal blinking),
even though the 'B' frequency indication doesn't change.

I have yet to try SPLIT mode with this.
Gotta wait for 160 to show some life tonight (AUX ant only works on 160).

VE7XF
 

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Re: [Elecraft] A/B diversity switch

[wb6rse1]

On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, K2MK wrote:

If you see the decimal point blinking you ARE in diversity


Also - IF you HOLD the RX ANT button you can toggle the input to the  
second RX.

73! Steve WB6RSE
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Re: [Elecraft] Need help with 2 K3,s SO2R & N1MM

[Greg - AB7R]

Can you give more information on your setup and what the problem is?

I'm using N1MM and two K3s connected to a top ten DX Doubler and the Hamgadgets 
MK1 
keyer.  Works great.



-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Dec 10 10:58 , Bill Maddock  sent:

>I am unable to get 2 ~ K3,s to work with
>N1MM and SO2R for cw ~ have heard its a
>Glitch in N1MM!  What best way to work around this? Any ideas would be 
>appreciated!
>Please respond to n4z...@yahoo.com
>
>Thanks and 73,
>Bill  N4ZI 
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[Elecraft] SoftRock Lite 6.2 for K3 Panadapter

[Julian, G4ILO]

Can anyone advise me of the spec of the crystal needed to use a SoftRock 6.2
Lite receiver on the IF output of the K3 as a panadapter? I'd be
particularly interested to know where to purchase one in the UK.

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[Elecraft] K3: RS232 port and Rig control

[Kenneth Waites]

How to connecct all I need to connect ot the RS232 port is perplexing to me.
 
I need it for:
Stepir antenna tracking - on a y cable
Rig Expert digital modes interface for MIXW - on a y cable
K3 Utility interface (disconnect everything else)
Rig Control Program/Logging program.  This leaves me bound to MIXW.
 
I use a Y cable to interface to Steppir and MIXW.  Putting more Y cables 
creates a rats nest behind the K3, and there could be confilicts on a wire.
 
I feel kinda stuck.
 
Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Ken Alexander]

There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is selling 
them.  That's where I first noticed them, and thought it seemed like a good 
idea to not require a computer.  I don't know if the seller is Glentek or not.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/LAN-Internet-Remote-for-ICOM-Elecraft-KENWOOD-YAESU_W0QQitemZ250511870293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53abc955

They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me.  
Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough about 
network communication to make the thing work.

73 - Ken


--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jim Brown  wrote:

> From: Jim Brown 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
> To: "Elecraft List" 
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:28 PM
> The Glentek website needs some work.
> It's harder than it should be to figure out what this stuff
> 
> does and what it costs. 
> 
> On the other hand, the B&B site lists another very
> interesting Ethernet to RS232 product. Only $99, 
> it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact
> that it runs on 12VDC makes it easy to 
> power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software
> compatibility is listed for W2K, XP, and 
> Vista. 
> 
> http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf
> 
> One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher
> RF emissions). 
> 
> There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably
> nothing a wall wart for 240V and EU/UK plug).
> 
> 73,
> 
> Jim K9YC
> 
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander
> wrote:
> 
> >Interesting.  I just found out about these the
> other day and was about to ask here about them.
> 
> >http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=56
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] How does Ethernet to Serial Port device work?

[Julian, G4ILO]

Lee Buller wrote:
> 
> OKnow we are talking.  But, how does the Ethernet to Serial Port
> device work?  Of course you have to give the device an IP number on your
> network, but then how does the computer/program address the device to send
> the information to the K3  through its comm port?  Is there translation
> software to do thator a command using the IP address?  This is
> interesting.  How does it work in the Winders program?  Somehow it has to
> have some intelligence to send the information to another specific IP
> address and then that address has to have the software to turn it into
> something usable...and visa versa.  HM.  Can anyone educate me or
> point me to the information?
> 

The program on the PC opens a connection to the Ethernet S/P device. It
sends the rig control commands to the IP address instead of to a COM port.
The commands travel along the network inside a TCP packet. The adapter
receives the packet, extracts the command and sends it to the serial port
and thence to the K3. Any reply from the K3 is read from the serial port and
sent by TCP back to the program that connected to it.

In practise, communication with a network uses different software libraries
than communicating with a serial port. So you can't just type an IP address
instead of COM1 or whatever into HRD / Logger. Either the software has to be
specifically written to work over TCP/IP as well, or you must use a separate
bit of software on the PC that talks over the network to the Ethernet S/P
adapter but looks to the program like a COM port. Then you can use any rig
control program with it, transparently.

It wasn't clear to me looking at the sites referred to whether the devices
mentioned come with such a bit of software or whether you have to buy it
separately. Some of the diagrams show two Ethernet S/P adapters, one at each
end, which would be one way to go if a bit expensive.

I think Jim asked whether this would work keying CW using DTR. I think you
would get terrible latency which would vary depending on the traffic on the
network and the CW would be horrible. I think the only way to key the rig
remotely would be either to use the KY protocol supported by the K3 (but
unfortunately not many programs) or use a remote Winkeyer. But then you'd
need a separate Ethernet adapter to talk to that.

A while ago I came across a site that had a software Ethernet to serial
server, which could be useful if your K3 is normally connected to a PC but
you want to talk to it from a different one elsewhere on the network. It
would avoid the cost of one of these adapters. But now I can't find the
site. Perhaps I imagined it.

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[Elecraft] RJ-11 connector on bottom of the Front Panel

[Brian Moran]

What signals are available on the RJ-11 connector on the bottom of the front 
panel?  I see some lines on the schematic that indicate the data bus is 
available.

Can the signals on the RJ-11 be controlled via macros, or can I cause a 
front-panel button to put something on those control lines without otherwise 
performing an in-radio operation?

I have an external switching matrix for listening antennas that I'd like to 
control via the front-panel; I theorize that I could build something that 
snoops the data bus via the RJ11 and then use M1-M4 to control which RX antenna 
I'm listening to

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: band switch question

[Don Wilhelm]

Brian,

Yes - the M1-M4 memories are 'per band', so they only apply to the band 
you are currently on.

73,
Don W3FPR

Brian Machesney wrote:
> Wayne,
>
> You wrote, "What I do is set up the per-band quick memories for different
> modes
> and starting points on each band. In the case of 80 m, tapping M>V /
> M1 gets me to CW mode at 3540, M2 is LSB at 3900, M3 is AM-SYNC at
> 3870, and M4 is PSK31 at 3580."
>
> Does one have to already be somewhere in the 80m band for this approach to
> work?
>   
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Re: [Elecraft] RJ-11 connector on bottom of the Front Panel

[Don Wilhelm]

Brian,

Slight correction, it is an RJ-45 jack (Ethernet size).
Right now it has nothing accessible by the user, it is used only for 
factory test-beds.
Elecraft has implied that something may be forthcoming in the future 
which will use this jack, but who knows how long in the future.

73,
Don W3FPR

Brian Moran wrote:
> What signals are available on the RJ-11 connector on the bottom of the front 
> panel?  I see some lines on the schematic that indicate the data bus is 
> available.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Julian, G4ILO]

Ken Alexander-2 wrote:
> 
> There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is
> selling them. 
> 
> They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me. 
> Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough
> about network communication to make the thing work.
> 
> 

Hmm. It's probably some sort of embedded computer. I don't know why they
didn't go the whole hog and use one with a built-in sound card so you could
have two-way audio streaming as well. Perhaps next year's model will do
that...

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] A/B diversity switch

[David Yarnes]

Turning diversity on only takes 2 seconds (I timed it) on my 
K3.  Turning it off only takes a quick tap.

Dave W7AQK


- Original Message - 
From: "K2MK" 
To: "Elecraft Reflector" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A/B diversity switch


> Hi Ralph:
>
> If you see the decimal point blinking you ARE in 
> diversity. Both the main
> and sub RX are controlled by VFO A. The lower display is 
> not associated with
> diversity. The lower display and the VFO B knob would be 
> used for split
> operation and can be linked or unlinked to VFO A.
>
> If you turn diversity off then VFO B would be your sub RX 
> receive frequency
> as well as your split frequency. Sometimes it is a little 
> tricky to turn
> diversity off. Always look to see if the decimal is 
> blinking. That's the
> only way to know for sure if diversity is on or off.
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> Ralph Parker
> Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:27:30 -0800
>
>>1. Turn SUB off (so the SUB icon does not show on the 
>>display).
>>2. hold SUB continuously for 4 seconds and note whether 
>>DVRSTY appears...
>
> Tnx Bill, got it. Works for me now.
> I see that I have to approach this from the UNLINK mode -
> if I start from LINK mode, I don't get the DIVERSITY 
> message.
> So both VFOs are tracking (with 'A' knob, decimal 
> blinking),
> even though the 'B' frequency indication doesn't change.
>
> I have yet to try SPLIT mode with this.
> Gotta wait for 160 to show some life tonight (AUX ant only 
> works on 160).
>
> VE7XF
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] SoftRock Lite 6.2 for K3 Panadapter

[Don Wilhelm]

Julian,

I got one of the last ones that Tony packaged for the K3 and he put a 
32.7680 crystal in the kit.
I have not yet assembled it nor the Z1 buffer amp from Clifton Labs, 
so I can't say how it works.

73,
Don W3FPR

Julian, G4ILO wrote:
> Can anyone advise me of the spec of the crystal needed to use a SoftRock 6.2
> Lite receiver on the IF output of the K3 as a panadapter? I'd be
> particularly interested to know where to purchase one in the UK.
>
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Apologies to the Elecraft group

[Robert G. Strickland]

Any group of people generates dynamics apart from the stated purposes of 
the group. I cannot imagine that this technical reflector is an 
exception to the general rule. That said, I have not looked back or 
researched what Mr. Sarte said nor do I intend to do so. I note that his 
apology strikes a tone of civility and personal responsibility that, in 
my opinion, is all to frequently lacking in public discourse these days. 
For that alone, thank you, Mr. Sarte.

Season's Greetings, Happy Hanuka, Merry Christmas to all.

...robert

James Sarte wrote:
> Dear OM's,
> 
> I sent an email response to someone (in frustration) yesterday that
> inadvertently went to the reflector.  It should not have been sent.
> Regardless, I apologize if I have upset anyone over it.
> 
> 73 and Happy Holidays to all,
> James K2QI
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] A/B diversity switch

[Jim Brown]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:37:34 -0700, David Yarnes wrote:

>Turning diversity on only takes 2 seconds

"ONLY" 2 seconds is forever in a contest! That's why W4ZV developed 
his macro -- he just finished working ARRL 160M. :) 

73,

Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS232 port and Rig control

[Jim Brown]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:26:08 -0800 (PST), Kenneth Waites wrote:

>I use a Y cable to interface to Steppir and MIXW. 

That same cable works with any software that sends frequency 
commands on the serial line (N1MM, HRD, Writelog, Commander, etc.) 
The SteppIR controller simply monitors that line and looks for 
radio-specific frequency-set commands. 

N8LP has developed a serial port bridge that allows multiple 
software applications to use the same port. I don't know much about 
it, but you might want to look into it. 

73,

Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] FS Heil Proset Plus

[Craig D. Smith]

Well, I gave it another try.  I've always been a CW type but when I got my
K3 last year and read about how great it was on SSB I had a fit of
enthusiasm and bought a new Heil Proset Plus headset.  The headset worked
great, but found I still preferred CW.  Made a total of about 10 QSOs on SSB
on 6 meters and the lower bands and haven't used it since.  So it's time to
sell it.

This is a very nice headset.  Contains both HC-4 and HC-5 elements, both of
which work just fine.  Also a built-in phase reversal switch.  It has a long
cord and the supplied connectors plug directly into the rear phone and mic
jacks on the K3 - slick and neat connection.

This is in mint like-new condition and comes with the ear pad covers, the
mic windscreen, manual, original Heil box and shipping materials.  $160 to
my PayPal account including shipping to your door in USA via USPS Priority
Mail.  Email me directly if interested.

   Thanks and 73  Craig   AC0DS







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Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] SV: Yamaha CM500 Headset is a WINNER (and a BARGAIN)

[Jim Brown]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:03:25 -0800 (PST), sm7vzx wrote:

>It will be nice to hear your experience with Yamaha CM500 and K2

Based on my experience with several mics on my K2, I'd say that it 
should work just fine if wired properly. The response and high 
output level of the CM500's mic is just what the K2 needs!  Simply 
study the K2 doc for mic wiring and the tutorial info on my website.

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/publish.htm 

73,

Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Don Wilhelm]

Ken,

If you already have a home network set up, adding another ethernet 
device is like 'falling off a log' - just plug and play, and you can 
access it from anywhere on the network.  Setup will through a browser, 
but once the device is configured, it should look just like any other 
'computer' or device on the network.  Whether it is usable or not 
depends on your software application - if it can send through a TCP/IP 
connection, then it can access the device (and the K3), but if the 
application only supports serial communication, you are out of luck.

If you do not have a home network (assuming you have more than one 
computer), you might want to try setting up a network between the 
computers first to get some experience with how that is done - it is not 
hard, but there is a learning curve for the uninitiated.

73,
Don W3FPR

Ken Alexander wrote:
> There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is 
> selling them.  That's where I first noticed them, and thought it seemed like 
> a good idea to not require a computer.  I don't know if the seller is Glentek 
> or not.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/LAN-Internet-Remote-for-ICOM-Elecraft-KENWOOD-YAESU_W0QQitemZ250511870293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53abc955
>
> They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me.  
> Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough 
> about network communication to make the thing work.
>
> 73 - Ken
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [MM] W2 Questions [pending firmware changes and software applications]

[Radio Amateur N5GE]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:12:51 -0800 (PST), AD6XY 
wrote:

I second that.  I would sure order a QRO sensor for 2m/70cm, or modify
one of the VHF/UHF sensors I have back ordered.  None of my VHF UHF
amplifiers have outputs of less that 250W.

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1, 2 W2's and other small kits

1 K144XV on order

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.swotrc.net

>
>That is brilliant - but can I re-make a plea I made at Dayton for a bit more
>power hndling at VHF.  All I need is 400W, the UK limit, SSB not FM, and I
>don't really mind if I have to do a few modifications.
>
>Mike

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[Elecraft] Is the K2 old technology?

[Paul Huff]

I think that I have finally saved up enough money to purchase my long-desired 
K2.  But there are two thoughts that cause me to hesitate:

First, is the K2 "long in the tooth"?  Am I spending a significant amount of 
money on technology that is on it's way to being obsolete?

Second,  I will only be able to purchase a basic K2 and plan on adding the 
extras to it over the next couple of years.  Will Elecraft still be offering 
those products for that length of time?

I guess that I will ask that 2nd question directly to Elecraft, but any 
opinions 
on the first question would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance and 73,
Paul - N8XMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[Radio Amateur N5GE]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:12:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00), wb5...@earthlink.net
wrote:

If you already have a home network for Windows computers you can run
any rig control software remotely using Remote Desk Top.  I use it to
access the computers and servers on my network here at home.

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1, 2 W2's and other small kits

1 K144XV on order

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.swotrc.net

>I have used Digiport products in commercial applications and they work great.
>
>I haven't tried them for rig control.
>
>http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/portserverii.jsp#overview
>
>
>Glenn
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: RS232 port and Rig control

[Don Wilhelm]

Ken,

I believe you are being confused between hardware and software 
configurations.  See if this explanation helps.

One cannot arbitrarily connect serial ports using a Y cable.  The 
SteppIR can do that ONLY because it simply monitors the traffic for band 
change information, it never transmits commands.

MixW is a software application that can be configured to use a 
particular COM port, it is not a com port itself and the connection is a 
logical one, not a physical one.  The translation of the logical port to 
a physical (hardware port) is handled by the computer operating system.  
Your inclusion of the RigExpert muddies the waters a bit because things 
depend on just how the RigExpert is configured to pass the data (the 
audio lines do not count here, only the serial port part).  That is why 
I have not used any of the 'fancy' interface boxes that include both a 
soundcard and some sort of serial port 'pass-thru' because there are 
many things that interface can do on the serial connection.  I prefer to 
run audio from my soundcard directly to the K3 and run the serial port 
control inside the computer with applications that allow that to happen.

Normally only one device can make use of a hardware serial port at a 
time.  Look at it this way - you have only a single serial cable plugged 
into the K3.

Software programs like LP-bridge allow several applications to 'talk to' 
virtual serial ports (they exist only inside the computer, but are not 
real hardware ports) that in turn LP-Bridge translates to the real 
hardware serial port that is connected to the K3.

You may have to turn LP-bridge off and bypass the RigExpert to run 
K3Utility for firmware downloads - some users have said that they have 
used other functions of K3 Utility through LP-Bridge.

73,
Don W3FPR

Kenneth Waites wrote:
> How to connecct all I need to connect ot the RS232 port is perplexing to me.
>  
> I need it for:
> Stepir antenna tracking - on a y cable
> Rig Expert digital modes interface for MIXW - on a y cable
> K3 Utility interface (disconnect everything else)
> Rig Control Program/Logging program.  This leaves me bound to MIXW.
>  
> I use a Y cable to interface to Steppir and MIXW.  Putting more Y cables 
> creates a rats nest behind the K3, and there could be confilicts on a wire.
>  
> I feel kinda stuck.
>  
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

[David Gilbert]

The eBay seller is shown as WA9MVZ and QRZ.com says he is now KS9O, 
Frederick Glenn.  That sure sounds like it would be Glentek.

He sounds pretty busy, but I suspect that an email to him would get 
answers to any questions.

73,
Dave   AB7E



Ken Alexander wrote:
> There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is 
> selling them.  That's where I first noticed them, and thought it seemed like 
> a good idea to not require a computer.  I don't know if the seller is Glentek 
> or not.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/LAN-Internet-Remote-for-ICOM-Elecraft-KENWOOD-YAESU_W0QQitemZ250511870293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53abc955
>
> They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me.  
> Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough 
> about network communication to make the thing work.
>
> 73 - Ken
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jim Brown  wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Jim Brown 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
>> To: "Elecraft List" 
>> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:28 PM
>> The Glentek website needs some work.
>> It's harder than it should be to figure out what this stuff
>>
>> does and what it costs. 
>>
>> On the other hand, the B&B site lists another very
>> interesting Ethernet to RS232 product. Only $99, 
>> it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact
>> that it runs on 12VDC makes it easy to 
>> power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software
>> compatibility is listed for W2K, XP, and 
>> Vista. 
>>
>> http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf
>>
>> One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher
>> RF emissions). 
>>
>> There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably
>> nothing a wall wart for 240V and EU/UK plug).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jim K9YC
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Interesting.  I just found out about these the
>>>   
>> other day and was about to ask here about them.
>>
>> 
>>> http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=56
>>>   
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K2 old technology?

[Don Wilhelm]

Paul,

I do not believe Elecraft will discontinue the K2 nor its options for 
some long time to come.  Yes, the K2 is over 10 years old, but still 
going strong.  It is a 'mature' product, which means that there will not 
likely be additional updates for it down the road.  You can feel safe 
buying the basic K2 and adding options later.  These are not just my 
thoughts, they have been confirmed by Wayne and Eric publicly on this 
reflector.

A fully loaded K2 will give you most of the features that a basic K3 
offers although the K3 offers some nice 'extras' too, so ...
If your final goal is a fully loaded K2 (with all options including the 
KDSP2), then you will find the price is comparable with the K3 basic 
cost, but if you must do it incrementally due to budget constraints, 
then the K2 has a lower entry price.

The K2 is a great performing transceiver all by itself - and it is still 
not very far down the list on the Sherwood listings.

I am assuming that you will enjoy building the K2 from its discrete 
parts rather than plugging the boards together and assembling the 
hardware pieces - the latter is the assembly process for the K3 kit.  If 
the building process turns you off, then save up your ham budget dollars 
and go for the basic K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

Paul Huff wrote:
> I think that I have finally saved up enough money to purchase my long-desired 
> K2.  But there are two thoughts that cause me to hesitate:
>
> First, is the K2 "long in the tooth"?  Am I spending a significant amount of 
> money on technology that is on it's way to being obsolete?
>
> Second,  I will only be able to purchase a basic K2 and plan on adding the 
> extras to it over the next couple of years.  Will Elecraft still be offering 
> those products for that length of time?
>
> I guess that I will ask that 2nd question directly to Elecraft, but any 
> opinions 
> on the first question would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance and 73,
> Paul - N8XMS
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Re: [Elecraft] SoftRock Lite 6.2 for K3 Panadapter

[Don Wilhelm]

Julian,

If you can find the crystal and have a Softrock 6.2 board (or kit for 
any frequency), I have the toroid and other component data Tony provided 
with my kit that I can share with you - just let me know if you need it.

73,
Don W3FPR


Julian,

I got one of the last ones that Tony packaged for the K3 and he put a
32.7680 crystal in the kit.
I have not yet assembled it nor the Z1 buffer amp from Clifton Labs,
so I can't say how it works.

73,
Don W3FPR

Julian, G4ILO wrote:
> Can anyone advise me of the spec of the crystal needed to use a SoftRock 6.2
> Lite receiver on the IF output of the K3 as a panadapter? I'd be
> particularly interested to know where to purchase one in the UK.
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[Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3 + LP-PAN

[Kevin McGuirt]

For Sale:

Elecraft K3 with LP-PAN and EMU-0202.  Excellent condition/non-smoker.

K3 is equipped as follows:

K3 (S/N 11XX) with 100 watt PA
KTCXO3-1 TCXO 1 ppm
KXV3 IF option
2.8 khz 8 pole filter
LP-PAN
EMU-0202

$2,200.00 shipped via FedEx Ground conus.

Thanks & 73,

Kevin
W4KBM
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Memory Management

[w4grj]

As a very new (have not recieved yet) K3 owner, I am surprised the K3
memories cannot be managed from a computer, frankly had I known this I doubt
I would have spent $4,000 on this radio. Following is the reply I received
fron the author of N4PY control software


-Original Message-
From: N4PY2 [mailto:n4...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:18 PM
To: W4GRJ
Subject: Re: Elecraft K3 support

Jack,

The K3 does not support memory commands through the serial port.  That's why 
no program has this support for the K3.

73,

Carl Moreschi N4PY
121 Little Bell Drive
Hays, NC 28635
www.n4py.com


- Original Message - 
From: "W4GRJ" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Elecraft K3 support


>I am interested in your software however, after looking at the manual it is
> not clear to me if the software will let me define all the memory 
> locations
> then upload to the K3. Basically, I want to manage memory similar to how 
> Ham
> Radio Deluxe handles for Kenwood & Icom.
>
>
>
> It looks like it does everything else, just need to confirm memory
> management.
>
>
>
> Tnx,
>
> Jack
> W4GRJ
 

wayne burdick wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> We'll be adding this function to our "K3 Utility" program at some  
> point. We'd be happy to get your input on it.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:24 PM, w4grj wrote:
> 
>>
>> I am brand new K3 owner, unless I have missed something in all my  
>> research,
>> cannot find a program to manage memory via the PC. I surely hope I  
>> am wrong,
>> currently using a TS-480, the Kenwood utility is simple and does a  
>> great job
>> of running the radio via the PC including uploading & downloading  
>> memory
>> with associated parameters.
>>
>> Is there a similiar program available for the K3?
> 
> 
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