Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Release: APF for CW; Fast Monitor improved TX gate for voice modes

2010-11-04 Thread Jan Erik Holm
Yes APF came out reel good, very well done! Don´t even know if
it was this good on the FT-1000D, at least not on the units I
did own.

Now if only AM RX was to be fixed I would be happy, as it is
right now AM (not sync AM) RX is more or less useless. It got
broken in the DSP code way back. I have written about this
problem before and I´m not going to repeat myself any further.

/ Jim SM2EKM
-
On 2010-11-04 00:17, Bill [NS4C] wrote:

 I loaded the beta firmware so I could see what all the APF buzz was about.
 3D2A was spotted on 18070 so I turned the beam and he was there in and out
 of my noise level. I turned on the new APF function and peaked the CW
 signal. He was now 100% copy. Turned APF off and he was in and out of my
 noise level again. Now I understand how good of a tool APF is for weak
 signal CW. BTW The 3D2A is in my log.

 Many thanks Elecraft,

 73  Bill  NS4C

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 APF FINE Tuning

2010-11-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
This occurs in running in a contest, where you have positioned the
hard skirts of roofing and regular DSP, to keep out the strong
stations just above and just below.  A weak station down in the noise
calls you slightly up or down, but not out of your running passband.
If you tune the RX frequency up or down to bring him into a fixed
center passband APF, then you let one of the strong stations up or
down under the roofing filter and it will start pumping AGC and trash
the weak signal.  Tuning on the APF and tuning its obvious audio
center up or down, without moving the RX frequency, to the remembered
frequency of the weak signal, peaks him right up without letting the
up and down QRM under the roofing filter.  Also it is easier to
remember the audio tone of the weak signal if it fades and move the
APF peak, than tune the RX and hold the audio peak constant.  Unless
you know in your head that you have only tuned 70 Hz of the 110 off
frequency, and have a calibrated feel to the knob, you can't move the
RX and APF peak to where the station was when it sank under the noise.

73, Guy.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:
 I'm not clear on the value of changing the APF center frequency
 independently of the actual signal center frequency. If the other station
 drifts off-frequency, I just tune him back in with the RIT or, since I use
 SPLIT as my basic operating mode, with the VFO knob.

 In what circumstances if tuning the APF frequency useful?

 Ron

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
 Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:01 PM
 To: wb6r...@mac.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 APF FINE Tuning

 Yes, you can fine-tune (1 Hz) using either the VFO or RIT.

 In addition, it looks like the next release may provide 5-Hz
 increments for tuning the APF center frequency (presently 10). We're
 testing that now.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

 On Nov 3, 2010, at 6:30 PM, wb6r...@mac.com wrote:

 Elecraft continues to delight.

 FINE tuning ON can be very helpful on really really weak signals
 with the APF.



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[Elecraft] Wanted: Elecraft K3 filter KFL3A-400

2010-11-04 Thread spitze1

Hello!

I am looking for an used KFL3A-400 CW Filter.

If you have one for sale, pse Email me.

73s Alex NH7VW  
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[Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread Adriano Perazio
Hello elecrafters
 
Thinking about the 2m external transverter or the internal unit. Wich
one is better ? Worth ? Or maybe just another rig like 857 ?
 
Tnx
 
PY2ADR
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:54:06 -0200, Adriano Perazio
adriano.pera...@uol.com.br  wrote:


I have both and prefer the internal version.

Tom
Radio Amateur N5GE

Hello elecrafters
 
Thinking about the 2m external transverter or the internal unit. Wich
one is better ? Worth ? Or maybe just another rig like 857 ?
 
Tnx
 
PY2ADR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Hi Adriano,
I use the K144XV Internal unit and I reckon its a better buy than the external 
unit for a couple of reasons.
1: Convienience - No external cables to lose!
2: Coverage of the full 2m band versus only 2MHz coverage of the external unit.

The only down side is the lower output of the internal unit. (10Watts vs 
25Watts of the external transvertor)



Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Innisfail, QLD, Australia
Elecraft K3# 4257

  - Original Message - 
  From: Adriano Perazio 
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:54 PM
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit


  Hello elecrafters
   
  Thinking about the 2m external transverter or the internal unit. Wich
  one is better ? Worth ? Or maybe just another rig like 857 ?
   
  Tnx
   
  PY2ADR
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread Alexandr Kobranov
As I am now to decide to buy K144XV or stay with some external -  let 
me ask here:

What is thermal stability of internal 116/118MHz Xtal osc?
I mean some experience with JT data mode in EME or similar. Is there 
some drift on 144MHz signal (during longer TX period) and how much if any?

Thanks for any practical experience,

73!
Lexa, OK1DST
K3/100 #727


Dne 4.11.2010 10:38, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF napsal(a):
 Hi Adriano,
 I use the K144XV Internal unit and I reckon its a better buy than the 
 external unit for a couple of reasons.
 1: Convienience - No external cables to lose!
 2: Coverage of the full 2m band versus only 2MHz coverage of the external 
 unit.

 The only down side is the lower output of the internal unit. (10Watts vs 
 25Watts of the external transvertor)



 Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
 Innisfail, QLD, Australia
 Elecraft K3# 4257

- Original Message -
From: Adriano Perazio
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit


Hello elecrafters

Thinking about the 2m external transverter or the internal unit. Wich
one is better ? Worth ? Or maybe just another rig like 857 ?

Tnx

PY2ADR
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Hi Alexandr,
I have not noticed any drift at all with my K144XV with internal temperatures 
to +60 degrees C.
I must admit though at this stage I have not used it for digital modes, only 
SSB + FM.
No-one has ever commented about any drift on my signal.

Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Innisfail, QLD, Australia
Elecraft K3# 4257

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alexandr Kobranov 
  Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit


  As I am now to decide to buy K144XV or stay with some external -  let 
  me ask here:

  What is thermal stability of internal 116/118MHz Xtal osc?
  I mean some experience with JT data mode in EME or similar. Is there 
  some drift on 144MHz signal (during longer TX period) and how much if any?

  Thanks for any practical experience,

  73!
  Lexa, OK1DST
  K3/100 #727


  Dne 4.11.2010 10:38, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF napsal(a):
   Hi Adriano,
   I use the K144XV Internal unit and I reckon its a better buy than the 
external unit for a couple of reasons.
   1: Convienience - No external cables to lose!
   2: Coverage of the full 2m band versus only 2MHz coverage of the external 
unit.
  
   The only down side is the lower output of the internal unit. (10Watts vs 
25Watts of the external transvertor)
  
  
  
   Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
   Innisfail, QLD, Australia
   Elecraft K3# 4257
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Adriano Perazio
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:54 PM
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit
  
  
  Hello elecrafters
  
  Thinking about the 2m external transverter or the internal unit. Wich
  one is better ? Worth ? Or maybe just another rig like 857 ?
  
  Tnx
  
  PY2ADR
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[Elecraft] (K3) Menu Documentation Request

2010-11-04 Thread Bill McDowell

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread David Pratt
Adriana  Lexa -
I have both the external XV144 and the internal K144XV.  While they both 
have their advantages and disadvantages it all depends on what you want 
to use them for.

For frequency stability the XV144 (with crystal oven) is far superior 
although Elecraft are currently doing some work towards reducing the 
drift in the K144XV. The internal transverter is fine for FM but I am 
finding the frequency drift of mine is unacceptable for CW or SSB unless 
your overs are very short.

I understand that Elecraft are planning to provide a facility to lock 
the oscillator of the K144XV to that of the K3 which will cure the drift 
problem.

To sum up, as things are at present, it's the XV144 for performance but 
the K144XV for convenience.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Alexandr Kobranov kobra...@amoscz.cz writes

As I am now to decide to buy K144XV or stay with some external -  let
me ask here:

What is thermal stability of internal 116/118MHz Xtal osc?
I mean some experience with JT data mode in EME or similar. Is there
some drift on 144MHz signal (during longer TX period) and how much if any?

Thanks for any practical experience,



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[Elecraft] (K3) Menu Documentation Request

2010-11-04 Thread Bill McDowell
This is a suggestion the Menu pages (currently 52-63) of the K3 manual be made 
available separately on the Elecraft Homepage in the Manuals and Downloads 
section.

The newly added items to the Menu could be kept up-to-date in PDF format, and 
one could easily print them for reference.

This would not eliminate the need for Firmware Release Notes in any way, where 
more information about a given change is described.

If others would find this useful, perhaps Wayne and Eric could find the time to 
make it so.

73
Bill, K4CIA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread Alexandr Kobranov
Thanks David,

it is as I suppose to be - I will wait for PLL add-on to K144XV for my 
purposes, no problem as I have stable external now (home made with 
DB6NT heater on Xtal).

Thanks for your report,

Lexa, OK1DST


Dne 4.11.2010 11:27, David Pratt napsal(a):
 Adriana  Lexa -
 I have both the external XV144 and the internal K144XV. While they
 both have their advantages and disadvantages it all depends on what
 you want to use them for.

 For frequency stability the XV144 (with crystal oven) is far superior
 although Elecraft are currently doing some work towards reducing the
 drift in the K144XV. The internal transverter is fine for FM but I am
 finding the frequency drift of mine is unacceptable for CW or SSB
 unless your overs are very short.

 I understand that Elecraft are planning to provide a facility to lock
 the oscillator of the K144XV to that of the K3 which will cure the
 drift problem.

 To sum up, as things are at present, it's the XV144 for performance
 but the K144XV for convenience.

 73 de David G4DMP

 In a recent message, Alexandr Kobranov kobra...@amoscz.cz writes

 As I am now to decide to buy K144XV or stay with some external - let
 me ask here:

 What is thermal stability of internal 116/118MHz Xtal osc?
 I mean some experience with JT data mode in EME or similar. Is there
 some drift on 144MHz signal (during longer TX period) and how much
 if any?

 Thanks for any practical experience,



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Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Menu Documentation Request

2010-11-04 Thread Stewart
I think this a good idea as I am totally losing the plot with all of the 
excellent F/W improvements  (and how to use them)
that are being made to the K3 on a regular basis.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:31:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Bill McDowell wrote:
 This is a suggestion the Menu pages (currently 52-63) of the K3 manual be 
 made available separately on the Elecraft Homepage in the Manuals and 
 Downloads section.

 The newly added items to the Menu could be kept up-to-date in PDF format, and 
 one could easily print them for reference.

 This would not eliminate the need for Firmware Release Notes in any way, 
 where more information about a given change is described.

 If others would find this useful, perhaps Wayne and Eric could find the time 
 to make it so.

 73
 Bill, K4CIA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Release: APF for CW/Noise Gate

2010-11-04 Thread juergen
Hi Jan


I agree. The K3's APF just blows away the APF on both  the IC7600 and IC7700. 
The K3s APF is in a league of its own.  

I cant stand using my FT1000D anymore with all its peak clipping and IMD on 
audio peaks. The might dog is  fast becoming a real boat anchor, but sometimes 
I need 200 Watts of drive sometimes!

One  other thing is the noise gate. Its now perfect with no artifacts at all. 
You dont even know that its on with heavy processing and gating. The raspy 
crackly sound is gone. Even with the gating set on  max its operation is 
perfect.  



73
John



--- On Wed, 11/3/10, Jan Erik Holm sm2...@telia.com wrote:

 From: Jan Erik Holm sm2...@telia.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Release: APF for CW; Fast Monitor  
 improved TX gate for voice modes
 To: 
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 11:10 PM
 Yes APF came out reel good, very well
 done! Don´t even know if
 it was this good on the FT-1000D, at least not on the units
 I
 did own.
 
 Now if only AM RX was to be fixed I would be happy, as it
 is
 right now AM (not sync AM) RX is more or less useless. It
 got
 broken in the DSP code way back. I have written about
 this
 problem before and I´m not going to repeat myself any
 further.
 
 / Jim SM2EKM
 -
 On 2010-11-04 00:17, Bill [NS4C] wrote:
 
  I loaded the beta firmware so I could see what all the
 APF buzz was about.
  3D2A was spotted on 18070 so I turned the beam and he
 was there in and out
  of my noise level. I turned on the new APF function
 and peaked the CW
  signal. He was now 100% copy. Turned APF off and he
 was in and out of my
  noise level again. Now I understand how good of a tool
 APF is for weak
  signal CW. BTW The 3D2A is in my log.
 
  Many thanks Elecraft,
 
  73  Bill  NS4C
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Release: APF for CW/Noise Gate

2010-11-04 Thread Paul Christensen
 I agree. The K3's APF just blows away the APF on both  the IC7600 and 
 IC7700. The K3s APF is in a league of its own.
Icom doesn't use a peaking filter.  Their implementation of APF is really an 
Audio Passband filter, rather than an Audio Peaking Filter.   When 
engaged, their APF filter skirt is really no different than selecting a 
narrow DSP setting where there's a flat top and sharp skirts.  The response 
curve does not resemble that of an audio peaking filter.  I found the APF to 
be of limited value on the 7800 and 7700 transceivers.

Paul, W9AC 

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[Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster ALS 1300

2010-11-04 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Hello,

 

I have my K3 ACC connected to a Bandecoder (Arraysolutions Bandmaster) that
change bands in the SixPack automatically.

 

Now I want to connect a ALS 1300 Amplifier with the optional ARI-500 radio
interface. And I need to connect it to the ACC of the K3 also!...

 

So how can I do to have Bandecoder and ALS1300 both connected to the K3 so
when I change bands in the K3, automatically change bands in the ALS1300 and
select the right antenna in the sixpack?

 

Thanks,

Jorge

CX6VM/CW5W

K3#4077

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Re: [Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster ALS 1300

2010-11-04 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
...So how can I have Bandecoder and ALS1300 both connected to the K3 so
when I change bands in the K3, automatically change bands in the ALS1300 and
select the right antenna in the sixpack?...

You just need a DB15HD Y-adapter cable so the K3 band data feeds both the 
BandMaster and ARI-500 simultaneously.  I've done this with a BandMaster and 
ARI-500 connected to an ALS-600 amplifier.

Phil - AD5X 

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Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Menu Documentation Request

2010-11-04 Thread Mike K2MK

Hi Bill,

That's an excellent request. Then you could do a search within this small
PDF for short phrases. Now if you search the entire manual for a single word
you get many hits until you finally reach page 52.

73,
Mike K2MK



William G. McDowell wrote:
 
 This is a suggestion the Menu pages (currently 52-63) of the K3 manual be
 made available separately on the Elecraft Homepage in the Manuals and
 Downloads section.
 
 The newly added items to the Menu could be kept up-to-date in PDF format,
 and one could easily print them for reference.
 
 This would not eliminate the need for Firmware Release Notes in any way,
 where more information about a given change is described.
 
 If others would find this useful, perhaps Wayne and Eric could find the
 time to make it so.
 
 73
 Bill, K4CIA
 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Question about tuning K2 for SSB..

2010-11-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
  John,

A 20 Hz mis-tuning of a SSB signal usually will not be noticed, 50 Hz 
maybe, and 100 Hz definitely.

So yes, you would normally tune the station until it 'sounds right' and 
then transmit.  That assumes that you are using the same filter for 
transmit and receive.

You can make some trials with tests made with another ham who knows how 
you should sound.
Move the filter passband up or down in 25 Hz increments to see if you 
have achieved a more suitable position for your voice.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/3/2010 10:20 PM, VK7JB wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm learning to drive my new K2/100 and have reached a conceptual block that
 will betray a fundamental lack of understanding, but here goes anyway...

 My K2 dial frequency reads about 20hz under the actual frequency - receiving
 WWV on 1.00, the LCD frequency readout reads .98.  That's all good.
 But,  when I'm working SSB and want to make contact with a station already
 transmitting on a particular frequency, how do I handle the tuning to ensure
 I'm transmitting on his frequency exactly.  Do I tune my K2 to achieve best
 resolved  audio receiving his signal, regardless of the actual frequency
 displayed on my LCD,  then assume when I hit TX I'll be transmitting exactly
 on his frequency?  Or is there any other way to account for this small 20hz
 shift, to make sure I'm transmitting exactly where he is tuned?

 I'm running my K2 with the MH-2 mic and last night got reports of muffled
 audio.  I suspect I'll need to tweak the SSB filter passband position- the
 position looks good on Spectrogram with the low frequency roll off for the
 SSB Tx filter sitting around 300hz, but I understand it may need some
 optimising with  live audio monitoring.  I did wonder  if my tuning
 technique was contributing to the problem - perhaps I'm not transmitting
 exactly where they're listening.

 I hope that makes sense.  Any advice always gratefully received,

 73,
 John
 VK7JB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster ALS 1300

2010-11-04 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Thanks Phil,

I doubt this will work, but seems is easy.

My local store have this Y adapter, I don´t know if it´s exactly a DB15HD
model, but hopefully any DB15 Y will work.

Thanks!
Jorge
CX6VM


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Phil  Debbie Salas
Enviado el: Jueves, 04 de Noviembre de 2010 09:23 a.m.
Para: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster  ALS 1300

...So how can I have Bandecoder and ALS1300 both connected to the K3 so
when I change bands in the K3, automatically change bands in the ALS1300 and
select the right antenna in the sixpack?...

You just need a DB15HD Y-adapter cable so the K3 band data feeds both the 
BandMaster and ARI-500 simultaneously.  I've done this with a BandMaster and

ARI-500 connected to an ALS-600 amplifier.

Phil - AD5X 

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[Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread JAMES ROGERS
Well, I just wasn't sure I would use it, I had such good results with  
just the DUAL PB function. So I sought out the weakest signal I could  
find this morning, R5ZZ, who was not copiable here, but I could hear  
some Ws working him. I dialed in the APF and there he was, and  
copiable. So mea culpa. I am now a convert. Old Dogs can learn new  
tricks.

73s Jim, W4ATK
JIM ROGERS
w4...@bellsouth.net
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Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread Wes Stewart
To this old dog's ears there is way too much ringing.

Even in my EME days I never felt the need for these super narrow filters.  I 
used a passive 200 Hz wide filter centered on 600 Hz.  A few hours of listening 
to noise in a too-narrow filter and you start hearing things that aren't there, 
especially with some distortion thrown in, and ringing is distortion.  

Today I prefer a lower beat note (~450 Hz) and a couple of hundred Hz BW is 
fine most of the time.

Wes

--- On Thu, 11/4/10, JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Well, I just wasn't sure I would use it, I had such good results with  
just the DUAL PB function. So I sought out the weakest signal I could  
find this morning, R5ZZ, who was not copiable here, but I could hear  
some Ws working him. I dialed in the APF and there he was, and  
copiable. So mea culpa. I am now a convert. Old Dogs can learn new  
tricks.

73s Jim, W4ATK
JIM ROGERS
w4...@bellsouth.net
http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk





  
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Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread Jim Cox
I agree Wes, way too much ringing for my taste.   I have never cared for the 
ultra narrow filters myself.
I listened using the APF on 80 cw last evening, works well but the 
distortion certainly hurts the copy.

Jim K4JAF


- Original Message - 
From: Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; JAMES ROGERS 
w4...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack


To this old dog's ears there is way too much ringing.

Even in my EME days I never felt the need for these super narrow filters. I 
used a passive 200 Hz wide filter centered on 600 Hz. A few hours of 
listening to noise in a too-narrow filter and you start hearing things that 
aren't there, especially with some distortion thrown in, and ringing is 
distortion.

Today I prefer a lower beat note (~450 Hz) and a couple of hundred Hz BW is 
fine most of the time.

Wes

--- On Thu, 11/4/10, JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Well, I just wasn't sure I would use it, I had such good results with
just the DUAL PB function. So I sought out the weakest signal I could
find this morning, R5ZZ, who was not copiable here, but I could hear
some Ws working him. I dialed in the APF and there he was, and
copiable. So mea culpa. I am now a convert. Old Dogs can learn new
tricks.

73s Jim, W4ATK
JIM ROGERS
w4...@bellsouth.net
http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk






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Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread Greg - AB7R
I don't see this as something that would be left on ALL the time.  Only used as 
needed.  It does help make an 
otherwise unworkable station readable for a contact.  Just another tool in the 
box.  When you don't need it, turn it off.  I have not tried this yet 
but you can probably turn it off with a CAT command in the appropriate logger 
macro in the same way you CLEAR RIT.  Then just turn it on as needed.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Nov  4  8:07 , Jim Cox  sent:

I agree Wes, way too much ringing for my taste.   I have never cared for the 
ultra narrow filters myself.
I listened using the APF on 80 cw last evening, works well but the 
distortion certainly hurts the copy.

Jim K4JAF


- Original Message - 
From: Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; JAMES ROGERS 
w4...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack


To this old dog's ears there is way too much ringing.

Even in my EME days I never felt the need for these super narrow filters. I 
used a passive 200 Hz wide filter centered on 600 Hz. A few hours of 
listening to noise in a too-narrow filter and you start hearing things that 
aren't there, especially with some distortion thrown in, and ringing is 
distortion.

Today I prefer a lower beat note (~450 Hz) and a couple of hundred Hz BW is 
fine most of the time.

Wes

--- On Thu, 11/4/10, JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Well, I just wasn't sure I would use it, I had such good results with
just the DUAL PB function. So I sought out the weakest signal I could
find this morning, R5ZZ, who was not copiable here, but I could hear
some Ws working him. I dialed in the APF and there he was, and
copiable. So mea culpa. I am now a convert. Old Dogs can learn new
tricks.

73s Jim, W4ATK
JIM ROGERS
w4...@bellsouth.net
http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk






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Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread drewko
There was a suggestion posted within the last few days to reduce the
ring by adjusting the APF SHIFT along with RIT by 20 Hz. This might
make a nice one--push macro but I don't think there is a APF SHIFT
command available yet (The IF SHIFT command does not work in APF.)

Also, for for those who  want less ringing you can try a wider WIDTH.
If your CW bandwidth is typically set at 500 Hz or less try opeining
the WIDTH to 1-2 KHz when using APF, if the conditions permit.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 11:32:53 -0400, Greg - AB7R wrote:

I don't see this as something that would be left on ALL the time.  Only used 
as needed.  It does help make an 
otherwise unworkable station readable for a contact.  Just another tool in the 
box.  When you don't need it, turn it off.  I have not tried this yet 
but you can probably turn it off with a CAT command in the appropriate logger 
macro in the same way you CLEAR RIT.  Then just turn it on as needed.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


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[Elecraft] [K2] Filters attenuation

2010-11-04 Thread ok1rp

Hi,

I would like to ask for help. My K2 #4800 works fine but I realized the
narrower filters have attenuation. I pre-set FL1200Hz, FL2400Hz and
FL3700Hz but with FL1 I recognised too much attenuation which degrading the
reception of weaks sigs. Is there something which I am doing wrong please?

73 - Petr, OK1RP
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Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Harmon


For this old dog it is great !   
I very much like the peak, works very well at pulling the weak signal up 
for much better copy.   Congratulations Elecraft this is a super tool for CW !


Now the bad news.
My Yaesu FT1000 was switched in when needed on CW receive just for the APF to 
pull 
a borderline CW signal up out of the mud.   Looks like he will not be needed
anymore.  You have been a great radio FT1000  (sniff, sniff )  


73,
Bob
K6UJ





On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:

 To this old dog's ears there is way too much ringing.
 
 Even in my EME days I never felt the need for these super narrow filters.  I 
 used a passive 200 Hz wide filter centered on 600 Hz.  A few hours of 
 listening to noise in a too-narrow filter and you start hearing things that 
 aren't there, especially with some distortion thrown in, and ringing is 
 distortion.  
 
 Today I prefer a lower beat note (~450 Hz) and a couple of hundred Hz BW is 
 fine most of the time.
 
 Wes
 
 --- On Thu, 11/4/10, JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Well, I just wasn't sure I would use it, I had such good results with  
 just the DUAL PB function. So I sought out the weakest signal I could  
 find this morning, R5ZZ, who was not copiable here, but I could hear  
 some Ws working him. I dialed in the APF and there he was, and  
 copiable. So mea culpa. I am now a convert. Old Dogs can learn new  
 tricks.
 
 73s Jim, W4ATK
 JIM ROGERS
 w4...@bellsouth.net
 http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO
This method does diminish the ringing -- offsetting the APF peak using SHIFT 
and the receive frequency using RIT. 20 Hz seems to be about right, too. The 
bad ringing only occurs when the peak frequency and the center of the 
passband coincide exactly. I had a lot of fun this morning, right after 
installing the new firmware, listening in on a guy in 9-land running JAs on 
40 CW, tuning in the weaker JAs with the APF shift inside the 200 Hz IF 
passband. Really cool. Being able to tune the peak in 5-Hz increments will 
be especially cool, so I'm looking forward to the next update.

Whether you respond positively or negatively to the characteristics of a 
narrow passband seems to be a very individual thing. I've even heard guys 
say they prefer to copy CW in a wide-open SSB width passband, filtering out 
QRM only with their wetware. Been there, done that. I cut my eye-teeth as 
a Novice in the early 1960s doing this because I didn't have any other 
choice; my cheap-o NC-60 receiver didn't have any selectivity to speak of. 
But I began to appreciate selectivity as soon as I started experiencing it, 
and since then, it's been the more the better. I love the new APF! It 
reminds me of how the peak function in the old Heathkit QF-1 Q-Multiplier 
used to work and sound, except it's even better.

Bill W5WVO


-Original Message- 
From: drewko
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 16:10
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

There was a suggestion posted within the last few days to reduce the
ring by adjusting the APF SHIFT along with RIT by 20 Hz. This might
make a nice one--push macro but I don't think there is a APF SHIFT
command available yet (The IF SHIFT command does not work in APF.)

Also, for for those who  want less ringing you can try a wider WIDTH.
If your CW bandwidth is typically set at 500 Hz or less try opeining
the WIDTH to 1-2 KHz when using APF, if the conditions permit.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 11:32:53 -0400, Greg - AB7R wrote:

I don't see this as something that would be left on ALL the time.  Only 
used as needed.  It does help make an
otherwise unworkable station readable for a contact.  Just another tool in 
the box.  When you don't need it, turn it off.  I have not tried this yet
but you can probably turn it off with a CAT command in the appropriate 
logger macro in the same way you CLEAR RIT.  Then just turn it on as 
needed.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


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[Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
I updated my K3 to MCU 4.17 beta last night along with DSP 2.65 and FPU
1.4(?) and now today I notice that my SSB output is down about 3 dB.  I
can only coax about 50 Watts peak out of it and I've made no changes to
microphone, TX EQ, Mic Gain, Compression, or output power (set to 100 W).  
CONFIG:TXG VCE is set to 1.0 dB as before.

On CW I get a full 100 Watts peak.

Anyone else seeing this?

73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
Additional testing shows that when I set my power down to 5 Watts and
then back up to 100 Watts results in a max peak output of 50 Watts on 
SSB on both an external and the K3's Wattmeter.  Setting the mode to CW
results in 100 Watts output and reverting back to SSB I can get about 75
Watts peak on both meters.

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Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Harmon
Greg,

I agree 100%   It is a tool and is there for the specific use of pulling a weak 
CW signal up out of the mud 
so you can copy him.  Turn on when needed.  The Yaesu FT1000's, early issues, 
had great APF 
and had a little ringing but they worked very well, the little ringing goes 
with the territory with the sharp 
peaking.  You didn't leave them on all the time, really worked well when 
needed.   Then Yaesu responded
to the issue of the ringing and in later versions the ringing was gone but the 
peaking was reduced and APF wasn't 
very effective.  Then.  mods came out to restore the previous 
peaking effectiveness, (and slight ringing) hi,hi.
I don't know how to best describe it but it is a sharp  CW listening 
experience.
There are other tools on the K3, narrow filters, etc that we use for improved 
copy on CW signals and the APF
is another for really digging in (when needed)

Bob
K6UJ




On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Greg - AB7R wrote:

 I don't see this as something that would be left on ALL the time.  Only used 
 as needed.  It does help make an 
 otherwise unworkable station readable for a contact.  Just another tool in 
 the box.  When you don't need it, turn it off.  I have not tried this yet 
 but you can probably turn it off with a CAT command in the appropriate logger 
 macro in the same way you CLEAR RIT.  Then just turn it on as needed.
 
 -
 73,
 Greg - AB7R
 Whidbey Island WA
 NA-065
 
 
 On Thu Nov  4  8:07 , Jim Cox  sent:
 
 I agree Wes, way too much ringing for my taste.   I have never cared for the 
 ultra narrow filters myself.
 I listened using the APF on 80 cw last evening, works well but the 
 distortion certainly hurts the copy.
 
 Jim K4JAF
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; JAMES ROGERS 
 w4...@bellsouth.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] APF Results at an Old Timer's shack
 
 
 To this old dog's ears there is way too much ringing.
 
 Even in my EME days I never felt the need for these super narrow filters. I 
 used a passive 200 Hz wide filter centered on 600 Hz. A few hours of 
 listening to noise in a too-narrow filter and you start hearing things that 
 aren't there, especially with some distortion thrown in, and ringing is 
 distortion.
 
 Today I prefer a lower beat note (~450 Hz) and a couple of hundred Hz BW is 
 fine most of the time.
 
 Wes
 
 --- On Thu, 11/4/10, JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Well, I just wasn't sure I would use it, I had such good results with
 just the DUAL PB function. So I sought out the weakest signal I could
 find this morning, R5ZZ, who was not copiable here, but I could hear
 some Ws working him. I dialed in the APF and there he was, and
 copiable. So mea culpa. I am now a convert. Old Dogs can learn new
 tricks.
 
 73s Jim, W4ATK
 JIM ROGERS
 w4...@bellsouth.net
 http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] Firmware load

2010-11-04 Thread Jim Bobo
Power failure in middle of firmware load and now cannot connect with K3. 
Anyone know how to get started again?

Jim, W5ODD
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[Elecraft] APF Macros

2010-11-04 Thread Chuck Guenther
I received some helpful suggestions from The Smiths regarding APF,
specifically using RIT to shift the received signal down 20 Hz or so and 
using
APF Shift to peak the signal.  The purpose is to make the tone of the
received signal 20 Hz lower than the faint ringing noise induced by APF.

This seems to work pretty well, and I used the technique to copy some
weak signals on Top Band last night.

Since the technique requires a bit of knob fiddling, I decided to try to
incorporate these steps into a K3 Macro.  So far, I've been able to put
all the steps except the APF Shift into a Macro. I tried using the IS
command to do APF shift (after turning on the APF); however the
command continues to shift the IF rather than the APF. \

Is there a special command available yet for APF shift, or is this too
soon to have something because APF is still in Beta testing?

Here's what I have so far:

APF SHFT
 IS ;SWH29;RT1;RD;RD;SWT49;

IS  centers IF shift to cw pitch; SWH29 turns on the APF;
RT1 turns on the RIT; the RD commands move RIT down 20 Hz,
assuming the user has the normal 10 Hz tuning steps setup; and
SWT49 engages FINE tuning.

To undo all this I have:

APF CLR
 SWH29;SWT49;RU;RU;RT0;IS ;

I'm open to suggestions for improvement.

73,
Chuck Guenther  NI0C
K3 s/n 1061



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread k2qi . nyc
Nate, have you tried reloading the firmware? I'd give that a shot first. If 
that doesn't help, revert to the previous version and test again. 

In my case, latest beta firmware installed with no issues to report.

73 de James K2QI
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Sent: Nov 4, 2010 13:32

Additional testing shows that when I set my power down to 5 Watts and
then back up to 100 Watts results in a max peak output of 50 Watts on 
SSB on both an external and the K3's Wattmeter.  Setting the mode to CW
results in 100 Watts output and reverting back to SSB I can get about 75
Watts peak on both meters.

73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load

2010-11-04 Thread k2qi . nyc
Turn off rig and close the K3 utility. Then try it again.

James K2QI
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Power failure in middle of firmware load and now cannot connect with K3. 
Anyone know how to get started again?

Jim, W5ODD
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Filters attenuation

2010-11-04 Thread dave
I dunno about the loss you are seeing but I've measured about 8 dB of 
loss in my K2 at 200 Hz vs 1 kHz BW. That does strike me a quite a bit 
of loss. I just don't use the narrow filters often. I know of at least 
one other K2 that has similar loss. Anyone else?


73 de dave
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On 11/4/10 11:48 AM, ok1rp wrote:

 Hi,

 I would like to ask for help. My K2 #4800 works fine but I realized the
 narrower filters have attenuation. I pre-set FL1200Hz, FL2400Hz and
 FL3700Hz but with FL1 I recognised too much attenuation which degrading the
 reception of weaks sigs. Is there something which I am doing wrong please?

 73 - Petr, OK1RP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread JAMES ROGERS
In a word, yes


Jim, W4ATK

On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

 I updated my K3 to MCU 4.17 beta last night along with DSP 2.65 and  
 FPU
 1.4(?) and now today I notice that my SSB output is down about 3  
 dB.  I
 can only coax about 50 Watts peak out of it and I've made no changes  
 to
 microphone, TX EQ, Mic Gain, Compression, or output power (set to  
 100 W).
 CONFIG:TXG VCE is set to 1.0 dB as before.

 On CW I get a full 100 Watts peak.

 Anyone else seeing this?

 73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread JAMES ROGERS
I went through the CONFIG menus to see what might have changed while  
in SSB. I found DUAL PB had APF on.  I was unable to turn it off while  
in SSB, so went back to CW mode turned the APF off (nor) and returned  
to SSB and all was normal. Full output.

I have confirmed you can only turn APF on/off while in CW mode.
It would then seem that APF should be turned off automatically when in  
any mode other than CW.

JIM ROGERS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread nr4c
I'm new to all this.  I noticed a lower output last night as well,  
after the ...17 load.  Should we do a calibration and configuration  
after a FW update?  Time to get out the SG2 again?

...bc

BTW: the APF looks real cool.  I'm not a CW operator, but this makes  
me drool a little bit.


..nr4c
Quoting JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net:

 In a word, yes


 Jim, W4ATK

 On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

 I updated my K3 to MCU 4.17 beta last night along with DSP 2.65 and
 FPU
 1.4(?) and now today I notice that my SSB output is down about 3
 dB.  I
 can only coax about 50 Watts peak out of it and I've made no changes
 to
 microphone, TX EQ, Mic Gain, Compression, or output power (set to
 100 W).
 CONFIG:TXG VCE is set to 1.0 dB as before.

 On CW I get a full 100 Watts peak.

 Anyone else seeing this?

 73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Stephen Prior
I don't have any lack of ssb power output here after the new download with
APF enabled in config.

IO have to say I think the new APF is very good indeed.  Running 4.17 on the
K3 and 00.41 on the P3.

73 Stephen G4SJP


On 04/11/2010 18:56, n...@widomaker.com n...@widomaker.com wrote:

 
 I'm new to all this.  I noticed a lower output last night as well,
 after the ...17 load.  Should we do a calibration and configuration
 after a FW update?  Time to get out the SG2 again?
 
 ...bc
 
 BTW: the APF looks real cool.  I'm not a CW operator, but this makes
 me drool a little bit.
 
 
 ..nr4c
 Quoting JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net:
 
 In a word, yes
 
 
 Jim, W4ATK
 
 On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
 
 I updated my K3 to MCU 4.17 beta last night along with DSP 2.65 and
 FPU
 1.4(?) and now today I notice that my SSB output is down about 3
 dB.  I
 can only coax about 50 Watts peak out of it and I've made no changes
 to
 microphone, TX EQ, Mic Gain, Compression, or output power (set to
 100 W).
 CONFIG:TXG VCE is set to 1.0 dB as before.
 
 On CW I get a full 100 Watts peak.
 
 Anyone else seeing this?
 
 73, de Nate 
 
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[Elecraft] XV-144 Stability

2010-11-04 Thread Eric
I use an xv-144 for jt65 eme. It will drift slightly for about 20 minutes after 
power up, even with the xtal oven.  However, i have mine strapped so the 
oscillator and oven are only running when it is turned on.  After warmup it is 
rock solid--no drift.  

73

Eric WD6DBM

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Re: [Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster ALS 1300

2010-11-04 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
...My local store have this Y adapter, I don´t know if it´s exactly a 
DB15HD
model, but hopefully any DB15 Y will work...

Many DB15HD Y-cables don't have all the pins connected straight thru, and 
may even short some of the wires to each other and to ground.  Make sure you 
check each individual wire in the Y-adapter.

Phil - AD5X 

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[Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Greg Buhyoff
Power fine here with 4.17.  Get full 100W PEP out on both CW and SSB and the
drive power that I normally use for my amp is as accurate as it always was.
Checked two K3s with an Alpha 4510, an LP-100A and an Array Solutions
PowerMaster.  I don't see anything different at all regarding power
calibration (what it should be putting out versus what it atually is) or
PEP  out on two K3s and checked with three different meters.

Greg K2UM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster ALS 1300

2010-11-04 Thread Greg - AB7R
Winford Engineering has them.  Though it is not showing on their website.

If you go to an empty shopping cart and enter CDY15HDMFF-1 it will show up.  
They're $15.  Male on one side and two females on the other.  They stock these 
almost exclusively for K3 owners.  :)

www.winfordeng.com

(I have nothing to do with them...they just often have what I need.)  :)


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Nov  4 12:18 , Phil  Debbie Salas  sent:

...My local store have this Y adapter, I don´t know if it´s exactly a 
DB15HD
model, but hopefully any DB15 Y will work...

Many DB15HD Y-cables don't have all the pins connected straight thru, and 
may even short some of the wires to each other and to ground.  Make sure you 
check each individual wire in the Y-adapter.

Phil - AD5X 

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Re: [Elecraft] XV-144 Stability

2010-11-04 Thread David Pratt
Yes, Eric, like you I usually switch on my XV144 for about 20 minutes 
before I intend to use it to allow the crystal oven to get up to 
temperature. Then, it is nice and stable.  I did have the Mitsubishi PA 
module fail on me and had to replace it. I have also fitted an internal 
fan similar to that used in the XV432.  Since then, no problems.  In 
contrast, my internal K144XV drifts almost 100Hz in five minutes, even 
after allowing 30 minutes to 'warm up'.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Eric gliderboy1...@yahoo.com writes

I use an xv-144 for jt65 eme. It will drift slightly for about 20 
minutes after power up, even with the xtal oven.  However, i have mine 
strapped so the oscillator and oven are only running when it is turned 
on.  After warmup it is rock solid--no drift.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2010 04 Nov 14:06 -0500, Stephen Prior wrote:
 I don't have any lack of ssb power output here after the new download with
 APF enabled in config.

Interesting.  Thanks to Jim for finding that setting Dual PB to Nor will
correct this.  Hopefully, Wayne is reading this thread.  :-)

 IO have to say I think the new APF is very good indeed.  Running 4.17 on the
 K3 and 00.41 on the P3.

I agree.  I think it's a worthwhile addition even with this small bug.

73, de Nate 

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[Elecraft] K3 APF and DUAL PB switch: No impact on RTTY mode DUAL PB

2010-11-04 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi all,

There's a bit of confusion on this point. The DUAL PB switch still  
functions exactly the same as it always did when in RTTY mode. The new  
CONFIG:DUAL PB menu entry (to select NOR or APF) applies *only* to CW  
mode.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I am unable to duplicate your conditions, I am only able to get APF on
in CW mode.  Wonder if this would be something where a previously
uncontrolled memory bit is in an undetermined state, leaving a strange
remembered condition when those bits are used for the first time?

73, Guy.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:50 PM, JAMES ROGERS w4...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I went through the CONFIG menus to see what might have changed while
 in SSB. I found DUAL PB had APF on.  I was unable to turn it off while
 in SSB, so went back to CW mode turned the APF off (nor) and returned
 to SSB and all was normal. Full output.

 I have confirmed you can only turn APF on/off while in CW mode.
 It would then seem that APF should be turned off automatically when in
 any mode other than CW.

 JIM ROGERS
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Filters attenuation

2010-11-04 Thread Petr Ourednik
Dave,

yes I am confirming  it is the attenuation which I am talking about...
When I am decreasing BW from 1.5k to 700Hz there is not noticeable att
(which means it's aprox. less then 3dB) but by going to 400Hz or even to
200Hz I hear big att which can be like You said 8dB or so.

Anybody else has similar experiences pls?

73 - Petr, OK1RP

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:12:46 -0500, dave ho13d...@gmail.com said:
 I dunno about the loss you are seeing but I've measured about 8 dB of 
 loss in my K2 at 200 Hz vs 1 kHz BW. That does strike me a quite a bit 
 of loss. I just don't use the narrow filters often. I know of at least 
 one other K2 that has similar loss. Anyone else?
 
 
 73 de dave
 ab9ca/4
 
 
 
 
 
 On 11/4/10 11:48 AM, ok1rp wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I would like to ask for help. My K2 #4800 works fine but I realized the
  narrower filters have attenuation. I pre-set FL1200Hz, FL2400Hz and
  FL3700Hz but with FL1 I recognised too much attenuation which degrading the
  reception of weaks sigs. Is there something which I am doing wrong please?
 
  73 - Petr, OK1RP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster ALS 1300

2010-11-04 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Thanks Greg, Phil and others for the nice help...

I just bought a Manhattan Y adapter HD15M to 2xHD15F. I tested it and it
have all 15 pins availables.

Next weekend will be in the station to test it.

Thanks!

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

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De: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Greg - AB7R
Enviado el: Jueves, 04 de Noviembre de 2010 05:52 p.m.
Para: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; 'Phil  Debbie Salas'
Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3, Bandmaster  ALS 1300

Winford Engineering has them.  Though it is not showing on their website.

If you go to an empty shopping cart and enter CDY15HDMFF-1 it will show up.

They're $15.  Male on one side and two females on the other.  They stock
these 
almost exclusively for K3 owners.  :)

www.winfordeng.com

(I have nothing to do with them...they just often have what I need.)  :)


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Nov  4 12:18 , Phil  Debbie Salas  sent:

...My local store have this Y adapter, I don´t know if it´s exactly a 
DB15HD
model, but hopefully any DB15 Y will work...

Many DB15HD Y-cables don't have all the pins connected straight thru, and 
may even short some of the wires to each other and to ground.  Make sure
you 
check each individual wire in the Y-adapter.

Phil - AD5X 

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[Elecraft] APF Macros-- postscript

2010-11-04 Thread Chuck Guenther
Regarding my previous message on APF macros--

I had to change the name of APF SHFT to APF SHF (discovered the
character limit when saving the macros to M4T and M4H on my K3.)

Since the APF function seems to save the last shift used, it seems
less important to include an APF shift in the macro.

73,
Chuck Guenther
K3 s/n 1061

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[Elecraft] Sell Top for K1

2010-11-04 Thread Don Nesbitt
Hope someone can use it.  Top in near new condition - replaced with the 
battery top.  Includes the 4 little screws.  Price? I don't have a clue - so 
- how about $10 and you pay for Priority Mail?  See a couple of photos at: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/n4hh  73 es gud dxing -- Don N4HH


  
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[Elecraft] W2 Utility software

2010-11-04 Thread Jim Spears
1.   When I start the utility, not the firmware loader but the run time
utility, it starts with a very bizarre window, not movable, only closable by
Task Manager and the top is off the top of the screen.  I deleted the
executable and downloaded a new copy but get the same behavior.  It appears
that this program is not really installed but is only an executable just
sitting there.  But it must leave some footprint or the new window would
appear in a normal position and with normal properties.  Where are these
settings?

2.   I have two sensors of the same type, both 2kw hf.  It would be nice
to be able to label them for the use when S2 is selected vs S1.  Now the
label will come up keyed on sensor type which is not especially interesting.
Also is there an easier way to switch between sensors than pressing the
S1/S2 switch?

 

Jim/N1NK

 

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Re: [Elecraft] W2 Utility software

2010-11-04 Thread Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Jim Spears n...@cox.net wrote:
 1.       When I start the utility, not the firmware loader but the run time
 utility, it starts with a very bizarre window, not movable, only closable by
 Task Manager and the top is off the top of the screen.  I deleted the
 executable and downloaded a new copy but get the same behavior.  It appears
 that this program is not really installed but is only an executable just
 sitting there.  But it must leave some footprint or the new window would
 appear in a normal position and with normal properties.  Where are these
 settings?

In the registry; HKCU\Software\Elecraft\W2 Utility

~Iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] W2 Utility software

2010-11-04 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Jim,

What is your Operating System?  Had you installed before?  

I have the unit and it works fine on WIN7 PRO 64 Bit.  I have also tried it
on WIN7 32 Bit as well.  Do you have firewall or Antivirus software, and if
so, what.

Your desktop would appear to be corrupted not to run this program.  When you
install you might have some pop ups and how you answer them will determine
whether or not the window will load correctly.  

Good luck.

Bill
K9YEQ


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Spears
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:24 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Utility software

1.   When I start the utility, not the firmware loader but the run time
utility, it starts with a very bizarre window, not movable, only closable by
Task Manager and the top is off the top of the screen.  I deleted the
executable and downloaded a new copy but get the same behavior.  It appears
that this program is not really installed but is only an executable just
sitting there.  But it must leave some footprint or the new window would
appear in a normal position and with normal properties.  Where are these
settings?

2.   I have two sensors of the same type, both 2kw hf.  It would be nice
to be able to label them for the use when S2 is selected vs S1.  Now the
label will come up keyed on sensor type which is not especially interesting.
Also is there an easier way to switch between sensors than pressing the
S1/S2 switch?

 

Jim/N1NK

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load

2010-11-04 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Remove power connector from K3.

If a P3 is inline, remove P3 power connector so that P3 will not power up, even 
for a moment, when you reapply K3 power. 

Reboot PC. This isn't often necessary, but sometimes a COM port or USB driver 
is in an awkward state. If you don't reboot, do stop the K3 Utility. 

Plug K3 power connector back in.

Press K3 power button. Expect to see MCU LD in an otherwise LCD. 

Start k3 utility. Navigate to Port tab. Wait until it connects, expect a 
warning popup about finding a K3 in boot loader. 

Select firmware tab and select send all firmware. 

I do this a lot, I think my K3 and Waynes and Lyles get more firmware loads 
than most. It's not extraordinary. 

73 de Dick. K6KR

On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:54, Jim Bobo jimb...@gvtc.com wrote:

 Power failure in middle of firmware load and now cannot connect with K3. 
 Anyone know how to get started again?
 
 Jim, W5ODD
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Re: [Elecraft] W2 Utility software

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Brabham
  I had this same problem.Worked around it by temporarily reducing 
the PC's video screen size and then restoring it, with W2 running.   
That at least moved to a point where I could drag it.

73 Jack KZ5A
K3 #4165

On 11/4/2010 4:35 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote:
 Jim,

 What is your Operating System?  Had you installed before?

 I have the unit and it works fine on WIN7 PRO 64 Bit.  I have also tried it
 on WIN7 32 Bit as well.  Do you have firewall or Antivirus software, and if
 so, what.

 Your desktop would appear to be corrupted not to run this program.  When you
 install you might have some pop ups and how you answer them will determine
 whether or not the window will load correctly.

 Good luck.

 Bill
 K9YEQ


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 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Spears
 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:24 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Utility software

 1.   When I start the utility, not the firmware loader but the run time
 utility, it starts with a very bizarre window, not movable, only closable by
 Task Manager and the top is off the top of the screen.  I deleted the
 executable and downloaded a new copy but get the same behavior.  It appears
 that this program is not really installed but is only an executable just
 sitting there.  But it must leave some footprint or the new window would
 appear in a normal position and with normal properties.  Where are these
 settings?

 2.   I have two sensors of the same type, both 2kw hf.  It would be nice
 to be able to label them for the use when S2 is selected vs S1.  Now the
 label will come up keyed on sensor type which is not especially interesting.
 Also is there an easier way to switch between sensors than pressing the
 S1/S2 switch?



 Jim/N1NK



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Re: [Elecraft] W2 Utility software

2010-11-04 Thread Dick Dievendorff
That is the W2 firmware load utility registry key. He's asking about W4SMT's 
utility




Dick

On Nov 4, 2010, at 14:30, Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Jim Spears n...@cox.net wrote:
 1.   When I start the utility, not the firmware loader but the run time
 utility, it starts with a very bizarre window, not movable, only closable by
 Task Manager and the top is off the top of the screen.  I deleted the
 executable and downloaded a new copy but get the same behavior.  It appears
 that this program is not really installed but is only an executable just
 sitting there.  But it must leave some footprint or the new window would
 appear in a normal position and with normal properties.  Where are these
 settings?
 
 In the registry; HKCU\Software\Elecraft\W2 Utility
 
~Iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load

2010-11-04 Thread k2qi . nyc
Perhaps this process should be appended to the K3 FAQ or troubleshooting areas, 
as this topic comes up quite a bit on the reflector.

Cheers,
James K2QI
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net
Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:56:55 
To: Jim Bobojimb...@gvtc.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.netelecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load

Remove power connector from K3.

If a P3 is inline, remove P3 power connector so that P3 will not power up, even 
for a moment, when you reapply K3 power. 

Reboot PC. This isn't often necessary, but sometimes a COM port or USB driver 
is in an awkward state. If you don't reboot, do stop the K3 Utility. 

Plug K3 power connector back in.

Press K3 power button. Expect to see MCU LD in an otherwise LCD. 

Start k3 utility. Navigate to Port tab. Wait until it connects, expect a 
warning popup about finding a K3 in boot loader. 

Select firmware tab and select send all firmware. 

I do this a lot, I think my K3 and Waynes and Lyles get more firmware loads 
than most. It's not extraordinary. 

73 de Dick. K6KR

On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:54, Jim Bobo jimb...@gvtc.com wrote:

 Power failure in middle of firmware load and now cannot connect with K3. 
 Anyone know how to get started again?
 
 Jim, W5ODD
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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load

2010-11-04 Thread Dick Dievendorff
I'll add it to K3 Utility Help. TU, good idea. 


Dick

On Nov 4, 2010, at 15:16, k2qi@gmail.com wrote:

 Perhaps this process should be appended to the K3 FAQ or troubleshooting 
 areas, as this topic comes up quite a bit on the reflector.
 
 Cheers,
 James K2QI
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net
 Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:56:55 
 To: Jim Bobojimb...@gvtc.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.netelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load
 
 Remove power connector from K3.
 
 If a P3 is inline, remove P3 power connector so that P3 will not power up, 
 even for a moment, when you reapply K3 power. 
 
 Reboot PC. This isn't often necessary, but sometimes a COM port or USB driver 
 is in an awkward state. If you don't reboot, do stop the K3 Utility. 
 
 Plug K3 power connector back in.
 
 Press K3 power button. Expect to see MCU LD in an otherwise LCD. 
 
 Start k3 utility. Navigate to Port tab. Wait until it connects, expect a 
 warning popup about finding a K3 in boot loader. 
 
 Select firmware tab and select send all firmware. 
 
 I do this a lot, I think my K3 and Waynes and Lyles get more firmware loads 
 than most. It's not extraordinary. 
 
 73 de Dick. K6KR
 
 On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:54, Jim Bobo jimb...@gvtc.com wrote:
 
 Power failure in middle of firmware load and now cannot connect with K3. 
 Anyone know how to get started again?
 
 Jim, W5ODD
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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load

2010-11-04 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Jim needs to fill us in on what is running.  I have all equipment plugged
in.  I have the works.  The W2 requires a second RS232 or remove from one
external device and move to another.  If that is being done then there are
other things to consider.  (This is where internal USB converters can make a
difference if programmed into firmware so those not so blessed with computer
skills will benefit.) 

I find that either one of two com ports are used. If you move the connector
and a comport isn't released, then a reboot might help.  I have a W2, P3,
Kx144, P3 and the obvious K3. I also use a THP HL-2.5kfx which uses another
interface.  I don't have the same issues he experiences.  From what I
understood from his message is that the program isn't correctly loading to
his desktop.  I could be wrong, won't be the first time :-).  

Bill
K9YEQ


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:31 PM
To: k2qi@gmail.com
Cc: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load

I'll add it to K3 Utility Help. TU, good idea. 


Dick

On Nov 4, 2010, at 15:16, k2qi@gmail.com wrote:

 Perhaps this process should be appended to the K3 FAQ or troubleshooting
areas, as this topic comes up quite a bit on the reflector.
 
 Cheers,
 James K2QI
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net
 Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:56:55
 To: Jim Bobojimb...@gvtc.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.netelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware load
 
 Remove power connector from K3.
 
 If a P3 is inline, remove P3 power connector so that P3 will not power up,
even for a moment, when you reapply K3 power. 
 
 Reboot PC. This isn't often necessary, but sometimes a COM port or USB
driver is in an awkward state. If you don't reboot, do stop the K3 Utility. 
 
 Plug K3 power connector back in.
 
 Press K3 power button. Expect to see MCU LD in an otherwise LCD. 
 
 Start k3 utility. Navigate to Port tab. Wait until it connects, expect a
warning popup about finding a K3 in boot loader. 
 
 Select firmware tab and select send all firmware. 
 
 I do this a lot, I think my K3 and Waynes and Lyles get more firmware
loads than most. It's not extraordinary. 
 
 73 de Dick. K6KR
 
 On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:54, Jim Bobo jimb...@gvtc.com wrote:
 
 Power failure in middle of firmware load and now cannot connect with K3. 
 Anyone know how to get started again?
 
 Jim, W5ODD
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[Elecraft] Insignia speakers available

2010-11-04 Thread Rick Stealey

Last month we were talking about external speakers for the K3.  I have a pair 
of like new Insignia speakers for sale.
If you sit them beside your K3 they are about 1 inch taller (rig propped up on 
its stand).  Black.
$15 for one, or $25 for both.  Shipping about $10.  Contact me off list please, 
the hotmail address or k...@arrl.net.  Rick  K2XT
  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter / 2m unit

2010-11-04 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)

I remember seeing a QST test of the internal K144XV, I believe it was in
August this year, where its large-signal handling specifications were
inferior to the external XV144. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, and
if not I would like to understand why.

 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Dave, W8OV
I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The APF 
works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really nice 
addition to the K3.

--Dave, W8OV

On 11/4/2010 3:11 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
 * On 2010 04 Nov 14:06 -0500, Stephen Prior wrote:
 I don't have any lack of ssb power output here after the new download with
 APF enabled in config.
 Interesting.  Thanks to Jim for finding that setting Dual PB to Nor will
 correct this.  Hopefully, Wayne is reading this thread.  :-)

 IO have to say I think the new APF is very good indeed.  Running 4.17 on the
 K3 and 00.41 on the P3.
 I agree.  I think it's a worthwhile addition even with this small bug.

 73, de Nate

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The APF 
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really nice 
 addition to the K3.

At least some of you aren't seeing this.  :-)

James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up and he
was getting good output.  After I did that, I could only get about 25
Watts peak on both meters.  I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
100).  Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts.  I have
since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90 Watts
peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
meter to stabilize for a bit).  I had previously had TXG VCE set to 1.0
dB.

I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
this or be fraught with other issues.  Generally, roll-backs don't work
all that well in other devices.

73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Wayne Burdick
Please retry TX gain calibration on affected bands. This is the usual  
cure for a difference between CW and SSB power output.

Wayne
N6KR


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On Nov 4, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:

 * On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The  
 APF
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really  
 nice
 addition to the K3.

 At least some of you aren't seeing this.  :-)

 James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up  
 and he
 was getting good output.  After I did that, I could only get about 25
 Watts peak on both meters.  I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
 carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
 100).  Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts.  I  
 have
 since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90  
 Watts
 peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
 meter to stabilize for a bit).  I had previously had TXG VCE set to  
 1.0
 dB.

 I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
 this or be fraught with other issues.  Generally, roll-backs don't  
 work
 all that well in other devices.

 73, de Nate 

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[Elecraft] K2/10 SN#543 Lower Po on 15/17M

2010-11-04 Thread Mark Adams
Hi Gang,

During my last contest foray, I noticed that making Qs on 15M was difficult.
Turns out that with only about 50mW, it is! And 17M is likewise low. The
rest of the radio is FB. Also, the current draw on 15/17 is basically the
same in RX and XMIT.(My Astron's meter moves about one needle width.) The
Power Control has no effect on the 15/17 power levels.

I am hoping that there is some common problem that I can easily fix. Can
anyone point me in the right direction? I have an RF probe so I can trace
the signal to look for loss. Would be nice to start close to the expected
problem area.

73,
Mark K2QO
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread k2qi . nyc
Well, rolling back is worth a shot. I've never had problems reverting to 
previous versions. Plus, look at it this way - what variables have changed? If 
this issue manifested itself after the last fw update, then that should be a 
good place to start.

James K2QI
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us
Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:30:44 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

* On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The APF 
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really nice 
 addition to the K3.

At least some of you aren't seeing this.  :-)

James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up and he
was getting good output.  After I did that, I could only get about 25
Watts peak on both meters.  I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
100).  Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts.  I have
since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90 Watts
peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
meter to stabilize for a bit).  I had previously had TXG VCE set to 1.0
dB.

I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
this or be fraught with other issues.  Generally, roll-backs don't work
all that well in other devices.

73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Dave Perry N4QS
I am seeing the same reduction in SSB output power.  I installed 4.17 Beta 
last night.  It appears that the reduced power only occurs when I have APF 
activated.  I have twice restored SSB power by doing the following:  1). 
Changing mode back to CW, 2). Going to Dual PB in Config menu and turning 
APF off, 3). exiting Config menu, 4). changing mode back to SSB.  Power is 
restored back to a full 100 watts.  With APF set to on, SSB power is reduced 
to about 70 watts.  I confirmed this on 17M by repeating the process twice, 
and I then tried 20 M SSB and the power was back to 70 watts (after I had 
turned APF back on.)  Is this a problem with the beta release?  I saw 
Wayne's suggestion to do a TX gain calibration, but it seems strange that I 
would only need to do this after installing Beta 4.17.

APF works great, but I need to resolve this SSB power issue.  I may try RTTY 
next to see what happens in that mode.

Dave, N4QS


- Original Message - 
From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


* On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The APF
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really nice
 addition to the K3.

 At least some of you aren't seeing this.  :-)

 James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up and he
 was getting good output.  After I did that, I could only get about 25
 Watts peak on both meters.  I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
 carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
 100).  Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts.  I have
 since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90 Watts
 peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
 meter to stabilize for a bit).  I had previously had TXG VCE set to 1.0
 dB.

 I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
 this or be fraught with other issues.  Generally, roll-backs don't work
 all that well in other devices.

 73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] XV-144 Stability

2010-11-04 Thread Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:52:12 +, David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  wrote:

I leave my K3's on all the time, but yes the K144XV does drift a bit, so before
doing anything that requires stability I hold the CW Key down for about 5
seconds to warm things up.

Tom
Radio Amateur N5GE

Yes, Eric, like you I usually switch on my XV144 for about 20 minutes 
before I intend to use it to allow the crystal oven to get up to 
temperature. Then, it is nice and stable.  I did have the Mitsubishi PA 
module fail on me and had to replace it. I have also fitted an internal 
fan similar to that used in the XV432.  Since then, no problems.  In 
contrast, my internal K144XV drifts almost 100Hz in five minutes, even 
after allowing 30 minutes to 'warm up'.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Eric gliderboy1...@yahoo.com writes

I use an xv-144 for jt65 eme. It will drift slightly for about 20 
minutes after power up, even with the xtal oven.  However, i have mine 
strapped so the oscillator and oven are only running when it is turned 
on.  After warmup it is rock solid--no drift.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi Dave,

In CW mode, in CONFIG:PB CTRL, what value is in SHIFT=  ??

Thanks, Guy.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Dave Perry N4QS n...@comcast.net wrote:
 I am seeing the same reduction in SSB output power.  I installed 4.17 Beta
 last night.  It appears that the reduced power only occurs when I have APF
 activated.  I have twice restored SSB power by doing the following:  1).
 Changing mode back to CW, 2). Going to Dual PB in Config menu and turning
 APF off, 3). exiting Config menu, 4). changing mode back to SSB.  Power is
 restored back to a full 100 watts.  With APF set to on, SSB power is reduced
 to about 70 watts.  I confirmed this on 17M by repeating the process twice,
 and I then tried 20 M SSB and the power was back to 70 watts (after I had
 turned APF back on.)  Is this a problem with the beta release?  I saw
 Wayne's suggestion to do a TX gain calibration, but it seems strange that I
 would only need to do this after installing Beta 4.17.

 APF works great, but I need to resolve this SSB power issue.  I may try RTTY
 next to see what happens in that mode.

 Dave, N4QS


 - Original Message -
 From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


* On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The APF
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really nice
 addition to the K3.

 At least some of you aren't seeing this.  :-)

 James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up and he
 was getting good output.  After I did that, I could only get about 25
 Watts peak on both meters.  I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
 carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
 100).  Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts.  I have
 since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90 Watts
 peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
 meter to stabilize for a bit).  I had previously had TXG VCE set to 1.0
 dB.

 I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
 this or be fraught with other issues.  Generally, roll-backs don't work
 all that well in other devices.

 73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Filters attenuation

2010-11-04 Thread Curt
Yes, mine attenuates but haven't bothered to measure it.  Strangely, the 700 
Hz seems worse than the narrower filters.

Curt KB5JO

I dunno about the loss you are seeing but I've measured about 8 dB of
loss in my K2 at 200 Hz vs 1 kHz BW. That does strike me a quite a bit
of loss. I just don't use the narrow filters often. I know of at least
one other K2 that has similar loss. Anyone else? 

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[Elecraft] APF and audio limiting

2010-11-04 Thread Mike
I'm playing with the new APF, and trying to get a REALLY weak QSO to pop. I 
have the 
volume cranked up pretty good, and a REALLY strong station throws in their 
call. I 
thought my speakers had blown. Glad I wasn't wearing cans.

My CONFIG:AF is 18, AGC = F.

Was I doing something wrong? Anybody else experience this? Do we need/can we 
have 
better audio limiting?

73, Mike NF4L


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Dave Perry N4QS
Now I seem to have a real problem.  I did a TX Gain calibration using the K3 
Utility for both 5 and 50 watts.  I worked perfectly and tx gain appeared to 
be right on all bands.  I then did some testing into a dummy load with RTTY. 
I noticed that power would start out at 25 watts and it would take several 
transmissions to get it up to 70  to 100 watts.  So I decided to do a 
wattmeter calibration.  I had selected WMTR LP and was attempting to do the 
5.0 W calibration into a dummy load.  But I could not get the output power 
to change much and after several tries I got a high current reading.  Now I 
can get audio only out of the left side of headphones and when I attempt to 
reselect the WTMR parameter it is no longer there.  The selection in Config 
skips from VFO OFS to XVn ON.  I assume I have blown something out. 
However, I am considering reverting back to MCU version 4.14.  Any other 
suggestions?

Thanks in advance.  I would hate to see the K3 go down right before the SS 
CW weekend.

Dave, N4QS

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Perry N4QS n...@comcast.net
To: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


I am seeing the same reduction in SSB output power.  I installed 4.17 Beta
 last night.  It appears that the reduced power only occurs when I have APF
 activated.  I have twice restored SSB power by doing the following:  1).
 Changing mode back to CW, 2). Going to Dual PB in Config menu and turning
 APF off, 3). exiting Config menu, 4). changing mode back to SSB.  Power is
 restored back to a full 100 watts.  With APF set to on, SSB power is 
 reduced
 to about 70 watts.  I confirmed this on 17M by repeating the process 
 twice,
 and I then tried 20 M SSB and the power was back to 70 watts (after I had
 turned APF back on.)  Is this a problem with the beta release?  I saw
 Wayne's suggestion to do a TX gain calibration, but it seems strange that 
 I
 would only need to do this after installing Beta 4.17.

 APF works great, but I need to resolve this SSB power issue.  I may try 
 RTTY
 next to see what happens in that mode.

 Dave, N4QS


 - Original Message - 
 From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


* On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The APF
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really nice
 addition to the K3.

 At least some of you aren't seeing this.  :-)

 James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up and he
 was getting good output.  After I did that, I could only get about 25
 Watts peak on both meters.  I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
 carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
 100).  Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts.  I have
 since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90 Watts
 peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
 meter to stabilize for a bit).  I had previously had TXG VCE set to 1.0
 dB.

 I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
 this or be fraught with other issues.  Generally, roll-backs don't work
 all that well in other devices.

 73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Fred Jensen
OK, my SSB output was low too.  I'm on phone so rarely, were it not for 
the reflector, I'd probably never have checked and when I did find out, 
the thread would have already died.  I did the TX Gain calibration as 
Wayne suggested, all seems to be well on all bands.  Apparently, the DL 
in my MFJ tuner isn't all that 50 ohms-ish on 6m, but the trusty Heath 
Cantenna is.

The APF feature is really quite amazing.  I have to miss SS CW, family 
stuff, but I'm anxious to try it out for real.  It already got me 9U0A, 
he was whisper weak, maybe S[minus]1, I got 9A and wondered why the 
pileup on a 9A?  APF in, he sounded S5.  S-meter was still on the peg 
however.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
- www.cqp.org

On 11/4/2010 10:32 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
 Additional testing shows that when I set my power down to 5 Watts and
 then back up to 100 Watts results in a max peak output of 50 Watts on
 SSB on both an external and the K3's Wattmeter.  Setting the mode to CW
 results in 100 Watts output and reverting back to SSB I can get about 75
 Watts peak on both meters.

 73, de Nate


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Dave Perry N4QS
Guy,

I solved the audio problem.  Speakers had somehow been set to 1.  Turned it 
back to 2.  But WMTR parameter is totally missing.  So I guess I will try 
reverting back to 4.14.

Dave


- Original Message - 
From: Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net
To: Dave Perry N4QS n...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


This is so completely wierd

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Dave Perry N4QS n...@comcast.net wrote:
 Now I seem to have a real problem. I did a TX Gain calibration using the 
 K3
 Utility for both 5 and 50 watts. I worked perfectly and tx gain appeared 
 to
 be right on all bands. I then did some testing into a dummy load with 
 RTTY.
 I noticed that power would start out at 25 watts and it would take several
 transmissions to get it up to 70 to 100 watts. So I decided to do a
 wattmeter calibration. I had selected WMTR LP and was attempting to do the
 5.0 W calibration into a dummy load. But I could not get the output power
 to change much and after several tries I got a high current reading. Now I
 can get audio only out of the left side of headphones and when I attempt 
 to
 reselect the WTMR parameter it is no longer there. The selection in Config
 skips from VFO OFS to XVn ON. I assume I have blown something out.
 However, I am considering reverting back to MCU version 4.14. Any other
 suggestions?

 Thanks in advance. I would hate to see the K3 go down right before the SS
 CW weekend.

 Dave, N4QS

 - Original Message -
 From: Dave Perry N4QS n...@comcast.net
 To: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 7:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


I am seeing the same reduction in SSB output power. I installed 4.17 Beta
 last night. It appears that the reduced power only occurs when I have APF
 activated. I have twice restored SSB power by doing the following: 1).
 Changing mode back to CW, 2). Going to Dual PB in Config menu and turning
 APF off, 3). exiting Config menu, 4). changing mode back to SSB. Power is
 restored back to a full 100 watts. With APF set to on, SSB power is
 reduced
 to about 70 watts. I confirmed this on 17M by repeating the process
 twice,
 and I then tried 20 M SSB and the power was back to 70 watts (after I had
 turned APF back on.) Is this a problem with the beta release? I saw
 Wayne's suggestion to do a TX gain calibration, but it seems strange that
 I
 would only need to do this after installing Beta 4.17.

 APF works great, but I need to resolve this SSB power issue. I may try
 RTTY
 next to see what happens in that mode.

 Dave, N4QS


 - Original Message -
 From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


* On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install. The APF
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears. Really nice
 addition to the K3.

 At least some of you aren't seeing this. :-)

 James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up and he
 was getting good output. After I did that, I could only get about 25
 Watts peak on both meters. I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
 carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
 100). Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts. I have
 since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90 Watts
 peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
 meter to stabilize for a bit). I had previously had TXG VCE set to 1.0
 dB.

 I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
 this or be fraught with other issues. Generally, roll-backs don't work
 all that well in other devices.

 73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2010 04 Nov 21:10 -0500, Dave Perry N4QS wrote:
 Now I seem to have a real problem.  I did a TX Gain calibration using the K3 
 Utility for both 5 and 50 watts.  I worked perfectly and tx gain appeared to 
 be right on all bands.  I then did some testing into a dummy load with RTTY. 
 I noticed that power would start out at 25 watts and it would take several 
 transmissions to get it up to 70  to 100 watts.

This is precisely what I had been seeing, Dave.

On lyle's suggestion I rolled the MCU back to 4.14 and the FPF to 1.13
and left the DSP at 2.65.  The SSB ouput power persisted so I rolled the
DSP back to 2.60 and SSB power is back to normal matching CW power
again.  The improvement was immediate.

 Thanks in advance.  I would hate to see the K3 go down right before the SS 
 CW weekend.

Sorry to hear of your issues.  At Wayne's suggestion I had done the TX
Gain calibration on the beta firmware with no change in behavior.  I
will, however, bump back up to the beta before SS.  Now that I know
what's going on I can work with it.

73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Filters attenuation

2010-11-04 Thread w2bvh
  Petr,

I measured mine at 500 Hz a few years ago but never wrote down the 
number. I do remember being surprised at how much it was.  I use a wider 
filter most of the time and only go to the narrowest when there is 
substantial qrm in the passband; for just the reason you mention.

73,
Lenny W2BVH
K2 sn 1520


On 11/4/2010 4:27 PM, Petr Ourednik wrote:
 Dave,

 yes I am confirming  it is the attenuation which I am talking about...
 When I am decreasing BW from 1.5k to 700Hz there is not noticeable att
 (which means it's aprox. less then 3dB) but by going to 400Hz or even to
 200Hz I hear big att which can be like You said 8dB or so.

 Anybody else has similar experiences pls?

 73 - Petr, OK1RP

 On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:12:46 -0500, daveho13d...@gmail.com  said:
 I dunno about the loss you are seeing but I've measured about 8 dB of
 loss in my K2 at 200 Hz vs 1 kHz BW. That does strike me a quite a bit
 of loss. I just don't use the narrow filters often. I know of at least
 one other K2 that has similar loss. Anyone else?


 73 de dave
 ab9ca/4





 On 11/4/10 11:48 AM, ok1rp wrote:
 Hi,

 I would like to ask for help. My K2 #4800 works fine but I realized the
 narrower filters have attenuation. I pre-set FL1200Hz, FL2400Hz and
 FL3700Hz but with FL1 I recognised too much attenuation which degrading the
 reception of weaks sigs. Is there something which I am doing wrong please?

 73 - Petr, OK1RP
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Question about tuning K2 for SSB..

2010-11-04 Thread w2bvh
  You can adjust the ssb filter by listening to your own voice on the 
rig and adjusting the ssb filter to what sounds best to you. To monitor 
your own voice set the SSBA option to BAL. Then got to CAL FIL for the 
filter you want to adjust and adjust it (a little at a time) while 
talking into the mic.  The only caveat is that your mic has to be hot 
(making a signal) when the PTT line is *not* active. If your mic opens 
the mic signal line when PTT is not pressed you will have to temporarily 
jump out the switch contact that opens that signal.  I found it was 
better if someone else was listening to my voice on the headphones 
instead of myself. They'll let you know when you have adjusted the ssb 
filter for the best audio.

Don't forget to reset the SSBA BAL option back to its previous value 
after you're done.

Sounds harder than it is. You can probably do the whole thing in 1/2 hour.

GL  73,
Lenny W2BVH



On 11/3/2010 10:20 PM, VK7JB wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm learning to drive my new K2/100 and have reached a conceptual block that
 will betray a fundamental lack of understanding, but here goes anyway...

 My K2 dial frequency reads about 20hz under the actual frequency - receiving
 WWV on 1.00, the LCD frequency readout reads .98.  That's all good.
 But,  when I'm working SSB and want to make contact with a station already
 transmitting on a particular frequency, how do I handle the tuning to ensure
 I'm transmitting on his frequency exactly.  Do I tune my K2 to achieve best
 resolved  audio receiving his signal, regardless of the actual frequency
 displayed on my LCD,  then assume when I hit TX I'll be transmitting exactly
 on his frequency?  Or is there any other way to account for this small 20hz
 shift, to make sure I'm transmitting exactly where he is tuned?

 I'm running my K2 with the MH-2 mic and last night got reports of muffled
 audio.  I suspect I'll need to tweak the SSB filter passband position- the
 position looks good on Spectrogram with the low frequency roll off for the
 SSB Tx filter sitting around 300hz, but I understand it may need some
 optimising with  live audio monitoring.  I did wonder  if my tuning
 technique was contributing to the problem - perhaps I'm not transmitting
 exactly where they're listening.

 I hope that makes sense.  Any advice always gratefully received,

 73,
 John
 VK7JB


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Philippe Trottet
Same thing to me, I was noticed it when put my Amp w/GU84B on, need 20w+ to 
obtain 500w in ssb instead of my normal 16w.  MH2 Mic dynamics was also 
affected and obliged to increase the Mic gain consequently.
When back to NOR Dual PB features it comes back almost to normal power but 
seems a bit lack of dynamic.
When download back the 4.14, everything returns to normal.
I have download again the 4.17 and same problem occurs but let it like this 
the time a solution will be available on line.
Anyway the APF is really impressive to extract the weak signal and really 
enjoyed it. It is also a must to catch the beacons qrg's.
Bst 73s 
Philippe A65BI

 Dave Perry N4QS n...@comcast.net 05-11-2010 4:34 
I am seeing the same reduction in SSB output power.  I installed 4.17 Beta 
last night.  It appears that the reduced power only occurs when I have APF 
activated.  I have twice restored SSB power by doing the following:  1). 
Changing mode back to CW, 2). Going to Dual PB in Config menu and turning 
APF off, 3). exiting Config menu, 4). changing mode back to SSB.  Power is 
restored back to a full 100 watts.  With APF set to on, SSB power is reduced 
to about 70 watts.  I confirmed this on 17M by repeating the process twice, 
and I then tried 20 M SSB and the power was back to 70 watts (after I had 
turned APF back on.)  Is this a problem with the beta release?  I saw 
Wayne's suggestion to do a TX gain calibration, but it seems strange that I 
would only need to do this after installing Beta 4.17.

APF works great, but I need to resolve this SSB power issue.  I may try RTTY 
next to see what happens in that mode.

Dave, N4QS


- Original Message - 
From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?


* On 2010 04 Nov 18:23 -0500, Dave, W8OV wrote:
 I had no loss of SSB power output after the 4.17 Beta install.  The APF
 works wonderfully, with only a hint of ringing to my ears.  Really nice
 addition to the K3.

 At least some of you aren't seeing this.  :-)

 James Rogers suggested turning the Mic gain to 0 and then back up and he
 was getting good output.  After I did that, I could only get about 25
 Watts peak on both meters.  I switched to CW mode, transmitted a short
 carrier which showed 100 Watts on both meters (power control set to
 100).  Switching back to SSB both meters showed about 70 Watts.  I have
 since bumped TXG VCE up to the max, 3.0 dB and am getting about 90 Watts
 peak on each meter (I say four in a normal voice to get the K3's
 meter to stabilize for a bit).  I had previously had TXG VCE set to 1.0
 dB.

 I'm not sure that rolling back to the last stable firmware would solve
 this or be fraught with other issues.  Generally, roll-backs don't work
 all that well in other devices.

 73, de Nate 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.17 (APF beta) kills SSB output?

2010-11-04 Thread Wayne Burdick
We're working on the SSB problem.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Philippe Trottet wrote:

 Same thing to me, I was noticed it when put my Amp w/GU84B on, need  
 20w+ to obtain 500w in ssb instead of my normal 16w...


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Re: [Elecraft] K2/10 SN#543 Lower Po on 15/17M

2010-11-04 Thread Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU

Mark,
How is it on 10m and 12m?
Leigh/WA5zNU

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