[Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay?

[tomb18]

HiI understand you can use the key out on the kx2 to signal an external amp. In 
the manual, it mentions to look up the voltage and current specs for this in 
the specifications in the manual.However, there is nothing there. Does anyone 
know the rating?can it directly drive a 12v relay requiring 250ma?Thanks, Tom 
va2fsq.com 


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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: Bill Frantz [via Elecraft]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:53 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

Peter - Thanks for your comments. I knew that ham radio was a 
very big tent, but I didn't know that building a station was a 
goal in and of itself for some hams. My view of the tent has 
gotten bigger. 

[pjd] You're quite correct about the big tent and yes indeed there's a place
for everybody. In my younger days I enjoyed kits to some degree but not
anymore. I prefer to buy high-end gear, good antennas so on, then combine
all that hardware with functional software and squeeze every scrap of
performance out of my station that I can. 

I'm not an emcommer at all, and I treat Field Day like any other contest
(i.e. one (small) step short of a blood sport). I love CW although I'm not
particularly good at it. I dislike SSB due to the lid factor and those few
times I'm on digital it's usually RTTY for HF DX or JT-65 for 6m VUCC grids
or new DXCC entities. I love the thrill of the chase and running in a
contest. To me, any Q longer than about 5 seconds is too long , and
Rate Is King. CQWW and ARRL-DX are the highlights of my ham radio year, as
are the ARRL And CQ 160m contests and DXpeditions to top-10 entities.

My K3S allows me to do *almost* anything I want, but the limitations I've
put forth earlier in this thread are also pretty substantial and something I
was hoping to overcome. My understanding is now a lot clearer, and some kind
of true SDR like a QS1R or similar will need to be added to give me the true
versatility I'm after. And for as much as a Flex 6700 appeals to me, I think
I'm going to stick with what I have until I end up losing too many pileup
battles or I find I'm at too much of a disadvantage in CQWW/ARRL-DX.




- pjd

 

 





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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: Tony Estep [via Elecraft] 
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As many have posted here,  it's not hard to do. But even though it's easy 
enough to set up and use, I didn't find it to be an enhancement to my 
normal operation. 

[pjd] I have finally gotten it working but it’s NOT simple and is pretty 
limited given my hardware.

Is it the best option? Maybe not, but it’s one more tool in my shed. Because of 
the limitations of LP-PAN, however, I found it pretty well useless in ARRL-CW 
this year and I just stuck to straight RBN spots. But with that said, I’d 
prefer to have a full local skimmer running to cut down on “false 
positives”—stuff the big RBN guys can copy but I can’t. 


It's true that some find Skimmer advantageous. Bill, W4ZV is a super-op who 
has posted some favorable commentary about the use of Skimmer, and some 
clever ideas about how to get the most out of it.

[pjd] I look forward to reading these. 

If you have a two-receiver radio and a panadaptor, you can succeed in any 
pileup. 

[pjd] I think that fits into the YMMV category, Tony. If you can hear the guys 
the DX station is calling you can see who gets the 5NN and the pattern he’s 
working (if any) within a call or two. In a 20kHz CW pileup that can be 
huge—again, provided there’s prop to you and other callers as well as the DX. 
It helped me bag FT4JA on CW a couple of times and South Sandwich earlier this 
year.
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Bill Frantz]

Peter - Thanks for your comments. I knew that ham radio was a 
very big tent, but I didn't know that building a station was a 
goal in and of itself for some hams. My view of the tent has 
gotten bigger.


I'm a bit blind in the area of automatic radio. I've never run 
CWSkimmer. I don't know of any similar program for voice modes. 
My interests are mostly in emergency services and building 
equipment and using it on the air. I also get a lot of pleasure 
in club contesting at events like field day and CQP. I chase DX 
"because it's there" and working through a pileup with 100W and 
wire antennas is a challenge.


Because of my emergency service interest, I tend to avoid the JT 
modes because they can't be used to send complex messages like, 
"We need 5 units of type O+ blood." Emergency preparedness makes 
me want to be able to send and receive CW without a computer 
because CW gives me the best chance of cobbling something 
together when "the bad thing" really happens.


As far as building equipment goes, I figure that hams can be 
sorted into these groups:


 People who buy equipment to build a station

 People who buy kits to build a station.

 People who build circuits from books/magazines to build a station

 People who design their own equipment to build a station

All of these are legitimate parts of the hobby.

I have a foot in at least every category. I have bought radios 
for my cars. I have built radio kits for general use. I have 
built circuits from books, and I have designed my own automatic 
antenna switch controller and built it from scratch. The people 
I am in total awe of are the ones that design and build their 
own transceivers. Thank, Wayne and Eric and the rest at Elecraft 
for sharing your designs.


73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Tony Estep]

>
> I’m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system
> functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to
> achieve this...

--
As many have posted here,  it's not hard to do. But even though it's easy
enough to set up and use, I didn't find it to be an enhancement to my
normal operation.

It's true that some find Skimmer advantageous. Bill, W4ZV is a super-op who
has posted some favorable commentary about the use of Skimmer, and some
clever ideas about how to get the most out of it. But to tell the truth,
after I set it up and used it for a while, I scratched it. It might be
useful in a contest but it was of no value in a pileup. If you have a
two-receiver radio and a panadaptor, you can succeed in any pileup.

Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A

[w4sc]

If you are not using the P3 IF OUT port, make sure that the switch (on the back 
panel) that inserts the 3db splitter is in the OFF position.  I have seen 
issues with the P3 IF OUT set to ON and no load (other SDR receiver, or 
TERMINATION) connected.  There is not an isolation buffer between the splitter 
and the IF OUT port, so there could be an issue with a signal being coupled 
back into the P3 A-to-D signal path from an external, or internal, source.

I have observed something very similar to the picture you posted with the P3 IN 
and OUT ports disconnected, but terminated.  The “birdies” drifted back and 
forth across the P3 display as it warmed up.  I managed to minimize the signals 
amplitude by following the P3 ribbon and IF cable dressing recommendation, but 
could not eliminate them.

de Ben W4SC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy

[Nr4c]

You save $200 

It's easy to build and you have an appreciation of what's inside. 

You will save $200. 

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...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 5, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Bill DeVore  wrote:
> 
> I’m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and 
> cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in 
> savings?
> 
> Bill
> 
> W3PNM
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[Elecraft] High-End Hams

[Dauer, Edward]

When its author first used the self-congratulatory phrase “high-end” and the 
flaming by the offended began, I though briefly about posting a defense – 
suggesting that we elect to believe he meant “high-end” as in “expensive,” 
referring to the $6,000 dropped on the latest buy, rather than some qualitative 
judgment about other members of the hobby.  But later posts, regrettably,  
negated that possibility.  The phrase actually was used to make judgments about 
other hams whose passion if not intellect is different from that of others.

If “high end” is a qualitative judgment about people in the hobby, then to me a 
high end ham is one who with some personal sacrifice helps youngsters into the 
hobby, who allows other callers their time in the pile-up rather than 
deliberately stepping on them, who does a little public service work from time 
to time, who keeps their splatter to a minimum, who always QSLs when asked, who 
experiments with advances in their own practice and knowledge in a way 
consistent with their means and their abilities, and who graciously helps 
others with their problems when their own experience and knowledge may be the 
better – sort of like most of the participants in this reflector.

Ted, KN1CBR
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Luis V. Romero]

Peter W2IRT et. al.

In the words of the Immortal Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery Scott of Star Fleet:

"The more complex they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the
drain."

Flex's are nice, they do nice things.  My lowly K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3 station
integrates just fine with anything I have here:  It works in a SO2R
environment with my secondary TS590s managed by microHAM u2R and two
microKEYERs Via N1MMPlus Logger. Radio selection and Antenna switching is a
one button push operation from N1MMPlus.  When I use an amp (which I usually
don't when doing SO2R), its integrated into my computer screen via the
Elecraft KPA Remote application.  My antenna tuner is also displayed on the
screen via the KAT remote application.  I have a programmable keyboard with
a "Jog Knob" that allows me to tune the VFO on EITHER radio from the
keyboard. N1MMPlus allows me to remotely select filters from the keyboard.
My keyboard memory macros allow multiple button pushes and setting changes
with a single selection. I can automatically clear RIT every time I log a
QSO.  I can tune RIT right from the keyboard and tune the rig from the Jog
Knob for S&P operation.  I can turn on the KRX3 and set splits or diversity
receive all with a single button push of my keyboard macro memory. 

The only thing I currently cannot do is mouse on a peak in the P3 and click
to go there.  Working on that.

All of this with a radio and PC I purchased in 2006.  The system will be 10
years old next month. 

Flex was not ready when I was looking.  They have come a long way.  Craig
K9CT has Maestro in his station.  I'm sure it will be developed more and
more as he and his ops beat on it.  

I'm sure more things are to come from Eric and Wayne.  Time will tell.  

But what I have is simple, competitive, reliable and has been, for 10 years
now.  And I'm not totally dependent on a computer platform. 

I'm not that great of an op.  I'm also antenna challenged here in the middle
of the city.  But I win my share. And I credit my K3 station for a lot of
this success.

Lu Romero - W4LT
Tampa, FL (ARRL WCF Section)
K-Line - Tribander at 40 feet - 2 Half waves in phase for 40 - Vertical
Dipole for 40m/Diversity receive
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Hello Bill: 

Building is worth it if you enjoy assembling your equipment. 

It is NOT worth it if you simply want to get your rig working immediately. 
Being in a rush is what results in the most issues with building. 

Allow 6 to 8 hours to do the job and only work when you are awake and feeling 
sharp. 

The end result is equivalent in all respects to a factory-built unit. All 
critical alignments are done at the factory in either case. 

73 Ron AC7AC


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Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy

I’m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and 
cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in 
savings?

Bill

W3PNM
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request

[Don Wilhelm]

Larry,

The 'setup' for SSB, Data modes, CW, AM and FM are already remembered by 
the KX3.  In addition, you can use KX3 Utility to Save the KX3 
Configuration to your computer.  In case you mess up the settings and 
cannot easily recover, KX3 Utility will restore your configuration easily.


Bottom line, I think what you are requesting is already included, but in 
a slightly different manner than what you envision.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/5/2016 9:21 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote:

Not sure if anyone else wants this but I will ask.  There are many settings
in the KX3 and sometimes I get one wrong then can't figure out what it
should be or maybe even can't figure out what I set improperly.  It would be
really great if I could save every setting in the KX3 as a setup file in the
KX3.  It would be even nicer if I could save multiple setups.  I could have
one for my favorite PSK31 setup and another for SSB operation.  Each setup
would store all the settings in the KX3 so when I recall it I don't need to
set anything else.  As a new HAM I already have a lot to remember and this
would help me with my memory overload.




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[Elecraft] KX3 Software Request

[Larry D. Warner]

Not sure if anyone else wants this but I will ask.  There are many settings
in the KX3 and sometimes I get one wrong then can't figure out what it
should be or maybe even can't figure out what I set improperly.  It would be
really great if I could save every setting in the KX3 as a setup file in the
KX3.  It would be even nicer if I could save multiple setups.  I could have
one for my favorite PSK31 setup and another for SSB operation.  Each setup
would store all the settings in the KX3 so when I recall it I don't need to
set anything else.  As a new HAM I already have a lot to remember and this
would help me with my memory overload.

 

Regards,

 

Larry

KG7ZSB

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

First assess your capabilities - are you capable of operating a 
screwdriver (get a new one) and following written instructions 
properly?  If the answer is 'yes', then you are capable of building a kit.


The major "pro" of building a kit are that you will become familiar with 
the K3S and will know what is involved if you want to add options 
later.  You will likely feel a sense of accomplishment at having 
completed the task.


The "cons" of building a kit is that you will miss the factory final 
checkout, calibration and burn-in.


You can do your own checkout, and the calibration is not complex - you 
can do it with no tools since the boards are pre-calibrated, but a 
signal generator such as the Elecraft XG1, XG2 or XG3 (especially the 
XG3) will allow you to refine the final RX Gain calibration using the K3 
Utility application.  A good dummy load that is rated for at least 50 
watts and is 50 ohms non-reactive at 52 MHz is also needed for the TX 
Gain Calibration.  Even if you order the factory built K3S, I would 
suggest that you have a dummy load of that capability available in case 
you want to do the TX Gain Calibration at some time in the future.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/5/2016 8:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote:

I’m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and 
cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in 
savings?




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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy

[Ken Arck]

Well it took me a few hours to do... quite simple and well worth 
the savings actually...


Ken



At 05:55 PM 9/5/2016, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,9/5/2016 5:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote:

  Is building worth the $200 in savings?


Absolutely! $200 will get you about 40 double expressos at Starbucks! :)

But seriously, the building experience is simple, takes a bit more 
than a day, and you know how to take it apart to add options, trade 
boards, etc. It's basically a screw-together kit, with the trickiest 
parts being squeezing in the Sub-RX and fitting the front panel 
board into the main board. Unless you happen to be physically 
challenged (really bad eyesight or motor skills), by all means build it.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,9/5/2016 5:35 PM, JOHN POWELL wrote:

BTW a winning score in the Non-Assisted category of either the major
Contest, viz., ARRL International, or the CQWW either mode, (CW/SSB),
  in my opinion highlights the ability of a Contester. Having a good
setup also counts.


I disagree -- location matters FAR, FAR more than ability or setup in 
ARRL and CQ DX contests. Location is far less important in some other 
big contests, like WPX.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,9/5/2016 5:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote:

  Is building worth the $200 in savings?


Absolutely! $200 will get you about 40 double expressos at Starbucks! :)

But seriously, the building experience is simple, takes a bit more than 
a day, and you know how to take it apart to add options, trade boards, 
etc. It's basically a screw-together kit, with the trickiest parts being 
squeezing in the Sub-RX and fitting the front panel board into the main 
board. Unless you happen to be physically challenged (really bad 
eyesight or motor skills), by all means build it.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Merv Schweigert]

First off I am no Flex Fan,  and am a happy camper with a couple K3 radios,

K9CT contest station has swapped all their K3 for Flex 6700 and ran a 
couple

contests recently high power multi multi.   You can find some place on the
web or on the Midwest Society of contesters blog about the operators
comments and how the Flex worked out.
They seem to be  happy campers,  so a lot of the Flex problems with
strong signals must have been worked out.  Have seen several pictures of 
the

setup and operators using the Flex.

Not sure where high end op came from,  but do know what high dollar op
means when you see these large contest set ups.

73 Merv K9FD/KH6




Also, I'd bet that the Flex 6700 is not a viable option in a 
multi-transmitter station (or around broadcast transmitters, or with 
one or more close-in ham neighbors)  without serious bandpass filters 
in front of it. Bandpass filters commonly used for SO2R and in 
multi-transmitter contesting stations can fulfill that function.  BUT 
-- those filters are NOT going to be sufficient when the strong 
signals are in-band -- for example, 40M in EU and AS, and on 20M, 
where high power broadcast stations are just outside 20M, but still 
within the passband of most practical bandpass filters. Or in a big 
multi-multi with a run station and a multiplier station on the same band.



73, Jim K9YC



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[Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[JOHN POWELL]

Hi Peter,

The best option appears to be one that has been stated by you on
several occasions to sell the Elecraft K3S and P3 and purchase the
Flexradio 6700 and whatever. Problem solved.

BTW a winning score in the Non-Assisted category of either the major
Contest, viz., ARRL International, or the CQWW either mode, (CW/SSB),
 in my opinion highlights the ability of a Contester. Having a good
setup also counts.

73

John Powell. ZL1BHQ


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Re: [Elecraft] Remembering 11 Meters

[Bob Nielsen]

I recall that CQ magazine had a "Save 11" contest, which stirred up a 
bit more activity on the band, but it didn't save it.


73, Bob N7XY

On 9/5/16 5:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

  I remember using my Viking Ranger on 11 in 1957 or 1958 or both , because – 
if memory serves me well – it was the only band that allowed duplex AM with 
some other band that I’ve now forgotten.  Duplex was useless, of course, but 
interesting at the time.  In 1959 someone developed and I installed a 6-meter 
conversion kit for the Ranger which – if I again remember correctly – occupied 
the spot on the band switch previously labeled for 11.   In 1969 I got rid of 
the Ranger when my first son was born.  Probably a coincidence.  I don’t 
remember it being a swap.

Ted, KN1CBR



-Original Message-
 From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
 Olinger K2AV
 Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 1:37 PM
 To: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators?
 
 
 My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11

 meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10
 meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it.
 
 73, Guy K2AV
 
  



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[Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy

[Bill DeVore]

I’m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and 
cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in 
savings?

Bill

W3PNM
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[Elecraft] Remembering 11 Meters

[Dauer, Edward]

 I remember using my Viking Ranger on 11 in 1957 or 1958 or both , because – if 
memory serves me well – it was the only band that allowed duplex AM with some 
other band that I’ve now forgotten.  Duplex was useless, of course, but 
interesting at the time.  In 1959 someone developed and I installed a 6-meter 
conversion kit for the Ranger which – if I again remember correctly – occupied 
the spot on the band switch previously labeled for 11.   In 1969 I got rid of 
the Ranger when my first son was born.  Probably a coincidence.  I don’t 
remember it being a swap.

Ted, KN1CBR



   -Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
Olinger K2AV
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 1:37 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators?


My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11
meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10
meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it.

73, Guy K2AV

 


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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Jerry]

Ham is ham, tech is tech. Ham contests should be less about tech and more 
refined to true personal ham skills. Getting the highest contest score doesn't 
mean you won if you NEEDED tech to decode it all. There's a fine line that, 
once crossed, is against the spirit of the hobby in my opinion ( in contests). 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Peter W2IRT  wrote:
> 
> From: jermo [mailto:je...@carolinaheli.com] 
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM
> To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S
>  
> The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end 
> operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a 
> separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.
> Just my 2c. 
>  
>  
> [pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is 
> mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into 
> and of itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a 
> well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but 
> assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables 
> you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way 
> that your “thinking” workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an 
> equally important skill.
> 
> As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the 
> wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the 
> difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys 
> ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and 
> friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s 
> limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and 
> automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then 
> you’re pretty high end. 
> 
> Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here 
> would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF,  
> operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as 
> sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get 
> a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump 
> through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose 
> equipment lends itself to that function. 
> 
> And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on 
> technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, 
> others wouldn’t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). 
> I’m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more 
> interesting.
>  
>  
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Peter W2IRT  
> Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S 
> 
> I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
> and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
> their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
> K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
> case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
> offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
> comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
> physical interface as much as some ops do.
> 
> My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
> anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
> in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
> them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
> considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
> ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
> computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
> my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
> high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
> those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
> 
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: Peter W2IRT
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
> 
> 
> 
> Nice commercial. 
> 
> You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
> Which part of that isn't resonating? 
> 
> All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
> operator but I know how to configure my rig and software

Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID:

[Fred Jensen]

In the 50's [I was first licensed as KN6DGW in mid-1953] our local club 
congregated on 29.580 AM.  I got a 40 meter rock for my TX as soon as I 
got my General and could get on 10.  The number of young folk increased 
in the club, and finally one of the OT's measured all the OT's actual 
crystal freq against their TX freq, ground new rocks for each for 
29.695, figuring none of us young studs could chance getting that close 
to the edge of the band.


We decided that if they didn't want us, we could do without them.  I 
think they might be the Ultimate High End Operators.  They're all dead now.


73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV
Washoe County DM09dn

On 9/5/2016 3:50 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:

OK, for us old farts, we operated mobile on 3995 KHz, the HIGH END, as we 
called it..hi.
Mel, K6KBE


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Re: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down?

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

If you are not able to fix that 'protected drive' problem, it is a 
simple matter to point K3 Utility to the files on your "F" drive - just 
use the Browse button and navigate to the location of the files.  That 
new location should be 'sticky'.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/5/2016 7:17 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote:

Thanks Don:

I found the problem, for some reason in many of the Windows 10 updates/upgrades 
it had put my C:\ as a protected drive and would not allow files to be written 
to the Elecraft Folder where I hold all the files. Even my FTP program would 
not download to that directory, I had to create a new folder on my F:\drive and 
download to the new directory and then manually copy the files over and then do 
the update. I now have to see why that C:\ is protected. Aren't computers fun. 
Tnx Agn Don...




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Re: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down?

[Mike VE3YF]

Thanks Don:

I found the problem, for some reason in many of the Windows 10 updates/upgrades 
it had put my C:\ as a protected drive and would not allow files to be written 
to the Elecraft Folder where I hold all the files. Even my FTP program would 
not download to that directory, I had to create a new folder on my F:\drive and 
download to the new directory and then manually copy the files over and then do 
the update. I now have to see why that C:\ is protected. Aren't computers fun. 
Tnx Agn Don...


73 De Mike
VE3YF

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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID:

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

OK, for us old farts, we operated mobile on 3995 KHz, the HIGH END, as we 
called it..hi.
Mel, K6KBE


  From: Jim Brown 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 3:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID:
   
On Mon,9/5/2016 2:04 PM, mikerodgerske5gbc--- via Elecraft wrote:
> And by the way, its the generals like my self that are relegated to the high 
> end of the bands.

Last I heard, there were no restrictions on who could study for and take 
the Extra Class exam.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down?

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

I had no problem doing just that just before noon Eastern time today.
Perhaps you should reload K3 Utility.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/5/2016 6:36 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote:

Hi:

Today had nothing on my plate and wanted to do a firmware update to MCU 5.50. I 
am using the latest utility dated back in early summer and it can't find 
anything on the site. However if I go to the FTP site manually I see the files 
MCU 5.50 and DSP 2.87, but would rather the utility do the work.




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Re: [Elecraft] High End Operators?

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,9/5/2016 2:09 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote:
Your time on the 11m ham band had to be before September 1958, which 
is when the Class D CB allocation was authorized.


Perhaps I was bootlegging -- I'm sure of the date because I started 
college in Sept 1959. :)


73, Jim

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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID:

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,9/5/2016 2:04 PM, mikerodgerske5gbc--- via Elecraft wrote:

And by the way, its the generals like my self that are relegated to the high 
end of the bands.


Last I heard, there were no restrictions on who could study for and take 
the Extra Class exam.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Jim Brown]

That's nice, and some contesters are finding the latest and greatest 
Flex radios a good choice. I think it's reasonable to note that Flex 
didn't really have a serious contester's radio until  they had 
user-friendly software and the Maestro box. The latter started shipping 
this year. In my view, I'd say that the Flex 6700 didn't become a 
serious contesting platform until then. (Not counting beta software and 
hardware).


Also, I'd bet that the Flex 6700 is not a viable option in a 
multi-transmitter station (or around broadcast transmitters, or with one 
or more close-in ham neighbors)  without serious bandpass filters in 
front of it. Bandpass filters commonly used for SO2R and in 
multi-transmitter contesting stations can fulfill that function.  BUT -- 
those filters are NOT going to be sufficient when the strong signals are 
in-band -- for example, 40M in EU and AS, and on 20M, where high power 
broadcast stations are just outside 20M, but still within the passband 
of most practical bandpass filters. Or in a big multi-multi with a run 
station and a multiplier station on the same band.


If I'm not mistaken, the original K3 first shipped in 2008, and was 
updated to a K3S in 2015. K3 owners could get about 90% of that update 
by spending about $800 on user-replaceable boards (figuring two 
synthesizers for a K3 with a Sub-RX, the new preamp, and the new I/O 
board). If you weren't happy with the performance of your earlier Flex 
radio, it cost the full price of the new radio to upgrade.


If the big Flex radio seems like a better choice, go for it!  I'm pretty 
happy with the integration of my updated K3s with my computers and 
logging software (and I was happy before the update). The LAST thing I 
want is my rotators spinning every time I put a new call in the N1MM 
Plus entry window -- if he heard me well enough to call me, or if I hear 
him well enough to call him, I can usually work him with the rotator 
just where it is.  I want that to be my decision, not the computer's!


73, Jim K9YC

On Mon,9/5/2016 1:46 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

Insofar as I'm personally concerned, I want a radio that has the best
receiver and filtering money can buy, the ability to receive on multiple
bands simultaneously, see a graphic representation of not just every signal
on the band but their calls as well, full integration to my logging software
and rotator, the ability to easily send any mode natively (CW, SSB+voice
keying, RTTY, JT-65/JT-9 and anything else for that matter) and a way to
one-click tune, call and log. To be able to do this with only a couple of
cables and not a rat's nest of wiring is a huge bonus, as is SO2R in one
box.



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Re: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down?

[Mike VE3YF]

Hi:

Today had nothing on my plate and wanted to do a firmware update to MCU 5.50. I 
am using the latest utility dated back in early summer and it can't find 
anything on the site. However if I go to the FTP site manually I see the files 
MCU 5.50 and DSP 2.87, but would rather the utility do the work.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

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Re: [Elecraft] High End Operators?

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

I always wondered why there even WAS an 11 M ham band.  Surely the
propagation characteristics were no different for 10 M as to warrant it's
use.
Plus, 10 is wide enough (1.7 MHz) for just about any mode.

I was even more puzzled why it was given to the Citizen's band class since
it is obviously affected each year by sporadic E skip.
'Skip" operation violated the original intent of CB, so why choose a band
that's famous for it.

They HAD a perfectly good "CB" band up above 400 MHz, which would eliminate
almost any possibility of other than line-of-sight communications.

I even have a couple Vocaline transceivers on that band.  They worked, but
if you look inside, you'd wonder how they could with so few parts.

What's then MOST puzzling is the operation on CB channel 6, or 27.025 MHz.
There are stations on there running in excess of 50 kW !  10 kW, is
considered "low" power.
All for the express purpose of winning the "shoot-out" to see who's the
loudest.

Just remember, if you're being heard at 20 dB over S-9 when running a
kilowatt, you'll still be S-5 at 100 milliwatts .

73, Charlie k3ICH



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
Olinger K2AV
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 4:37 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators?

Sigh...

"High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative term
I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years.

The term came about after the 1977 CB expansion from 23 channels to 40. The
first 23 channels allotted, except for channel 23, came from the 1958
conversion of the 11 meter ham band to CB use. Until 1977 all the CB
equipment stopped with channel 23.

"High End Users" became a pejorative for a while after FCC opened channels
24-40 when users would call and make contact on channel 19, and then
transfer to channel 24 and above, deliberately showing up owners of older
equipment who could not follow or listen.

That gradually went away as the newer 40 channel CB sets became common.
Many retained their older 23 channel sets and left them permanently on
channel 19 to listen for emergency road calls, while using the 40 channel
sets for everything else.

I don't know why anyone would want to use (or reuse) that term, "high end
users". Repurposed bullsh*t is still bullsh*t and still stinks the same.

Back in the 70's before modern cell phones, I knew a lot of hams who put CB
sets in their wive's cars, so they would not get stranded without
communication.

My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11
meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10
meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it.

73, Guy K2AV
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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID:

[mikerodgerske5gbc--- via Elecraft]

I don't usually post here because its a pain to but I couldn't resist. 

I thought it was a typo and should be 

Hind end operator!

And by the way, its the generals like my self that are relegated to the high 
end of the bands. 

73
Mike R

Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as 
KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. 
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Re: [Elecraft] High End Operators?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Back in the 1950's there were many "use or lose it" warnings from the ARRL
about 11 meters. After Hams lost 11 meters to CB, rigs like that Johnson
Ranger became worth their weight in gold to CBers who wanted the higher
power (65 watts) since CB operations used AM back then. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Olinger K2AV
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 1:37 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators?


My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11
meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10
meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it.

73, Guy K2AV

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Re: [Elecraft] High End Operators?

[Augie "Gus" Hansen]

Hi Jim,

Your time on the 11m ham band had to be before September 1958, which is 
when the Class D CB allocation was authorized. Prior to that time CB was 
a UHF-only affair.


73,
Gus Hansen
KB0YH


On 9/5/2016 2:51 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,9/5/2016 1:36 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

"High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative
term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years.


That's a term I've never heard. Although I've been licensed since 
1955, the only time I ever transmitted on 11M was around 1959-60 when 
it was still a ham band, and a fellow student at U of Cincy had built 
a pair of 11M handhelds (in tall skinny Al boxes, sort of like a "Bud 
box").


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Grant Youngman]

Well, just because you bought a K3 doesn't mean you can't get rid of the K3 and 
buy whatever computer-peripheral-radio you want. Makes more sense than 
grumbling about the bad radio you think you're stuck with. 

I used to be a "high end" operator -- back when I had a Globe King 500b, a 
75A4, and a pencil to handle logging ... ;)

Grant NQ5T

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Peter W2IRT  wrote:
> 
> I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
> and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
> their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
> K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
> case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
> offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
> comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
> physical interface as much as some ops do.
> 
> My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
> anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
> in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
> them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
> considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
> ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
> computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
> my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
> high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
> those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
> 
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: Peter W2IRT
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
> 
> 
> 
> Nice commercial. 
> 
> You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
> Which part of that isn't resonating? 
> 
> All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
> operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 
> 
> 
> On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 
> 
> 
>> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
> it 
>> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
>> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
>> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT 
>> 
>> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint 
>> 
>> www.facebook.com/W2IRT 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] 
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM 
>> To: Peter W2IRT 
>> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
>>  
> &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> 
>> &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI 
>> 
>> 73 Mike 
>> WB6DJI 
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Re: [Elecraft] High End Operators?

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,9/5/2016 1:36 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

"High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative
term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years.


That's a term I've never heard. Although I've been licensed since 1955, 
the only time I ever transmitted on 11M was around 1959-60 when it was 
still a ham band, and a fellow student at U of Cincy had built a pair of 
11M handhelds (in tall skinny Al boxes, sort of like a "Bud box").


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2

[George Winship, NC5G]

I received my K2 as a 50th birthday present 15 years ago. It came with the NB
and SSB modules. What a surprise and what fun it was to build. I later did
all the mods and added the audio filter, 160 meter module, KPA100, and
KAT100. It is still the main radio here and gives me a thrill every time I
turn it on.

73, 

George NC5G



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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Gary]

Peter,

I do see your point. Whilst not my style of operating, I do understand what 
your trying to achieve.
Makes a great hobby when each of us can have such a varied range of interests, 
yet we all end up the same placecommunicating
Gotta love this hobby
Gary

-Original Message-
From: "Peter W2IRT" 
Sent: ‎6/‎09/‎2016 6:37 AM
To: "'jermo'" ; "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

From: jermo [mailto:je...@carolinaheli.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM
To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

 

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end 
operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate 
category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.

Just my 2c. 

 

 

[pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering 
the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of 
itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered 
station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and 
understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or 
S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your “thinking” 
workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an equally important skill.

As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the 
wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the 
difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys 
ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship 
more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s limits as far as 
they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least 
integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you’re pretty high end. 

Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here 
would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF,  
operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as 
sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get a 
working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump 
through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose 
equipment lends itself to that function. 

And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on technology; 
assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn’t 
dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I’m just trying to 
make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting.

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Peter W2IRT  
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S 

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 






Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT



From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S



Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Ba

Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: Bill Frantz [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622198...@n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

OK. Building an AI that would either complete a DX contact or 
compete in a contest would be a neat hack, and probably 
achievable. But, would running it be any fun?

[pjd] Depends on your definition of fun. I'd love to try it, personally. 

Could you be proud of the certificates hanging on your wall that you
gathered using this kind of AI?

[pjd] I can't speak for you or anybody else, but if I assembled and
maintained such a station, absolutely. 

The question I ask whenever a discussion of this nature crops up: where do
you stop the technology clock? Y2K? 1975? 1958? WW2? Marconi-era? If we're
to advance the radio art and the available pool of qualified technical
people what better way than to push the tech boundaries and compete against
one another to test its reliability and our skills? No, it's not the same as
sitting with a paddle and a paper log and a dupe sheet but is that latter
skill advancing the radio art? Fun as hell, you betcha, but is it advancing
the art?

Insofar as I'm personally concerned, I want a radio that has the best
receiver and filtering money can buy, the ability to receive on multiple
bands simultaneously, see a graphic representation of not just every signal
on the band but their calls as well, full integration to my logging software
and rotator, the ability to easily send any mode natively (CW, SSB+voice
keying, RTTY, JT-65/JT-9 and anything else for that matter) and a way to
one-click tune, call and log. To be able to do this with only a couple of
cables and not a rat's nest of wiring is a huge bonus, as is SO2R in one
box. 

- pjd


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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Gary]

Jermo,

Agreed. I don't want my hobby to rely on a PC or laptop.
Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but it's my Jurassic world and I prefer to use my K-Line 
as a hands on operator and would not use a term such as high end, mediocre or 
low end etc, I enjoy the challenge of chasing expeditions and to me, using 
skimmer and similar programs  means technology is doing what I prefer to do 
myself. This gives ME a buzz and I feel I have achieved something.
I compete against myself, I don't get upset when it takes a while to get heard.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: "jermo" 
Sent: ‎6/‎09/‎2016 5:37 AM
To: "Peter W2IRT" ; "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S



The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end 
operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate 
category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c. 



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 Original message 
From: Peter W2IRT  
Date: 9/5/16  15:12  (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S 

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 

 




Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

 

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
>  
> 
> Regards, 
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT 
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint 
> 
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT 
> 
>   
> 
> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] 
> [mailto:[hidden email]] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM 
> To: Peter W2IRT 
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S 
> 
>   
> 
> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
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> 73 Mike 
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[Elecraft] High End Operators?

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

Sigh...

"High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative
term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years.

The term came about after the 1977 CB expansion from 23 channels to 40. The
first 23 channels allotted, except for channel 23, came from the 1958
conversion of the 11 meter ham band to CB use. Until 1977 all the CB
equipment stopped with channel 23.

"High End Users" became a pejorative for a while after FCC opened channels
24-40 when users would call and make contact on channel 19, and then
transfer to channel 24 and above, deliberately showing up owners of older
equipment who could not follow or listen.

That gradually went away as the newer 40 channel CB sets became common.
Many retained their older 23 channel sets and left them permanently on
channel 19 to listen for emergency road calls, while using the 40 channel
sets for everything else.

I don't know why anyone would want to use (or reuse) that term, "high end
users". Repurposed bullsh*t is still bullsh*t and still stinks the same.

Back in the 70's before modern cell phones, I knew a lot of hams who put CB
sets in their wive's cars, so they would not get stranded without
communication.

My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11
meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10
meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it.

73, Guy K2AV
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

From: jermo [mailto:je...@carolinaheli.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM
To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

 

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end 
operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate 
category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.

Just my 2c. 

 

 

[pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering 
the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of 
itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered 
station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and 
understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or 
S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your “thinking” 
workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an equally important skill.

As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the 
wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the 
difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys 
ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship 
more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s limits as far as 
they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least 
integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you’re pretty high end. 

Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here 
would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF,  
operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as 
sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get a 
working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump 
through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose 
equipment lends itself to that function. 

And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on technology; 
assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn’t 
dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I’m just trying to 
make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting.

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Peter W2IRT  
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S 

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 






Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT



From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S



Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
>  
> 
> Regards, 
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT 
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint 
> 
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT 
> 
>   
> 
> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] 
> [mailto:[hidden email]] 
> Sent: Sunday, Septe

Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[Phil Wheeler]

Apparently the Elecraft K-line need not apply.  
Here was the original message using the term:


"Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it
is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
$6,000 on an outdated design?


Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT"

From a FLEX user, I believe.

Phil W7OX


On 9/5/16 12:43 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:

Obviously “High End Operator” refers to the equipment the operator uses.  That 
is,
only High-end equipment such as the Elecraft K-line.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Edward R Cole  wrote:

Maybe the operative word is "High"... on what? <>

I figure I am on the high end when operating on 10,368.100 MHz 

All above said in good humor

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Wes Stewart]

Two separate categories. I am one but not the other.

On 9/5/2016 12:12 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator.


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[Elecraft] 2016 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Scoreboard has been posted!

[Larry W2LJ]

Congratulations to the Top Five Scorers for 2016

1st Place Overall - KX0R
2nd Place Overall - N3AQC
3rd Place Overall - AB9CA
4th Place Overall - NN9K
5th Place Overall - N0SS

To see the entire scoreboard - please visit 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hj8WSuMHy-0L634_O9oJZp65j_4-rvbREzK_sqZw8mo/edit#gid=629087411

Thank you to all who particpated - thank you to all who sent in Log Summaries 
and Soapbox comments - thiose should be published in a week or two.
Special thanks to the NJQRP Amateurr Radio Club for sponsoring this event.

See you all again in 2017!

73 de Larry W2LJ
NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager - Skeeter # 13
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 stopped answering to serial commands

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Holger Schurig  wrote:
> I have a KX3 with Firmware 02.33. When I put the orginal Elecraft USB->ACC1
> Plug into the device, then programs like kx3util, fldigi, rigctl (from
> hamlib) and even a terminal won't work.
>
> Actually, this is not totally true. When I turn AUTO INF to "riG Ctrl" in
> the menu, then I see various frequency change settings. So I know that the
> KX3 can send and my computer can receive. And that the baudrate is correct.
>
> Also, when I enter "ID;" in a terminal program, I will get the echo "ID;",
> but not the response "IDnnn;". When I remove the plug from AC1, I won't get
> the echo. So I think the "ID;" is really sent from the KX3, so somehow the
> KX3 can still receive and echo. It just doesn't honor any commands.

It almost sounds like the TX and RX lines might be shorted together??
But if this only happens when the cable is connect to the KX3, perhaps
the short is inside. When you type "ID;", does it echo back one
character at a time, or the whole thing at once? If you send something
arbitrary/random, does that get echoed back too?

73,

~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 & HiCur message on 160 - 15, 12 & 10 OK.

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

If the voltage drops from 13 to 12.4 with only a 3 amp draw on a 30 ampere
Astron, you likely have a severe power problem somewhere.

Measure the voltage on the Astron output terminals when you key the K2. If
the drop is present at the Astron, then you have a severe Astron problem.
If not then you most likely have a severe problem with power cord, power
connector, etc. Gone bad, not fully inserted, whatever. Always rule out
mechanical stuff before tearing apart the radio or shipping it back to Big
E. Wires and connectors are mechanical things that wear out. Do not ever
trust wires and connectors. Expect them to go bad. They will.

I have seen a male "F" connector for RG-6 stuff that did NOT have the
threads grooved. Owner came within half a phone call and three cuss words
of sending a RX switch box back to manufacturer accusing them of using
non-standard female F connector jacks on the box's back plane.

Never, ever trust wires and connectors. They are necessary, but they are
also your covert enemy. They have atomic level situational detectors and
know when you are in a contest, or taking your only shot at a new country
you have been chasing for a quarter century, or otherwise emotionally
vulnerable, and thus gleefully fail at times of maximum impact.

My low power K2 drops the 30 amp Astron from 14.4 to 14.3 when I key it at
10 watts. I have changed the internal settings to obtain 14.4 volts out.
Better supply voltage for just about every "12 volt" gizmo in the shack.
But that's totally different subject.

73, and good luck,
Guy K2AV



On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 2:38 PM, sniels...@nc.rr.com 
wrote:

> I have a K2 that just returned from a full going over, config, and realign.
>
> I am getting the HiCur warning real quick when I key it up.  40 through 15
> meters will produce the message when the power setting is adjusted to 6.7
> or higher.  On 160 and 80 the error kicks in at 5.3.  Lower power than that
> will not produce the message in same bands.  Bands 12 & 10 meters do not
> produce the error.
>
> I pressed display button until voltage showed.  Pressed tune, voltage
> dropped from 13.00 to 12.4.  Repeated same test, has same results.  The
> power cable is the same on that came from Elecraft.  I checked Cal Curr in
> menu.  It was set to 4.0.  I turned up to 4.5 and tried CW (letter E)
> again, resulting in same message "HiCur" at same places.  Turned Cal Curr
> setting to 3.5, and tried again.  Same results at same place.
>
> Radio is the 15 watt model that was built in upper 3000 serial numbers.
> It has all the updates and latest firmware installed.  Also has the
> following options installed: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2,  & KBT2.
>
> Power Supply is 30 amp Astron.  Weighs about 35 or 40 pounds (it seems),
> and nothing else is connected to the PS except K2.
>
> The antenna is an UltiMax end fed, 33' vertical wire.
>
> Everything else seems to work flawlessly.
>
> What else should I check to clear this HiCur error?
>
> Thank You and 73,  Steve
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Ken K6MR]

“There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology 
instead of Personal skill.”

There is: Assisted vs. non-Assisted.

And then there are Sprints. Real “Boy and His Radio”* contesting.

*copyright K0HB


Ken K6MR



From: jermo
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:37
To: Peter W2IRT; 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S



The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end 
operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate 
category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c.



Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message 
From: Peter W2IRT 
Date: 9/5/16  15:12  (GMT-05:00)
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.






Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT



From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S



Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
Which part of that isn't resonating?

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
> $6,000 on an outdated design?
> 
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
>
>  
>
> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM
> To: Peter W2IRT
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
>
>  
>
> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
> 
&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>
> &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI
>
> 73 Mike
> WB6DJI
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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[Phil Hystad]

Obviously “High End Operator” refers to the equipment the operator uses.  That 
is,
only High-end equipment such as the Elecraft K-line.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Edward R Cole  wrote:
> 
> Maybe the operative word is "High"... on what? <>
> 
> I figure I am on the high end when operating on 10,368.100 MHz 
> 
> All above said in good humor
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>"Kits made by KL7UW"
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[jermo]

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end 
operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate 
category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c. 



Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message 
From: Peter W2IRT  
Date: 9/5/16  15:12  (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S 

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 

 




Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

 

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
>  
> 
> Regards, 
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT 
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint 
> 
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT 
> 
>   
> 
> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] 
> [mailto:[hidden email]] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM 
> To: Peter W2IRT 
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S 
> 
>   
> 
> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
> 
&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> 
> &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI 
> 
> 73 Mike 
> WB6DJI 
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Bill Frantz]

OK. Building an AI that would either complete a DX contact or 
compete in a contest would be a neat hack, and probably 
achievable. But, would running it be any fun? Could you be proud 
of the certificates hanging on your wall that you gathered using 
this kind of AI?


73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A + KX3 PX3

[Bill Frantz]

When I find an unusual level of birdies on either panadapter, I 
first look for antenna problems. I learned this in the school of 
hard knocks.


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 & HiCur message on 160 - 15, 12 & 10 OK.

[Don Wilhelm]

Steve,

Do you have the antenna connected to the ANT1 or ANT2 jack on the back 
or the top cover?
If you have the antenna connected to the BNC ANT jack on the lower rear 
panel, what you are seeing is typical.


If you have the antenna connected properly, then connect an external 
wattmeter between the KAT2 and a dummy load.  Set the power to 5 watts 
and the ATU menu parameter to CALP, then do a TUNE and observe the power 
both on the K2 display and the external wattmeter.  If the external 
wattmeter shows a high power (12 watts or more) while the K2 display 
shows only a low power (below 2 watts), then the wattmeter in the KAT2 
is not working properly, and damaged diodes is the most likely cause.


Being a QRP K2, there is a possibility that transformer T4 was wound for 
"best efficiency at 5 watts", so check that transformer for 3 turns of 
white wire - if it has only 2 turns, that behavior is 'normal' because 
above 5 watts the PA efficiency becomes worse.  Note that winding ratio 
should never be used for SSB at any power level, so with the KSB2 
installed the T4 winding should always be 2:3:1:1.


Increasing your power supply voltage to the point where the K2 display 
shows 13.8 volts or even up to 14.5 volts will help too.

Cal Cur should be set to 3.5 Amps normally - but not higher.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/5/2016 2:38 PM, sniels...@nc.rr.com wrote:

I have a K2 that just returned from a full going over, config, and realign.

I am getting the HiCur warning real quick when I key it up.  40 through 15 meters 
will produce the message when the power setting is adjusted to 6.7 or higher.  On 
160 and 80 the error kicks in at 5.3.  Lower power than that will not produce the 
message in same bands.  Bands 12 & 10 meters do not produce the error.

I pressed display button until voltage showed.  Pressed tune, voltage dropped from 13.00 
to 12.4.  Repeated same test, has same results.  The power cable is the same on that came 
from Elecraft.  I checked Cal Curr in menu.  It was set to 4.0.  I turned up to 4.5 and 
tried CW (letter E) again, resulting in same message "HiCur" at same places.  
Turned Cal Curr setting to 3.5, and tried again.  Same results at same place.

Radio is the 15 watt model that was built in upper 3000 serial numbers.  It has all 
the updates and latest firmware installed.  Also has the following options 
installed: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2,  & KBT2.

Power Supply is 30 amp Astron.  Weighs about 35 or 40 pounds (it seems), and 
nothing else is connected to the PS except K2.

The antenna is an UltiMax end fed, 33' vertical wire.

Everything else seems to work flawlessly.

What else should I check to clear this HiCur error?

Thank You and 73,  Steve
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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[Richard Fjeld]

Maybe  'astronaut'?

Dick, n0ce


On 9/5/2016 10:47 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Someone please define "high end operator".
>
> Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the
> hobby  (;-)
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Peter W2IRT]

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 

 




Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

 

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

 

Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 


On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 


> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[Edward R Cole]

Maybe the operative word is "High"... on what? <>

I figure I am on the high end when operating on 10,368.100 MHz 

All above said in good humor

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,9/5/2016 11:17 AM, J.K. Hooper wrote:

What factors might be at work that result in this phenomenon?


Hoop,

I've encountered this as well. There are two problems (at least). The 
strong, intermittent birdies are probably caused by a flaky shield 
connection in the coax cable between the P3 and the radio. Wiggle that 
cable at both connectors (and make sure that the connectors are tight) 
and they should go away. If they don't, replace the cable.


There are weaker birdies that show up on a quiet band -- I see them a 
LOT on 6M, and they are a PITA when you're trying to use the P3 to look 
for weak CW signals when the band is trying to open for double-hop 
E-skip. Band noise will cover them if you have a high noise level. They 
move in the opposite direction of the VFO, and they move much faster 
than the VFO. I suspect they are the result of circuit layout issues 
within the radio.


73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] K2 & HiCur message on 160 - 15, 12 & 10 OK.

[sniels...@nc.rr.com]

I have a K2 that just returned from a full going over, config, and realign.

I am getting the HiCur warning real quick when I key it up.  40 through 15 
meters will produce the message when the power setting is adjusted to 6.7 or 
higher.  On 160 and 80 the error kicks in at 5.3.  Lower power than that will 
not produce the message in same bands.  Bands 12 & 10 meters do not produce the 
error.

I pressed display button until voltage showed.  Pressed tune, voltage dropped 
from 13.00 to 12.4.  Repeated same test, has same results.  The power cable is 
the same on that came from Elecraft.  I checked Cal Curr in menu.  It was set 
to 4.0.  I turned up to 4.5 and tried CW (letter E) again, resulting in same 
message "HiCur" at same places.  Turned Cal Curr setting to 3.5, and tried 
again.  Same results at same place.  

Radio is the 15 watt model that was built in upper 3000 serial numbers.  It has 
all the updates and latest firmware installed.  Also has the following options 
installed: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2,  & KBT2.

Power Supply is 30 amp Astron.  Weighs about 35 or 40 pounds (it seems), and 
nothing else is connected to the PS except K2.

The antenna is an UltiMax end fed, 33' vertical wire.

Everything else seems to work flawlessly.

What else should I check to clear this HiCur error?

Thank You and 73,  Steve
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A

[JK Hooper]

George, 

Thanks,  

And my problem is different and I have solved it.   I am feeling silly…My 
antenna switch was not on an antenna.Sorry for the bandwidth.

Hoop


On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Gmail - George  wrote:

Hoop,
I had a similar problem several years ago.
It was a bad BNC cable on the K3 to P3 IF cable. One of the ground 
connections was poor at the connector.
Try "Wiggling" the cable to see if it changes or goes away or even gets 
worse.
73
George
AI4VZ


-Original Message- 
From: J.K. Hooper
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:17 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A

Folks,

I’m just seeing, today, that there are “birdies” for lack of a better term 
that appear on my P3 and which track my VFO and which are up 50 to 65 Khz up 
from where VFO A is located.   This wasn’t happening yesterday.There are 
four lines about 5 Khz apart.

What factors might be at work that result in this phenomenon?   The second 
question would be, what to do to remove them?

73,
Hoop K9QJS

Photo of my P3 on Dropbox here, after I had just turned VFO A:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8335905/IMG_4560.jpg 



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[Elecraft] high back ground noise

[simon m0vky via Elecraft]

evening

i updated my k3S yesterday afternoon, to MCU 5.50, FPF 1.25, DSP1 2.87.

now, i have a high white noise (back ground) on my audio on SSB or when 
i press the PTT. this wasnt present before i installed the new firm ware.


the only change is, i have my k3S on RTTY. i turned of the audio via USB 
from the pc and this helped reduce, but not completely.


any ideas ?

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[Elecraft] KX3 stopped answering to serial commands

[Holger Schurig]

Hi,

I have a KX3 with Firmware 02.33. When I put the orginal Elecraft USB->ACC1
Plug into the device, then programs like kx3util, fldigi, rigctl (from
hamlib) and even a terminal won't work.

Actually, this is not totally true. When I turn AUTO INF to "riG Ctrl" in
the menu, then I see various frequency change settings. So I know that the
KX3 can send and my computer can receive. And that the baudrate is correct.

Also, when I enter "ID;" in a terminal program, I will get the echo "ID;",
but not the response "IDnnn;". When I remove the plug from AC1, I won't get
the echo. So I think the "ID;" is really sent from the KX3, so somehow the
KX3 can still receive and echo. It just doesn't honor any commands.


Any idea on how I could fix that?  Or what I might do wrong?




Holger, DH3HS
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[Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A

[J.K. Hooper]

Folks,  

I’m just seeing, today, that there are “birdies” for lack of a better term that 
appear on my P3 and which track my VFO and which are up 50 to 65 Khz up from 
where VFO A is located.   This wasn’t happening yesterday.There are four 
lines about 5 Khz apart.  

What factors might be at work that result in this phenomenon?   The second 
question would be, what to do to remove them?

73, 
Hoop K9QJS 

Photo of my P3 on Dropbox here, after I had just turned VFO A:  
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8335905/IMG_4560.jpg 



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Re: [Elecraft] KPOD macro help

[Bill]

You can build macros to set the audio gain (volume control for you "high 
end ops") where you want it. For example:


AG000; (mute)
AG033; (medium gain)

Actual gain numbers selected will vary from one station to another - 
depending upon hearing acuity, speakers, station audio system, etc. 000 
is the least gain and it goes up from there.


Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2

[F5vjc]

Built a K2, built a KX3. Sold KX3 kept K2 :)

73 F5VJC

On 5 September 2016 at 19:34, Ken G Kopp  wrote:

> If I had to choose between my K2 (#5665) and my KX3, I'd take the K2 in a
> heartbeat.  (:-))
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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[David Gilbert]

Well, I'd start by defining it as someone who follows the rules ... such 
as not repeatedly posting off topic stuff when they know full well it is 
against the rules they agreed to.



On 9/5/2016 8:47 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Someone please define "high end operator".

Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the
hobby  (;-)

73

K0PP


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Re: [Elecraft] KPOD macro help

[Don Wilhelm]

Leroy,

Check to see which Macro is being issued.  If it is always Macros 1 
through 8, then check your operation.

Are you "PRESSing" too long?  Normally the term used is TAP.
If your "PRESS" exceeds 1/2 second, that will not activate macros 9 thru 16.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/5/2016 12:52 PM, Leroy Marion wrote:

I am doing something wrong when it comes to PRESS or HOLD macros.

  


   Does anyone have a macro that PRESS tunes at one power, and HOLD tunes at
higher power?

I can make one button do one or the other, but when I combine to one button
it only one will work.




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Re: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2

[Jim Rogers]

I bought my first K2 in 2005, I believe it was, anyway shortly after 
getting back on the air in 2004. I sold it to someone going on a 
DXpedition and missed it so bad, I saw a really pristine one with an 
early serial number on
the web, so I bought it. Had fun straightening out the SSB module (I am 
sure that is why it was sold), and  bringing it up to date with all the 
mods. It is still on the standby shelf just above the K-Line and it will 
be here as long as I can stay on the radio. The K2 receiver in my 
opinion was and still is one of the best.


Jim W4ATK


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Re: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2

[Ken G Kopp]

If I had to choose between my K2 (#5665) and my KX3, I'd take the K2 in a
heartbeat.  (:-))

73

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Re: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2

[w7aqk]

I've had two K2's.  The first one was one of the "original 100" K2's which 
were field test units.  After several years I sold that to a ham locally who 
wanted a good QRP rig, but in the meantime I had picked up my 2nd K2, so 
I've been K2 equipped since the beginning.


For years the K2 was my "go to" field radio.  For a good while it was my 
main station radio.  Both of mine were QRP versions, so it wasn't until I 
got a K3 that I had a 100 watt Elecraft radio.  I greatly value the 
experience I had building my K2, and even today, the K2 is a darned good 
radio!  No, it doesn't have some of the bells and whistles you may want, but 
it is most definitely a very competent radio!


I thought I might sell my K2 when the KX3 came out, but it didn't happen. 
The K2 is just too good, and makes a perfect backup radio.  Besides, it is 
still great fun to pull it down and just use it for awhile.


I always put the K2 at the head of my list when I talk to someone looking 
for " a real ham radio experience"!  You get a superb building opportunity, 
and you end up with a radio that will do just about anything you want.  It 
is not a compromise.


Just another example of Wayne's design expertise!

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[RIchard Williams via Elecraft]

Chas,
You are pretty close;  since amateurs don't use "channels",  high end operators 
are normally General Class (and  Extra Class)  who operate at the high end of 
the HF amateur bands (for example, on 20M SSB,  14,300 and up).
Another possible definition might be an individual who uses Elecraft equipment 
(as compared to a Heathkit HW 101).
Dick. K8ZTT

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 9:18, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:   I 
think it means the "high-end" of the band, such as the upper channels,
38, 39 & 40.

Chas

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
Kopp
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:48 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

Someone please define "high end operator".

Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the
hobby  (;-)

73

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[Elecraft] KPOD macro help

[Leroy Marion]

I am doing something wrong when it comes to PRESS or HOLD macros. 

 

  Does anyone have a macro that PRESS tunes at one power, and HOLD tunes at
higher power?

I can make one button do one or the other, but when I combine to one button
it only one will work.

 

Any way to make the volume increase or decrease with a macro?

 

Thanks  Leroy AB7CE

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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

I think it means the "high-end" of the band, such as the upper channels,
38, 39 & 40.

Chas

-Original Message-
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Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

Someone please define "high end operator".

Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the
hobby  (;-)

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[Bill]

Same types that when asked an honest question, will answer by stating RTFM!

Bill W2BLC K-Line   enjoyment operator!!!
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[Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator"

[Ken G Kopp]

Someone please define "high end operator".

Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the
hobby  (;-)

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Kevin]

Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating?


All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.



On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it
is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
$6,000 on an outdated design?


Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

  


From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft]
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Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

  


Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106

&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI

73 Mike
WB6DJI
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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[brian]

Not had any problem either.  The massive pileups this Spring presented 
no display problems.  This good experience goes back for at least 5 
years with several computer systems and a couple sound cards.


Wonder if the birdies/spurious signal problems are due to not doing the 
I/Q equalization or some kind of bad solder joint either.  If you did 
it, do the results look reasonable? (Equalization here is done with a  a 
signal generator with pure output)


The other possibility is that the sound card is being over driven.

The only problem I've encountered is when the DX comes back to a station 
and SKIMMER then spots it on the DX stations frequency.  Watch out for that!


73 de Brian/K3KO

On 9/5/2016 14:45 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

Peter W2IRT wrote

My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A,
the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface.
Find
the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything
from
about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the
birdies/mirror
images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I
would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer
turned
out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this
spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down,
rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup
was
insane.


I don't know about the K3S but I've been doing this with the K3 for many
years.  I even wrote a macro for fast setup which I published 5 years ago:

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html

It sounds to me like there could be a problem with the K3S's I-Q output
causing your birdies.  FWIW I never had any birdie issues using my K3,
LP-PAN and Audiophile 2496 soundcard.  I still prefer Skimmer's panadapter
because clicking the last "599" decoder dot will QSY your TX to the exact
frequency (within 10 Hz) once the system is calibrated...no need position a
cursor any closer than the decoder dot.

73 & GL!

Bill  W4ZV




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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Wes Stewart]

Exactly!

9/5/2016 7:10 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

"Hi-End Operators": Well perhaps in their view!

Phil W7OX


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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Bill W4ZV]

Peter W2IRT wrote
> My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A,
> the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface.
> Find
> the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything
> from
> about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the
> birdies/mirror
> images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I
> would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer
> turned
> out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this
> spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down,
> rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup
> was
> insane.

I don't know about the K3S but I've been doing this with the K3 for many
years.  I even wrote a macro for fast setup which I published 5 years ago:

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html

It sounds to me like there could be a problem with the K3S's I-Q output
causing your birdies.  FWIW I never had any birdie issues using my K3,
LP-PAN and Audiophile 2496 soundcard.  I still prefer Skimmer's panadapter
because clicking the last "599" decoder dot will QSY your TX to the exact
frequency (within 10 Hz) once the system is calibrated...no need position a
cursor any closer than the decoder dot. 

73 & GL!

Bill  W4ZV




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Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

[Phil Wheeler]

"Hi-End Operators": Well perhaps in their view!

Phil W7OX

On 9/4/16 9:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it
is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
$6,000 on an outdated design?


Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

  


From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622157...@n2.nabble.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

  


Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106

&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI

73 Mike
WB6DJI


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[Elecraft] K3 - Audio Drops

[Nolan Kienitz]

K3 s/n:  9013
MCU:  5.50
DSP:  2.87
FPF:  1.25

KIO3B upgrade installed:  06/09/16

Filters in slots 2-4:  6K, 2.8K, 400, 200

No Subreceiver.

I use the Log4OM application and since the installation of the KIO3B the
audio level drops very low when the Log4OM application is shut down. This
happens about 75% of the time when operating. I do not recall this happening
before I updated the module earlier this summer.

I've used both the USB and the Serial links in testing and I get the same
response no matter which communications path I use.

All updates are current in Log4OM and I've updated and tested the OmniRig
interface that is preferred to use within Log4OM.

I've worked with Log4OM support and have not yet been able to narrow to a
solid reason ... yet.

When the audio drops I can immediately restore the prior level by barely
touching/moving either the Shift or Width knobs. Operating the XFIL key also
brings the audio back up.

Appears some command is telling the filter to reduce width to 0.

I've done trace and capture of signals between my laptop and the K3 when
Log4OM is operating, but there does not appear to be any solid clue with
that captured data either. I used USBPCAP and Wireshark to capture/view the
USB traffic data.

FWIW, I just sent a support request to K3 Elecraft yesterday so should hear
back once they have a chance to digest the data I sent to them.

Thought I would post here just in case someone else may have some off hand
suggestions.


73 - Nolan Kienitz, KI5IO







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