[Elecraft] K3 AFX problem
Hello, AFX sounds distortion with phones and at bin mode audio has almost gone. With speakers AFX works fine, maybe some crack when change on-off and 1...5-bin. Is it broken? juha oh6os -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] k3 - AFX effectiveness
Been having a fresh look at the AFX in view of the recent postings about pulling out callsigns from pile-ups. It's been set to BIN for a long time now and I remember this being quite effective at giving some spatial separation to signals differing slightly in frequency when using stereo headphones. However, now the effect seems to be much less noticeable than I remember, and this with the same headphones and settings; turning AFX on and off gives a definite change, but the spatial effect seems to much less. I wonder how others see the effectiveness of AFX and particularly the BIN setting. Pretty sure I haven't done anything to alter this; maybe I'll dig out one of the much earlier firmware versions and see if it's maybe altered over software upgrades. 73, Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF (K3 #145) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-AFX-effectiveness-tp5811754p5811754.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX Firmware request
Yet it makes so much sense with the UI. DATA MD has no functionality when in CW and when holding NB or NR or the Notch filter or the like it allows you to configure the settable features of that feature. Granted its a slight UI breach but the product is still labeled as such on the button. I see this as a lesser evil to some of the press 1 while in this menu things which would have been more intuitive and fitting of the UI had they had their own menu item. But thats all just my opinion. ;) ~Brett PS: When I stated that I wouldn't put it past you I meant that as a compliment. Hopefully it was taken that way... At times text can very poorly portray a message. On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 18:45 -0800, wayne burdick wrote: Brett Howard wrote: Many of the buttons do different stuff based on what mode you're in. I'd not put something like this past him in the least. Brett, I'm cautiously flexible (and hopefully, consistent) with the controls. But I would never engage in a breech of UI etiquette as flagrant as making the DATA MD switch act as a shortcut to the AFX menu entry. One of our field testers proposed that over a year ago, and he couldn't talk me into it, either :) You *can* use a programmable switch function (PFx/Mx) for this, though. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX Firmware request
I see that as a great idea that fits relatively well with the theme of the UI! On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 15:17 -0500, Ed K1EP wrote: I don't think this has been mentioned before, I did a quick search of the list. Here is my firmware request :) In order to adjust the AFX properties, you have to go into the menu. It isn't that easy in the heat of the battle. The AFX button is also the DATA MODE button if it is pressed and held. However, in SSB and CW modes, you aren't in a data mode so a N/A is displayed. Why not make this a short cut to the AFX settings menu? If you are in a non-data mode, then pressing and holding AFX will allow you to change the AFX delay or BIN settings. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX Firmware request
Ed K1EP wrote: In order to adjust the AFX properties, you have to go into the menu. It isn't that easy in the heat of the battle. You can assign the AFX setting to one of the PF keys. I doubt Wayne is going to want to start making keys work different ways for different modes. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-AFX-Firmware-request-tp2368964p2371459.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX Firmware request
Many of the buttons do different stuff based on what mode you're in. I'd not put something like this past him in the least. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu wrote: Ed K1EP wrote: In order to adjust the AFX properties, you have to go into the menu. It isn't that easy in the heat of the battle. You can assign the AFX setting to one of the PF keys. I doubt Wayne is going to want to start making keys work different ways for different modes. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-AFX-Firmware-request-tp2368964p2371459.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX Firmware request
Brett Howard wrote: Many of the buttons do different stuff based on what mode you're in. I'd not put something like this past him in the least. Brett, I'm cautiously flexible (and hopefully, consistent) with the controls. But I would never engage in a breech of UI etiquette as flagrant as making the DATA MD switch act as a shortcut to the AFX menu entry. One of our field testers proposed that over a year ago, and he couldn't talk me into it, either :) You *can* use a programmable switch function (PFx/Mx) for this, though. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: AFX Firmware request
I don't think this has been mentioned before, I did a quick search of the list. Here is my firmware request :) In order to adjust the AFX properties, you have to go into the menu. It isn't that easy in the heat of the battle. The AFX button is also the DATA MODE button if it is pressed and held. However, in SSB and CW modes, you aren't in a data mode so a N/A is displayed. Why not make this a short cut to the AFX settings menu? If you are in a non-data mode, then pressing and holding AFX will allow you to change the AFX delay or BIN settings. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
RE: [Elecraft] K3 AFX
Tom, You are right about using one speaker. What I was trying to say is that with the stereo headset, the rx sounds nice with the AFX on. It seems that when the K3 is transmitting CW , the sidetone/monitor (still using the headset) is in mono, cannot hear any AFX effect. Would be nice if the sidetone would also have the AFX effect. 73 Arie PA3A -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Tom Hammond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag 1 december 2008 1:18 Aan: Arie Kleingeld PA3A; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AFX Arie: During the CQWW CW we used my K3 at PI4D and tried out the AFX. Very nice feature when the frequency is as crowded as in the CQWW. Pity the sidetone (monitor) is normal mono. ONLY if you are using a single speaker. With dual speakers, AFX works nicely! I suggest that if AFX is enabled the monitor audio is also in AFX-sound so you can stay 'in flow. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AFX
During the CQWW CW we used my K3 at PI4D and tried out the AFX. Very nice feature when the frequency is as crowded as in the CQWW. Pity the sidetone (monitor) is normal mono. I suggest that if AFX is enabled the monitor audio is also in AFX-sound so you can stay 'in flow. 73 Arie PA3A ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AFX
Arie: During the CQWW CW we used my K3 at PI4D and tried out the AFX. Very nice feature when the frequency is as crowded as in the CQWW. Pity the sidetone (monitor) is normal mono. ONLY if you are using a single speaker. With dual speakers, AFX works nicely! I suggest that if AFX is enabled the monitor audio is also in AFX-sound so you can stay 'in flow. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation
Hi Lyle, Thank you for your explanation of how AFX works; I now better understand how AFX currently behaves. While listening to cw, I find that increasing DELAY shifts the apparent source of a cw signal further to the left, which makes me believe that AFX delays the right stereo channel. AFX does provide a nice spatial sense of the sound (albeit with sound sources shifted to the left of center). I know that your plate is full right now, but I was pleased to hear that you are thinking of a a future AFX with that spatially locates a sound source based on its pitch. Best Regard and 73, John, no8v Original message Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:41:39 -0700 From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation To: Jeff Kinzli N6GQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net I have recently begun experimenting with my K3's AFX feature... This is not what I expected. What am I doing wrong? The K3 does not provide a space based on pitch which is apparently what you were expecting. That effect is on the list of things to consider for the future. BIN provides a fixed phase shift between the two channels. DLY provides a fixed (but user selectable) time delay between the two channels. I use DLY 3. Wayne prefers DLY 5. This is *all* what we call psychoacoustics, mainly because we like to use 5 syllable words to impress :-) Different listeners react in different ways to these settings. There is no correct one; use what you prefer, including OFF. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation
I have recently begun experimenting with my K3's AFX feature. My understanding is that AFX is supposed to spread cw signals across a virtual listening space in front of the operator (distributed according to pitch?). My experience, listening with stereo headphones and with AFX on, is that all of the sound seems to come from one side and slightly to the rear. With AFX off I hear a balanced sound from the headphones that seems to be in the center of my head. This is not what I expected. What am I doing wrong? 73, john, no8v ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation
John, that sounds like what I have experienced with AFX:BIN. Perhaps we need to use the stereo output on the rear of the K3 for the real effect. AFX:DELAY5, on the other hand, does seem to lay out signals in a virtualized manner, spatially separated in front of the listener. In my experience, however, this effect takes time to materialze, for me, it was a number of hours in the seat before it happened. Don't get me wrong, AFX:DELAY5 is very comfortable to listen to, but the virtual spatialization seemed to take a while to happen (for me, anyway). I wonder what other people experience in terms of time before they notice the spatial separation? Jeff N6GQ On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, John H Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently begun experimenting with my K3's AFX feature. My understanding is that AFX is supposed to spread cw signals across a virtual listening space in front of the operator (distributed according to pitch?). My experience, listening with stereo headphones and with AFX on, is that all of the sound seems to come from one side and slightly to the rear. With AFX off I hear a balanced sound from the headphones that seems to be in the center of my head. This is not what I expected. What am I doing wrong? 73, john, no8v ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation
I have recently begun experimenting with my K3's AFX feature... This is not what I expected. What am I doing wrong? The K3 does not provide a space based on pitch which is apparently what you were expecting. That effect is on the list of things to consider for the future. BIN provides a fixed phase shift between the two channels. DLY provides a fixed (but user selectable) time delay between the two channels. I use DLY 3. Wayne prefers DLY 5. This is *all* what we call psychoacoustics, mainly because we like to use 5 syllable words to impress :-) Different listeners react in different ways to these settings. There is no correct one; use what you prefer, including OFF. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation
I could swear that the audio was louder from the left speaker than from the right with AFX turned on so I got out my trusty DB meter and measured each one. They are identical. I think this is caused by speaker location. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Kinzli N6GQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation I have recently begun experimenting with my K3's AFX feature... This is not what I expected. What am I doing wrong? The K3 does not provide a space based on pitch which is apparently what you were expecting. That effect is on the list of things to consider for the future. BIN provides a fixed phase shift between the two channels. DLY provides a fixed (but user selectable) time delay between the two channels. I use DLY 3. Wayne prefers DLY 5. This is *all* what we call psychoacoustics, mainly because we like to use 5 syllable words to impress :-) Different listeners react in different ways to these settings. There is no correct one; use what you prefer, including OFF. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: 6/23/2008 7:16 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
All of these discussions seem to point out that there is need for operator control and knowlege to properly operate the radio. For some users, the sun may rise and set on AM, but others are using the radio for moon bounce, 160 m CW contesting, transverter, etc. And when a feature is implimented just for operator convenience, it may well limit the radio in some other unanticipated mode of operation. Who knows what the spacing of SWBC signals will be in 10 years. Who knows what new modes of digital communications will exist in 10 years. Who knows how we will be using radios and the internet together in 10 years. I vote for giving the operator control rather than giving the software control. It is part of the adventure of the hobby to own a piece of gear that is complex enough that it is a challenge to us to squeeze out the last ounce of performance. I vote for having thousands of permutations and combinations of features at my control. Ken K5WK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
I vote for giving the operator control rather than giving the software control. It is part of the adventure of the hobby to own a piece of gear that is complex enough that it is a challenge to us to squeeze out the last ounce of performance. I vote for having thousands of permutations and combinations of features at my control. Ken K5WK Abolutely! This is a important part of reasons why so many operators have choosed K3. They are no doors closed, this is my main feeling about HW and flexible FW developmnet. And there is communication and service which is out of any (my) previous experince. 73! L. -dst- K3/10 #727 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
Kenneth Waites wrote: I vote for giving the operator control rather than giving the software control. It is part of the adventure of the hobby to own a piece of gear that is complex enough that it is a challenge to us to squeeze out the last ounce of performance. I vote for having thousands of permutations and combinations of features at my control. Having read the recent QST review of the Flex 5000 I can see that a lot of people agree with you. I, personally, don't. I prefer a piece of equipment or a software program that does its job extremely well but is simple to operate without a lot of configuration options. I, as the user, am willing to adapt to the program or equipment if necessary. This ultimate configurability has been the curse of Windows software development, and has resulted in bloatware like Microsoft Office that has so many options that I have often seen it cited that most users only know 20% of them. Some of the best software I ever used was DOS or early Windows software, and I could probably still do most of what I want to with it, if it was still possible to run it. In the same way, about the only thing wrong with the radios of 20 years ago was their performance, not their ergonomics. I do not want to see radios going the same way as computer software. Already we see on this reflector people asking if it is possible to do things the K3 can already do. Most people can't remember everything they read in the manual (even if they read it in the first place) and this is probably more true of radio hams than computer users in general since most of us are getting to the age when it isn't so easy to remember stuff. Now what was the point I was making...? :) - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com KComm for K2/K3: www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3%3A-AFX%2C-NR%2C-5-khz-tuning%2C-9-Khz-Tuning%2C-AGC-SLP%2C-et.-al-tp18043288p18043723.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
Julian, My cynicism is showing here, but I do believe that many people want all the 'bells and whistles' even if they will never use them. The result is that we end up with a radio or software that many complain about 'because it is too hard to use'. It is difficult to impossible for all but a certain few to learn and fully use all the functions of the K3 (or a complex software application), and only a very select few will ever have need of *all* the available functions. Fortunately, there are defaults that will work fine for the many many users who are only willing to put forth the effort required to utilize 10 or 20% of the total function - as has been stated about the MS Office users. It is to the credit of the developers that they have provided basic functions that many people can use to advantage. Using that other 80% of the total function requires in-depth study, and not all are willing to do that. - I know I don't, I have enough 'irons in the fire' that I am not willing to do that advanced study (and practice) until I really have a defined need for it. DOS and early Windows were quite straightforward and rigid in what could be done if one was using the command line and one had to have a good understanding of the internal workings to be able to fully use what those systems provided. In the meantime, specific applications made it easier for many users to interface with the computer - the operating system can be quite complex and difficult to learn, but the average user does not have to know its internal workings - they only need to know how to interface with the applications to do whatever work they need to have done. 73, Don W3FPR G4ILO wrote: Having read the recent QST review of the Flex 5000 I can see that a lot of people agree with you. I, personally, don't. I prefer a piece of equipment or a software program that does its job extremely well but is simple to operate without a lot of configuration options. I, as the user, am willing to adapt to the program or equipment if necessary. This ultimate configurability has been the curse of Windows software development, and has resulted in bloatware like Microsoft Office that has so many options that I have often seen it cited that most users only know 20% of them. Some of the best software I ever used was DOS or early Windows software, and I could probably still do most of what I want to with it, if it was still possible to run it. In the same way, about the only thing wrong with the radios of 20 years ago was their performance, not their ergonomics. I do not want to see radios going the same way as computer software. Already we see on this reflector people asking if it is possible to do things the K3 can already do. Most people can't remember everything they read in the manual (even if they read it in the first place) and this is probably more true of radio hams than computer users in general since most of us are getting to the age when it isn't so easy to remember stuff. Now what was the point I was making...? :) - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com KComm for K2/K3: www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 3:21 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AFX, etc...
I enjoy the flexibility of the K3 audio system. I use the AFX stereo setup in non-stereo mode. Setup K3 for 2 speakers, place an MS4 or equivalent on top of a floor mounted Sounds Sweet speaker. The MS4 handles the sharp CW notes, the Sounds Sweet provides rich audio on phone modes, and it's all automatic with no external audio amplification. A little Rx-Eq is icing on the cake. I used to need to use amplified computer speakers to get a similar effect, it was never as good and always hard to keep RF out of the speaker wires. Highly recommended and imo -far- exceeds the audio coming from the K3/PCSDR setup. [Elecraft] Audio artifacts Lyle Johnson kk7p at wavecable.com Fri Jun 20 17:02:20 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] Audio artifacts Next message: [Elecraft] Audio artifacts Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] It's the first time I've noticed this problem. I assume Lyle that you are not suggesting that it's a by-product of using the AFX, because I use AFX all the time and had not noticed it before. I don't have the settings for SPKR+PH _and_ SPKRS=1 on. AFX provides a delay between the two channels. If the channels are then summed, there will be peaks and nulls depending on the pitch. The same thing happens if you have two speakers in a room with hard walls and no draperies. It is not distortion, it is combining signals that are no longer in phase due to the intentionally introduced delay. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AFX effect
Hi all, i'm still familiarizing with my K3. I tried AFX on all the possible settings. While i do appreciate very well the pseudo-stereo effect, i don't see any real difference when i choose the IQ or bin effect. From what i has read on QST, it should disseminate the stations across a space in front of you; the listener then will have an easier job in discriminating them, due to the spatial differentiation thet is easier to appreciate than the frequency alone. The problem is, when i switch AFX on on Bin, and there are several stations in the passband, i don't hear any spatial dissemination. The delay 5 effect in very well appreciated, instead, so my headphones are working as expected (and my brains too hi hi) does anybody have some explanation for me? 73, IK4YNG Paolo, K3#517 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-AFX-effect-tp15920231p15920231.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AFX effect
Hello Paolo, Though I don't own a K3, I am familiar with similar effects. The human brain is a self learning device and it takes some time before your brain has learned to use the benefits offered by AFX. Someone else mentioned this alreay here. In an other niche of the radio hobby I am using narrow audio filters with a bandwidth of 12 and 6 Hz. Yes, that is correct: a bandwidth of 6 Hz. It took approximately 4 hours of extensive listening before my brain had adopted to it. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt K2 # 6170 -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 832 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AFX effect
IK4YNG wrote: While i do appreciate very well the pseudo-stereo effect, i don't see any real difference when i choose the IQ or bin effect. From what i has read on QST, it should disseminate the stations across a space in front of you; the listener then will have an easier job in discriminating them, due to the spatial differentiation thet is easier to appreciate than the frequency alone. The problem is, when i switch AFX on on Bin, and there are several stations in the passband, i don't hear any spatial dissemination. The delay 5 effect in very well appreciated, instead, so my headphones are working as expected (and my brains too hi hi) does anybody have some explanation for me? Using a wider bandwidth setting and a higher sidetone pitch should make the AFX BIN effect more noticeable. You should hear lower tones displaced toward the R headphone and higher tones displaced toward the L headphone. 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-AFX-effect-tp15920231p15921520.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AFX problem
AFX use to work fb. Now for some reason when is engaged sounds like NOTCH on CW and SSB. there is no normal AFX effect. Any idea?? Thanks, Mark Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Fwd: [Elecraft] K3 AFX problem-Sorry-no problem
Just intermittent headphones adapter. SORRY --- mark roz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: mark roz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFX problem AFX use to work fb. Now for some reason when is engaged sounds like NOTCH on CW and SSB. there is no normal AFX effect. Any idea?? Thanks, Mark Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AFX
Thanks for the help. I just had to press the AFX button as Matt suggested. Didn't even know it was there. Don K7FJ --- You might want to see if it makes any difference if you push the AFX button (lower right of the keypad). This toggles AFX on and off. matt, W6NIA On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:38:02 -0800, you wrote: What am I doing wrong. When I plug in my stereo earphones I expect to hear the special effects that others have been noting. It sounds like plain old fashioned stereo to me .. no special effects. This is while listening to CW or SSB. I have speaker set to 1. Speaker + Phones is OFF. I have tried two different sets of stereo phones and tried all of the choices in the AFX menu (delay 1 to 5, and b in). Set SPKR = 2. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AFX
What am I doing wrong. When I plug in my stereo earphones I expect to hear the special effects that others have been noting. It sounds like plain old fashioned stereo to me .. no special effects. This is while listening to CW or SSB. I have speaker set to 1. Speaker + Phones is OFF. I have tried two different sets of stereo phones and tried all of the choices in the AFX menu (delay 1 to 5, and b in). Maybe my head is just hard wired to ignore the effects. Don K7FJ K3 #195 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 AFX
What am I doing wrong. When I plug in my stereo earphones I expect to hear the special effects that others have been noting. It sounds like plain old fashioned stereo to me .. no special effects. This is while listening to CW or SSB. I have speaker set to 1. Speaker + Phones is OFF. I have tried two different sets of stereo phones and tried all of the choices in the AFX menu (delay 1 to 5, and b in). Set SPKR = 2. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AFX
You might want to see if it makes any difference if you push the AFX button (lower right of the keypad). This toggles AFX on and off. matt, W6NIA On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:38:02 -0800, you wrote: What am I doing wrong. When I plug in my stereo earphones I expect to hear the special effects that others have been noting. It sounds like plain old fashioned stereo to me .. no special effects. This is while listening to CW or SSB. I have speaker set to 1. Speaker + Phones is OFF. I have tried two different sets of stereo phones and tried all of the choices in the AFX menu (delay 1 to 5, and b in). Set SPKR = 2. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AFX Feature
Dave W7AQK wrote: So, in case you were wondering, AFX is not just a gee whiz feature.. The first time I tried this I kind of thought it wasn't all that useful. But, as you said, with certain signals it can make copy easier. I also combine it sometimes with dual passband filtering which also helps. I've had the K3 for a week now and I am still finding little surprises here and there. I haven't seen a radio so cleverly thought out since the K2. What a great radio! Tom, AK2B ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 AFX Feature
Hi All, As most of you probably know, the K3 incorporates a feature called AFX, which is similar to stereo reception. It is a DSP function, and I am finding it to be very beneficial. You can read a brief description of it on P. 33 of the owner's manual. As described, it does indeed make listening less fatiguing, or seemingly so. But the real benefit I am finding is in readibility of many signals. On SSB, many signals are definitely enhanced by using this feature. It does seem to depend somewhat on just what kind of audio is being provided by the other station. In other words, the benefit of AFX seems more pronounced on some signals as opposed to others. The same occurs on CW. If you don't have your K3 yet, but do happen to have a Heil headset with their phase switching feature, you can get some idea about what I am talking about. But the K3's AFX feature is substanially more pronounced as to benefit. AFX really seems to make some signals jump right up, and significantly more pleasant to listen to, besides making a signal more readable. It seems particularly effective if you have any kind of noise level. So, in case you were wondering, AFX is not just a gee whiz feature. It truly does very good things. Dave W7AQK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
