Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
Bob, you're touching on a couple of areas where N1MM Logger's control of the K3 isn't rock solid. The best you can probably do for now is to check the config setting dual rx always on. With that setting, the subrx should stay on when a spot is grabbed. Personally, I'd like the software to leave the subrx alone and allow me to control it manually, but haven't been able to persuade the programmers. With the current N1MM implementation, you must use the program to set and reset split mode via alt-f7. Otherwise, it doesn't know of any changes to split status. This is another area that needs programming attention. Hopefully, N1MM Logger will improve in these two areas of K3 control in the near future. 73, Barry N1EU bob finger wrote: Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so radio stays in split mode? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/k3-and-N1MM-question-tp4255584p4255791.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
In N1MM on entry window, click config in menu bar. About half way down, click on Dual RX always on. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:06 AM, bob finger fin...@goeaston.net wrote: I'm a brand new K3 user. Had it since yesterday and already love it. I want to use the radio in split with both receivers linked all the time. Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so radio stays in split mode? Thanks for the help. 73 bob de w9ge -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
There are several other issues with N1MM Logger and the K3. 1) N1MM Logger sets the wrong sideband when changing bands because it sets mode before changing frequencies 2) N1MM logger drops out of run when operating split and tuning VFO A (receive VFO) 3) the UP/DN keys for moving RIT operate in a fixed 20 Hz or 100 Hz step instead of the values set in the N1MM configuration. 4) N1MM Logger does not follow the split/sub status set on the transceiver front panel (even though support is present in the K3 CAT protocol to determine sub/split status). 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:46 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question Bob, you're touching on a couple of areas where N1MM Logger's control of the K3 isn't rock solid. The best you can probably do for now is to check the config setting dual rx always on. With that setting, the subrx should stay on when a spot is grabbed. Personally, I'd like the software to leave the subrx alone and allow me to control it manually, but haven't been able to persuade the programmers. With the current N1MM implementation, you must use the program to set and reset split mode via alt-f7. Otherwise, it doesn't know of any changes to split status. This is another area that needs programming attention. Hopefully, N1MM Logger will improve in these two areas of K3 control in the near future. 73, Barry N1EU bob finger wrote: Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so radio stays in split mode? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/k3-and-N1MM-question-tp4255584p4255791.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
Perhaps related to 4 -- clicking on a spot in VFO-A bandmap turns off the sub-receiver if it's on. --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question To: 'Barry N1EU' barry.n...@gmail.com, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:32 AM There are several other issues with N1MM Logger and the K3. 1) N1MM Logger sets the wrong sideband when changing bands because it sets mode before changing frequencies 2) N1MM logger drops out of run when operating split and tuning VFO A (receive VFO) 3) the UP/DN keys for moving RIT operate in a fixed 20 Hz or 100 Hz step instead of the values set in the N1MM configuration. 4) N1MM Logger does not follow the split/sub status set on the transceiver front panel (even though support is present in the K3 CAT protocol to determine sub/split status). 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:46 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question Bob, you're touching on a couple of areas where N1MM Logger's control of the K3 isn't rock solid. The best you can probably do for now is to check the config setting dual rx always on. With that setting, the subrx should stay on when a spot is grabbed. Personally, I'd like the software to leave the subrx alone and allow me to control it manually, but haven't been able to persuade the programmers. With the current N1MM implementation, you must use the program to set and reset split mode via alt-f7. Otherwise, it doesn't know of any changes to split status. This is another area that needs programming attention. Hopefully, N1MM Logger will improve in these two areas of K3 control in the near future. 73, Barry N1EU bob finger wrote: Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so radio stays in split mode? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/k3-and-N1MM-question-tp4255584p4255791.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
OOps, missed this one. Sorry. --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question To: bob finger fin...@goeaston.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:26 AM In N1MM on entry window, click config in menu bar. About half way down, click on Dual RX always on. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:06 AM, bob finger fin...@goeaston.net wrote: I'm a brand new K3 user. Had it since yesterday and already love it. I want to use the radio in split with both receivers linked all the time. Unfortunately with N1MM if I click on a simplex spot both split and sub receiver are turned off. Anyone know how I can defeat this so radio stays in split mode? Thanks for the help. 73 bob de w9ge -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 and N1MM question
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:32:45 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: There are several other issues with N1MM Logger and the K3. Yes. While I like the N1MM logger, use it, and recommend it to others, it has it's problems, and those who write the software don't like to be told about them. I learned that the hard way -- when I did, they took me off their email list. :) My primary issues are 1) If the exchange you enter isn't what N1MM is programmed to accept, it won't log the QSO, BUT IT WON'T TELL YOU! I worked KP2D, but because the country file was old it didn't believe KP2D was a good call, so it refused to save it. Why wasn't the country file good? Because N1MM had crashed halfway throught the contest, and I hadn't reloaded the current one. So I made this QSO, but it's not in my log. I lose the Q, and the other guy gets penalized for two QSOs! I asked for a switch setting to ALWAYS SAVE a Q, no matter what, and let me fix it later. They refused to do that. Why? They don't want N1MM to save a bad QSO. 2) You're running and start to respond to a station who calls you but hear him repeat his call, so you stop sending (ESC). You're using their Enter Sends Message mode, so ENTER should send your exchange. But because you hit escape, it now asks the other station for a fill rather than sending your exchange. Makes you look stupid and slows everything down, in a very common situation. In comparison to these issues, control issues with the K3 are minor. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and N1MM question
2) You're running and start to respond to a station who calls you but hear him repeat his call, so you stop sending (ESC). You're using their Enter Sends Message mode, so ENTER should send your exchange. But because you hit escape, it now asks the other station for a fill rather than sending your exchange. Makes you look stupid and slows everything down, in a very common situation. Yes, ESM is not perfect. You have to keep an eye on the screen to see what it is going to do next, because every now and then the focus is in the wrong place, causing ESM to be in the wrong state and do the wrong thing. Usually when the focus is in the wrong place a bash on the space bar will put it back where you wanted it. The other option is not to rely too heavily on the Enter key. Even with ESM on, you can use the function keys, Ins, ' and ; keys, and you can log without sending anything with Alt+Enter (or Ctrl+Alt+Enter if the program won't let you log a contact because of an apparently defective call sign or exchange). As with any complex software, it takes some experimenting to learn how to use it effectively, especially if you are coming from a different software package. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 with N1MM question
I was running QSK with N1MM. I usually set the delay to 0. With delay set to zero, I cannot tell a big differnce with QSK on or off (on the K3) when using N1MM to key the rig. David Wilburn NM4M http://www.nm4m.com Randy Moore wrote: I enjoyed last weekend operating SSCW with my new K3/10 and N1MM. Both were a joy to use!! I have one curiosity however. I have the K3 setup for semi-QSK with a delay of 0.03 which works fine for me at about 25 wpm. However, the keying through N1MM operates as though PTT is enabled at the beginning of a transmission and disabled at the end. In other words, I hear no signals during the N1MM transmission. I'm keying through the RS232 port on the K3 from a standard serial port on my PC (same cable as used for the CAT from N1MM). I have PTT--KEY set to OFF-dtr, N1MM set for DTR-CW, RTS-Always off. Is there something I'm missing? 73, Randy, KS4L K3 #2006 K2 #337 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 with N1MM question
Even if I go to QSK and/or set the delay to 0, I still hear the same behavior - like the PTT is enabled throughout the transmission and no signals are heard through the receiver. When sending with my paddles, I hear normal QSK behavior. I must have some configuration parameter set wrong in either the K3 or N1MM, or both! David Wilburn wrote: I was running QSK with N1MM. I usually set the delay to 0. With delay set to zero, I cannot tell a big differnce with QSK on or off (on the K3) when using N1MM to key the rig. David Wilburn NM4M http://www.nm4m.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 with N1MM question
Randy: In N1MM, go to the configurator, hardware tab, and click on the Set button for your K3. Make sure that the Radio PTT via command is NOT checked. 73, Ken K3IU ~~~ Randy Moore wrote: I enjoyed last weekend operating SSCW with my new K3/10 and N1MM. Both were a joy to use!! I have one curiosity however. I have the K3 setup for semi-QSK with a delay of 0.03 which works fine for me at about 25 wpm. However, the keying through N1MM operates as though PTT is enabled at the beginning of a transmission and disabled at the end. In other words, I hear no signals during the N1MM transmission. I'm keying through the RS232 port on the K3 from a standard serial port on my PC (same cable as used for the CAT from N1MM). I have PTT--KEY set to OFF-dtr, N1MM set for DTR-CW, RTS-Always off. Is there something I'm missing? 73, Randy, KS4L K3 #2006 K2 #337 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 with N1MM question
Make sure you have not checked Radio PTT via command in the N1MM set-up of the K3 COM port if you expect to be able to operate QSK or VOX (semi break-in). 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Moore Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:13 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with N1MM question I enjoyed last weekend operating SSCW with my new K3/10 and N1MM. Both were a joy to use!! I have one curiosity however. I have the K3 setup for semi-QSK with a delay of 0.03 which works fine for me at about 25 wpm. However, the keying through N1MM operates as though PTT is enabled at the beginning of a transmission and disabled at the end. In other words, I hear no signals during the N1MM transmission. I'm keying through the RS232 port on the K3 from a standard serial port on my PC (same cable as used for the CAT from N1MM). I have PTT--KEY set to OFF-dtr, N1MM set for DTR-CW, RTS-Always off. Is there something I'm missing? 73, Randy, KS4L K3 #2006 K2 #337 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 with N1MM question
Randy, KS4L, wrote: However, the keying through N1MM operates as though PTT is enabled at the beginning of a transmission and disabled at the end. In other words, I hear no signals during the N1MM transmission. I'm keying through the RS232 port on the K3 from a standard serial port on my PC (same cable as used for the CAT from N1MM). I have PTT--KEY set to OFF-dtr, N1MM set for DTR-CW, RTS-Always off. Is there something I'm missing? By any chance do you have Radio PTT via Command checked in the N1MM Configurer for the K3 serial port? That would cause exactly the symptoms you observed. Also, in the main Configurer window, make sure that there is only one check mark under CW/Other (the one beside the K3 Radio port). 73, Rich VE3KI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 with N1MM question
Thanks, Ken, and others. That was it! 73, Randy, KS4L Ken K3IU wrote: Randy: In N1MM, go to the configurator, hardware tab, and click on the Set button for your K3. Make sure that the Radio PTT via command is NOT checked. 73, Ken K3IU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
