Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - NAP3
I understand that NaP3 version 3 does not have the AFSK-A problem. You can get it on the Telepost web site. I had just bought an LP-PAN and discovered NaP3 when the author suddenly quit, not only developing NaP3 but also ham radio. It seemed to me a disproportionate response to enthusiastic but scarcely hostile interest in his new release, which had some nifty new features. Of course it's always hard to know what else is going on in a person's life, and volunteers arefree to stop volunteering, but I wish he had released source code so that maybe someone could have taken over. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 10/7/2014 7:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: George, You will probably find better NaP3 assistance on the www.telepost.com website and the LP-Pan Yahoo group. However, set the NaP3 Global Offset to bring the carrier of a WWV AM signal to the center of the display (line up with the cursor). It may take several iterations to get it right on. After that, everything else should fall into place except for AFSK-A. NaP3 has a discrepancy in that the K3 uses the Mark frequency for the display rather than the carrier, and NaP3 does not. Unfotunately, the author of NaP3 folded his tent in the face of unrelenting demands for users of his free program and has quit, so there will not be an NaP3 fix in the works. Use it 'as-is' or use something else. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/7/2014 5:53 PM, George Rebong wrote: Can you please help me get my KX3 working with NAP3. I need the settings on the NAP3. My computer OS is Windows 7. Thank you __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@contesting.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - NAP3
George, You will probably find better NaP3 assistance on the www.telepost.com website and the LP-Pan Yahoo group. However, set the NaP3 Global Offset to bring the carrier of a WWV AM signal to the center of the display (line up with the cursor). It may take several iterations to get it right on. After that, everything else should fall into place except for AFSK-A. NaP3 has a discrepancy in that the K3 uses the Mark frequency for the display rather than the carrier, and NaP3 does not. Unfotunately, the author of NaP3 folded his tent in the face of unrelenting demands for users of his free program and has quit, so there will not be an NaP3 fix in the works. Use it 'as-is' or use something else. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/7/2014 5:53 PM, George Rebong wrote: Can you please help me get my KX3 working with NAP3. I need the settings on the NAP3. My computer OS is Windows 7. Thank you __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 NAP3 Win4K Off Frequency
Peter, I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application in addition to doing a point click to jump to signals I see on the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on Fixed, then Run in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel. Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens soon. :-) Jim / W6JHB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 NAP3 Win4K Off Frequency
However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on Fixed, then Run in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel. Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the product. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-09-24 12:40 PM, James Bennett wrote: Peter, I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application in addition to doing a point click to jump to signals I see on the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on Fixed, then Run in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel. Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens soon. :-) Jim / W6JHB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 NAP3 Win4K Off Frequency
Well, yes that might have been an option, especially if the software were something purchased and not a freebie. But, I did discuss it with Wayne via email several months ago and he did say that it was something possible to do. Not everyone necessarily wants audio sent out that pipe on TRANSMIT. Some do, some don't - that's why he planned it to be a menu option. ...expect Elecraft to modify their transceiver... I don't expect them to do anything. I simply asked if it could be done, and was told it is on the to-do list. And that's what's great about Elecraft - you can get help here when you need it, and post answers to the reflector in an attempt to assist others who have issues. And still get snarky responses back... Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the product. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 NAP3 Win4K Off Frequency
I think the developer gave up in disgust due to the number of people who were hitting him with different issues. And, I don't think he was not getting paid for the level of effort that was required to keep going. The situation is not good. The product is quite good and is a very helpful application to have. It works wonders while operating split with the one receiver I have with the KX3. However, I have heard nothing about someone wanting to replace the developer or even supporting its present state. 73, Barry K3NDM On 9/24/2014 1:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on Fixed, then Run in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel. Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the product. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-09-24 12:40 PM, James Bennett wrote: Peter, I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application in addition to doing a point click to jump to signals I see on the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on Fixed, then Run in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel. Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens soon. :-) Jim / W6JHB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 NAP3 Win4K Off Frequency
Barry, I think you are right - he probably gave up. It's unfortunate that he didn't go a different route - perhaps making it a pay for it application. I would gladly pay for a product like this to go with my KX3. While I wouldn't have any need for it while camping / backpacking / out in the field, it sure is a super application to use here at home. I run Windows 8.1 under VMware Fusion on a 27 iMac and the display in combination with the operating flexibility are very, very cool. Anyway, I guess we can end this thread and get on with using our rigs! Now, where did that W1AW/7 in Idaho go on 12 meters..? :-) :-) 73, Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA On Wednesday, Sep 24, 2014, at Wednesday, 3:05 PM, Barry LaZar k3...@comcast.net wrote: I think the developer gave up in disgust due to the number of people who were hitting him with different issues. And, I don't think he was not getting paid for the level of effort that was required to keep going. The situation is not good. The product is quite good and is a very helpful application to have. It works wonders while operating split with the one receiver I have with the KX3. However, I have heard nothing about someone wanting to replace the developer or even supporting its present state. 73, Barry K3NDM On 9/24/2014 1:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on Fixed, then Run in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel. Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the product. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-09-24 12:40 PM, James Bennett wrote: Peter, I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application in addition to doing a point click to jump to signals I see on the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on Fixed, then Run in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel. Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens soon. :-) Jim / W6JHB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w6...@me.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Question
Hi Jim, I'm running NaP3 v2.8.8 on Win7 Pro 64bit with my K3, so this may not be applicable, but it could be worth a try. In the NaP3 help file under the Menu/DSP contents where it tells you how to do the calibrate that you have previously done. It also tells you how after you have done your calibration you can then set the WBIR to *Manual*. Try that, I believe it will force NaP3 to maintain the preset *Manual* levels even after the changes during transmit. hope it works for you -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan On 3/20/2014 12:30 PM, Jim Bennett wrote: I'm running NAp3 v2.2.4.2 on Windows 8.1, connected to the RX I/Q port on my KX3 at one end and to the Line In jack on an iMac on the other end. As some other folks have seen, there is an initial issue with images or duplicated signals when NaP3 starts up. Ken (W0CZ) tipped me to a way to get rid of the image issue by opening the NaP3 Config panel, going to the DSP tab, and then doing a Calibrate. This works quite well and just about completely eliminates those images. However When I key the KX3, I see my own signal (quite strong) on the NaP3 display and this completely throws out the calibration, bringing back the images, big time. I have tried several things to eliminate this: First, I tried using a PTT switch with the KX3 instead of QSK - I still see my signal on the pan display. Then, I pressed XMIT on the KX3 prior to keying it - no change, still see my signal. Next, I built an audio isolator to put in the line between the KX3 and the Line In jack on the iMac. No change. Finally, I wound the cable through a 2.4 mix 31 ferrite core nine times, thinking that maybe RF was somehow getting things hosed. That didn't help. So, my questions are: why am I seeing my signal from the KX3 RX I/Q when I transmit? Shouldn't that line be cut off completely when the KX3 goes into transmit? If not, can this be changed so it does? :-) Jim / W6JHB -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Question
Hi That's interesting. In principle the automatic Iq routines should just handle this IF the signal is on the Iq signal itself since it would also have an image and thus the routines would just suppress it. Since it doesn't perhaps the signal is just getting into the sound card and thus NaP3 just tries to balance it and that screws up the current calibration. Here's a test. See if you see a signal with the Iq lines disconnected. If you do then having something that turns off the KX3 s Iq will do nothing. Therefore it would have to be handled somehow by NaP3. Probably the best way would be to have a threshold where if the, signal was above this, then it would not be considered in the calculations. That is preferable to turning off the auto balance since the correction is frequency dependent. 73s Tom Original message From: Jim Bennett w6...@mac.com Date: 20/03/2014 13:30 (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Question __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Question
OK - just pulled the IQ line out of the back of the iMac. Nothing showing on the pan display, even when I key the KX3, so this signal is for sure coming across that line from the KX3. It's strange how the WBIR stuff is working, too. I tried setting it to Fixed after doing a Calibrate. If I then key the KX3 the images re-appear. By clicking the Fixed and changing it to Running and then back to Fixed, the duplicate signals go away. Until I key the KX3 again. Somehow that signal from the KX3 needs to be stopped! Arrg Jim On Thursday, Mar 20, 2014, at Thursday, 11:18 AM, Tom wrote: Hi That's interesting. In principle the automatic Iq routines should just handle this IF the signal is on the Iq signal itself since it would also have an image and thus the routines would just suppress it. Since it doesn't perhaps the signal is just getting into the sound card and thus NaP3 just tries to balance it and that screws up the current calibration. Here's a test. See if you see a signal with the Iq lines disconnected. If you do then having something that turns off the KX3 s Iq will do nothing. Therefore it would have to be handled somehow by NaP3. Probably the best way would be to have a threshold where if the, signal was above this, then it would not be considered in the calculations. That is preferable to turning off the auto balance since the correction is frequency dependent. 73s Tom Original message From: Jim Bennett w6...@mac.com Date: 20/03/2014 13:30 (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Question __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w6...@me.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Question
Computers have sure complicated our hobby, Jim. Never such issues with my good, old K2. So far I've not ventured into that realm with my K3 nor KX3, except for the Elecraft utilities. But my day of computer grief will soon come, I'm sure ;-) 73, Phil w7ox On 3/20/14, 11:28 AM, Jim Bennett wrote: OK - just pulled the IQ line out of the back of the iMac. Nothing showing on the pan display, even when I key the KX3, so this signal is for sure coming across that line from the KX3. It's strange how the WBIR stuff is working, too. I tried setting it to Fixed after doing a Calibrate. If I then key the KX3 the images re-appear. By clicking the Fixed and changing it to Running and then back to Fixed, the duplicate signals go away. Until I key the KX3 again. Somehow that signal from the KX3 needs to be stopped! Arrg Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Display Images
Jim, NaP3 has a mirror image rejection algorithm. Tune to an S-9 or greater signal and wait a bit to allow it to work The stronger the signal, the faster it will be corrected. An XG3 set to -33 dBm will work quite nicely. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2014 4:35 PM, Jim Bennett wrote: Over the course of the past several weeks I've been messing around getting my KX3 to work with the free panadapter display program NaP3. I enjoy using the P3 with my K3 and wanted something similar for the KX3. NaP3 seems to fit that wish pretty well, and it's free! However, there is one issue that I am not able to resolve, and I'm not the only one seeing it. At least two other KX3 owners that I know about have experienced this issue and I'm wondering if there is a fix, or is it just the way it is. Also, what causes it - KX3 design or something out of whack in NaP3? Here's what the issue is: When I look at the Panadapter view of a band segment, there are almost always TWO places where a signal is seen. One is usually a tad stronger (peaking higher) than the other. As I turn the dial on the KX3, they move in opposite directions. Only ONE is the real signal - the other is a mirror. It isn't a huge problem, but does cause me to tune to dead space if I've selected the wrong one. :-( Is there a way to eliminate this mirror image situation? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Display Images
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: ..Tune to an S-9 or greater signal and wait a bit to allow it to work The stronger the signal, the faster it will be corrected. An XG3... = What Don said. I keep my XG3 connected to the RX Ant input. When my NaP3 loses its mind, I flip to the RX ant, put a loud signal in, and wait. If the signal is S9+30 or so, it fixes the image problem instantly. With an actual signal coming in over the air, it is not so reliable. However, the image correction algorithm in NaP3 works perfectly if used correctly with a strong injected signal. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Display Images
Hi Jim You should check your AUDIO CARD Right click on the speaker icon Left click Recording devices Left click on the Device you are using to for the NNaP3 Left click PROPERTIES Left click Advanced Choose 2 tone 16 bit at the highest rate of your SOUND CARD Mine is 48000 Check Allow applications to take control of the device Check Give exclusive mode applications priority Do the DSP Calibrate test with a strong signal. I hope that fixes it for you as it sure works well for me. 73 Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Jim Bennett w6...@mac.com wrote: Over the course of the past several weeks I've been messing around getting my KX3 to work with the free panadapter display program NaP3. I enjoy using the P3 with my K3 and wanted something similar for the KX3. NaP3 seems to fit that wish pretty well, and it's free! However, there is one issue that I am not able to resolve, and I'm not the only one seeing it. At least two other KX3 owners that I know about have experienced this issue and I'm wondering if there is a fix, or is it just the way it is. Also, what causes it - KX3 design or something out of whack in NaP3? Here's what the issue is: When I look at the Panadapter view of a band segment, there are almost always TWO places where a signal is seen. One is usually a tad stronger (peaking higher) than the other. As I turn the dial on the KX3, they move in opposite directions. Only ONE is the real signal - the other is a mirror. It isn't a huge problem, but does cause me to tune to dead space if I've selected the wrong one. :-( Is there a way to eliminate this mirror image situation? Tnx, Jim / W6JHB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Spur Question
Matt, Turned it on, but it didn't help. I've since turned it off, as I understand that it causes slightly higher battery drain. Tnx for giving it a shot though! Jim / W6JHB On Sunday, Feb 16, 2014, at Sunday, 5:48 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Hi Jim, I'm not sure this will work, but try enabling RX ISO in the MENU. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:15:18 -0800, you wrote: I'm running the current firmware release in the KX3, the Mac OS is at 10.7.5. I bring up NaP3 to see the CW signals on a band and I am seeing a birdie or spike (or whatever you want to call it) right at the pitch offset frequency. So, for example, with the KX3 pitch set to 550 Hz, and the KX3 sitting on 24.890.00, I'm seeing this thing at 24.890.55. I know absolutely it is the pitch frequency, because I can press hold CMP and change the pitch frequency and the spikey guy moves with it. Fortunately I'm not talking about a 40db over S9 signal - it is more in the order of about S3 or so. But it is enough to be distracting when looking at the spanadapter and also enough to cover up any blips from weak signals underneath it. When I turn on the waterfall view on NaP3, I'm seeing a solid cyan line vertically right under that spike. I can move this spike to my center line by changing the global offset in the ConfigureRig panel to what my pitch frequency is. But doing so causes me to not be on a signal when I've clicked on it. Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 Skype: matt.zilmer __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Spur Question
OK, Jim. RX ISO *should not* have helped, but what the heck. In the KX3's architecture, a moving birdie that correlates to the VFO ought to be associated with the LO. At least in a sane world... Maybe someone else can chime in. 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:42:28 -0800, you wrote: Matt, Turned it on, but it didn't help. I've since turned it off, as I understand that it causes slightly higher battery drain. Tnx for giving it a shot though! Jim / W6JHB On Sunday, Feb 16, 2014, at Sunday, 5:48 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Hi Jim, I'm not sure this will work, but try enabling RX ISO in the MENU. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:15:18 -0800, you wrote: I'm running the current firmware release in the KX3, the Mac OS is at 10.7.5. I bring up NaP3 to see the CW signals on a band and I am seeing a birdie or spike (or whatever you want to call it) right at the pitch offset frequency. So, for example, with the KX3 pitch set to 550 Hz, and the KX3 sitting on 24.890.00, I'm seeing this thing at 24.890.55. I know absolutely it is the pitch frequency, because I can press hold CMP and change the pitch frequency and the spikey guy moves with it. Fortunately I'm not talking about a 40db over S9 signal - it is more in the order of about S3 or so. But it is enough to be distracting when looking at the spanadapter and also enough to cover up any blips from weak signals underneath it. When I turn on the waterfall view on NaP3, I'm seeing a solid cyan line vertically right under that spike. I can move this spike to my center line by changing the global offset in the ConfigureRig panel to what my pitch frequency is. But doing so causes me to not be on a signal when I've clicked on it. Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 Skype: matt.zilmer __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. -A. Lincoln __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Spur Question
Matt, Got a note from Art/KA9ZAP and he suggested that I check the NaP3 Config box labeled DC Block. I did, and that resolved this issue. Thought I replied ALL on my reply to him but I'm not seeing it on the reflector, so I might have accidentally clicked on simple reply. Anyway, the problem is fixed, at last!!! :-) 73, Jim / W6JHB On Monday, Feb 17, 2014, at Monday, 9:57 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: OK, Jim. RX ISO *should not* have helped, but what the heck. In the KX3's architecture, a moving birdie that correlates to the VFO ought to be associated with the LO. At least in a sane world... Maybe someone else can chime in. 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:42:28 -0800, you wrote: Matt, Turned it on, but it didn't help. I've since turned it off, as I understand that it causes slightly higher battery drain. Tnx for giving it a shot though! Jim / W6JHB On Sunday, Feb 16, 2014, at Sunday, 5:48 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Hi Jim, I'm not sure this will work, but try enabling RX ISO in the MENU. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:15:18 -0800, you wrote: I'm running the current firmware release in the KX3, the Mac OS is at 10.7.5. I bring up NaP3 to see the CW signals on a band and I am seeing a birdie or spike (or whatever you want to call it) right at the pitch offset frequency. So, for example, with the KX3 pitch set to 550 Hz, and the KX3 sitting on 24.890.00, I'm seeing this thing at 24.890.55. I know absolutely it is the pitch frequency, because I can press hold CMP and change the pitch frequency and the spikey guy moves with it. Fortunately I'm not talking about a 40db over S9 signal - it is more in the order of about S3 or so. But it is enough to be distracting when looking at the spanadapter and also enough to cover up any blips from weak signals underneath it. When I turn on the waterfall view on NaP3, I'm seeing a solid cyan line vertically right under that spike. I can move this spike to my center line by changing the global offset in the ConfigureRig panel to what my pitch frequency is. But doing so causes me to not be on a signal when I've clicked on it. Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 Skype: matt.zilmer __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. -A. Lincoln __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Spur Question
Sounds like a deadbeat frequency response problem, then. Interesting... 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:00:42 -0800, you wrote: Matt, Got a note from Art/KA9ZAP and he suggested that I check the NaP3 Config box labeled DC Block. I did, and that resolved this issue. Thought I replied ALL on my reply to him but I'm not seeing it on the reflector, so I might have accidentally clicked on simple reply. Anyway, the problem is fixed, at last!!! :-) 73, Jim / W6JHB On Monday, Feb 17, 2014, at Monday, 9:57 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: OK, Jim. RX ISO *should not* have helped, but what the heck. In the KX3's architecture, a moving birdie that correlates to the VFO ought to be associated with the LO. At least in a sane world... Maybe someone else can chime in. 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:42:28 -0800, you wrote: Matt, Turned it on, but it didn't help. I've since turned it off, as I understand that it causes slightly higher battery drain. Tnx for giving it a shot though! Jim / W6JHB On Sunday, Feb 16, 2014, at Sunday, 5:48 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Hi Jim, I'm not sure this will work, but try enabling RX ISO in the MENU. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:15:18 -0800, you wrote: I'm running the current firmware release in the KX3, the Mac OS is at 10.7.5. I bring up NaP3 to see the CW signals on a band and I am seeing a birdie or spike (or whatever you want to call it) right at the pitch offset frequency. So, for example, with the KX3 pitch set to 550 Hz, and the KX3 sitting on 24.890.00, I'm seeing this thing at 24.890.55. I know absolutely it is the pitch frequency, because I can press hold CMP and change the pitch frequency and the spikey guy moves with it. Fortunately I'm not talking about a 40db over S9 signal - it is more in the order of about S3 or so. But it is enough to be distracting when looking at the spanadapter and also enough to cover up any blips from weak signals underneath it. When I turn on the waterfall view on NaP3, I'm seeing a solid cyan line vertically right under that spike. I can move this spike to my center line by changing the global offset in the ConfigureRig panel to what my pitch frequency is. But doing so causes me to not be on a signal when I've clicked on it. Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 Skype: matt.zilmer __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. -A. Lincoln __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. -A. Lincoln __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Spur Question
I've since closed down my NaP3 session while I work on my taxes (yuckkk...) but as I recall, the documentation for that DC Block thing mentioned it was for systems with less than sparkling sound cards. I'd imagine that the sound card in my iMac is not top of the line quality, as the iMac wasn't designed to be an audiophile's best tool. Jim On Monday, Feb 17, 2014, at Monday, 10:07 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Sounds like a deadbeat frequency response problem, then. Interesting... 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:00:42 -0800, you wrote: Matt, Got a note from Art/KA9ZAP and he suggested that I check the NaP3 Config box labeled DC Block. I did, and that resolved this issue. Thought I replied ALL on my reply to him but I'm not seeing it on the reflector, so I might have accidentally clicked on simple reply. Anyway, the problem is fixed, at last!!! :-) 73, Jim / W6JHB On Monday, Feb 17, 2014, at Monday, 9:57 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: OK, Jim. RX ISO *should not* have helped, but what the heck. In the KX3's architecture, a moving birdie that correlates to the VFO ought to be associated with the LO. At least in a sane world... Maybe someone else can chime in. 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:42:28 -0800, you wrote: Matt, Turned it on, but it didn't help. I've since turned it off, as I understand that it causes slightly higher battery drain. Tnx for giving it a shot though! Jim / W6JHB On Sunday, Feb 16, 2014, at Sunday, 5:48 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Hi Jim, I'm not sure this will work, but try enabling RX ISO in the MENU. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:15:18 -0800, you wrote: I'm running the current firmware release in the KX3, the Mac OS is at 10.7.5. I bring up NaP3 to see the CW signals on a band and I am seeing a birdie or spike (or whatever you want to call it) right at the pitch offset frequency. So, for example, with the KX3 pitch set to 550 Hz, and the KX3 sitting on 24.890.00, I'm seeing this thing at 24.890.55. I know absolutely it is the pitch frequency, because I can press hold CMP and change the pitch frequency and the spikey guy moves with it. Fortunately I'm not talking about a 40db over S9 signal - it is more in the order of about S3 or so. But it is enough to be distracting when looking at the spanadapter and also enough to cover up any blips from weak signals underneath it. When I turn on the waterfall view on NaP3, I'm seeing a solid cyan line vertically right under that spike. I can move this spike to my center line by changing the global offset in the ConfigureRig panel to what my pitch frequency is. But doing so causes me to not be on a signal when I've clicked on it. Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 Skype: matt.zilmer __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. -A. Lincoln __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. -A. Lincoln __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 / NaP3 Spur Question
Hi Jim, I'm not sure this will work, but try enabling RX ISO in the MENU. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:15:18 -0800, you wrote: I'm running the current firmware release in the KX3, the Mac OS is at 10.7.5. I bring up NaP3 to see the CW signals on a band and I am seeing a birdie or spike (or whatever you want to call it) right at the pitch offset frequency. So, for example, with the KX3 pitch set to 550 Hz, and the KX3 sitting on 24.890.00, I'm seeing this thing at 24.890.55. I know absolutely it is the pitch frequency, because I can press hold CMP and change the pitch frequency and the spikey guy moves with it. Fortunately I'm not talking about a 40db over S9 signal - it is more in the order of about S3 or so. But it is enough to be distracting when looking at the spanadapter and also enough to cover up any blips from weak signals underneath it. When I turn on the waterfall view on NaP3, I'm seeing a solid cyan line vertically right under that spike. I can move this spike to my center line by changing the global offset in the ConfigureRig panel to what my pitch frequency is. But doing so causes me to not be on a signal when I've clicked on it. Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 Skype: matt.zilmer __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
Yes - good point, quite right. I made a mistake in my post indicating the lines were on the I/Q output, they were on audio...apparetly due to AFX DELAY being on. Jim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562593.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3 Frequency Offset
NaP3 has a bug. When started, the offset is bad. When offset is changed to something on the last tab (say SSB) to something and then back to 0, the offset is correct. This is not saved so needs to be repeated every launch of NaP3. I can't remember whether touching offset in SSB also corrects CW or not. Ignacy, NO9E KX1, K2, K3, KX3 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-Frequency-Offset-tp7562594p7562599.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3 Frequency Offset
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Ignacy n...@arrl.net wrote: NaP3 has a bug. When started, the offset is bad. When offset is changed to something on the last tab (say SSB) to something and then back to 0, the offset is correct. = I have set my offset to 1. This seems to work around the problem that Ignacy mentions. I can't guarantee it'll work for everybody, but it has worked so far for me. Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
When I connected my KX3 1/Q Output, I had significan nulls every 100 cycles, which I do not experience with my K3 using the same computer/cables. Running the audio through my Rigblaster's isolation transformers cleaned up the KX3 signal, which I'm told does not incorporate any isolation due to space constraints. Taking my Rigblaster Pro into the field is simply not practical, so I have a few isolation transormers on order and I will build a small isolation box. FYI, I tried connecting the Radio Shack ground loop isolator, and it was ineffective while one of their discontinued 1:1 isolation tranformers is effective. Jim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562531.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
Make sure you disable stereo audio effects on your KX3 before using digital modes (ie. menu AFX MD=OFF). 73, Matt VK2ACL. On 13/09/2012, at 12:42 AM, Jim - W6VAR w6...@comcast.net wrote: When I connected my KX3 1/Q Output, I had significan nulls every 100 cycles, which I do not experience with my K3 using the same computer/cables. Running the audio through my Rigblaster's isolation transformers cleaned up the KX3 signal, which I'm told does not incorporate any isolation due to space constraints. Taking my Rigblaster Pro into the field is simply not practical, so I have a few isolation transormers on order and I will build a small isolation box. FYI, I tried connecting the Radio Shack ground loop isolator, and it was ineffective while one of their discontinued 1:1 isolation tranformers is effective. Jim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562531.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
I wasn't using digital modes, CW and SSB, they were just being displayed on the panadapter via the I/Q output. I believe DATA modes automatically cancel AFX. Jim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562535.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
I may be automatically disabling AFX in data modes, but if not, I will. Just added it to the top of the list. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Matt Maguire wrote: Make sure you disable stereo audio effects on your KX3 before using digital modes (ie. menu AFX MD=OFF). 73, Matt VK2ACL. On 13/09/2012, at 12:42 AM, Jim - W6VAR w6...@comcast.net wrote: When I connected my KX3 1/Q Output, I had significan nulls every 100 cycles, which I do not experience with my K3 using the same computer/cables. Running the audio through my Rigblaster's isolation transformers cleaned up the KX3 signal, which I'm told does not incorporate any isolation due to space constraints. Taking my Rigblaster Pro into the field is simply not practical, so I have a few isolation transormers on order and I will build a small isolation box. FYI, I tried connecting the Radio Shack ground loop isolator, and it was ineffective while one of their discontinued 1:1 isolation tranformers is effective. Jim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562531.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
Jim, Good idea, but there is bandwidth limitations on some of those small transformers. You may not get more than about 20 or so KHz before there is drop off. You might want to do some checking before you go operational with your scheme. Best of luck with the idea. 73, Barry K3NDM On 9/12/2012 10:42 AM, Jim - W6VAR wrote: When I connected my KX3 1/Q Output, I had significan nulls every 100 cycles, which I do not experience with my K3 using the same computer/cables. Running the audio through my Rigblaster's isolation transformers cleaned up the KX3 signal, which I'm told does not incorporate any isolation due to space constraints. Taking my Rigblaster Pro into the field is simply not practical, so I have a few isolation transormers on order and I will build a small isolation box. FYI, I tried connecting the Radio Shack ground loop isolator, and it was ineffective while one of their discontinued 1:1 isolation tranformers is effective. Jim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562531.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
Correction, the nulls were on audio, no I/Q. They only exist when using a stereo cable or jumpering the left and right channels together. If I pass a mono signal to the computer, they go away. I tried an isolation transformer with the combined signals, and they didn't filter it. My guess is the Rigblaster only passes a mono signal. Turning AFX OFF with a stereo cable does eliminate this. DATA mode with AFX set to DELAY shows issues with the signal, so AFX does not appear to be getting turned off with the DATA MODE. I'm guessing phase cancellation with AFX??? But that is speculaton on my part. Jim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562550.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
NaP3 seems to work well but the display shows vertical lines every 1-2 KHz. These lines disappear when tuning in fixed mode, but reappear when tuning is over. Any idea how to get rid of those lines? Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7562507.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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NaP3 seems to work well but the display shows vertical lines every 1-2 KHz. I've seen NaP3 references many times, but I'm completely in the dark about what it means. Could somebody clue me in, please? Sodium Phosphide would be Na3P (If it exists)... 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 6-7, 2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
NaP3 is a panadapter display program. I know just a little tiny bit about it, such as how to spell it but not much more. On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:48 PM, gdaug...@stanford.edu wrote: NaP3 seems to work well but the display shows vertical lines every 1-2 KHz. I've seen NaP3 references many times, but I'm completely in the dark about what it means. Could somebody clue me in, please? Sodium Phosphide would be Na3P (If it exists)... 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 6-7, 2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
It's a good option if you want to have a panadaptor display with your KX3. It requires Windows, but I use it on my Mac with VMWare/WindowsXP. It is based on the PowerSDR family, and has been streamlined for use as a panadaptor. You can find pictures and more info here: http://www.telepostinc.com/NaP3.html 73, Matt VK2ACL On 12/09/2012, at 11:52 AM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: NaP3 is a panadapter display program. I know just a little tiny bit about it, such as how to spell it but not much more. On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:48 PM, gdaug...@stanford.edu wrote: NaP3 seems to work well but the display shows vertical lines every 1-2 KHz. I've seen NaP3 references many times, but I'm completely in the dark about what it means. Could somebody clue me in, please? Sodium Phosphide would be Na3P (If it exists)... 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 6-7, 2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
It's a great example of why acronyms are absurd if you want to communicate anything to others outside of an exclusive small group. It's been a problem as long as I've been writing technical literature, which goes back to the 1960's! 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- NaP3 is a panadapter display program. I know just a little tiny bit about it, such as how to spell it but not much more. On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:48 PM, gdaug...@stanford.edu wrote: NaP3 seems to work well but the display shows vertical lines every 1-2 KHz. I've seen NaP3 references many times, but I'm completely in the dark about what it means. Could somebody clue me in, please? Sodium Phosphide would be Na3P (If it exists)... 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 6-7, 2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
I think NAP3 stands for Not A P3 Buck k4ia K3 # 101 KX3 #715 On 9/11/2012 10:46 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: It's a great example of why acronyms are absurd if you want to communicate anything to others outside of an exclusive small group. It's been a problem as long as I've been writing technical literature, which goes back to the 1960's! 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- NaP3 is a panadapter display program. I know just a little tiny bit about it, such as how to spell it but not much more. On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:48 PM, gdaug...@stanford.edu wrote: NaP3 seems to work well but the display shows vertical lines every 1-2 KHz. I've seen NaP3 references many times, but I'm completely in the dark about what it means. Could somebody clue me in, please? Sodium Phosphide would be Na3P (If it exists)... 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 6-7, 2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
NaP3 is more than a panadapter display. It takes the IQ signals from the KX3 and can do all of the filtering and demodulation that shows on the radio's front panel. It can be set up that so that you see a constant bandwidth +/- the point the radio is tuned. Think FlexRadio, but it's KX3 with neat software. 73, Barry K3NDM - Original Message - From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com To: gdaug...@stanford.edu Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:52:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3 NaP3 is a panadapter display program. I know just a little tiny bit about it, such as how to spell it but not much more. On Sep 11, 2012, at 6:48 PM, gdaug...@stanford.edu wrote: NaP3 seems to work well but the display shows vertical lines every 1-2 KHz. I've seen NaP3 references many times, but I'm completely in the dark about what it means. Could somebody clue me in, please? Sodium Phosphide would be Na3P (If it exists)... 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 6-7, 2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + NaP3
Hi, That's exciting! How wide span can you get with that setup? AB2TC - Knut Tony Estep wrote I'm an NaP3 fan, having used it with my K3 for some months. Today, I got the appropriate cable made up and tried the KX3's I-Q outputs to NaP3. Setup took basically zero minutes. I just installed the software, using all the defaults, and started it up. It works great! So far I'm using the built-in sound card in my desktop (Realtek, 192K sampling) with the basic MME driver. I'll experiment with other stuff later, but so far so good. If anyone has thought about trying it but hasn't, I'd say go for it. Big panadapter display, point-n-click tuning, etc. Up to this point, no hassle, and zero cost. Tony KT0NY snip -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-NaP3-tp7558731p7558736.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
