Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Kent A. Reed wrote:
>Gentle persons:
>
>Holy cow! I count eighteen mail digests between my message of just two
>days ago and now. We're really cooking with gas here.
>
>I meant no disrespect to Weber Systems by not mentioning Synergy. It has
>tons of features both on the CAD side and the CAM side and now even
>includes the Parasolid geometry kernel which according to some puts it
>on the side of the angels (unless, of course, you're backing the
>competing ACIS). If you'll look back through EMC-users messages to June,
>you'll see I figured out how to install and run the Synergy version of
>the time on Ubuntu 8.04 despite the libqt issue.
>
>It's just that I thought we were discussing *Free* 3D CADs. Please tell
>me if I'm misunderstanding the Weber Systems message that the free
>evaluation period expires in 30 days. I deleted the whole install after
>playing with it on and off for several weeks and drove on. Now I get the
>impression from Dave Wengall's recent comment that the CAD portion
>remains free??? [I wish, by the way, that Weber Systems would join the
>21st century and put their pricing structure on their website. I
>understand what their website says about this, but, frankly, I'm not
>interested in calling a sales engineer just to find out if there's any
>point in having the conversation.]

My thoughts exactly.  I might pop for a 100 dollar bill in a heartbeat if it 
did what I wanted to do, but at 10x that price, and I understand autocad can 
be 5x that or more for the whole kit, then I'd have zero interest in making 
that phone call.  This is after all, a hobby to me, with only a very slim 
chance of ever making a dime from it, just something to keep me out of the 
bars as they say.

I have an older version that has been installed and looked at when installed, 
but unused for about a year now, so I loaded it up and tried to open an 
example file, but all I could get was the 30 day advisory and the 
intersection markers.  Not even a wire frame was rendered.

There is paranoia, and then there is REAL paranoia.

Interestingly, now the context sensitive help works, which I do not recall its 
working when first installed.  That is/was surprising as its very helpful and 
I'm sure I would have had much better luck learning about it than I did.

Apparently they have no intention of allowing a new bee to install it and 
learn enough about it to do anything productive with it in that 30 day time 
frame.  That is sad, because if I had actually been able to do something 
productive with it in that time frame, I might have wasted a phone call to 
check the pricing for an old fart who might fall over yet today.  I don't 
intend to, but I am now on my 75th trip around this star and I seemed to have 
miss laid my warranty papers. :-)

>Regarding DWG (and DXF), Autodesk has been very coy for 20 years now
>about the technical details and with every new release of AutoCAD both
>DWG and DXF change, sometimes subtly, sometimes not, to accommodate the
>new features. It got to the point that a bunch of folks formed what is
>now called the Open Design Alliance to maintain a stable, accessible
>specification called...wait for it...OpenDWG (see
>http://www.opendwg.org). As a result, creating DWG readers/writers has
>become a less visible issue but you can still crash and burn if you're
>working on the bleeding edge of Autodesk products. I'm hopelessly
>prejudiced, having spent much of my professional life developing and
>promulgating open standards for information exchange, but I think if a
>company's product data are important enough to spend a gazillion bucks
>on software to create it, then it's too important to let the software
>hold the data hostage through the use of unpublished, proprietary data
>exchange formats. It's the information that should be the strategic
>asset of manufacturing companies, not the software they had to buy to
>manipulate it.
>
Agreed 200%

>Next time I promise to talk about something completely different :-)
>
>Cheers,
>Kent

A good rant, thanks.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] Partition problem

[Mark Wendt (Contractor)]

At 10:14 PM 11/4/2008, you wrote:

>This isn't quite true.  Linux doesn't care a bit about spaces in
>filenames, and there are several ways to make sure they're not treated
>as whitespace.  One is to enclose the path in quotes.  The other is to
>escape the spaces with backslashes ( \ ).  Individual escapes are what
>you get when you use tab completion.  (Tab completion is incredibly
>useful by the way, recent Ubuntu and other distributions have much
>better completion, which will give you context-sensitive options for
>many programs - just hit tab twice when typing a command to see what I mean)
>The following two file names are the same:
>/boot/my\ kernels/vmlinuz
>"/boot/my kernels/vmlinuz"

Steve, yes and no.  The OS doesn't care one way or the other, but the 
user's shell sure does.  The shells sh, csh, tcsh, bash, ksh, zsh and 
whatever other shells out there in the *nix world exist all handle 
filenames/directory names with spaces differently.  The old sh shell 
didn't handle them very well at all, but then again, it's just the 
basic bourne shell.  We, as users, wanted our shell environment to be 
able to do a lot more things, like job control, command line 
completion, more complex scripting, and other things, and that's how 
all those other shells came into existence.


> >
>And of course when you're browsing with a GUI, you can drag/drop, right
>click, copy/paste ...

rassafrassin' Winders carry overs...  Command line rules!  So does vi...  ;-)


>- Steve

Mark 


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Re: [Emc-users] Run Keystick Without X

[Jeff Epler]

In emc 2.2.x, the emc script always tries to create a terminal to run
keystick inside.

In the development version, this has been changed.  keystick will start
with DISPLAY unset (I just tested this with configs/sim/keystick.ini).
Here's the main change that made this possible:
http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/scripts/emc.in.diff?r1=1.81;r2=1.82

I don't know for sure if that will apply to 2.2, and I chose not to
apply the change in 2.2 because I did not want to risk breaking the run
scripts for any users for whom it was currently working.

You may also need this change

http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/keystick.cc.diff?r1=1.9;r2=1.10
which I believe fixes an error in keystick at startup due to a kind of
race condition.  I'm pretty sure I didn't apply this to 2.2 either.

Jeff

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[jbraun]

Kent A. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>[I wish, by the way, that Weber Systems would join the 
> 21st century and put their pricing structure on their website. I 
> understand what their website says about this, but, frankly, I'm not 
> interested in calling a sales engineer just to find out if there's any 
> point in having the conversation.]
>

How much does most CAD/CAM cost?  Answer: What are you willing to pay?  I have
no knowledge if Webersys plays this game, but it's common in the industry. Check
any BobCad forum for extreme examples.

Synergy needs a larger web footprint. The thick skulled among us depend on
search engines when baffled. What little I know of EMC and linux was learned
largely from reading the postings of brighter minds. 
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Re: [Emc-users] Run Keystick Without X

[Jeff Epler]

Also, you'll have to specify the inifile directly on the commandline;
the configuration chooser is graphical only.

Jeff

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Stephen Wille Padnos]

jbraun wrote:

>Kent A. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>  
>
>>[I wish, by the way, that Weber Systems would join the 
>>21st century and put their pricing structure on their website. I 
>>understand what their website says about this, but, frankly, I'm not 
>>interested in calling a sales engineer just to find out if there's any 
>>point in having the conversation.]
>>
>How much does most CAD/CAM cost?  Answer: What are you willing to pay?  I have
>no knowledge if Webersys plays this game, but it's common in the industry. 
>Check
>any BobCad forum for extreme examples.
>  
>
(not free, and not natively for Linux, so feel free to stop reading :) )
If they stay in business, then CadMAX  is an 
excellent choice at $295.  It's a full parasolid-based parametric 3D 
modeler.  It can do just about anything SolidWorks can (sheet metal 
bending/unbending being a major exception).

I've had it for a few years, and when I can remember how to use it, it's 
very useful ;)

- Steve


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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Dave Houghton]

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To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD


Kent A. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>[I wish, by the way, that Weber Systems would join the 
> 21st century and put their pricing structure on their website. I 
> understand what their website says about this, but, frankly, I'm not 
> interested in calling a sales engineer just to find out if there's any 
> point in having the conversation.]
>

Hi to Kent

I agree whole heartedly with your comments, this Country - South Africa is
one of the worst in the world not giving prices on their web pages.- Morons-


Best wishes 
Dave


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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Kirk Wallace]

On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 04:04 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
... snip
> This is after all, a hobby to me, with only a very slim 
> chance of ever making a dime from it, just something to keep me out of the 
> bars as they say.

Can those that have a keg installed in the shop refrigerator, that end
up drinking alone, use that saying? :)

> I have an older version that has been installed and looked at when installed, 
> but unused for about a year now, so I loaded it up and tried to open an 
> example file, but all I could get was the 30 day advisory and the 
> intersection markers.  Not even a wire frame was rendered.

The software key has to match the particular PC that you have Synergy
on. If you change PC's you need to call Weber Systems to get a new key
code. I've had to do this a few times. Because I live off of dumpster
PC's, I am constantly "upgrading" my PC's, so this key code can be a
pain.

> There is paranoia, and then there is REAL paranoia.

When you charge this much for software, there is a keen incentive to
copy it. It would be nice to have a version of 3D CAD/CAM targeted to
the hobby/education market with a relaxed software key or even a USB
dongle. I would not mind a $200 price range for a well supported
product.

> Interestingly, now the context sensitive help works, which I do not recall 
> its 
> working when first installed.  That is/was surprising as its very helpful and 
> I'm sure I would have had much better luck learning about it than I did.

If you mean the interactive help side bar (pane) that changes depending
on the mouse pointer focus, there is a button that turns the interactive
help on and off. Off-hand I forget which button it is.

> Apparently they have no intention of allowing a new bee to install it and 
> learn enough about it to do anything productive with it in that 30 day time 
> frame.  That is sad, because if I had actually been able to do something 
> productive with it in that time frame, I might have wasted a phone call to 
> check the pricing for an old fart who might fall over yet today.  I don't 
> intend to, but I am now on my 75th trip around this star and I seemed to have 
> miss laid my warranty papers. :-)
... snip

Printing out and analyzing the demo scripts (/usr/weber/http/playbacks)
helped me allot. (for more see:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Synergy/
)

> >Next time I promise to talk about something completely different :-)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kent
> 
> A good rant, thanks.

Personally, I think sharing anything that is in the vicinity to on-topic
is a good thing. You never know where a hair-brained idea, shared among
hair brains might go.

This missing CAD/CAM part of the Linux CNC work-flow is something I
think about a fair amount. I can't help but think that all of the basic
building blocks are already done and that it is a matter of the right
mix of people deciding that it is worth getting done. What happened to
make today's EMC2 from the base code developed at NIST? Can this process
happen again? I wonder if a Mach-like model is a better way, being
non-free but with semi-open development and community supported?

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Dave Engvall]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:04 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Kent A. Reed wrote:
>> Gentle persons:
>>
>> Holy cow! I count eighteen mail digests between my message of just  
>> two
>> days ago and now. We're really cooking with gas here.
>>
>> I meant no disrespect to Weber Systems by not mentioning Synergy.  
>> It has
>> tons of features both on the CAD side and the CAM side and now even
>> includes the Parasolid geometry kernel which according to some  
>> puts it
>> on the side of the angels (unless, of course, you're backing the
>> competing ACIS). If you'll look back through EMC-users messages to  
>> June,
>> you'll see I figured out how to install and run the Synergy  
>> version of
>> the time on Ubuntu 8.04 despite the libqt issue.
>>
>> It's just that I thought we were discussing *Free* 3D CADs. Please  
>> tell
>> me if I'm misunderstanding the Weber Systems message that the free
>> evaluation period expires in 30 days. I deleted the whole install  
>> after
>> playing with it on and off for several weeks and drove on. Now I  
>> get the
>> impression from Dave Wengall's recent comment that the CAD portion
>> remains free??? [I wish, by the way, that Weber Systems would join  
>> the
>> 21st century and put their pricing structure on their website. I
>> understand what their website says about this, but, frankly, I'm not
>> interested in calling a sales engineer just to find out if there's  
>> any
>> point in having the conversation.]
>
> My thoughts exactly.  I might pop for a 100 dollar bill in a  
> heartbeat if it
> did what I wanted to do, but at 10x that price, and I understand  
> autocad can
> be 5x that or more for the whole kit, then I'd have zero interest  
> in making
> that phone call.  This is after all, a hobby to me, with only a  
> very slim
> chance of ever making a dime from it, just something to keep me out  
> of the
> bars as they say.
>
> I have an older version that has been installed and looked at when  
> installed,
> but unused for about a year now, so I loaded it up and tried to  
> open an
> example file, but all I could get was the 30 day advisory and the
> intersection markers.  Not even a wire frame was rendered.
>
> There is paranoia, and then there is REAL paranoia.
>
> Interestingly, now the context sensitive help works, which I do not  
> recall its
> working when first installed.  That is/was surprising as its very  
> helpful and
> I'm sure I would have had much better luck learning about it than I  
> did.
>
> Apparently they have no intention of allowing a new bee to install  
> it and
> learn enough about it to do anything productive with it in that 30  
> day time
> frame.  That is sad, because if I had actually been able to do  
> something
> productive with it in that time frame, I might have wasted a phone  
> call to
> check the pricing for an old fart who might fall over yet today.  I  
> don't
> intend to, but I am now on my 75th trip around this star and I  
> seemed to have
> miss laid my warranty papers. :-)
>
>> Regarding DWG (and DXF), Autodesk has been very coy for 20 years now
>> about the technical details and with every new release of AutoCAD  
>> both
>> DWG and DXF change, sometimes subtly, sometimes not, to  
>> accommodate the
>> new features. It got to the point that a bunch of folks formed  
>> what is
>> now called the Open Design Alliance to maintain a stable, accessible
>> specification called...wait for it...OpenDWG (see
>> http://www.opendwg.org). As a result, creating DWG readers/writers  
>> has
>> become a less visible issue but you can still crash and burn if  
>> you're
>> working on the bleeding edge of Autodesk products. I'm hopelessly
>> prejudiced, having spent much of my professional life developing and
>> promulgating open standards for information exchange, but I think  
>> if a
>> company's product data are important enough to spend a gazillion  
>> bucks
>> on software to create it, then it's too important to let the software
>> hold the data hostage through the use of unpublished, proprietary  
>> data
>> exchange formats. It's the information that should be the strategic
>> asset of manufacturing companies, not the software they had to buy to
>> manipulate it.
>>
> Agreed 200%
>
>> Next time I promise to talk about something completely different :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kent
>
> A good rant, thanks.

IRRC after the 30 days you email or call Weber Systems and give them  
your serial number which they use as a key
to generate a string which you then enter to give you specific  
permissions. That way if you decide to upgrade later all
you do is pay your money and get the key for more capability. I would  
recommend the email approach because the key
is long and you may have to enter it more than once to get it right.

Dave


>
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Ati

Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Dave Engvall]

On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote:

> I don't mean to take this OT, but I must note the term "sales  
> engineer".
> It's depressing to see people use the title engineer when they likely
> don't design and create systems or infrastructure, or operate a train.
> Perhaps someday the title will be protected like lawyer and doctor
> currently are...
>
> Andy
>
> Kent A. Reed wrote:
>> understand what their website says about this, but, frankly, I'm not
>> interested in calling a sales engineer just to find out if there's  
>> any
>> point in having the conversation.]
>
>
> -- 
> Andy
> PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864

Indeed in today's world engineer get misused a lot. It also seems  
that most people take engineering for granted and don't realize how
much more difficult life would be without it.
BTW - the 'sales engineer' that you are likely to talk to at Weber  
Sys is Bob Schuppel who not only holds a EE degree but is also pretty  
personable.
HTH

Dave

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Kirk Wallace wrote:
>On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 04:04 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>... snip
>
>> This is after all, a hobby to me, with only a very slim
>> chance of ever making a dime from it, just something to keep me out of the
>> bars as they say.
>
>Can those that have a keg installed in the shop refrigerator, that end
>up drinking alone, use that saying? :)

Dunno why not.  Me, I don't drink from a keg or can, too much alu.  So mine 
comes in the usual brown bottles, less alzheimers that way I hope.  And I may 
just move my little fridge, the one I bought to go with when I'm on a job 
someplace, to the shop come warmer weather again.  Someplace to keep my iced 
green tea, along with an end of the day bottle of Michelob Ultra.  Less than 
100 calories, considering I'm diabetic, a somewhat lesser evil than the real 
stuff.

>> I have an older version that has been installed and looked at when
>> installed, but unused for about a year now, so I loaded it up and tried to
>> open an example file, but all I could get was the 30 day advisory and the
>> intersection markers.  Not even a wire frame was rendered.
>
>The software key has to match the particular PC that you have Synergy
>on. If you change PC's you need to call Weber Systems to get a new key
>code. I've had to do this a few times. Because I live off of dumpster
>PC's, I am constantly "upgrading" my PC's, so this key code can be a
>pain.
>
>> There is paranoia, and then there is REAL paranoia.
>
>When you charge this much for software, there is a keen incentive to
>copy it. It would be nice to have a version of 3D CAD/CAM targeted to
>the hobby/education market with a relaxed software key or even a USB
>dongle. I would not mind a $200 price range for a well supported
>product.

Neither would I if I thought I could get that much use out of it although that 
would push the limit since I'm retired & on SS these days.

>> Interestingly, now the context sensitive help works, which I do not recall
>> its working when first installed.  That is/was surprising as its very
>> helpful and I'm sure I would have had much better luck learning about it
>> than I did.
>
>If you mean the interactive help side bar (pane) that changes depending
>on the mouse pointer focus, there is a button that turns the interactive
>help on and off. Off-hand I forget which button it is.
>
>> Apparently they have no intention of allowing a new bee to install it and
>> learn enough about it to do anything productive with it in that 30 day
>> time frame.  That is sad, because if I had actually been able to do
>> something productive with it in that time frame, I might have wasted a
>> phone call to check the pricing for an old fart who might fall over yet
>> today.  I don't intend to, but I am now on my 75th trip around this star
>> and I seemed to have miss laid my warranty papers. :-)
>
>... snip
>
>Printing out and analyzing the demo scripts (/usr/weber/http/playbacks)
>helped me allot. (for more see:
>http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Synergy/
>)
So you obviously have a registered copy.  How much, or what was the price 
range?

>> >Next time I promise to talk about something completely different :-)
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Kent
>>
>> A good rant, thanks.
>
>Personally, I think sharing anything that is in the vicinity to on-topic
>is a good thing. You never know where a hair-brained idea, shared among
>hair brains might go.
>
>This missing CAD/CAM part of the Linux CNC work-flow is something I
>think about a fair amount. I can't help but think that all of the basic
>building blocks are already done and that it is a matter of the right
>mix of people deciding that it is worth getting done. What happened to
>make today's EMC2 from the base code developed at NIST? Can this process
>happen again? I wonder if a Mach-like model is a better way, being
>non-free but with semi-open development and community supported?
>
No idea Kirk.  Those 'cad' programs that are open source, seem mainly to have 
been written by folks intending to make pretty eye candy for the monitor than 
in pursuing a format that can be readily converted into a solid model that 
a 'cam' program can trace and make into machine instructions.

Or at least that's how it seems to me.

There was some pretty fantastic video images built with what was originally an 
Amiga program, called LightWave.  This worked from a wire frame of each and 
every part of the image, like a friend made an image of the 1702-D model 
Enterprise.  It seems to me that the wireframe could be used as a basis for 
carving something like that out of a block of alu, although it would have to 
start as about a 18" cube to do it justice.  Very detailed, just the 
wireframe file was over 20 megs.  I have approached a couple of the linux cad 
authors with the idea that their proggy should be capable of importing that 
format, one said it was doable, but that project then went dormant.  Life got 
in the way I'd assume.

Given t

Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Jon Elson]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>   
>> Gene,
>>   Have you tried https://www.travers.com/?
>>   They have some 5/16 square shank OD thread cutter. brazed
>>   They have many other thread cutters.
>> Stuart
>> 
>
> I did, but even with noscript turned off, the site has enough broken 
> javascript in it that I cannot get to what I think is the correct page.
>
> I suppose I could have then send me a catalog, but being able to shop online 
> makes a lot more sense.  To bad they don't support it well enough to do that.
>   
Well, there is also KBC, MSC, Enco, J&L, and probably some others.  
Doesn't Little Machine Shop
sell smaller tooling for the desktop machines?  I use KBC a lot as they 
are the last one to keep a location in my town, and I save a bundle by 
picking up heavy stuff at their warehouse.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Partition problem

[Jon Elson]

Stephen Wille Padnos wrote:
>
> Note that Ubuntu creates a boot directory in its root partition and does 
> not mount a separate boot partition by default.  It is best to check 
> whether /boot is a separate partition before looking for kernels there, 
> since you're guaranteed to not see any BDI kernels in the Ubuntu root 
> partition.  you can check with the command mount.  This will print a 
> list of complicated entries, but the thing you're looking for is "/boot" 
> in the "mount point" column.
>   
OK, then that boot partition (/dev/sda1) must be his BDI boot 
partition.  Not too clear on what may have been done to the boot block 
when he installed Ubuntu over the BDI.  Probably the only way to boot 
BDI there would be to copy over the boot file, kernel and menu entries 
from /dev/sda1 to the Ubuntu /boot directory.  I'm pretty sure I could 
do this and make it work, I used to be pretty good with grub and lilo 
back when I had real problems with grub under BDI and had to hack 
things.  Haven't needed that level of mucking around since Ubuntu.
>   
>
> This isn't quite true.  Linux doesn't care a bit about spaces in 
> filenames, and there are several ways to make sure they're not treated 
> as whitespace.  
Yeah, it really is just the command line parsing that needs to know 
where the file name ends.


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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Jon Elson]

Andrew Ayre wrote:
> I don't mean to take this OT, but I must note the term "sales engineer". 
> It's depressing to see people use the title engineer when they likely 
> don't design and create systems or infrastructure, or operate a train. 
> Perhaps someday the title will be protected like lawyer and doctor 
> currently are...
>   
Ummm, it may be.  When I meet people, I cannot call myself an "engineer" 
as it is a crime in Missouri (and a LOT of other states) to claim to be 
an engineer unless you have been professionally registered as a "PE".

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Andrew Ayre]

Jon Elson wrote:
> Andrew Ayre wrote:
>> I don't mean to take this OT, but I must note the term "sales engineer". 
>> It's depressing to see people use the title engineer when they likely 
>> don't design and create systems or infrastructure, or operate a train. 
>> Perhaps someday the title will be protected like lawyer and doctor 
>> currently are...
>>   
> Ummm, it may be.  When I meet people, I cannot call myself an "engineer" 
> as it is a crime in Missouri (and a LOT of other states) to claim to be 
> an engineer unless you have been professionally registered as a "PE".
> 
> Jon

Interesting. Here in Ariz. there is no route to becoming a PE for many 
engineering areas. It is primarily for civil engineering. The UK has the 
protected title "Chartered Engineer" but it is voluntary to achieve 
that. Anyone can still call themselves an engineer.

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Carl Helquist]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote:

> ...Here in Ariz. there is no route to becoming a PE for many
> engineering areas
>

You might want to spend some time at this web page:

http://www.btr.state.az.us/default.asp

May not apply to you if you work in an engineering area other than:  
Agriculture, Architectural, Chemical, Civil, Control Systems,  
Electrical, Environmental, Fire Protection, Industrial, Mechanical,  
Metallurgical, Mining, Nuclear, Petroleum, Sanitary.

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[Emc-users] jdi homing

[Claude Froidevaux]

Hi,

This is my first message here, altough there is some times already I'm 
playing with emc2.

I want to make a home (same as "home all" on axis). As much as I look, 
it seem to be the command c.home(-1)... but it didn't work (no error are 
show). When I say it didn't work, my only way to check right now is that 
I get the message "cannot run program when not homed" when I start to 
run my Gcode program later. I unfortunately don't have right now a piece 
of hardware to check wheter to homing is really done or not (and I'm 
quite in a hurry!)

Any help would be appreciated, I'm supposed to make an automated machine 
(1 button only or kinda like, to start/pause/resume, with automatic part 
selection depending on digital inputs), but I have hard time homing the 
machine. (luckily, most of the automated process of machining is working 
already.)

BTW, jdi.py don't work anymore with last trunk of emc2, as home is needed!!

regards,

Claude

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Re: [Emc-users] jdi homing

[Chris Radek]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:56:40PM +0100, Claude Froidevaux wrote:
> 
> I want to make a home (same as "home all" on axis). As much as I look, 
> it seem to be the command c.home(-1)

That's right -- and it works for me.

To check:
s=emc.stat()
s.poll()
print s.homed

Maybe you have added c.home(-1) in the wrong place in jdi.  Maybe you
are not waiting for homing to complete?  Please say exactly what you
have tried...

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[Emc-users] Homing

[Jack Coats]

I heard that Mach3 has a facility to 'home' an axis that has multiple 
stepper motors on it,
designed for gantries with two motors on the X axis, where each leg of 
the gantry has a
home switch.

Ok, finally, the question.  How can we do that with EMC2?  A few hints 
how would be
appreciated.

TIA, Jack

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[Emc-users] internet connection

[Dave Houghton]

-Original Message-

From: Dave Houghton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: 05 November 2008 02:04 PM

To: 'Dave Houghton'

Subject: RE: [Emc-users] Qcad

 

Mark wrote>

 

  You 'SHOULD' be able to plug it in, and have it work.  If it does not, I
quickly googled these things.  I am by far not a expert, but I got mine
working, and it is not officially supported with the default option kernel
driver.  Yours looks like it has been supported since 2.6.20.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei_E220

 

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Huawei/E220

 

If nothing else works, you should be able to modify these instructions to
work
http://www.inorp.com/blog/2007/03/13/ubuntu-guide-to-using-hsdpa-usb-modem-h

uawei-e220-with-the-tre-network/

 

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-705032.html

 

 

If you can't get it to work, I will try to help.

 

Hi Mark

Thanks very much, greatly appreciated.

I'll look at those links. I've also set an Email to the service supplier
requesting info.  

I'll let you know what's happening.

Regards

Dave 

><

Hi everyone

I have changed the subject line from Qcad to Internet Connection, seemed
more appropriate. 

This is where I'm at:

I've plugged the modem in a few times and it is not auto detected. By that I
mean nothing showed on the screen. However after some typing I did get 'now
attached to tty UBS2'. So it knows it there.

I've downloaded the following:

"Vodafone-mobile-connect-card-drive-for-linux-2.0.beta-ubuntu-amd64-installe
r.run".

I need to install it. So need some help please I don't know what directory
to put it in. 

Can anyone help please.

 

Regards

Dave

 

 

 

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[Emc-users] Internet connection

[Dave Houghton]

 

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[Emc-users] Storms in Africa

[Dave Houghton]

Apologies to everyone, had thunderstorms for the last 5 hours, I think the
network here is still ducking and diving.

Regards 

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Re: [Emc-users] Homing

[Chris Radek]

Gantry homing has been discussed quite a few times.  For searching
the archives I prefer to use gmane instead of the sourceforge
archives - url is

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Re: [Emc-users] Partition problem

[Dave Houghton]

Try this :
ls -al /boot
You will see a few files with the name vmlinuz-2.x.xx.   these 
are the Linux kernels - the actual heart of the operating systems.  The 
string of numbers following the vmlinuz is the OS version number.  It 
looks like BDI used a 2.6.12 kernel (mine is 2.6.12.6-magma to be precise)
If you don't see any files like that, it means your kernel is either on 
the /dev/sda5 partition or just gone.

If not a Linux guru, I would not recommend trying to muck about in the 
grub/menu.lst file to resurrect the BDI OS unless you had a really 
strong reason.  So, option 3 is probably the best.

So,  open a terminal window and type :

sudo mkdir /mnt/olddisk
(you may need to give your user password here)
sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/olddisk

You should now be able to see your old BDI file system with commands like :

ls /mnt/olddisk/

You can copy stuff from old to new with commands like :
cd 
cp /mnt/olddisk//  .

Note Linux doesn't actually like spaces in file names, so if any file or 
directory names have spaces in them, the whole path has to be enclosed 
in quotes.  You can copy entire directories with :

cp /mnt/olddisk/xyz/* .

Which will copy all the files in the /xyz directory on the old partition 
to the current directory on the new partition.

There are also utilities like tar that can assemble many files and 
directories into one file (called an archive) for, well, archiving.
cp can also be made to copy trees of many directories from one place to 
another.

Jon
---

Hello Jon

>From 'ls -al /boot' got the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -al /boot
total 15448
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root4096 2008-10-26 15:57 .
drwxr-xr-x 21 root root4096 2008-10-26 15:57 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   78002 2008-04-13 16:59 config-2.6.24-16-rtai
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root4096 2008-10-26 15:57 grub
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 7037544 2008-10-26 15:57 initrd.img-2.6.24-16-rtai
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 6589102 2008-04-24 21:31
initrd.img-2.6.24-16-rtai.bak
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  103204 2007-09-28 12:06 memtest86+.bin
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  755675 2008-04-13 16:59 System.map-2.6.24-16-rtai
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1186608 2008-04-13 16:59 vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-rtai
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

Now with 'ls /mnt/olddisk' I get some directories - boot, dev, home
etc...all in pretty colours. 

Now with 'ls /mnt/olddisk/home/dave  I get some more directories one of
which is emc2.
I'm confused now - why is emc2 in the olddisk, I really did not expect to
see emc2.
I've checked a few things like sda5 ... says '/dev/sda5 is already mounted
on /mnt/olddisk'.
Some more help please.
Best wishes from a stormy SA
Dave








 



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Re: [Emc-users] Run Keystick Without X

[Carl Helquist]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:26 AM, Jeff Epler wrote:

> Also, you'll have to specify the inifile directly on the commandline;
> the configuration chooser is graphical only.
>


With the help of the responses so far I have keystick running in a  
bash shell. For now I haven't applied all of Jon's changes to the emc  
start script. Well, actually a copy called emcnox so I don't mess up  
my currently running set-up. I just commented out the line that  
started xterm and replaced it with sleep 2; and $EMC2_BIN_DIR/keystick  
-ini $INIFILE. Can anyone tell me why the sleep 2; is required? I was  
stuck until I added that line.

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jon Elson wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>>> Gene,
>>>   Have you tried https://www.travers.com/?
>>>   They have some 5/16 square shank OD thread cutter. brazed
>>>   They have many other thread cutters.
>>> Stuart
>>
>> I did, but even with noscript turned off, the site has enough broken
>> javascript in it that I cannot get to what I think is the correct page.
>>
>> I suppose I could have then send me a catalog, but being able to shop
>> online makes a lot more sense.  To bad they don't support it well enough
>> to do that.
>
>Well, there is also KBC, MSC, Enco, J&L, and probably some others.
>Doesn't Little Machine Shop
>sell smaller tooling for the desktop machines?

Yes, but his selection is still limited, and while low priced generally, the 
old adage about getting what you pay for comes to mind.

And I finally remembered the name of my toolset, Glanz.  Inserts are from 
a 'V' name IIRC.  Velleman maybe?  And I've got MSC catalogs, but Hennley 
beats their prices everytime.  And I'm not familiar with the remaining names.

>I use KBC a lot as they 
>are the last one to keep a location in my town, and I save a bundle by
>picking up heavy stuff at their warehouse.

I assume they have a web page?

Thanks.

>Jon
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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jon Elson wrote:
>Andrew Ayre wrote:
>> I don't mean to take this OT, but I must note the term "sales engineer".
>> It's depressing to see people use the title engineer when they likely
>> don't design and create systems or infrastructure, or operate a train.
>> Perhaps someday the title will be protected like lawyer and doctor
>> currently are...
>
>Ummm, it may be.  When I meet people, I cannot call myself an "engineer"
>as it is a crime in Missouri (and a LOT of other states) to claim to be
>an engineer unless you have been professionally registered as a "PE".
>
And that should be tested in court, soonest.  I may not be a registered "PE" 
engineer, and I don't know where to hit the boiler with a hammer to make it 
work again as in that joke, but I am very well respected as an engineer in my 
field, broadcasting.  I have a grandfathered to general, formerly a FCC 1st 
phone license, and I am a C.E.T., registered in Nebraska as #118.  If I 
should become the Chief Engineer at some tv station in MO, I will not stand 
idly by and be prosecuted for claiming to be what I have been doing for a 
living since 1964.

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[BRIAN GLACKIN]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Andrew Ayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't mean to take this OT, but I must note the term "sales engineer".
> It's depressing to see people use the title engineer when they likely
> don't design and create systems or infrastructure, or operate a train.
> Perhaps someday the title will be protected like lawyer and doctor
> currently are...
>
> Andy
>

Depending upon the state, (PA for one does), they liscense professional
engineers and will go after those that both practice (in the state) and use
the term "engineer" in thier title when they do not have the "P.E." after
thier name.

I had the unfortunate experience of this when my former company's
designation for my position included "engineer".  I received a email from a
state regulator (who was a PE) informing me of the state regs and he CC'd
the state liscensure board.  Needless to say, I corrected my title and am in
the process (5 years in PA) of getting those extra letters after my name.

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Andre' Blanchard]

At 05:00 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >Well, there is also KBC, MSC, Enco, J&L, and probably some others.
> >Doesn't Little Machine Shop
> >sell smaller tooling for the desktop machines?
>
>Yes, but his selection is still limited, and while low priced generally, the
>old adage about getting what you pay for comes to mind.
>
>And I finally remembered the name of my toolset, Glanz.  Inserts are from
>a 'V' name IIRC.  Velleman maybe?  And I've got MSC catalogs, but Hennley
>beats their prices everytime.  And I'm not familiar with the remaining names.
>
> >I use KBC a lot as they
> >are the last one to keep a location in my town, and I save a bundle by
> >picking up heavy stuff at their warehouse.
>
>I assume they have a web page?
>
>Thanks.
>
> >Jon

The travers web site works OK with the latest version of windows explorer 
but they have a long way to go to get to McMaster Carr's level for on line 
catalog.
There paper catalog does have a lot of handy information on insert part 
number decoding, grades, coatings, speeds and feeds etc..

If you good tooling to use in a small lathe look at tools that are ment for 
swiss type turning machines.
Like this.
http://www.whizcut.se/applications_swiss_automatics.html

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Andrew Ayre]

Carl Helquist wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote:
> 
>> ...Here in Ariz. there is no route to becoming a PE for many
>> engineering areas
>>
> 
> You might want to spend some time at this web page:
> 
> http://www.btr.state.az.us/default.asp
> 
> May not apply to you if you work in an engineering area other than:  
> Agriculture, Architectural, Chemical, Civil, Control Systems,  
> Electrical, Environmental, Fire Protection, Industrial, Mechanical,  
> Metallurgical, Mining, Nuclear, Petroleum, Sanitary.
> 
> Carl Helquist

Yep, and my area is not covered.

Andy

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Jim Fleig - CNC Services]

And I've got MSC catalogs, but Hennley
>beats their prices everytime.

I tried Googling Hennley and Henley but still did not find a source of 
cutters.

Jim



- Original Message - 
From: "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting


> At 05:00 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Well, there is also KBC, MSC, Enco, J&L, and probably some others.
>> >Doesn't Little Machine Shop
>> >sell smaller tooling for the desktop machines?
>>
>>Yes, but his selection is still limited, and while low priced generally, 
>>the
>>old adage about getting what you pay for comes to mind.
>>
>>And I finally remembered the name of my toolset, Glanz.  Inserts are from
>>a 'V' name IIRC.  Velleman maybe?  And I've got MSC catalogs, but Hennley
>>beats their prices everytime.  And I'm not familiar with the remaining 
>>names.
>>
>> >I use KBC a lot as they
>> >are the last one to keep a location in my town, and I save a bundle by
>> >picking up heavy stuff at their warehouse.
>>
>>I assume they have a web page?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>> >Jon
>
> The travers web site works OK with the latest version of windows explorer
> but they have a long way to go to get to McMaster Carr's level for on line
> catalog.
> There paper catalog does have a lot of handy information on insert part
> number decoding, grades, coatings, speeds and feeds etc..
>
> If you good tooling to use in a small lathe look at tools that are ment 
> for
> swiss type turning machines.
> Like this.
> http://www.whizcut.se/applications_swiss_automatics.html
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jim Fleig - CNC Services wrote:
>And I've got MSC catalogs, but Hennley
>
>>beats their prices everytime.
>
>I tried Googling Hennley and Henley but still did not find a source of
>cutters.
>
>Jim
>
I may not have spelled it correctly, and their catalog is out in the shop, 
where I'm not going yet tonight.

I had the driveway blacktopped today, and helping the crew had me climbing my 
retaining wall a few times and I popped something in my left knee that is 
reminding me of its presence anytime I let it.  That knee isn't the strongest 
joint, and has been easily dislocatable for the last 40 years.  I do it so 
often I don't pay a lot of attention as long as I have room to straighten it 
out when it happens, which puts it back in place and 15 seconds later I'm 
walking on it again, usually without a limp.  But this has me limping quite a 
bit.  So I'm not stressing it much till in the morning again if I can help 
it.  It has become a bit of a nuisance though and I'm mulling it over as to 
whether or not its worth pricing a replacement, betting I'd live long enough 
to get some good use out of it.  Being diabetic throws some uncertainty into 
the formula.  If I wind up using a cane, I'll do like one of my operators at 
the transmitter.  An old nam vet, one of his legs is starting to unravel a 
bit, so the other night he introduced me to his friend John, "mah cane". :-)

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[Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 HAL driver

[Roberto Caminiti]

Hello,
i have downloaded the last version of EMC2 and inside it there is the
hm2_5i20.ko driver,
but, unfortunately, this driver have a lot of limitations. I want to
use this board for his stepgen modules.
For example: maximum vel, maximum speed, maximum acceleration is not settable.
I see that now there's a new driver, called hm2_pci.ko, but i don't find it!
I have found the hm2_pci.c and .h in the CVS but I can't compile it (I
don't know how to do it...)
I have tryed to compile all the src folder by his "makefile" but the
compiler told me a lot of errors... i don't know...
If there's someone that have the last version of this driver (already
compiled in .ko) please send me it.
Thank you!
Robertz
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Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 HAL driver

[Sebastian Kuzminsky]

Roberto Caminiti wrote:
> Hello,
> i have downloaded the last version of EMC2 and inside it there is the
> hm2_5i20.ko driver,
> but, unfortunately, this driver have a lot of limitations. I want to
> use this board for his stepgen modules.
> For example: maximum vel, maximum speed, maximum acceleration is not settable.
> I see that now there's a new driver, called hm2_pci.ko, but i don't find it!
> I have found the hm2_pci.c and .h in the CVS but I can't compile it (I
> don't know how to do it...)
> I have tryed to compile all the src folder by his "makefile" but the
> compiler told me a lot of errors... i don't know...
> If there's someone that have the last version of this driver (already
> compiled in .ko) please send me it.
> Thank you!
> Robertz
> Italy

Hi there, what you are attempting to do is called "compiling from 
source".  The instructions for how to do it depend on how you have 
installed EMC2 on your computer.

This webpage would be a good place to start:




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Re: [Emc-users] Run Keystick Without X

[Jeff Epler]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 03:56:59PM -0700, Carl Helquist wrote:
> With the help of the responses so far I have keystick running in a  
> bash shell. For now I haven't applied all of Jon's changes to the emc  
> start script. Well, actually a copy called emcnox so I don't mess up  
> my currently running set-up. I just commented out the line that  
> started xterm and replaced it with sleep 2; and $EMC2_BIN_DIR/keystick  
> -ini $INIFILE. Can anyone tell me why the sleep 2; is required? I was  
> stuck until I added that line.

emc is made up of several smaller programs.  there's no guarantee which
one will become ready first.  in emc 2.2, keystick fails if it becomes
ready before the part known as "milltask".  the "sleep 2" makes it
almost always become ready second, at an expense of adding two seconds
to the startup time.

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Re: [Emc-users] Partition problem

[Jon Elson]

Dave Houghton wrote:
>
> >From 'ls -al /boot' got the following:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -al /boot
>   

> w-r--r--  1 root root 1186608 2008-04-13 16:59 vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-rtai
>   
OK, that is definitely NOT your BDI kernel, but it must be an 8.04 
kernel.  I don't have that running here.
This is pretty much what we expected.  If you were to mount sda1 onto 
/mnt/olddisk and look in the /mnt/olddisk/boot directory, you would 
likely find your BDI kernel, with a lower version number, probably 2.6.12
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
>
> Now with 'ls /mnt/olddisk' I get some directories - boot, dev, home
> etc...all in pretty colours. 
>
> Now with 'ls /mnt/olddisk/home/dave  I get some more directories one of
> which is emc2.
> I'm confused now - why is emc2 in the olddisk, I really did not expect to
> see emc2.
>   
This is everything that was part of the EMC2 install that was on your 
BDI system.  So, of course, it has your OLD emc directory.
You have TWO COMPLETE, but DIFFERENT file systems on your hard drive, in 
different partitions.  One is old, from the BDI system (sda1) and one is 
newer, from your Ubuntu system (sda5).  Much of what is on the old 
partition is obsolete.  the only thing in the emc2 directory that might 
be useful is the ini file that you actually used on your machine.  Don't 
just copy it over, as a lot of stuff has changes, such as the 
introduction of HAL  But, you might want to print out a copy of it to 
save the variables you set up for your machine.  Any CNC files for parts 
you might want to make again, or any other custom software or G-code 
shoudl be copied over to your user directory on the Ubuntu system.
> I've checked a few things like sda5 ... says '/dev/sda5 is already mounted
> on /mnt/olddisk'.
>   
I thought sda5 would be your Ubuntu system's main directory tree.  I 
would have expected it to be mounted to /, not /mnt/olddisk.
But, maybe it is /dev/sda2 that is the Ubuntu main file system.
If you just type
ls /

You will see a simlar directory tree, and it will ALSO have an emc2 
directory, that is your NEW EMC2 directory as part of the Ubuntu install.
They will have almost exactly the same file names, but some will have 
newer dates - those would be the files updated since the BDI.

You can find out what is mounted where by looking at /etc/fstab, with a 
command like :
more /etc/fstab

The first column is usually the /dev/xxx partition id, although it can 
also be the volume label of the FS.  The second column is the mount 
point, like /mnt/olddisk, or / for the system's main file system.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Jon Elson]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jon Elson wrote:
>   
>>
>> Well, there is also KBC, MSC, Enco, J&L, and probably some others.
>> Doesn't Little Machine Shop
>> sell smaller tooling for the desktop machines?
>> 
>
> Yes, but his selection is still limited, and while low priced generally, the 
> old adage about getting what you pay for comes to mind.
>
>   
KBC, MSC and J&L at least, don't sell schlock.  They have name-brand 
cutting tools, and I've only had a problem with something I bought from 
one of them, ONE time.  They were really skeptical when I asked to send 
back a pair of $25 ea. end mill holders and told them they were WA 
off center, so visibly out that I spotted it when unwrapping them!  Once 
they had them back, they replaced them immediately, no charge for 
shipping, and called to apologize for the manufacturer's bad QC.  I've 
never bought from LMC, so I can't comment on that.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Jon Elson]

Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> And that should be tested in court, soonest.  I may not be a registered "PE" 
> engineer, and I don't know where to hit the boiler with a hammer to make it 
> work again as in that joke, but I am very well respected as an engineer in my 
> field, broadcasting.  I have a grandfathered to general, formerly a FCC 1st 
> phone license, and I am a C.E.T., registered in Nebraska as #118.  If I 
> should become the Chief Engineer at some tv station in MO, I will not stand 
> idly by and be prosecuted for claiming to be what I have been doing for a 
> living since 1964.
>   
You have a FEDERAL license to practice your art!  The states CANNOT 
touch you, period!
And, your license even STATES you ARE an "engineer", so you can hang you 
shingle as proudly as an doctor, DDS, etc.

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Jon Elson]

Andre' Blanchard wrote:
> At 05:00 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
>   
>>
>>> I use KBC a lot as they
>>> are the last one to keep a location in my town, and I save a bundle by
>>> picking up heavy stuff at their warehouse.
>>>   
>> I assume they have a web page?
>> 
YEs, and a decent on-line catalog, too.
http://www.kbctools.com/

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Dave Engvall]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Jim Fleig - CNC Services wrote:

> And I've got MSC catalogs, but Hennley
>> beats their prices everytime.
>
> I tried Googling Hennley and Henley but still did not find a source of
> cutters.
>
> Jim

Try hemly  tool

www.hemlytool.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting
>
>
>> At 05:00 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:

 Well, there is also KBC, MSC, Enco, J&L, and probably some others.
 Doesn't Little Machine Shop
 sell smaller tooling for the desktop machines?
>>>
>>> Yes, but his selection is still limited, and while low priced  
>>> generally,
>>> the
>>> old adage about getting what you pay for comes to mind.
>>>
>>> And I finally remembered the name of my toolset, Glanz.  Inserts  
>>> are from
>>> a 'V' name IIRC.  Velleman maybe?  And I've got MSC catalogs, but  
>>> Hennley
>>> beats their prices everytime.  And I'm not familiar with the  
>>> remaining
>>> names.
>>>
 I use KBC a lot as they
 are the last one to keep a location in my town, and I save a  
 bundle by
 picking up heavy stuff at their warehouse.
>>>
>>> I assume they have a web page?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
 Jon
>>
>> The travers web site works OK with the latest version of windows  
>> explorer
>> but they have a long way to go to get to McMaster Carr's level for  
>> on line
>> catalog.
>> There paper catalog does have a lot of handy information on insert  
>> part
>> number decoding, grades, coatings, speeds and feeds etc..
>>
>> If you good tooling to use in a small lathe look at tools that are  
>> ment
>> for
>> swiss type turning machines.
>> Like this.
>> http://www.whizcut.se/applications_swiss_automatics.html
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jon Elson wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jon Elson wrote:
>>> Well, there is also KBC, MSC, Enco, J&L, and probably some others.
>>> Doesn't Little Machine Shop
>>> sell smaller tooling for the desktop machines?
>>
>> Yes, but his selection is still limited, and while low priced generally,
>> the old adage about getting what you pay for comes to mind.
>
>KBC, MSC and J&L at least, don't sell schlock.  They have name-brand
>cutting tools, and I've only had a problem with something I bought from
>one of them, ONE time.  They were really skeptical when I asked to send
>back a pair of $25 ea. end mill holders and told them they were WA
>off center, so visibly out that I spotted it when unwrapping them!  Once
>they had them back, they replaced them immediately, no charge for
>shipping, and called to apologize for the manufacturer's bad QC.  I've
>never bought from LMC, so I can't comment on that.
>
>Jon
>
The update stuff for a machine that he sells is pretty good stuff.  I got the 
bigger table kits for the mill from Chris, and everything worked well.  I got 
the bigger chucks for the lathe from him too, and they worked well.  But the 
cutting tools are only so-so.  And when I stripped the threads out of the top 
of the compound on the carriage trying to keep the phase II quick change 
toolpost to stay put, that replacement part was about 10 thou narrower and I 
had a heck of a time fitting that, no gib adjustment screws are touching the 
gib strips and the drive screw is quite hard to turn even after a years 
further use.  That thread failure was compounded by the phase II being a bit 
taller which makes the hold down bolt too short, so I found a new bolt about 
5 threads longer.  Now I can honk down on the bolt which crushes the hollow 
grind I put in the bottom of the phase II, which makes that part pretty rigid 
when pulled down well.  That doesn't really fix that lathe though, the bed 
casting alloy has way too much rubber in it.  I am looking at the Grizzly 
with the 26" bed, trying to justify the bucks cuz I'll have to get all new 
tooling too.  OTOH, its big enough to carry some of Jeffs 425 motors and do 
real work if adequate coolant can be rigged.

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jon Elson wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> And that should be tested in court, soonest.  I may not be a registered
>> "PE" engineer, and I don't know where to hit the boiler with a hammer to
>> make it work again as in that joke, but I am very well respected as an
>> engineer in my field, broadcasting.  I have a grandfathered to general,
>> formerly a FCC 1st phone license, and I am a C.E.T., registered in
>> Nebraska as #118.  If I should become the Chief Engineer at some tv
>> station in MO, I will not stand idly by and be prosecuted for claiming to
>> be what I have been doing for a living since 1964.
>
>You have a FEDERAL license to practice your art!  The states CANNOT
>touch you, period!
>And, your license even STATES you ARE an "engineer", so you can hang you
>shingle as proudly as an doctor, DDS, etc.
>
>Jon

Strangely, the commish doesn't call us engineers any more, but operators, with 
the chief being required to have a letter of appointment from the Owner or GM 
appointing him the "Chief Operator".  This is how the commish establishes the 
chain of command when cites are issued.  We are the person responsible for 
technical compliance, and I have used that fact to tell the GM he can't do 
such and such even if he does sign my paycheck.  Its taken a copy of 47CFR 
tossed on his desk a couple of times, but that's to be expected when dealing 
with sales types I guess. :(

That C.E.T. certificate and wallet card says that I do know what I'm talking 
about with a lot more validity than the fcc's "General Radio-telephone" 
license does AFAIAC, that test is much much more technical than the old 4 
part 1st phone test, it was 2 parts law and 2 parts simple technical.  
Kalifornia for instance requires that the owner of an electronics service 
business also be a C.E.T., and this weeds out 90% of the fast buck folks.  
But I've not noted a general trend in that direction for most states.

That stands for "Certified Electronics Technician", and is part of the 
National Electronics Association for admin purposes.

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jon Elson wrote:
>Andre' Blanchard wrote:
>> At 05:00 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
 I use KBC a lot as they
 are the last one to keep a location in my town, and I save a bundle by
 picking up heavy stuff at their warehouse.
>>>
>>> I assume they have a web page?
>
>YEs, and a decent on-line catalog, too.
>http://www.kbctools.com/
>
>Jon

Thanks Jon, bookmarked.

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Re: [Emc-users] Thread cutting

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Dave Engvall wrote:
>On Nov 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Jim Fleig - CNC Services wrote:
>> And I've got MSC catalogs, but Hennley
>>
>>> beats their prices everytime.
>>
>> I tried Googling Hennley and Henley but still did not find a source of
>> cutters.
>>
>> Jim
>
>Try hemly  tool
>
>www.hemlytool.com
>
That is the one I was thinking about, but the web page has been redesigned by 
somebody who doesn't know how, making it more difficult to find the mills I 
might want.  They are good mills though.

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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Kirk Wallace]

On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 13:27 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Kirk Wallace wrote:
... snip
>  I would not mind a $200 price range for a well supported
> >product.
> 
> Neither would I if I thought I could get that much use out of it
> although that would push the limit since I'm retired & on SS these
> days.

Even on a hobby basis, this could be recouped with a few runs of a
specialty part. I just wish I could think of a part to make that would
sell. Years back I made some gland nuts/bearing mounts for a 19
o'something Spad. They were fun to make, but there isn't much call for
these on eBay.

... snip
> So you obviously have a registered copy.  How much, or what was the
> price range?

My mind is like a steel trap trying to hold water. I bought it quite a
few years ago and can't remember what I paid.

... snip
> No idea Kirk.  Those 'cad' programs that are open source, seem mainly
> to have been written by folks intending to make pretty eye candy for
> the monitor than in pursuing a format that can be readily converted
> into a solid model that a 'cam' program can trace and make into
> machine instructions.
> 
> Or at least that's how it seems to me.

I agree, but I wonder if enough of the basic functions are there and
reusable?

... snip
> Given the complexity of that, my guess is that it probably will never
> be done as purely free software, so we may as well resign ourselves to
> making the hat they pass a little heavier on its way by us.  The
> question then becomes, can they do it for what we can collectively
> pay?

I am hoping that an openCAM project can be broken into small enough
parts that each part would be easy for a small group to complete. I
recall from someone talking about the energy problem, (paraphrasing)
"it's worth pursuing ten percent solutions, because if you have ten of
them, you've solved the problem".

Kirk


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Re: [Emc-users] [EMC-users] Free 3D CADs on Linux WAS: BRL-CAD

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 06 November 2008, Kirk Wallace wrote:
>On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 13:27 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Kirk Wallace wrote:
>
>... snip
>
>>  I would not mind a $200 price range for a well supported
>>
>> >product.
>>
>> Neither would I if I thought I could get that much use out of it
>> although that would push the limit since I'm retired & on SS these
>> days.
>
>Even on a hobby basis, this could be recouped with a few runs of a
>specialty part. I just wish I could think of a part to make that would
>sell. Years back I made some gland nuts/bearing mounts for a 19
>o'something Spad. They were fun to make, but there isn't much call for
>these on eBay.
>
>... snip
>
>> So you obviously have a registered copy.  How much, or what was the
>> price range?
>
>My mind is like a steel trap trying to hold water. I bought it quite a
>few years ago and can't remember what I paid.
>
>... snip
>
>> No idea Kirk.  Those 'cad' programs that are open source, seem mainly
>> to have been written by folks intending to make pretty eye candy for
>> the monitor than in pursuing a format that can be readily converted
>> into a solid model that a 'cam' program can trace and make into
>> machine instructions.
>>
>> Or at least that's how it seems to me.
>
>I agree, but I wonder if enough of the basic functions are there and
>reusable?
>
>... snip
>
>> Given the complexity of that, my guess is that it probably will never
>> be done as purely free software, so we may as well resign ourselves to
>> making the hat they pass a little heavier on its way by us.  The
>> question then becomes, can they do it for what we can collectively
>> pay?
>
>I am hoping that an openCAM project can be broken into small enough
>parts that each part would be easy for a small group to complete. I
>recall from someone talking about the energy problem, (paraphrasing)
>"it's worth pursuing ten percent solutions, because if you have ten of
>them, you've solved the problem".
>
>Kirk

Chuckle, I like that, as long as we don't have 3 copies of page one, 5 of page 
3, and 2 of page 9 to make up that 10.  And that is an approximation of the 
situation now I believe. :( 

Back to bed.

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Re: [Emc-users] Homing

[Rob Jansen]

Jack Coats wrote:
> I heard that Mach3 has a facility to 'home' an axis that has multiple stepper 
> motors on it,
> designed for gantries with two motors on the X axis, where each leg of the 
> gantry has ahome switch.
>
> Ok, finally, the question.  How can we do that with EMC2?  A few hints how 
> would beappreciated
Gmane mailing list archives - but it took me some time to find my own 
posts again ...

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/6158/match=

was one of my posts on this subject.


During homing EMC reaches the home switch, backs off and then very 
slowly goes back to home until home is found.
You can do this in EMC (using classic ladder) but then you need 2 step 
outputs for both axis, I preferred some simple logic gates.
In simple boolean text notation I found the following solution:

home_en1 = dir OR NOT home1
home_en2 = dir OR NOT home2
step_1 = step AND home_en1
step_2 = step AND home_en2
home = ( ( home1 AND home2 ) AND NOT dir ) OR ( ( home 1 OR home2 )
AND dir )

dir is 0 in the homing direction, the home_en signals are only true as 
long as the motor is moving away from homing or (towards homing) while 
the home switch is not active.
So there are only step signals when moving away from home or when the 
switch is not activated.

The home signal (towards EMC) will only be active when both home1 and 
home2 switches are triggered when moving towards the home switched but 
when moving away from the home position it will move away until both 
switches have disengaged.

So in this way, both motors will be homed but as soon as one of the 
motors reaches its home position it will stop. EMC will continue driving 
the other motor.
When both motors are 'homed' they may actually have traveled too far (a 
bit) due to the ramp down. Now EMC will get the motors away from their 
home position (both motors) and then slowly go back until (both) motors 
are homed again.
I have forgotten how this homing sequence is called, it should be in 
section 6 of the user manual but somehow in the current manual on wiki 
this chapter got replaced by "keystick" ...

Please note that this homing sequence only works for a home position at 
the limit of the machine outside the normal working area of the mill. It 
does not work for a home position within the working area (since the 
motors will be stopped by hardware or HAL).

If someone converts this into classic ladder code, I could change my 
setup and test the classic ladder version.
It could then be placed in the wiki as a reference to others.

Regards,

Rob


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