Re: [Emc-users] m7i43... Peter, Sebastian, Stuart, John, Ted, Jim, Keneth, Rafael, Eric, Chris... and all the other people around there if i'm missing someone.
Richard Acosta wrote: > well.. being 3.43AM, and some minutes since my last message. > I can't believe this. > > I waked up from my bed, turned on the computer, came back to bed and > connected using VNC from the laptop to make a test and post the debug > info correctly this time if i could and even capture a motion screen to > show you. > I say to people many times, sleep over it. Magic will solve your problems :-) Done that many times. I was going to answer one of other emails but this one is way easier to deal with. > Since today i was playing around with the config files and didn't kept a > backup i just downloaded again Ted's Files from the message he sent me. > I just put them on a folder, then throw the folder from my home folder > to the home in the other computer. > > They just worked fine from the first try and i'm watching the 3D etch a > sketch > > I just can't understand what happened before if they were the exact same > files, i think thet if i was using windows when downloaded the last time > shouldn't be the problem. (hope so) > It's possible that ugly CRLF conversion happened during 'save as text or some such. I don't know if EMC cares about that but still like to tell people, to not use windows to mess with Linux/Unix config files. > I'm very sorry, people, i can just feel very embarrassed about this, i > can only think that there were something wrong when copied files the > first time... it seems to load the firmware correctly now, and lights go > on then off while loading EMC2. > > Well, if someone any time comes to my country i compromise myself to pay > you beer until your chin reaches the floor, or Wine if that's chosen. > Or, maybe a good Asado (and red wine). > > Thanks, i'm very very sorry and embarrassed now, i guess i will keep in > bed until 2009 kicks my butt, to see if i can take the stress out of my > head, and let you breath again pacefully without having to read my > capitals, complains and stuff. > I'm glad to see you make progress and fell better about the whole thing. > Greetings to all of you, have a great 2009, and so much more. Same to you. And send some pictures of stuff you or your partner will be working on. Remember some of us are still behind of you. -- Rafael -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] m7i43... Peter, Sebastian, Stuart, John, Ted, Jim, Keneth, Rafael, Eric, Chris... and all the other people around there if i'm missing someone.
Richard, muchas gracias :) thank you - don't hesitate to come back for help and don't hesitate to help when you can Stuart On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Richard Acosta wrote: > well.. being 3.43AM, and some minutes since my last message. > I can't believe this. > > I waked up from my bed, turned on the computer, came back to bed and > connected using VNC from the laptop to make a test and post the debug > info correctly this time if i could and even capture a motion screen to > show you. > > Since today i was playing around with the config files and didn't kept a > backup i just downloaded again Ted's Files from the message he sent me. > I just put them on a folder, then throw the folder from my home folder > to the home in the other computer. > > They just worked fine from the first try and i'm watching the 3D etch a > sketch > > I just can't understand what happened before if they were the exact same > files, i think thet if i was using windows when downloaded the last time > shouldn't be the problem. (hope so) > > I'm very sorry, people, i can just feel very embarrassed about this, i > can only think that there were something wrong when copied files the > first time... it seems to load the firmware correctly now, and lights go > on then off while loading EMC2. > > Well, if someone any time comes to my country i compromise myself to pay > you beer until your chin reaches the floor, or Wine if that's chosen. > Or, maybe a good Asado (and red wine). > > Thanks, i'm very very sorry and embarrassed now, i guess i will keep in > bed until 2009 kicks my butt, to see if i can take the stress out of my > head, and let you breath again pacefully without having to read my > capitals, complains and stuff. > > > > Greetings to all of you, have a great 2009, and so much more. > -- > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] m7i43... Peter, Sebastian, Stuart, John, Ted, Jim, Keneth, Rafael, Eric, Chris... and all the other people around there if i'm missing someone.
well.. being 3.43AM, and some minutes since my last message. I can't believe this. I waked up from my bed, turned on the computer, came back to bed and connected using VNC from the laptop to make a test and post the debug info correctly this time if i could and even capture a motion screen to show you. Since today i was playing around with the config files and didn't kept a backup i just downloaded again Ted's Files from the message he sent me. I just put them on a folder, then throw the folder from my home folder to the home in the other computer. They just worked fine from the first try and i'm watching the 3D etch a sketch I just can't understand what happened before if they were the exact same files, i think thet if i was using windows when downloaded the last time shouldn't be the problem. (hope so) I'm very sorry, people, i can just feel very embarrassed about this, i can only think that there were something wrong when copied files the first time... it seems to load the firmware correctly now, and lights go on then off while loading EMC2. Well, if someone any time comes to my country i compromise myself to pay you beer until your chin reaches the floor, or Wine if that's chosen. Or, maybe a good Asado (and red wine). Thanks, i'm very very sorry and embarrassed now, i guess i will keep in bed until 2009 kicks my butt, to see if i can take the stress out of my head, and let you breath again pacefully without having to read my capitals, complains and stuff. Greetings to all of you, have a great 2009, and so much more. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Richard Acosta wrote: >[snip] > >No John... i'm not wrong, i think you don't understand me. > >I said.. >1) when using Ted Hyde's files, i got the dmesg ending with "unknown >command line xx" always talking about the same line on the same file >every time the same since 2.2.6, then 2.2.7, and... now, 2.2.8 >This was the error Peter and Sebastian said was because there is problem >on loading firmware, and, now, using 2.2.8 i repeat, i think there must >be something about the firmware load... this because when using the old >hostmot(1?) driver lights went off, then on in certaing order, but now, >using the Ted's files, lights don even go off, they just stay on. >When i power on the computer, lights go on... and they stay that way >even when starting EMC2. > >Also i said, >2)that when using the sample provided with 2.2.8 install (also from Ted >but came with the program as a sample), there came the other two errors, >wich appeared on small windows with an accept button. > AND the lights go off, but they dont turn on again. > >Two diferent scenarios, one with the files Ted provided me directly, and >the other using he sample files that come with 2.2.8. > > In case you don't know this, when you upgrade EMC2, nothing changes in the configs in your home directory. If you have copied any of the sample configs, or placed Ted Hyde's config files anywhere, then nothing you do with apt-get, including remove --purge then reinstall, will remove or change those files. I just noticed the email where you mention that purging says "removing config files" - this is the sample configs, *not* any configs you have created or copied to your home directory (under ~/emc2/configs/). There are several files that make up a complete config: the ini file, the HAL files, the .var and .nml files, and any other accessory files you may have, such as pyvcp files. I don't know if you have posted the complete config yet, and it really doesn't matter - we need to see it again, along with the messages that specific config generates. You really should run from a command line, as others have suggested. It's simple - run a terminal (Applications / Accessories / Terminal) and type "emc", and you'll be presented with the graphical config picker just as though you had run from the Applications menu. The main difference is that you will actually see some debugging messages. It is very strange that you get an error on the axis splash file, since nearly every EMC2 user sees that when they start EMC2. I can only think of two ways for that error to occur: 1, your file is corrupt or 2, you have EMC2 configured with no X axis. Please post the first 20 or so lines of that file - you can stick them in an email or put them on pastebin, whichever works better for you. You don't need to include the whole file, just the first 20 lines will do since they contain line 10, which is where the error occurs. - Steve -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Stuart, i'm sorry, there is a mistake, somewhere on my pastebin posts... sorry, but will check that before give you an answer. El 22/12/2008 02:33 a.m., Stuart Stevenson escribió: > Richard, >You do NOT understand! The messages you type do not agree with the > posts you send. You must make sure the information you send is good > information. It is YOUR responsibility to answer correct. You MUST > make sure the information you send is the information that answers the > question asked. >If the information you sent was the information that answered the > question then the question would not have been repeated. >Did you look at the three posts Seb listed? Do the posts answer the > questions you were asked? > >Yelling at people with "IT DOES NOT WORK..." does not send any > information that is helpful. > > Stuart > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Richard Acosta wrote: > >> El 21/12/2008 11:47 p.m., Kenneth Lerman escribió: >> >>> Have it your way. Don't post it again. If you don't care enough to find >>> the posting and post it again, why should anyone else care enough to go >>> searching for your previous posting? >>> >>> >> Where would i find my postings if i don't receive my own messages even >> if i configured my account to send me a copy of my own messages?... >> I can follow the line of the discusion upwards and read every message >> until the first one, but my own are not here, so... if you ask me to >> find something you posted, or the files Ted Hyde has posted, i can go >> back and find it... but THE LIST DOES NOT SEND MY OWN MESSAGES TO ME!!! >> >> Please watch de image, so you can see i'm not receiving my own messages >> and find that YOU could track my messages better than me as i can maybe >> track your messages better than you, ordered by subject as i'm doing it. >> http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3067/historiabz4.png >> >> >> >> I guess there must be some people trying to help, ok, and i'm very grateful to all of you, but, when i read some stuff it seems like a bad taste joke. >>> Gee, I was wondering what a grateful person sounded like. Now I know. >>> >>> >> Did you read about what i said about the answers when i was using 2.2.6 >> and Ted's files?... >> "hey, look at the idiot, he's using 2.2.6" yes, i htink mus have been >> someone like you who posted that. >> >> -I bought a board announced as supported on EMC2 then, they say the board is NOT fully supported, that the driver is being developed... ok, bad sales tactic, we call that a scam, you cannot tell something is supported, then after sold clarify it is not FULLY supported, wich actually means is barely supported as i could get from the answers i had. >>> Send Peter your board in good condition and I'm sure he will refund your >>> your money. If he won't, send the board to me, and I will. :-) >>> >>> >> I have no doubt about peter. >> >> >>> In the kingdom of reality, people don't complain when others offer to >>> help them for free. >>> >>> >> Well... in the kingdom of reality when someone offers help for free, >> help reaches his destiny even for free, it it doesn't reaches, then it >> is not called help but waste of time. >> >>> <<>> >>> >>> Sorry guys, but i'm really really tired of all this. >>> You are not the only one who is tired of all this. >>> >>> >> It does not seems so. >> >>> As far as I can recall, I never seen someone say the same thing over and >>> over rather than politely responding with requests for additional >>> information. >>> >>> >> .. over and over i try to you all understand i'm stuck in the exact same >> place even if you try to convince me that the error on my screen has >> changed or i changed somehitng from config files that i didn't even >> watch inside. >> >>> <<>> >>> >>> People really are trying to help. Please spend less time complaining and >>> more time responding to the direct requests of those who are trying to help. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >> And again anda again, i answered directly to the questions every time, >> IT DOES NOT WORK... >> and every time if something goes diferent i post the new message, but >> "is the same that last time" if it goes the same. >> >> >> At the moment, if i try with the files Ted sent to me directly, i still >> have the same errors wich were posted 3 times along with the config files. >> >> And when using the sample config that comes with 2.2.8 i have the error >> about extrange caracter "x" that i have told in a recent message. >> -- >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> >> > > --
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Hey Richard How are you starting emc? _ Keep in touch and up to date with friends and family. Make the connection now. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Sebastian, you cant plonk... i should plonk there is something wrong... those were not the files i tryed to send the last time, they seem like the first files i send when having the firmware load error. If the website is working fine... i guess my browser (firefox) is bringing something from history and i couldn't tell. 3.25AM and i'm waking up to start the computer. there is somethign very wrong... El 22/12/2008 01:57 a.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: > Richard Acosta wrote: > >> El 21/12/2008 06:42 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >> >>> Richard Acosta wrote: >>> >>> El 20/12/08 17:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: > Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. > Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other > relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. > > > HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I POSTED ALREADY? cmon...!! >>> You have not posted the information i asked for in the email you quoted. >>> The reason I asked you to post what you did and how the computer >>> responded is that you're reporting a new error now. Yesterday you said >>> the error you got was "unknown command". This is a radically different >>> kind of problem than what you reported previously, so the old >>> information you posted is of no use. Does that make sense? >>> >>> >> IS THE SAME ERROR!!! >> The files i have posted originally on pastebin ended with a "unknown >> command on line XX", that is what i said. >> > > Here's the pastebins you've sent us, none of them end with "unknown > command": > > >> http://pastebin.com/m38308b00 >> > > >> http://pastebin.com/f127053de >> > > >> Error http://pastebin.com/f1bee2b21 >> > > > I'm done. Plonk. > > > -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 22/12/2008 12:52 a.m., Rafael Skodlar escribió: > Richard, this kind of response gives open source bad name. You have a > situation where something worked OK for others but not for you. I assume > that when they got it working on some systems they assumed it's OK and > put it on the list. Happens all the time. However, there is something > that you are completely ignoring, the fact that not all hardware works > happily together. PCI, USB, PPort, SATA, and other buses are standards, > i.e. they follow more or less (!) specs agreed on at some international > body. The reality is that most manufacturers try to twist whatever > params to their advantage. Integrators end up testing things to see what > works and what not. > I know some about open source, not too much, but i think more than the average. I try as much as i can to promote open source software, i know really good and big projects, known by everyone here, and the problems are always almost the same, when something does not work for someone, people behind the project starts a deffensive tactic, something like: "how could not work for you if it's working for me". Ok, that is the MAIN issue behind open source. I know it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, incredible sacrifice.. but support is so important, and people needs answers. I'm just trying to make people understand that i receive the same message over and over, because it mentions the same command, in the same line in the same file. Also i stupidly follow a direction to make a test, wich has given a new kind of error, but there are two scenarios because i'm trying two different configs. that were suppossedly working. >> -OK, they asked to upgrade from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6, it will start to work, >> not completelly but it will work... >> fresh install, and, nothing worked. >> >> -Ted Hyde has offered his config files wich were working. (suppossedly) >> some suggested i'm some kind of dumb... hey, look, he's using 2.2.6 haha... >> >> > You said there is only one line of error message. While that might be > important, John if I'm not mistaken, asked about file > /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc > > I think they wanted you to cut/paste +/- lines from that file. Another > words, use command like > less /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc > check around line 10 cut/paste from it to email. > I understood this but this is a new scenario, because this is when using the config provided "with" the program on it's version 2.2.8, but the main scenario where i'm more interested is using the configs, that Ted Hyde provided me directly, there, on that scenario i am receiving the same error, the same line, the same command from the same file. > As a mater of fact, I would use mc (Midnigt Commander) and examine that > file line by line in hex mode to see if there are no illegal characters > (I'm assuming all should be simple ASCII text) and to see if the lines > are terminated properly (LF only). There is no end to frustration > chasing down errors with "text" files that were edited in some windoze > system and copied over to Linux. > This was provided by EMC2, i didn't touch nor edit anything, so i think i should'nt touch it at all.. because this is suppossed to be working as i have been told by...Peter?( i lost track, sorry, is bed time for me 3.00AM and have to wake up 7.00) > Similar is not good enough. Motherboards differ and it might be > worthwhile you try a different one. I don't know your circumstances, but > my guess is there must be another (newer) PC around that could be used > for an experiment. I would swap hard drive(s) and PCI IO card, and > reinstall from scratch. Installation is very fast. > There is no PCI IO card... everything except video is onboard, as they said it would be better. > While it might seem logical to have apt-get remove old stuff and install > it again for you, that doesn't necessarily happen always. Configuration > files tend to lay around (just in case) while apt-get makes you believe > they were removed. It all depends on the commands passed to it. > "--purge" and it said "purging EMC2 config files" so i tought i would be doing that. > We put up money sometimes for things that do not work as expected. > Governments do that all the time :-) > Tell me (Uruguay) > Why not buy another card, the 5I20 and use that one until the first one > gets better support if that's a problem? That was something a friend told me, but money on this side of the world is not cheap... even less than the other side of the world. We have bought the board for about 150 USD and ended paying about 500 for taxes and importing costs think about buying something for USD 300. > It's possible that card got > damaged during handling. Did you use antistatic mesures to prevent > damage when installed? Yes i did... > Was you motherboard under power when you plugged > in the card? 5V is there even when power is off in PC with cheaper PSUs > without a swit
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 21/12/2008 11:56 p.m., John Kasunich escribió: > You can say this 100 times, and all you are going to do is piss off the > people who are trying to support you 100 times! > > We want to see the exact text that you are typing on the command line, > and the exact response you get from your computer. Every single letter, > every single time. If messages are popping up in dialog boxes, you > should type them word-for-word, but I suspect that the exact same > information is being printed to the command line. > OK, and at wich part of "I DONT WRITE ANYTHING ON COMMAND LINE" can't you understand? The error comes when using the files posted by Ted Hyde that were working for him, i have posted the .hal file, and the error message complete! > If you are starting EMC from an icon instead of the command line, DON'T > DO THAT! You say you are an experienced Linux user - then you should > know that programs often send error messages to the terminal you run > them from. If you run from an icon, you never see those messages. > OK, i didn't say i'm an experienced linux user... i just said recenly that i use it on a daily basis and i clearify from the first message that i'm not an advanced user and i don't know even the directions to follow for a cvs compile and that stuff. > You have described several completely unrelated problems. Realtime > delays, 'bad character "x" used', failure of firmware to load, etc. > > How can you possibly troubleshoot multiple problems at one time? > bad character and realtime delay is what emc2 puts on screen (on a window with an accept button) when starting EMC2 using a suppossedly working sample config that Peter told me he tryed and worked on his machine. And the failure to load firmware, was what they (Peter and Sebastian) said when having the error "unknown command" if i use the files that Ted Hyde has passed medirectly. That was the reason by wich they suggested me to upgrade to 2.2.8, and i keep receiving the same error... unknown command on the same line from the same file... just equal as to when using 2.2.6. >> The files i have posted originally on pastebin ended with a "unknown >> command on line XX", that is what i said. >> > Where on pastebin? You started posting things a month ago. Are you > telling me that every single time you have tried this, with different > version and everything, that the results have been EXACTLY the same to > the last letter? > > If not, then post the most recent results on pastebin again! > My first message comes from september 9 this year. And YES... every single time i have tryed this i got the same error, i have pastebin it and everytime i received something like this: - El 08/10/2008 01:44 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: > Great debug output! That really helps. > > Have you ever posted the results of attempting to use Ted's sample > config? When I say results, I mean what is printed in the shell, and > the output of dmesg - every single letter. > That's exactly what i have posted on pastebin several times. > But you haven't done that kind of detailed troubleshooting, or if you > have you haven't told us what you did. > > RULES FOR REPORTING PROBLEMS: > > 1) TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID > > That means the entire contents of all your config files, every single > letter that you typed at the command prompt, and every single click of > the mouse. Do as much as possible from the command prompt, since it is > far easier to log what you did that way. > > 2) TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECTED TO HAPPEN > > 3) TELL US EXACTLY WHAT DID HAPPEN > > That means every single letter of output at the command prompt and in > dmesg, as well as a description of what happened in dialog boxes and > such. To avoid mixing together the results of multiple runs, type > "dmesg -c" to clear the log before starting EMC. > > > I understand that you are frustrated. If time is so critical, why > didn't you take Peter up on his offer to replace the board with a 5i20 a > few weeks ago? > Because there was when Ted Hyde appeared telling he tested the same board on similar hardware, and then i just, thought... hey, this people is having a good attitude, should i answer the same way? ok, i'll give it another try. > Because when you say "it is the same issue" over and over, you aren't > giving us any real information. When you give us no information, we can > give you no answers. > The error is exactly the same, over and over unknown comand line xx as posted on the pastebin i made some time ago is always the same line, same file, same error... > Besides, it is clearly NOT the same issue over and over. Firmware > failing to load, "bad character "x" used", and "Unespected realtime > delay"
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Richard, You do NOT understand! The messages you type do not agree with the posts you send. You must make sure the information you send is good information. It is YOUR responsibility to answer correct. You MUST make sure the information you send is the information that answers the question asked. If the information you sent was the information that answered the question then the question would not have been repeated. Did you look at the three posts Seb listed? Do the posts answer the questions you were asked? Yelling at people with "IT DOES NOT WORK..." does not send any information that is helpful. Stuart On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Richard Acosta wrote: > El 21/12/2008 11:47 p.m., Kenneth Lerman escribió: >> Have it your way. Don't post it again. If you don't care enough to find >> the posting and post it again, why should anyone else care enough to go >> searching for your previous posting? >> > Where would i find my postings if i don't receive my own messages even > if i configured my account to send me a copy of my own messages?... > I can follow the line of the discusion upwards and read every message > until the first one, but my own are not here, so... if you ask me to > find something you posted, or the files Ted Hyde has posted, i can go > back and find it... but THE LIST DOES NOT SEND MY OWN MESSAGES TO ME!!! > > Please watch de image, so you can see i'm not receiving my own messages > and find that YOU could track my messages better than me as i can maybe > track your messages better than you, ordered by subject as i'm doing it. > http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3067/historiabz4.png > > > >>> I guess there must be some people trying to help, ok, and i'm very >>> grateful to all of you, but, when i read some stuff it seems like a bad >>> taste joke. >>> >> >> Gee, I was wondering what a grateful person sounded like. Now I know. >> > Did you read about what i said about the answers when i was using 2.2.6 > and Ted's files?... > "hey, look at the idiot, he's using 2.2.6" yes, i htink mus have been > someone like you who posted that. > >>> -I bought a board announced as supported on EMC2 >>> then, they say the board is NOT fully supported, that the driver is >>> being developed... >>> ok, bad sales tactic, we call that a scam, you cannot tell something is >>> supported, then after sold clarify it is not FULLY supported, wich >>> actually means is barely supported as i could get from the answers i had. >>> >> Send Peter your board in good condition and I'm sure he will refund your >> your money. If he won't, send the board to me, and I will. :-) >> > I have no doubt about peter. > >> In the kingdom of reality, people don't complain when others offer to >> help them for free. >> > Well... in the kingdom of reality when someone offers help for free, > help reaches his destiny even for free, it it doesn't reaches, then it > is not called help but waste of time. >> <<>> >> >>> Sorry guys, but i'm really really tired of all this. >>> >> >> You are not the only one who is tired of all this. >> > It does not seems so. >> As far as I can recall, I never seen someone say the same thing over and >> over rather than politely responding with requests for additional >> information. >> > .. over and over i try to you all understand i'm stuck in the exact same > place even if you try to convince me that the error on my screen has > changed or i changed somehitng from config files that i didn't even > watch inside. >> <<>> >> >> People really are trying to help. Please spend less time complaining and >> more time responding to the direct requests of those who are trying to help. >> >> Ken >> > And again anda again, i answered directly to the questions every time, > IT DOES NOT WORK... > and every time if something goes diferent i post the new message, but > "is the same that last time" if it goes the same. > > > At the moment, if i try with the files Ted sent to me directly, i still > have the same errors wich were posted 3 times along with the config files. > > And when using the sample config that comes with 2.2.8 i have the error > about extrange caracter "x" that i have told in a recent message. > -- > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 21/12/2008 11:47 p.m., Kenneth Lerman escribió: > Have it your way. Don't post it again. If you don't care enough to find > the posting and post it again, why should anyone else care enough to go > searching for your previous posting? > Where would i find my postings if i don't receive my own messages even if i configured my account to send me a copy of my own messages?... I can follow the line of the discusion upwards and read every message until the first one, but my own are not here, so... if you ask me to find something you posted, or the files Ted Hyde has posted, i can go back and find it... but THE LIST DOES NOT SEND MY OWN MESSAGES TO ME!!! Please watch de image, so you can see i'm not receiving my own messages and find that YOU could track my messages better than me as i can maybe track your messages better than you, ordered by subject as i'm doing it. http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3067/historiabz4.png >> I guess there must be some people trying to help, ok, and i'm very >> grateful to all of you, but, when i read some stuff it seems like a bad >> taste joke. >> > > Gee, I was wondering what a grateful person sounded like. Now I know. > Did you read about what i said about the answers when i was using 2.2.6 and Ted's files?... "hey, look at the idiot, he's using 2.2.6" yes, i htink mus have been someone like you who posted that. >> -I bought a board announced as supported on EMC2 >> then, they say the board is NOT fully supported, that the driver is >> being developed... >> ok, bad sales tactic, we call that a scam, you cannot tell something is >> supported, then after sold clarify it is not FULLY supported, wich >> actually means is barely supported as i could get from the answers i had. >> > Send Peter your board in good condition and I'm sure he will refund your > your money. If he won't, send the board to me, and I will. :-) > I have no doubt about peter. > In the kingdom of reality, people don't complain when others offer to > help them for free. > Well... in the kingdom of reality when someone offers help for free, help reaches his destiny even for free, it it doesn't reaches, then it is not called help but waste of time. > <<>> > >> Sorry guys, but i'm really really tired of all this. >> > > You are not the only one who is tired of all this. > It does not seems so. > As far as I can recall, I never seen someone say the same thing over and > over rather than politely responding with requests for additional > information. > .. over and over i try to you all understand i'm stuck in the exact same place even if you try to convince me that the error on my screen has changed or i changed somehitng from config files that i didn't even watch inside. > <<>> > > People really are trying to help. Please spend less time complaining and > more time responding to the direct requests of those who are trying to help. > > Ken > And again anda again, i answered directly to the questions every time, IT DOES NOT WORK... and every time if something goes diferent i post the new message, but "is the same that last time" if it goes the same. At the moment, if i try with the files Ted sent to me directly, i still have the same errors wich were posted 3 times along with the config files. And when using the sample config that comes with 2.2.8 i have the error about extrange caracter "x" that i have told in a recent message. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Richard Acosta wrote: > El 21/12/2008 06:42 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >> Richard Acosta wrote: >> >>> El 20/12/08 17:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >>> Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. >>> HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I >>> POSTED ALREADY? >>> >>> cmon...!! >>> >> You have not posted the information i asked for in the email you quoted. >> The reason I asked you to post what you did and how the computer >> responded is that you're reporting a new error now. Yesterday you said >> the error you got was "unknown command". This is a radically different >> kind of problem than what you reported previously, so the old >> information you posted is of no use. Does that make sense? >> > IS THE SAME ERROR!!! > The files i have posted originally on pastebin ended with a "unknown > command on line XX", that is what i said. Here's the pastebins you've sent us, none of them end with "unknown command": > http://pastebin.com/m38308b00 > http://pastebin.com/f127053de > Error http://pastebin.com/f1bee2b21 I'm done. Plonk. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky "Okay, people. Now is the time to start discussing the rules of war for autonomous robots. Now, when it's still theoretical." -- Bruce Schneier -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 21/12/2008 11:22 p.m., Jim Coleman escribió: > Richard, I think there might be a misunderstanding. That's something where we can agree. > Every time that emc crashes, it creates a dmesg file that tells what was > going on and what happened when it crashed. the guys that are way better > than I am can look > at this info and figure out what to do to fix the crashes. > Every time something is different and it crashes with different errors, the > dmesg will > be different telling what's going on. > so every time progress is made, we(more like the other guys, wish i could > personally help) will need a new dmesg and copies of the current > configurations being used OK, here is the fact... the used files are exactly the same every time... i never changed the hal, ini, etc.. files and the message is the same every time, and this is why i'm so tired of saying the same thing over and over again. NO PROGRESS HAVE BEEN MADE, i have upgraded from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6, then 2.2.7, and now 2.2.8, and the same thing happens at the exact same time, and the error message is exactly the same since 2.2.6 using the exact same files that Ted Hyde provided me. "Uncown Command line XX" and the line referres to the same command on the same line in the same file, so... if you check the old posts is the same now carbon copy. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Richard Acosta wrote: > > Now, i have posted the computer specs, i have posted the config files > used, i have now made a new install to upgrade to 2.2.8, and... voilá.. > the suppossedly to work config does not work. > > I guess there must be some people trying to help, ok, and i'm very > grateful to all of you, but, when i read some stuff it seems like a bad > taste joke. > > -I bought a board announced as supported on EMC2 > then, they say the board is NOT fully supported, that the driver is > being developed... > ok, bad sales tactic, we call that a scam, you cannot tell something is > supported, then after sold clarify it is not FULLY supported, wich > actually means is barely supported as i could get from the answers i had. > Richard, this kind of response gives open source bad name. You have a situation where something worked OK for others but not for you. I assume that when they got it working on some systems they assumed it's OK and put it on the list. Happens all the time. However, there is something that you are completely ignoring, the fact that not all hardware works happily together. PCI, USB, PPort, SATA, and other buses are standards, i.e. they follow more or less (!) specs agreed on at some international body. The reality is that most manufacturers try to twist whatever params to their advantage. Integrators end up testing things to see what works and what not. I work for a large organization where we certify products which then go on hardware compatibility list. That list is carefully examined by large buyers who use that as a leverage to enforce support contracts. Not all of that exists in open source. This group, and I DO NOT SPEAK FOR IT (they pay too little :-), simply tries their best to help people get their stuff working. It takes some courage, a lot of knowledge, experience, and some luck to get it all working. You are the integrator in this case and have 3 options: - take time to get current HW work with help from the developers and experienced heavy users - replace HW in question with one that has better track record to speedup your project - change the project from EMC to something else with better (?) commercial support I would opt for #2 and take the whole thing as a good lesson and put the card in question on side for future projects when you have more time. > -OK, they asked to upgrade from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6, it will start to work, > not completelly but it will work... > fresh install, and, nothing worked. > > -Ted Hyde has offered his config files wich were working. (suppossedly) > some suggested i'm some kind of dumb... hey, look, he's using 2.2.6 haha... > You said there is only one line of error message. While that might be important, John if I'm not mistaken, asked about file /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc I think they wanted you to cut/paste +/- lines from that file. Another words, use command like less /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc check around line 10 cut/paste from it to email. As a mater of fact, I would use mc (Midnigt Commander) and examine that file line by line in hex mode to see if there are no illegal characters (I'm assuming all should be simple ASCII text) and to see if the lines are terminated properly (LF only). There is no end to frustration chasing down errors with "text" files that were edited in some windoze system and copied over to Linux. > -Ok, made a fresh install, to upgrade from 2.2.6 to 2.2.7.. > NICE... now... i have the exact same situation that using 2.2.7 NOTHING > changed, i hav ethe same errors, but, now, noone suggested i'm using the > wrong version, and, also... silence. > Peter Wallace (if i'm not wrong) told me to use some DOS programs to > test the board. The board is working fine, and also my hardware does > since tests went fine. > > Then he said he tested a similar or equal hardware config as mine using > ted hydes' config with success. Similar is not good enough. Motherboards differ and it might be worthwhile you try a different one. I don't know your circumstances, but my guess is there must be another (newer) PC around that could be used for an experiment. I would swap hard drive(s) and PCI IO card, and reinstall from scratch. Installation is very fast. Just because MB passes all hardware tests, it might still not be good for real time as required for EMC. > -OH... fine, magic, config is working, you must have been installed > something wrong (on a fresh install) 2.2.8 is working perfectly after an > "apt-get update" from 2.2.7... > OK!!! GREAT!!! > apt-get upgrade... NEVER WORKED, never announced an upgrade available, > under any version, it does not work for me at all. > > OK, i'll apt-get remove --purge, then apt-get install... great it says > "purging data files", hey... is installing 2.2.8... i can now stop being > the dumb here... > OH.. amazing!!! the SUPPOSSEDLY to work config IS NOT WORKING! (again) > While it might seem logical to have apt-get remove old stuff and
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Richard Acosta wrote: > El 21/12/2008 06:42 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >> Richard Acosta wrote: >> >>> El 20/12/08 17:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >>> Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. >>> HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I >>> POSTED ALREADY? >>> >>> cmon...!! >>> >> You have not posted the information i asked for in the email you quoted. >> The reason I asked you to post what you did and how the computer >> responded is that you're reporting a new error now. Yesterday you said >> the error you got was "unknown command". This is a radically different >> kind of problem than what you reported previously, so the old >> information you posted is of no use. Does that make sense? >> > IS THE SAME ERROR!!! You can say this 100 times, and all you are going to do is piss off the people who are trying to support you 100 times! We want to see the exact text that you are typing on the command line, and the exact response you get from your computer. Every single letter, every single time. If messages are popping up in dialog boxes, you should type them word-for-word, but I suspect that the exact same information is being printed to the command line. If you are starting EMC from an icon instead of the command line, DON'T DO THAT! You say you are an experienced Linux user - then you should know that programs often send error messages to the terminal you run them from. If you run from an icon, you never see those messages. You have described several completely unrelated problems. Realtime delays, 'bad character "x" used', failure of firmware to load, etc. How can you possibly troubleshoot multiple problems at one time? > The files i have posted originally on pastebin ended with a "unknown > command on line XX", that is what i said. Where on pastebin? You started posting things a month ago. Are you telling me that every single time you have tried this, with different version and everything, that the results have been EXACTLY the same to the last letter? If not, then post the most recent results on pastebin again! >> We're trying to help you Richard. You're trying to run what seems like >> a well-tested system; a system that's working well for all the >> developers and several users. We're trying to figure out what's >> different about your setup that makes it so it doesnt work for you. We >> can't do this without careful, detailed information from you about >> what's happening on your computer. >> > > Now, i have posted the computer specs, i have posted the config files > used, i have now made a new install to upgrade to 2.2.8, and... voilá.. > the suppossedly to work config does not work. Have you ever posted the results of attempting to use Ted's sample config? When I say results, I mean what is printed in the shell, and the output of dmesg - every single letter. Describing things in your own words simply wastes your time and ours. > I guess there must be some people trying to help, ok, and i'm very > grateful to all of you, but, when i read some stuff it seems like a bad > taste joke. (snip) > OH.. amazing!!! the SUPPOSSEDLY to work config IS NOT WORKING! (again) EMC has a number of tools that allow a skilled person to figure out WHAT is not working. You don't seem to have tried to actually investigate the cause of your problem. I realize that some people have been telling you to install this version and that version and reinstall and such. Personally I think that is bad advice - you should INVESTIGATE the cause of the problem, not just start replacing things at random. Once you know the cause, then we can tell you "that is fixed in version XXX", or "you need to change this in your config" or whatever. But you haven't done that kind of detailed troubleshooting, or if you have you haven't told us what you did. RULES FOR REPORTING PROBLEMS: 1) TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID That means the entire contents of all your config files, every single letter that you typed at the command prompt, and every single click of the mouse. Do as much as possible from the command prompt, since it is far easier to log what you did that way. 2) TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECTED TO HAPPEN 3) TELL US EXACTLY WHAT DID HAPPEN That means every single letter of output at the command prompt and in dmesg, as well as a description of what happened in dialog boxes and such. To avoid mixing together the results of multiple runs, type "dmesg -c" to clear the log before starting EMC. > and again and again and again everything can be solved with a fresh > install, or an upgrade... but... in the kingdom of reallity it does not > work like that. No, it doesn't. That was bad advice in my opinion, but I think it was given in desperation
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Enough already. The word "Plonk" comes to mind. Richard Acosta wrote: > El 21/12/2008 06:42 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >> Richard Acosta wrote: >> >>> El 20/12/08 17:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >>> Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. >>> HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I >>> POSTED ALREADY? >>> >>> cmon...!! Have it your way. Don't post it again. If you don't care enough to find the posting and post it again, why should anyone else care enough to go searching for your previous posting? >>> >> You have not posted the information i asked for in the email you quoted. >> The reason I asked you to post what you did and how the computer >> responded is that you're reporting a new error now. Yesterday you said >> the error you got was "unknown command". This is a radically different >> kind of problem than what you reported previously, so the old >> information you posted is of no use. Does that make sense? >> > IS THE SAME ERROR!!! > The files i have posted originally on pastebin ended with a "unknown > command on line XX", that is what i said. > That was the error using Ted Hyde's files on 2.2.6 AND 2.2.7 even when > several people said the error came from using 2.2.6 and asked to upgrade > to 2.2.7. I made a clean install to do this. (again as i did when going > from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6) > >> We're trying to help you Richard. You're trying to run what seems like >> a well-tested system; a system that's working well for all the >> developers and several users. We're trying to figure out what's >> different about your setup that makes it so it doesnt work for you. We >> can't do this without careful, detailed information from you about >> what's happening on your computer. >> > > Now, i have posted the computer specs, i have posted the config files > used, i have now made a new install to upgrade to 2.2.8, and... voilá.. > the suppossedly to work config does not work. > > I guess there must be some people trying to help, ok, and i'm very > grateful to all of you, but, when i read some stuff it seems like a bad > taste joke. Gee, I was wondering what a grateful person sounded like. Now I know. > > -I bought a board announced as supported on EMC2 > then, they say the board is NOT fully supported, that the driver is > being developed... > ok, bad sales tactic, we call that a scam, you cannot tell something is > supported, then after sold clarify it is not FULLY supported, wich > actually means is barely supported as i could get from the answers i had. > Send Peter your board in good condition and I'm sure he will refund your your money. If he won't, send the board to me, and I will. :-) <<>> > and again and again and again everything can be solved with a fresh > install, or an upgrade... but... in the kingdom of reallity it does not > work like that. In the kingdom of reality, people don't complain when others offer to help them for free. <<>> > > Sorry guys, but i'm really really tired of all this. You are not the only one who is tired of all this. > > I'm a Kubuntu user on a daily basis, for work, and for entertainment, > i'm a suscriber to xHarbour and Harbour mailing lists, and on Scribus > mail list too. I have asked for help tons of times to them... and always > could solve the problems, slower of faster ,but never stuck on the same > place or so long time. > I never had so much trouble to get something to work using a mailing > list help, and, never had so much people not understanding when i say... > "is the same issue" over and over... As far as I can recall, I never seen someone say the same thing over and over rather than politely responding with requests for additional information. <<>> People really are trying to help. Please spend less time complaining and more time responding to the direct requests of those who are trying to help. Ken -- Kenneth Lerman Mark Kenny Products Company, LLC 55 Main Street Newtown, CT 06470 888-ISO-SEVO 203-426-7166 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 21/12/2008 06:42 p.m., Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: > Richard Acosta wrote: > >> El 20/12/08 17:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >> >>> Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. >>> Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other >>> relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. >>> >>> >> HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I >> POSTED ALREADY? >> >> cmon...!! >> > You have not posted the information i asked for in the email you quoted. > The reason I asked you to post what you did and how the computer > responded is that you're reporting a new error now. Yesterday you said > the error you got was "unknown command". This is a radically different > kind of problem than what you reported previously, so the old > information you posted is of no use. Does that make sense? > IS THE SAME ERROR!!! The files i have posted originally on pastebin ended with a "unknown command on line XX", that is what i said. That was the error using Ted Hyde's files on 2.2.6 AND 2.2.7 even when several people said the error came from using 2.2.6 and asked to upgrade to 2.2.7. I made a clean install to do this. (again as i did when going from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6) > We're trying to help you Richard. You're trying to run what seems like > a well-tested system; a system that's working well for all the > developers and several users. We're trying to figure out what's > different about your setup that makes it so it doesnt work for you. We > can't do this without careful, detailed information from you about > what's happening on your computer. > Now, i have posted the computer specs, i have posted the config files used, i have now made a new install to upgrade to 2.2.8, and... voilá.. the suppossedly to work config does not work. I guess there must be some people trying to help, ok, and i'm very grateful to all of you, but, when i read some stuff it seems like a bad taste joke. -I bought a board announced as supported on EMC2 then, they say the board is NOT fully supported, that the driver is being developed... ok, bad sales tactic, we call that a scam, you cannot tell something is supported, then after sold clarify it is not FULLY supported, wich actually means is barely supported as i could get from the answers i had. -OK, they asked to upgrade from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6, it will start to work, not completelly but it will work... fresh install, and, nothing worked. -Ted Hyde has offered his config files wich were working. (suppossedly) some suggested i'm some kind of dumb... hey, look, he's using 2.2.6 haha... -Ok, made a fresh install, to upgrade from 2.2.6 to 2.2.7.. NICE... now... i have the exact same situation that using 2.2.7 NOTHING changed, i hav ethe same errors, but, now, noone suggested i'm using the wrong version, and, also... silence. Peter Wallace (if i'm not wrong) told me to use some DOS programs to test the board. The board is working fine, and also my hardware does since tests went fine. Then he said he tested a similar or equal hardware config as mine using ted hydes' config with success. -OH... fine, magic, config is working, you must have been installed something wrong (on a fresh install) 2.2.8 is working perfectly after an "apt-get update" from 2.2.7... OK!!! GREAT!!! apt-get upgrade... NEVER WORKED, never announced an upgrade available, under any version, it does not work for me at all. OK, i'll apt-get remove --purge, then apt-get install... great it says "purging data files", hey... is installing 2.2.8... i can now stop being the dumb here... OH.. amazing!!! the SUPPOSSEDLY to work config IS NOT WORKING! (again) and again and again and again everything can be solved with a fresh install, or an upgrade... but... in the kingdom of reallity it does not work like that. I have an associate, who's the one putting the money on the table, the iron/steel skeleton part is built, servos are bought, encoders are bought, but the board is not working at all and he's calling me several times a week, and if i tell him i send an email, he can call about 8 times on a day to know wich is the answer. I also have a work, several works actually, i have to provide support to several enterprises, and i have no time to spent, even less to waste, if i would know from the first time i was going to have all this trouble, i could buy another brand/model and maybe spend some more money or simply say, no way, but... i believed on what i read. Supported. Sorry guys, but i'm really really tired of all this. I'm a Kubuntu user on a daily basis, for work, and for entertainment, i'm a suscriber to xHarbour and Harbour mailing lists, and on Scribus mail list too. I have asked for help tons of times to them... and always could solve the problems, slower of faster ,but never stuck on the same place or so long time. I never had so much trouble to get something to work u
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
>> Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. >> Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other >> relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. >> > > HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I > POSTED ALREADY? > > cmon...!! Richard, I think there might be a misunderstanding. Every time that emc crashes, it creates a dmesg file that tells what was going on and what happened when it crashed. the guys that are way better than I am can look at this info and figure out what to do to fix the crashes. Every time something is different and it crashes with different errors, the dmesg will be different telling what's going on. so every time progress is made, we (more like the other guys, wish i could personally help) will need a new dmesg and copies of the current configurations being used in order to see everything that is being done by the computer and where things go wrong. Hope I'm able to help you and your situation, I just got an M5i20 card and 7i33, working on drawing and programming a board to go from 50 pin header on 7i33 to screw terminals to the wiring in the machine. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Richard Acosta wrote: > El 21/12/2008 05:42 p.m., John Kasunich escribió: > > Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Richard Acosta > wrote: > >> > >>> Is nothing about lazyness... is about being tired of to do something > >>> that is supossed to work.. and it does not! again and again and again. > >>> > >>> When going your lazy path i got the following two messages. > >>> > >>> "Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" > used" > >>> > >> this message tells you there is something wrong near line 10 of the > file: > >> /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc > >> > >> it even tells you what is wrong: > >> bad character "x" used > >> > >> your response to this should be: > >> open the file with an editor and look for an "x" character on or near > line 10 > >> if you cannot figure out what the error is then post a copy of a few > >> lines prior and a few lines past > >> > >> someone will try to help you > >> people are trying to help you now - they just don't have enough > information > >> > > > > Something is fishy here though - isn't axis.ngc the EMC2 splash screen > > program? Hundreds of users are loading that g-code file every time they > > start EMC, and it isn't causing errors. > > > > Also, "X" is a perfectly legitimate character in g-code. > > > > Stuart is exactly correct in that the proper action is to READ the > > message, THINK about what it means, and LOOK for the cause of the > problem. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Kasunich > > > I didn't wrote that file!!! > it comes with the last install of EMC2 wich was suppossed to be working > on a lazy path and a couple of clicks as i did this time. > > -- > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 21/12/2008 05:42 p.m., John Kasunich escribió: > Stuart Stevenson wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Richard Acosta wrote: >> >>> Is nothing about lazyness... is about being tired of to do something >>> that is supossed to work.. and it does not! again and again and again. >>> >>> When going your lazy path i got the following two messages. >>> >>> "Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used" >>> >> this message tells you there is something wrong near line 10 of the file: >> /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc >> >> it even tells you what is wrong: >> bad character "x" used >> >> your response to this should be: >> open the file with an editor and look for an "x" character on or near line 10 >> if you cannot figure out what the error is then post a copy of a few >> lines prior and a few lines past >> >> someone will try to help you >> people are trying to help you now - they just don't have enough information >> > > Something is fishy here though - isn't axis.ngc the EMC2 splash screen > program? Hundreds of users are loading that g-code file every time they > start EMC, and it isn't causing errors. > > Also, "X" is a perfectly legitimate character in g-code. > > Stuart is exactly correct in that the proper action is to READ the > message, THINK about what it means, and LOOK for the cause of the problem. > > Regards, > > John Kasunich > I didn't wrote that file!!! it comes with the last install of EMC2 wich was suppossed to be working on a lazy path and a couple of clicks as i did this time. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 21/12/2008 05:37 p.m., Stuart Stevenson escribió: >> "Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used" >> > > this message tells you there is something wrong near line 10 of the file: > /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc > > it even tells you what is wrong: > bad character "x" used > > your response to this should be: > open the file with an editor and look for an "x" character on or near line 10 > OK, but THAT file comes with EMC2 2.2.8 that was supposed to be working following a lazy path and then just double click on emc2servo config. Well, it seems to me that finally was not working at all, and that the people saying they tryed that are really not doing it. > if you cannot figure out what the error is then post a copy of a few > lines prior and a few lines past > Lines prior and lines past... OK THIS COMES IN A WINDOW THAT HAS ONLY THAT WRITEN ON IT! so there is nothing prior nor past to post. > someone will try to help you > people are trying to help you now - they just don't have enough information > I have posted everything they asked, and it seems like they are not reading what i post, just keep asking the same thing again and again. Also the board has 3 lights, and as i can interpretate from them, the firmware is not beeing loaded into board, but it seems lights are not important. >> "RTAPI:: ERROR: Unespected realtime delay on task 1 >> This Message will only display once per session. >> Run the Latency Test and resolve before continuing" >> > > this is a separate problem - you may run your machine but you may > experience hesitation during motion as something about the hardware is > using too much time. > It comes right after the first window, in a window that's equal to the first one, but with a different legend. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 21/12/2008 05:45 p.m., Peter C. Wallace escribió: >> When going your lazy path i got the following two messages. >> "Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used" >> > No Idea, I sure didnt see anything like this. > > Is this a new 2.2.8 installation? Maybe its corrupted in some way > > Mine was absolutely new. I would suggest starting fresh as that worked > instantly for me. > Every time id did this before, i made clean installs... this is the first time i dont reinstall the entire Linux. I just apt-get remove emc2 --purge then apt-get install emc2, so it wouldn't be corrupted since is the same as using install_emc.sh. >> "RTAPI:: ERROR: Unespected realtime delay on task 1 >> This Message will only display once per session. >> Run the Latency Test and resolve before continuing" >> > > This likely means that you _DO_ need to run the latency test as your > motherboard as currently set-up is causing delays in real time scheduling > > And... where is that? > >> And all lights are always ON as they are from startup. >> >> When using the old driver/firmware on 2.2.6, at least lights went off, >> then init and done turned on, this time, nothing. When using the config >> samples provided by Ted Hyde, lights go off and never come back on, and >> then the "Unknown Command Error". >> >> It seems to me, that firmware is not loading at all >> > > Thats what "all lights on" means > All lights on?... when i boot my computer, the board starts with all lights on. Then Ted Hyde sent me his config. and hal files, then started to test with it. When using 2.2.6 lights(init and ready) went off and then on in the sequence first init and then ready, then stayed on It was giving the "unknown command" in some line (posted in pastebin) and all of you said it was because the 2.2.6 version, also was some kind of "look the imbecil" the commentaries i read about. On 2.2.7 (as all of you said) and also 2.2.8, using the SAME files that i was using with 2.2.6 (Ted Hyde's ones) lights just go off, and never come back on. If i use the sample you said... lights dont even go off, and gives the errors i passed you. > I would do a fresh (reformat) Jinstall and upgrade to 2.2.8 then we > know what you have (at this point its not clear whether your installation is > corrupted in some way) There is just no reason for this many problems that no > one else is seeing > Why would i do that AGAIN, i did' it when 2.2.5 to 2.2.6... then as you asked, did it again from 2.2.6 to 2.2.7... and... now again?.. what would change? I have "apt-get remove --purge" and then installed it using apt-get... don't want to start all over again, installing Linux every time something is unknown... I have posted the errors, and the config files, the errors must say you something.., there is something wrong, OK, there you got the debug file.. there must be something writen about. I can't see my own messages or i could put again the pastebin links, but, just search for Ted Hyde's message with his config files and try with them... I'm really tired of this, i have bought something that was supposed to work and work fine, there was no notice about an unstable driver, firmware, testing, nothing about that on 7i43 or i would preferred to go buy other board. Then you said the driver was beeing incomplete, testing and so on... ok, but please tell that before the people buy your hardware. Some time ago you have offered to change the board for a 5i20, i said i was going to test the suppossed to be working Ted Hyde's files... but, they didn't work, so, please, tell me what to do to change this board. I'm really tired and my associate is killing my nerves.(as this board does also) -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] servo reverse
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Arnold Riter CNC wrote: > Hello to everybody, > > I'd like to thanks you all for the information which make me able to > carry out the conversion of a BF20 mill to CNC. > I've been using cnc for a while with windows based program, and emc2. > When I decided to use servos in my last project , it was clear for me > that the option of EMC2 will be the best, and already tested the machine > I can said that I am very pleased with EMC2+Linux > > I've used brushless servo + 5i20 mesa card + 7i33 + 7i37 > I'm very happy with the mesa cards, I can read the encoders with no > problems at all from the first time, and all the system are very very > fast and reliable. > > I'm finishing the work and I need your help, so the question is: > > I need to reverse the way of one servo turn, but I wouldn't like to > modify the wiring, so, is it possible to change any software part like > the hal file? If possible could you give me a clue how to do that? you should be able to reverse the sign of the scale in the .ini file and then reverse the connections (in .hal file) for the encoder > > Thanks very much in advance, and sorry, my english is not very fine > > Arnold > > > > -- > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] servo reverse
Hello to everybody, I'd like to thanks you all for the information which make me able to carry out the conversion of a BF20 mill to CNC. I've been using cnc for a while with windows based program, and emc2. When I decided to use servos in my last project , it was clear for me that the option of EMC2 will be the best, and already tested the machine I can said that I am very pleased with EMC2+Linux I've used brushless servo + 5i20 mesa card + 7i33 + 7i37 I'm very happy with the mesa cards, I can read the encoders with no problems at all from the first time, and all the system are very very fast and reliable. I'm finishing the work and I need your help, so the question is: I need to reverse the way of one servo turn, but I wouldn't like to modify the wiring, so, is it possible to change any software part like the hal file? If possible could you give me a clue how to do that? Thanks very much in advance, and sorry, my english is not very fine Arnold -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Richard Acosta wrote: > El 20/12/08 17:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: >> Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. >> Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other >> relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. >> > > HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I > POSTED ALREADY? > > cmon...!! You have not posted the information i asked for in the email you quoted. The reason I asked you to post what you did and how the computer responded is that you're reporting a new error now. Yesterday you said the error you got was "unknown command". This is a radically different kind of problem than what you reported previously, so the old information you posted is of no use. Does that make sense? We're trying to help you Richard. You're trying to run what seems like a well-tested system; a system that's working well for all the developers and several users. We're trying to figure out what's different about your setup that makes it so it doesnt work for you. We can't do this without careful, detailed information from you about what's happening on your computer. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky "Okay, people. Now is the time to start discussing the rules of war for autonomous robots. Now, when it's still theoretical." -- Bruce Schneier -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
doesn't seem fishy to me if he doesn't have an X axis On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > Stuart Stevenson wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Richard Acosta wrote: >>> Is nothing about lazyness... is about being tired of to do something >>> that is supossed to work.. and it does not! again and again and again. >>> >>> When going your lazy path i got the following two messages. >>> >>> "Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used" >> >> this message tells you there is something wrong near line 10 of the file: >> /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc >> >> it even tells you what is wrong: >> bad character "x" used >> >> your response to this should be: >> open the file with an editor and look for an "x" character on or near line 10 >> if you cannot figure out what the error is then post a copy of a few >> lines prior and a few lines past >> >> someone will try to help you >> people are trying to help you now - they just don't have enough information > > Something is fishy here though - isn't axis.ngc the EMC2 splash screen > program? Hundreds of users are loading that g-code file every time they > start EMC, and it isn't causing errors. > > Also, "X" is a perfectly legitimate character in g-code. > > Stuart is exactly correct in that the proper action is to READ the > message, THINK about what it means, and LOOK for the cause of the problem. > > Regards, > > John Kasunich > > -- > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
On 21 Dec 2008 at 17:01, Richard Acosta wrote: > > "RTAPI:: ERROR: Unespected realtime delay on task 1 > This Message will only display once per session. > Run the Latency Test and resolve before continuing" > You really should resolve this error before going any further. http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//common_Stepper_Diagnostics.html#r1_2_2 I know the link says stepper diagnostics but the RTAPI error is a general one. John -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, Richard Acosta wrote:
> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:01:00 -0200
> From: Richard Acosta
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample,
> and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample What now?
>
> Is nothing about lazyness... is about being tired of to do something
>that is supossed to work.. and it does not! again and again and again.
I was not suggesting that you were lazy, but just that I was lazy and took
the simplest route to testing the 7I43+EMC2.2.8.
Lazy meaning that I did nothing other then loading the latest EMC version
(by upgrading EMC 2.2.6 via Synaptic package manager to EMC 2.2.8)
This worked the first time I double clicked hm2servo, 0 problems
>
>When going your lazy path i got the following two messages.
>
>"Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used"
No Idea, I sure didnt see anything like this.
Is this a new 2.2.8 installation? Maybe its corrupted in some way
Mine was absolutely new. I would suggest starting fresh as that worked
instantly for me.
>"RTAPI:: ERROR: Unespected realtime delay on task 1
>This Message will only display once per session.
>Run the Latency Test and resolve before continuing"
This likely means that you _DO_ need to run the latency test as your
motherboard as currently set-up is causing delays in real time scheduling
>And all lights are always ON as they are from startup.
>
>When using the old driver/firmware on 2.2.6, at least lights went off,
>then init and done turned on, this time, nothing. When using the config
>samples provided by Ted Hyde, lights go off and never come back on, and
>then the "Unknown Command Error".
>
>It seems to me, that firmware is not loading at all
Thats what "all lights on" means
I would do a fresh (reformat) Jinstall and upgrade to 2.2.8 then we
know what you have (at this point its not clear whether your installation is
corrupted in some way) There is just no reason for this many problems that no
one else is seeing
Peter Wallace
Mesa Electronics
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Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Stuart Stevenson wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Richard Acosta wrote: >> Is nothing about lazyness... is about being tired of to do something >> that is supossed to work.. and it does not! again and again and again. >> >> When going your lazy path i got the following two messages. >> >> "Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used" > > this message tells you there is something wrong near line 10 of the file: > /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc > > it even tells you what is wrong: > bad character "x" used > > your response to this should be: > open the file with an editor and look for an "x" character on or near line 10 > if you cannot figure out what the error is then post a copy of a few > lines prior and a few lines past > > someone will try to help you > people are trying to help you now - they just don't have enough information Something is fishy here though - isn't axis.ngc the EMC2 splash screen program? Hundreds of users are loading that g-code file every time they start EMC, and it isn't causing errors. Also, "X" is a perfectly legitimate character in g-code. Stuart is exactly correct in that the proper action is to READ the message, THINK about what it means, and LOOK for the cause of the problem. Regards, John Kasunich -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Richard Acosta wrote:
> Is nothing about lazyness... is about being tired of to do something
> that is supossed to work.. and it does not! again and again and again.
>
> When going your lazy path i got the following two messages.
>
> "Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used"
this message tells you there is something wrong near line 10 of the file:
/usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc
it even tells you what is wrong:
bad character "x" used
your response to this should be:
open the file with an editor and look for an "x" character on or near line 10
if you cannot figure out what the error is then post a copy of a few
lines prior and a few lines past
someone will try to help you
people are trying to help you now - they just don't have enough information
>
> "RTAPI:: ERROR: Unespected realtime delay on task 1
> This Message will only display once per session.
> Run the Latency Test and resolve before continuing"
this is a separate problem - you may run your machine but you may
experience hesitation during motion as something about the hardware is
using too much time.
>
> And all lights are always ON as they are from startup.
>
> When using the old driver/firmware on 2.2.6, at least lights went off,
> then init and done turned on, this time, nothing. When using the config
> samples provided by Ted Hyde, lights go off and never come back on, and
> then the "Unknown Command Error".
>
> It seems to me, that firmware is not loading at all
>
>
>
> El 20/12/08 14:27, Peter C. Wallace escribió:
>> Also other than logging in, I didn't have to type _anything_
>> to get EMC running with the 7I43
>>
>> Heres the (lazy) path I followed:
>>
>> Install EMC 2.2.6 from LiveCD
>>
>> Upgrade to 2.2.7 (via synaptic)
>>
>> Upgrade to 2.2.8 (via synaptic)
>>
>> launch emc from menu
>>
>> double click on hm2servo
>>
>> UP AND RUNNING!
>>
>> Peter Wallace
>> Mesa Electronics
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
El 20/12/08 17:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky escribió: > Without seeing what's happening on your computer, we can not help. > Do what produces the error, then pastebin the dmesg output and any other > relevant logs, then email us the pastebin URL. > HAVE POSTED THE MESSAGES SEVERAL TIMES ¿SHOULD I POST AGAIN WHAT I POSTED ALREADY? cmon...!! -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC 2.2.7 + 7i43 + Ted's sample, and same error than using EMC 2.2.6 + 7i43 + Ted's sample.... What now?
Is nothing about lazyness... is about being tired of to do something
that is supossed to work.. and it does not! again and again and again.
When going your lazy path i got the following two messages.
"Acercar linea 10 en /usr/shareaxis/images/axis.ngc: bad character "x" used"
"RTAPI:: ERROR: Unespected realtime delay on task 1
This Message will only display once per session.
Run the Latency Test and resolve before continuing"
And all lights are always ON as they are from startup.
When using the old driver/firmware on 2.2.6, at least lights went off,
then init and done turned on, this time, nothing. When using the config
samples provided by Ted Hyde, lights go off and never come back on, and
then the "Unknown Command Error".
It seems to me, that firmware is not loading at all
El 20/12/08 14:27, Peter C. Wallace escribió:
> Also other than logging in, I didn't have to type _anything_
> to get EMC running with the 7I43
>
> Heres the (lazy) path I followed:
>
> Install EMC 2.2.6 from LiveCD
>
> Upgrade to 2.2.7 (via synaptic)
>
> Upgrade to 2.2.8 (via synaptic)
>
> launch emc from menu
>
> double click on hm2servo
>
> UP AND RUNNING!
>
> Peter Wallace
> Mesa Electronics
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[Emc-users] AB axis geometry compensation
Gentlemen, I posted this http://pastebin.ca/1290847. It is the A and B axis compensation I have been working on. I don't have it coded for EMC. I will work on that. I posted it for a week expiration. grab if you want critique if you want - I would like that question? thanks Stuart -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
