Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

2012-04-17 Thread Andrew
17 квітня 2012 р. 03:24 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com написав:

 What I am asking is if the 7I39 encoder inputs work normally now
 If not, this still suggests a wiring error of some kind


I test only X axis now. The encoder is connected to 1 (A) and 3 (B) wires
of ribbon cable, and it works on X axis. The cable connects 7i43 (P4) to
7i39.
The motor is connected to bottom right connector on 7i39, from bottom to
top: Ground, U, V, W.
Top left corner orange LED on 7i39 lights, as well as bottom green LED
among 5. When I start the machine, the middle orange LED of 5 lights too. I
guess 7i39 receives power well. Absolutely no idea what can be wrong.
BTW manual shows 1+5 leds but only 5 described.

Andrew
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Re: [Emc-users] C Compiler - MPLAB

2012-04-17 Thread John Prentice
Greetings

- Original Message - 
From: Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com


 On 4/16/2012 5:00 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
 As far as I can tell, ARMs are in a different class. (Price, complexity,
 performance, etc.)
 There are dozens of companies making
 thousands of ARM processor variations.  One will have the
 peripherial/memory flavor at the price point you need.  The code is 
 mostly
 compatible from the top to bottom of the cortex line (and *WAY* more than
 porting from TI to AVR to PIC, etc)

 Stephen



 OK... I'll bite.   What kind of software tool chain and hardware is good
 to get started on a NXP LPC or similar Arm?


I am not an expert - in fact only just round the next corner from you.

I followed this path:
(a) Arduino UNO/Mega - limitations of the 8 bit data.
(b) Netduino (Atmel AT91SAM7X512) C# in Microsoft VisualStudio - hopeless 
speed on interpreted C# and difficulty of adding native code without 
expensive Kiel tools.
(c) Netduino with IAR Embedded workbench - chip programming by USB but no 
debugging
(d) Atmel AT91SAM7x-EK - same processor albeit smaller memory - JTAG 
connector and a minimal debugging serial port. In-circuit programming and 
debugging by SEGGER J-Link (I got the SAM-ICE customised version but that 
might have been limiting for the future) over the JTAG plus printf to the 
serial port.

IAR is free for limited code size and non-commercial use. So far I have 
found experimentation very pleasant.

Be interested to read others comments.

John Prentice 


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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread John Thornton
At least I can open up the stl files and view them in 3-D. There are 
several areas that are impossible to machine... they could be injection 
molded but not machined. Sharp inside corners in the Z axis are not 
machinable... if they have a radius they can be machined. The smaller 
the radius the longer it will take to machine as the tool would be 
small. I can only view a stl file and can't make a solid out of it...

Is there some reason you selected PVC as the material?

John

On 4/16/2012 4:26 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Ok, hadn't thought that far.  www.aercon.net/Public/Pumpitems.zip

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:

 The dxf and pdf came through this time but too much detail is missing.
 The alibre web site says the software can export to STL which I can open.

 John

 On 4/16/2012 3:36 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Try these again.The ad_prt is an alibre file.  I intend to get iges/step
 exporting, but currently only have alibre pe.

 For some reason, fireftp isn't doing its job, and was uploading
 incomplete
 files.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Chiujoec...@joechiu.com
   wrote:
 I've recently got a bunch of parts from FirstCut (Part of ProtoLabs,
 which started out as ProtoMold) that turned out well.  Years ago, I
 used Rapid Sheet Metal for sheet work, and was very happy.  Their
 affiliate company, Rapid Machining, is working on a piece for me right
 now.  Their prices were better than FirstCut for 5-days turns, while
 FC was better for 1-3 day turns.

 With FC and RM, they used my exported STEP 214 files from Alibre.
 With FC, I use their online system to call out the threads.  With RM,
 I had a separate .pdf calling out my threads.

 Both places have a +/- 0.005 as a standard tolerance; but usually
 achieves much better than that.  FC only supports a limited number of
 threads.  RM appears to be more flexible.

 One thing about FC -- they claim they have a bed size limit of 7 x
 10 -- but it turns out for thinner parts, the supported bed size can
 be much bigger, depending on thickness.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 Erik,

 I get invalid or incomplete for the dxf and bad file for the ad_prt
 file. Can you save the file as step or iges?

 thanks
 John

 On 4/16/2012 2:00 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 The 3d pdf's created by alibre are a little flaky.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT


 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I can't see much on the pdf, do you have a cad drawing or 3d model of
 the part?

 John Thornton

 On 4/16/2012 1:42 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Around 50 pieces each.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:

 On 4/16/2012 1:35 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Has anyone here use e-machine shop, or anything like it?  I am
 needing
 to
 outsource some cnc work, but not sure where to go.  One of the
 guys
 on
 this
 project had mentioned www.mfg.com, but I am pretty leery of it.
It is
 all
 plastic machining, pvc sheet.  Here
 http://www.aercon.net//Public/Base.pdfis one of three,
 dimensions
 are 4 x 2.35

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge HNC

2012-04-17 Thread John Thornton
I converted my CHNC a while back with a Mesa 5i20 + 7i33TA + 7i37TA 
cards. My CHNC uses encoders so that part was easy... as I understand 
the HNC has resolvers so you need an additional card for that. IIRC ssi 
on the IRC just finished converting a HNC as well as many others. I'm in 
the process of converting my BP Anilam CNC mill with a 5i25 + 7i77 card 
and a D525 motherboard which will eliminate 2 of the 3 giant electrical 
panels hanging off of the BP knee mill...

John

On 4/16/2012 7:17 PM, Terry Christophersen wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have a Hardinge HNC that I am toying with the idea of retrofitting.I know 
 there is
 a few on this list that have done so,I would like to know the amp/motor 
 combos that are
 in use.I have one that I put a Centroid on a few years ago but I dont have 
 the workload
 for another 10K kit for this one.I would just use it for a rush job so I dont 
 have to tear down the
 other HNC.
   
 I would assume that the origional axis motors would be usable as they were 
 working when I
 shut it off 5yrs ago.Maybe Jon Elsons amps would be a good choice?
   
 Thanks
   
 Terry

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge HNC

2012-04-17 Thread Ian McMahon
Yes, I'm ssi on IRC, and the conversion was quite straightforward.   I have 
$400 in Mesa gear, under $200 for two vfds, and miscellaneous wiring supplies.  
The stock resolvers work great with mesa's 7i49, there's no problems with the 
Hiak amps.   The only issue I ran into was dirty tachs, and they cleaned up 
easy enough. 

Conversion took about 2 weeks of evenings.

Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 7:57 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I converted my CHNC a while back with a Mesa 5i20 + 7i33TA + 7i37TA 
 cards. My CHNC uses encoders so that part was easy... as I understand 
 the HNC has resolvers so you need an additional card for that. IIRC ssi 
 on the IRC just finished converting a HNC as well as many others. I'm in 
 the process of converting my BP Anilam CNC mill with a 5i25 + 7i77 card 
 and a D525 motherboard which will eliminate 2 of the 3 giant electrical 
 panels hanging off of the BP knee mill...
 
 John
 
 On 4/16/2012 7:17 PM, Terry Christophersen wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have a Hardinge HNC that I am toying with the idea of retrofitting.I know 
 there is
 a few on this list that have done so,I would like to know the amp/motor 
 combos that are
 in use.I have one that I put a Centroid on a few years ago but I dont have 
 the workload
 for another 10K kit for this one.I would just use it for a rush job so I 
 dont have to tear down the
 other HNC.
 
 I would assume that the origional axis motors would be usable as they were 
 working when I
 shut it off 5yrs ago.Maybe Jon Elsons amps would be a good choice?
 
 Thanks
 
 Terry
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge HNC

2012-04-17 Thread andy pugh
On 17 April 2012 12:57, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I converted my CHNC a while back with a Mesa 5i20 + 7i33TA + 7i37TA
 cards. My CHNC uses encoders so that part was easy... as I understand
 the HNC has resolvers so you need an additional card for that

There is support for the Mesa 7i49 in the 2.5 release of LinuxCNC (if
I am reading git.linuxcnc.org correctly)
So, 5i23 + 7i49 + 7i37TA ought to work.

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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
Which areas?  I have built 10 of these on my 3 axis machine.  I had to hand
drill the hole in the side of the lid.  Everything else was done with 1/4,
1/8, and 1/16 bits.

PVC is the only cost effective material with resistance to bromine.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:43 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 At least I can open up the stl files and view them in 3-D. There are
 several areas that are impossible to machine... they could be injection
 molded but not machined. Sharp inside corners in the Z axis are not
 machinable... if they have a radius they can be machined. The smaller
 the radius the longer it will take to machine as the tool would be
 small. I can only view a stl file and can't make a solid out of it...

 Is there some reason you selected PVC as the material?

 John

 On 4/16/2012 4:26 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Ok, hadn't thought that far.  www.aercon.net/Public/Pumpitems.zip
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:
 
  The dxf and pdf came through this time but too much detail is missing.
  The alibre web site says the software can export to STL which I can
 open.
 
  John
 
  On 4/16/2012 3:36 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Try these again.The ad_prt is an alibre file.  I intend to get
 iges/step
  exporting, but currently only have alibre pe.
 
  For some reason, fireftp isn't doing its job, and was uploading
  incomplete
  files.
 
  DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
  PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
  Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Chiujoec...@joechiu.com
wrote:
  I've recently got a bunch of parts from FirstCut (Part of ProtoLabs,
  which started out as ProtoMold) that turned out well.  Years ago, I
  used Rapid Sheet Metal for sheet work, and was very happy.  Their
  affiliate company, Rapid Machining, is working on a piece for me right
  now.  Their prices were better than FirstCut for 5-days turns, while
  FC was better for 1-3 day turns.
 
  With FC and RM, they used my exported STEP 214 files from Alibre.
  With FC, I use their online system to call out the threads.  With RM,
  I had a separate .pdf calling out my threads.
 
  Both places have a +/- 0.005 as a standard tolerance; but usually
  achieves much better than that.  FC only supports a limited number of
  threads.  RM appears to be more flexible.
 
  One thing about FC -- they claim they have a bed size limit of 7 x
  10 -- but it turns out for thinner parts, the supported bed size can
  be much bigger, depending on thickness.
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
wrote:
  Erik,
 
  I get invalid or incomplete for the dxf and bad file for the ad_prt
  file. Can you save the file as step or iges?
 
  thanks
  John
 
  On 4/16/2012 2:00 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  The 3d pdf's created by alibre are a little flaky.
 
  DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
  PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
  Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I can't see much on the pdf, do you have a cad drawing or 3d model
 of
  the part?
 
  John Thornton
 
  On 4/16/2012 1:42 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Around 50 pieces each.
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:
 
  On 4/16/2012 1:35 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Has anyone here use e-machine shop, or anything like it?  I am
  needing
  to
  outsource some cnc work, but not sure where to go.  One of the
  guys
  on
  this
  project had mentioned www.mfg.com, but I am pretty leery of it.
 It is
  all
  plastic machining, pvc sheet.  Here
  http://www.aercon.net//Public/Base.pdfis one of three,
  dimensions
  are 4 x 2.35
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] C Compiler - MPLAB

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
I know this is somewhat up to debate, but having everything under one roof
is worth something.  To the inexperienced person, everything in the last 5+
posts is complete greek.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:33 AM, John Prentice 
j...@castlewd.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

 Greetings

 - Original Message -
 From: Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com


  On 4/16/2012 5:00 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
  As far as I can tell, ARMs are in a different class. (Price,
 complexity,
  performance, etc.)
  There are dozens of companies making
  thousands of ARM processor variations.  One will have the
  peripherial/memory flavor at the price point you need.  The code is
  mostly
  compatible from the top to bottom of the cortex line (and *WAY* more
 than
  porting from TI to AVR to PIC, etc)
 
  Stephen
 
 
 
  OK... I'll bite.   What kind of software tool chain and hardware is good
  to get started on a NXP LPC or similar Arm?
 
 
 I am not an expert - in fact only just round the next corner from you.

 I followed this path:
 (a) Arduino UNO/Mega - limitations of the 8 bit data.
 (b) Netduino (Atmel AT91SAM7X512) C# in Microsoft VisualStudio - hopeless
 speed on interpreted C# and difficulty of adding native code without
 expensive Kiel tools.
 (c) Netduino with IAR Embedded workbench - chip programming by USB but no
 debugging
 (d) Atmel AT91SAM7x-EK - same processor albeit smaller memory - JTAG
 connector and a minimal debugging serial port. In-circuit programming and
 debugging by SEGGER J-Link (I got the SAM-ICE customised version but that
 might have been limiting for the future) over the JTAG plus printf to the
 serial port.

 IAR is free for limited code size and non-commercial use. So far I have
 found experimentation very pleasant.

 Be interested to read others comments.

 John Prentice



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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread John Thornton
It appears that all the hexes have sharp inside corners as well as a 
couple of places on the inside of the base. The bosses around the screw 
holes on the top inside corners are drawn sharp inside corners. The 
middle section bosses for the screw holes also have sharp inside 
corners. I wish SolidWorks would do more with the stl file than just 
create an image of it in one color with no edges...

I had to google bromine to see what that is...

When you machined them did you machine the radius on all the outside 
corners with a radius bit?

John

On 4/17/2012 7:17 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Which areas?  I have built 10 of these on my 3 axis machine.  I had to hand
 drill the hole in the side of the lid.  Everything else was done with 1/4,
 1/8, and 1/16 bits.

 PVC is the only cost effective material with resistance to bromine.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:43 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:

 At least I can open up the stl files and view them in 3-D. There are
 several areas that are impossible to machine... they could be injection
 molded but not machined. Sharp inside corners in the Z axis are not
 machinable... if they have a radius they can be machined. The smaller
 the radius the longer it will take to machine as the tool would be
 small. I can only view a stl file and can't make a solid out of it...

 Is there some reason you selected PVC as the material?

 John

 On 4/16/2012 4:26 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Ok, hadn't thought that far.  www.aercon.net/Public/Pumpitems.zip

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com   wrote:

 The dxf and pdf came through this time but too much detail is missing.
 The alibre web site says the software can export to STL which I can
 open.
 John

 On 4/16/2012 3:36 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Try these again.The ad_prt is an alibre file.  I intend to get
 iges/step
 exporting, but currently only have alibre pe.

 For some reason, fireftp isn't doing its job, and was uploading
 incomplete
 files.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Chiujoec...@joechiu.com
wrote:
 I've recently got a bunch of parts from FirstCut (Part of ProtoLabs,
 which started out as ProtoMold) that turned out well.  Years ago, I
 used Rapid Sheet Metal for sheet work, and was very happy.  Their
 affiliate company, Rapid Machining, is working on a piece for me right
 now.  Their prices were better than FirstCut for 5-days turns, while
 FC was better for 1-3 day turns.

 With FC and RM, they used my exported STEP 214 files from Alibre.
 With FC, I use their online system to call out the threads.  With RM,
 I had a separate .pdf calling out my threads.

 Both places have a +/- 0.005 as a standard tolerance; but usually
 achieves much better than that.  FC only supports a limited number of
 threads.  RM appears to be more flexible.

 One thing about FC -- they claim they have a bed size limit of 7 x
 10 -- but it turns out for thinner parts, the supported bed size can
 be much bigger, depending on thickness.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Erik,

 I get invalid or incomplete for the dxf and bad file for the ad_prt
 file. Can you save the file as step or iges?

 thanks
 John

 On 4/16/2012 2:00 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 The 3d pdf's created by alibre are a little flaky.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT


 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I can't see much on the pdf, do you have a cad drawing or 3d model
 of
 the part?

 John Thornton

 On 4/16/2012 1:42 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Around 50 pieces each.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com  wrote:

 On 4/16/2012 1:35 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Has anyone here use e-machine shop, or anything like it?  I am
 needing
 to
 outsource some cnc work, but not sure where to go.  One of the
 guys
 on
 this
 project had mentioned www.mfg.com, but I am pretty leery of it.
 It is
 all
 plastic machining, pvc sheet.  Here
 http://www.aercon.net//Public/Base.pdfis one of three,
 dimensions
 are 4 x 2.35

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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread John Thornton
Someone on the SolidWorks forum said there is a free 30 day trial of 
alibre that is full featured and the files can be exported as a step or 
parasolid file which is a native file for SW. I'm downloading the trial 
now to see so if you want to link to the three parts in alibre I'll try 
and convert them.

John

On 4/17/2012 7:17 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Which areas?  I have built 10 of these on my 3 axis machine.  I had to hand
 drill the hole in the side of the lid.  Everything else was done with 1/4,
 1/8, and 1/16 bits.

 PVC is the only cost effective material with resistance to bromine.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:43 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:

 At least I can open up the stl files and view them in 3-D. There are
 several areas that are impossible to machine... they could be injection
 molded but not machined. Sharp inside corners in the Z axis are not
 machinable... if they have a radius they can be machined. The smaller
 the radius the longer it will take to machine as the tool would be
 small. I can only view a stl file and can't make a solid out of it...

 Is there some reason you selected PVC as the material?

 John

 On 4/16/2012 4:26 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Ok, hadn't thought that far.  www.aercon.net/Public/Pumpitems.zip

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com   wrote:

 The dxf and pdf came through this time but too much detail is missing.
 The alibre web site says the software can export to STL which I can
 open.
 John

 On 4/16/2012 3:36 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Try these again.The ad_prt is an alibre file.  I intend to get
 iges/step
 exporting, but currently only have alibre pe.

 For some reason, fireftp isn't doing its job, and was uploading
 incomplete
 files.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Chiujoec...@joechiu.com
wrote:
 I've recently got a bunch of parts from FirstCut (Part of ProtoLabs,
 which started out as ProtoMold) that turned out well.  Years ago, I
 used Rapid Sheet Metal for sheet work, and was very happy.  Their
 affiliate company, Rapid Machining, is working on a piece for me right
 now.  Their prices were better than FirstCut for 5-days turns, while
 FC was better for 1-3 day turns.

 With FC and RM, they used my exported STEP 214 files from Alibre.
 With FC, I use their online system to call out the threads.  With RM,
 I had a separate .pdf calling out my threads.

 Both places have a +/- 0.005 as a standard tolerance; but usually
 achieves much better than that.  FC only supports a limited number of
 threads.  RM appears to be more flexible.

 One thing about FC -- they claim they have a bed size limit of 7 x
 10 -- but it turns out for thinner parts, the supported bed size can
 be much bigger, depending on thickness.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Erik,

 I get invalid or incomplete for the dxf and bad file for the ad_prt
 file. Can you save the file as step or iges?

 thanks
 John

 On 4/16/2012 2:00 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 The 3d pdf's created by alibre are a little flaky.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT


 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I can't see much on the pdf, do you have a cad drawing or 3d model
 of
 the part?

 John Thornton

 On 4/16/2012 1:42 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Around 50 pieces each.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com  wrote:

 On 4/16/2012 1:35 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Has anyone here use e-machine shop, or anything like it?  I am
 needing
 to
 outsource some cnc work, but not sure where to go.  One of the
 guys
 on
 this
 project had mentioned www.mfg.com, but I am pretty leery of it.
 It is
 all
 plastic machining, pvc sheet.  Here
 http://www.aercon.net//Public/Base.pdfis one of three,
 dimensions
 are 4 x 2.35

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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
The only places that require a 1/16 bit are the o ring grooves on the base
and middle pieces.  Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.

I machined the radius with a ball end mill, which is time consuming, but
less than doing it by hand.  The base this fits in was machined using a
ball end, so to fit I have to radius the bottom.

Here is what mine http://aercon.net/Public/Image40.jpg looks like.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:58 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Someone on the SolidWorks forum said there is a free 30 day trial of
 alibre that is full featured and the files can be exported as a step or
 parasolid file which is a native file for SW. I'm downloading the trial
 now to see so if you want to link to the three parts in alibre I'll try
 and convert them.

 John

 On 4/17/2012 7:17 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Which areas?  I have built 10 of these on my 3 axis machine.  I had to
 hand
  drill the hole in the side of the lid.  Everything else was done with
 1/4,
  1/8, and 1/16 bits.
 
  PVC is the only cost effective material with resistance to bromine.
 
  On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:43 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:
 
  At least I can open up the stl files and view them in 3-D. There are
  several areas that are impossible to machine... they could be injection
  molded but not machined. Sharp inside corners in the Z axis are not
  machinable... if they have a radius they can be machined. The smaller
  the radius the longer it will take to machine as the tool would be
  small. I can only view a stl file and can't make a solid out of it...
 
  Is there some reason you selected PVC as the material?
 
  John
 
  On 4/16/2012 4:26 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Ok, hadn't thought that far.  www.aercon.net/Public/Pumpitems.zip
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  The dxf and pdf came through this time but too much detail is missing.
  The alibre web site says the software can export to STL which I can
  open.
  John
 
  On 4/16/2012 3:36 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Try these again.The ad_prt is an alibre file.  I intend to get
  iges/step
  exporting, but currently only have alibre pe.
 
  For some reason, fireftp isn't doing its job, and was uploading
  incomplete
  files.
 
  DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
  PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
  Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Chiujoec...@joechiu.com
 wrote:
  I've recently got a bunch of parts from FirstCut (Part of ProtoLabs,
  which started out as ProtoMold) that turned out well.  Years ago, I
  used Rapid Sheet Metal for sheet work, and was very happy.  Their
  affiliate company, Rapid Machining, is working on a piece for me
 right
  now.  Their prices were better than FirstCut for 5-days turns, while
  FC was better for 1-3 day turns.
 
  With FC and RM, they used my exported STEP 214 files from Alibre.
  With FC, I use their online system to call out the threads.  With
 RM,
  I had a separate .pdf calling out my threads.
 
  Both places have a +/- 0.005 as a standard tolerance; but usually
  achieves much better than that.  FC only supports a limited number
 of
  threads.  RM appears to be more flexible.
 
  One thing about FC -- they claim they have a bed size limit of 7 x
  10 -- but it turns out for thinner parts, the supported bed size
 can
  be much bigger, depending on thickness.
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Erik,
 
  I get invalid or incomplete for the dxf and bad file for the ad_prt
  file. Can you save the file as step or iges?
 
  thanks
  John
 
  On 4/16/2012 2:00 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  The 3d pdf's created by alibre are a little flaky.
 
  DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
  PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
  Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I can't see much on the pdf, do you have a cad drawing or 3d
 model
  of
  the part?
 
  John Thornton
 
  On 4/16/2012 1:42 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Around 50 pieces each.
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com
  wrote:
 
  On 4/16/2012 1:35 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Has anyone here use e-machine shop, or anything like it?  I am
  needing
  to
  outsource some cnc work, but not sure where to go.  One of the
  guys
  on
  this
  project had mentioned www.mfg.com, but I am pretty leery of
 it.
  It is
  all
  plastic machining, pvc sheet.  Here
  http://www.aercon.net//Public/Base.pdfis one of three,
  dimensions
  are 4 x 2.35
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread andy pugh
On 17 April 2012 14:02, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote:
 Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.

In that case you need to draw it with a 1/8 radius, or the machine
shops will quote for the part as-drawn, and you will be paying a lot
more for difficult machining that you don't need.

I see, for example, that you don't have hexagonal recesses in your
part, but they exist in the model.

If you want to keep nuts captive then a rounded triangle will work
nearly as well, but can be much more easily machined.

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Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

2012-04-17 Thread rob c

So the 7i39 is a brush less DC motor, if your trying to see if the motor it 
self is functional just hook it up to a DC power supply, 12V would do just 
fine, if it rotates regardless of polarity the motor is good and you need to 
move onto the electronics.
What are you hooking the encoder to? What kind of encoder is it?

 From: parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:21:20 +0300
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors
 
 17 квітня 2012 р. 03:24 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com написав:
 
  What I am asking is if the 7I39 encoder inputs work normally now
  If not, this still suggests a wiring error of some kind
 
 
 I test only X axis now. The encoder is connected to 1 (A) and 3 (B) wires
 of ribbon cable, and it works on X axis. The cable connects 7i43 (P4) to
 7i39.
 The motor is connected to bottom right connector on 7i39, from bottom to
 top: Ground, U, V, W.
 Top left corner orange LED on 7i39 lights, as well as bottom green LED
 among 5. When I start the machine, the middle orange LED of 5 lights too. I
 guess 7i39 receives power well. Absolutely no idea what can be wrong.
 BTW manual shows 1+5 leds but only 5 described.
 
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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread John Thornton
The top part just has some counterbores for SHCS's.  And yes I agree the 
part should be modeled with a radius on inside corners as allowed.

John

On 4/17/2012 8:13 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 17 April 2012 14:02, Erik Friesene...@aercon.net  wrote:
 Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.
 In that case you need to draw it with a 1/8 radius, or the machine
 shops will quote for the part as-drawn, and you will be paying a lot
 more for difficult machining that you don't need.

 I see, for example, that you don't have hexagonal recesses in your
 part, but they exist in the model.

 If you want to keep nuts captive then a rounded triangle will work
 nearly as well, but can be much more easily machined.


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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
I get some new corrected ones on here after a bit.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 The top part just has some counterbores for SHCS's.  And yes I agree the
 part should be modeled with a radius on inside corners as allowed.

 John

 On 4/17/2012 8:13 AM, andy pugh wrote:
  On 17 April 2012 14:02, Erik Friesene...@aercon.net  wrote:
  Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.
  In that case you need to draw it with a 1/8 radius, or the machine
  shops will quote for the part as-drawn, and you will be paying a lot
  more for difficult machining that you don't need.
 
  I see, for example, that you don't have hexagonal recesses in your
  part, but they exist in the model.
 
  If you want to keep nuts captive then a rounded triangle will work
  nearly as well, but can be much more easily machined.
 


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Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

2012-04-17 Thread Greg Bernard
How is a brushless motor going to rotate with just a DC power supply?

 
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 From: rob c crob...@live.ca
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors
 

So the 7i39 is a brush less DC motor, if your trying to see if the motor it 
self is functional just hook it up to a DC power supply, 12V would do just 
fine, if it rotates regardless of polarity the motor is good and you need to 
move onto the electronics.
What are you hooking the encoder to? What kind of encoder is it?

 From: parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:21:20 +0300
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors
 
 17 квітня 2012 р. 03:24 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com написав:
 
  What I am asking is if the 7I39 encoder inputs work normally now
  If not, this still suggests a wiring error of some kind
 
 
 I test only X axis now. The encoder is connected to 1 (A) and 3 (B) wires
 of ribbon cable, and it works on X axis. The cable connects 7i43 (P4) to
 7i39.
 The motor is connected to bottom right connector on 7i39, from bottom to
 top: Ground, U, V, W.
 Top left corner orange LED on 7i39 lights, as well as bottom green LED
 among 5. When I start the machine, the middle orange LED of 5 lights too. I
 guess 7i39 receives power well. Absolutely no idea what can be wrong.
 BTW manual shows 1+5 leds but only 5 described.
 
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Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

2012-04-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Andrew wrote:


Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:21:20 +0300
From: Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com
Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

17  2012 ??. 03:24 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com 
??:



What I am asking is if the 7I39 encoder inputs work normally now
If not, this still suggests a wiring error of some kind




I test only X axis now. The encoder is connected to 1 (A) and 3 (B) wires
of ribbon cable, and it works on X axis. The cable connects 7i43 (P4) to
7i39.
The motor is connected to bottom right connector on 7i39, from bottom to
top: Ground, U, V, W.
Top left corner orange LED on 7i39 lights, as well as bottom green LED
among 5. When I start the machine, the middle orange LED of 5 lights too. I
guess 7i39 receives power well. Absolutely no idea what can be wrong.
BTW manual shows 1+5 leds but only 5 described.



Andrew


Flat cable problems? The fact that the encoder inputs on the 7I39 do not work 
for you means something is wrong either on the 7I39s or the interconnections 
to the 7I43



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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread John Thornton
Strangely enough my CAM software (OneCNC) will open a stl file but I 
can't extract any edges or surfaces for machining.

I registered twice to get the trial download but have not received the 
email yet with the information... the next page gave me another register 
page and wouldn't you know I got an email from a salesperson asap...

http://mkt.alibre.com/testdrive

John


On 4/17/2012 8:32 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 I get some new corrected ones on here after a bit.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:

 The top part just has some counterbores for SHCS's.  And yes I agree the
 part should be modeled with a radius on inside corners as allowed.

 John

 On 4/17/2012 8:13 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 17 April 2012 14:02, Erik Friesene...@aercon.net   wrote:
 Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.
 In that case you need to draw it with a 1/8 radius, or the machine
 shops will quote for the part as-drawn, and you will be paying a lot
 more for difficult machining that you don't need.

 I see, for example, that you don't have hexagonal recesses in your
 part, but they exist in the model.

 If you want to keep nuts captive then a rounded triangle will work
 nearly as well, but can be much more easily machined.


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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
Whats is the cost for OneCNC?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Strangely enough my CAM software (OneCNC) will open a stl file but I
 can't extract any edges or surfaces for machining.

 I registered twice to get the trial download but have not received the
 email yet with the information... the next page gave me another register
 page and wouldn't you know I got an email from a salesperson asap...

 http://mkt.alibre.com/testdrive

 John


 On 4/17/2012 8:32 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  I get some new corrected ones on here after a bit.
 
  On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:
 
  The top part just has some counterbores for SHCS's.  And yes I agree the
  part should be modeled with a radius on inside corners as allowed.
 
  John
 
  On 4/17/2012 8:13 AM, andy pugh wrote:
  On 17 April 2012 14:02, Erik Friesene...@aercon.net   wrote:
  Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.
  In that case you need to draw it with a 1/8 radius, or the machine
  shops will quote for the part as-drawn, and you will be paying a lot
  more for difficult machining that you don't need.
 
  I see, for example, that you don't have hexagonal recesses in your
  part, but they exist in the model.
 
  If you want to keep nuts captive then a rounded triangle will work
  nearly as well, but can be much more easily machined.
 
 
 
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[Emc-users] the state of the Wiki

2012-04-17 Thread Kent A. Reed
Gentle persons:

When the dust settles over some of the recent, long threads on subjects 
like G540 Test Update and BLDC I hope the essences of the 
subjects get distilled into useful pages on our Wiki.

Speaking of the Wiki nudge, nudge, wink, wink, it could use a lot more 
editorial work. Looking at the Recent Changes listing, I see the usual 
few suspects making progress but there is a lot of work left.

Back in January, after the decision was announced to rebrand our work 
LinuxCNC, I spent time under my SourceForge pseudonym CNCDreamer trying 
to fix up the most egregious instances of EMC2 but had to leave a 
number of pages marked as in progress because they required technical 
changes I felt unprepared or even unqualified to make. Looking now, I 
see many of the same pages haven't been touched since. There are a 
number of pages that are terribly stale and the organization of the home 
page is trending toward chaos. Try to read it like you were new to 
LinuxCNC and see what you make of it.

I wish I were in a position to do more of what needs to be done, but 
recent challenges at home make a concerted effort impossible. I'm lucky 
to have time to skim the mail-list traffic and I have a bunch of 
projects that haven't progressed beyond acquisition of parts.

Come on, jump in, the water's fine.

Regards,
Kent


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[Emc-users] Fw: machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread dave


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:43:13 -0500
From: John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] machine shop
advice


At least I can open up the stl files and view them in 3-D. There are 
several areas that are impossible to machine... they could be injection 
molded but not machined. Sharp inside corners in the Z axis are not 
machinable... if they have a radius they can be machined. The smaller 
the radius the longer it will take to machine as the tool would be 
small. I can only view a stl file and can't make a solid out of it...

Is there some reason you selected PVC as the material?

From a plastics manufacturer:
. Materials that are resistant to bromine are few: titanium, fiberglass
reinforced plastic (FRP) and PVDF. PVDF was considered the best choice
because vessels made of FRP have been known to blister and fail
prematurely, whereas titanium is very expensive.

From Cole-Parmer database:
Listed as very good; viton, pvdf, teflon, noryl, kel-f, hastelloy-c.
Ti was listed as poor. 

Another source listed stainless steel but did not recommend Ti

No one listed glass which is absolutely resistant to bromine but not
much of an engineering material. 

Clearly YMMV.  Good luck. 

Dave

John

On 4/16/2012 4:26 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Ok, hadn't thought that far.  www.aercon.net/Public/Pumpitems.zip

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The dxf and pdf came through this time but too much detail is
 missing. The alibre web site says the software can export to STL
 which I can open.

 John

 On 4/16/2012 3:36 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Try these again.The ad_prt is an alibre file.  I intend to get
 iges/step exporting, but currently only have alibre pe.

 For some reason, fireftp isn't doing its job, and was uploading
 incomplete
 files.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Chiujoec...@joechiu.com
   wrote:
 I've recently got a bunch of parts from FirstCut (Part of
 ProtoLabs, which started out as ProtoMold) that turned out well.
 Years ago, I used Rapid Sheet Metal for sheet work, and was very
 happy.  Their affiliate company, Rapid Machining, is working on a
 piece for me right now.  Their prices were better than FirstCut
 for 5-days turns, while FC was better for 1-3 day turns.

 With FC and RM, they used my exported STEP 214 files from Alibre.
 With FC, I use their online system to call out the threads.  With
 RM, I had a separate .pdf calling out my threads.

 Both places have a +/- 0.005 as a standard tolerance; but usually
 achieves much better than that.  FC only supports a limited number
 of threads.  RM appears to be more flexible.

 One thing about FC -- they claim they have a bed size limit of 7 x
 10 -- but it turns out for thinner parts, the supported bed size
 can be much bigger, depending on thickness.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 Erik,

 I get invalid or incomplete for the dxf and bad file for the
 ad_prt file. Can you save the file as step or iges?

 thanks
 John

 On 4/16/2012 2:00 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 The 3d pdf's created by alibre are a little flaky.

 DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
 PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
 Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT


 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I can't see much on the pdf, do you have a cad drawing or 3d
 model of the part?

 John Thornton

 On 4/16/2012 1:42 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Around 50 pieces each.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com
 wrote:

 On 4/16/2012 1:35 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Has anyone here use e-machine shop, or anything like it?  I
 am
 needing
 to
 outsource some cnc work, but not sure where to go.  One of
 the
 guys
 on
 this
 project had mentioned www.mfg.com, but I am pretty leery of
 it.
It is
 all
 plastic machining, pvc sheet.  Here
 http://www.aercon.net//Public/Base.pdfis one of three,
 dimensions
 are 4 x 2.35

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[Emc-users] Kirks Hardinge project...

2012-04-17 Thread Roger Holmquist
I just looked at your Hardinge lathe Kirk and found a HAL-file who by my Newbie 
eyes found unfinished!
Ayway, just in case here it is: 
http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/nc_files/M111
and I guess you simply haven't finished it yet, it's a copy if M110...

Nice to have a boltsnut view as our Storebro260 might follow part of your path!

/ Roger



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Re: [Emc-users] Fw: machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
Its not pure bromine.  Its just enough to make some plastics brittle.  Its
in tablet form, so it is probably an occasional 10% ?? liquid?

Why the fuss over pvc?  It machines ok for me.  Its much better than uhmw.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:



 Begin forwarded message:

 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:43:13 -0500
 From: John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] machine shop
 advice


 At least I can open up the stl files and view them in 3-D. There are
 several areas that are impossible to machine... they could be injection
 molded but not machined. Sharp inside corners in the Z axis are not
 machinable... if they have a radius they can be machined. The smaller
 the radius the longer it will take to machine as the tool would be
 small. I can only view a stl file and can't make a solid out of it...

 Is there some reason you selected PVC as the material?

 From a plastics manufacturer:
 . Materials that are resistant to bromine are few: titanium, fiberglass
 reinforced plastic (FRP) and PVDF. PVDF was considered the best choice
 because vessels made of FRP have been known to blister and fail
 prematurely, whereas titanium is very expensive.

 From Cole-Parmer database:
 Listed as very good; viton, pvdf, teflon, noryl, kel-f, hastelloy-c.
 Ti was listed as poor.

 Another source listed stainless steel but did not recommend Ti

 No one listed glass which is absolutely resistant to bromine but not
 much of an engineering material.

 Clearly YMMV.  Good luck.

 Dave

 John

 On 4/16/2012 4:26 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Ok, hadn't thought that far.  www.aercon.net/Public/Pumpitems.zip
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  The dxf and pdf came through this time but too much detail is
  missing. The alibre web site says the software can export to STL
  which I can open.
 
  John
 
  On 4/16/2012 3:36 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Try these again.The ad_prt is an alibre file.  I intend to get
  iges/step exporting, but currently only have alibre pe.
 
  For some reason, fireftp isn't doing its job, and was uploading
  incomplete
  files.
 
  DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
  PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
  Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Chiujoec...@joechiu.com
wrote:
  I've recently got a bunch of parts from FirstCut (Part of
  ProtoLabs, which started out as ProtoMold) that turned out well.
  Years ago, I used Rapid Sheet Metal for sheet work, and was very
  happy.  Their affiliate company, Rapid Machining, is working on a
  piece for me right now.  Their prices were better than FirstCut
  for 5-days turns, while FC was better for 1-3 day turns.
 
  With FC and RM, they used my exported STEP 214 files from Alibre.
  With FC, I use their online system to call out the threads.  With
  RM, I had a separate .pdf calling out my threads.
 
  Both places have a +/- 0.005 as a standard tolerance; but usually
  achieves much better than that.  FC only supports a limited number
  of threads.  RM appears to be more flexible.
 
  One thing about FC -- they claim they have a bed size limit of 7 x
  10 -- but it turns out for thinner parts, the supported bed size
  can be much bigger, depending on thickness.
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
wrote:
  Erik,
 
  I get invalid or incomplete for the dxf and bad file for the
  ad_prt file. Can you save the file as step or iges?
 
  thanks
  John
 
  On 4/16/2012 2:00 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  The 3d pdf's created by alibre are a little flaky.
 
  DXFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Base.dxf
  PDFhttp://www.aercon.net/Public/Bottom.pdf
  Alibrehttp://aercon.net/Public/Base.AD_PRT
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I can't see much on the pdf, do you have a cad drawing or 3d
  model of the part?
 
  John Thornton
 
  On 4/16/2012 1:42 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Around 50 pieces each.
 
  On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com
  wrote:
 
  On 4/16/2012 1:35 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Has anyone here use e-machine shop, or anything like it?  I
  am
  needing
  to
  outsource some cnc work, but not sure where to go.  One of
  the
  guys
  on
  this
  project had mentioned www.mfg.com, but I am pretty leery of
  it.
 It is
  all
  plastic machining, pvc sheet.  Here
  http://www.aercon.net//Public/Base.pdfis one of three,
  dimensions
  are 4 x 2.35
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

2012-04-17 Thread Andrew
17 квітня 2012 р. 16:50 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com написав:

 Flat cable problems? The fact that the encoder inputs on the 7I39 do not
 work for you means something is wrong either on the 7I39s or the
 interconnections to the 7I43


The cable is probably OK. I bought 2 of them and no one works. And the
cable uses 2 completely pairs of wires for encoder 0 and 1. Very unlikely
that all these wires damaged. And some kind of signal was going to 7i43, so
they're can't be broken. The same with 2 7i39s, none of 2 do not work.
Something might be wrong with the power supply from 7i48 to 7i39, but the
power LED is on, and when I connect 7i48 to the same 7i43 with the same
cable - all OK.
Feels like I'm stuck completely, at least till my oscilloscope arrives
(maybe 2 weeks). Also feels like both 7i39 might be damaged - in the worst
case.


17 квітня 2012 р. 16:28 rob c crob...@live.ca написав:

 So the 7i39 is a brush less DC motor, if your trying to see if the motor
 it self is functional just hook it up to a DC power supply, 12V would do
 just fine, if it rotates regardless of polarity the motor is good and you
 need to move onto the electronics.


BLDC motor won't rotate when connected to DC, unlykely to brushed DC motor.
But it jerks, that's enough to see it's OK.
In my case it's HIWIN linear DC motor, it just moves to a certain point
when connected to DC.

What are you hooking the encoder to? What kind of encoder is it?


It's linear incremental quadrature encoder, connected to MESA 7i39 card (dual
3 phase bridge driver for brushless 3 phase motors).

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Re: [Emc-users] C Compiler - MPLAB

2012-04-17 Thread Dave
Have you used, or are you using the NXP software tools?

I'm downloading the NXP code_red LPCXpresso software right now.  They 
say it is low cost, but so far there has been no cost. :-)
(Where do they get these names from??  LPCXpresso??  )

To the inexperienced person, everything in the last 5+
posts is complete greek.

Don't underestimate the amount of brainpower on this list.  For a lot of the 
folks on this list, if they don't know it, they can figure it out in short 
order!

Dave




On 4/17/2012 8:21 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 I know this is somewhat up to debate, but having everything under one roof
 is worth something.  To the inexperienced person, everything in the last 5+
 posts is complete greek.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:33 AM, John Prentice
 j...@castlewd.freeserve.co.uk  wrote:


 Greetings

 - Original Message -
 From: Davee...@dc9.tzo.com


  
 On 4/16/2012 5:00 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:

 As far as I can tell, ARMs are in a different class. (Price,

 complexity,
  
 performance, etc.)

 There are dozens of companies making
 thousands of ARM processor variations.  One will have the
 peripherial/memory flavor at the price point you need.  The code is
 mostly
 compatible from the top to bottom of the cortex line (and *WAY* more
  
 than
  
 porting from TI to AVR to PIC, etc)

 Stephen

  

 OK... I'll bite.   What kind of software tool chain and hardware is good
 to get started on a NXP LPC or similar Arm?



 I am not an expert - in fact only just round the next corner from you.

 I followed this path:
 (a) Arduino UNO/Mega -  limitations of the 8 bit data.
 (b) Netduino (Atmel AT91SAM7X512) C# in Microsoft VisualStudio - hopeless
 speed on interpreted C# and difficulty of adding native code without
 expensive Kiel tools.
 (c) Netduino with IAR Embedded workbench - chip programming by USB but no
 debugging
 (d) Atmel AT91SAM7x-EK - same processor albeit smaller memory - JTAG
 connector and a minimal debugging serial port. In-circuit programming and
 debugging by SEGGER J-Link (I got the SAM-ICE customised version but that
 might have been limiting for the future) over the JTAG plus printf to the
 serial port.

 IAR is free for limited code size and non-commercial use. So far I have
 found experimentation very pleasant.

 Be interested to read others comments.

 John Prentice


  



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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread John Thornton
IIRC the level of OneCNC I purchased was somewhat over 1k... I can't 
completely recommend it as it does have some UI issues and is not the 
best but it does work for me.

Still no response from the attempt to get a trial version of alibre so 
unless you can create a dxf with all the information needed then that 
would have to be brought into the CAM software and extruded out to a 
solid for the CAM software or an industry standard 3-D file like iges or 
step or parasolid I can't even begin to look at it...

This is frustrating at the least...

John

On 4/17/2012 9:14 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Whats is the cost for OneCNC?

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Strangely enough my CAM software (OneCNC) will open a stl file but I
 can't extract any edges or surfaces for machining.

 I registered twice to get the trial download but have not received the
 email yet with the information... the next page gave me another register
 page and wouldn't you know I got an email from a salesperson asap...

 http://mkt.alibre.com/testdrive

 John


 On 4/17/2012 8:32 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 I get some new corrected ones on here after a bit.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com   wrote:

 The top part just has some counterbores for SHCS's.  And yes I agree the
 part should be modeled with a radius on inside corners as allowed.

 John

 On 4/17/2012 8:13 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 17 April 2012 14:02, Erik Friesene...@aercon.netwrote:
 Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.
 In that case you need to draw it with a 1/8 radius, or the machine
 shops will quote for the part as-drawn, and you will be paying a lot
 more for difficult machining that you don't need.

 I see, for example, that you don't have hexagonal recesses in your
 part, but they exist in the model.

 If you want to keep nuts captive then a rounded triangle will work
 nearly as well, but can be much more easily machined.


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Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

2012-04-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Andrew wrote:


Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:10:26 +0300
From: Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com
Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

17  2012 ??. 16:50 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com 
??:



Flat cable problems? The fact that the encoder inputs on the 7I39 do not
work for you means something is wrong either on the 7I39s or the
interconnections to the 7I43




The cable is probably OK. I bought 2 of them and no one works. And the
cable uses 2 completely pairs of wires for encoder 0 and 1. Very unlikely
that all these wires damaged. And some kind of signal was going to 7i43, so
they're can't be broken. The same with 2 7i39s, none of 2 do not work.
Something might be wrong with the power supply from 7i48 to 7i39, but the
Bpower LED is on, and when I connect 7i48 to the same 7i43 with the same
cable - all OK.
Feels like I'm stuck completely, at least till my oscilloscope arrives
(maybe 2 weeks). Also feels like both 7i39 might be damaged - in the worst
case.


Did you verify the bit file md5 checksum?

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge HNC

2012-04-17 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 20:59 -0700, Terry Christophersen wrote:
 That answers my question.
 That looks like a lot of files to get your turret to work.

I only needed to write the turret.comp and I think the s32equal.comp.
The rest were already available. These config files use the old HAL
commands and need to be updated. I will probably put everything into
one .hal file when I get around to it. I've learned a bit since
converting my HNC, so I would do some things differently now.

 What is the board next to the DAC ?
 I was under the understanding that the PWM main board read the encoders

Those are RS-422 differential receivers that convert the X, Z and
spindle encoder +/- signals to single ended signals. There are RS-422
transmitters on the encoder side of the cables.
http://www.maxim-ic.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/723 

These were used to help prevent electrical noise becoming a problem. I'm
not sure they really helped. After putting filters on the VFD's, I've
had no noise issues.

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Re: [Emc-users] Kirks Hardinge project...

2012-04-17 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:02 +0200, Roger Holmquist wrote:
 I just looked at your Hardinge lathe Kirk and found a HAL-file who by
 my Newbie eyes found unfinished!
 Ayway, just in case here it is:
 http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/nc_files/M111
 and I guess you simply haven't finished it yet, it's a copy if M110...
 
 Nice to have a boltsnut view as our Storebro260 might follow part of
 your path!
 
 / Roger

M110 and M111 look good to me. They both disengage the high and low
clutch, wait a little bit, then M111 engages the High clutch, M110 the
Low clutch. Now that I know more and LinuxCNC has more features, I would
probably do this differently. I should try to create a G-code for the
spindle clutch, plus codes for the collet closer, part chute and parting
slide.

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Re: [Emc-users] C Compiler - MPLAB

2012-04-17 Thread Dave
On 4/17/2012 5:33 AM, John Prentice wrote:
 Greetings

 - Original Message -
 From: Davee...@dc9.tzo.com



 On 4/16/2012 5:00 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
  
 As far as I can tell, ARMs are in a different class. (Price, complexity,
 performance, etc.)
  
 There are dozens of companies making
 thousands of ARM processor variations.  One will have the
 peripherial/memory flavor at the price point you need.  The code is
 mostly
 compatible from the top to bottom of the cortex line (and *WAY* more than
 porting from TI to AVR to PIC, etc)

 Stephen



 OK... I'll bite.   What kind of software tool chain and hardware is good
 to get started on a NXP LPC or similar Arm?


  
 I am not an expert - in fact only just round the next corner from you.

 I followed this path:
 (a) Arduino UNO/Mega -  limitations of the 8 bit data.
 (b) Netduino (Atmel AT91SAM7X512) C# in Microsoft VisualStudio - hopeless
 speed on interpreted C# and difficulty of adding native code without
 expensive Kiel tools.
 (c) Netduino with IAR Embedded workbench - chip programming by USB but no
 debugging
 (d) Atmel AT91SAM7x-EK - same processor albeit smaller memory - JTAG
 connector and a minimal debugging serial port. In-circuit programming and
 debugging by SEGGER J-Link (I got the SAM-ICE customised version but that
 might have been limiting for the future) over the JTAG plus printf to the
 serial port.

 IAR is free for limited code size and non-commercial use. So far I have
 found experimentation very pleasant.

 Be interested to read others comments.

 John Prentice




John,

Thanks for the info..  your comments are very interesting.  The Netduino 
looks interesting but sounds like a non-starter.

It is just a little overwhelming what can be done with these ARM MCUs.

Dave


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[Emc-users] Bldc Drive

2012-04-17 Thread Gabriel Willen
What do you guys think about using one of these to drive a BLDC or AC Servo
motor? http://www.fairchildsemi.com/products/discrete/spm/index.html...
seems like they have a good selection.

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Re: [Emc-users] Bldc Drive

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
Bad link?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Gabriel Willen gabewil...@gmail.comwrote:

 What do you guys think about using one of these to drive a BLDC or AC Servo
 motor? http://www.fairchildsemi.com/products/discrete/spm/index.html...
 seems like they have a good selection.

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Re: [Emc-users] Bldc Drive

2012-04-17 Thread Dave Caroline
remove trailing .
http://www.fairchildsemi.com/products/discrete/spm/index.html

Dave Caroline

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote:
 Bad link?

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Gabriel Willen gabewil...@gmail.comwrote:

 What do you guys think about using one of these to drive a BLDC or AC Servo
 motor? http://www.fairchildsemi.com/products/discrete/spm/index.html...
 seems like they have a good selection.

 Gabe

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Re: [Emc-users] Bldc Drive

2012-04-17 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 01:21:07 PM Erik Friesen did opine:

 Bad link?
 
Yes, and no.  You probably did like me and picked up part of the elipses 
when you clicked on it.

Gary:  The accepted way to post a link is to put it between link's.  That 
makes the system able to automatically separate the link from other, 
perfectly legal chars within the link.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Gabriel Willen 
gabewil...@gmail.comwrote:
  What do you guys think about using one of these to drive a BLDC or AC
  Servo motor?
  http://www.fairchildsemi.com/products/discrete/spm/index.html...
  seems like they have a good selection.
  
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Re: [Emc-users] machine shop advice

2012-04-17 Thread Erik Friesen
Paid$$.  Try these - www.aercon.net/Public/PartsIges.zip

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 IIRC the level of OneCNC I purchased was somewhat over 1k... I can't
 completely recommend it as it does have some UI issues and is not the
 best but it does work for me.

 Still no response from the attempt to get a trial version of alibre so
 unless you can create a dxf with all the information needed then that
 would have to be brought into the CAM software and extruded out to a
 solid for the CAM software or an industry standard 3-D file like iges or
 step or parasolid I can't even begin to look at it...

 This is frustrating at the least...

 John

 On 4/17/2012 9:14 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  Whats is the cost for OneCNC?
 
  On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Strangely enough my CAM software (OneCNC) will open a stl file but I
  can't extract any edges or surfaces for machining.
 
  I registered twice to get the trial download but have not received the
  email yet with the information... the next page gave me another register
  page and wouldn't you know I got an email from a salesperson asap...
 
  http://mkt.alibre.com/testdrive
 
  John
 
 
  On 4/17/2012 8:32 AM, Erik Friesen wrote:
  I get some new corrected ones on here after a bit.
 
  On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, John Thorntonbjt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  The top part just has some counterbores for SHCS's.  And yes I agree
 the
  part should be modeled with a radius on inside corners as allowed.
 
  John
 
  On 4/17/2012 8:13 AM, andy pugh wrote:
  On 17 April 2012 14:02, Erik Friesene...@aercon.netwrote:
  Everything else ended up with 1/8 radius.
  In that case you need to draw it with a 1/8 radius, or the machine
  shops will quote for the part as-drawn, and you will be paying a lot
  more for difficult machining that you don't need.
 
  I see, for example, that you don't have hexagonal recesses in your
  part, but they exist in the model.
 
  If you want to keep nuts captive then a rounded triangle will work
  nearly as well, but can be much more easily machined.
 
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Bldc Drive

2012-04-17 Thread Joachim Franek
See:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Bridges_-_Half,_Full,_Three_Phase

From:
http://osdir.com/ml/emc-users-enhanced-machine-controller/2012-03/msg00162.html
FNB41060 - IGBT SMART PM,600V,10A
 10 Euro at Farnell

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Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors

2012-04-17 Thread rob c

You don't need an Oscilloscope to determine if your power supply is faulty, 
also you can check to continuity of all your wires using a simple multimeter.
Keep it simple.
Again what kind of Encoder are you using?
Rob
http://www.whatisacnc.com  

 From: parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:10:26 +0300
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC on 7i43 + 7i39 + linear motors
 
 17 квітня 2012 р. 16:50 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com написав:
 
  Flat cable problems? The fact that the encoder inputs on the 7I39 do not
  work for you means something is wrong either on the 7I39s or the
  interconnections to the 7I43
 
 
 The cable is probably OK. I bought 2 of them and no one works. And the
 cable uses 2 completely pairs of wires for encoder 0 and 1. Very unlikely
 that all these wires damaged. And some kind of signal was going to 7i43, so
 they're can't be broken. The same with 2 7i39s, none of 2 do not work.
 Something might be wrong with the power supply from 7i48 to 7i39, but the
 power LED is on, and when I connect 7i48 to the same 7i43 with the same
 cable - all OK.
 Feels like I'm stuck completely, at least till my oscilloscope arrives
 (maybe 2 weeks). Also feels like both 7i39 might be damaged - in the worst
 case.
 
 
 17 квітня 2012 р. 16:28 rob c crob...@live.ca написав:
 
  So the 7i39 is a brush less DC motor, if your trying to see if the motor
  it self is functional just hook it up to a DC power supply, 12V would do
  just fine, if it rotates regardless of polarity the motor is good and you
  need to move onto the electronics.
 
 
 BLDC motor won't rotate when connected to DC, unlykely to brushed DC motor.
 But it jerks, that's enough to see it's OK.
 In my case it's HIWIN linear DC motor, it just moves to a certain point
 when connected to DC.
 
 What are you hooking the encoder to? What kind of encoder is it?
 
 
 It's linear incremental quadrature encoder, connected to MESA 7i39 card (dual
 3 phase bridge driver for brushless 3 phase motors).
 
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Re: [Emc-users] C Compiler - MPLAB

2012-04-17 Thread Jon Elson
Dave wrote:
 It is just a little overwhelming what can be done with these ARM MCUs.
   
Yes, I'm using the Beagle Board in some projects.  One of them receives 
TCP packets
and sets a 32-in 8-out signal multiplexer in a location that is 
sometimes inaccessible
due to radiation.  It is a totally minute application for such a 
powerful processor, but
it was extremely easy to set it all up, since it runs a COMPLETE Linux 
kernel
with X, Ethernet, compilers, etc.  The hard drive is a 4 Gb SD card.
I had never developed a TCP server before, I downloaded a few sample 
programs
off the net and had a working server running in one day.  The entire 
program,
including setting up the OMAP CPU's GPIO ports as I needed them, setting up
the server and binding it to the TCP port and converting incoming packets to
settings of the multiplexer is all less than 3 pages of C code!

Another project that is in the development stage now is a multi-channel
counter/ratemeter that will have a Glade interface accessible through
an ssh -X connection.

The Beagle Bone has even more features and costs less!

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] the state of the Wiki

2012-04-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of the Wiki nudge, nudge, wink, wink, it could use a lot more
 editorial work. Looking at the Recent Changes listing, I see the usual
 few suspects making progress but there is a lot of work left.

 Back in January, after the decision was announced to rebrand our work
 LinuxCNC, I spent time under my SourceForge pseudonym CNCDreamer trying
 to fix up the most egregious instances of EMC2 but had to leave a
 number of pages marked as in progress because they required technical
 changes I felt unprepared or even unqualified to make. Looking now, I
 see many of the same pages haven't been touched since. There are a
 number of pages that are terribly stale and the organization of the home
 page is trending toward chaos. Try to read it like you were new to
 LinuxCNC and see what you make of it.

 I wish I were in a position to do more of what needs to be done, but
 recent challenges at home make a concerted effort impossible. I'm lucky

You're very persuasive--this sounds like a useful project that I'd
like to help. Can you make a list of pages that require most urgent
update, in your opinion?

 to have time to skim the mail-list traffic and I have a bunch of
 projects that haven't progressed beyond acquisition of parts.


I know exactly what you mean :) we must be careful never to let our
wifes meet and talk :)

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