subject:"\[Emc\-users\] CBN wheels."

On Monday 08 January 2018 12:54:32 Mark wrote:

> On 01/08/2018 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> That version is incredibly ancient.  That's pretty much a beta
> >> version and close to 10 years old.  Have you tried to get a newer
> >> version through the software manager?
> >
> > That is the newest version offered to a wheezy machine.
>
> So it's an Ubuntu install then.
>
No, debian wheezy, /etc/issue says debian GNU/Linux 7, about 7.11 I 
think, uptodate a/o this morning.

> >> I've got it on a 10.04 LTS lcnc install and it works just fine.
> >> Must be something you've done with that machine that breaks it.
> >> Which wheezy? Ubuntu or Debian?
> >
> > This is straight from the install image at linuxcnc.org. With lots
> > of additions because this machine is the doall machine. 100% updated
> > 2 to 4x a week.
>
> Then something is broken somewhere.  There's no reason installing it
> from the command line from the Calibre web site should croak and die
> like it did, unless something is missing, turned off, or mangled in
> the system.  I've installed from the command line on 10.04, 12.04,
> 14.04 and now 16.04.
>
> What have you done with the system other than edit and change the lcnc
> configuration files?  It's quite possible if you were monkeying with
> library files something got hosed or there are incompatible lib files
> on the system that interact with programs like wget.
>
> Calibre "Just Works", and has for the last 4 iterations of Ubuntu
> software.
>
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
>   Mark
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.


On 01/08/2018 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

That version is incredibly ancient.  That's pretty much a beta version
and close to 10 years old.  Have you tried to get a newer version
through the software manager?


That is the newest version offered to a wheezy machine.


So it's an Ubuntu install then.




I've got it on a 10.04 LTS lcnc install and it works just fine. Must
be something you've done with that machine that breaks it. Which
wheezy? Ubuntu or Debian?

This is straight from the install image at linuxcnc.org. With lots of
additions because this machine is the doall machine. 100% updated 2 to
4x a week.


Then something is broken somewhere.  There's no reason installing it 
from the command line from the Calibre web site should croak and die 
like it did, unless something is missing, turned off, or mangled in the 
system.  I've installed from the command line on 10.04, 12.04, 14.04 and 
now 16.04.


What have you done with the system other than edit and change the lcnc 
configuration files?  It's quite possible if you were monkeying with 
library files something got hosed or there are incompatible lib files on 
the system that interact with programs like wget.


Calibre "Just Works", and has for the last 4 iterations of Ubuntu software.








Cheers, Gene Heskett


 Mark



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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Monday 08 January 2018 12:10:36 Mark wrote:

> On 01/08/2018 11:58 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> It should say down at the bottom of the Calibre main window.  Mine
> >> says Calibre 3.12 created by Kovid Goyal.
> >
> > This one say 0.8.51, obviously a debian assigned number.
>
> That version is incredibly ancient.  That's pretty much a beta version
> and close to 10 years old.  Have you tried to get a newer version
> through the software manager?
>
That is the newest version offered to a wheezy machine.

> >>> I am glad it works for you Mark, but it doesn't work here as
> >>> anything but a pretty face pdf /only/ viewer.
> >>
> >> Can't help with a broken OS install.  What OS and version are you
> >> running?
> >
> > The 32 bit wheezy lcnc install.
>
> I've got it on a 10.04 LTS lcnc install and it works just fine. Must
> be something you've done with that machine that breaks it. Which
> wheezy? Ubuntu or Debian?

This is straight from the install image at linuxcnc.org. With lots of 
additions because this machine is the doall machine. 100% updated 2 to 
4x a week.


> The Ubuntu version is 12.04 and I had it on 
> a desktop and Calibre worked just fine with that version. My guess is
> your tinkering with the system broke something that's keeping you from
> installing the latest version.  I've never had any of the problems
> with most of the software your machine seems to have issues with.
>
> >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Mark
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Monday 08 January 2018 11:46:04 Les Newell wrote:

> Hi Gene,
>
> I have used Calibre process a LOT of ebooks and the only books it has
> failed on are scanned pdfs, ones with DRM and occasional corrupted
> files. It most definitely will open epub and I generally use it to
> convert whatever format the book comes in to epub. I have to admit
> it's conversion of pdf to other formats isn't great but very few
> packages do a good job of that.
>
> I don't know why it wouldn't see the epub when you tried opening it.
> Try dragging a file out of a file manager and dropping it into
> calibre. I often do that.
>
> Les

I guess I'm old school, mc is my file manager. I don't even know if it 
can be a drag & drop src. And it turns out that any epub's I may have 
had were wiped with a new install, circa 3+ years ago, as the only ones 
present on the system today are part of the calibre install.

I've been playing with it for the last half hour, and the only thing it 
can open anything with is with gimp, and that spits out errors, failing 
to actually display the contents.  So its gone downhill in a well oiled 
little red wagon since the last time I poked at it.

Now its time to go feed the missus, & after that, write some gcode to 
carve a reversed 5C on an alu rod currently sticking out of the Sheldons 
spindle, which I had to regrind for concentricity, it was bent about 5 
thou, probably by the same fallover that wrecked the compound and 
probably at least 2 owners back in time. This is to make a new 5C 
adapter by grinding the grizzly part down to the abbreviated MT5 in the 
Sheldon spindle. I'll make a lathe out of this thing yet.

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.


On 01/08/2018 11:58 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:


It should say down at the bottom of the Calibre main window.  Mine
says Calibre 3.12 created by Kovid Goyal.


This one say 0.8.51, obviously a debian assigned number.


That version is incredibly ancient.  That's pretty much a beta version 
and close to 10 years old.  Have you tried to get a newer version 
through the software manager?





I am glad it works for you Mark, but it doesn't work here as
anything but a pretty face pdf /only/ viewer.

Can't help with a broken OS install.  What OS and version are you
running?

The 32 bit wheezy lcnc install.


I've got it on a 10.04 LTS lcnc install and it works just fine. Must be 
something you've done with that machine that breaks it. Which wheezy?  
Ubuntu or Debian?  The Ubuntu version is 12.04 and I had it on a desktop 
and Calibre worked just fine with that version. My guess is your 
tinkering with the system broke something that's keeping you from 
installing the latest version.  I've never had any of the problems with 
most of the software your machine seems to have issues with.





Cheers, Gene Heskett


Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Monday 08 January 2018 11:43:23 Mark wrote:

> On 01/08/2018 11:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> Sure there is.  Just got to know where to get it:
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> And the Linux version:
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > The download and install line from that web page fails instantly
> > when drag copied to a user bash shell.
> >
> > gene@coyote:~$ sudo -v && wget -nv -O-
> > https://download.calibre-ebook.com/linux-installer.py | sudo python
> > -c "import sys; main=lambda:sys.stderr.write('Download failed\n');
> > exec(sys.stdin.read()); main()" [sudo] password for gene:
> > Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in
> > combination with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
> >
> > Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
> > Download failed
> >
> > I personally do not see the -k option being given anyplace in the
> > above command line. So the error makes no sense to me.
>
> Then something is messed up on your machine.  There is no '-k' in that
> line anywhere.  I've been using it on Ubuntu since the 10.04 days.
>
> > As I said, linux does NOT have a universal ebook reader.
>
> Calibre will read any format ebook.
>
> > The ebooks I have bought, have cost me over $50 so far, and the
> > distros versions of calibre have yet to read even one of them.  So
> > pardon me for being skeptical while quoting the whole transaction
> > above.
>
> Be skeptical all you want.  It works on every machine I've ever
> installed it on.
>
> > But thanks for the link(s)
> >
> > The calibre I currently have installed, version unk because it
> > doesn't have such a critter in its about or help screens, reads a
> > pdf just fine, but does not even show an e-pub thats present in the
> > same directory. And it cannot the pdf on deat tree from the pdf w/o
> > a huge waste of paper and ink, apparently totally ignoring what the
> > printer says it can do.
>
> It should say down at the bottom of the Calibre main window.  Mine
> says Calibre 3.12 created by Kovid Goyal.
>
This one say 0.8.51, obviously a debian assigned number.

> >> Been using this for years as a way to organize all my ebooks.  It
> >> will also convert the ebook format to the one your other readers
> >> use, and you can upload the ebooks to your Kindle, Nook or other
> >> device using a USB cable from your computer to the reader.  Very
> >> stable, the developer is quite responsive to issues, and just for
> >> you Gene, it Just Works. Currently installed on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
> >> here in the frozen water pipe cave.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >
> > I am glad it works for you Mark, but it doesn't work here as
> > anything but a pretty face pdf /only/ viewer.
>
> Can't help with a broken OS install.  What OS and version are you
> running?

The 32 bit wheezy lcnc install.

> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Mark
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-08 Thread Les Newell


Hi Gene,

I have used Calibre process a LOT of ebooks and the only books it has 
failed on are scanned pdfs, ones with DRM and occasional corrupted 
files. It most definitely will open epub and I generally use it to 
convert whatever format the book comes in to epub. I have to admit it's 
conversion of pdf to other formats isn't great but very few packages do 
a good job of that.


I don't know why it wouldn't see the epub when you tried opening it. Try 
dragging a file out of a file manager and dropping it into calibre. I 
often do that.


Les


The ebooks I have bought, have cost me over $50 so far, and the distros
versions of calibre have yet to read even one of them.  So pardon me
for being skeptical while quoting the whole transaction above.

But thanks for the link(s)

The calibre I currently have installed, version unk because it doesn't
have such a critter in its about or help screens, reads a pdf just fine,
but does not even show an e-pub thats present in the same directory.
And it cannot the pdf on deat tree from the pdf w/o a huge waste of
paper and ink, apparently totally ignoring what the printer says it can
do.

FWIW I have 2, one being a cheap very fast brother b laser, letter
size paper only, and a MFCJ6920DW brother ink squirter, slow, but can
do up to 11x17 duplex.

So obviously I don't use it, evince or okular both work far better. Works
great on rockhopper output run thru ps2poster though.




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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.


On 01/08/2018 11:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:


Sure there is.  Just got to know where to get it:



And the Linux version:




The download and install line from that web page fails instantly when drag 
copied to a user bash shell.

gene@coyote:~$ sudo -v && wget -nv -O- 
https://download.calibre-ebook.com/linux-installer.py | sudo python -c "import sys;
main=lambda:sys.stderr.write('Download failed\n'); exec(sys.stdin.read()); 
main()"
[sudo] password for gene:
Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.

Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
Download failed

I personally do not see the -k option being given anyplace in the above
command line. So the error makes no sense to me.


Then something is messed up on your machine.  There is no '-k' in that 
line anywhere.  I've been using it on Ubuntu since the 10.04 days.




As I said, linux does NOT have a universal ebook reader.


Calibre will read any format ebook.


The ebooks I have bought, have cost me over $50 so far, and the distros
versions of calibre have yet to read even one of them.  So pardon me
for being skeptical while quoting the whole transaction above.


Be skeptical all you want.  It works on every machine I've ever 
installed it on.




But thanks for the link(s)

The calibre I currently have installed, version unk because it doesn't
have such a critter in its about or help screens, reads a pdf just fine,
but does not even show an e-pub thats present in the same directory.
And it cannot the pdf on deat tree from the pdf w/o a huge waste of
paper and ink, apparently totally ignoring what the printer says it can
do.


It should say down at the bottom of the Calibre main window.  Mine says 
Calibre 3.12 created by Kovid Goyal.





Been using this for years as a way to organize all my ebooks.  It will
also convert the ebook format to the one your other readers use, and
you can upload the ebooks to your Kindle, Nook or other device using a
USB cable from your computer to the reader.  Very stable, the
developer is quite responsive to issues, and just for you Gene, it
Just Works. Currently installed on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS here in the frozen
water pipe cave.

Mark


I am glad it works for you Mark, but it doesn't work here as anything
but a pretty face pdf /only/ viewer.


Can't help with a broken OS install.  What OS and version are you running?



Cheers, Gene Heskett

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Monday 08 January 2018 08:22:41 Mark wrote:

> On 01/08/2018 02:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 January 2018 22:24:17 dave wrote:
> >> https://books.google.com/books?id=JR-efIBvAH0C=PA274=PA274
> >>q=C
> >> BN+reactivity=bl=0CGSHcznFj=9TIF2ZJpkruVX3kTTWtz3erG
> >>t74&
> >> hl=en=X=0ahUKEwjU49rDssfYAhWk3oMKHSBEDrYQ6AEITzAG#v=onepage&
> >>q=CB N%20reactivity=false
> >>
> >> Lots of information to dig thru!  If you go down far enough there
> >> are some comments on coolant for CBN.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >> Dave
> >
> > I was able to read a bit of that, thought about just buying it on
> > dead tree, but not at $200+. Didn't price the ebook version since
> > linux does not have an ebook reader that Just Works.
> >
> > Thanks Dave.
>
> Sure there is.  Just got to know where to get it:
>
> 
>
> And the Linux version:
>
> 
>
The download and install line from that web page fails instantly when drag 
copied to a user bash shell.

gene@coyote:~$ sudo -v && wget -nv -O- 
https://download.calibre-ebook.com/linux-installer.py | sudo python -c "import 
sys; 
main=lambda:sys.stderr.write('Download failed\n'); exec(sys.stdin.read()); 
main()"
[sudo] password for gene:
Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.

Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
Download failed

I personally do not see the -k option being given anyplace in the above
command line. So the error makes no sense to me.

As I said, linux does NOT have a universal ebook reader.

The ebooks I have bought, have cost me over $50 so far, and the distros 
versions of calibre have yet to read even one of them.  So pardon me 
for being skeptical while quoting the whole transaction above.

But thanks for the link(s)

The calibre I currently have installed, version unk because it doesn't 
have such a critter in its about or help screens, reads a pdf just fine,
but does not even show an e-pub thats present in the same directory.
And it cannot the pdf on deat tree from the pdf w/o a huge waste of 
paper and ink, apparently totally ignoring what the printer says it can 
do.

FWIW I have 2, one being a cheap very fast brother b laser, letter 
size paper only, and a MFCJ6920DW brother ink squirter, slow, but can 
do up to 11x17 duplex.

So obviously I don't use it, evince or okular both work far better. Works
great on rockhopper output run thru ps2poster though.

> Been using this for years as a way to organize all my ebooks.  It will
> also convert the ebook format to the one your other readers use, and
> you can upload the ebooks to your Kindle, Nook or other device using a
> USB cable from your computer to the reader.  Very stable, the
> developer is quite responsive to issues, and just for you Gene, it
> Just Works. Currently installed on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS here in the frozen
> water pipe cave.

We're having a heat wave, 38F when I woke up, but I see its down to 34F
at the airport 20 NE of here now at 11:25. Maybe your pipes will thaw 
today, hopefully w/o bursting.

> Mark
>
I am glad it works for you Mark, but it doesn't work here as anything 
but a pretty face pdf /only/ viewer.

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.


On 01/08/2018 02:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 07 January 2018 22:24:17 dave wrote:


https://books.google.com/books?id=JR-efIBvAH0C=PA274=PA274=C
BN+reactivity=bl=0CGSHcznFj=9TIF2ZJpkruVX3kTTWtz3erGt74&
hl=en=X=0ahUKEwjU49rDssfYAhWk3oMKHSBEDrYQ6AEITzAG#v=onepage=CB
N%20reactivity=false

Lots of information to dig thru!  If you go down far enough there are
some comments on coolant for CBN.

HTH
Dave


I was able to read a bit of that, thought about just buying it on dead
tree, but not at $200+. Didn't price the ebook version since linux does
not have an ebook reader that Just Works.

Thanks Dave.



Sure there is.  Just got to know where to get it:



And the Linux version:



Been using this for years as a way to organize all my ebooks.  It will 
also convert the ebook format to the one your other readers use, and you 
can upload the ebooks to your Kindle, Nook or other device using a USB 
cable from your computer to the reader.  Very stable, the developer is 
quite responsive to issues, and just for you Gene, it Just Works.  
Currently installed on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS here in the frozen water pipe cave.


Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson

I have very limited experience with CBN wheels so this is more of a
question than comment. I noticed if the grinding process is sparking while
grinding the wheel seems to not wear at all but if the process is not
sparking the wheel wears rapidly. Can anyone comment?

Thanks
Stuart

On Jan 8, 2018 1:39 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> On Monday 08 January 2018 02:05:03 Marcus Bowman wrote:
>
> > One thing I have noticed is important with CBN wheels is that there is
> > little or no run-out on the wheel when mounted, because there is no
> > real depth to the coating, so dressing appears to be somewhat risky. I
> > have seen several reports of wheels supplied with considerable run-out
> > when they are mounted using the as-supplied centre hole. I expect this
> > may be price-related.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> I'd have to come to that conclusion too, but most of the 8" for bench
> grinders either supply the correct hub, or will sell you the bushing
> cheap.
>
> 1 review writer said to have been using the very thin coated
> electroplated version, for about 5 years in his shop, notes that it
> takes about a months use to "activate" it and that he had never had a
> good excuse to dress it.  Said he did clean the tool before he headed to
> the grinder to sharpen it, recommended by the wheel supplier I guess.
>
> I'll have to make an arbor, and will report on this one when I've had a
> chance to use it.
>
> > On 8 Jan 2018, at 03:24, dave wrote:
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=JR-efIBvAH0C=PA274=PA274
> > >=CBN+reactivity=bl=0CGSHcznFj=9TIF2ZJpkruVX3kTTWtz3erG
> > >t74=en=X=0ahUKEwjU49rDssfYAhWk3oMKHSBEDrYQ6AEITzAG#v=onepag
> > >e=CBN%20reactivity=false
> > >
> > > Lots of information to dig thru!  If you go down far enough there
> > > are some comments on coolant for CBN.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On 01/07/2018 03:19 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > >> The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an
> > >> affinity for one another.
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 7, 2018 11:56 AM, "Gene Heskett" 
> wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:
> >  On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
> > > But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at
> > > $200 and go on up to triple digit prices?
> > 
> >  Try eBay
> >  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424
> > >>>
> > >>> Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search
> > >>> for a TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on
> > >>> the internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw
> > >>> blades.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have
> > >>> to make an arbor for it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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> > >>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > >>> Genes Web page 
> > >>>
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Monday 08 January 2018 02:05:03 Marcus Bowman wrote:

> One thing I have noticed is important with CBN wheels is that there is
> little or no run-out on the wheel when mounted, because there is no
> real depth to the coating, so dressing appears to be somewhat risky. I
> have seen several reports of wheels supplied with considerable run-out
> when they are mounted using the as-supplied centre hole. I expect this
> may be price-related.
>
> Marcus
>
I'd have to come to that conclusion too, but most of the 8" for bench 
grinders either supply the correct hub, or will sell you the bushing 
cheap.

1 review writer said to have been using the very thin coated 
electroplated version, for about 5 years in his shop, notes that it 
takes about a months use to "activate" it and that he had never had a 
good excuse to dress it.  Said he did clean the tool before he headed to 
the grinder to sharpen it, recommended by the wheel supplier I guess.

I'll have to make an arbor, and will report on this one when I've had a 
chance to use it.

> On 8 Jan 2018, at 03:24, dave wrote:
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=JR-efIBvAH0C=PA274=PA274
> >=CBN+reactivity=bl=0CGSHcznFj=9TIF2ZJpkruVX3kTTWtz3erG
> >t74=en=X=0ahUKEwjU49rDssfYAhWk3oMKHSBEDrYQ6AEITzAG#v=onepag
> >e=CBN%20reactivity=false
> >
> > Lots of information to dig thru!  If you go down far enough there
> > are some comments on coolant for CBN.
> >
> > HTH
> > Dave
> >
> > On 01/07/2018 03:19 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> >> The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an
> >> affinity for one another.
> >>
> >> On Jan 7, 2018 11:56 AM, "Gene Heskett"  
wrote:
> >>> On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:
>  On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at
> > $200 and go on up to triple digit prices?
> 
>  Try eBay
>  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424
> >>>
> >>> Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search
> >>> for a TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on
> >>> the internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw
> >>> blades.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have
> >>> to make an arbor for it.
> >>>
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Sunday 07 January 2018 22:24:17 dave wrote:

> https://books.google.com/books?id=JR-efIBvAH0C=PA274=PA274=C
>BN+reactivity=bl=0CGSHcznFj=9TIF2ZJpkruVX3kTTWtz3erGt74&
>hl=en=X=0ahUKEwjU49rDssfYAhWk3oMKHSBEDrYQ6AEITzAG#v=onepage=CB
>N%20reactivity=false
>
> Lots of information to dig thru!  If you go down far enough there are
> some comments on coolant for CBN.
>
> HTH
> Dave
>
I was able to read a bit of that, thought about just buying it on dead 
tree, but not at $200+. Didn't price the ebook version since linux does 
not have an ebook reader that Just Works.

Thanks Dave.

> On 01/07/2018 03:19 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an
> > affinity for one another.
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2018 11:56 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:
> >> On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:
> >>> On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
>  But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at
>  $200 and go on up to triple digit prices?
> >>>
> >>> Try eBay
> >>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424
> >>
> >> Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search
> >> for a TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on
> >> the internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw
> >> blades.
> >>
> >> Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have
> >> to make an arbor for it.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-07 Thread Marcus Bowman

One thing I have noticed is important with CBN wheels is that there is little 
or no run-out on the wheel when mounted, because there is no real depth to the 
coating, so dressing appears to be somewhat risky. I have seen several reports 
of wheels supplied with considerable run-out when they are mounted using the 
as-supplied centre hole. I expect this may be price-related.

Marcus

On 8 Jan 2018, at 03:24, dave wrote:

> https://books.google.com/books?id=JR-efIBvAH0C=PA274=PA274=CBN+reactivity=bl=0CGSHcznFj=9TIF2ZJpkruVX3kTTWtz3erGt74=en=X=0ahUKEwjU49rDssfYAhWk3oMKHSBEDrYQ6AEITzAG#v=onepage=CBN%20reactivity=false
> 
> Lots of information to dig thru!  If you go down far enough there are some 
> comments on coolant for CBN.
> 
> HTH
> Dave
> 
> On 01/07/2018 03:19 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>> The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an affinity for
>> one another.
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2018 11:56 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:
>>> 
 On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200
> and go on up to triple digit prices?
 Try eBay
 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424
>>> Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search for a
>>> TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on the
>>> internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw blades.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have to
>>> make an arbor for it.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-07 Thread dave

https://books.google.com/books?id=JR-efIBvAH0C=PA274=PA274=CBN+reactivity=bl=0CGSHcznFj=9TIF2ZJpkruVX3kTTWtz3erGt74=en=X=0ahUKEwjU49rDssfYAhWk3oMKHSBEDrYQ6AEITzAG#v=onepage=CBN%20reactivity=false

Lots of information to dig thru! If you go down far enough there are
some comments on coolant for CBN.

HTH
Dave

On 01/07/2018 03:19 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an affinity for
one another.

On Jan 7, 2018 11:56 AM, "Gene Heskett" wrote:

On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:

On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett wrote:

But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200
and go on up to triple digit prices?

Try eBay
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424

Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search for a
TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on the
internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw blades.

Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have to
make an arbor for it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-07 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia

I've always been curious about these grinding wheels. Are these dressed
like normal aluminum oxide wheels? Because sometime ago I read about
grinding machines prepared for CBN wheels.

The Landis ones I know have wheel dressers for CBN and the only difference
I really noticed is that the dresser is a more fancy and also more rigid,
but other than that, is there any difference?

2018-01-07 20:19 GMT-03:00 Stuart Stevenson :

> The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an affinity for
> one another.
>
> On Jan 7, 2018 11:56 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:
>
> > On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:
> >
> > > On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200
> > > > and go on up to triple digit prices?
> > >
> > > Try eBay
> > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424
> >
> > Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search for a
> > TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on the
> > internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw blades.
> >
> > Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have to
> > make an arbor for it.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-07 Thread andy pugh

On 7 January 2018 at 23:19, Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an affinity for
> one another.

It isn't exactly that.
The thing is that carbon dissolves in iron. That is what steel actually is.

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson

The carbon in the steel and the carbon in the diamond have an affinity for
one another.

On Jan 7, 2018 11:56 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:
>
> > On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200
> > > and go on up to triple digit prices?
> >
> > Try eBay
> > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424
>
> Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search for a
> TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on the
> internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw blades.
>
> Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have to
> make an arbor for it.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:54:58 andy pugh wrote:

> On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200
> > and go on up to triple digit prices?
>
> Try eBay
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424

Found that for $25 on the us site. But howintuncket do you search for a 
TTS style 20mm arbor? Thats the most busted search engine on the 
internet when a search for TTS returns about 100 slitting saw blades.

Thanks Andy, I can use that I think. Worth a try even if I do have to 
make an arbor for it.

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

On Sunday 07 January 2018 11:40:23 Kurt Jacobson wrote:

> Gene, check out Shars tools CBN wheels. They are decent quality and as
> of a few years ago at least were very economical. I have not traded
> with them since they were a small operation without much of an online
> presence, but they were very good people to deal with. www.shars.com
>
> Happy new year!
>
> Kurt Jacobson
> 505-303-1933
> Sent from Mobile
>
I have their catalog as it was included (in a separate package) with my 
purchase of an 8" independent 4 jaw chuck I had purchased from them. It 
does show a few CBN wheels but all are for their tool grinder, with the 
abrasive in quite narrow locations on the wheel rim or face. No smaller, 
flat faced, arbor mounts. When sharpening HSS I had been putting a 6" 
one face 1200 grit diamond wheel in the milling machine spindle, then 
pinching the tool between the jaws of a 3" chuck mounted on a 4" 
motorized table standing on edge, with the tool tilted for relief angles 
as its pinched, then running the table 60 degrees either side of 
vertical to polish the edges. Usually bringing the z down until I could 
hear contact, then sweeping x to distribute the wear on the diamond 
while lowering z at 0.7 or less a minute. I get phenomenally sharp 
tools but it's slow, particularly when shaping a new piece of HSS.

And that got it hot enough to wreck the face of the disk at 300 revs. 
Then I'm reading where there is a chemical reaction between the carbon 
in HSS steel and diamond that makes diamond a poor choice, and that on 
HSS I should be using CBN. Cubic Boron Nitride.

The 6" diamond is really too big, not enough y movement of my mills 
table.

A 3 or 4" diameter wheel would work better, turning slow enough to keep 
the heat down. But those seen to be made out of un-obtainium.

I'll give Shars a ring tomorrow to see what they may have added to the 
catalog since issue 2016A. They have a couple other gizmo's I could use 
too.

> On Jan 7, 2018 11:28 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I appear to be learning that one can't use diamond on an HSS tool,
> > as I've managed to kill a 1200 grit diamond faced 6" disk.
> >
> > But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200
> > and go on up to triple digit prices?

Thanks, Kurt.

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-07 Thread andy pugh

On 7 January 2018 at 16:27, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200 and
> go on up to triple digit prices?

Try eBay
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361394049424

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Re: [Emc-users] CBN wheels.

2018-01-07 Thread Kurt Jacobson

Gene, check out Shars tools CBN wheels. They are decent quality and as of a
few years ago at least were very economical. I have not traded with them
since they were a small operation without much of an online presence, but
they were very good people to deal with. www.shars.com

Happy new year!

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Sent from Mobile

On Jan 7, 2018 11:28 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> I appear to be learning that one can't use diamond on an HSS tool, as
> I've managed to kill a 1200 grit diamond faced 6" disk.
>
> But has anyone found a source of CBN wheels that don't start at $200 and
> go on up to triple digit prices?
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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