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EVLN: U.S. wants the EV Kool-Aid Silicon-Valley is drinking
Palo Alto is living the electric dream
16Years ago, they bought Tesla stock at $19 a share. Then, much more
recently, they got in line early and nabbed one of the first reservations
for the Model 3, the electric car with the price of a basic ...
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EVLN: Workhorse NGEN-1000 lightweight delivery e-truck r:100mi
Workhorse Starts Electric Delivery Truck Production
October 16, 2018 ... cost-savings ... by using a smaller battery pack ...
what role electric vehicles will play ...
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SamTrans Debuts First Electric Bus
Oct 16, 2018 The SamTrans Board voted in March to replace 10 of the oldest
diesel vehicles in the fleet with new electric battery-powered ...
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https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/google-maps-will-soon-show-electric-vehicle-charging-stations/
Google Maps Will Soon Show Electric Vehicle Charging Stations
October 16th, 2018 If you're out on the road in the future and find your
electric vehicle is in dire need of a charge, you'll soon be able to look to
Google Maps for help finding a ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Drive-an-EV-thumb-nose-w-righteous-indignation-KSA-tp4691547.html
Drive an EV& thumb-nose w/ righteous-indignation @KSA
Upset at oil-rich Saudi Arabia? Start driving an electric vehicle
Oct 17, 2018 ... switch to an electric vehicle. You'll ... stop giving
money to ... ruling family ... money to intimidate or buy off anyone who
would try to interfere in its machinations ...Righteous indignation over the
... death of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Workhorse NGEN-1000 lightweight delivery e-truck r:100mi
https://www.truckinginfo.com/316824/workhorse-starts-electric-delivery-truck-production
Workhorse Starts Electric Delivery Truck Production
October 16, 2018
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Workhorse Group Inc. has launched initial production of its new Workhorse
NGEN-1000, a lightweight battery-electric delivery truck. The manufacturer
said the truck’s curb weight of 4,000 pounds is less than half of that of a
“traditional diesel step-van” while providing the same 1,000 cubic feet of
cargo capacity.
According to Workhorse, that weight reduction coupled with the van’s
100-mile range “will have cost-savings implications that will make the
electric-vehicle alternative to traditional fleet delivery vehicles all the
more appealing.”
The company also said the lightweight design is what allows for he stated
100-mile range. And by using a smaller battery pack than previous designs,
the cost of the vehicle is reduced “significantly.” Workhorse added that the
van’s smaller battery pack also reduces the cost of the charging
infrastructure for the customer. The NGEN will be available in four cargo
sizes: 250, 450, 700, and 1,000 cubic feet of capacity.
The NGEN-1000 is the first in the NGEN series to go into production at
Workhorse's Midwest plant. The van boasts a “unique new design with a
grill-less front end, making it stand out from its diesel counterparts,” the
company noted.
Other key features of the electric van listed by Workhorse include:
- Low floor with 7.25-inch ground clearance, making loading and unloading
easier, and entry and egress safer”
- 6,000-pounds carrying capacity, “robust enough for even the heaviest
loads”
- Hub motors in front for tighter turning radius than comparable vehicles
- All-wheel drive for “surefooted handling in inclement weather
conditions”
- Composite construction to enable a lightweight and rust-free body
- Ergonomic driving position fits drivers from 5'2" to 6'5" comfortably
“For as long as I can remember, we've been discussing what the future of
delivery looks like and what role electric vehicles will play in that," said
Stephen S. Burns, CEO of Workhorse. "We are proud to say the future is here.
With an off-the-lot cost on par with traditional fuel delivery vehicles, and
substantial savings from there, we believe the NGEN will forever change the
business of delivery as we know it."
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Google Maps Will Soon Show Electric Vehicle Charging Stations
October 16th, 2018 If you're out on the road in the future and find your
electric vehicle is in dire need of a charge, you'll soon be able to look to
Google Maps for help finding a ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: U.S. wants the EV Kool-Aid Silicon-Valley is drinking
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060102493 Palo Alto is living the electric dream October 15, 2018 David Ferris, E News reporter [images https://www.eenews.net/image_assets/2018/10/image_asset_41855.png Illustration. Photo credit: Claudine Hellmuth/E News (illustration); Designed by Freepik (buildings, trees, sign); macrovector/Freepik (cars); vectorpocket/Freepik (cars, horses); Brands of the World (Tesla logo) https://www.eenews.net/image_assets/2018/10/image_asset_41853.jpg EV chargers in Palo Alto. Charging electric vehicles get the best spaces at the Webster Street public garage in downtown Palo Alto. David Ferris/E News https://www.eenews.net/image_assets/2018/10/image_asset_41851.jpg Kaupp Volt. "Volts and only Volts": Boardwalk Chevrolet sales manager Ben Kaupp stands in the room set aside for EVs. David Ferris/E News ] PALO ALTO, Calif. — When Becky and Ted Baer, who are in their 70s, pull their sparkling blue Tesla up to the public chargers downtown, they're in a jovial mood. And why wouldn't they be? They are enjoying the fruits of two prescient decisions. Years ago, they bought Tesla stock at $19 a share. Then, much more recently, they got in line early and nabbed one of the first reservations for the Model 3, the electric car with the price of a basic luxury sedan but the acceleration of a rocket. In May, Tesla delivered for the Baers. Their Model 3 arrived, and they got to parade their hot new gadget down the palm-lined streets. They earned some ecological cred. And — here's the kicker — they paid for it with their Tesla stock, at that point selling for nearly $300 a share. The Baers, retirees in their comfortable shoes and untucked shirts, are clearly in love with their new electric steed. Becky leans down and caresses the headlight. "I named it Tess," she says. "I come out and dust it." Theirs is a common sentiment in Palo Alto. In this city of 67,000, one of the wealthiest in wealthy Silicon Valley, 30 percent of all new cars purchased last year were electric vehicles, according to data from the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT). That's the highest adoption rate in California, which is home to half of the nation's EVs. Per capita, Palo Alto is America's electric car capital. Palo Alto drivers are acquiring a taste for cars that are oddly quiet and fast, that don't visit gas stations, and that rarely see the repair shop. The city government shares their enthusiasm. The people buy the cars, the city creates the policies and Silicon Valley's big employers install the chargers, and each keeps one-upping the other, creating an EV ecosystem more evolved than anywhere in the country. The question is whether the rest of the United States wants the electric Kool-Aid that Palo Alto is drinking. The answer is of tremendous consequence to the auto industry and the planet. Virtually every automaker has committed to bringing electric models to American showrooms by 2025, the biggest change to automotive engineering since the days of Henry Ford. Tailpipe emissions from vehicles have surpassed the electric grid as the largest source of U.S. carbon emissions. States from California to New York say they can't fight climate change without mass adoption of electric cars. But there is dauntingly little evidence that Americans want them. Most Americans have never driven an electric car, don't know anyone who has one and haven't seen one in a dealership. Even in California, only 5 percent of the population has seriously considered buying one [ https://its.ucdavis.edu/blog-post/automakers-policymakers-on-path-to-electric-vehicles-consumers-are-not/ ]. And the decisionmakers who would enable the electric revolution aren't much different. Thousands of cities need to reimagine the parking space; thousands of electric utilities need to start thinking like gas stations. So what does it look like when a city goes all in on electric cars? Palo Alto, weird as it is, might be showing the way. The drivers The public lot where the Baers get their electric fill-up is a sweet place to park. Just off the main drag of University Avenue, the Webster Street garage is 7 stories tall and clad in rough-hewn timber, with wide openings that catch the afternoon breeze. On the top floor, a black SUV parks. Two businessmen in suits emerge, speaking Chinese. Above their heads, rows of solar panels let through gentle shafts of light; below, the city is invisible under a lush canopy of spruce, palms and oaks. The Baers are down on the entry floor, in the row of six electric vehicle chargers, which occupy the most convenient spaces in the whole garage. They fill up here because their home charger hasn't been installed yet. All around them, and on every level, are electric and hybrid gas-electric cars. One can spot the bargain Hyundai Ioniq and Prius Prime, the sporty but tiny Fiat 500, lots of Chevrolet Volts and a couple of the new Chevy Bolts, and a sprinkling of the hyphenated models: the Audi
[EVDL] Hollywood Promoing EVs> Deadpool2,Simpsons,HBO,Suits,+
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/20/hollywood-promoting-electric-cars-clean-energy/
Hollywood Promoting Electric Cars, Sustainability
October 20th, 2018 Matt Pressman
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Tesla Model S in the Deadpool 2 movie
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Dinesh’s Tesla Model S played a starring role on the most recent season of
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Suits | 'The Tesla' from 103
USA Network’s show “Suits” features a scene starring the original Tesla
Roadster (YouTube: SuitsonUSA)
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Tesla’s cars have become popular with many of Hollywood’s biggest stars. But
more recently, many of those who are behind the scenes on today’s television
and movie sets are embracing the electric car and clean energy. Ian Bailey
reports in The Globe and Mail [
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-shading-tv-film-drama-with-green-content-can-drive-sustainability/
] that movies and television shows “with green content can [help] drive
sustainability.” And that’s an important message that can be promoted from
Hollywood to the masses.
Bailey says, “It’s a point the TV and film industries are trying to make
with viewers, in the same way they turned against smoking and other uses of
tobacco in previous decades.” Bailey interviewed Clara George, a producer on
The Arrangement, a television series which included “a subtle nudge to
viewers about the importance of sustainability.” For instance, “Another
character on the show drove a Tesla.”
“People are very worried they are going to have to change their lives
dramatically to take any sustainable steps,” George says. “What we can show
them is, ‘No, you don’t. They can just be in anything.’” She adds, “What
drives me crazy is that people still think it’s a discussion. We need action
now … I don’t think climate change is debatable.”
Zena Harris, creative director of the Sustainable Production Forum at the
Vancouver International Film Festival explains, “We don’t want to
necessarily impact the creative element in terms of story line… But if [a
character] is going to be driving a car somewhere, could that car be an
electric vehicle? This is where we start to normalize behaviors onscreen and
substitute in products and behaviors that are more environmentally
conscious.”
Jeremy Mathieu, a sustainability adviser for the BBC, is reported to have
“encouraged producers to depict electric-car charging points in the
background of a street scene… [and] have characters working in the green
industry and mentioning climate change or pollution as part of a
conversation.”
BBC’s Mathieu adds, “By showing on screen that we understand the changes
that are happening, we can show the audience that we get it, we are with
them in this, we are relevant in this changing world and there is, indeed,
hope that we can address and deal with these major problems.”
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Model 3 in Deadpool 2!!!
May 18, 2018
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Suits S1: E3. Harvey Buys a 2011 Tesla Roadster
Mar 23, 2018
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Alan Arrison via EV wrote: The numbers don't add up for solar panels on automobiles, never have, never will. Except that there are numerous examples of solar-powered vehicles that *have* demonstrated substantial range at highway speeds. There is no way it gets even 20 miles per kWh under anything but perfect conditions and slow speeds. Efficiency numbers in this range have been independently measured and confirmed many times. It is so light because it has almost no crash protection. The Solectria Sunrise is a 4-passenger sedan with a demonstrated efficiency of 40 wh/mile in several Tour de Sol races. These were done on standard roads at posted speeds. It was also crash tested, and passed. Some of Amory Lovins hypercar prototypes have achieved similar efficiencies and crash test results. Race cars are built with very light high strenth materials and techniques. People have survived amazing crashes at very high speeds with these designs. -- Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are actually doing it. -- Chinese proverb -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Robert Bruninga wrote: Simple answer I use is that 12 full size home panels can fully charge a typical EV to the American average 40 miles a day forever. But it is far mor economical to put those on the roof of your house or garage than on the car. That's true... if you have a garage, or own your house. But a great many people are renters, and can't install PV on their roofs. If they have a car, and have no choice but to park it outside all year, then PV on the car is better than nothing. Also, the 40 mile/day average is just that; the average. Fully half of the driving public drive less than that. Even if PV on the car only provides half that, it' will still satisfy some fraction of people's daily needs. For most of my 50-year career, I have lived within 10 miles of where I worked. Even my early 1970's EVs with only a 40-mile range fully met my daily driving needs. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Message -- >> > From: "Lee Hart via EV" >> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" >> > Cc: "Lee Hart" >> > Sent: 21-Oct-18 2:56:18 PM >> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars >> > >> > >Larry Gales via EV wrote: >> > >>When I look at the Stella Lux and Stella Vie, I get very different >> > >>results >> > >>from the negative views of solar powered cars. I start with the >> > >>assumption >> > >>that the Dutch students who have won most of the solar car records are >> > >>not >> > >>actually lying. >> > > >> > >The problem is that most people assume that EVs must be exactly like >> > >ICEs. Typical ICEs today weigh a ton or more, and have the aerodynamics >> > >of a brick. All those edgy lines, huge grilles, big fat tires, and >> > >rough bottom mean it takes lot of horsepower to drag it down the road. >> > > >> > >The automakers are building EVs the same way. Big, heavy, poor >> > >aerodynamics. >> > > >> > >But there are other ways to do it. Race cars and airplanes are much >> > >lighter, and have aerodynamics based on performance rather than >> > >styling. Amory Lovins has been championing the "hypercar" concept for >> > >decades. The basic idea is that if you halve the weight, and cut the >> > >aerodynamic losses in half, it takes 1/4th as much energy to push it >> > >down the road. Yet it can be just as strong and safe, by using modern >> > >materials and construction techniques. >> > > >> > >EVs like Stella Lux and Stella Vie demonstrate how successful this >> > >strategy can be. When you have a 4-passenger car that weighs 826 lbs >> > >and 1/3 the aerodynamic losses, solar power becomes a viable way to >> > >power it! >> > > >> > >-- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, >> > >reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and >> > >affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. >> > >-- >> > >Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com >> > >___ >> > >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> > >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> > >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > >> > >> > ___ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Larry Gales >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181021/d73732e7/attachment.html >> > >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181021/eb7f6c32/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
The numbers don't add up for solar panels on automobiles, never have, never will. This has been proven time and time again. There is no way it gets even 20 miles per kWh under anything but perfect conditions and slow speeds. And the energy from the panels again is under perfect conditions. It is so light because it has almost no crash protection. Al On 10/21/2018 3:09 PM, Larry Gales via EV wrote: When I look at the Stella Lux and Stella Vie, I get very different results from the negative views of solar powered cars. I start with the assumption that the Dutch students who have won most of the solar car records are not actually lying. So, the specs for the 4 passenger Stella Lux include these: Length 178 inches Width 69 inches Height 44 inches Weight 826 pounds Battery Capacity 15 kWh Motor Efficiency 97 percent Range on sunny day (Netherlands) 621 miles Range on sunny day (Australia) 683 miles Range at night (on battery) 403 miles Top Speed 77 mph So, if the range at night is 403 miles and the battery is 15 kWh, that translates to 26.8 miles/kWh. Let us suppose that is under ideal conditions, and that a more realistic value is 20 miles/kWh. The solar PV array is 1.5 kW, so a more realistic value under real world conditions is 0.75 kW. In Seattle, where I live, which has about the worst solar potential in the USA, the average solar intensity in July is 6.3 sun hours. So, (0.75 * 6.3 * 20) = 94.5 miles. If we usually travel only 40 miles/day, I could easily see traveling 200 miles on accumulated solar energy, after, say, a week of 40 miles/day travel. And given that 5 months/year we average over 60% of the July values we can travel about 60 miles/day just on stored sunlight from the car. And the 5 passenger Stella Vie is just as efficient. On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:09 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://qz.com/1423288/why-dont-we-have-solar-powered-cars-physics/ The physics of why we don’t have solar-powered cars October 15, 2018 Michael J. Coren [image https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/image1-e1539387897807.png The Sono Motors Car ] The nuclear furnace at the center of solar system powers almost everything on earth. Photosynthesis, wind, and even fossil fuels (once decomposed living matter) all derive in some way from the star we call the Sun. So why isn’t it enough to power our cars? It’s all about energy density: how much energy falls on a surface relative to how much is consumed. We can have solar powered e-bikes that cover thousands of miles, sailboat drones that cross oceans, even ultra-light aircraft that circumnavigate the globe. What do they have in common? They’re all very light, slow, and consume a trickle of electrons. Solar panels generate just enough electricity to keep them moving. For anything weighing thousands of pounds, like a car, the energy equation is daunting. A few intrepid carmakers are slapping solar panels on their vehicles anyway. Few have gotten very far. The German startup Sono Motors is adding 330 integrated solar cells on the roof, sides, and rear to give its vehicle a 30-km boost out of a 250-km (155-mile) battery range. Meanwhile, Dutch startup behind LightyearOne claims its electric car will “charge itself.” Although it has yet to unveil a vehicle, potential customers can put down deposits for a €119.000 ($157,000) car promising to travel 10,000 to 20,000 km per year (6,200 to 12,400 miles) on its solar panels alone. The Sono Motors Car Will it work? Don’t bet on it, says Jeremy Michalek, a professor of mechanical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University and director of its Vehicle Electrification Group. Quartz asked Michalek to estimate how far the best solar panels could propel a typical electric car on the market. He broke down the math for us. Michalek says about 1 kilowatt (kW) of solar energy falls on a square meter of the Earth’s surface on a clear day. That’s all the solar energy available to collect. For a company like Sono, which says it can convert about a quarter of that energy into electricity (although that’s very optimistic), a full site of panels might generate roughly 8 kilowatt hours of energy per day (a best-case scenario with four square meters of solar panels). Michalek says that’s enough to drive a car like the comparable Nissan Leaf about 25 miles. But there are many reasons (clouds, poor panel positioning, dirt), this number will rarely be reached. As for LightyearOne and its claims that you’ll never need to charge your car in the future? The odds are tough. The maximum conversion rate for cheap silicon cells to turn sunlight into electricity is just under 33%, and more exotic materials that achieve 44% efficiency are far too expensive for mass production. Without a revolutionary breakthough in solar panel technology, cars that can recharge themselves with the sun alone remain fantastical. Does that mean putting solar panels on cars is always a bad idea? Maybe not. A sunny
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
gt; >materials and construction techniques. > > > >EVs like Stella Lux and Stella Vie demonstrate how successful this > >strategy can be. When you have a 4-passenger car that weighs 826 lbs > >and 1/3 the aerodynamic losses, solar power becomes a viable way to > >power it! > > > >-- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, > >reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and > >affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. > >-- > >Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > >___ > >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181021/d73732e7/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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The Stella is an awesome example of what can be done. Aside from what Lee says, which I think is one area of resistance, another big problem is need for a variety of uses. What I mean is I (or you or the huddling masses...) want something that works for a 15 mile solo commute, works to take the family out to dinner, works to go skiing (hiking, fishing, hunting, ...) for the day, and works to go out of town for the weekend. I think the Stella might be able to do the first two, for a large percentage of people. The latter two? I doubt it. Now, for going out of town, it wouldn't be too hard to make arrangements to easily pick up a rental. The other case gets harder. You have a lot of elevation gain, meaning you'll need a pretty hefty battery since solar isn't going to be anywhere near adequate. That means the car gets super heavy - like a Tesla - and now the benefits of the Stella are impossible. This usage, too, could be handled by a rental. But I doubt most people are willing add two hours to an already long day in order to use a rental. On top of that, most rental companies don't permit you to drive on unpaved roads. If we, eventually, have autonomous vehicles, perhaps you'll be able to own a car for your special purpose activities and fetch one for your daily usage. Then, Stella-like vehicles become a real option, I think. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 21-Oct-18 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars Larry Gales via EV wrote: When I look at the Stella Lux and Stella Vie, I get very different results from the negative views of solar powered cars. I start with the assumption that the Dutch students who have won most of the solar car records are not actually lying. The problem is that most people assume that EVs must be exactly like ICEs. Typical ICEs today weigh a ton or more, and have the aerodynamics of a brick. All those edgy lines, huge grilles, big fat tires, and rough bottom mean it takes lot of horsepower to drag it down the road. The automakers are building EVs the same way. Big, heavy, poor aerodynamics. But there are other ways to do it. Race cars and airplanes are much lighter, and have aerodynamics based on performance rather than styling. Amory Lovins has been championing the "hypercar" concept for decades. The basic idea is that if you halve the weight, and cut the aerodynamic losses in half, it takes 1/4th as much energy to push it down the road. Yet it can be just as strong and safe, by using modern materials and construction techniques. EVs like Stella Lux and Stella Vie demonstrate how successful this strategy can be. When you have a 4-passenger car that weighs 826 lbs and 1/3 the aerodynamic losses, solar power becomes a viable way to power it! -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Larry Gales via EV wrote: When I look at the Stella Lux and Stella Vie, I get very different results from the negative views of solar powered cars. I start with the assumption that the Dutch students who have won most of the solar car records are not actually lying. The problem is that most people assume that EVs must be exactly like ICEs. Typical ICEs today weigh a ton or more, and have the aerodynamics of a brick. All those edgy lines, huge grilles, big fat tires, and rough bottom mean it takes lot of horsepower to drag it down the road. The automakers are building EVs the same way. Big, heavy, poor aerodynamics. But there are other ways to do it. Race cars and airplanes are much lighter, and have aerodynamics based on performance rather than styling. Amory Lovins has been championing the "hypercar" concept for decades. The basic idea is that if you halve the weight, and cut the aerodynamic losses in half, it takes 1/4th as much energy to push it down the road. Yet it can be just as strong and safe, by using modern materials and construction techniques. EVs like Stella Lux and Stella Vie demonstrate how successful this strategy can be. When you have a 4-passenger car that weighs 826 lbs and 1/3 the aerodynamic losses, solar power becomes a viable way to power it! -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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I have been preaching the Stella design for 5 years. Stella Lux went 932 miles on one full charge back in 2015. This is a 4 passenger vehicle. Nuf said. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181021/1c692984/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-The-physics-of-slapping-solar-panels-on-cars-tp4691566.html
EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
The physics of why we don't have solar-powered cars
October 15, 2018 Meanwhile, Dutch startup behind LightyearOne claims its
electric car will “charge itself.” Although it has yet to unveil a vehicle,
potential customers can put down ...
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EVLN: £28k Skoda VisionE e-SUV or coupe r:500km ts:180kph
Skoda Vision E Electric Will Be Offered In SUV Form
OCT 14 2018 Skoda intends to make use of the Volkswagen's MEB platform in
new electric ... The concept apparently “gives a very good idea of what the
EV will look like.” ...
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https://kbzk.com/cnn-health/2018/10/16/hospital-gives-children-electric-cars-so-they-can-drive-themselves-to-operations/
Hospital gives children electric cars so they can drive themselves to
operations
October 16, 2018 Five electric cars and one remote-control car were donated
by Sturgess Motor Group. The local family-run dealership provided the
hospital with a mini Fiat 500, Alfa Romeo 4C, Volvo XC90, Jaguar F-Type, a
Range Rover and a remote-control Land Rover Defender ...
...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/electric-cars-in-hospital-let-kids-drive-themselves-to-operating-room/ar-BBOsD4n
Electric cars in hospital let kids drive themselves to operating room
A hospital in England has come up with a creative way to make operations a
little less daunting for children ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/driverless-car-hype-gives-way-e-scooter-mania-among-technorati-n919706
Driverless car hype gives way to e-scooter mania among technorati
Oct. 13, 2018 Driverless car hype gives way to e-scooter mania among
technorati ... In a matter of months, electric scooter startups have gone
from tech oddity to global ... Millions of dollars in funding and billions
of dollars in valuations have made scooters the next big thing since the
last big thing ...
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Musk sez new chip in 6mos> 500-2000% autopilot-improvement
Musk says new autopilot chip to be available in six months
16 Oct 2018 A Tesla electric car supercharger station is seen in Los
Angeles, California, U.S. ... in about six months in all of the company's
new production electric cars.
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[EVDL] EVLN: £28k Skoda VisionE e-SUV or coupe r:500km ts:180kph
https://insideevs.com/skoda-vision-e-electric-suv-form/
Skoda Vision E Electric Will Be Offered In SUV Form
OCT 14 2018 MARK KANE
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Skoda Vision E to spawn as SUV and coupe.
Skoda intends to make use of the Volkswagen’s MEB platform in new electric
models based on the Vision E concept from 2017. As it turns out, the
production version will be available in two body styles: SUV and coupe.
Market launch is expected in late 2021, after the e-Citigo (Skoda’s version
of Volkswagen e-up!) at relatively affordable prices from £28,000 (€32,000).
The range is expected at 500 km (310 miles).
The concept apparently “gives a very good idea of what the EV will look
like.”
Škoda Vision E spec:
500 km (310 miles) of range
180 km/h (112 mph) top speed
all-wheel drive, dual motor, 225 kW peak
11 kW three-phase on-board charger
DC fast charging capability (0-80% in 30 minutes)
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Skoda Vision E: electric car to offer SUV and coupe bodystyles
10 October 2018 The Czech maker's upcoming zero-emission model is due in
2021 and will follow the e-Citigo
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Skoda E-Vision to debut as a Coupe and an SUV: Electric SUVs with 500 km
range, Expected price in India
October 17, 2018 Skoda announced earlier that they would launch electric
cars based around the E-Vision Concept ... Skoda’s E-Vision car will give
rise to two distinct Electric vehicles based on the Skoda Kodiaq. The
Electric cars are expected to debut with almost 500 kms of range at a price
point par that of the top-trim of the Kodiaq SUV ...
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Hospital gives children electric cars so they can drive themselves to
operations
October 16, 2018 Five electric cars and one remote-control car were donated
by Sturgess Motor Group. The local family-run dealership provided the
hospital with a mini Fiat 500, Alfa Romeo 4C, Volvo XC90, Jaguar F-Type, a
Range Rover and a remote-control Land Rover Defender ...
...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/electric-cars-in-hospital-let-kids-drive-themselves-to-operating-room/ar-BBOsD4n
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[EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
https://qz.com/1423288/why-dont-we-have-solar-powered-cars-physics/
The physics of why we don’t have solar-powered cars
October 15, 2018 Michael J. Coren
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The nuclear furnace at the center of solar system powers almost everything
on earth. Photosynthesis, wind, and even fossil fuels (once decomposed
living matter) all derive in some way from the star we call the Sun.
So why isn’t it enough to power our cars?
It’s all about energy density: how much energy falls on a surface relative
to how much is consumed. We can have solar powered e-bikes that cover
thousands of miles, sailboat drones that cross oceans, even ultra-light
aircraft that circumnavigate the globe. What do they have in common? They’re
all very light, slow, and consume a trickle of electrons. Solar panels
generate just enough electricity to keep them moving.
For anything weighing thousands of pounds, like a car, the energy equation
is daunting. A few intrepid carmakers are slapping solar panels on their
vehicles anyway. Few have gotten very far. The German startup Sono Motors is
adding 330 integrated solar cells on the roof, sides, and rear to give its
vehicle a 30-km boost out of a 250-km (155-mile) battery range. Meanwhile,
Dutch startup behind LightyearOne claims its electric car will “charge
itself.” Although it has yet to unveil a vehicle, potential customers can
put down deposits for a €119.000 ($157,000) car promising to travel 10,000
to 20,000 km per year (6,200 to 12,400 miles) on its solar panels alone.
The Sono Motors Car
Will it work? Don’t bet on it, says Jeremy Michalek, a professor of
mechanical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University and director of its
Vehicle Electrification Group.
Quartz asked Michalek to estimate how far the best solar panels could propel
a typical electric car on the market. He broke down the math for us.
Michalek says about 1 kilowatt (kW) of solar energy falls on a square meter
of the Earth’s surface on a clear day. That’s all the solar energy available
to collect. For a company like Sono, which says it can convert about a
quarter of that energy into electricity (although that’s very optimistic), a
full site of panels might generate roughly 8 kilowatt hours of energy per
day (a best-case scenario with four square meters of solar panels).
Michalek says that’s enough to drive a car like the comparable Nissan Leaf
about 25 miles. But there are many reasons (clouds, poor panel positioning,
dirt), this number will rarely be reached. As for LightyearOne and its
claims that you’ll never need to charge your car in the future? The odds are
tough. The maximum conversion rate for cheap silicon cells to turn sunlight
into electricity is just under 33%, and more exotic materials that achieve
44% efficiency are far too expensive for mass production. Without a
revolutionary breakthough in solar panel technology, cars that can recharge
themselves with the sun alone remain fantastical.
Does that mean putting solar panels on cars is always a bad idea? Maybe not.
A sunny day can tack on enough miles to cover the average US commute. But
Michalek says that’s an expensive way to extend the car’s range. Anyone with
a charging outlet can get renewable energy from the wall for a lot less.
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[EVDL] EVs.au exempt from taxi levy> not4 (Uber, Ola, DiDi) ride-shares
https://thedriven.io/2018/10/19/electric-cars-exempt-from-wa-levy-to-buy-back-taxi-plates/
Electric cars exempt from WA levy to buy back taxi plates
October 19, 2018 Bridie Schmidt
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Electric vehicle drivers using their vehicles for on-demand transport
services such as Uber will be exempt from a buy-back levy that the Western
Australian government is considering imposing on taxi and rideshare fares to
fund a taxi plate “buy back” scheme.
With numerous rideshare services gaining increasing popularity across
Australia – India’s Ola and Chinese DiDi have both launched in Australia
this year in a challenge to Uber’s dominance in the market – WA is looking
to address the transition by converting existing taxi plates to on-demand
vehicle authorisations.
As part of the bill, the state government will offer to buy back
metropolitan taxi plates in a four year scheme that could cost taxpayers up
to $120 million which the government intends to recover via a 10 per cent
levy on all on-demand trips made within the state.
However, following an amendment submitted by Greens member for East Metro
Tim Clifford that was accepted by the Labor government, all such trips taken
in all-electric vehicles will be exempt from such a levy.
Western Australians have outdone the rest of the country in embracing
ridesharing, with an increase in opting for on-demand rides rising nearly
25% in 2017 compared to 2015 figures, according to a report by Roy Morgan.
While there were 6,250 taxis in Western Australia in 2016, according to a
report by Deloitte, WA Today says there are only around 2,000 today.
Of those, it is understood that only a few are electric – which is why the
WA government was happy to accept the amendment.
A spokesperson for Transport Minister Rita Saffioti told WA Today: “The
Greens amendment was accepted by the minister because it had no impact on
the purpose of the legislation and allowed the bill to achieve bipartisan
support.”
In Western Australia, electric cars are very few and far between – only 3
for every 10,000 vehicles on the road, according to WA Today. But this is
expected to increase by up to 20% of all vehicles by 2028 if uptake is high,
as the AEMO has forecasted.
If even half of this were applied to the rideshare industry – which
certainly is made more possible with exemption of the buy back levy- the
positive impact on the environment would be substantial, says Clifford.
“For an average car, not a taxi with its increased kilometres, this alone
would save around 530 tons of CO2 per year,” Clifford told WA Today.
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