IMC Errors

2001-11-09 Thread Niki Blowfield

Dear All,

We have been getting the following error messages in Event Viewer on our
Exchange Server 5.5 SP3;

Event ID 4128

Failure setting file attributes on file E:\exchsrvr\imcdata\in\WFBRQJQS.
The error code returned was The system cannot find the file specified. .
This is an unexpected error and the IMS is shutting down. 

Followed by;

Event ID 4093

The error code 2 was returned when trying to remove the spool file
E:\exchsrvr\imcdata\in\WFBRQJQS. This file may cause duplicate mail to be
sent when the server is restarted. 

These are happening quite often, many times a day. Technet lists nothing for
that error message.

Our mail server was recently used (abused) for anonymous mail relaying,
which has now been disabled. However, our IMCDATA folder is now 1.6gb, and I
don't know if this is related to the enormous amounts of mail relayed, or
indeed the problem in Event Viewer. 

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Nik

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RE: backup

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

Welp. The E2k faq wasn't much better.

Am I going to do any damage from a online backup? Is there anything I
should look out for?  What is the proper procedure for an offline
backup.

Any help is appreciated.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Carlson 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:37 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: backup
> 
> 
> Welp. I mispoke about info in the Faq. I was looking in the 
> 5.5 FAQ. 2k faq seems to have a bit more.
> 
> 
> Mike Carlson
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Carlson
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:35 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: backup
> > 
> > 
> > It does sound new to me, but I found very little in the FAQ
> > about back up except what to use.
> > 
> > I find the FAQ not very useful. Things like Open File Agent =
> > BAD without an explanation is useless.
> > 
> > The only reference I found was to an Exchange 5.5 whitepaper
> > on MS's website.
> > 
> > The discuss_exch2000 group has 10 entries for backup.
> > 
> > The MS info I found here:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tec
> > hnet/prodt
> > echnol/exchange/maintain/operate/opsguide/e2kops5.asp
> > 
> > It talks about off line storage but it doesn't talk about how
> > I should stop the services to do an off-line backup. Do I 
> > have to manually stop everything first? I am backing up to 
> > disk using NTBackup.
> > 
> > 
> > Mike Carlson
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.domitianx.com
> > 
> > Master Of The Spoon People
> > Keeper Of None
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Josefowski, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:54 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: backup
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Have you backed up the server before?  The NT backup on 
> the Exchange 
> > > server is a little different, and backs up the Exchange 
> Store, known 
> > > as an "on-line" backup.  If this sounds new to you, you 
> haven't read 
> > > the FAQ.
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: BackUp
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am going to use NTBackup to back up my exchange box. I have 
> > > selected system state, C: drive and Exchange.
> > > 
> > > Are there any issues with doing this? Any recommendations?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Mike Carlson
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: backup

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

Welp. I mispoke about info in the Faq. I was looking in the 5.5 FAQ. 2k
faq seems to have a bit more.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Carlson 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: backup
> 
> 
> It does sound new to me, but I found very little in the FAQ 
> about back up except what to use.
> 
> I find the FAQ not very useful. Things like Open File Agent = 
> BAD without an explanation is useless.
> 
> The only reference I found was to an Exchange 5.5 whitepaper 
> on MS's website.
> 
> The discuss_exch2000 group has 10 entries for backup.
> 
> The MS info I found here: 
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tec
> hnet/prodt
> echnol/exchange/maintain/operate/opsguide/e2kops5.asp
> 
> It talks about off line storage but it doesn't talk about how 
> I should stop the services to do an off-line backup. Do I 
> have to manually stop everything first? I am backing up to 
> disk using NTBackup.
> 
> 
> Mike Carlson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.domitianx.com
> 
> Master Of The Spoon People
> Keeper Of None
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Josefowski, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:54 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: backup
> > 
> > 
> > Have you backed up the server before?  The NT backup on the
> > Exchange server is a little different, and backs up the 
> > Exchange Store, known as an "on-line" backup.  If this sounds 
> > new to you, you haven't read the FAQ.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: BackUp
> > 
> > 
> > I am going to use NTBackup to back up my exchange box. I have
> > selected system state, C: drive and Exchange.
> > 
> > Are there any issues with doing this? Any recommendations?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > Mike Carlson
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.domitianx.com
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RE: backup

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

It does sound new to me, but I found very little in the FAQ about back
up except what to use.

I find the FAQ not very useful. Things like Open File Agent = BAD
without an explanation is useless.

The only reference I found was to an Exchange 5.5 whitepaper on MS's
website.

The discuss_exch2000 group has 10 entries for backup.

The MS info I found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodt
echnol/exchange/maintain/operate/opsguide/e2kops5.asp

It talks about off line storage but it doesn't talk about how I should
stop the services to do an off-line backup. Do I have to manually stop
everything first? I am backing up to disk using NTBackup.


Mike Carlson
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Master Of The Spoon People
Keeper Of None
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Josefowski, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:54 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: backup
> 
> 
> Have you backed up the server before?  The NT backup on the 
> Exchange server is a little different, and backs up the 
> Exchange Store, known as an "on-line" backup.  If this sounds 
> new to you, you haven't read the FAQ.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: BackUp
> 
> 
> I am going to use NTBackup to back up my exchange box. I have 
> selected system state, C: drive and Exchange.
> 
> Are there any issues with doing this? Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Mike Carlson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.domitianx.com
> 
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>  
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Re: Hi

2001-11-09 Thread Daniel Chenault

Elaine moved to Australia when her husband moved there. She left MS about
two years ago and, as far as I know, is still down there.

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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Hi


> Ok, let me try another one.  Is anyone left here that remembers or knows
the
> whereabouts of Elaine Sharp?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Hi

2001-11-09 Thread Daniel Chenault

 I remember Bravehearts. That was back when ... oh, never
mind. I'll just get off on another rant.

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From: "Chris Scharff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: RE: Hi


> Sure.[1] Because I was an original participant? Nope.
>
>
> [1] Hi Craig!
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Scharff
> Senior Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> If you can't measure, you can't manage!
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Hi
> >
> >
> > Is anyone left here that remembers what "Bravehearts" meant?
>
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RE: exchange digest: November 08, 2001

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

Shawn:

I do not disagree with you on all points, just some of them. Comments
below.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Shawn Connelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:38 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: exchange digest: November 08, 2001
> 
> 
> Mike, I really wanted to bow out of this over-discussed 
> thread but I felt compelled to comment.
> 
> >Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following 
> potentially unsafe
> >From: "Mike Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:45:21 -0600
> >
> >No reason to blame MS for stupid people that open every 
> >"clickmetof*ckupyourcomputer.exe" they get in an email.
> >
> >When are people going to take responsibility for stupid 
> stuff they do 
> >and their own incompetence.
> 
> Hello?  Mike are you there?  (Apologizes for the sarcasm...but...)
> 
> For the last time (I HOPE), it's not about clicking on .exe 
> files!!  It never has been about click on .exe files!! It's 
> always been about scripting files that execute simply by 
> having a preview pane open or masquerading as a benign 
> graphics file or a seemingly innocent MS Word document or MS 
> Excel spreadsheet or... just about anything else Microsoft 
> has had their hands in.
> 
> Why is this so difficult to understand?

Because vbs files and what not are only but a part of the problem.
People don't get screwed only by vbs files or other scripts. FunLove was
an executable. That ripped through networks and is still around. We
still battle that one. The security update was not implemented to stop
only vbs files and other scripts. It was developed to prevent all types
of viruses and worms. The vbs ones just got the most attention recently.

> 
> Sure, you may want to add that is what anti-virus software is 
> for... but I say MS should just listen to their customers and 
> figg'n remove the potentially damaging 'features' of their 
> scripting language.

They have listened. Thats why we have the patch. I would think that it
would be hard to remove the damaging features of the scripting language
when that is what runs Outlook. The forms are built from the very same
scripting language. As a VBScript/Outlook/ASP developer I would find it
very difficult to do my job if Outlook could not interpret the script
that I have in my forms.

> 
> Sure, you may want to add that all a user must do is disable 
> the vb scripting components of their OS?  Really now, so 
> AGAIN, instead of fixing the problem, let's just remove it 
> entirely?  What about the many situations where basic 
> scripting is required?  Why isn't Sun's JAVA dangerous?

It can be. I have seen Java stuff that could do serious damage with the
click of the mouse. A in-house Java developer demonstrated that.
Click.GrindDead Computer.

If someone wanted to they could do just as much damage with a Java app
than you can with VBScript. Since Java is such a low level language you
don't find the 10th grade script kiddies creating Java apps that do
damage. Those same kids can go out and search on the web for 15 minutes
and put together a VBScript that will do damage since the only tool you
really need is notepad.

> 
> Oh, what's the other common excuse I read 
> That MS products are so much more popular (ubiquitous?), that 
> is why there are so many vulnerabilities?  
> What utter nonsense!  
> Microsoft products have so many vulnerabilities because their 
> products have so many more vulnerabilities than other products!  
> Have you forgotten that there are most Apache servers than 
> IIS installations and more Novell Servers than Microsoft 
> Servers. Why are these facts so difficult to understand?

The excuse is not that they have more vulnerabilities because they are
popular, it because they are popular that they are targets. Since there
are more uninformed, untrained and irresponsible people using Windows,
viruses and worms spread faster on Windows. I have said it many, many
times. If linux was as popular as Windows, you would see about the same
amount of Linux viruses. There are some linux viruses out there, but the
penetration isnt that great because it isnt that common place.

The Apache argument is becoming less and less valid. If you do more
research on the Apache/IIS debate you will see that even NetCraft is
modifying their stats to reflect that Linux installations can have
thousands upon thousands of TLDs on a single server where as IIS
averages around a few hundred. One ISP I used had 3,000 websites on one
linux box.

> 
> Do I hate Microsoft like some of you have erroneously 
> assumed?  Of course not!  For the most part Microsoft was 
> very successful in making computers
> available to the masses and making them easy to use.   In 
> addition, from my
> point of view, Microsoft provides some of the 
> best/friendliest support in the business.  Comparatively 
> speakin

RE: backup

2001-11-09 Thread Josefowski, Larry

Have you backed up the server before?  The NT backup on the Exchange server
is a little different, and backs up the Exchange Store, known as an
"on-line" backup.  If this sounds new to you, you haven't read the FAQ.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: BackUp


I am going to use NTBackup to back up my exchange box. I have selected
system state, C: drive and Exchange.

Are there any issues with doing this? Any recommendations?

Thanks,


Mike Carlson
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Master Of The Spoon People
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BackUp

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

I am going to use NTBackup to back up my exchange box. I have selected
system state, C: drive and Exchange.

Are there any issues with doing this? Any recommendations?

Thanks,


Mike Carlson
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Master Of The Spoon People
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Re: OT - flirtatiousness on THIS list??

2001-11-09 Thread Daniel Chenault

Reputation, yes. Reality, no.

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Helfer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: OT - flirtatiousness on THIS list??


>
>  "A reputation I've cultivated in earnest"
>
>   That's a great line.
>
>   Jim
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:13 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: OT - flirtatiousness on THIS list??
>
>
> oh, pul-leeze.  you don't know anything about me, and you've only been on
> the list a couple of weeks.  i'm not uptight, quite possibly scads more
> *fun* than you might imagine.  you really don't need to worry about
> embarrassing me on the exchange list.  i'm not exactly quaking in my boots
> at the prospect that some of the people here think i'm a bitch - it's a
> reputation i've cultivated in earnest.
>
> you can't possibly have read the archives, or you'd know that boring
drivel
> like this thread is what has driven away most of the helpful technical
> people over the years.  ultimately, that decreases the likelihood that
> interesting exchange discussions will take place.
>
> besides, it's friday, and the minimum daily requirement of fish taco haiku
> has not been met.  of course, mention of Kelly's boots should always be
> worked in if possible.
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RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe - FOR THE LAST TIME!

2001-11-09 Thread Chris Scharff

> -Original Message-
> From: Shawn Connelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following 
> potentially unsafe - FOR THE LAST TIME!
> 
> 
> >Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following 
> potentially unsafe
> >From: Chris Scharff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:54:00 -0600
> >>There are about 20 pages of material relating
> >> to this patch and since I run a dept. with over 50 systems 
> >
> >Ok... So of the pages you did read.. Which were the 
> compelling reasons
> which
> >caused you to apply the patch? What issue was it fixing for 
> you which 
> >made it a time critical installation? I don't install any patch from 
> >Microsoft
> 
> Simply put, eliminate the nonsense about auto-running of vb 
> scripts and accident execution of like programs, yes 
> including .exe and .com.  But damnit, I still wanted a way to 
> get those .exe and .com attachments from some workstations.

Microsoft provides a method for doing that. Had you read the help files and
discussion on the subject completely before going off to install it, you
could have had the mechanisms in place to do exactly what you want before
the patch was installed on a single desktop. Microsoft finally sets the
security on a product to high by default and now they're idiots for having
done so?[1] Phleeze.

> I never stated that I regret installing this patch, rather, 
> I'm annoyed that MS choose this as their solution to the vb* 
> scripting stupidity.  

Which scripting language stuipidity would this be? Examples?

> The smarter solution would have been to remove the dangerous 
> capabilities of their scripting language.  Is that so 
> difficult for some to understand?

Yes, I'm completely flumoxed by it actually. Any /useful/ scripting language
is inherently dangerous. Install perl on a users desktop and I'll happily
send you a perl script which can wreck all kinds of havoc on their machine. 

> >There are certainly other solutions and Microsoft provided 
> >workarounds.. Analogies are so inaccurate when actual factual 
> >discussions would suffice.
> 
> True, however, analogies are very effective when factual 
> discussions are not understood.

Perhaps then you can do your research and get back with us? 

> >Well, that's about 30% short of what was needed. Since this was an 
> >Outlook patch, did you visit the FAQ's suggested resource for any 
> >Outlook
> questions?
> >If so, you would have found a ton of information on the subject.
> 
> Again, I did understand the nature of this patch.  70% meant 
> that I skimmed through the documentation but I understood 
> what to expect.  

Ok, then if you understood what to expect why are we having this discussion?
You knew then that files would be blocked and that there were tools to allow
you to continue to give users access to them.

> If you're referring to the FAQ advertised in this discussion 
> list, I just recently read it; my compliments to the 
> creator(s).  Very well done!

Yes, and for Outlook questions it references slipstick.com which is by far
and away the best resource on Outlook information.

> >This isn't a friendly discussion group, it's a professional 
> discussion 
> >group. The Outlook security patch has been discussed ad 
> infinitum here.
> It's
> >hardly new and if you'd wanted to know its value, you could have 
> >checked
> the
> >archives.
> 
> A group of 'professionals'?  Well, I'm not entirely convinced 
> by *some* of the responses I've received.  
> I'm new here, so I've only recently found the archives.

Well, it's certainly not a friendly discussion list, since it isn't by
invitation only I guess the level of professional skill varies greatly.

> >The assumptions I see being made are that you didn't take 
> the time to 
> >thoroughly read up on the patch or research it, and that you 
> deployed 
> >it on
> 
> Incorrect. I've already explained this several times.  
> Perhaps I wasn't clear about this in the beginning.
> 
> In my original message, I did clearly demonstrate my 
> knowledge of the registration work-around to the patch's 
> intended limitations.  I was simply inquiring about 
> alternative corrections.

Well, the registry solution is certainly one... and could be implemented
through a batch script quite easily... But the more secure solution is to
use the Exchange forms method. You can also disable the association of wsh
files and vbs files.

> > Your proactive stance being to deploy the latest version without 
> > testing?
> 
> Erroneous assumption.

Then why deploy it if it didn't meet your needs?


[1] Not that the security provided by the patch is adequate. It's still
trivial for someone who knows what they are doing to potentially exploit an
Outlook 2000 SR2 machine. But that's not really the point of this
discussion.

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2001-11-09 Thread Shawn Connelly

Mike, I really wanted to bow out of this over-discussed thread but I felt
compelled to comment.

>Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>From: "Mike Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:45:21 -0600
>
>No reason to blame MS for stupid people that open every
>"clickmetof*ckupyourcomputer.exe" they get in an email.
>
>When are people going to take responsibility for stupid stuff they do
>and their own incompetence.

Hello?  Mike are you there?  (Apologizes for the sarcasm...but...)

For the last time (I HOPE), it's not about clicking on .exe files!!  It
never has been about click on .exe files!!
It's always been about scripting files that execute simply by having a
preview pane open or masquerading as a benign graphics file or a seemingly
innocent MS Word document or MS Excel spreadsheet or... just about anything
else Microsoft has had their hands in.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

Sure, you may want to add that is what anti-virus software is for... but I
say MS should just listen to their customers and figg'n remove the
potentially damaging 'features' of their scripting language.

Sure, you may want to add that all a user must do is disable the vb
scripting components of their OS?  Really now, so AGAIN, instead of fixing
the problem, let's just remove it entirely?  What about the many situations
where basic scripting is required?  Why isn't Sun's JAVA dangerous? 

Oh, what's the other common excuse I read 
That MS products are so much more popular (ubiquitous?), that is why there
are so many vulnerabilities?  
What utter nonsense!  
Microsoft products have so many vulnerabilities because their products have
so many more vulnerabilities than other products!  
Have you forgotten that there are most Apache servers than IIS installations
and more Novell Servers than Microsoft Servers.
Why are these facts so difficult to understand?

Do I hate Microsoft like some of you have erroneously assumed?  Of course
not!  For the most part Microsoft was very successful in making computers
available to the masses and making them easy to use.   In addition, from my
point of view, Microsoft provides some of the best/friendliest support in
the business.  Comparatively speaking, Novell could learn much from
Microsoft; those %^#!@$% are clueless when it comes to caring about their
less than 1000 user clients. 

However, because Microsoft is the most ubiquitous OS in the world, they have
an additional RESPONSIBILITY to make for damn sure their products work
properly (reliable, bug free and vulnerability free as much as a billion
dollar company can).  
In my opinion, Microsoft has done a piss-poor job especially when
comparing them to Sun, Novell and even free Linux.  

>If you don't know how to drive are you going to blame the person that
>runs into you? 

Yes, if the person runs into my backend or is drunk coming in the opposite
direction!  

>If you don't know how to use a shotgun are going to blame
>the person who sold you the gun when you blow your arm off?

Anyway where is the relevance in your analogies? 
 
>have no clue. We had to send a tech down to help a person log into their
>computer. They didn't know how to press CTRL+ALT+DEL. The keyboard had
>CTL instead of CTRL on the key.

And?  I once had to show a client how to turn on a power bar before they
could turn on their computer.
So what?  Some people are not technically inclined, that is one of the
reasons why we have jobs in this business.

>Or the other fabulous ones that reboot their computer and call us saying
>their hard drive crashed when all they did was leave a non-bootable
>floppy disk in the drive.

I used to see that one often, at least until, the option to make the floppy
a secondary boot device became available.

>Because people think they are computer geniuses even though they

I wouldn't trust anyone who claims to be a genius.  Even Einstein refrained
from using that misused term.

>Don't blame MS. They are just responding to all the crap they got about
>not being secure. If people wouldn't click on every stupid theng they
>get via email, MS would ahev NEVER released that patch.

No, you're WRONG Mike.  It is the people who complain that make changes
happen.

Complacency is a very dangerous thing!

I'm a little bit of a %^$$ disturber and because of that, I have helped make
a number of commercial products better and/or safer.  
If you want a diligent beta-tester, I'm your man!   Unfortunately, these
days we much purchase beta software.

Shawn



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RE: Hi

2001-11-09 Thread Chris Scharff

Sure.[1] Because I was an original participant? Nope.


[1] Hi Craig!

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> -Original Message-
> From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Hi
> 
> 
> Is anyone left here that remembers what "Bravehearts" meant?

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RE: Exchange 5.5 and Windows XP

2001-11-09 Thread Chris Scharff

Error?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:06 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Exchange 5.5 and Windows XP
> 
> 
> When I upgraded from 2000 to XP, my Exchange 5.5 
> Administrators Program will not start.
> 
> Has anyone seen this?

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RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe - FOR THE LAST TIME!

2001-11-09 Thread Shawn Connelly

>Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>From: Chris Scharff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:54:00 -0600
>>There are about 20 pages of material relating 
>> to this patch and since I run a dept. with over 50 systems 
>
>Ok... So of the pages you did read.. Which were the compelling reasons
which
>caused you to apply the patch? What issue was it fixing for you which made
>it a time critical installation? I don't install any patch from Microsoft

Simply put, eliminate the nonsense about auto-running of vb scripts and
accident execution of like programs, yes including .exe and .com.  But
damnit, I still wanted a way to get those .exe and .com attachments from
some workstations.

I never stated that I regret installing this patch, rather, I'm annoyed that
MS choose this as their solution to the vb* scripting stupidity.  

The smarter solution would have been to remove the dangerous capabilities of
their scripting language.  Is that so difficult for some to understand?

>There are certainly other solutions and Microsoft provided workarounds..
>Analogies are so inaccurate when actual factual discussions would suffice.

True, however, analogies are very effective when factual discussions are not
understood.

>Well, that's about 30% short of what was needed. Since this was an Outlook
>patch, did you visit the FAQ's suggested resource for any Outlook
questions?
>If so, you would have found a ton of information on the subject.

Again, I did understand the nature of this patch.  70% meant that I skimmed
through the documentation but I understood what to expect.  

If you're referring to the FAQ advertised in this discussion list, I just
recently read it; my compliments to the creator(s).  Very well done!

>This isn't a friendly discussion group, it's a professional discussion
>group. The Outlook security patch has been discussed ad infinitum here.
It's
>hardly new and if you'd wanted to know its value, you could have checked
the
>archives.

A group of 'professionals'?  Well, I'm not entirely convinced by *some* of
the responses I've received.  
I'm new here, so I've only recently found the archives.

>The assumptions I see being made are that you didn't take the time to
>thoroughly read up on the patch or research it, and that you deployed it on

Incorrect. I've already explained this several times.  Perhaps I wasn't
clear about this in the beginning.

In my original message, I did clearly demonstrate my knowledge of the
registration work-around to the patch's intended limitations.  I was simply
inquiring about alternative corrections.

> Your proactive stance being to deploy the latest version without testing?

Erroneous assumption.

> Gee, let me share my $0.99 test plan... 
>1. Acknowledge existence of new patch.
>2. Monitor public forums as idiots deploy it without testing.
>3. Laugh
>4. Learn from their mistakes.
>5. Read the advice of industry experts.
>6. Decide if it's something I even need.
>7. Deploy it on a test box... Or a VM if I can't afford a test box.
>8. Understand what it does.
>9. Explain what it does to mgmt. along with a recommendation to deploy or
>not.
>10. Consume frosty beverage.

Yep, I agree.  Although the mgmt part I am management!  I really don't
have anyone to confer with.  It's rather lonely being the only IT 'expert'
in this organization.

Anyhow, you reminded me of 


a scenario I read about on Microsoft.public.windowsnt.apps that occurred a
few years back with NT 4 SP4.  I'll post this in my next msg.  - title: Why
one must test before deploying patches!   Read it, it's a riot!






Anyhow, Chris... it was a joy responding to you.  

Have a nice day,
Shawn





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RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe - FOR THE LAST TIME!

2001-11-09 Thread Don Ely

I'll second that!

Shawn, you are a moron!  Bonafide moron you are!  I don't seem to have the
problems that you do with viruses on my network.  I wonder why that is.  

Oh, and don't be ranting about one NOS being better than the other.  I
currently use all three of them...  I'm pretty sure I'm qualified to rant
about any and or all of them.

-Original Message-
From: David Strome [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe -
FOR THE LAST TIME!


Hi.

You're an idiot.

Mail platforms aren't dangerous. Admins who don't know how to protect their
systems are dangerous.

bye.

David.

-Original Message-
From: Shawn Connelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
- FOR THE LAST TIME!


> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially 
>unsafe
>From: "Martin Blackstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:45:06 -0800
>Even allowing your mail system to pass .EXE and .COM files is a mistake.
>You should thank MS for making OL block those types of files since you
>don't.

Huh??

So are implying that every other mail platform is dangerous because they
allow .com and .exe files?

Gee, I thought the real issue (read: problem) was the way Microsoft
processed their 'special' files (e.g. asp, vb*). 

Thank Microsoft, you must be joking?   

Let's see, in a typical work:
I spend about 3-6 hours research and testing (YES I really do test both in
my test lab and on my workstation VMs)  Microsoft's latest bug patches.  
For Linux, probably about 1-3 hours per week.  
For Netware 5, probably not much more than 1 hour per week.  

The point being, Microsoft can make it easier but all I see is supporting MS
products is becoming more and more costly.  
[Unnecessary inflammatory comment warning] Anyone who claims the TCO is
lower for MS NOS products as compared to Novell NOS (or any other NOS for
that matter) understands little about non-MS NOS platforms!

Okay, I'm done my rant!
 
>-Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>On Behalf Of Andy David
>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:41 AM
>Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>For such a typically minor patch?
>   Where did you get that idea?

8mb worth of changes Patches have been larger. yeah, yeah, I
know Size is not representative at all.  Why are you nitpicking
something so unimportant, forgedabowdid!

>The Patch didnt break Outlook, your lack of preparation did. Over and 
>Out.

For god's sakes, how many times must I repeat myself? 

I understood the consequences!

My intent was to simply protest the method Microsoft used to 'correct' the
problems with Outlook.  I was really hoping to hear that fellow
administrators also agreed with my observations.  

Damn, I did not expect a lynch mob! 

I'm beginning to think this is a discussion group for a Microsoft cult. (ha!
- now take it easy, that means joke okay?)

I'll tell y'all what, from now on I'll wear my dunce cap and promise never
to speak ill of Microsoft ever again.

BTW, I wish some of you folks would edit your responses (delete the
unnecessary text) before pressing the send button.  

Have a nice day everyone!

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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Paul Bouzan

~ndi

Count yourself lucky, I AM the boss and I still end up in the office 'till
9pm each night!

Damn minions want to get to the pub on time!

PBB


-Original Message-
From: Desmond Witherspoon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 09 November 2001 21:20
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: FU Friday


That's actually pretty good, my boss has bounced out the office early this
whole week. 
When the web server went down I was the one here till 9pm, I'm the one who
was in on Sunday.
(Not to sound bitter or anything)

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FU Friday




Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people who
made their week that much harder.  For example send an FU out to my boss
because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left for the
day.  Give it some thought it would be fun.

Rich

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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

Thanks Andrew.

That is what I assumed, but I just needed to confirm.


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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep


If you installed fresh Exchange 2k, you don't need to run those tools.
They RAN themselves behind the scene already.  However, if you DO have
the older exchange and wanna still talk to it after you E2K install,
there are a couple of steps you have to do first.  If you wanna to know
more, there are plenty of KB articles you can find on MS.  

Andrew,
MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA


-Original Message-
From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:30 PM
Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
Conversation: Forest and domain prep
Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep


I apologize for chiming in here late, but I have question.

Do you NEED to run these tools? What exactly are they for and what do
they do? I set up AD at home on one box and installed exchange on that
box. Should I have run these before I installed exchange? Should I run
them now?

I have never upgraded from NT 4 or an earlier version of exchange. I am
assuming these tools are only for if you are migrating, correct?

Thanks,


Mike Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.domitianx.com

Master Of The Spoon People
Keeper Of None
 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep


Well, it causes an entire replication of the GC schema and I suppose I
wouldn't want to be mucking about in it too much... How's 0300 GMT on
Saturday work for ya?

Chris
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> -Original Message-
> From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> 
> So it's not like other databases where you don't want people logged in

> during schema updates?  I was just covering my behind in making sure
> that users accessing resources in AD wouldn't cause issues.  When we 
> did our first forest prep in our test lab, it failed.  But when we ran

> it again, it worked.  Only difference was, the first time, we were
> goofing around with AD (checking permissions, creating new users, etc)
> 
> I guess I'm just a tad bit nervous.  This has to work on the first try

> or we
> will have some pretty ticked off directors.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wilson Varghese
> NT Systems Manager
> KMV, LLC
> Office: (415)229-0726
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:33 PM
> To:   Exchange Discussions
> Subject:  RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> Forestprep and domainprep don't cause outages, so I might ask you to
> rephrase the question? Replication of the changes could take weeks 
> depending on the environment. It took about 60 minutes for me to 
> install and configure E2K including forestprep and domainprep in my 
> lab last night. Course I've done it once or twice before...
> 
> Chris
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Forest and domain prep
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the amount of 
> > time it will take to do a forest prep and domain prep for a Exchange

> > 2000 migration?
> > 
> > 
> > Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you to do it

> > when you did the migration?
> > 
> > I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I should 
> > prepare for, but don't see any documentation on this.
> > 
> > Thanks for any info you can provide.
> > 
> > Wilson Varghese
> > NT Systems Manager
> > KMV, LLC
> > Office: (415)229-0726
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Andrew Chan

If you installed fresh Exchange 2k, you don't need to run those tools.
They RAN themselves behind the scene already.  However, if you DO have
the older exchange and wanna still talk to it after you E2K install,
there are a couple of steps you have to do first.  If you wanna to know
more, there are plenty of KB articles you can find on MS.  

Andrew,
MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA


-Original Message-
From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:30 PM
Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
Conversation: Forest and domain prep
Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep


I apologize for chiming in here late, but I have question.

Do you NEED to run these tools? What exactly are they for and what do
they do? I set up AD at home on one box and installed exchange on that
box. Should I have run these before I installed exchange? Should I run
them now?

I have never upgraded from NT 4 or an earlier version of exchange. I am
assuming these tools are only for if you are migrating, correct?

Thanks,


Mike Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.domitianx.com

Master Of The Spoon People
Keeper Of None
 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep


Well, it causes an entire replication of the GC schema and I suppose I
wouldn't want to be mucking about in it too much... How's 0300 GMT on
Saturday work for ya?

Chris
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Senior Sales Engineer
MessageOne
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> -Original Message-
> From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> 
> So it's not like other databases where you don't want people logged in

> during schema updates?  I was just covering my behind in making sure 
> that users accessing resources in AD wouldn't cause issues.  When we 
> did our first forest prep in our test lab, it failed.  But when we ran

> it again, it worked.  Only difference was, the first time, we were 
> goofing around with AD (checking permissions, creating new users, etc)
> 
> I guess I'm just a tad bit nervous.  This has to work on the first try

> or we
> will have some pretty ticked off directors.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wilson Varghese
> NT Systems Manager
> KMV, LLC
> Office: (415)229-0726
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:33 PM
> To:   Exchange Discussions
> Subject:  RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> Forestprep and domainprep don't cause outages, so I might ask you to 
> rephrase the question? Replication of the changes could take weeks 
> depending on the environment. It took about 60 minutes for me to 
> install and configure E2K including forestprep and domainprep in my 
> lab last night. Course I've done it once or twice before...
> 
> Chris
> --
> Chris Scharff
> Senior Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
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> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Forest and domain prep
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the amount of
> > time it will take to do a forest prep and domain prep for a Exchange

> > 2000 migration?
> > 
> > 
> > Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you to do it

> > when you did the migration?
> > 
> > I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I should
> > prepare for, but don't see any documentation on this.
> > 
> > Thanks for any info you can provide.
> > 
> > Wilson Varghese
> > NT Systems Manager
> > KMV, LLC
> > Office: (415)229-0726
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
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RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe - FOR THE LAST TIME!

2001-11-09 Thread David Strome

Hi.

You're an idiot.

Mail platforms aren't dangerous. Admins who don't know how to protect their
systems are dangerous.

bye.

David.

-Original Message-
From: Shawn Connelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
- FOR THE LAST TIME!


> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>From: "Martin Blackstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:45:06 -0800
>Even allowing your mail system to pass .EXE and .COM files is a mistake.
>You should thank MS for making OL block those types of files since you
>don't.

Huh??

So are implying that every other mail platform is dangerous because they
allow .com and .exe files?

Gee, I thought the real issue (read: problem) was the way Microsoft
processed their 'special' files (e.g. asp, vb*). 

Thank Microsoft, you must be joking?   

Let's see, in a typical work:
I spend about 3-6 hours research and testing (YES I really do test both in
my test lab and on my workstation VMs)  Microsoft's latest bug patches.  
For Linux, probably about 1-3 hours per week.  
For Netware 5, probably not much more than 1 hour per week.  

The point being, Microsoft can make it easier but all I see is supporting MS
products is becoming more and more costly.  
[Unnecessary inflammatory comment warning] Anyone who claims the TCO is
lower for MS NOS products as compared to Novell NOS (or any other NOS for
that matter) understands little about non-MS NOS platforms!

Okay, I'm done my rant!
 
>-Original Message-
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David
>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:41 AM
>Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>For such a typically minor patch?
>   Where did you get that idea?

8mb worth of changes Patches have been larger. yeah, yeah, I
know Size is not representative at all.  Why are you nitpicking
something so unimportant, forgedabowdid!

>The Patch didnt break Outlook, your lack of preparation did.
>Over and Out.

For god's sakes, how many times must I repeat myself? 

I understood the consequences!

My intent was to simply protest the method Microsoft used to 'correct' the
problems with Outlook.  I was really hoping to hear that fellow
administrators also agreed with my observations.  

Damn, I did not expect a lynch mob! 

I'm beginning to think this is a discussion group for a Microsoft cult.
(ha! - now take it easy, that means joke okay?)

I'll tell y'all what, from now on I'll wear my dunce cap and promise never
to speak ill of Microsoft ever again.

BTW, I wish some of you folks would edit your responses (delete the
unnecessary text) before pressing the send button.  

Have a nice day everyone!

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RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe - FOR THE LAST TIME!

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

Its all a matter of experience. If I had to manage a Novell network by
myself it would take me a hell of a lot longer to test stuff and
configure things than my NT/2k boxes.

Also, with Linux. I can guarantee my NT/2k boxes are much more secure
that my Linux boxes. The reason is my level of experience. I have not
spent enough time diving into Linux. I am a Linux hobbyist.

Anyone that makes a blanket statement about TCO of any platform is a
beer short of a six pack. It all comes down to experience and resources.


Mike Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.domitianx.com

Master Of The Spoon People
Keeper Of None
 

-Original Message-
From: Shawn Connelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
- FOR THE LAST TIME!


> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially 
>unsafe
>From: "Martin Blackstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:45:06 -0800
>Even allowing your mail system to pass .EXE and .COM files is a
mistake.
>You should thank MS for making OL block those types of files since you
>don't.

Huh??

So are implying that every other mail platform is dangerous because they
allow .com and .exe files?

Gee, I thought the real issue (read: problem) was the way Microsoft
processed their 'special' files (e.g. asp, vb*). 

Thank Microsoft, you must be joking?   

Let's see, in a typical work:
I spend about 3-6 hours research and testing (YES I really do test both
in my test lab and on my workstation VMs)  Microsoft's latest bug
patches.  
For Linux, probably about 1-3 hours per week.  
For Netware 5, probably not much more than 1 hour per week.  

The point being, Microsoft can make it easier but all I see is
supporting MS products is becoming more and more costly.  
[Unnecessary inflammatory comment warning] Anyone who claims the TCO is
lower for MS NOS products as compared to Novell NOS (or any other NOS
for that matter) understands little about non-MS NOS platforms!

Okay, I'm done my rant!
 
>-Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>On Behalf Of Andy David
>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:41 AM
>Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>For such a typically minor patch?
>   Where did you get that idea?

8mb worth of changes Patches have been larger. yeah, yeah, I
know Size is not representative at all.  Why are you nitpicking
something so unimportant, forgedabowdid!

>The Patch didnt break Outlook, your lack of preparation did. Over and 
>Out.

For god's sakes, how many times must I repeat myself? 

I understood the consequences!

My intent was to simply protest the method Microsoft used to 'correct'
the problems with Outlook.  I was really hoping to hear that fellow
administrators also agreed with my observations.  

Damn, I did not expect a lynch mob! 

I'm beginning to think this is a discussion group for a Microsoft cult.
(ha! - now take it easy, that means joke okay?)

I'll tell y'all what, from now on I'll wear my dunce cap and promise
never to speak ill of Microsoft ever again.

BTW, I wish some of you folks would edit your responses (delete the
unnecessary text) before pressing the send button.  

Have a nice day everyone!

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RE: OWA 5.5

2001-11-09 Thread Paul Bouzan

Are you sure...?

-Original Message-
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Sent: 09 November 2001 20:59
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


It makes sense, but it's totally non-intuitive.

-- Drew

Visit http://www.drewncapris.net!  Go!  Go there now!
Having had it with the two of them, God's punishment was that Adam and Eve
should have children of their own. Thus, the pattern was set and it has
never
changed.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Bouzan
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


~ndi

OWA 5.5 can be used for 5.5 and 2K but OWA 2K can only do 2K and not 5.5.



PBB


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 09 November 2001 20:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


Well, I think one could... But why?

Chris
--
Chris Scharff
Senior Sales Engineer
MessageOne
If you can't measure, you can't manage!


> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:01 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: OWA 5.5
>
>
> Er...iirc, that can NOT be done.
>
> Andrew,
> MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Vijay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Posted At: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:41 PM
> Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
> Conversation: OWA 5.5
> Subject: OWA 5.5
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I wanted to have OWA5.5 for Exchange 2000 BE server. Can
> anyone advice me how can I acheive this?
>
> George Vijay
>
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RE: OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing

2001-11-09 Thread Dupler, Craig

Ah the lovely goddess of Exchange Ms. Cameron.  Don't I know you from
another list and another lifetime?



-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing


oh dear.  it seems you have a bigger problem, Bill.  your email message is
infested with misplaced apostrophes and someone has stolen your commas.
[cow's =  belonging to the cow.  cows = plural form of cow.  there is no
such word as "see's".]

i think you can take a look at control panel/phone & modem options and
create an area code rule for it - tell it to dial the number only.  that
should do it.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing


OK, help
Im have a problem with OL2K and contacts, regarding phone number issues (yes
issues , the number are in therapy now)

when I enter say 5551212 for the fax number the lovely program( $^%^&!!...)
adds the...1+AREACODE to the entry thus when OL sends the message to
Exchange and then to the fax gateway, it see's 1(area code) 555-1212 and it
bomb's cause the loc number is 5551212 ...
I don't want the area code or the 1 if the number is entered as 5551212 in
contact

Yep Technet'd myself and the cow's came home,still NFG
Q's 197264,265722,197065,289526 and a host of others
non of them seems to help.

Ideas, experience about this particular situation.

thx
bill



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Hi

2001-11-09 Thread Dupler, Craig

Is anyone left here that remembers what "Bravehearts" meant?




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RE: Hi

2001-11-09 Thread Dupler, Craig

Ok, let me try another one.  Is anyone left here that remembers or knows the
whereabouts of Elaine Sharp?






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Exchange 5.5 and Windows XP

2001-11-09 Thread bt

When I upgraded from 2000 to XP, my Exchange 5.5 Administrators Program
will not start.

Has anyone seen this?

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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Hunter, Lori

It's been an odd day here.  Although we always have the haiku on Fridays, so
if you're agin Japanese poetry forms, away with you now.

As was already said, read the FAQ, print the FAQ, see if you can find some
archives that work and have a read of them as well.

Sit back and enjoy the rollercoaster 

-Original Message-
From: Desmond Witherspoon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Hello All meet...the new guy


To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
will help in the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what 
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
Network and PC Support Technician 
Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
New York, NY 10003


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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

I apologize for chiming in here late, but I have question.

Do you NEED to run these tools? What exactly are they for and what do
they do? I set up AD at home on one box and installed exchange on that
box. Should I have run these before I installed exchange? Should I run
them now?

I have never upgraded from NT 4 or an earlier version of exchange. I am
assuming these tools are only for if you are migrating, correct?

Thanks,


Mike Carlson
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep


Well, it causes an entire replication of the GC schema and I suppose I
wouldn't want to be mucking about in it too much... How's 0300 GMT on
Saturday work for ya?

Chris
-- 
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Senior Sales Engineer
MessageOne
If you can't measure, you can't manage! 


> -Original Message-
> From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> 
> So it's not like other databases where you don't want people
> logged in during schema updates?  I was just covering my 
> behind in making sure that users accessing resources in AD 
> wouldn't cause issues.  When we did our first forest prep in 
> our test lab, it failed.  But when we ran it again, it 
> worked.  Only difference was, the first time, we were goofing 
> around with AD (checking permissions, creating new users, etc)
> 
> I guess I'm just a tad bit nervous.  This has to work on the
> first try or we
> will have some pretty ticked off directors.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wilson Varghese
> NT Systems Manager
> KMV, LLC
> Office: (415)229-0726
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:33 PM
> To:   Exchange Discussions
> Subject:  RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> Forestprep and domainprep don't cause outages, so I might ask
> you to rephrase the question? Replication of the changes 
> could take weeks depending on the environment. It took about 
> 60 minutes for me to install and configure E2K including 
> forestprep and domainprep in my lab last night. Course I've 
> done it once or twice before...
> 
> Chris
> --
> Chris Scharff
> Senior Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> If you can't measure, you can't manage! 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Forest and domain prep
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the amount of 
> > time it will take to do a forest prep and domain prep for a Exchange

> > 2000 migration?
> > 
> > 
> > Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you to do it

> > when you did the migration?
> > 
> > I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I should 
> > prepare for, but don't see any documentation on this.
> > 
> > Thanks for any info you can provide.
> > 
> > Wilson Varghese
> > NT Systems Manager
> > KMV, LLC
> > Office: (415)229-0726
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RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe - FOR THE LAST TIME!

2001-11-09 Thread Shawn Connelly

> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>From: "Martin Blackstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:45:06 -0800
>Even allowing your mail system to pass .EXE and .COM files is a mistake.
>You should thank MS for making OL block those types of files since you
>don't.

Huh??

So are implying that every other mail platform is dangerous because they
allow .com and .exe files?

Gee, I thought the real issue (read: problem) was the way Microsoft
processed their 'special' files (e.g. asp, vb*). 

Thank Microsoft, you must be joking?   

Let's see, in a typical work:
I spend about 3-6 hours research and testing (YES I really do test both in
my test lab and on my workstation VMs)  Microsoft's latest bug patches.  
For Linux, probably about 1-3 hours per week.  
For Netware 5, probably not much more than 1 hour per week.  

The point being, Microsoft can make it easier but all I see is supporting MS
products is becoming more and more costly.  
[Unnecessary inflammatory comment warning] Anyone who claims the TCO is
lower for MS NOS products as compared to Novell NOS (or any other NOS for
that matter) understands little about non-MS NOS platforms!

Okay, I'm done my rant!
 
>-Original Message-
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David
>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:41 AM
>Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>For such a typically minor patch?
>   Where did you get that idea?

8mb worth of changes Patches have been larger. yeah, yeah, I
know Size is not representative at all.  Why are you nitpicking
something so unimportant, forgedabowdid!

>The Patch didnt break Outlook, your lack of preparation did.
>Over and Out.

For god's sakes, how many times must I repeat myself? 

I understood the consequences!

My intent was to simply protest the method Microsoft used to 'correct' the
problems with Outlook.  I was really hoping to hear that fellow
administrators also agreed with my observations.  

Damn, I did not expect a lynch mob! 

I'm beginning to think this is a discussion group for a Microsoft cult.
(ha! - now take it easy, that means joke okay?)

I'll tell y'all what, from now on I'll wear my dunce cap and promise never
to speak ill of Microsoft ever again.

BTW, I wish some of you folks would edit your responses (delete the
unnecessary text) before pressing the send button.  

Have a nice day everyone!

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RE: OWA 2000 KISS

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

Are you sure?  Have you done that?  I'm not saying it won't work, but others
have had trouble getting that to work.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP)
All your base are belong to us.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Carlson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 2000 KISS


You are just trying to set it up so that they don't have to type the
extra \exchange on the end right?

You could also set the default website to point to the same virtual
directory that the \exchange virtual directory points to. I believe that
should work.


Mike Carlson
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RE: OWA 2000 KISS

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

You are just trying to set it up so that they don't have to type the
extra \exchange on the end right?

You could also set the default website to point to the same virtual
directory that the \exchange virtual directory points to. I believe that
should work.


Mike Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.domitianx.com

Master Of The Spoon People
Keeper Of None
 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 2000 KISS


You could make it even easier by creating a CNAME record for "mail" and
point it to servername.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP)
All your base are belong to us.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Morrison, Gordon
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OWA 2000 KISS



Is there any way I can change the OWA launch location from being
"http:\\servername\exchange" to "http:\\servername".  This was pretty
straightforward on 5.5 OWA, but when I try it on 2000 I either get an
unauthorized to view message or I get a directory listing format, which
is kind of cool, but would make my users cranky.

Thanks
Gordon


















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Frontend / Backend servers

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

All you really do is install the server, then check the box that it's a
front-end server.  Look-ups in Active Directory ensures that users coming
into the front-end server get directed to the proper back-end server.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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Subject: Frontend / Backend servers



Hi there
I'm currently trying to setup a server to act as frontend for OWA users,
but I'm a bit lost about what to do.
The backend is running EXCH2K std edition, the frontend is enterprise.
I guess I'll need to setup some kind of connector between those 2, but
unsure about what kind.

Hope someone will be able to give a hint or post an url with some more
info


Best regards

Sune Gellert


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Organizational Forms Permissions

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

Please don't cross-post.  Many of the same people work both lists so there's
no need.

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Does anyone know how to give a standard user permissions to publish to
the Organizational Forms?

Thanks
Saul


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RE: OWA 2000 KISS

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

You could make it even easier by creating a CNAME record for "mail" and
point it to servername.

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Subject: OWA 2000 KISS



Is there any way I can change the OWA launch location from being
"http:\\servername\exchange" to "http:\\servername".  This was pretty
straightforward on 5.5 OWA, but when I try it on 2000 I either get an
unauthorized to view message or I get a directory listing format, which is
kind of cool, but would make my users cranky.

Thanks
Gordon


















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RE: Site Connector between Disparate Orgs

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

There are three types of site connectors, RPC, X.400 and SMTP.  (I'm using
my own terminology because the standard terminology is confusing.)  Any of
these three let you connect sites using the "Connected Sites" tab.  For this
to work, your sites must have the exact same organization name, and it is
case sensitive.

You may use the SMTP or X.400 connector to connect two sites in different
organizations for messaging, but you can't use the "Connected Sites" tab.
Because of this, the standard directory replication and public folder
replication mechanisms will not work.

You can buy a third-party tool to do directory replication, like Microsoft
Metadirectory Server, or Compaq LDAP Directory Synchronization Utility
(LDSU).  You can try using the Interorg Synch tool from the Back Office
Resource Kit to replicate public folder content.

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Subject: Site Connector between Disparate Orgs


Here's a question..

Can two exchsrvrs in different Org/Site's be connected across a Site
Connector (in place of IMC or x.400)? I've not seen phrasing in MS WP's that
states this cannot be done, though my testing seems to indicate it cannot.


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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Andy David

Good Gawd. This list is getting worse than ever. Why arent the Ghodesses
hosing these posts to oblivion?
Yea, yea yea... I'm one to talk - who made me List Monitor...Whatever.
These kind of lame a$$ threads make me want to retch.  
Please, everyone, put me in your killfile, put me out of my misery.

Andy



-Original Message-
From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: FU Friday


Im all for that, this is a FU to TrendMicro for giving me the damn run
around with a license number all week... thanks a lot guys... F U.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FU Friday




Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people
who
made their week that much harder.  For example send an FU out to my boss
because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left for
the
day.  Give it some thought it would be fun.

Rich

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RE: Attachments

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

Note that any limits anywhere apply to entire message size, not attachment
size.

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Thanks Bob, i will look into that now.

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RE: I have no other place to go

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

And to think someone is paying $35 a year for that.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:29 AM
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Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


Don here is your Scooby snack

www.scoobysnacks.com




-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go

So where's my Scooby snacks?!?!?!?!?!  That was one of the first things that
was mentioned...  I want my Scooby snacks!!!  ;o)

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


It worked I had to only add another VPN port.  It was set to allow only one
caller to come in at a time.

Thanks for all your help guys.
Rich

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go

I just added another VPN port and connected two users to the server.  I did
that with phone lines through the internet though .  I cant test the two
laptops that are connected to the router because they are at home connected
through a cable modem.  I will test it out when I get home and crossing my
finger I hope it works.  I have to have this done tomorrow (deadline).  They
only gave me three days notice to set this up.

-Original Message-
From: Allan Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


Would'nt you know it, one of my few posts to this list and its not about
exchange

Anyway I was going to setup a client with MS PPTP/RRAS Vpn behind a linksys
(same model), but discovered this Netopia R910 router (about $100 more)
supports PPTP VPN connections at the router.  Along with some nifty Router
to Router tunneling.

Just FYI (no connection to the company)
http://www.netopia.com/support/technotes/hardware/NQG_022.html

For what it's worth I think your 2nd VPN connection was failing because you
had only the 1 defined VPN port configured.

Allan

-Original Message-
From: Barry Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:51 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


Say "I heard on the radio there were going to be solar flares today."

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


Don't blame it on a fluke...

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


Reboot it, run out of the server room as soon as you hit restart and go to
your desk. Then when someone complains say "let me check on it". Then come
back and act like it was just a fluke. :)

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


I hate office time I want to restart the server cause I added another vpn
Port but I cant test it until everyone leave which around 8 oclock R

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go

There is a FW in the router.

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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I have no other place to go


I connected the linksys router to my cable modem at home then I connected
the two laptops to the router.  I got internet connection with them.  Then
when I connected one laptop to the VPN it worked.  And when I tried the
second one it gave me error 781:  Im not sure if there is a firewall in the
linksys router.  Otherwise Im not behind a firewall.


2598 > Windows 2000 VPN connection generates error 781 - Encryption failed
because no valid certificate was found? When you attempt to establish a VPN
connection to a VPN server, you receive: Error 781 Encryption failed because
no valid certificate was found.

This can occur on a new connection or on one that previously worked.

The error is produced because the connection is incomplete. You should:

1. Verify basic network connectivity between the client and the server.

2. Make sure that you have name resolution between the c

RE: Haiku Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Ed Crowley

Did you resubscribe?
The new reply to address
Should be known by Swynk.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Tech Consultant
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


We changed "reply-to"
Now my posts don't show up here
This makes me worry  :(

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Haiku Friday



People are stupid
At least the ones around me
I am really doomed.


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RE: OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing

2001-11-09 Thread Durkee, Peter

Grammatical AND technical advice dispensed simultaneously ... very impressive.

-Peter


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From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 13:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing


oh dear.  it seems you have a bigger problem, Bill.  your email message is
infested with misplaced apostrophes and someone has stolen your commas.
[cow's =  belonging to the cow.  cows = plural form of cow.  there is no
such word as "see's".]

i think you can take a look at control panel/phone & modem options and
create an area code rule for it - tell it to dial the number only.  that
should do it.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing


OK, help
Im have a problem with OL2K and contacts, regarding phone number issues (yes
issues , the number are in therapy now)

when I enter say 5551212 for the fax number the lovely program( $^%^&!!...)
adds the...1+AREACODE to the entry thus when OL sends the message to
Exchange and then to the fax gateway, it see's 1(area code) 555-1212 and it
bomb's cause the loc number is 5551212 ...
I don't want the area code or the 1 if the number is entered as 5551212 in
contact

Yep Technet'd myself and the cow's came home,still NFG
Q's 197264,265722,197065,289526 and a host of others
non of them seems to help.

Ideas, experience about this particular situation.

thx
bill



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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Varghese, Wilson

Actually I got the whole weekend scheduled for this Starting 6pm Friday
and ends at noon on Sunday 



Wilson Varghese 
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Friday, November 09, 2001 12:52 PM
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Subject:RE: Forest and domain prep

Well, it causes an entire replication of the GC schema and I suppose I
wouldn't want to be mucking about in it too much... How's 0300 GMT on
Saturday work for ya?

Chris
-- 
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MessageOne
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> -Original Message-
> From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> 
> So it's not like other databases where you don't want people 
> logged in during schema updates?  I was just covering my 
> behind in making sure that users accessing resources in AD 
> wouldn't cause issues.  When we did our first forest prep in 
> our test lab, it failed.  But when we ran it again, it 
> worked.  Only difference was, the first time, we were goofing 
> around with AD (checking permissions, creating new users, etc)
> 
> I guess I'm just a tad bit nervous.  This has to work on the 
> first try or we
> will have some pretty ticked off directors.
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Wilson Varghese 
> NT Systems Manager
> KMV, LLC
> Office: (415)229-0726
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:33 PM
> To:   Exchange Discussions
> Subject:  RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> Forestprep and domainprep don't cause outages, so I might ask 
> you to rephrase the question? Replication of the changes 
> could take weeks depending on the environment. It took about 
> 60 minutes for me to install and configure E2K including 
> forestprep and domainprep in my lab last night. Course I've 
> done it once or twice before...
> 
> Chris
> -- 
> Chris Scharff
> Senior Sales Engineer
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> If you can't measure, you can't manage! 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Forest and domain prep
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the
> > amount of time it will take to do a forest prep and domain 
> > prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?
> > 
> > 
> > Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you
> > to do it when you did the migration?
> > 
> > I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I
> > should prepare for, but don't see any documentation on this.
> > 
> > Thanks for any info you can provide.
> > 
> > Wilson Varghese
> > NT Systems Manager
> > KMV, LLC
> > Office: (415)229-0726
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Joel Musheno

ohh, one of the attorneys is writing a really good email to them
regarding the fact that I had to install 5.1 to block attachments when
its advertized in the solution that we purchased


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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:54 PM
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I'd offer a solution, but it would involve a different anti-virus
solution...
~
-K.Borndale
Network Administrator
Sybari Software
631.630.8569 -direct dial
631.439.0689 -fax
http://www.sybari.com
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Im all for that, this is a FU to TrendMicro for giving me the damn run
around with a license number all week... thanks a lot guys... F U.


-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FU Friday




Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people
who
made their week that much harder.  For example send an FU out to my boss
because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left for
the
day.  Give it some thought it would be fun.

Rich

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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Kelly_Borndale


I'd offer a solution, but it would involve a different anti-virus
solution...
~
-K.Borndale
Network Administrator
Sybari Software
631.630.8569 -direct dial
631.439.0689 -fax
http://www.sybari.com
"One man's ceiling is another man's floor"


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Im all for that, this is a FU to TrendMicro for giving me the damn run
around with a license number all week... thanks a lot guys... F U.


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Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people
who
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because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left for
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Joel Musheno

Im all for that, this is a FU to TrendMicro for giving me the damn run
around with a license number all week... thanks a lot guys... F U.


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Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people
who
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because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left for
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Martin Blackstone

Ill be working first thing tomorrow on a SW upgrade.
Luckily I will be sitting at my home PC with a cup of coffee and a TS
session going.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chinnery Paul
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:33 PM
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Yeah, well, I'm coming in at midnight tonight to replace some drives in
one of our servers. I work in a hospital and, boy, do nurses get PO'ed
when they have to do nurses notes on paper.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:32 PM
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Its good to be the king!
King Martin

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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:20 PM
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That's actually pretty good, my boss has bounced out the office early
this whole week. 
When the web server went down I was the one here till 9pm, I'm the one
who was in on Sunday. (Not to sound bitter or anything)

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Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Chinnery Paul

Yeah, well, I'm coming in at midnight tonight to replace some drives in one
of our servers. I work in a hospital and, boy, do nurses get PO'ed when they
have to do nurses notes on paper.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:32 PM
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Its good to be the king!
King Martin

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Desmond
Witherspoon
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: FU Friday


That's actually pretty good, my boss has bounced out the office early
this whole week. 
When the web server went down I was the one here till 9pm, I'm the one
who was in on Sunday. (Not to sound bitter or anything)

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FU Friday




Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people
who made their week that much harder.  For example send an FU out to my
boss because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Martin Blackstone

Its good to be the king!
King Martin

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Witherspoon
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:20 PM
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Subject: RE: FU Friday


That's actually pretty good, my boss has bounced out the office early
this whole week. 
When the web server went down I was the one here till 9pm, I'm the one
who was in on Sunday. (Not to sound bitter or anything)

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FU Friday




Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people
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boss because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Don Ely

Next time you'll learn about CSV files and that won't be such a problem.
;o)

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Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people who
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Waters, Jeff

ya but, would you want him there when you were trying to fix it.  I prefer
the it broke at 8 and I fixed it at 9.  No I didn't need to call you.


Jeffrey R. Waters
Senior Systems Engineer
Information Technology, Hanover County


-Original Message-
From: Desmond Witherspoon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:20 PM
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That's actually pretty good, my boss has bounced out the office early this
whole week. 
When the web server went down I was the one here till 9pm, I'm the one who
was in on Sunday.
(Not to sound bitter or anything)

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FU Friday




Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people who
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RE: FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Desmond Witherspoon

That's actually pretty good, my boss has bounced out the office early this
whole week. 
When the web server went down I was the one here till 9pm, I'm the one who
was in on Sunday.
(Not to sound bitter or anything)

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FU Friday




Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people who
made their week that much harder.  For example send an FU out to my boss
because he made me create 250 dls at 430 on firday and then he left for the
day.  Give it some thought it would be fun.

Rich

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RE: OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing

2001-11-09 Thread Kim Cameron

oh dear.  it seems you have a bigger problem, Bill.  your email message is
infested with misplaced apostrophes and someone has stolen your commas.
[cow's =  belonging to the cow.  cows = plural form of cow.  there is no
such word as "see's".]

i think you can take a look at control panel/phone & modem options and
create an area code rule for it - tell it to dial the number only.  that
should do it.


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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:03 PM
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OK, help
Im have a problem with OL2K and contacts, regarding phone number issues (yes
issues , the number are in therapy now)

when I enter say 5551212 for the fax number the lovely program( $^%^&!!...)
adds the...1+AREACODE to the entry thus when OL sends the message to
Exchange and then to the fax gateway, it see's 1(area code) 555-1212 and it
bomb's cause the loc number is 5551212 ...
I don't want the area code or the 1 if the number is entered as 5551212 in
contact

Yep Technet'd myself and the cow's came home,still NFG
Q's 197264,265722,197065,289526 and a host of others
non of them seems to help.

Ideas, experience about this particular situation.

thx
bill



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FU Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Tener, Richard



Anyone want to start an FU friday list.  We can send out an FU to people who
made their week that much harder.  For example send an FU out to my boss
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RE: OWA 5.5

2001-11-09 Thread Andrew Chan

Oops.. My bad... I read too quick, and thought it was the other way
around that he wanted this implemented...

Sorry...

Andrew,
MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA


-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:08 AM
Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
Conversation: OWA 5.5
Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


Why not?  OWA 5.5 is nothing but a MAPI client.  You can login to E2K
using any MAPI client.  MS actually stated in various MECs that this is
possible. You can't do it the other way around, though.

S.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:01 PM
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Er...iirc, that can NOT be done.  

Andrew,
MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA


-Original Message-
From: George Vijay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:41 PM
Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
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Subject: OWA 5.5


Dear All,

I wanted to have OWA5.5 for Exchange 2000 BE server. Can anyone advice
me how can I acheive this?

George Vijay

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Tim Ault

Forgot 'bout Friday
what with being so busy
messing with Exchange.

Gonna migrate some
GroupWise clients pretty soon.
I will enjoy this.


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From: Vivino, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


HP and Compaq
Executive Dilemma
Carly's gotta go

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From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday



One more great Friday
Got db corruption here
Sucks to be me, eh?

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


We changed "reply-to"
Now my posts don't show up here
This makes me worry  :(

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Haiku Friday



People are stupid
At least the ones around me
I am really doomed.


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Re: Address book for OWA

2001-11-09 Thread Tony Hlabse

If your running 5.5 then go to www.cdolive.com. The code is there. The code
is also suppose to work with 2000 but waiting on final testing by Mr. Weber


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> Hi All,
> Is there any way to make address books, either the global and the contact,
> available for the OWA users?
>
>
> Thanks you!
>
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RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe

2001-11-09 Thread Doug Hampshire

Hey, it's the damn liberals and the ACLU that won't let us humiliate people.
Us conservative are all for public humiliation.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe

Hey, I resemble THAT remark! 

I'm a full-fledged, card carrying hippie witch here, Eric.  I would have
voted for that policy and as an added bonus put pictures of the offenders
(wearing cap and shirt) on a bulletin board by the coffee machine.  Probably
posted on the intranet as well.

Damn conservatives.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe


At my last job we proposed a security policy whereby any user who executed a
virus and infected the system would have to wear a dunce cap and a T-Shirt
that says "I'm the idiot who opened the virus" for a week.  It was almost
made policy.  Damn hippies shot it down...

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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe


Exactly why MS has to create patches like this particular one.

Morons.

What would be cool is if you could put a lock on their mail box so that
when they open up Outlook there is an administrative message staring
them in the face. Before they could open any email they would have to
click OK and then retype what the administrative message was in a box
exactly as it was. If they don't get it right, they are prompted again.
If a new virus goes around the admin could put a lock on all mailboxes
until they perform those steps.

Kind like yelling at your kids. You tell them something and then you
make them repeat it back to you so that you realize they heard what you
said.

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe


Users will open anything regardless of what you say.
I remember ILOVEYOU, and a user. I had sent out emails all day long
warning about this virus that had penetrated to a few machines before we
had the DAT file for it. Anyhow, after an email an hour all day, I was
talking to this guy about it at his desk. As I am talking, he is looking
at mail and opens it right then! He had a laptop, and I ripped the
PCCard NIC out, but too late. He just stood there and stared at me, as I
turned and ran for my servers. Too late.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe


Yes you should and you do. Edit the registry.

No reason to blame MS for stupid people that open every
"clickmetof*ckupyourcomputer.exe" they get in an email.

When are people going to take responsibility for stupid stuff they do
and their own incompetence.

If you don't know how to drive are you going to blame the person that
runs into you? If you don't know how to use a shotgun are going to blame
the person who sold you the gun when you blow your arm off?

I am amazed all the time when we get new hires, that cant barely survive
without a sign on their desk reminding them to inhale and exhale
otherwise they will die, and throw them in front of a computer and they
have no clue. We had to send a tech down to help a person log into their
computer. They didn't know how to press CTRL+ALT+DEL. The keyboard had
CTL instead of CTRL on the key.

Or the other fabulous ones that reboot their computer and call us saying
their hard drive crashed when all they did was leave a non-bootable
floppy disk in the drive.

People need to take responsibility and face up to the fact that they are
computer illiterate or just plain dense when it comes to some of this
stuff.

Because people think they are computer geniuses even though they
couldn't tell the difference between \ and / companies like Microsoft
have to put in their application things like this patch.

My wife is a prime example. She will be the first to admint she doesn't
know anything about computers ecept for the applications that she uses
all the time. If I am logged into my computer and she needs it, she logs
into her own account because I have setup her account so that she cant
do any damage to the computer.

Don't blame MS. They are just responding to all the crap they got about
not being secure. If people wouldn't click on every stupid theng they
get via email, MS would ahev NEVER released that patch.

There is no one to blame but morons.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Wynkoop, John [

OL2K - contacts..freakin Fax number area code added thing

2001-11-09 Thread Mellott, Bill

OK, help
Im have a problem with OL2K and contacts, regarding phone number issues (yes
issues , the number are in therapy now)

when I enter say 5551212 for the fax number the lovely program( $^%^&!!...)
adds the...1+AREACODE to the entry thus when OL sends the message to
Exchange and then to the fax gateway, it see's 1(area code) 555-1212 and it
bomb's cause the loc number is 5551212 ...
I don't want the area code or the 1 if the number is entered as 5551212 in
contact

Yep Technet'd myself and the cow's came home,still NFG
Q's 197264,265722,197065,289526 and a host of others
non of them seems to help.

Ideas, experience about this particular situation.

thx
bill



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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Chris Scharff

Well, it causes an entire replication of the GC schema and I suppose I
wouldn't want to be mucking about in it too much... How's 0300 GMT on
Saturday work for ya?

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> -Original Message-
> From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> 
> So it's not like other databases where you don't want people 
> logged in during schema updates?  I was just covering my 
> behind in making sure that users accessing resources in AD 
> wouldn't cause issues.  When we did our first forest prep in 
> our test lab, it failed.  But when we ran it again, it 
> worked.  Only difference was, the first time, we were goofing 
> around with AD (checking permissions, creating new users, etc)
> 
> I guess I'm just a tad bit nervous.  This has to work on the 
> first try or we
> will have some pretty ticked off directors.
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Wilson Varghese 
> NT Systems Manager
> KMV, LLC
> Office: (415)229-0726
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:33 PM
> To:   Exchange Discussions
> Subject:  RE: Forest and domain prep
> 
> Forestprep and domainprep don't cause outages, so I might ask 
> you to rephrase the question? Replication of the changes 
> could take weeks depending on the environment. It took about 
> 60 minutes for me to install and configure E2K including 
> forestprep and domainprep in my lab last night. Course I've 
> done it once or twice before...
> 
> Chris
> -- 
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> If you can't measure, you can't manage! 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Forest and domain prep
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the
> > amount of time it will take to do a forest prep and domain 
> > prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?
> > 
> > 
> > Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you
> > to do it when you did the migration?
> > 
> > I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I
> > should prepare for, but don't see any documentation on this.
> > 
> > Thanks for any info you can provide.
> > 
> > Wilson Varghese
> > NT Systems Manager
> > KMV, LLC
> > Office: (415)229-0726
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RE: OWA 5.5

2001-11-09 Thread Drewski

It makes sense, but it's totally non-intuitive.

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should have children of their own. Thus, the pattern was set and it has never
changed.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Bouzan
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


~ndi

OWA 5.5 can be used for 5.5 and 2K but OWA 2K can only do 2K and not 5.5.



PBB


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 09 November 2001 20:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


Well, I think one could... But why?

Chris
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> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:01 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: OWA 5.5
>
>
> Er...iirc, that can NOT be done.
>
> Andrew,
> MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Vijay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Posted At: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:41 PM
> Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
> Conversation: OWA 5.5
> Subject: OWA 5.5
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I wanted to have OWA5.5 for Exchange 2000 BE server. Can
> anyone advice me how can I acheive this?
>
> George Vijay
>
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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Varghese, Wilson

So it's not like other databases where you don't want people logged in
during schema updates?  I was just covering my behind in making sure that
users accessing resources in AD wouldn't cause issues.  When we did our
first forest prep in our test lab, it failed.  But when we ran it again, it
worked.  Only difference was, the first time, we were goofing around with AD
(checking permissions, creating new users, etc)

I guess I'm just a tad bit nervous.  This has to work on the first try or we
will have some pretty ticked off directors.

Thanks, 

Wilson Varghese 
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Friday, November 09, 2001 12:33 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Forest and domain prep

Forestprep and domainprep don't cause outages, so I might ask you to
rephrase the question? Replication of the changes could take weeks depending
on the environment. It took about 60 minutes for me to install and configure
E2K including forestprep and domainprep in my lab last night. Course I've
done it once or twice before...

Chris
-- 
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> -Original Message-
> From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Forest and domain prep
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the 
> amount of time it will take to do a forest prep and domain 
> prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?
> 
> 
> Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you 
> to do it when you did the migration?
> 
> I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I 
> should prepare for, but don't see any documentation on this.
> 
> Thanks for any info you can provide.
> 
> Wilson Varghese 
> NT Systems Manager
> KMV, LLC
> Office: (415)229-0726
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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RE: OWA 5.5

2001-11-09 Thread Soysal, Serdar

Why not?  OWA 5.5 is nothing but a MAPI client.  You can login to E2K using
any MAPI client.  MS actually stated in various MECs that this is possible.
You can't do it the other way around, though.

S.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


Er...iirc, that can NOT be done.  

Andrew,
MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA


-Original Message-
From: George Vijay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:41 PM
Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
Conversation: OWA 5.5
Subject: OWA 5.5


Dear All,

I wanted to have OWA5.5 for Exchange 2000 BE server. Can anyone advice
me how can I acheive this?

George Vijay

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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Chris Scharff

Forestprep and domainprep don't cause outages, so I might ask you to
rephrase the question? Replication of the changes could take weeks depending
on the environment. It took about 60 minutes for me to install and configure
E2K including forestprep and domainprep in my lab last night. Course I've
done it once or twice before...

Chris
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> -Original Message-
> From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Forest and domain prep
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the 
> amount of time it will take to do a forest prep and domain 
> prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?
> 
> 
> Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you 
> to do it when you did the migration?
> 
> I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I 
> should prepare for, but don't see any documentation on this.
> 
> Thanks for any info you can provide.
> 
> Wilson Varghese 
> NT Systems Manager
> KMV, LLC
> Office: (415)229-0726
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Etts, Russell

Hi there

If it helps you at all, the actual forestprep proceedure only took about 20
minutes (just did this last night).  However, it took over an hour to
replicate to all the servers.  I actually called Microsoft last night
because I thought there was a problem.  Thank goodness the Microsoft guy on
the other end told me he'll send me a certain white paper and refund me my
245.00.  I came in early today and started the upgrade on the Exchange 2000
server [but that's another post;)].

Hope this helps

Russell



-Original Message-
From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Forest and domain prep


Thanks Kim, 

We created a test lab environment to try out many different scenarios.  One
thing we really couldn't judge was how long forest prep would take because
during some of our tests, the time ranged from 30 minutes to 2 hours for no
apparent reason.  So I was afraid that it could take all weekend on the
production servers.  

Also if anyone knows... I am going to create a native mode child domain so
the delegations, distribution lists, etc will come across properly during
the in place upgrade.  Does this sound like a valid method?  We tested out
so many different ways to minimize the impact on the end user and we finally
had to break down and do the following method:

1. Offline backup of current Exchange 5.5 (currently it's a NT4 BDC Cluster)
2. Dump Public Folder permission dump with PFADMIN.
3. Shut down current Exchange 5.5 (fall back if everything fails)
4. Restore database onto a new Win2k (non DC), Exch 5.5 staging server and
bring it up
5. Create Native Mode child domain (so DL's and delegations can have a place
to be stored.  TechNet says that these will be lost if there isn't a native
mode domain available)
6. Do an in place upgrade of 5.5 to Exch 2000 (this is what everyone is
nervous about)
7. Cross our fingers and toes and bring up the server
8. If everything works, we will build a Win2k, Exch 2k cluster server on the
SAN and join it to the current Exchange Site.
9. Migrate users to the new Cluster server and shut down the staging server.
10. Move Public Folders and import the PFADMIN dump of permissions.
11. If things fail during any of these steps, we will just plug the old NT4
Cluster back in and users will get their email access back.

Since the site will remain the same, we won't have to visit the users
desktops, which is a big advantage.  Anyone have any recommendations on this
plan?  Maybe something I'm missing or some steps I can skip?

Thanks a lot for your help and hope everyone is having a good Friday.

Wilson Varghese 
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Friday, November 09, 2001 12:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Forest and domain prep

Wilson,
as i recall, we first did the schema modifications by running setup.exe with
the /schemaonly switch.  this "stretched" the schema and lessened the work
to be done by forestprep.  it took about a half-hour in our forest.

forestprep also took about a half hour from the time we completed the
wizard.  domainprep took even less time.

i do recommend that you try all of these in a test lab - even a single DC
off your network somewhere.  there are a number of places where you can run
into issues - primarily permissions problems - that could cost you hours to
figure out.  you probably don't want that to happen during a scheduled
outage window on your production domain.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Varghese, Wilson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Forest and domain prep


Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the amount of time it
will take to do a forest prep and domain prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?


Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you to do it when
you did the migration?

I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I should prepare for,
but don't see any documentation on this.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Wilson Varghese
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: OWA 5.5

2001-11-09 Thread Paul Bouzan

~ndi

OWA 5.5 can be used for 5.5 and 2K but OWA 2K can only do 2K and not 5.5.



PBB


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 09 November 2001 20:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 5.5


Well, I think one could... But why?

Chris
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> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:01 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: OWA 5.5
> 
> 
> Er...iirc, that can NOT be done.  
> 
> Andrew,
> MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: George Vijay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Posted At: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:41 PM
> Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
> Conversation: OWA 5.5
> Subject: OWA 5.5
> 
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I wanted to have OWA5.5 for Exchange 2000 BE server. Can 
> anyone advice me how can I acheive this?
> 
> George Vijay
> 
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RE: E2k SP2

2001-11-09 Thread Josefowski, Larry

When it is ready.  (FAQ)

-Original Message-
From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E2k SP2


Out of curiosity, what is the target release date of SP2 for E2k?


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RE: OT - flirtatiousness on THIS list??

2001-11-09 Thread Chris Scharff

Never say anything in e-mail you wouldn't want repeated in public and it's
not an issue.

> -Original Message-
> From: Black, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:52 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: OT - flirtatiousness on THIS list??
> 
> 
> Where is your discretion?  Forwarding an offline post to a 
> public list. WTF?  ...Somebody must have forgotten to read 
> the FAQ on posting in public places. (or read the archives)
> 
> Regardless of how many people know that you strive to be 
> rude, this is ruthless and a slap in the face to every 
> respectable admin.  
> 
> Nathan
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > /dev/null
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:13 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: OT - flirtatiousness on THIS list??
> > 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:55 PM
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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Paul Bouzan

Oh yes..!

-Original Message-
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Sent: 09 November 2001 20:10
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


Fine line of warriors, the potato people

-Original Message-
From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


~ndi

Ah, so the King of the Potato People has joined the list then... 

PBB


-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 09 November 2001 19:46
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Paul Bouzan wrote:
> Don't worry Desmond, Fridays are always like this

  Not true.  It's like this all the time.  ;-)

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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Varghese, Wilson

Thanks Kim, 

We created a test lab environment to try out many different scenarios.  One
thing we really couldn't judge was how long forest prep would take because
during some of our tests, the time ranged from 30 minutes to 2 hours for no
apparent reason.  So I was afraid that it could take all weekend on the
production servers.  

Also if anyone knows... I am going to create a native mode child domain so
the delegations, distribution lists, etc will come across properly during
the in place upgrade.  Does this sound like a valid method?  We tested out
so many different ways to minimize the impact on the end user and we finally
had to break down and do the following method:

1. Offline backup of current Exchange 5.5 (currently it's a NT4 BDC Cluster)
2. Dump Public Folder permission dump with PFADMIN.
3. Shut down current Exchange 5.5 (fall back if everything fails)
4. Restore database onto a new Win2k (non DC), Exch 5.5 staging server and
bring it up
5. Create Native Mode child domain (so DL's and delegations can have a place
to be stored.  TechNet says that these will be lost if there isn't a native
mode domain available)
6. Do an in place upgrade of 5.5 to Exch 2000 (this is what everyone is
nervous about)
7. Cross our fingers and toes and bring up the server
8. If everything works, we will build a Win2k, Exch 2k cluster server on the
SAN and join it to the current Exchange Site.
9. Migrate users to the new Cluster server and shut down the staging server.
10. Move Public Folders and import the PFADMIN dump of permissions.
11. If things fail during any of these steps, we will just plug the old NT4
Cluster back in and users will get their email access back.

Since the site will remain the same, we won't have to visit the users
desktops, which is a big advantage.  Anyone have any recommendations on this
plan?  Maybe something I'm missing or some steps I can skip?

Thanks a lot for your help and hope everyone is having a good Friday.

Wilson Varghese 
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Friday, November 09, 2001 12:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Forest and domain prep

Wilson,
as i recall, we first did the schema modifications by running setup.exe with
the /schemaonly switch.  this "stretched" the schema and lessened the work
to be done by forestprep.  it took about a half-hour in our forest.

forestprep also took about a half hour from the time we completed the
wizard.  domainprep took even less time.

i do recommend that you try all of these in a test lab - even a single DC
off your network somewhere.  there are a number of places where you can run
into issues - primarily permissions problems - that could cost you hours to
figure out.  you probably don't want that to happen during a scheduled
outage window on your production domain.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Varghese, Wilson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Forest and domain prep


Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the amount of time it
will take to do a forest prep and domain prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?


Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you to do it when
you did the migration?

I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I should prepare for,
but don't see any documentation on this.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Wilson Varghese
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: OWA 5.5

2001-11-09 Thread Chris Scharff

Well, I think one could... But why?

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> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:01 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
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> 
> 
> Er...iirc, that can NOT be done.  
> 
> Andrew,
> MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Posted At: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:41 PM
> Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
> Conversation: OWA 5.5
> Subject: OWA 5.5
> 
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I wanted to have OWA5.5 for Exchange 2000 BE server. Can 
> anyone advice me how can I acheive this?
> 
> George Vijay
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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Desmond Witherspoon

Fine line of warriors, the potato people

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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


~ndi

Ah, so the King of the Potato People has joined the list then... 

PBB


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Sent: 09 November 2001 19:46
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Paul Bouzan wrote:
> Don't worry Desmond, Fridays are always like this

  Not true.  It's like this all the time.  ;-)

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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Paul Bouzan

~ndi

Ah, so the King of the Potato People has joined the list then... 

PBB


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Sent: 09 November 2001 19:46
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Paul Bouzan wrote:
> Don't worry Desmond, Fridays are always like this

  Not true.  It's like this all the time.  ;-)

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RE: Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Kim Cameron

Wilson,
as i recall, we first did the schema modifications by running setup.exe with
the /schemaonly switch.  this "stretched" the schema and lessened the work
to be done by forestprep.  it took about a half-hour in our forest.

forestprep also took about a half hour from the time we completed the
wizard.  domainprep took even less time.

i do recommend that you try all of these in a test lab - even a single DC
off your network somewhere.  there are a number of places where you can run
into issues - primarily permissions problems - that could cost you hours to
figure out.  you probably don't want that to happen during a scheduled
outage window on your production domain.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Varghese, Wilson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Forest and domain prep


Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the amount of time it
will take to do a forest prep and domain prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?


Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you to do it when
you did the migration?

I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I should prepare for,
but don't see any documentation on this.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Wilson Varghese
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
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RE: Upgrading to W2K

2001-11-09 Thread Roger Seielstad

It can be done, but it can get really ugly.

I tend to prefer avoiding upgrades whenever possible. Usually that's always.

If you can get a big enough box to host Exchange temporarily, you can move
everyone to it, rebuilt the current box to how you want it, then move
everyone back. Use the move server method in the FAQ.

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> Subject: Upgrading to W2K
> 
> 
> I want to upgrade an NT4 SP6a server with E5.5 Sp4 to W2K 
> Server.  I want to
> do a direct upgrade and not have to touch Exchange.  Has 
> anyone done this
> and if so are there any pitfalls to be aware of?  I plan to 
> review TechNet
> prior to doing it but I thought someone who as had the 
> experience could
> comment.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Lambert, MCP,MCSE
> 
> 
> Network Consultant
> Endoxy Healthcare
> 847-941-9206
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Address book for OWA

2001-11-09 Thread Jin

Hi All,
Is there any way to make address books, either the global and the contact,
available for the OWA users?


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RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu

2001-11-09 Thread Black, Nathan

But the Kings men are still looking for Humpty Dumpty, alhtough he was seen
being carried off my a horsemen in 5 in. heels.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:13 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu
> 
> 
> Naw, even the horsemen have fled the city!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:00 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu
> 
> 
> Er, does anyone see four horsemen lurking about?  Especially in the
> Manhattan area?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:00 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu
> 
> 
> Well. I have absolutely no retort to this!
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:54 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu
> 
> 
> 
> On a Server its one more thing that could go wrong. I stand 
> by my first
> comment.
> 
> Rachel
>   (Note to self... Where did I leave lace blouse that shows off
> cleavage?)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:52 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu
> 
> 
> You must be using it wrong then.
> Uncheck "View as Web Page". Works Fine.
> 
> Respectfully leering
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:08 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu
> 
> 
> I hope you are kidding.
> Active Desktop has never been, and is not now stable.
> I would never recommend you turn that feature on. Ever.
> 
> respectfully lurking
> rachel
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu
> 
> 
> Or Maybe install IE with active Desktop and split the Logoff 
> and Shutdown
> menus...
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Forest and domain prep

2001-11-09 Thread Varghese, Wilson

Does anyone know if there is a formula to calculate the amount of time it
will take to do a forest prep and domain prep for a Exchange 2000 migration?


Or can someone give me some numbers on how long it took you to do it when
you did the migration?

I am just trying to see what kind of an outage window I should prepare for,
but don't see any documentation on this.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Wilson Varghese 
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
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E2k SP2

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

Out of curiosity, what is the target release date of SP2 for E2k?


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RE: OT - flirtatiousness on THIS list??

2001-11-09 Thread Black, Nathan

Where is your discretion?  Forwarding an offline post to a public list.
WTF?  ...Somebody must have forgotten to read the FAQ on posting in public
places. (or read the archives)

Regardless of how many people know that you strive to be rude, this is
ruthless and a slap in the face to every respectable admin.  

Nathan

[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /dev/null

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> 


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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott

On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Paul Bouzan wrote:
> Don't worry Desmond, Fridays are always like this

  Not true.  It's like this all the time.  ;-)

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RE: Upgrading to W2K

2001-11-09 Thread blambert

Thanks, Kim...

I'll take the recommendations of a clean install into consideration.  I
appreciate the suggestions.

Bill Lambert
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Upgrading to W2K


i don't think i would go that far, Martin.  you aren't still using windows
for workgroups, are you?

Bill,
there's a guide at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/upgrading/compat/issues
.asp  that you may want to check out.  i don't recall any specific issues
with that upgrade.


-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Upgrading to W2K


Upgrades suck. Period. I wouldn't waste my time unless you have some
specific business need.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Upgrading to W2K


I want to upgrade an NT4 SP6a server with E5.5 Sp4 to W2K Server.  I want to
do a direct upgrade and not have to touch Exchange.  Has anyone done this
and if so are there any pitfalls to be aware of?  I plan to review TechNet
prior to doing it but I thought someone who as had the experience could
comment.

Thanks.




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RE: Upgrading to W2K

2001-11-09 Thread Martin Blackstone

No. But I don't do upgrades. I do fresh installs to the OS. Always.

My issue with upgrading the OS is that if you have problems (which you
probably will), what do you blame it on? Is it a bug? Something from the
upgrade?

I just do trust em. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kim Cameron
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Upgrading to W2K


i don't think i would go that far, Martin.  you aren't still using
windows for workgroups, are you?

Bill,
there's a guide at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/upgrading/compat/is
sues
.asp  that you may want to check out.  i don't recall any specific
issues with that upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin
Blackstone
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Upgrading to W2K


Upgrades suck. Period. I wouldn't waste my time unless you have some
specific business need.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Upgrading to W2K


I want to upgrade an NT4 SP6a server with E5.5 Sp4 to W2K Server.  I
want to do a direct upgrade and not have to touch Exchange.  Has anyone
done this and if so are there any pitfalls to be aware of?  I plan to
review TechNet prior to doing it but I thought someone who as had the
experience could comment.

Thanks.




Bill Lambert, MCP,MCSE


Network Consultant
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847-941-9206
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RE: Upgrading to W2K

2001-11-09 Thread Kim Cameron

i don't think i would go that far, Martin.  you aren't still using windows
for workgroups, are you?

Bill,
there's a guide at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/upgrading/compat/issues
.asp  that you may want to check out.  i don't recall any specific issues
with that upgrade.


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Upgrades suck. Period. I wouldn't waste my time unless you have some
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RE: Upgrading to W2K

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

Upgrading is like rolling the dice. It may work and it may not.

A clean install is always the recommended procedure.


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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Mike Carlson

All morning.

:-)

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How long have you guys been keeping this up?


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Yeah, that's what I mean too :)

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
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"Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash
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Well, yeah that's what I meant

-Original Message-
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Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash
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Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys will help
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With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
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I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
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Metropolitan New York Library Council 
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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Desmond Witherspoon

How long have you guys been keeping this up?


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Yeah, that's what I mean too :)

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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"Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet" -Denis Baldwin

Well, yeah that's what I meant

-Original Message-
From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet.

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
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With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
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I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
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Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Soysal, Serdar

Huh?  What?  Who?

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Yeah, that's what I mean too :)

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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"Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet" -Denis Baldwin

Well, yeah that's what I meant

-Original Message-
From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet.

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
will help in the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what 
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
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Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Denis Baldwin

Yeah, that's what I mean too :)

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desmond
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"Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet" -Denis Baldwin

Well, yeah that's what I meant

-Original Message-
From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet.

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desmond
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To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
will help in the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what 
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
Network and PC Support Technician 
Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
New York, NY 10003


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RE: Upgrading to W2K

2001-11-09 Thread Martin Blackstone

Upgrades suck. Period. I wouldn't waste my time unless you have some
specific business need.

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I want to upgrade an NT4 SP6a server with E5.5 Sp4 to W2K Server.  I
want to do a direct upgrade and not have to touch Exchange.  Has anyone
done this and if so are there any pitfalls to be aware of?  I plan to
review TechNet prior to doing it but I thought someone who as had the
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Thanks.




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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-11-09 Thread Vivino, David

HP and Compaq
Executive Dilemma
Carly's gotta go

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One more great Friday
Got db corruption here
Sucks to be me, eh?

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We changed "reply-to"
Now my posts don't show up here
This makes me worry  :(

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People are stupid
At least the ones around me
I am really doomed.


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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Paul Bouzan

~ndi

Don't worry Desmond, Fridays are always like this.  They all get serious
from Monday onwards...

 Or so the King of the Potato People told me anyway

PBB


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"Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet" -Denis Baldwin

Well, yeah that's what I meant

-Original Message-
From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet.

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
will help in the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
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I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
Network and PC Support Technician 
Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
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Upgrading to W2K

2001-11-09 Thread blambert

I want to upgrade an NT4 SP6a server with E5.5 Sp4 to W2K Server.  I want to
do a direct upgrade and not have to touch Exchange.  Has anyone done this
and if so are there any pitfalls to be aware of?  I plan to review TechNet
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Thanks.




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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Desmond Witherspoon

"Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet" -Denis Baldwin

Well, yeah that's what I meant

-Original Message-
From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


Welcome to the biggest cat-fight-flirting-haiku-throwing-exchange-bash on
the planet.

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Network Administrator, CAE. Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desmond
Witherspoon
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Hello All meet...the new guy


To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
will help in the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what 
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
Network and PC Support Technician 
Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
New York, NY 10003


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RE: Frontend / Backend servers

2001-11-09 Thread Roger Seielstad

There is an updated FE/BE whitepaper available at Microsoft that covers all
of this.

Roger
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT
Senior Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems
Atlanta, GA
http://www.peregrine.com


> -Original Message-
> From: Exchange Mailinglist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:45 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Frontend / Backend servers
> 
> 
> 
> Hi there
> I'm currently trying to setup a server to act as frontend for 
> OWA users,
> but I'm a bit lost about what to do.
> The backend is running EXCH2K std edition, the frontend is 
> enterprise. 
> I guess I'll need to setup some kind of connector between those 2, but
> unsure about what kind.
> 
> Hope someone will be able to give a hint or post an url with some more
> info
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Sune Gellert
> 
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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread blambert

The parrot's not deadhes...hessleeping!!

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-Original Message-
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


What did you expect, the Spanish Inquisition? Nobody expects the Spanish
Inquisition.

-Original Message-
From: Desmond Witherspoon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Hello All meet...the new guy


To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys will help in
the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what 
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
Network and PC Support Technician 
Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
New York, NY 10003


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RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu

2001-11-09 Thread Andy David

Naw, even the horsemen have fled the city!


-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu


Er, does anyone see four horsemen lurking about?  Especially in the
Manhattan area?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu


Well. I have absolutely no retort to this!


Andy



-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu



On a Server its one more thing that could go wrong. I stand by my first
comment.

Rachel
(Note to self... Where did I leave lace blouse that shows off
cleavage?)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu


You must be using it wrong then.
Uncheck "View as Web Page". Works Fine.

Respectfully leering
Andy


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:08 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu


I hope you are kidding.
Active Desktop has never been, and is not now stable.
I would never recommend you turn that feature on. Ever.

respectfully lurking
rachel

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Removing 'Shut Down' from shutdown menu


Or Maybe install IE with active Desktop and split the Logoff and Shutdown
menus...




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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Doug Hampshire

What did you expect, the Spanish Inquisition? Nobody expects the Spanish
Inquisition.

-Original Message-
From: Desmond Witherspoon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Hello All meet...the new guy


To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys will help in
the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what 
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
Network and PC Support Technician 
Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
New York, NY 10003


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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Barry Patterson

FAQs? HEHE
{Look at bottom of email}

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


Hi.  Welcome.  Hey, take the time and go through the FAQs.  They'll help you
a bundle.

S.

-Original Message-
From: Desmond Witherspoon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Hello All meet...the new guy


To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
will help in the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon
Network and PC Support Technician
Metropolitan New York Library Council
57 East 11th Street
New York, NY 10003


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RE: Hello All meet...the new guy

2001-11-09 Thread Josefowski, Larry

And wear a cup, preferably fireproof.

-Original Message-
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Hello All meet...the new guy


Hi.  Welcome.  Hey, take the time and go through the FAQs.  They'll help you
a bundle.

S.

-Original Message-
From: Desmond Witherspoon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Hello All meet...the new guy


To all,
Hey I just joined this list in the hopes that one of you guys
will help in the coming months with some updates and upgrades.

With that being said? How the hell is everybody? I received my 
first messages earlier this morning...and its not totally what 
I expected.

Desmond Witherspoon 
Network and PC Support Technician 
Metropolitan New York Library Council 
57 East 11th Street 
New York, NY 10003


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Re: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe

2001-11-09 Thread Eric Cooper

I'm a closet hippie, too - but when it comes to E-mail I'm a militant
fascist.  I was referring to E-mail hippies.  I hate em.  Real hippies are
groovy man.

- Original Message -
From: "Hunter, Lori" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe


> Hey, I resemble THAT remark!
>
> I'm a full-fledged, card carrying hippie witch here, Eric.  I would have
> voted for that policy and as an added bonus put pictures of the offenders
> (wearing cap and shirt) on a bulletin board by the coffee machine.
Probably
> posted on the intranet as well.
>
> Damn conservatives.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:12 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>
>
> At my last job we proposed a security policy whereby any user who executed
a
> virus and infected the system would have to wear a dunce cap and a T-Shirt
> that says "I'm the idiot who opened the virus" for a week.  It was almost
> made policy.  Damn hippies shot it down...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>
>
> Exactly why MS has to create patches like this particular one.
>
> Morons.
>
> What would be cool is if you could put a lock on their mail box so that
> when they open up Outlook there is an administrative message staring
> them in the face. Before they could open any email they would have to
> click OK and then retype what the administrative message was in a box
> exactly as it was. If they don't get it right, they are prompted again.
> If a new virus goes around the admin could put a lock on all mailboxes
> until they perform those steps.
>
> Kind like yelling at your kids. You tell them something and then you
> make them repeat it back to you so that you realize they heard what you
> said.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>
>
> Users will open anything regardless of what you say.
> I remember ILOVEYOU, and a user. I had sent out emails all day long
> warning about this virus that had penetrated to a few machines before we
> had the DAT file for it. Anyhow, after an email an hour all day, I was
> talking to this guy about it at his desk. As I am talking, he is looking
> at mail and opens it right then! He had a laptop, and I ripped the
> PCCard NIC out, but too late. He just stood there and stared at me, as I
> turned and ran for my servers. Too late.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Carlson
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:45 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>
>
> Yes you should and you do. Edit the registry.
>
> No reason to blame MS for stupid people that open every
> "clickmetof*ckupyourcomputer.exe" they get in an email.
>
> When are people going to take responsibility for stupid stuff they do
> and their own incompetence.
>
> If you don't know how to drive are you going to blame the person that
> runs into you? If you don't know how to use a shotgun are going to blame
> the person who sold you the gun when you blow your arm off?
>
> I am amazed all the time when we get new hires, that cant barely survive
> without a sign on their desk reminding them to inhale and exhale
> otherwise they will die, and throw them in front of a computer and they
> have no clue. We had to send a tech down to help a person log into their
> computer. They didn't know how to press CTRL+ALT+DEL. The keyboard had
> CTL instead of CTRL on the key.
>
> Or the other fabulous ones that reboot their computer and call us saying
> their hard drive crashed when all they did was leave a non-bootable
> floppy disk in the drive.
>
> People need to take responsibility and face up to the fact that they are
> computer illiterate or just plain dense when it comes to some of this
> stuff.
>
> Because people think they are computer geniuses even though they
> couldn't tell the difference between \ and / companies like Microsoft
> have to put in their application things like this patch.
>
> My wife is a prime example. She will be the first to admint she doesn't
> know anything about computers ecept for the applications that she uses
> all the time. If I am logged into my computer and she needs it, she logs
> into her own account because I have setup her account so that she cant
> do any damage to the computer.
>
> Don't blame MS. They are just responding to all the cra

RE: OWA 5.5

2001-11-09 Thread Andrew Chan

Er...iirc, that can NOT be done.  

Andrew,
MCSE (NT & W2K) + CCNA


-Original Message-
From: George Vijay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:41 PM
Posted To: NewsgroupDiscussion
Conversation: OWA 5.5
Subject: OWA 5.5


Dear All,

I wanted to have OWA5.5 for Exchange 2000 BE server. Can anyone advice
me how can I acheive this?

George Vijay

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