RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Sander Van Butzelaar
Lol!

Oh, by the way, for more info on your Goatse follow the link below. But
you really shouldn't have posted this to the list. You could have send
it direct if you feel that strong about it.

http://www.dangerz.net/gatasa/article.shtml

Anyway, we all live and learn.

Cheers

Sander

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: 24 October 2002 08:57
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

Why would anyone need to win friends over the internet. Oh no my
interweb feelings are hurt, oh dear god my interweb life is ruined

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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Sander Van
Butzelaar
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:51 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


May I recommend the following literature by Dale Carnegie..:-)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671723650/qid=1035442040/
sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6532048-4852914?v=glance 

(Link wraps)

Cheers

Sander

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: 24 October 2002 08:15
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

The prophet of http://www.goatse.cx/hello.jpg

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Hummert, you incompetent little piece of pond scum, did it occur to you
to actually run a "real" google search, such as "rbl email definition"?
Comes up on the first page you arrogant little pillow muncher.  See? You
want to throw shit around on the list?  There's plenty of folk that can
come on out and party, you lobotomised little wanker.

For the record - I _know_ what Scharff's contribution to life the
universe and everything is.  You?  Other than being one of the current
poster children of prophylactia (along with Precht), exactly what is
your function in the messaging universe?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place 
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more

> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to 
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> >

RE: email to a public folder only - no cut/paste/posting

2002-10-24 Thread Exchange.ListServe

Yes, use the public folder's SMTP address.

Jon


-Original Message-
From: Uso [mailto:usofwd@;gmx.net]
Sent: 22 October 2002 08:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: email to a public folder only - no cut/paste/posting


Hi,

is it possible to allow users to send messages to a public folder only by
email and not allow them to post directly into that folder (or cut/paste)?
This is regarding Exchange 5.5.

Uso


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SP3

2002-10-24 Thread Kim Schotanus
Does SP 3 for E2K replace 1 and 2 or do I have to install them first?

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EXMerge

2002-10-24 Thread Niki Blowfield - Exchange
Is Exmerge for 5.5 downloadable from anywhere? Or only from the Reskit
(which we don't have)

Thanks

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RE: SP3

2002-10-24 Thread Rob Hackney
Before you get shot down in flames by someone else ;-), sp3 is
cumulative I believe so no need to install the others.
Rob

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Sent: 24 October 2002 10:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SP3


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RE: SP3

2002-10-24 Thread Kim Schotanus
thanks

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Sent: 24 October, 2002 11:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: SP3


Before you get shot down in flames by someone else ;-), sp3 is
cumulative I believe so no need to install the others.
Rob

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RE: EXMerge

2002-10-24 Thread Niki Blowfield - Exchange
Ok, I've found it on ftppss.microsoft.com

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From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange 
Sent: 24 October 2002 10:53
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: EXMerge


Is Exmerge for 5.5 downloadable from anywhere? Or only from the Reskit
(which we don't have)

Thanks

Nik

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Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread Greg Heywood
Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do NOT use a virus
protection product that links into exchange? Instead relying on desktop av?

Cheers

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Mailbox 'disappeared'

2002-10-24 Thread Niki Blowfield - Exchange
Dear All,

We have an Exchange installation of a few servers, seperated by ADSL

We are currently reviewing the setup to move everyone to a central server,
and have everyone working offline

One server does not communicate with the central server at all at the
moment, and I havent been able to ascertain why, but we have continued to
let them operate on their own sending messages to each other until we are
ready to move everyone to the central server.

I created a mailbox on the problem server, and its been used fine. It is not
accessible from any of the other servers as the changes don't seem to have
replicated across.

Today, that server had to be rebooted, and that mailbox has disappeared. The
list of recipients on that server now resembles the list that the other
servers hold, i.e. without this new mailbox. However, the user and their
store is still listed under "Private Information Store \ Mailbox Resources"

The mailbox has been used for a couple of weeks, and so has quite a lot of
info in it. I've tried exmerge which fails and gives the following error,
although it doesn allow me to select the problem mailbox;


Microsoft Exchange Mailbox Merge Program, v3.71.001
Start Logging:October 24, 2002   10:53:53

[10:53:53] Logging Level: None
[10:53:53] Reading settings from file 'C:\exmerge\EXMERGE.INI'.
[10:53:53] Reading list of subjects for messages to be selected from file ''
[10:53:53] Reading list of attachment names for messages to be selected from
file ''
[10:53:53] List of folders to be ignored has been read. 0 folders in the
list.
[10:54:53] Using attribute 'PR_MESSAGE_DELIVERY_TIME' for date operations.
[10:54:53] Merging data into target store. The program will copy only those
messages that do not exist in the target store.
[10:54:53] Associated folder data will be copied to the target store.
[10:54:53] Copying data from mailbox 'Employee Name' ('ENAME') on Server
'SERVERNAME' to file 'C:\EXMERGEDATA\ENAME.PST'.
[10:54:54] Error configuring message service (MSEMS) (UNKNOWN ERROR)
(CMapiSession::CreateEMSPSTProfile)
[10:54:54] Errors encountered. Copy process aborted.
[10:54:54] Number of items copied from the source store for all mailboxes
processed: 0
[10:54:54] 0 mailboxes successfully processed. 1 mailboxes were not
successfully processed. 0 non-fatal errors encountered.
[10:54:54] Process completion time: 00:00:00 

Servers are all 5.5 sp3

Backup is not a good option for me, as Veritas seems to want to just
overwrite the existing installation, rather than let me restore the IS to
another location.

Any thoughts? Help !

Nik

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RE: Mailbox 'disappeared'

2002-10-24 Thread Niki Blowfield - Exchange
*error*

"I've tried exmerge which fails and gives the following error, although it
doesn allow me to select the problem mailbox;"

Should read

"I've tried exmerge which fails and gives the following error, although it
**does** allow me to select the problem mailbox;"


-Original Message-
From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange 
Sent: 24 October 2002 11:17
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mailbox 'disappeared'


Dear All,

We have an Exchange installation of a few servers, seperated by ADSL

We are currently reviewing the setup to move everyone to a central server,
and have everyone working offline

One server does not communicate with the central server at all at the
moment, and I havent been able to ascertain why, but we have continued to
let them operate on their own sending messages to each other until we are
ready to move everyone to the central server.

I created a mailbox on the problem server, and its been used fine. It is not
accessible from any of the other servers as the changes don't seem to have
replicated across.

Today, that server had to be rebooted, and that mailbox has disappeared. The
list of recipients on that server now resembles the list that the other
servers hold, i.e. without this new mailbox. However, the user and their
store is still listed under "Private Information Store \ Mailbox Resources"

The mailbox has been used for a couple of weeks, and so has quite a lot of
info in it. I've tried exmerge which fails and gives the following error,
although it doesn allow me to select the problem mailbox;


Microsoft Exchange Mailbox Merge Program, v3.71.001
Start Logging:October 24, 2002   10:53:53

[10:53:53] Logging Level: None
[10:53:53] Reading settings from file 'C:\exmerge\EXMERGE.INI'. [10:53:53]
Reading list of subjects for messages to be selected from file '' [10:53:53]
Reading list of attachment names for messages to be selected from file ''
[10:53:53] List of folders to be ignored has been read. 0 folders in the
list. [10:54:53] Using attribute 'PR_MESSAGE_DELIVERY_TIME' for date
operations. [10:54:53] Merging data into target store. The program will copy
only those messages that do not exist in the target store. [10:54:53]
Associated folder data will be copied to the target store. [10:54:53]
Copying data from mailbox 'Employee Name' ('ENAME') on Server 'SERVERNAME'
to file 'C:\EXMERGEDATA\ENAME.PST'. [10:54:54] Error configuring message
service (MSEMS) (UNKNOWN ERROR)
(CMapiSession::CreateEMSPSTProfile)
[10:54:54] Errors encountered. Copy process aborted.
[10:54:54] Number of items copied from the source store for all mailboxes
processed: 0
[10:54:54] 0 mailboxes successfully processed. 1 mailboxes were not
successfully processed. 0 non-fatal errors encountered. [10:54:54] Process
completion time: 00:00:00 

Servers are all 5.5 sp3

Backup is not a good option for me, as Veritas seems to want to just
overwrite the existing installation, rather than let me restore the IS to
another location.

Any thoughts? Help !

Nik

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RE: EXMerge

2002-10-24 Thread William Lefkovics
It's also available within the zipped tool Microsoft provided for the
iloveyou virus awhile back.

William 
 


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[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield
- Exchange
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: EXMerge


Ok, I've found it on ftppss.microsoft.com

-Original Message-
From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange 
Sent: 24 October 2002 10:53
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: EXMerge


Is Exmerge for 5.5 downloadable from anywhere? Or only from the Reskit
(which we don't have)

Thanks

Nik

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RE: Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread William Lefkovics
Heck ya!  Lots.

William 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Greg Heywood
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Viruses via email


Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do NOT use a
virus
protection product that links into exchange? Instead relying on desktop
av?

Cheers

Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
www.ipplc.com
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RE: Mailbox 'disappeared'

2002-10-24 Thread Jeffrey A. Beckham
Run the DS/IS consistency adjuster on that server.  Select the first
check box at the top and select all inconsistencies at the bottom.  Do
NOT touch anything to do with the public folders.  This should recreate
the directory object for the mailbox listed in the information store.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange [mailto:exchangelist@;partition.co.uk] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:17 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Mailbox 'disappeared'
Subject: Mailbox 'disappeared'

Dear All,

We have an Exchange installation of a few servers, seperated by ADSL

We are currently reviewing the setup to move everyone to a central
server,
and have everyone working offline

One server does not communicate with the central server at all at the
moment, and I havent been able to ascertain why, but we have continued
to
let them operate on their own sending messages to each other until we
are
ready to move everyone to the central server.

I created a mailbox on the problem server, and its been used fine. It is
not
accessible from any of the other servers as the changes don't seem to
have
replicated across.

Today, that server had to be rebooted, and that mailbox has disappeared.
The
list of recipients on that server now resembles the list that the other
servers hold, i.e. without this new mailbox. However, the user and their
store is still listed under "Private Information Store \ Mailbox
Resources"

The mailbox has been used for a couple of weeks, and so has quite a lot
of
info in it. I've tried exmerge which fails and gives the following
error,
although it doesn allow me to select the problem mailbox;


Microsoft Exchange Mailbox Merge Program, v3.71.001
Start Logging:October 24, 2002   10:53:53

[10:53:53] Logging Level: None
[10:53:53] Reading settings from file 'C:\exmerge\EXMERGE.INI'.
[10:53:53] Reading list of subjects for messages to be selected from
file ''
[10:53:53] Reading list of attachment names for messages to be selected
from
file ''
[10:53:53] List of folders to be ignored has been read. 0 folders in the
list.
[10:54:53] Using attribute 'PR_MESSAGE_DELIVERY_TIME' for date
operations.
[10:54:53] Merging data into target store. The program will copy only
those
messages that do not exist in the target store.
[10:54:53] Associated folder data will be copied to the target store.
[10:54:53] Copying data from mailbox 'Employee Name' ('ENAME') on Server
'SERVERNAME' to file 'C:\EXMERGEDATA\ENAME.PST'.
[10:54:54] Error configuring message service (MSEMS) (UNKNOWN ERROR)
(CMapiSession::CreateEMSPSTProfile)
[10:54:54] Errors encountered. Copy process aborted.
[10:54:54] Number of items copied from the source store for all
mailboxes
processed: 0
[10:54:54] 0 mailboxes successfully processed. 1 mailboxes were not
successfully processed. 0 non-fatal errors encountered.
[10:54:54] Process completion time: 00:00:00 

Servers are all 5.5 sp3

Backup is not a good option for me, as Veritas seems to want to just
overwrite the existing installation, rather than let me restore the IS
to
another location.

Any thoughts? Help !

Nik

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Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations

2002-10-24 Thread l . greig
Hello -

[NT4 Server SP6a, Exchange enterprise 5.5 SP4]

Has anyone used and compared Exchange anti-virus products that employ
different scanning methods, e.g. MAPI/VSAPI/ESE? I'm curious about the
performance differences between the implementations.

We're currently using a VSAPI-based product and the performance is pretty
dreadful - loads of archiving/synchronization errors and people with
incomplete offline mailbox replicas. The anti-virus software is patched and
up-to-date and we've adjusted the "OpenRetryDelay" several times, to no
avail. The server hosts about 120 active mailboxes - some pretty big - but
the store databases have a dedicated 6-drive, ultra 160 SCSI, raid 5 volume.
The transaction logs are on a different volume. PRIV.EDB is currently about
45GB in size and the problem affects every user on the server.

I just wondered if there were any outright conclusions that favoured one
approach or product over the others. Also, I'd be interested if anyone can
confirm that the VSAPI interface builds a single, potentially long queue of
attachments to be scanned, introducing a bottleneck ?

Thanks,

Loftus Greig

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RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
I don't think this or any other tech related list is hostile towards 
newcomers. On Linux related lists (about 98% of all lists I'm subscribed 
to) it's usually enough to tell what you did to solve your problem. Explain 
you did search the archives, used google, searched the M$ KB (for M$ 
related topics) and you really did what you could to find information.
Seriously, a question with detailed information and showing you did your 
best to solve your problem is getting a better answer then one showing you 
didn't do a thing.
Remember.. it's mostly your problem and you search for help from other 
admins who don't get any payment.
Nobody should feel offended if the answer is just a link to the information 
you're looking for.

Read the following information. It's written by a guy who codes on Linux.. 
but this information is also interesting for others.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I think I saw it in another reply too.

Just my EUR 0,02

Bye,



B.


At 01:34 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only
after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute drivel (kind
of like the last 10 or so).
I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am
absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I simply have
to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. Its almost
as bad as spam to be quite honest.
Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and
therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of an Exchange
Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that
every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and farts Exchange
Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love
that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of
other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
I spend a great deal of time with TechNet and the Knowledgebase as well
as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very
thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know something
that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very limited or in
poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these
lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in the know and
who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions.
I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative and hostile
toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a bother, then
just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about your lives
without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through.
I wish this post could have had some meaningful question that couldn't
be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had
contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the
bickering - please stop.


SNIPPING a low of stuff.


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RE: Mailbox 'disappeared'

2002-10-24 Thread Niki Blowfield - Exchange
Jeff, 

You're a star, and I owe you a pint

:o)

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey A. Beckham [mailto:Jeffrey@;allfiguredout.com] 
Sent: 24 October 2002 11:33
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mailbox 'disappeared'


Run the DS/IS consistency adjuster on that server.  Select the first check
box at the top and select all inconsistencies at the bottom.  Do NOT touch
anything to do with the public folders.  This should recreate the directory
object for the mailbox listed in the information store.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange [mailto:exchangelist@;partition.co.uk] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:17 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Mailbox 'disappeared'
Subject: Mailbox 'disappeared'

Dear All,

We have an Exchange installation of a few servers, seperated by ADSL

We are currently reviewing the setup to move everyone to a central server,
and have everyone working offline

One server does not communicate with the central server at all at the
moment, and I havent been able to ascertain why, but we have continued to
let them operate on their own sending messages to each other until we are
ready to move everyone to the central server.

I created a mailbox on the problem server, and its been used fine. It is not
accessible from any of the other servers as the changes don't seem to have
replicated across.

Today, that server had to be rebooted, and that mailbox has disappeared. The
list of recipients on that server now resembles the list that the other
servers hold, i.e. without this new mailbox. However, the user and their
store is still listed under "Private Information Store \ Mailbox Resources"

The mailbox has been used for a couple of weeks, and so has quite a lot of
info in it. I've tried exmerge which fails and gives the following error,
although it doesn allow me to select the problem mailbox;


Microsoft Exchange Mailbox Merge Program, v3.71.001
Start Logging:October 24, 2002   10:53:53

[10:53:53] Logging Level: None
[10:53:53] Reading settings from file 'C:\exmerge\EXMERGE.INI'. [10:53:53]
Reading list of subjects for messages to be selected from file '' [10:53:53]
Reading list of attachment names for messages to be selected from file ''
[10:53:53] List of folders to be ignored has been read. 0 folders in the
list. [10:54:53] Using attribute 'PR_MESSAGE_DELIVERY_TIME' for date
operations. [10:54:53] Merging data into target store. The program will copy
only those messages that do not exist in the target store. [10:54:53]
Associated folder data will be copied to the target store. [10:54:53]
Copying data from mailbox 'Employee Name' ('ENAME') on Server 'SERVERNAME'
to file 'C:\EXMERGEDATA\ENAME.PST'. [10:54:54] Error configuring message
service (MSEMS) (UNKNOWN ERROR)
(CMapiSession::CreateEMSPSTProfile)
[10:54:54] Errors encountered. Copy process aborted.
[10:54:54] Number of items copied from the source store for all mailboxes
processed: 0
[10:54:54] 0 mailboxes successfully processed. 1 mailboxes were not
successfully processed. 0 non-fatal errors encountered. [10:54:54] Process
completion time: 00:00:00 

Servers are all 5.5 sp3

Backup is not a good option for me, as Veritas seems to want to just
overwrite the existing installation, rather than let me restore the IS to
another location.

Any thoughts? Help !

Nik

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Outlook Rules

2002-10-24 Thread David McSpadden
I have an Exchange 5.5 sp4 w/IMS running on NT 4.0 sp6a.
My email client is Outlook 2000 on a WinXPsp1.
 I am trying to set up a rule that will forward an email sent to me.
I can manually forward the incoming email from X. to Y.
 But when I set up the rule it does nothing.  The X is in my Recepients
the Y  is in my personal contacts.  When I am manually forwarding it I
select
it from my contacts.  When I am setting up my rule I select it from my
 contacts.  I don't see any obvious errors but it still doesn't work.
Can anyone explain to me why the rule wouldn't work if manually
forwarding does???


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RE: Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations

2002-10-24 Thread Martin Blackstone
Are you by chance using Norton?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:l.greig@;searchspace.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:38 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations


Hello -

[NT4 Server SP6a, Exchange enterprise 5.5 SP4]

Has anyone used and compared Exchange anti-virus products that employ
different scanning methods, e.g. MAPI/VSAPI/ESE? I'm curious about the
performance differences between the implementations.

We're currently using a VSAPI-based product and the performance is pretty
dreadful - loads of archiving/synchronization errors and people with
incomplete offline mailbox replicas. The anti-virus software is patched and
up-to-date and we've adjusted the "OpenRetryDelay" several times, to no
avail. The server hosts about 120 active mailboxes - some pretty big - but
the store databases have a dedicated 6-drive, ultra 160 SCSI, raid 5 volume.
The transaction logs are on a different volume. PRIV.EDB is currently about
45GB in size and the problem affects every user on the server.

I just wondered if there were any outright conclusions that favoured one
approach or product over the others. Also, I'd be interested if anyone can
confirm that the VSAPI interface builds a single, potentially long queue of
attachments to be scanned, introducing a bottleneck ?

Thanks,

Loftus Greig

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RE: Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations

2002-10-24 Thread l . greig
No. InoculateIT 6.

Cheers,

Loftus Greig.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 24 October 2002 12:52
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations


Are you by chance using Norton?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:l.greig@;searchspace.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:38 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations


Hello -

[NT4 Server SP6a, Exchange enterprise 5.5 SP4]

Has anyone used and compared Exchange anti-virus products that employ
different scanning methods, e.g. MAPI/VSAPI/ESE? I'm curious about the
performance differences between the implementations.

We're currently using a VSAPI-based product and the performance is pretty
dreadful - loads of archiving/synchronization errors and people with
incomplete offline mailbox replicas. The anti-virus software is patched and
up-to-date and we've adjusted the "OpenRetryDelay" several times, to no
avail. The server hosts about 120 active mailboxes - some pretty big - but
the store databases have a dedicated 6-drive, ultra 160 SCSI, raid 5 volume.
The transaction logs are on a different volume. PRIV.EDB is currently about
45GB in size and the problem affects every user on the server.

I just wondered if there were any outright conclusions that favoured one
approach or product over the others. Also, I'd be interested if anyone can
confirm that the VSAPI interface builds a single, potentially long queue of
attachments to be scanned, introducing a bottleneck ?

Thanks,

Loftus Greig

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RE: Outlook Rules

2002-10-24 Thread Daniel Chenault
Is the client running?

-Original Message-
From: David McSpadden [mailto:davidm@;imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook Rules


I have an Exchange 5.5 sp4 w/IMS running on NT 4.0 sp6a.
My email client is Outlook 2000 on a WinXPsp1.
 I am trying to set up a rule that will forward an email sent to me. I can
manually forward the incoming email from X. to Y.  But when I set up the
rule it does nothing.  The X is in my Recepients the Y  is in my personal
contacts.  When I am manually forwarding it I select it from my contacts.
When I am setting up my rule I select it from my  contacts.  I don't see any
obvious errors but it still doesn't work. Can anyone explain to me why the
rule wouldn't work if manually forwarding does???


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RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread Daniel Chenault
Here we go again... About every six months someone gets on a similar rant.


-Original Message-
From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:jhague@;rmc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it


I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only after
deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute drivel (kind of like
the last 10 or so). I have only been subscribed for a little over a month
and I am absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I simply
have to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. Its almost
as bad as spam to be quite honest. Many of you seem to think that every
answer has been answered and therefore every single person within a few
hundred yards of an Exchange Server should already know that answer. You
also seem to assume that every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes
and farts Exchange Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence
I would love that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire
network of other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. I spend a great
deal of time with TechNet and the Knowledgebase as well as their equivalents
from other companies. I also read a lot of very thick (and very droll) books
but quite often, I need to know something that isn't necessarily in a book
or is explained in very limited or in poor detail by the vendor responsible.
That is when I turn to these lists and hope to learn something from those of
you who in the know and who are gracious enough to spend your time answering
questions. I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative and
hostile toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a bother,
then just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about your lives
without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through. I wish
this post could have had some meaningful question that couldn't be answered
by the great and powerful google.com or that it had contained an answer as
worthy but I'm really getting tired of the bickering - please stop.

Jeff Hague
MCSE, MCT
Network Manger
Randolph-Macon College
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (That's right Ed - I'm "from a .edu").


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

Believe me on this: I very much appreciate it that you read this list. Not
everyone does.  For example, we get this guy who has popped in every month
or so for the past five or more years to ask questions that have been hashed
out dozens of times in excruciating detail.  You'd think that after five
years he'd have learned the basics from this list.  "But Noo!", to quote
John Belushi.  So please understand that I very much respect those who learn
something here.  Learning new stuff is one of the primary reasons I stay
here--that and the occasional chance to fan a flame war.

(This guy's from a .edu, the one that has the domain name that my alma
mater, berkeley.edu, should by all rights have.  I'm not too worried about
him seeing this since he obviously never reads the list except to scan for a
reply to his query.)

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Householder
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Typically I just sit here and read the posts and I have to admit I've learn
a lot from the discussions. I can tell there are some experienced Admins
here too, but there are some of us that work for smaller companies and we
don't have the time to learn everything there is to know about Exchange
administration.  I consider myself a pretty good admin.  I may not know
everything there is to know about Exchange Administration, but I know where
the knowledge bases and these kind of discussion lists are.  
 
A lot of us are trying to learn to be good Email Admins.  I admit that there
are some pretty bad questions that come across this list.
 
I've said my two cents..  I don't care if anyone likes it or doesn't.  I
remember just getting into Exchange and trying to make sure I did everything
just right so it didn't cause me serious headaches down the road.
 
Thanks for listening..

Greg Householder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:mhutchins@;amr-corp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

Well, it has been my experience that over 35% of the questions asked have
been answered with something like the following, which tells me there are
people that REFUSE to do ANY research before posting..

I myself think it is getting old..

EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL ANSWERS:


Search technet for "open relay exchange 2000", fol

RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
More likely a combination of b) and a fundamental lack of understanding of
how the RBL they have chosen works with regards to managing their black hole
lists. Purusal of the archives with regards to Mr. Schwartz and Dr. Cumming
about this time last year should provide some valuable insight to the issues
with RBLs in general.

That being said, I'm fairly impressed with the Spamcop.net RBL - they
provide documentation of their blocked senders via the web, and are very
quick to retest and remove if the problem has been solved.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:16 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> That's a little harsh. (I love it when you're harsh...)
> 
> Do you mean they are not aware of it, or they are unable to comprehend
> its functionality?
> 
> William  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an 
> RBL actually
> is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties 
> to provide
> the
> functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you in 
> phoning stupid
> admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their company business.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night 
> > and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> > about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: client connection question

2002-10-24 Thread Daniel Chenault
Yes and no. Only one mailbox can be the primary.

-Original Message-
From: Hatley, Ken [mailto:Ken.Hatley@;bankofamerica.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: client connection question


Is it possible to set up Outlook to connect to two different mailboxes in
different Orgs at the same time?  I need to be able to switch back and forth
and it is a pain to have to change the profile each timeor maybe a
utility to change on the fly.

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Re: Outlook Rules

2002-10-24 Thread David McSpadden
Outlook 2000.  Yes it can be.
- Original Message -
From: "Daniel Chenault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: Outlook Rules


> Is the client running?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David McSpadden [mailto:davidm@;imcu.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:30 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook Rules
>
>
> I have an Exchange 5.5 sp4 w/IMS running on NT 4.0 sp6a.
> My email client is Outlook 2000 on a WinXPsp1.
>  I am trying to set up a rule that will forward an email sent to me. I can
> manually forward the incoming email from X. to Y.  But when I set up the
> rule it does nothing.  The X is in my Recepients the Y  is in my personal
> contacts.  When I am manually forwarding it I select it from my contacts.
> When I am setting up my rule I select it from my  contacts.  I don't see
any
> obvious errors but it still doesn't work. Can anyone explain to me why the
> rule wouldn't work if manually forwarding does???
>
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Mebbe its time for some remedial search engine lessons?

Using "RBL" as the search.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=rbl
First response is "MAPS Realtime Blackhole List", with a total of 175,000
results returned.

Your little erotica stuff is 4th on the list.

Now, since we're talking email, a reasonably intelligent person might make
the assumption that the search term should be:
"rbl email" or "rbl e-mail"

The former terms take it down to 28,500 results, and within the top 5 is one
called "RBL - Power Without Accountability"

The latter returns 23,300 results, the first being "Mail Abuse Prevention
System LLC"

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a 
> time, on a
> web page
> far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers 
> of romance.
> ... 
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF 
> RIGHTEOUS ASS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> > and isn't a spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the 
> > movie rental place last week? Those are just some of the 
> > wonderful people who report to and maintain various RBLs. And 
> > you're going to block what may be a critical sales order or 
> > customer service request based on their say so?
> > 
> > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> > leave more than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes 
> > more than a nice to have for a business, RBLs become a 
> > potential liability. An admin who knows what they are doing, 
> > combined with software which doesn't completely suck might be 
> > able to use them to some level of positive effect, but that'd 
> > be the exception rather than the rule.
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok please explain.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 
> > 3rd parties
> > > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> > join you
> > > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is 
> costing their
> > > company business.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > > EMS Sales Engineer
> > > MessageOne
> > > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> > night and the
> > > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly"
> > > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > > 
> > > > Darcy
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> > 
> > _
> > List posting FAQ:   http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
> > Archives:   http://www.swynk.com/sit

RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Good question - maybe Google customizes responses based on the relative
intelligence of the person performing the query. Going on that assumption,
its no surprise to me that I received the same first result as Mr. Scharff,
as I've long known my intelligence level was closer to his than yours. Good
call.

Roger
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. Second why
> should I have to show my work to you before I post a message to the
> list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and the MS KB before 
> they post a
> question? The only one that's an idiot is the one that makes
> assumptions.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/.
> Seems like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail.
> I'm not a fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched
> google first then show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding
> history of posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you
> (collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response below, my
> assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was more or less spot
> on. 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> > RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> > RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a
> > time, on a web page far, far away, there was a place made 
> > especially for lovers of romance. ... 
> > Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> > Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance 
> > www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> > 
> > I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF
> > RIGHTEOUS ASS
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > www.google.com?
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> > and isn't a
> > > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie
> > rental place
> > > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who
> > report to
> > > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a
> > > critical sales order or customer service request based on 
> their say 
> > > so?
> > > 
> > > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> > leave more
> > > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than
> > a nice to
> > > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An
> > admin who
> > > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
> > > completely suck might be able to use them to some level 
> of positive 
> > > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ok please explain.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Chris Scharff
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> > > 3rd parties
> > > > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> > > join you
> > > > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is
> > costing their
> > > > company busi

RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
And Martin knows all about relaying.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Coppini [mailto:andreacoppini@;iwg.info] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:08 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Relaying Black List I guess
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone@;superioraccess.com] 
> Sent: 24 October 2002 1:54 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> I am sick and didn't shower today. Does that mean I cant post?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David N. Precht [mailto:discussions@;entrysecurity.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Let's keep it clean, shall we?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Hummert
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a 
> time, on a
> web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for 
> lovers of
> romance. ... 
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF 
> RIGHTEOUS ASS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is 
> and isn't a
> 
> > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie 
> rental place 
> > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who 
> report to 
> > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> > critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> > so?
> > 
> > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they 
> leave more
> 
> > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than 
> a nice to 
> > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An 
> admin who 
> > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> > completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok please explain.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> > 3rd parties
> > > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> > join you
> > > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is 
> costing their 
> > > company business.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > > EMS Sales Engineer
> > > MessageOne
> > > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> > night and the
> > > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about 
> possibly" 
> > > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > > 
> > > > Darcy
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> > 
> > 

RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread Gregory Householder
Well put Jeff.  You hit all the points that I didn't.

Greg Householder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:jhague@;rmc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only
after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute drivel (kind
of like the last 10 or so).
I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am
absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I simply have
to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. Its almost
as bad as spam to be quite honest.
Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and
therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of an Exchange
Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that
every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and farts Exchange
Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love
that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of
other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
I spend a great deal of time with TechNet and the Knowledgebase as well
as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very
thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know something
that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very limited or in
poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these
lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in the know and
who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions.
I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative and hostile
toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a bother, then
just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about your lives
without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through.
I wish this post could have had some meaningful question that couldn't
be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had
contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the
bickering - please stop.

Jeff Hague
MCSE, MCT
Network Manger
Randolph-Macon College
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (That's right Ed - I'm "from a .edu").


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

Believe me on this: I very much appreciate it that you read this list.
Not everyone does.  For example, we get this guy who has popped in every
month or so for the past five or more years to ask questions that have
been hashed out dozens of times in excruciating detail.  You'd think
that after five years he'd have learned the basics from this list.  "But
Noo!", to quote John Belushi.  So please understand that I very much
respect those who learn something here.  Learning new stuff is one of
the primary reasons I stay here--that and the occasional chance to fan a
flame war.

(This guy's from a .edu, the one that has the domain name that my alma
mater, berkeley.edu, should by all rights have.  I'm not too worried
about him seeing this since he obviously never reads the list except to
scan for a reply to his query.)

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Gregory
Householder
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Typically I just sit here and read the posts and I have to admit I've
learn a lot from the discussions. I can tell there are some experienced
Admins here too, but there are some of us that work for smaller
companies and we don't have the time to learn everything there is to
know about Exchange administration.  I consider myself a pretty good
admin.  I may not know everything there is to know about Exchange
Administration, but I know where the knowledge bases and these kind of
discussion lists are.  
 
A lot of us are trying to learn to be good Email Admins.  I admit that
there are some pretty bad questions that come across this list.
 
I've said my two cents..  I don't care if anyone likes it or doesn't.  I
remember just getting into Exchange and trying to make sure I did
everything just right so it didn't cause me serious headaches down the
road.
 
Thanks for listening..

Greg Householder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:mhutchins@;amr-corp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

Well, it has been my experience that over 35% of the questions asked
have been answered with something like the following, which tells me
there are people that REFUSE to do ANY research before posting..

I myself think it is getting old..

EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL ANSWERS:


Search technet for "open relay exchang

RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Actually, what's more important than knowning the answers off the top of
your head is knowing how to find the answers. That's a big part of the
reason there are a number of people on this list who answer many more
questions than they ask.

That being said, the best discussions that I've seen on this list over the
years have come from the questions in which the basics have been tried, and
failed.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Gregory Householder [mailto:ghouseholder@;bdi.cc] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Typically I just sit here and read the posts and I have to admit I've
> learn a lot from the discussions. I can tell there are some 
> experienced
> Admins here too, but there are some of us that work for smaller
> companies and we don't have the time to learn everything there is to
> know about Exchange administration.  I consider myself a pretty good
> admin.  I may not know everything there is to know about Exchange
> Administration, but I know where the knowledge bases and these kind of
> discussion lists are.  
>  
> A lot of us are trying to learn to be good Email Admins.  I admit that
> there are some pretty bad questions that come across this list.
>  
> I've said my two cents..  I don't care if anyone likes it or 
> doesn't.  I
> remember just getting into Exchange and trying to make sure I did
> everything just right so it didn't cause me serious headaches down the
> road.
>  
> Thanks for listening..
> 
> Greg Householder
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -Original Message-
> From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:mhutchins@;amr-corp.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:43 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> Well, it has been my experience that over 35% of the questions asked
> have been answered with something like the following, which tells me
> there are people that REFUSE to do ANY research before posting..
> 
> I myself think it is getting old..
> 
> EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL ANSWERS:
> 
> 
> Search technet for "open relay exchange 2000", follow the 
> directions and
> make sure you aren't an open relay when you get it working.  
> My guess is
> that your server will be an open relay after reading some of the
> previous posts.
> 
> 
> 
> I assume your talking about incoming mail.
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q324021
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You should either reconsider your decision to have port 137 opened or
> install the latest Microsoft Security patch:
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tec
> hnet/secur
> ity/bulletin/MS02-045.asp
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. Second why
> should I have to show my work to you before I post a message to the
> list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and the MS KB before 
> they post a
> question? The only one that's an idiot is the one that makes
> assumptions.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/.
> Seems like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail.
> I'm not a fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched
> google first then show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding
> history of posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you
> (collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response below, my
> assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was more or less spot
> on. 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> > RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> > RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon 
> a time, on 
> > a web page far, far away, there was a place made especially 
> for lovers
> 
> > of romance. ...
> > Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> > Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> > www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> > 
> > I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF 
> RIGHTEOUS 
> > ASS
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's

RE: Exchange a little slow but not for everyone

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
What have you done to fix it?

What's changed lately?

Has it always done this?

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Sr. Systems Administrator
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> -Original Message-
> From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:jmorgan@;Profit-Lab.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:23 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Exchange a little slow but not for everyone
> 
> 
> Hello all, here is my issue, I have several users who are experiencing
> extreme slow downs with exchange, like 20 seconds to open an 
> e-mail without
> an attachment.
> Currently everyone is running 
> Windows XP and Office 2000
> Server is Exchange 5.5 SP4 Running on a Windows 2000 Server with SP3
> 
> Its got me stumped because some people do not have any problems...
> 
> Any Help Appreciated,
> Joshua
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joshua Morgan
> PROFITLAB
> Senior Network Engineer
> Phone: (864) 250-1350 Ext 133
> Cell: (864) 449-9912
> Fax: (413) 581-4936
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.profit-lab.com
> http://ncontrol.info
> 
> The greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up 
> every time we
> fall.
> -- Confucius
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RE: New SMTP address generation in 5.5

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
You have a few options.

First, export all users and import the new addresses in the
"Secondary-proxy-addresses" field.

Alternately, if all you want to do is receive, but not send, as those
addresses, you could set the IMS up to reroute all mail for domainb.com to
domaina.com - that is supposed to rewrite the address (much like a
virtusertable in sendmail). I recall playing with it and it working, but I'm
not 100% sure.

--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Winters [mailto:sean.winters@;ibertech.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: New SMTP address generation in 5.5
> 
> 
> We are adding a new email domain to our existing 5.5 org. What is the
> easiest way to automagically add the new "@newdomainname.org" to the
> existing users addresses? It looks like 2K has an address 
> generation tool
> for such things but I can't find anything for 5.5.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sean
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
She has to be to put up^H^H^H^H^Hlive with him.

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Sr. Systems Administrator
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Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:43 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Nor could I after meeting her. What an amazing woman.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Blackstone
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Sent: 10/23/2002 6:53 PM
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> My wife thought so. She couldn't wipe the smile off her face after
> meeting
> Sharff.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:10 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> His ass really is righteous.
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Because, unlike you, we're capable of quality social interaction. There is
no requirement for that to be in person, however.

--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Why would anyone need to win friends over the internet. Oh no my
> interweb feelings are hurt, oh dear god my interweb life is ruined
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Sander Van
> Butzelaar
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> May I recommend the following literature by Dale Carnegie..:-)
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671723650/qid=1
> 035442040/
> sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6532048-4852914?v=glance 
> 
> (Link wraps)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Sander
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: 24 October 2002 08:15
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> The prophet of http://www.goatse.cx/hello.jpg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:37 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Hummert, you incompetent little piece of pond scum, did it 
> occur to you
> to actually run a "real" google search, such as "rbl email 
> definition"?
> Comes up on the first page you arrogant little pillow 
> muncher.  See? You
> want to throw shit around on the list?  There's plenty of 
> folk that can
> come on out and party, you lobotomised little wanker.
> 
> For the record - I _know_ what Scharff's contribution to life the
> universe and everything is.  You?  Other than being one of the current
> poster children of prophylactia (along with Precht), exactly what is
> your function in the messaging universe?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a 
> time, on a
> web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for 
> lovers of
> romance. ... 
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF 
> RIGHTEOUS ASS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is 
> and isn't a
> 
> > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie 
> rental place 
> > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who 
> report to 
> > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> > critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> > so?
> > 
> > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they 
> leave more
> 
> > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than 
> a nice to 
> > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An 
> admin who 
> > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> > completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok please explain.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 97.25% of mail

RE: Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
I have seen people in the past post that they follow that methodology.
Personally, I find it foolish at best.

A quick scan of the update logs for our client side AV solution shows that
there are always out of date clients - generally probably on the order of
5-10%. Considering over half our workforce has laptops, that doesn't
surprise me.

I do find it surprising to think that people wouldn't feel uncomfortable at
best relying on something as distributed as client side AV protection, when
a relatively small number of boxes can be more easily managed, and more
easily forced to be current.

Not to say I don't run client side, but email AV belongs at the server leve.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:08 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Viruses via email
> 
> 
> Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do 
> NOT use a virus
> protection product that links into exchange? Instead relying 
> on desktop av?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Greg Heywood
> Technology Project Manager
> International Power PLC
> Phone +44 20 7320 8672
> Fax +44 20 7320 8725
> www.ipplc.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> **
> *
> Please note that neither International Power plc nor the 
> sender accepts any
> responsibility for any viruses that may be contained in this 
> e-mail or its
> attachments.  It is therefore your responsibility to ensure that your
> systems have adequate protection against virus infection.
> 
> The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for 
> the use of the
> intended recipient at the e-mail address to which it has been 
> addressed.  If
> the reader of this message is not an intended recipient, you 
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> notified that you have received this document in error and 
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RE: Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
I've been very impressed with the ESE based versions of Scanmail (3.80).
Rock solid, and fast as heck. Antigen performs similarly.

I am, however, very impressed with Trend's new SLA for premier customers -
they're guaranteeing a tested, functional pattern file within two hours of
their receipt of the virus.

--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:l.greig@;searchspace.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:38 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Exchange 5.5 Anti-Virus implementations
> 
> 
> Hello -
> 
> [NT4 Server SP6a, Exchange enterprise 5.5 SP4]
> 
> Has anyone used and compared Exchange anti-virus products that employ
> different scanning methods, e.g. MAPI/VSAPI/ESE? I'm curious about the
> performance differences between the implementations.
> 
> We're currently using a VSAPI-based product and the 
> performance is pretty
> dreadful - loads of archiving/synchronization errors and people with
> incomplete offline mailbox replicas. The anti-virus software 
> is patched and
> up-to-date and we've adjusted the "OpenRetryDelay" several 
> times, to no
> avail. The server hosts about 120 active mailboxes - some 
> pretty big - but
> the store databases have a dedicated 6-drive, ultra 160 SCSI, 
> raid 5 volume.
> The transaction logs are on a different volume. PRIV.EDB is 
> currently about
> 45GB in size and the problem affects every user on the server.
> 
> I just wondered if there were any outright conclusions that 
> favoured one
> approach or product over the others. Also, I'd be interested 
> if anyone can
> confirm that the VSAPI interface builds a single, potentially 
> long queue of
> attachments to be scanned, introducing a bottleneck ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Loftus Greig
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RE: Outlook Rules

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Chances are you have automatic forwarding to the internet disabled on your
IMS. That's a good thing.

If it needs to go to two addresses, use a DL pointing to your mailbox and to
a custom receipient with the foreign address.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: David McSpadden [mailto:davidm@;imcu.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:30 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook Rules
> 
> 
> I have an Exchange 5.5 sp4 w/IMS running on NT 4.0 sp6a.
> My email client is Outlook 2000 on a WinXPsp1.
>  I am trying to set up a rule that will forward an email sent to me.
> I can manually forward the incoming email from X. to Y.
>  But when I set up the rule it does nothing.  The X is in my 
> Recepients
> the Y  is in my personal contacts.  When I am manually forwarding it I
> select
> it from my contacts.  When I am setting up my rule I select it from my
>  contacts.  I don't see any obvious errors but it still doesn't work.
> Can anyone explain to me why the rule wouldn't work if manually
> forwarding does???
> 
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RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread Hague, Jeff
Absolutely - a reply with a link or just a single word is a wonderful
thing if it actually helps and folks should take some initiative on
their own.
I am only commenting on some of the posts that are downright rude and
uncalled for - the playful banter can be kind of interesting though. 

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

I don't think this or any other tech related list is hostile towards 
newcomers. On Linux related lists (about 98% of all lists I'm subscribed

to) it's usually enough to tell what you did to solve your problem.
Explain 
you did search the archives, used google, searched the M$ KB (for M$ 
related topics) and you really did what you could to find information.
Seriously, a question with detailed information and showing you did your

best to solve your problem is getting a better answer then one showing
you 
didn't do a thing.
Remember.. it's mostly your problem and you search for help from other 
admins who don't get any payment.
Nobody should feel offended if the answer is just a link to the
information 
you're looking for.

Read the following information. It's written by a guy who codes on
Linux.. 
but this information is also interesting for others.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I think I saw it in another reply too.

Just my EUR 0,02

Bye,



B.


At 01:34 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
>I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only
>after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute drivel (kind
>of like the last 10 or so).
>I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am
>absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I simply have
>to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. Its almost
>as bad as spam to be quite honest.
>Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and
>therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of an Exchange
>Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that
>every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and farts Exchange
>Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love
>that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of
>other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
>I spend a great deal of time with TechNet and the Knowledgebase as well
>as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very
>thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know something
>that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very limited or in
>poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these
>lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in the know and
>who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions.
>I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative and hostile
>toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a bother, then
>just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about your lives
>without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through.
>I wish this post could have had some meaningful question that couldn't
>be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had
>contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the
>bickering - please stop.

SNIPPING a low of stuff.


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RE: Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread Hague, Jeff
I know of several organizations who don't use an Exchange virus scanner
but they generally use some sort of "gateway" virus filtering at the
perimeter.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Viruses via email

Heck ya!  Lots.

William 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Greg Heywood
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Viruses via email


Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do NOT use a
virus
protection product that links into exchange? Instead relying on desktop
av?

Cheers

Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
www.ipplc.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread Erik Sojka
My cat's breath smells like cat food.

> -Original Message-
> From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:jhague@;rmc.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:42 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it
> 
> 
> Absolutely - a reply with a link or just a single word is a wonderful
> thing if it actually helps and folks should take some initiative on
> their own.
> I am only commenting on some of the posts that are downright rude and
> uncalled for - the playful banter can be kind of interesting though. 
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:35 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it
> 
> I don't think this or any other tech related list is hostile towards 
> newcomers. On Linux related lists (about 98% of all lists I'm 
> subscribed
> 
> to) it's usually enough to tell what you did to solve your problem.
> Explain 
> you did search the archives, used google, searched the M$ KB (for M$ 
> related topics) and you really did what you could to find information.
> Seriously, a question with detailed information and showing 
> you did your
> 
> best to solve your problem is getting a better answer then one showing
> you 
> didn't do a thing.
> Remember.. it's mostly your problem and you search for help 
> from other 
> admins who don't get any payment.
> Nobody should feel offended if the answer is just a link to the
> information 
> you're looking for.
> 
> Read the following information. It's written by a guy who codes on
> Linux.. 
> but this information is also interesting for others.
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> I think I saw it in another reply too.
> 
> Just my EUR 0,02
> 
> Bye,
> 
> 
> 
> B.
> 
> 
> At 01:34 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
> >I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only
> >after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute 
> drivel (kind
> >of like the last 10 or so).
> >I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am
> >absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I 
> simply have
> >to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. 
> Its almost
> >as bad as spam to be quite honest.
> >Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and
> >therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of 
> an Exchange
> >Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that
> >every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and 
> farts Exchange
> >Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love
> >that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of
> >other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
> >I spend a great deal of time with TechNet and the 
> Knowledgebase as well
> >as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very
> >thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know 
> something
> >that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very 
> limited or in
> >poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these
> >lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in 
> the know and
> >who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions.
> >I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative 
> and hostile
> >toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a 
> bother, then
> >just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about 
> your lives
> >without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through.
> >I wish this post could have had some meaningful question 
> that couldn't
> >be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had
> >contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the
> >bickering - please stop.
> 
> SNIPPING a low of stuff.
> 
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Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Anil A.Hangal
Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I have a EX2k and 
Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the client side. For few of the 
clients, after some time outlook stops responding when you hit the send buton. I have 
checked the network settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I 
close outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". Any 
help would be appreciated.

TIA

Anil


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RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread Ely, Don
My dogs breath smells like a cat who's breath smells like cat food...

-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:esojka@;NBME.org] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it


My cat's breath smells like cat food.

> -Original Message-
> From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:jhague@;rmc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:42 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it
> 
> 
> Absolutely - a reply with a link or just a single word is a wonderful 
> thing if it actually helps and folks should take some initiative on 
> their own. I am only commenting on some of the posts that are 
> downright rude and uncalled for - the playful banter can be kind of 
> interesting though.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:35 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it
> 
> I don't think this or any other tech related list is hostile towards
> newcomers. On Linux related lists (about 98% of all lists I'm 
> subscribed
> 
> to) it's usually enough to tell what you did to solve your problem. 
> Explain you did search the archives, used google, searched the M$ KB 
> (for M$ related topics) and you really did what you could to find 
> information. Seriously, a question with detailed information and 
> showing you did your
> 
> best to solve your problem is getting a better answer then one showing 
> you didn't do a thing.
> Remember.. it's mostly your problem and you search for help 
> from other 
> admins who don't get any payment.
> Nobody should feel offended if the answer is just a link to the
> information 
> you're looking for.
> 
> Read the following information. It's written by a guy who codes on 
> Linux.. but this information is also interesting for others.
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> I think I saw it in another reply too.
> 
> Just my EUR 0,02
> 
> Bye,
> 
> 
> 
> B.
> 
> 
> At 01:34 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
> >I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only 
> >after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute
> drivel (kind
> >of like the last 10 or so).
> >I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am 
> >absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I
> simply have
> >to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question.
> Its almost
> >as bad as spam to be quite honest.
> >Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and 
> >therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of
> an Exchange
> >Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that 
> >every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and
> farts Exchange
> >Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love 
> >that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of 
> >other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. I spend a great 
> >deal of time with TechNet and the
> Knowledgebase as well
> >as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very 
> >thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know
> something
> >that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very
> limited or in
> >poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these 
> >lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in
> the know and
> >who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions. I 
> >find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative
> and hostile
> >toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a
> bother, then
> >just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about
> your lives
> >without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through. 
> >I wish this post could have had some meaningful question
> that couldn't
> >be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had 
> >contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the 
> >bickering - please stop.
> 
> SNIPPING a low of stuff.
> 
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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
WMS Spooler? Never heard of it. Find out what that is and see if its not the
problem.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> 
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> I had posted this question last week but still the problem 
> persists. I have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With 
> SP2 applied) at the client side. For few of the clients, 
> after some time outlook stops responding when you hit the 
> send buton. I have checked the network settings and it is no 
> different than the working ones. When I close outlook through 
> task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Anil
> 
> 
> Please note that the former email address with extension 
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Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Marc Mearns
Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the message 
tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably freeware/shareware).

We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will be larger 
soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am dealing with. I tried a 
freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good for sorting. I basically want to be able 
to manipulate the data. Especially look at the number of large messages being sent 
each day. 

Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Public Folder replication

2002-10-24 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)
Lee,

1. What conflicts?
2. What errors?
3. Most?  As in hierarchy, or content?
4. Hierarchy or Content?
5. Are you upgrading or migrating (with or without an ADC?)
6. If you have an ADC, is the PF CA set up correctly? 
7..

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:38 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Public Folder replication
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Public Folder replication


Did you actually replicate the content?  The connection agreement
doesn't do that, you have to add the replica onto the new server.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Public Folder replication


I am in the process of migrating our Exchange 5.5 server to Exchange
2000. All of the public folders are currently held on the 5.5 server. I
have set up Public Folder replication between the two servers but after
replicating once they will not replicate again. Consequently anybodires
mailbox that has been moved to the new server can't see most of the
public folders. Also we are getting several conflicts as well.

I have set up a seperate connection agreement for Public Folders

Any Ideas

Lee 

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RE: client connection question

2002-10-24 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
MAPI to one, POP3 to the other one :)

-Original Message-
From: Hatley, Ken [mailto:Ken.Hatley@;bankofamerica.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: client connection question


Is it possible to set up Outlook to connect to two different mailboxes in
different Orgs at the same time?  I need to be able to switch back and forth
and it is a pain to have to change the profile each timeor maybe a
utility to change on the fly.

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Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Tony Hlabse
Instead of jumping through all those hoops. Why not by a 3rd party app to do
that. this one comes to mind but there are many if you look.
www.promodag.com

- Original Message -
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To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:03 AM
Subject: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably
freeware/shareware).

We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will be
larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am dealing
with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good for sorting. I
basically want to be able to manipulate the data. Especially look at the
number of large messages being sent each day.

Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Schwartz, Jim
Ah, yes. I recall that incident.

If you choose to use a RBL, read very carefully what the criteria is to be
placed on their lists. As Darcy said before, some of these folks block
entire netblocks. There is one or two that I know of that have blocked the
entire Sprintlink netblock. That's something like 2 million IP addresses.
All because one or two spammers somewhere in that mess. RBL's are fine if
you are running your own mail server at home. For businesses that depend on
e-mail for their communication, why would you place the decision on who can
send to your domain into the hands of some mail Nazi? I've found many of the
people that run RBL's are not interested in stopping SPAM, they are
interested in having the internet working the way they want it to. (i.e. Dr.
Cummings) We even went to the point of contacting the author of the RFC to
clarify the proper place to reject a mail message. The answer from the
RBL'ers? We don't care.

That's why I won't use them. Ever.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


More likely a combination of b) and a fundamental lack of understanding of
how the RBL they have chosen works with regards to managing their black hole
lists. Purusal of the archives with regards to Mr. Schwartz and Dr. Cumming
about this time last year should provide some valuable insight to the issues
with RBLs in general.

That being said, I'm fairly impressed with the Spamcop.net RBL - they
provide documentation of their blocked senders via the web, and are very
quick to retest and remove if the problem has been solved.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:16 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> That's a little harsh. (I love it when you're harsh...)
> 
> Do you mean they are not aware of it, or they are unable to comprehend
> its functionality?
> 
> William  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an 
> RBL actually
> is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties 
> to provide
> the
> functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you in 
> phoning stupid
> admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their company business.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night 
> > and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> > about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)
Access

-Original Message-
From: Marc Mearns [mailto:Marc.Mearns@;sainsburys.co.uk] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:04 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Exchange Message Tracking logs
Subject: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably
freeware/shareware).

We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will
be larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am
dealing with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good
for sorting. I basically want to be able to manipulate the data.
Especially look at the number of large messages being sent each day. 

Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)
EX2k... on Win2k server... what sp levels?

What have you done to troubleshoot the clients, i.e. network
connectivity, hardware, software.

1. Are they all on the same hub/segment/etc, possibly overused/failing?
2. Do the client pc's have enough resources (i.e. these are
older/crappier than the others that work)
3. Have you re-installed outlook on these clients?
4. Have you ruled out all user error?

etc

-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Outlook Rules
Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I
have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the
client side. For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops
responding when you hit the send buton. I have checked the network
settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I close
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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Marc Mearns
Tony

Thanks For your response. I did have a look at the product a few years back for 
Exchange 5.5. It was ok and if I recall was not cheap. I can't really justify the cost 
as my requirement is very short term.

Thanks

Regards


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From:   Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com] 
Sent:   24 October 2002 14:22
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs

Instead of jumping through all those hoops. Why not by a 3rd party app to do
that. this one comes to mind but there are many if you look.
www.promodag.com

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Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
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We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will be
larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am dealing
with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good for sorting. I
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Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Marc Mearns
Ali

Have you used access to do this?

Regards

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Sent:   24 October 2002 14:32
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

Access

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Subject: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
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We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will
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dealing with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good
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Especially look at the number of large messages being sent each day. 

Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Tony Hlabse
Then as Ali said use Access. Enjoy! Or if this is a one time shot. Promodag
does have an eval. that works for 15 days?

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Tony

Thanks For your response. I did have a look at the product a few years back
for Exchange 5.5. It was ok and if I recall was not cheap. I can't really
justify the cost as my requirement is very short term.

Thanks

Regards


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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com]
Sent: 24 October 2002 14:22
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs

Instead of jumping through all those hoops. Why not by a 3rd party app to do
that. this one comes to mind but there are many if you look.
www.promodag.com

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Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably
freeware/shareware).

We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will be
larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am dealing
with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good for sorting. I
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Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Tener, Richard
I think I saw this issue resolved in one of the service packs for office
2000, maybe you can check out the fixes, Im almost positive just not sure
which service pack

rich

-Original Message-
From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:AWILKES@;bordersgroupinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


EX2k... on Win2k server... what sp levels?

What have you done to troubleshoot the clients, i.e. network
connectivity, hardware, software.

1. Are they all on the same hub/segment/etc, possibly overused/failing?
2. Do the client pc's have enough resources (i.e. these are
older/crappier than the others that work)
3. Have you re-installed outlook on these clients?
4. Have you ruled out all user error?

etc

-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Outlook Rules
Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I
have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the
client side. For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops
responding when you hit the send buton. I have checked the network
settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I close
outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not
reponding". Any help would be appreciated.

TIA

Anil


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RE: Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread Craig A. Mills
use NAV for both

Craig A. Mills
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Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do NOT use a virus
protection product that links into exchange? Instead relying on desktop av?

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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)
Um, no, I don't read my message tracking logs. ;)  If I'm bored, I
usually get a newspaper.

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Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Ali

Have you used access to do this?

Regards

 -Original Message-
From:   Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:AWILKES@;bordersgroupinc.com] 
Sent:   24 October 2002 14:32
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

Access

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From: Marc Mearns [mailto:Marc.Mearns@;sainsburys.co.uk] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:04 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
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Subject: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably
freeware/shareware).

We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will
be larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am
dealing with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good
for sorting. I basically want to be able to manipulate the data.
Especially look at the number of large messages being sent each day. 

Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)
No, Promodag charges for the eval also.  >{

I would say look for reporting software rather than trying to use a db.
The reporting software will save you a lot of headaches and look
prettier when you give it to mgmt types.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:36 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Exchange Message Tracking logs
Subject: Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Then as Ali said use Access. Enjoy! Or if this is a one time shot.
Promodag
does have an eval. that works for 15 days?

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Subject: RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Tony

Thanks For your response. I did have a look at the product a few years
back
for Exchange 5.5. It was ok and if I recall was not cheap. I can't
really
justify the cost as my requirement is very short term.

Thanks

Regards


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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com]
Sent: 24 October 2002 14:22
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs

Instead of jumping through all those hoops. Why not by a 3rd party app
to do
that. this one comes to mind but there are many if you look.
www.promodag.com

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To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:03 AM
Subject: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably
freeware/shareware).

We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will
be
larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am
dealing
with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good for
sorting. I
basically want to be able to manipulate the data. Especially look at the
number of large messages being sent each day.

Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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RE: Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
Use Antigen for Exchange and NAV on the desktop.  They seem very copasetic
together.

Gèoff...



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Subject: RE: Viruses via email


use NAV for both

Craig A. Mills
Computer Aided Management, Inc.
371 Oak Pl.,  Ste. H
Brea, Ca. 92821
(714) 257-0108




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Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do NOT use a virus
protection product that links into exchange? Instead relying on desktop av?

Cheers

Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
www.ipplc.com
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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread James Winzenz
Have you checked to verify that the clients are resolving the addresses they
type in?  Ctrl+K?  I have seen this happen (granted with Ex5.5, but with
OL2k) when the client has multiple versions of the GAL in their OL Address
Book and OL can't resolve the email address, so it hangs for about 5
minutes.  Worth checking.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I have
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For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops responding when you
hit the send buton. I have checked the network settings and it is no
different than the working ones. When I close outlook through task manager,
I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". Any help would be appreciated.

TIA

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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Anil A.Hangal
On the server side it is win2k sp2 and exchange2k sp3. on the client, it is olk2k sp2. 

1. They are all on the same subnet connected to the same switch. just abt 30 users. 
Overloading can be ruled out. 
2. They are all pentium III/VI machines with loads of memory and disk space
3. Will be reinstalling the outlook and see if it solves the problem.
4. There is no user error. Even if they pick up somebody from the address book and 
send it internally thye are getting this   error. 

Will look in to any fixes for the office 2000 post sp2 fixes. The clients are able to 
resolve the names with CTRL K. 

-Original Message-
From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:AWILKES@;bordersgroupinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


EX2k... on Win2k server... what sp levels?

What have you done to troubleshoot the clients, i.e. network
connectivity, hardware, software.

1. Are they all on the same hub/segment/etc, possibly overused/failing?
2. Do the client pc's have enough resources (i.e. these are
older/crappier than the others that work)
3. Have you re-installed outlook on these clients?
4. Have you ruled out all user error?

etc

-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Outlook Rules
Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I
have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the
client side. For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops
responding when you hit the send buton. I have checked the network
settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I close
outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not
reponding". Any help would be appreciated.

TIA

Anil


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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread James Winzenz
Any errors in the client event logs or on the exchange event logs?

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


On the server side it is win2k sp2 and exchange2k sp3. on the client, it is
olk2k sp2. 

1. They are all on the same subnet connected to the same switch. just abt 30
users. Overloading can be ruled out. 
2. They are all pentium III/VI machines with loads of memory and disk space
3. Will be reinstalling the outlook and see if it solves the problem.
4. There is no user error. Even if they pick up somebody from the address
book and send it internally thye are getting this   error. 

Will look in to any fixes for the office 2000 post sp2 fixes. The clients
are able to resolve the names with CTRL K. 

-Original Message-
From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:AWILKES@;bordersgroupinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


EX2k... on Win2k server... what sp levels?

What have you done to troubleshoot the clients, i.e. network connectivity,
hardware, software.

1. Are they all on the same hub/segment/etc, possibly overused/failing? 2.
Do the client pc's have enough resources (i.e. these are older/crappier than
the others that work) 3. Have you re-installed outlook on these clients? 4.
Have you ruled out all user error?

etc

-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Outlook Rules
Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I have
a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the client side.
For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops responding when you
hit the send buton. I have checked the network settings and it is no
different than the working ones. When I close outlook through task manager,
I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". Any help would be appreciated.

TIA

Anil


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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
WMS - Windows Messaging Service?

-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I have a EX2k and 
Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the client side. For few of the 
clients, after some time outlook stops responding when you hit the send buton. I have 
checked the network settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I 
close outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". Any 
help would be appreciated.

TIA

Anil


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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Anil A.Hangal
Either windows messaging service or subsystem. Looked in the techent for that and it 
gives only one article which does not fit my problem description. 


-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


WMS - Windows Messaging Service?

-Original Message-
From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Dear list,

I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I have a EX2k and 
Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the client side. For few of the 
clients, after some time outlook stops responding when you hit the send buton. I have 
checked the network settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I 
close outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". Any 
help would be appreciated.

TIA

Anil


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Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread mike dilworth
why bother with those crappy low info tracking logs when there are better
ways?

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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Someone posted a perl script that would do something with them not too long
ago. I won't repost it (because I didn't write it) but I'm sure its in the
archives. I'd guess early this week, IIRC.

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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:04 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Exchange Message Tracking logs
> 
> 
> Group
> 
> Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to 
> import the message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of 
> the data (preferably freeware/shareware).
> 
> We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 
> 80mb and will be larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount 
> of records that I am dealing with. I tried a freeware utility 
> called CSVDB but was no good for sorting. I basically want to 
> be able to manipulate the data. Especially look at the number 
> of large messages being sent each day. 
> 
> Any constructive comments would be appreciated.
> 
> Exchange 2000 SP2
> Windows 2000 SP2
> 
> Regards
> 
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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Or MessageOne's MessageView. Does purty reports.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:22 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs
> 
> 
> Instead of jumping through all those hoops. Why not by a 3rd 
> party app to do
> that. this one comes to mind but there are many if you look.
> www.promodag.com
> 
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> 
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> Group
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> Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to 
> import the
> message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably
> freeware/shareware).
> 
> We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 
> 80mb and will be
> larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that 
> I am dealing
> with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good 
> for sorting. I
> basically want to be able to manipulate the data. Especially 
> look at the
> number of large messages being sent each day.
> 
> Any constructive comments would be appreciated.
> 
> Exchange 2000 SP2
> Windows 2000 SP2
> 
> Regards
> 
> Marc Mearns
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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Shouldn't be. The MAPI spooler is MAPISP32.exe

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> -Original Message-
> From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> 
> 
> WMS - Windows Messaging Service?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> 
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> I had posted this question last week but still the problem 
> persists. I have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With 
> SP2 applied) at the client side. For few of the clients, 
> after some time outlook stops responding when you hit the 
> send buton. I have checked the network settings and it is no 
> different than the working ones. When I close outlook through 
> task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Anil
> 
> 
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Re: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Tony Hlabse

- Original Message - 
From: "Roger Seielstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


> Shouldn't be. The MAPI spooler is MAPISP32.exe
> 
> --
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> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> > 
> > 
> > WMS - Windows Messaging Service?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> > 
> > 
> > Dear list,
> > 
> > I had posted this question last week but still the problem 
> > persists. I have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With 
> > SP2 applied) at the client side. For few of the clients, 
> > after some time outlook stops responding when you hit the 
> > send buton. I have checked the network settings and it is no 
> > different than the working ones. When I close outlook through 
> > task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not reponding". 
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Anil
> > 
> > 
> > Please note that the former email address with extension 
> > @akbankinternational.nl has been changed to @akbank.nl. 
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RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
Although some of these replies sound a bit rude to you, I would still 
consider some of them to the point. Really.. how would you install/maintain 
the usage of RBL if you don't even know what it means.. How would you be 
able to decide which one to use..
At this point Chris Scharff is right.. a bit rude perhaps.. but right.. At 
some other points he was a bit rude too but I think he was right again..

He made me laugh.. I think you're taking it to serious to be an admin.. 
It's a hell of a job and humor is the only way to survive. For ppl who 
aren't admins some of the talk on this or any other list sounds rude.. but 
I guess it's not that bad at all. Or perhaps I'm just working in this field 
to long to know how ppl should talk to each other.

If the posting has something to do about pets then I'm using the "delete" 
button.. So even that button has a perpose :-)

Have fun,



B.

At 08:42 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
Absolutely - a reply with a link or just a single word is a wonderful
thing if it actually helps and folks should take some initiative on
their own.
I am only commenting on some of the posts that are downright rude and
uncalled for - the playful banter can be kind of interesting though.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

I don't think this or any other tech related list is hostile towards
newcomers. On Linux related lists (about 98% of all lists I'm subscribed

to) it's usually enough to tell what you did to solve your problem.
Explain
you did search the archives, used google, searched the M$ KB (for M$
related topics) and you really did what you could to find information.
Seriously, a question with detailed information and showing you did your

best to solve your problem is getting a better answer then one showing
you
didn't do a thing.
Remember.. it's mostly your problem and you search for help from other
admins who don't get any payment.
Nobody should feel offended if the answer is just a link to the
information
you're looking for.

Read the following information. It's written by a guy who codes on
Linux..
but this information is also interesting for others.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I think I saw it in another reply too.

Just my EUR 0,02

Bye,



B.


At 01:34 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
>I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only
>after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute drivel (kind
>of like the last 10 or so).
>I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am
>absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I simply have
>to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. Its almost
>as bad as spam to be quite honest.
>Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and
>therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of an Exchange
>Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that
>every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and farts Exchange
>Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love
>that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of
>other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
>I spend a great deal of time with TechNet and the Knowledgebase as well
>as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very
>thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know something
>that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very limited or in
>poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these
>lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in the know and
>who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions.
>I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative and hostile
>toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a bother, then
>just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about your lives
>without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through.
>I wish this post could have had some meaningful question that couldn't
>be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had
>contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the
>bickering - please stop.

SNIPPING a low of stuff.


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RE: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or Windows login scr ipt for the Outlook Direct Booking.

2002-10-24 Thread John Strongosky
Ya, that's what I heard too, that they are going to combine it with the Tech
Ed conference but hasn't that rumor been going around for a long time. I do
have the .reg file.  I just thought that someone had a script or .bat or
.cmd file that would do the appropriate checking of the registry, that they
would share.

john

 Remember 9/11

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or Windows login
script for the Outlook Direct Booking.


Your last, too.

Why not just make a .REG file?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc: 'NT 2000 Discussions'
Subject: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or Windows login
script for the Outlook Direct Booking.


   We are in the process of testing Joseph Nuebauer's Outlook Direct
Booking as he outlined in the Windows and .Net magazine (Exchange &
Outlook Administrator Oct 2002) article 26184 and so far we like it. Now
it comes down to pushing the "FBPUBLISH" registry change to all the
win98 machines that we have as I mistakenly took the default time to
publish of 2 months. Rather than reinvent the wheel, does anyone have a
script that will do this and be willing to share it with me.

Also I really enjoyed the MEC this year as it was my first. So much to
see and do and so little time.

V/r
john

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Strange Outlook problem

2002-10-24 Thread RBHATIA
I have a strange problem with Outlook 2000. Whenever I receive any message
with the words "Purchase order today" in the body of the email, it
automatically goes from my Inbox into my Deleted Items folder. I reviewed my
rules and it didn't match any of my rules. Furthermore, I disabled all the
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Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?

2002-10-24 Thread Durkee, Peter
It seems to be really more of a self-replicating spam. A user gets an e-card which 
directs them to a web site to see the card. The site says they need to install 
software to see the card. The user installs the software which has a EULA allowing the 
software to send e-cards to everyone in the user's Contacts list. The software then 
proceeds to do so.

The full story is at http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99760.htm

I've stopped about 15 of them today. If you can filter on words in the subject line, 
you might want to enter the phrase, "you have an E-Card from".

-Peter


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RE: Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread Ben Schorr
RE: Comments on desktop AV - not necessarily true.  We use F-Secure from
DataFellows as our desktop AV; it's all managed from a central console,
updates are pushed to the workstations daily, and the user doesn't have the
priv level to disable or uninstall it. Maybe we have an idyllic situation
but our desktop A/V has been extremely reliable thus far.

That said I do agree that an Exchange-aware, server-based, A/V product is a
good thing.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
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> -Original Message-
> From: Waters, Jeff [mailto:jrwaters@;co.hanover.va.us] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:14 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Viruses via email
> 
> 
> I'm sure there are a few (ok more than a few) but the 
> question would be why would you want to.  Even in the best 
> managed desktop environment you can't ensure that all the 
> desktops are at the latest definition level, or that you user 
> hasn't chosen to turn off the protection, or worse yet an 
> admin turned it off to update a program and in a rush doesn't 
> turn it back on.  With the e-mail you have a limited number, 
> can update at will, scan the mail and at least feel that you 
> are doing the best job possible to keep the little critters 
> out of your world.  And the plus is you have control over the 
> process, and yes I am a control nut. just as an FYI we run 
> Trend on the server, and yes I Love It and will pay the price 
> increase, and we run NAV on the desktop with the OL hook, 
> that way the users who are also popping with the client (yes 
> that's another topic!) can't bring one in on the other side. 
> I am very pleased, the A/V along with blocking attachments 
> has served us very well.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:08 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Viruses via email
> 
> 
> Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do 
> NOT use a virus protection product that links into exchange? 
> Instead relying on desktop av?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Greg Heywood
> Technology Project Manager
> International Power PLC
> Phone +44 20 7320 8672
> Fax +44 20 7320 8725
> www.ipplc.com
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RE: Strange Outlook problem

2002-10-24 Thread Candee Vaglica
Check your junk mail filters

-Original Message-
From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Strange Outlook problem


I have a strange problem with Outlook 2000. Whenever I receive any message
with the words "Purchase order today" in the body of the email, it
automatically goes from my Inbox into my Deleted Items folder. I reviewed my
rules and it didn't match any of my rules. Furthermore, I disabled all the
rules and it still moves it into the Deleted Items folder. Any ideas ?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Scharff
I find it remarkable how often fishing lessons are met with such ire. 

"It's easier to stop sticking a fork in your ear than it is to try and
construct some kind of electro-magnetic hat." -- Ben M. Schorr (1/25/2002)



-- 
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MessageOne
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> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:02 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Sorry about that I didn't mean Gary I meant Chris in that 
> previous statement
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:01 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Sorry - no.  You threw the first stone when you called Chris 
> names.  Now go away and think about it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yes but Gary didn't have to be a dick. In fact if he wasn't 
> acting like a dick in the first place then none of this would 
> have happened.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:31 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Okay - I generally keep my mouth shut when I see folks do 
> things on this list that are less than professional.  Most of 
> it is good-natured and/or only minimally offensive.  We all 
> have our moments, and we're all presumably grownups.
> 
> Gary didn't play "nice", but he did not use any words that 
> would be considered offensive.
> 
> You have used foul language in an attempt to directly insult 
> a respected member of this list [1] who did nothing more than 
> point out to you that you could have answered your own 
> question very easily.  Now you've posted a link to a truly 
> offensive picture.  I'm guessing that you were hoping to 
> insult Gary [2].
> 
> That goes over the line - not only is it unprofessional, it 
> is the sort of thing that clicking on can get people fired.  
> Stop and think about it.  Nearly all of us who are on this 
> list are at work.  We are here primarily for information, 
> partly for socialization.  We are not here for you to inflict 
> your infantile notion of humor on.
> 
> I politely answered your question and provided additional 
> background on
> *why* RBL's should be used judiciously because I prefer to 
> give folks the benefit of the doubt.  You have proven that 
> the courtesy was wasted on you.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> 
> [1] Lucky for you, Chris rarely takes offense at the behavior 
> of children. [2] Gary also usually ignores people who haven't 
> grown up yet, but he hits harder when he does decide to take 
> notice.  Sometimes juveniles need to be spanked.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:15 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> The prophet of http://www.goatse.cx/hello.jpg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:37 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Hummert, you incompetent little piece of pond scum, did it 
> occur to you to actually run a "real" google search, such as 
> "rbl email definition"? Comes up on the first page you 
> arrogant little pillow muncher.  See? You want to throw shit 
> around on the list?  There's plenty of folk that can come on 
> out and party, you lobotomised little wanker.
> 
> For the record - I _know_ what Scharff's contribution to life 
> the universe and everything is.  You?  Other than being one 
> of the current poster children of prophylactia (along with 
> Precht), exactly what is your function in the messaging universe?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a 
> time, on a web page far, far away, there was a place made 
> especially for lovers of romance. ... 
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance 
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF 
> RIGHTEOUS XXX
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
>

RE: Viruses via email

2002-10-24 Thread Waters, Jeff
I'm sure there are a few (ok more than a few) but the question would be why
would you want to.  Even in the best managed desktop environment you can't
ensure that all the desktops are at the latest definition level, or that you
user hasn't chosen to turn off the protection, or worse yet an admin turned
it off to update a program and in a rush doesn't turn it back on.  With the
e-mail you have a limited number, can update at will, scan the mail and at
least feel that you are doing the best job possible to keep the little
critters out of your world.  And the plus is you have control over the
process, and yes I am a control nut.
just as an FYI we run Trend on the server, and yes I Love It and will pay
the price increase, and we run NAV on the desktop with the OL hook, that way
the users who are also popping with the client (yes that's another topic!)
can't bring one in on the other side. I am very pleased, the A/V along with
blocking attachments has served us very well.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Viruses via email


Just wondering if there are many companies out there that do NOT use a virus
protection product that links into exchange? Instead relying on desktop av?

Cheers

Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
www.ipplc.com
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Darcy Adams
Chris gently reiterated the policies of this list [1] in a very subtle way by 
providing a link to a place where you could have found the answer to your question 
"what is an RBL?".  He did nothing rude or out of line.

Your response was unreasonable - especially since a search on Google of RBL turns up 
the information you needed in the first three items.  The one you cited is the fourth 
on the list.  Just to prove it to you, here's a link to the results of a Google on 
"RBL"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=RBL

I think you were spoiling for a fight.

Darcy

[1] Do the research first [2]
[2] Let us know what research you did and what you found

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Sorry about that I didn't mean Gary I meant Chris in that previous
statement

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Sorry - no.  You threw the first stone when you called Chris names.  Now
go away and think about it.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yes but Gary didn't have to be a dick. In fact if he wasn't acting like
a dick in the first place then none of this would have happened.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Okay - I generally keep my mouth shut when I see folks do things on this
list that are less than professional.  Most of it is good-natured and/or
only minimally offensive.  We all have our moments, and we're all
presumably grownups.

Gary didn't play "nice", but he did not use any words that would be
considered offensive.

You have used foul language in an attempt to directly insult a respected
member of this list [1] who did nothing more than point out to you that
you could have answered your own question very easily.  Now you've
posted a link to a truly offensive picture.  I'm guessing that you were
hoping to insult Gary [2].

That goes over the line - not only is it unprofessional, it is the sort
of thing that clicking on can get people fired.  Stop and think about
it.  Nearly all of us who are on this list are at work.  We are here
primarily for information, partly for socialization.  We are not here
for you to inflict your infantile notion of humor on.

I politely answered your question and provided additional background on
*why* RBL's should be used judiciously because I prefer to give folks
the benefit of the doubt.  You have proven that the courtesy was wasted
on you.

Darcy


[1] Lucky for you, Chris rarely takes offense at the behavior of
children. [2] Gary also usually ignores people who haven't grown up yet,
but he hits harder when he does decide to take notice.  Sometimes
juveniles need to be spanked.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


The prophet of http://www.goatse.cx/hello.jpg

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Hummert, you incompetent little piece of pond scum, did it occur to you
to actually run a "real" google search, such as "rbl email definition"?
Comes up on the first page you arrogant little pillow muncher.  See? You
want to throw shit around on the list?  There's plenty of folk that can
come on out and party, you lobotomised little wanker.

For the record - I _know_ what Scharff's contribution to life the
universe and everything is.  You?  Other than being one of the current
poster children of prophylactia (along with Precht), exactly what is
your function in the messaging universe?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS XXX

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
S

RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Darcy Adams
Interpretations vary - the sense of it remains the same.

-Original Message-
From: Etts, Russell [mailto:retts@;harman.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


OOppsss

I was told it was relay black list.  Sorry for the misinformation.

Russell

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Well, if you mean I convinced you that an RBL can be Really Bad
(L)admininstration, yes, I'd say I answered it in depth and detail.

Real-time Black List is what it actually stands for.  And Chris can laugh at
me if he wants - I had to ask the first time I saw it as an acronym.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Never mind Darcy's previous message answered my question

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to and
maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a critical
sales order or customer service request based on their say so?

An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more
than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to
have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who
knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive
effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok please explain.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties 
> to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you 
> in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> company business.
> 
> --
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the 
> > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Etts, Russell
OOppsss

I was told it was relay black list.  Sorry for the misinformation.

Russell

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Well, if you mean I convinced you that an RBL can be Really Bad
(L)admininstration, yes, I'd say I answered it in depth and detail.

Real-time Black List is what it actually stands for.  And Chris can laugh at
me if he wants - I had to ask the first time I saw it as an acronym.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Never mind Darcy's previous message answered my question

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to and
maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a critical
sales order or customer service request based on their say so?

An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more
than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to
have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who
knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive
effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok please explain.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties 
> to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you 
> in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> company business.
> 
> --
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the 
> > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Christopher Hummert
Sorry about that I didn't mean Gary I meant Chris in that previous
statement

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Sorry - no.  You threw the first stone when you called Chris names.  Now
go away and think about it.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yes but Gary didn't have to be a dick. In fact if he wasn't acting like
a dick in the first place then none of this would have happened.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Okay - I generally keep my mouth shut when I see folks do things on this
list that are less than professional.  Most of it is good-natured and/or
only minimally offensive.  We all have our moments, and we're all
presumably grownups.

Gary didn't play "nice", but he did not use any words that would be
considered offensive.

You have used foul language in an attempt to directly insult a respected
member of this list [1] who did nothing more than point out to you that
you could have answered your own question very easily.  Now you've
posted a link to a truly offensive picture.  I'm guessing that you were
hoping to insult Gary [2].

That goes over the line - not only is it unprofessional, it is the sort
of thing that clicking on can get people fired.  Stop and think about
it.  Nearly all of us who are on this list are at work.  We are here
primarily for information, partly for socialization.  We are not here
for you to inflict your infantile notion of humor on.

I politely answered your question and provided additional background on
*why* RBL's should be used judiciously because I prefer to give folks
the benefit of the doubt.  You have proven that the courtesy was wasted
on you.

Darcy


[1] Lucky for you, Chris rarely takes offense at the behavior of
children. [2] Gary also usually ignores people who haven't grown up yet,
but he hits harder when he does decide to take notice.  Sometimes
juveniles need to be spanked.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


The prophet of http://www.goatse.cx/hello.jpg

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Hummert, you incompetent little piece of pond scum, did it occur to you
to actually run a "real" google search, such as "rbl email definition"?
Comes up on the first page you arrogant little pillow muncher.  See? You
want to throw shit around on the list?  There's plenty of folk that can
come on out and party, you lobotomised little wanker.

For the record - I _know_ what Scharff's contribution to life the
universe and everything is.  You?  Other than being one of the current
poster children of prophylactia (along with Precht), exactly what is
your function in the messaging universe?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS XXX

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block

RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Stidley, Joel
I am pretty sure this was stated already, try downloading the Full
offline address list as well as change the RPC Binding order as follows:


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Exchange\Exchange Provider]
"Rpc_Binding_Order"="ncacn_ip_tcp"

Couple other questions, how many GCs do you have?  Are the GCs are doing
other things? Where are the GCs located in relation to the clients?

Lastly, do a network trace of the conversation the client is trying to
have at the time it locks up, that may tell us the problem.

Joel

WMS Spooler = Windows Messaging System Spooler :)

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

You said this happens only at some. What if you go to another desktop,
login
as troubled user, configure Outlook and try it there. Do you get the
same
results?

- Original Message -
From: "Anil A.Hangal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


no nedia server or anything. I think the wms spooler is related to
windows
messaging system. This message comes while I try to shutdown the
machine.



-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


You don't have a WMS (Windows Media) server running by any chance, do
you?

-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Great...you checked the network settings.  So what?

What else is different between the machines that DO work and the
machines
that DON'T?

Is there any Warehouse Management System (WMS) software installed on the
the
machines that DON'T work?

Search the log files on the clients that ARE having a problem and let us
see
what the errors look like.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Shouldn't be. The MAPI spooler is MAPISP32.exe

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
>
>
> WMS - Windows Messaging Service?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
>
>
> Dear list,
>
> I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I
> have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the
> client side. For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops
> responding when you hit the send buton. I have checked the network
> settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I close
> outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not
> reponding". Any help would be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Anil
>
>
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-24 Thread Dillon, Jeff
The picture you linked is a pretty good characterization of an "RBL"...has
your final question on this list been adequately answered?


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Goatse doesn't even phase me anymore that's not even sick. If you really
want to get sick do a search for pain4.jpg you'll enjoy it

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H
(Jim)
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


GAACCCK!

Dude...

That's just plain DISTURBING!!

What's even more disturbin, is that you would know where to find a
picture like that!!!

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


The prophet of http://www.goatse.cx/hello.jpg

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Hummert, you incompetent little piece of pond scum, did it occur to you
to actually run a "real" google search, such as "rbl email definition"?
Comes up on the first page you arrogant little pillow muncher.  See? You
want to throw shit around on the list?  There's plenty of folk that can
come on out and party, you lobotomised little wanker.

For the record - I _know_ what Scharff's contribution to life the
universe and everything is.  You?  Other than being one of the current
poster children of prophylactia (along with Precht), exactly what is
your function in the messaging universe?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place 
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more
> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to 
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 20

Mailing Lists

2002-10-24 Thread Mustafa Ibrahim

Hi all

We send out lots of documents and emails to clients. Many of these are
constructed in the form of Distribution Lists. I am want to make sure that
none of the clients is aware of who else is receiving these emails at the
sametime as its sent to them. Many of these clients are competitors and
would rather others are not aware when they recieve there documents and so
on.

And so I have been sending the mail recently by just putting the DL alias
name into BCC and sending messages that way. This works fine. However, I was
just wodering if there is another way to do this. Another way that will
allow you to have a generic message group name displayed in the TO: field
when the clients receive their emails. Something like like "Billings Update"
for instance. Much like what you get when you receive a message from this
forum.

Right now when I BCC the DL list nothing is shown in the To field. Any
ideas?. Any feedback is much appreciated. 

Mustafa

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Re: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Tony Hlabse
You said this happens only at some. What if you go to another desktop, login
as troubled user, configure Outlook and try it there. Do you get the same
results?

- Original Message -
From: "Anil A.Hangal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


no nedia server or anything. I think the wms spooler is related to windows
messaging system. This message comes while I try to shutdown the machine.



-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


You don't have a WMS (Windows Media) server running by any chance, do you?

-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Great...you checked the network settings.  So what?

What else is different between the machines that DO work and the machines
that DON'T?

Is there any Warehouse Management System (WMS) software installed on the the
machines that DON'T work?

Search the log files on the clients that ARE having a problem and let us see
what the errors look like.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Shouldn't be. The MAPI spooler is MAPISP32.exe

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
>
>
> WMS - Windows Messaging Service?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
>
>
> Dear list,
>
> I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I
> have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the
> client side. For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops
> responding when you hit the send buton. I have checked the network
> settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I close
> outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not
> reponding". Any help would be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Anil
>
>
> Please note that the former email address with extension
> @akbankinternational.nl has been changed to @akbank.nl.
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Re: Outlook Rules

2002-10-24 Thread Daniel Chenault
Can be is not an option. Has to be is how it works.

- Original Message -
From: "David McSpadden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Outlook Rules


> Outlook 2000.  Yes it can be.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Daniel Chenault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Outlook Rules
>
>
> > Is the client running?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: David McSpadden [mailto:davidm@;imcu.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:30 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Outlook Rules
> >
> >
> > I have an Exchange 5.5 sp4 w/IMS running on NT 4.0 sp6a.
> > My email client is Outlook 2000 on a WinXPsp1.
> >  I am trying to set up a rule that will forward an email sent to me. I
can
> > manually forward the incoming email from X. to Y.  But when I set up the
> > rule it does nothing.  The X is in my Recepients the Y  is in my
personal
> > contacts.  When I am manually forwarding it I select it from my
contacts.
> > When I am setting up my rule I select it from my  contacts.  I don't see
> any
> > obvious errors but it still doesn't work. Can anyone explain to me why
the
> > rule wouldn't work if manually forwarding does???
> >
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RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

2002-10-24 Thread Chinnery Paul
Great post, Craig.  That should be added to the faq.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:craig.dupler@;boeing.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it


Dear Jeff,

To get any value out of this list, you have to assume that massive deletes
without reads is the norm.
Use a rule to move everything coming in from the list to a single folder.
Sort that folder by subject.
Don't even try to interact with a thread without using a tripane
viewer/reader.

Finally, you have to accept that techies go through a number of
socialization phases on their way toward becoming true experts.  One of them
lasts for a while after they begin to understand enough to actually start
helping others.  It has similarities to post adolescence.  If you have ever
taught classes to people in the age ranges of either middle school (12-14)
or college sophomore to about 35, then you clearly understand the
entertainment opportunities.  But gee, in order to get to the other side of
anything, one does have to pass through it.

Don't worry about either offending or being offended.  You will - both.  It
is a normal part of the journey.  I get to say that, since my hair is grey
and I was here before all but about three others, back when Peter first
started the list to replace the original Bravehearts group, which goes back
to well before Exchange was called Exchange.

One other thing - it's ok to come and go.  Everyone has.

CD


-Original Message-
From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:jhague@;rmc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it


I am sorry that you misunderstood my rants - let me explain.

First - I am not directing this at any one individual in particular -
your right Generally Chris and the rest of the members of this list are
correct or at least informative in many of the posts I have read.
Second - I really don't care if your rude - you can all be total flaming
a-holes as far as Im concerned as long as you don't work in my building
it doesn't bother me a bit.
Third - as stated, I enjoy the banter as well and a little humor always
helps to get through the day.
Fourth - the person who originally posted this message did know what the
term meant and is probably quite capable of installing and using the
technology. It wasn't until 6 or 7 replies in that someone asked what
the term meant and from that point on the whole thread just went to hell
- I don't see what good came out of it. This in itself wouldn't bother
me too much but its not exactly an isolated case.
Fifth - Im not even going to bother with your comment regarding my
abilities as an admin because im too serious as it has no relevance to
one's ability to do anything except, possibly, standup comedy. (OK, so I
guess I did bother...).
Finally, what really strikes me as interesting is that some of you post
more replies complaining about people with stupid questions than there
are posts of that nature in the first place. Add to that the humorous or
off-topic posts and I think the percentage of posts that are in fact
Exchange related and helpful drops to somewhere around 50% or less.
Furthermore, some of you seem to think that a simple (and perhaps a
stupid) question wastes your time but responding to that question in a
rude manner does not - I just don't get it.
What bothers me about this is that I have to pour through all of this
crap looking for the wisdom of those of you who have already been there
and done that which is why I subscribe to these lists in the first
place.
As I've stated, the fun stuff is OK too but lets at least try to keep
most of this stuff relevant.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it

Although some of these replies sound a bit rude to you, I would still 
consider some of them to the point. Really.. how would you
install/maintain 
the usage of RBL if you don't even know what it means.. How would you be

able to decide which one to use..
At this point Chris Scharff is right.. a bit rude perhaps.. but right..
At 
some other points he was a bit rude too but I think he was right again..

He made me laugh.. I think you're taking it to serious to be an admin.. 
It's a hell of a job and humor is the only way to survive. For ppl who 
aren't admins some of the talk on this or any other list sounds rude..
but 
I guess it's not that bad at all. Or perhaps I'm just working in this
field 
to long to know how ppl should talk to each other.

If the posting has something to do about pets then I'm using the
"delete" 
button.. So even that button has a perpose :-)

Have fun,



B.

At 08:42 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
>Absolutely - a reply with a link or just a single word is a wonderful
>thing if it actually helps and

Multiple SMTP ports

2002-10-24 Thread Bob Hollingsworth
Is it possible to make an Exchange 2000 server listen to multiple smtp
ports(i.e. port 25 and 30)?  One of our branch offices has there own mail
server but the DSL isp block outbound 25 and I need to get around this to
get mail to our server.

Thanks

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RE: New SMTP address generation in 5.5

2002-10-24 Thread Roger Seielstad
Nope. The "E-mail addresses" option changes the default reply-to address.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Ken.Powell@;clark.wa.gov] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:48 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: New SMTP address generation in 5.5
> 
> 
> The only thing that I would add (and I shutter to do so to a 
> message from
> Ed) is that the capitalization of the "SMTP" will make that 
> their default
> reply address. If you are just trying to give them an 
> additional address,
> then do not capitalize "smtp".
> 
> Ken Powell
> Systems Administrator
> Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS)
> Vancouver, Washington
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658
> Fax: (360) 759-6001
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:34 PM
> To: Exchange 5.5 List
> Subject: RE: New SMTP address generation in 5.5
> 
> You're right that this is not in the feature set of Exchange 5.5; it
> doesn't have any automatic feature.  As my fellow Jew Andy David [1]
> suggests, a low-cost [2] method to do this is through 
> directory import.
> And to help you out tonight [3] I'll tell you that the attribute you
> need is "Secondary-Proxy-Addresses"; put the data in the format
> "SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> 
> [1] Wait a minute--Andy David's not Jewish. [4]
> [2] Free, actually
> [3] I'm in a good mood because the Giants won
> [4] But I am, at least by blood
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
> Technical Consultant
> hp Services
> "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral 
> problems."
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Sean Winters
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:36 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: New SMTP address generation in 5.5
> 
> 
> We are adding a new email domain to our existing 5.5 org. What is the
> easiest way to automagically add the new "@newdomainname.org" to the
> existing users addresses? It looks like 2K has an address generation
> tool for such things but I can't find anything for 5.5.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sean
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RE: Outlook Rules

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Jordan
If the rule "doesn't do anything", then there are a number possibilities:
1. Rules don't work. Restart Outlook with a /ClearRules parameter (which
doesn't exist!, but there is one similar).
2. Rules work, but nothing has arrived to cause this one to fire. Check to
make sure this rule actually fires properly by matching the required input
specs.
3. Rules work, this one fires, but it doesn't do what you want. Check what
the rule is really doing. Also check for "auto replies to the Internet"
which could cause problems.
4. Rules work, this one fires, it does what you want, but only when you are
sitting watching it. This is typical with client based rules. AND you must
use client based rules, as you are forwarding to an address in your contacts
list.

Anything else?

Cheers, Chris
-Original Message-
From: Busby, Jacob [mailto:jacob.busby@;hants.gov.uk]
Sent: 24 October 2002 16:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook Rules


I've always found rules in Outlook to be somewhat unreliable at best.

If you're really planning on forwarding all mail sent to mailbox X to
internet address Y, you can set up a custom recipient of address Y (probably
hiding it from the GAL) then use Forwarding Address (under Delivery Options
in Exchange General) to forward the mail on. Personally I wouldn't advise
automatically forwarding mail out to the internet as you can run the risk of
a mail loop.

Alternatively you could have an Outlook rule file the mail into a separate
folder and then from time to time manually Forward Items on the mail in that
folder.

> I have an Exchange 5.5 sp4 w/IMS running on NT 4.0 sp6a.
> My email client is Outlook 2000 on a WinXPsp1.
>  I am trying to set up a rule that will forward an email sent to me.
> I can manually forward the incoming email from X. to Y.
>  But when I set up the rule it does nothing.  The X is in my 
> Recepients
> the Y  is in my personal contacts.  When I am manually forwarding it I
> select
> it from my contacts.  When I am setting up my rule I select it from my
>  contacts.  I don't see any obvious errors but it still doesn't work.
> Can anyone explain to me why the rule wouldn't work if manually
> forwarding does???

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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
You don't have a WMS (Windows Media) server running by any chance, do you?

-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Great...you checked the network settings.  So what?

What else is different between the machines that DO work and the machines
that DON'T?

Is there any Warehouse Management System (WMS) software installed on the the
machines that DON'T work?

Search the log files on the clients that ARE having a problem and let us see
what the errors look like.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Shouldn't be. The MAPI spooler is MAPISP32.exe

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> 
> 
> WMS - Windows Messaging Service?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> 
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I 
> have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the 
> client side. For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops 
> responding when you hit the send buton. I have checked the network 
> settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I close 
> outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not 
> reponding". Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Anil
> 
> 
> Please note that the former email address with extension 
> @akbankinternational.nl has been changed to @akbank.nl. 
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RE: no clue why it happens

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Jordan
That is not a normal internal Exchange read receipt.
Instead it looks like its a message that Exchange creates in order to inform
any e-mail user that they sent in a message with a Read Receipt on it via
SMTP and internet delivery.

So it looks as though the message got to him via the Internet, not direct on
an internal Exchange connector connected system.

Cheers, Chris
-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com]
Sent: 24 October 2002 16:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: no clue why it happens


This is very annoying and I cant figure it out maybe you guys\gals can help.


Secrectery sends a message out on behalf of my boss she checks the option
for a read receipt and she gets one from the system administrator that the
message has been delivered and read.  Then my boss gets a read receipt in
his inbox exactly like the one below.

This is a receipt for the mail you sent to
"SPECTRUM SHIPPING SERVICES (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at 10/24/02
10:53 AM

This receipt verifies that the message has been displayed on the recipient's
computer at 10/24/02 10:54 AM

Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original-Message-ID: <6A849432ADB7D411B8EC00508B122E47014F1204@LOGISTICS1>
Disposition: manual-action/MDN-sent-manually; displayed

So from here everything looks fine to me but the one problem is the receipt
that my boss receives is from one of our distribution list called Holcim
(midship) [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I have not a clue why he gets the message
from this DL when it has nothing to do with the original message that the
secratery sent out. The only permissions on this DL is sendas and I checked
the secretarys sent items and she did send it out on behalf of my boss.  

Is there any place that I can check in exchange 5.5 for receipts and see how
users get them.  I always thought the system adminstrator sent out receipts.







Thanks 
Rich

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RE: client connection question

2002-10-24 Thread Rob Hackney
OWA on one and normal client on t'other?

-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] 
Sent: 24 October 2002 14:22
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: client connection question


MAPI to one, POP3 to the other one :)

-Original Message-
From: Hatley, Ken [mailto:Ken.Hatley@;bankofamerica.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: client connection question


Is it possible to set up Outlook to connect to two different mailboxes
in different Orgs at the same time?  I need to be able to switch back
and forth and it is a pain to have to change the profile each timeor
maybe a utility to change on the fly.

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RE: Outlook Rules

2002-10-24 Thread Busby, Jacob
I've always found rules in Outlook to be somewhat unreliable at best.

If you're really planning on forwarding all mail sent to mailbox X to internet address 
Y, you can set up a custom recipient of address Y (probably hiding it from the GAL) 
then use Forwarding Address (under Delivery Options in Exchange General) to forward 
the mail on. Personally I wouldn't advise automatically forwarding mail out to the 
internet as you can run the risk of a mail loop.

Alternatively you could have an Outlook rule file the mail into a separate folder and 
then from time to time manually Forward Items on the mail in that folder.

> I have an Exchange 5.5 sp4 w/IMS running on NT 4.0 sp6a.
> My email client is Outlook 2000 on a WinXPsp1.
>  I am trying to set up a rule that will forward an email sent to me.
> I can manually forward the incoming email from X. to Y.
>  But when I set up the rule it does nothing.  The X is in my 
> Recepients
> the Y  is in my personal contacts.  When I am manually forwarding it I
> select
> it from my contacts.  When I am setting up my rule I select it from my
>  contacts.  I don't see any obvious errors but it still doesn't work.
> Can anyone explain to me why the rule wouldn't work if manually
> forwarding does???

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RE: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?

2002-10-24 Thread Christopher Hummert
Had about 3 of them this morning. My users don't have rights to install
software so I was able to stop it that way



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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Durkee, Peter
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?


It seems to be really more of a self-replicating spam. A user gets an
e-card which directs them to a web site to see the card. The site says
they need to install software to see the card. The user installs the
software which has a EULA allowing the software to send e-cards to
everyone in the user's Contacts list. The software then proceeds to do
so.

The full story is at http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99760.htm

I've stopped about 15 of them today. If you can filter on words in the
subject line, you might want to enter the phrase, "you have an E-Card
from".

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RE: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or Windows login scr ipt for the Outlook Direct Booking.

2002-10-24 Thread John Strongosky
 Erik, Thanks was just what I was looking for

 Remember 9/11

-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:esojka@;NBME.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or Windows login
scr ipt for the Outlook Direct Booking.


There's the REG command from the Resource Kit.  

Put REG.EXE in your logon script directory, and add the following lines into
your logon script (modified for Outlook version and desired FB values):

%0\..\REG ADD HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Office\9.0\Outlook\Preferences /v
FBPublishRange /t REG_DWORD /d 0x000c  /f
%0\..\REG ADD HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Office\9.0\Outlook\Preferences /v
FBUpdateSecs /t REG_DWORD /d 0x0384  /f

There is no issue nor any error generated if the registry value already
exists (i.e. if the logon script is run several times).

> -Original Message-
> From: John Strongosky [mailto:jstrongo@;sdccd.cc.ca.us] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:58 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or 
> Windows login scr ipt for the Outlook Direct Booking.
> 
> 
> Ya, that's what I heard too, that they are going to combine 
> it with the Tech
> Ed conference but hasn't that rumor been going around for a 
> long time. I do
> have the .reg file.  I just thought that someone had a script 
> or .bat or
> .cmd file that would do the appropriate checking of the 
> registry, that they
> would share.
> 
> john
> 
>  Remember 9/11
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:15 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or Windows login
> script for the Outlook Direct Booking.
> 
> 
> Your last, too.
> 
> Why not just make a .REG file?
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
> Technical Consultant
> hp Services
> "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral 
> problems."
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Strongosky
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:39 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Cc: 'NT 2000 Discussions'
> Subject: Changing the win98 registry via a Novell or Windows login
> script for the Outlook Direct Booking.
> 
> 
>We are in the process of testing Joseph Nuebauer's Outlook Direct
> Booking as he outlined in the Windows and .Net magazine (Exchange &
> Outlook Administrator Oct 2002) article 26184 and so far we 
> like it. Now
> it comes down to pushing the "FBPUBLISH" registry change to all the
> win98 machines that we have as I mistakenly took the default time to
> publish of 2 months. Rather than reinvent the wheel, does 
> anyone have a
> script that will do this and be willing to share it with me.
> 
> Also I really enjoyed the MEC this year as it was my first. So much to
> see and do and so little time.
> 
> V/r
> john
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RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button

2002-10-24 Thread Anil A.Hangal
no nedia server or anything. I think the wms spooler is related to windows messaging 
system. This message comes while I try to shutdown the machine. 



-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


You don't have a WMS (Windows Media) server running by any chance, do you?

-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Great...you checked the network settings.  So what?

What else is different between the machines that DO work and the machines
that DON'T?

Is there any Warehouse Management System (WMS) software installed on the the
machines that DON'T work?

Search the log files on the clients that ARE having a problem and let us see
what the errors look like.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button


Shouldn't be. The MAPI spooler is MAPISP32.exe

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> 
> 
> WMS - Windows Messaging Service?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Anil A.Hangal [mailto:A.Hangal@;akbank.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Outlook hangs when you hit send button
> 
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> I had posted this question last week but still the problem persists. I 
> have a EX2k and Win2k Prof and outlook2k (With SP2 applied) at the 
> client side. For few of the clients, after some time outlook stops 
> responding when you hit the send buton. I have checked the network 
> settings and it is no different than the working ones. When I close 
> outlook through task manager, I get a message, "WMS spooler not 
> reponding". Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Anil
> 
> 
> Please note that the former email address with extension 
> @akbankinternational.nl has been changed to @akbank.nl. 
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RE: Orphaned Delegates?

2002-10-24 Thread MS Exchange Mailing List
I am having the same thing happen with Exchange 2k.  Does cleansweep
work for this also?

-Original Message-
From: TM [mailto:tm@;smithlyons.ca] 
Posted At: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:31 AM
Posted To: MS Exchange Mailing List
Conversation: Orphaned Delegates?
Subject: Orphaned Delegates?


Exch 5.5 w/sp4 on NT4.0 
OL2000 

UserA assigns UserB delegate permissions with meeting request
notification, UserB decides to seek greener pastures and leaves the
company, UserB's exchange account gets deleted.

Now... anyone sending a meeting request to UserA gets an NDR re: cannot
deliver to UserB as the recipient name is not recognized.  Even though
UserB is no longer a listed delegate for UserA.

Seems as though Exch is orphaning delegates and perhaps I will have to
actually remove Delegate rights prior to removing exch accounts.

Has anyone seen this or found a nice happy way to deal with this?

Thx!

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RE: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?

2002-10-24 Thread Durkee, Peter
We had one user install it. The good news is that it doesn't hit the GAL, just the 
actual Contacts, and the user in question only had six of them.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 13:38
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?


Had about 3 of them this morning. My users don't have rights to install
software so I was able to stop it that way



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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Durkee, Peter
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?


It seems to be really more of a self-replicating spam. A user gets an
e-card which directs them to a web site to see the card. The site says
they need to install software to see the card. The user installs the
software which has a EULA allowing the software to send e-cards to
everyone in the user's Contacts list. The software then proceeds to do
so.

The full story is at http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99760.htm

I've stopped about 15 of them today. If you can filter on words in the
subject line, you might want to enter the phrase, "you have an E-Card
from".

-Peter


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RE: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?

2002-10-24 Thread blambert
What is the from address?

Bill Lambert
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:DurkeeP@;LanePowell.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?


We had one user install it. The good news is that it doesn't hit the GAL,
just the actual Contacts, and the user in question only had six of them.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 13:38
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?


Had about 3 of them this morning. My users don't have rights to install
software so I was able to stop it that way



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Durkee, Peter
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Anyone else getting this E-card semi virus?


It seems to be really more of a self-replicating spam. A user gets an e-card
which directs them to a web site to see the card. The site says they need to
install software to see the card. The user installs the software which has a
EULA allowing the software to send e-cards to everyone in the user's
Contacts list. The software then proceeds to do so.

The full story is at http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99760.htm

I've stopped about 15 of them today. If you can filter on words in the
subject line, you might want to enter the phrase, "you have an E-Card from".

-Peter


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RE: Strange Outlook problem

2002-10-24 Thread Don Couch
Which is where these messages ended up on my system. It *is* the junk mail filter.

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:cvaglica@;bckpc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Outlook problem


Check your junk mail filters

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From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Strange Outlook problem


I have a strange problem with Outlook 2000. Whenever I receive any message
with the words "Purchase order today" in the body of the email, it
automatically goes from my Inbox into my Deleted Items folder. I reviewed my
rules and it didn't match any of my rules. Furthermore, I disabled all the
rules and it still moves it into the Deleted Items folder. Any ideas ?

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RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs

2002-10-24 Thread Peter Orlowski
Try Microdata's Melia.  www.microdata.com/melia Free eval copy for 30 days I
believe.

-Original Message-
From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:AWILKES@;bordersgroupinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs


No, Promodag charges for the eval also.  >{

I would say look for reporting software rather than trying to use a db.
The reporting software will save you a lot of headaches and look
prettier when you give it to mgmt types.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:36 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Exchange Message Tracking logs
Subject: Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Then as Ali said use Access. Enjoy! Or if this is a one time shot.
Promodag
does have an eval. that works for 15 days?

- Original Message -
From: "Marc Mearns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Tony

Thanks For your response. I did have a look at the product a few years
back
for Exchange 5.5. It was ok and if I recall was not cheap. I can't
really
justify the cost as my requirement is very short term.

Thanks

Regards


 -Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com]
Sent: 24 October 2002 14:22
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange Message Tracking logs

Instead of jumping through all those hoops. Why not by a 3rd party app
to do
that. this one comes to mind but there are many if you look.
www.promodag.com

- Original Message -
From: "Marc Mearns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:03 AM
Subject: Exchange Message Tracking logs


Group

Can any one tell me of a utility or script that I can use to import the
message tracking logs and do minimum sorting of the data (preferably
freeware/shareware).

We can't use Excel because the files are in the region of 80mb and will
be
larger soon. Excel can not handle the amount of records that I am
dealing
with. I tried a freeware utility called CSVDB but was no good for
sorting. I
basically want to be able to manipulate the data. Especially look at the
number of large messages being sent each day.

Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Exchange 2000 SP2
Windows 2000 SP2

Regards

Marc Mearns


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