RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Tener, Richard

No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:35 AM
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Subject: clustering wireless


Hello,

Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to cluster two exchange servers
over a Cisco Aironet 340.

Thanks
Richard

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Chris Scharff

I guess I could be wrong, but I thought Ed was short for Edgar and Dick was
short for Richard. If that's not the case, then people have been calling my
dad by the wrong name for years!

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 1/18/2002 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: clustering wireless

No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front
row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related
to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Andy David

Poor Richard. Can't even get a flame right!


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


I guess I could be wrong, but I thought Ed was short for Edgar and Dick was
short for Richard. If that's not the case, then people have been calling my
dad by the wrong name for years!

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 1/18/2002 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: clustering wireless

No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front
row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related
to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Josefowski, Larry

No. Poor Richard was much smarter.

-Original Message-
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Poor Richard. Can't even get a flame right!


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


I guess I could be wrong, but I thought Ed was short for Edgar and Dick was
short for Richard. If that's not the case, then people have been calling my
dad by the wrong name for years!

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 1/18/2002 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: clustering wireless

No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front
row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related
to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Martin Blackstone

Mmmm flaming Richard

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From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


Poor Richard. Can't even get a flame right!


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


I guess I could be wrong, but I thought Ed was short for Edgar and Dick was
short for Richard. If that's not the case, then people have been calling my
dad by the wrong name for years!

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 1/18/2002 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: clustering wireless

No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Tener, Richard

wooo h

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


Mmmm flaming Richard

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


Poor Richard. Can't even get a flame right!


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


I guess I could be wrong, but I thought Ed was short for Edgar and Dick was
short for Richard. If that's not the case, then people have been calling my
dad by the wrong name for years!

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 1/18/2002 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: clustering wireless

No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Joyce, Louis

Looks like teacher has left the room for a second...

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Network Support Analyst
Exchange Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions




-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 January 2002 14:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


wooo h

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


Mmmm flaming Richard

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


Poor Richard. Can't even get a flame right!


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


I guess I could be wrong, but I thought Ed was short for Edgar and Dick was
short for Richard. If that's not the case, then people have been calling my
dad by the wrong name for years!

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 1/18/2002 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: clustering wireless

No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Hunter, Lori

Well said Daniel.  The only thing you didn't mention (maybe it didn't happen
to you) is that when you want to stop/start a service for a good reason, the
cluster admin sometimes finds that as a reason to failover the whole darn
server.

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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:32 AM
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Subject: RE: clustering wireless


exchange + mscs = sleep deprivation

look forward to cluster services failing for no apparent reason, exchange
services not responding properly to actions in cluster administrator,
dubious failover etc etc

in 4 months with the cluster we had plenty of downtime during working hours,
terrible. Since trashing the cluster and using the two servers as seperate
exchange servers in the same site, we've had no downtime, and both servers
are busy delivering mail instead of one just sitting there waiting to not
work when called upon.

while i'm on the subject, does anyone know the correct way to get exchange
databases (particularly the directory i think) to forget that they are part
of a clustered exchange server? . The problem is that the IMS won't install
on a clean, non-clustered exchange server with restored databases from a
clustered exchange server. It throws an error saying the cluster services
aren't installed, so there must be something in the databases that tells
exchange it should be on a cluster.

i couldn't figure it out, so ended up migrating users to another server
using ed's server move method.

dan.

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Jennifer Baker

If I throw a stick, will you go away?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: clustering wireless


Hello,

Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to cluster two exchange servers
over a Cisco Aironet 340.

Thanks
Richard

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-18 Thread Andy David

Make it so Number 1.


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Subject: RE: clustering wireless


If I throw a stick, will you go away?

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


No dick it wasnt me 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: clustering wireless


You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: clustering wireless


Hello,

Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to cluster two exchange servers
over a Cisco Aironet 340.

Thanks
Richard

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Kevin Miller

Mscs??? The only good cluster in exchange is a single node cluster.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.


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Hello,

Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to cluster two exchange
servers over a Cisco Aironet 340.  

Thanks 
Richard

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Tener, Richard

Kevin do you know any good documentation for beginners to set up two
exchange servers for clustering

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Mscs??? The only good cluster in exchange is a single node cluster.

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Andy David

Sounds like a cluster fsck


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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Andy David

Beginners shouldn't be setting up clustering.


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Kevin do you know any good documentation for beginners to set up two
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Kevin Miller

Best documentation. Don’t do it.

What do you plan on gaining?

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RE: clustering wireless

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This is just a bad idea.  A cluster across a shared 11mbs link while
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Tener, Richard

no im not trying to set it up i want to get a solution on how we are going
to connect the two buildings wireless with failover


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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Tener, Richard

so i should get another t1 or possible fiber line/

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RE: clustering wireless

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Milton R Dogg

That is what happens when you use the words cluster and exchange in the
same post.

Milton R Dogg
Of The Dogg Foundation..

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Bob Sadler

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread tweid

Fiber would be the way to go.  It is secure, not suseptable to
Electromagnetic interferance, and with ethernet protocols you will more
than likely meet any speed and distance requirements.

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Andy David

I would go with the fiber. I'm guessing you could use a good bowl of
oatmeal.


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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Tener, Richard

nice and crunchy with a good shine too it.

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Kevin Lundy

Remember, with MS clustering, you will need a shared storage array.  That
most likely means you would need fiber between the buildings.  There are
also 3rd party packages that claim to do clustering over a WAN without a
shared array.

Maybe you should take a step back and really decide if you need true
failover.  I think most people on this list will tell you that clusters
aren't worth the effort - there are better ways to ensure availability.

Remember also with a cluster, if you corrupt the database, you corrupt the
database :-) Having a cluster doesn't protect you against the corruption.

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no im not trying to set it up i want to get a solution on how we are going
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Seitz, Peter

Trust us on this one, clustering won't buy you a thing. I inherited a
clustered
exchange server here at work and Kevin is right, when the Db is corrupt, 
you're toast. Simple as that. Stick with Raid level redundancy, backups,
and a recovery server.

Peter Seitz
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Tener, Richard

So the best bet would get another server in the other building with a new
site to cut down on the existing server load.  And of course move over some
one companys mailboxes because there is two companys on one server right
now.  And get a phat tape drive to backup up my DB.

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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: clustering wireless


Trust us on this one, clustering won't buy you a thing. I inherited a
clustered
exchange server here at work and Kevin is right, when the Db is corrupt, 
you're toast. Simple as that. Stick with Raid level redundancy, backups,
and a recovery server.

Peter Seitz
Operating Systems Analyst
Cubic Corporation
San Diego, Ca. 92021
(858) 505-2724



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Hello,

Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to cluster two exchange servers
over a Cisco Aironet 340.  

Thanks 
Richard

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Chris Scharff

Sites with buildings as a boundary? Generally, no that wouldn't be a best
bet. Unless the building happen to be on separate continents.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:29 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: clustering wireless
 
 
 So the best bet would get another server in the other 
 building with a new site to cut down on the existing server 
 load.  And of course move over some one companys mailboxes 
 because there is two companys on one server right now.  And 
 get a phat tape drive to backup up my DB.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Seitz, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:14 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: clustering wireless
 
 
 Trust us on this one, clustering won't buy you a thing. I 
 inherited a clustered exchange server here at work and Kevin 
 is right, when the Db is corrupt, 
 you're toast. Simple as that. Stick with Raid level 
 redundancy, backups, and a recovery server.
 
 Peter Seitz
 Operating Systems Analyst
 Cubic Corporation
 San Diego, Ca. 92021
 (858) 505-2724
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:35 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: clustering wireless
 
 
 Hello,
 
   Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a 
 wireless bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to 
 cluster two exchange servers over a Cisco Aironet 340.  
 
 Thanks 
 Richard

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Joyce, Louis

All part of disaster recovery. Have you read the Disaster Recovery White
Paper?

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Network Support Analyst
Exchange Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions




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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Milton R Dogg

No. 

Milton R Dogg
Of The Dogg Foundation..

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Tener, Richard

no, a little 

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No. 

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Of The Dogg Foundation..

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Josefowski, Larry

Richard,

I detect a trend in your posts...have you read the Disaster Recovery
White Paper by MS?  Reading it would give you a good understanding of the
issues that your questions indicate you have...

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

exchange + mscs = sleep deprivation

look forward to cluster services failing for no apparent reason, exchange
services not responding properly to actions in cluster administrator,
dubious failover etc etc

in 4 months with the cluster we had plenty of downtime during working hours,
terrible. Since trashing the cluster and using the two servers as seperate
exchange servers in the same site, we've had no downtime, and both servers
are busy delivering mail instead of one just sitting there waiting to not
work when called upon.

while i'm on the subject, does anyone know the correct way to get exchange
databases (particularly the directory i think) to forget that they are part
of a clustered exchange server? . The problem is that the IMS won't install
on a clean, non-clustered exchange server with restored databases from a
clustered exchange server. It throws an error saying the cluster services
aren't installed, so there must be something in the databases that tells
exchange it should be on a cluster.

i couldn't figure it out, so ended up migrating users to another server
using ed's server move method.

dan.

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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Chris Scharff

Isn't this a new topic (hence worthy of a new subject line)? There are a
number of high availability solutions, some of them are even listed in the
weblinks section of www.mail-resources.com, but there's still no substitute
for planning, testing and documenting disaster recovery procedures.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:41 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: clustering wireless
 
 
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 same netowrk so if one fails I can take the tape backup from 
 the other server and just put the info on the other server 
 temporarily.  So if one building went on fire and the server 
 got fried can I take the information from the tape and put it 
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Milton R Dogg

Read these.. Then let us know what you think about that question.

5.5 DR white paper
http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto
re.asp

2k DR white paper
http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a
sp

Milton R Dogg
Of The Dogg Foundation..

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no, a little 

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No. 

Milton R Dogg
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Neil Hobson

You could get some of the way in E2k, providing you were running E2k
Enterprise on both servers and the mailbox stores on each server had
different names.  If one mailbox store died (or the server died) you
could re-create that mailbox store on the remaining server and restore
(then reconnect the mailboxes, etc).  At least, in some initial testing
I did on this, it seemed to work.  But I wouldn't recommend it.

Neil Hobson

Silversands
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Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
For Enterprise Systems
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Andy David

or competence.


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Isn't this a new topic (hence worthy of a new subject line)? There are a
number of high availability solutions, some of them are even listed in the
weblinks section of www.mail-resources.com, but there's still no substitute
for planning, testing and documenting disaster recovery procedures.

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 -Original Message-
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 Subject: clustering wireless
 
 
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Re: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Jean-Francois Bourdeau

Read a little bit more

Wireless for now can be easily hacked.

It's a gift for hacker.

IF you use wireless, use stgrong encryption within it.

IPSEC, PPTP or (TSL, please correct me if I'M wrong, TLS is one of the
encryption to use to link 2 exchange ? )

SO if you go wireless, use encryption and WireLess device that change the
WEP encryption key dynamically

JF

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 no im not trying to set it up i want to get a solution on how we are going
 to connect the two buildings wireless with failover


 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: clustering wireless


 Sounds like a cluster fsck


 -Original Message-
 From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:35 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: clustering wireless


 Hello,

 Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
 bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to cluster two exchange servers
 over a Cisco Aironet 340.

 Thanks
 Richard

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Re: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Guy

Along those lines, anyone know where I can find docs on wireless security on
a Windows LAN? Things like setting up certs, WEP encryption info, what the
dif is between 40-bit and 128-bit, how a Win2k Cert server can help, etc...

- Original Message -
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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: clustering wireless


 Read a little bit more

 Wireless for now can be easily hacked.

 It's a gift for hacker.

 IF you use wireless, use stgrong encryption within it.

 IPSEC, PPTP or (TSL, please correct me if I'M wrong, TLS is one of the
 encryption to use to link 2 exchange ? )

 SO if you go wireless, use encryption and WireLess device that change the
 WEP encryption key dynamically

 JF

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 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:49 AM
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  no im not trying to set it up i want to get a solution on how we are
going
  to connect the two buildings wireless with failover
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:37 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: clustering wireless
 
 
  Sounds like a cluster fsck
 
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:35 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: clustering wireless
 
 
  Hello,
 
  Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
  bridge.  I was wondering if it is possible to cluster two exchange
servers
  over a Cisco Aironet 340.
 
  Thanks
  Richard
 
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RE: clustering wireless

2002-01-17 Thread Ed Crowley

You're an idea guy, aren't you, Richard?

I think I've met you before.  You go to MCP classes and sit in the front row
and constantly ask the teacher about things that aren't remotely related to
the course subject, causing lengthy hours-long digressions.  You ask
questions like, What happens if I try to run my Exchange server on a
MacIntosh? or What would happen if I moved my information store to
DECTape?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


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Hello,

Has anyone ever set MCSC between two building over a wireless
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Thanks
Richard

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