Re: [expert] corrupt isapnp.conf was Sound changes permissions

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, WH Bouterse wrote:

> At some point several days ago a perfectly functioning L-M 6.1, with
> AWE32
> ceased to function. As frequently happens I assumed it was only a 
> permission problem.  Many of you helped me out and offered many ideas
> and suggestion.
> I very much appreciate your help.!!!
> Permissions were only part of it.
> 
> At some point the /etc/isapnp.conf was corrupted
> I have no idea how or why this happened. reboot gave me new strange
> dmesg errors
> Re: Sound and isapnp.conf errors. 
> 
> Bizarre uncommented lines whcih should have been commented out appeared.
> Commenting these back out and rebooting (There is a way to do this
> without always rebooting but I never remember), FINALLY at least gave me
> sound in root.
> Now we get to the permissions probs and PAM but thats another post!
> 
> I still get a "SB16: Bad or missing 16 bit DMA channel" which was never
> there
> before but at least Sound was back.

from isapnp, or from the sound module?
 
> If anyone can shed any Light on this one it would be appreciated. This
> has NEVER
> happened in several years of Linux stumbling :-) (with a variety of Snd
> Cards)
> What would cause isapnp.conf to change unbeknownst to me?

Are you sure it was the file that changed (as in some comment was no
longer a comment), and that it wasn't just PnP bios being a b**ch and
changeing things cause it felt like it. Restroom breaks with toddlers
present has been known to cause such things also :)

> William Bouterse
> Juneau, Alaska
> 

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Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[David van Balen]

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Ramon Gandia wrote:

> 
> Corel is a respectable name in computing.  Let us wish them
> well.  Heck, I may even try it myself...
> 


wonder if it'll run under vmware...

DvB



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[expert] corrupt isapnp.conf was Sound changes permissions

[WH Bouterse]

At some point several days ago a perfectly functioning L-M 6.1, with
AWE32
ceased to function. As frequently happens I assumed it was only a 
permission problem.  Many of you helped me out and offered many ideas
and suggestion.
I very much appreciate your help.!!!
Permissions were only part of it.

At some point the /etc/isapnp.conf was corrupted
I have no idea how or why this happened. reboot gave me new strange
dmesg errors
Re: Sound and isapnp.conf errors. 

Bizarre uncommented lines whcih should have been commented out appeared.
Commenting these back out and rebooting (There is a way to do this
without always rebooting but I never remember), FINALLY at least gave me
sound in root.
Now we get to the permissions probs and PAM but thats another post!

I still get a "SB16: Bad or missing 16 bit DMA channel" which was never
there
before but at least Sound was back.

If anyone can shed any Light on this one it would be appreciated. This
has NEVER
happened in several years of Linux stumbling :-) (with a variety of Snd
Cards)
What would cause isapnp.conf to change unbeknownst to me?

William Bouterse
Juneau, Alaska

Re: [expert] Problems building kernel 2.2.13-22mdk

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Ivan J. Wagner wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Rob Steele wrote:
> > 
> > > This is my first attempt to compile the the kernel so I'm probably doing
> > > something stupid.  I have two problems:
> > > 
> > > I get a linker error that goes away if I disable "PII/PIII Extended Fast
> > > FPU save and restore support"
> > > 
> > > init/main.o: In function `check_fpu':
> > > init/main.o(.text.init+0x25): undefined reference to
> > > `__buggy_fxsr_alignment'
> > > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
> 
> I just wrote about this two days ago: deselect "Enable PII/PIII Extended
> Fast FPU save and restore support" under "Processor type and features"
>  
> > This ones been reported and well documented, I believe alan's removed this
> > from the ac patches (30mdk, is latest if my memory serves me) 
> 
> Well it took me a while to figure this out.  It still listed as an open
> bug on Mandrake bug page (Bug #402 for package: kernel sources).  I
> searched the archives of this mailing list and the newbie list and found
> nothing.  Nobody knew about it when I e-mailed and asked.  I found the
> answer searching alt.os.linux.mandrake

It will be closed when an update for the current release is made
available. I would wage if it was compiled with egcs it would actualy
compile, but like i said I believe alan has removed this from the ac
patches.
 
> where is this 30mdk kernel?  If it is Cooker then are you saying that (in
> general I should have no problems with a Cooker kernel)?

either in cooker or sitting at some pc in the office waiting for chmouel
to catch enough z's tobe effective again.

I run it daily as do many people, we maintain no garuntees however 

> btw, if I replace the config file in the kernel.src.rpm package and
> compile it with rpm -bb kernel.spec should I have any problems?

Don't forget the "--target" and egcs is the recommended compiler.

> > > The pcmcia stuff doesn't install in /lib/modules/2.2.13.[blah].  I got
> > > around that by downloading a later version of pcmcia (3.1.4) but then
> > > the network doesn't work (where it does work with the precompiled
> > > kernel).  /var/log/messages reports errors like:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Nov 19 15:20:25 shem kernel: eth0: Transmit timed out, status 6066,
> > > CSR12 00c2, resetting... 
> > 
> > Looks like a tulip to me, hardset the media via the modules options=, also
> > setting csr0=0x800 (it gets autoset if you -D__i386__), also the diag 
> > utils from dbecker, should track this one down 
> >  
> > > Any insight into these problems would be much appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Rob
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm doing this on a Dell Inspiron 7000 with a 400MHz PII & 256MB.  The
> > > network interface is a Xircom CardBus Ethernet 10/100 + Modem.  I'm
> > > running Mandrake 6.1 with all current updates.
> > > 
> > > Here's my .config file:
> > [snip] 
> > 
> 

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Re: [expert] Better upgrade

[Axalon Bloodstone]

Everybody else feel free to pipe in, the cc: should be the the correct
list for those that would like tobe envloved indepth, I'm not sure ATM if
it's managed by majordomo or sympa so check the website for specific
instructions..

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote:
> >  Have a try at rpm -F, and we'd love input on how you'd like to see it
> > improved
>
>   I'd like to perform the upgrade on a running system, have it act
> just as though I'd booted off the floppy (and not give me any complaints
> about upgrading in the proper order--i.e., just like the floppy-boot) and
> I'd like it to leave a log file of all actions and possible warning
> messages in /tmp/upgrade-[version].log so I can see what happened.
>
>   I'd like it to give me the same graphical text-mode output as the
> boot-floppy (i.e., something like you see when you run "setup", blue
> background, red buttons, etc.) but I want to see it through a telnet
> session.  I should get the same lilo configuration prompts, etc.  When the
> upgrade is complete, I want a message that says:

The install has been redone, so it will check for $DISPLAY if it's set and
works it will run the graphical DrakX, otherwise the text based DrakX
 
> ---
> Your upgrade to Mandrake 7.0 is complete.  The next time you reboot, you
> will be running on the new Linux kernel, 2.4.4ac-mdk.
> 
> You can reboot your system now, or continue running on the old kernel.
> What would you like to do?
> 
> |Restart Now| |Restart Later|
> ---
> 
>   Finally, if the O.S.-level upgrade has serious kernel-level
> changes that REQUIRE a reboot (such as the kernel PPP interface has
> changed again or the libc vendor has changed again) then I'd like to see
> (at the beginning):
> 
> ---
>   WARNING: Upgrading your system to Mandrake 7.0 requires rebooting
> your computer!  Make sure you have saved all your files and are ready to
> reboot before performing this upgrade, because you will be forced to
> restart if you continue!
> 
> |Continue with Upgrade|   |Quit|
> ---
> 
>   ...and then at the end...
> 
> ---
> Your upgrade to Mandrake 7.0 is complete.  The next time you reboot, you
> will be running on the new Linux kernel, 2.4.4ac-mdk.
> 
> I'm afraid that the upgrade to Mandrake 7.0 requires you to reboot your
> computer, because certain programs need features of the new kernel in
> order to function properly.
> 
> 
> |Restart Now|
> ---

You will always be required reboot, any attempt to load a module
afterwards will not work as the files will have been deleted.
 
>   When I upgraded a client to Redhat from 4.x to 5.x (can't remember
> minor versions) the default sendmail configuration file changed to
> disallow any non-enumerated hosts from sending mail through it.  
> Suddenly, everybody's email broke, and they're looking at me because they
> know I broke it.  A log file or warning message telling me where to look
> would have saved a couple of hours of panic (I don't know very much about
> sendmail configuration files).

rpm -q --changelog `rpm -qf /etc/some_config.file`

I don't have sendmail installed right this second, but i bet it was
documented in the rpms changelog. Sounds to me like there is a need to be
able to "diff" the --changelog and create a summary per package

>   Finally, all the prompts presented by this "upgrade" program
> should have command-line defaults.  I.e., if I have a beowulf cluster, I
> should be able to run:

Easy replication is already implemented with auto_inst.cfg.pl, cmd line
overides should be trivial
 
> mandrake-sysupgrade ftp://ftp.foo.bar/pub/Mandrake \
> --lilo=master_boot_record --Xconfig=use_old_config_file --reboot=automatic
> 
>   ...and then run this single command on all the computers.
> Something like Redhat's KickStart, I guess (I've never used KickStart).
> 
>   Does that sound reasonable?  Should be easy to implement with
> existing RPM commands, yes?

Yep,
cc:'d to relative list :) 
 
> --Derek
> 

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Re: [expert] Better upgrade

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote:

> > rpm -F ~ftp/pub/mirrors/(release)/Mandrake/RPMS/*.rpm 
> > (personaly i do mine a portion at a time)
> 
>   ...Hmm, this will really perform a "full" OS version update?
> I.e., from 6.0 to 6.1?  And not just update the relevant packages while
> keeping a 6.0 base system?

6.0 to 6.1, yes 
 
>   I always assumed that there was some "additional" stuff that got
> upgraded, besides just the packages, when you used the floppy disk.  Like
> maybe the stuff in the /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/base directory, or some of the
> other base system stuff.

Nope

>   Will the above command take care of more serious upgrades, like
> when Redhat jumped from libc5 to glibc?  Or when the kernel started using
> a different tty system and many of the files in the /dev directory had
> their major/minor numbers changed?  Would the above command move a Redhat
> 5.2 system to a Mandrake 6.1 system?

libc5 to glibc, would be very very ugly. kernel no problem (don't forget
lilo). dev entries also no problem.

Redhat 5.2 to Mandrake 6.1, Yes if done piece meal  
 
>   Finally, when you issue rpm -F *.rpm, I assume the packages are
> upgraded in alphabetical order...?  Will the "rpm" command handle bulk
> upgrades that must happen in a particular order, i.e., upgrade the GTK+
> packages before upgrade Gimp packages?  Or am I forced to use the --nodeps
> option when doing complete system upgrades with rpm -F?

the parameters would be given in alphabetical order yes, but rpm will
reorder most of them (alas, not all it's not perfect)
 
>   If this really works the same as booting off the floppy, I'll be
> shocked, amazed, and very grateful.  I've used RPM to update my system
> often, but I've always thought that would only give me a "Redhat 5.2
> system" with recent package updates (instead of a "Mandrake 6.1 system").

Not exactly like the floppy but for the most part. Well whats different
between the two.. Mainly the versions of things and lack of kde and gnome,
the installer was modified between these versions to ask if it should
install them upon upgrade. So if gnome/kde is your reason for upgradeing
from rh5.2, you'll need install these manualy. Judeging from the fact you
have to drive i assume it's a server and you just want recent everything
you already have, which is what -F does  

> --Derek
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] Better upgrade

[Derek Simkowiak]

>  Have a try at rpm -F, and we'd love input on how you'd like to see it
> improved

I'd like to perform the upgrade on a running system, have it act
just as though I'd booted off the floppy (and not give me any complaints
about upgrading in the proper order--i.e., just like the floppy-boot) and
I'd like it to leave a log file of all actions and possible warning
messages in /tmp/upgrade-[version].log so I can see what happened.

I'd like it to give me the same graphical text-mode output as the
boot-floppy (i.e., something like you see when you run "setup", blue
background, red buttons, etc.) but I want to see it through a telnet
session.  I should get the same lilo configuration prompts, etc.  When the
upgrade is complete, I want a message that says:

---
Your upgrade to Mandrake 7.0 is complete.  The next time you reboot, you
will be running on the new Linux kernel, 2.4.4ac-mdk.

You can reboot your system now, or continue running on the old kernel.
What would you like to do?

|Restart Now|   |Restart Later|
---

Finally, if the O.S.-level upgrade has serious kernel-level
changes that REQUIRE a reboot (such as the kernel PPP interface has
changed again or the libc vendor has changed again) then I'd like to see
(at the beginning):

---
WARNING: Upgrading your system to Mandrake 7.0 requires rebooting
your computer!  Make sure you have saved all your files and are ready to
reboot before performing this upgrade, because you will be forced to
restart if you continue!

|Continue with Upgrade| |Quit|
---

...and then at the end...

---
Your upgrade to Mandrake 7.0 is complete.  The next time you reboot, you
will be running on the new Linux kernel, 2.4.4ac-mdk.

I'm afraid that the upgrade to Mandrake 7.0 requires you to reboot your
computer, because certain programs need features of the new kernel in
order to function properly.


|Restart Now|
---


When I upgraded a client to Redhat from 4.x to 5.x (can't remember
minor versions) the default sendmail configuration file changed to
disallow any non-enumerated hosts from sending mail through it.  
Suddenly, everybody's email broke, and they're looking at me because they
know I broke it.  A log file or warning message telling me where to look
would have saved a couple of hours of panic (I don't know very much about
sendmail configuration files).

Finally, all the prompts presented by this "upgrade" program
should have command-line defaults.  I.e., if I have a beowulf cluster, I
should be able to run:


mandrake-sysupgrade ftp://ftp.foo.bar/pub/Mandrake \
--lilo=master_boot_record --Xconfig=use_old_config_file --reboot=automatic

...and then run this single command on all the computers.
Something like Redhat's KickStart, I guess (I've never used KickStart).

Does that sound reasonable?  Should be easy to implement with
existing RPM commands, yes?


--Derek

Re: [expert] Problems building kernel 2.2.13-22mdk

[Ivan J. Wagner]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Rob Steele wrote:
> 
> > This is my first attempt to compile the the kernel so I'm probably doing
> > something stupid.  I have two problems:
> > 
> > I get a linker error that goes away if I disable "PII/PIII Extended Fast
> > FPU save and restore support"
> > 
> > init/main.o: In function `check_fpu':
> > init/main.o(.text.init+0x25): undefined reference to
> > `__buggy_fxsr_alignment'
> > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1

I just wrote about this two days ago: deselect "Enable PII/PIII Extended
Fast FPU save and restore support" under "Processor type and features"
 
> This ones been reported and well documented, I believe alan's removed this
> from the ac patches (30mdk, is latest if my memory serves me) 

Well it took me a while to figure this out.  It still listed as an open
bug on Mandrake bug page (Bug #402 for package: kernel sources).  I
searched the archives of this mailing list and the newbie list and found
nothing.  Nobody knew about it when I e-mailed and asked.  I found the
answer searching alt.os.linux.mandrake

where is this 30mdk kernel?  If it is Cooker then are you saying that (in
general I should have no problems with a Cooker kernel)?

btw, if I replace the config file in the kernel.src.rpm package and
compile it with rpm -bb kernel.spec should I have any problems?

> > The pcmcia stuff doesn't install in /lib/modules/2.2.13.[blah].  I got
> > around that by downloading a later version of pcmcia (3.1.4) but then
> > the network doesn't work (where it does work with the precompiled
> > kernel).  /var/log/messages reports errors like:
> > 
> > 
> > Nov 19 15:20:25 shem kernel: eth0: Transmit timed out, status 6066,
> > CSR12 00c2, resetting... 
> 
> Looks like a tulip to me, hardset the media via the modules options=, also
> setting csr0=0x800 (it gets autoset if you -D__i386__), also the diag 
> utils from dbecker, should track this one down 
>  
> > Any insight into these problems would be much appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm doing this on a Dell Inspiron 7000 with a 400MHz PII & 256MB.  The
> > network interface is a Xircom CardBus Ethernet 10/100 + Modem.  I'm
> > running Mandrake 6.1 with all current updates.
> > 
> > Here's my .config file:
> [snip] 
> 

Re: [expert] Better upgrade

[Derek Simkowiak]

> rpm -F ~ftp/pub/mirrors/(release)/Mandrake/RPMS/*.rpm 
> (personaly i do mine a portion at a time)

...Hmm, this will really perform a "full" OS version update?
I.e., from 6.0 to 6.1?  And not just update the relevant packages while
keeping a 6.0 base system?

I always assumed that there was some "additional" stuff that got
upgraded, besides just the packages, when you used the floppy disk.  Like
maybe the stuff in the /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/base directory, or some of the
other base system stuff.

Will the above command take care of more serious upgrades, like
when Redhat jumped from libc5 to glibc?  Or when the kernel started using
a different tty system and many of the files in the /dev directory had
their major/minor numbers changed?  Would the above command move a Redhat
5.2 system to a Mandrake 6.1 system?

Finally, when you issue rpm -F *.rpm, I assume the packages are
upgraded in alphabetical order...?  Will the "rpm" command handle bulk
upgrades that must happen in a particular order, i.e., upgrade the GTK+
packages before upgrade Gimp packages?  Or am I forced to use the --nodeps
option when doing complete system upgrades with rpm -F?

If this really works the same as booting off the floppy, I'll be
shocked, amazed, and very grateful.  I've used RPM to update my system
often, but I've always thought that would only give me a "Redhat 5.2
system" with recent package updates (instead of a "Mandrake 6.1 system").

--Derek

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Ramon Gandia]

Way I see it, the $50 per incident is fine.  You are not
forced to take it.  There is plenty of Linux help on the
internet, and no doubt Corel will have its mailing lists
and share of gurus on it.

The pay-per-incident is an option, valuable to some people,
mostly first time users, or corporations who need to have
a "bottom line" for support rather than some vague '...get
support from the internet...'

I think it is a fine idea for Corel to come into the Linux
fold.  Their version is still 1.0 and I am sure that you 
will see quick evolvement, even before the first official
for-sale release.  The package that bundles WP8, Netscape
etc. is simply dynamite.  I LOVE the install options of
"wipe windows".  Hehehehe.  And no doubt you will see all
sorts of new computers selling with your CHOICE of Corel
Linux or Windows 98or even BOTH preinstalled.

Corel is a respectable name in computing.  Let us wish them
well.  Heck, I may even try it myself...

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Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Arandir]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, ibi wrote:
> I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me. 

The target audience for CorelLinux is the business desktop, not the home user.
Now go check out what Linuxcare is charging per hour per incidence.

-- 
Arandir...
___

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Herman Van Keer (softouch) wrote:

> Felipe Almeida wrote:
> 
> > > I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> > > hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
> > >
> > > Pj
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Yes, I have to agree! It's a bit expensive for support on Linux. Most of the
> > support you can find  in the Net.
> 
> That means basically you do have options:
> -your search (takes some time) to find the answer on the net
> -you do not have time (or do not want to search the net): you pay and get
> -hopefully- instantaneous help
> -you install another version of Linux;-)

Just a note but, I've yet to see any company that give free support
 
> Isn't that just fun, having all those options;-)
> Herman
> 
> 

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[expert] Disabling PAM for Home Use

[WH Bouterse]

Okay this will probably raise the Ire of some Sys Admins!

Basically for a home 24/7 machine with Basic Firewall, hosts.allow,
hosts.deny
Port Sentry, etc setup.

Husband and wife users

I often have several sessions running simultaniously on the same
hardware.
Permissions seemed to change almost at random and usually when I'm right
in
the middle of trying to decipher some complicated new program for some
device
that suddenly disappears or quits working.

Some day I may have public login access and multiple
unknown/untrusworthy 
individuals lurking in my "Server". Right now that is not the case.
If someone is bored and determined enough to hack into my system as it
now stands,
then PAM will certainly not stop them.

I would like to disable pam.console module and get back to "the good old
days"
of Linux innoncence and vulnerability.

How would I do that without making everyone mad at my "Enormous
Stupidity and naïveté"
as it was once called during the heyday of free and open everything.

William "the Jaded yet Trusting" Bouterse
Juneau, Alaska

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[ibi]

Considering the price of support through this mail list, I'd say it was
more like highway robbery *grin*

Jim Vaughan

And probably not as nearly expert as this group!  I started out with
a 286 and WP5.1 for DOS and I liked it. I was forced to change to
Word6.0 which I did NOT like at all. IBM sold WP to ? who sold it to
Corel. Word was updated to Office97. I decided to go back to WP and
loaded Corel8 in W95. It crashed worse than Office97, and after a
frustrating failure of uninstalling it, I reformatted. 

About 2 months ago I had enough of Office97 crashes and installed
StarOffice. It works great and hasn't caused one problem. I look forward
to the same when I it on Mandrake. I'm ready for some real stability.  

Pj 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] Netscape 4.7 (128 bit) URL display works on windows not on Linux

[Bill&Virginia Hodges]

Did you get a picture in the background kinda like a
water mark?

Re: [expert] Netscape 4.7 (128 bit) URL display works on windows not on Linux

[Bill&Virginia Hodges]

I downloaded the 128 bit encryption from Netecapes site
and it get past the 128 bit test when the one shipped
with my Mandrake 6.1 does not.

Re: [expert] Better upgrade

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote:

> > > As it is, "Upgrade" does more-or-less an "rpm -U " and one has to hope
> > > everything goes well - which it does not, as I have painfully found out.
> 
> > Completely agree here. You could add this to the list of problems: in
> 
>   What bugs me is needing to be physically in front of the machine
> (with boot floppy in hand) to do an upgrade.
> 
>   I have many Redhat systems sitting in client's offices, working as
> webservers, email, bind, etc.  It's a real pain to drive out there to do
> an upgrade.  Many of these machines have T1 connectivity--I should be able
> to do a full upgrade remotely.

rpm -F ~ftp/pub/mirrors/(release)/Mandrake/RPMS/*.rpm 
(personaly i do mine a portion at a time)
 
>   It would only be worse for a Beowulf cluster or web server farm.

same thing, just and a 
for host in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do 
(ssh -lroot $host -c "rpm -F ~blah/blah/*.rpm")
done
or something similar. 

Were i to have a cluster here it would sync from a test machine
everything but machine specific config files after testing was completed


>   For that reason alone, I think I am going to start using Debian.

You still gotta drive to install that, (always buged me to try and find
that many d**med floppys) We'll be look at a better interface for upgrades
than manual frubing your way thru rpm -F *.rpm soon, it does work but it's
not quite for the faint of heart. Trying it via rpm -U is even more time
consumeing...  Have a try at rpm -F, and we'd love input on how you'd like
to see it improved

> --Derek
> 

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--Axalon

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Sevatio Octavio]

Tech support @ $50/hr is a little high.  Maybe $25/hr would be alright.  But you're 
right, this mailing list takes care of most
problems so we shouldn't ever have to whipout our visa/mc.  Well, they gotta make a 
living somehow.  Remember windows?  M$ would not
provide free help as long as your Windows if OEM (which most are).

One thing though, what Corel offers is quite barebones compared to other releases.  
What's the incentive to buy/use Corel?  Is it
the ease of install?

Seve

-Original Message-
From: Jim Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Corel Linux


>ibi wrote:
>
>> I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
>> hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
>>
>> Pj
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Considering the price of support through this mail list, I'd say it was
>more like highway robbery *grin*
>
>Jim Vaughan
>
>
>

Re: [expert] Problems building kernel 2.2.13-22mdk

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Rob Steele wrote:

> This is my first attempt to compile the the kernel so I'm probably doing
> something stupid.  I have two problems:
> 
> I get a linker error that goes away if I disable "PII/PIII Extended Fast
> FPU save and restore support"
> 
> init/main.o: In function `check_fpu':
> init/main.o(.text.init+0x25): undefined reference to
> `__buggy_fxsr_alignment'
> make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1

This ones been reported and well documented, I believe alan's removed this
from the ac patches (30mdk, is latest if my memory serves me) 
 
> The pcmcia stuff doesn't install in /lib/modules/2.2.13.[blah].  I got
> around that by downloading a later version of pcmcia (3.1.4) but then
> the network doesn't work (where it does work with the precompiled
> kernel).  /var/log/messages reports errors like:
> 
> 
> Nov 19 15:20:25 shem kernel: eth0: Transmit timed out, status 6066,
> CSR12 00c2, resetting... 

Looks like a tulip to me, hardset the media via the modules options=, also
setting csr0=0x800 (it gets autoset if you -D__i386__), also the diag 
utils from dbecker, should track this one down 
 
> Any insight into these problems would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> I'm doing this on a Dell Inspiron 7000 with a 400MHz PII & 256MB.  The
> network interface is a Xircom CardBus Ethernet 10/100 + Modem.  I'm
> running Mandrake 6.1 with all current updates.
> 
> Here's my .config file:
[snip] 

Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Dan Swartzendruber wrote:

> At 04:06 PM 11/19/99 +0100, Jean-Louis Debert wrote:
> >Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:
> >> Exactly! It is stupid and simple - I did it - but...
> >> But do not work
> >> Linux don`t want to boot (not install) from this disk! (when plugged to
> >> ATA/66)
> >> It`s hanged after recognition of IDE controlers. Kernel can see the HPT366
> >> controler correctly, see the disks, but cannot see the partitions etc.
> >> 
> >> Any idea?
> >
> >Well, maybe you have to activate something in the BIOS to let it boot
> >on this controller ... or rather, to tell the BIOS that the _primary_
> >IDE interface (ide0) should be the HPT366, not the Intel BX.
> >Just guessing, I really don't know ...
> 
> What motherboard?  Some of them treat the HP366 as a SCSI controller (in
> terms of boot order, etc...)
> 
 
latest bios has the option to switch the EXT boot order from scsi to
udma66. Read the howto, and the conversation between me and Steve from the
archives, if you still have problems lets us know

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

[devel] Re: [expert] two bugs in M6.1 and a whish

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Denis Havlik wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I have found two X- (kde-) related bugs in mandrake:
> 
> 1) in kde, screen locking does not work properly with NIS accounts.
> 
>   current solution is setting the kcheckpass "suid root".

I've yet to set this up localy, they've got a test setup at the office.
We'll have a look
 
> 2) Users are not warned that they have to change passwords,
> because the passwd is going to expire soon. I have heard that this
> condition even crashes xdm, but have not verified it since I use kdm.   

yikes, i wonder who over looked that. don't login via console and it never
tells you the pass is going to expire =X 
 
>   My current attempt at a solution is checking for this condition in 
>   "Give console". However it seams as if the kdm would ignore the
>   "GiveConsole". Any ideas?

should be trivial to get kdm to use GiveConsole, Mosfet?

> +
> My whish would be to check for the existence of "./ssh/identity" and
> "ssh-agent" in (standard) Xsession. If both are found, one should exec
> 
> "ssh-agent startkde" 
> 
> instead of just "startkde" in the "Xsession". Same with the gnome/Wm & co.
> 
> I can post my altered "Xsession" which does exactly this if you are
> willing to give it a try.  

Sure send it, I will see to integrate it with initscripts and others so we
can make it an option in /etc/sysconfig to force it system wide or make it
a per-user option

> Yours
>   Denis
> 
> P.S. Sorry for cross-posting. I think this is interesting for both mailing
> lists, and I am not sure how many people actually subscribe both of them,
> or where to post in order to reach both developers and "experts".
> -
> Mag. Denis Havlik  
> University of Vienna||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Austria(@ @)   tel: (++431) 4277/51179 
> ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
> 

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Herman Van Keer (softouch)]

Alex V Flinsch wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote:
> >
> > That means basically you do have options:
> > -your search (takes some time) to find the answer on the net
>
> Of course if your question is "How do get my new linux-only machine online?"
> that is not always an option...

That was the fourth option   ;-)
You definitely need a good friend to help you out - maybe he has a working M$
Windoze box with click and pray operating system

Oh about the fifth one: -join a LUG   ;-)

TTYL
Herman

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Jim Vaughan]

ibi wrote:

> I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
>
> Pj
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Considering the price of support through this mail list, I'd say it was
more like highway robbery *grin*

Jim Vaughan

Re: RE: [expert] Corel Linux

[whyzzi]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:37:59 -0400, Singer XJ Wang wrote:

> that's for the Standard and Professional Editions, teh Download Edition
has
> nyet suppport
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andreas Spengler
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:29 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [expert] Corel Linux
> >
> >
> > HI there,
> >
> > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, ibi wrote:
> >
> > > I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US
per
> > > hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
> >
> > The installation support is free for the first 30 days. After that $50
US
> > is rather cheap, as far as I can see...
> >
> > Greets,
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> 






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Re: [expert] lp doesn't delete jobs

[Adam Bodnar]

If I remember correctly, there is a security flaw in .38 where people
could print documents they shouldn't be able to.
-- 
To boldly code where no man has debugged before...

Re: [expert] smbmount problem

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Adam Bodnar wrote:
> Ok...
> 
> Well, I am fairly clueless when it comes to routes and what needs to be
> in there.
> 
> What do I need to do to fix this so it will work for both the database
> server and the ntbox I'm trying to smbmount?

Well, you cut out the destination IP. so we can only assume it is not in
private ip space as the others are, does it(the second router) 
route/forward/masq/encrypt correctly to the target correctly? meaning can
it do the smbmount it's self localy, if it can't theres no way the other
will.

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

[expert] Problems building kernel 2.2.13-22mdk

[Rob Steele]

This is my first attempt to compile the the kernel so I'm probably doing
something stupid.  I have two problems:

I get a linker error that goes away if I disable "PII/PIII Extended Fast
FPU save and restore support"

init/main.o: In function `check_fpu':
init/main.o(.text.init+0x25): undefined reference to
`__buggy_fxsr_alignment'
make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1


The pcmcia stuff doesn't install in /lib/modules/2.2.13.[blah].  I got
around that by downloading a later version of pcmcia (3.1.4) but then
the network doesn't work (where it does work with the precompiled
kernel).  /var/log/messages reports errors like:


Nov 19 15:20:25 shem kernel: eth0: Transmit timed out, status 6066,
CSR12 00c2, resetting... 


Any insight into these problems would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Rob



I'm doing this on a Dell Inspiron 7000 with a 400MHz PII & 256MB.  The
network interface is a Xircom CardBus Ethernet 10/100 + Modem.  I'm
running Mandrake 6.1 with all current updates.

Here's my .config file:

#
# Automatically generated make config: don't edit
#

#
# Language for Kernel Configuration
#
CONFIG_CONFIGLANG_ENGLISH=y
# CONFIG_CONFIGLANG_GERMAN is not set

#
# If you change this option, help texts are changed immediately.
#

#
# The tool itself must be restarted to show the new language.
#

#
# Code maturity level options
#
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y

#
# Processor type and features
#
# CONFIG_M386 is not set
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
# CONFIG_M586 is not set
# CONFIG_M586TSC is not set
CONFIG_M686=y
# CONFIG_M686FX is not set
CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y
CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y
CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_TSC=y
CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y
CONFIG_X86_PN_OFF=y
# CONFIG_X86_FX is not set
CONFIG_X86_CPU_OPTIMIZATIONS=y
# CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_MTRR=y
# CONFIG_SMP is not set
CONFIG_1GB=y
# CONFIG_2GB is not set

#
# Loadable module support
#
CONFIG_MODULES=y
CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y
CONFIG_KMOD=y

#
# General setup
#
CONFIG_BIGMEM=y
CONFIG_NET=y
CONFIG_PCI=y
# CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set
# CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set
CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y
CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y
CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y
CONFIG_PCI_QUIRKS=y
# CONFIG_PCI_OPTIMIZE is not set
CONFIG_PCI_OLD_PROC=y
# CONFIG_MCA is not set
# CONFIG_VISWS is not set
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y
CONFIG_SYSCTL=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=m
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m
CONFIG_BINFMT_JAVA=m
CONFIG_PARPORT=m
CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=m
# CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER is not set
CONFIG_APM=y
CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND=y
# CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE is not set
# CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set
# CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK is not set
CONFIG_APM_POWER_OFF=y
# CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_MULTIPLE_SUSPEND is not set
# CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_SUSPEND_BOUNCE is not set
# CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set
# CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is not set

#
# Plug and Play support
#
CONFIG_PNP=y
CONFIG_PNP_PARPORT=m

#
# Block devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y

#
# Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives
#
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OPTI621 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRM290 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82C586 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD646 is not set
# CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set

#
# Additional Block Devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=y
CONFIG_AUTODETECT_RAID=y
CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m
CONFIG_MD_STRIPED=m
CONFIG_MD_MIRRORING=m
CONFIG_MD_RAID5=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=m
CONFIG_PARIDE=m

#
# Parallel IDE high-level drivers
#
CONFIG_PARIDE_PD=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PCD=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PF=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PT=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PG=m

#
# Parallel IDE protocol modules
#
CONFIG_PARIDE_ATEN=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_BPCK=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_COMM=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_DSTR=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FIT2=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FIT3=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_EPAT=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_EPIA=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FRIQ=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FRPW=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_KBIC=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_KTTI=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_ON20=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_ON26=m
CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA=m
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set

#
# Networking options
#
CONFIG_PACKET=y
CONFIG_NETLINK=y
CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y
CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV=y
CONFIG_FIREWALL=y
CONFIG_FILTER=y
CONFIG_UNIX=y
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y
# CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set
CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y
CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL_NETLINK=y
CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV=y
CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y

#
# Protocol-specific masquerading support will be built as modules.
#
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_ICMP=y

#
# Protocol-specific masquerading support will be built as modules.
#
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_MOD=y
CO

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Alex V Flinsch]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote:
> 
> That means basically you do have options:
> -your search (takes some time) to find the answer on the net

Of course if your question is "How do get my new linux-only machine online?"
that is not always an option...


-- 
Alex

Re: [expert] Large Hard drives....Multiple OS's

[Alex V Flinsch]

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote:
> I was looking at getting a new hard drive and was wondering if someone can help
> me with my large drive dilema. I'd like to get a Maxto UDMA 66 36.5gig drive,
> but I'm not sure I can get it to partion and work properly. I'd like to install
> the following OS's on it with these approximate parition sizes:
> 
> Win98 6gig
> BeOS 2gig
> Linux 10gig
> Scratch OS (such as WIn2000, Caldera/Redhat Linux) 4 gig
> 
> The rest of the drive space will be for files, etc. Can someone help with a
> partitioning scheme so I can boot these OS's without a floppy (i.e. is there
> some kind of workaround so I can have all boot sectors under the 1024 limit, or
> is there a way I can place them above that constraint?) BootMagic (included
> with PartitionMagic) just won't hack it. Thanks!
> 
>

Place several small partitions (10-20 M or so) at the beginning of the drive,
for Linux's /boot partitions. The rest of the OS can go on another partition.
Your partitioning would look like this

10M boot for  Win98
10M boot for BeOs
10M boot for Linux
10M boot for Scratch
5.99G   Win98
1.99G   BeOs
9.99G   Linux
3.99G   Scratch

-- 
Alex

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Derek Simkowiak]

> -hopefully- instantaneous help

Ah, the dream lives on...


> Isn't that just fun, having all those options;-)

Options?  Who needs options?  I think I'll go join an NT mailing
list... :)


--Derek

Re: [expert] Better upgrade

[Derek Simkowiak]

> > As it is, "Upgrade" does more-or-less an "rpm -U " and one has to hope
> > everything goes well - which it does not, as I have painfully found out.

> Completely agree here. You could add this to the list of problems: in

What bugs me is needing to be physically in front of the machine
(with boot floppy in hand) to do an upgrade.

I have many Redhat systems sitting in client's offices, working as
webservers, email, bind, etc.  It's a real pain to drive out there to do
an upgrade.  Many of these machines have T1 connectivity--I should be able
to do a full upgrade remotely.

It would only be worse for a Beowulf cluster or web server farm.

For that reason alone, I think I am going to start using Debian.

--Derek

Re: [expert] Large Hard drives....Multiple OS's

[Michael Konrad]

The BeOS boot manager works great. Install Win98 first, then install linux-setup
lilo so that it boots from its hard drive partition, then install BeOS(max 1.5Gig
partition).

Make sure to use each individual operating system's fdisk utility to set up the
partitions for that particular operating system.

My home machine is setup like this

hda1 win98  4gig
hda2 linux swap  100M
hda3 extended 2.4 gig
hda4 BeOS 1.5 gig

hda3 is broken down

/ = 400M
/var = 400M
/usr = 1gig
/home = 600M

The beos boot manager installs to hda and it will boot to the linux partition hda5
to jumpstart lilo. Works great.

-Michael


"Brian R. Thacker" wrote:

> I was looking at getting a new hard drive and was wondering if someone can help
> me with my large drive dilema. I'd like to get a Maxto UDMA 66 36.5gig drive,
> but I'm not sure I can get it to partion and work properly. I'd like to install
> the following OS's on it with these approximate parition sizes:
>
> Win98 6gig
> BeOS 2gig
> Linux 10gig
> Scratch OS (such as WIn2000, Caldera/Redhat Linux) 4 gig
>
> The rest of the drive space will be for files, etc. Can someone help with a
> partitioning scheme so I can boot these OS's without a floppy (i.e. is there
> some kind of workaround so I can have all boot sectors under the 1024 limit, or
> is there a way I can place them above that constraint?) BootMagic (included
> with PartitionMagic) just won't hack it. Thanks!
>
> --
> Brian R. Thacker__/  Never look at the trombones,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED](_||___\  it only encourages them.
> Greensboro, NC   >_|_|_)  - Richard Strauss

[expert] NS 4.7 crashing using roaming access

[Christopher Quale]

I'm using NS 4.7 (tar.gz from netscape) and whenever I try
and use roaming access (server is using the Apache::Roaming
module) after entering my roaming access password I get a 
bus error. My troublesome client is running Mandrake 6.0.
Roaming access using 4.7 and RH 6.0 (on laptop) is fine, as
is 4.7 on win98.  Anyone know what's going on?

TIA,
Chris

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Bug Hunter]

  For linux to blow away micro$loth, businesses must adopt in large
numbers.  Businesses will pay to get a *correct* answer *right now!*

  If you have 300 users, $50 to solve a problem is insignificant,
especially if those users are generating income while working and
consuming money while down.

  This is a good deal for linux, and indirectly for us (in a year or two).
Now, more businesses can adopt knowing there is support on the other end
of the phone.

my opinion,
bug

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Herman Van Keer (softouch) wrote:

> Felipe Almeida wrote:
> 
> > > I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> > > hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
> > >
> > > Pj
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Yes, I have to agree! It's a bit expensive for support on Linux. Most of the
> > support you can find  in the Net.
> 
> That means basically you do have options:
> -your search (takes some time) to find the answer on the net
> -you do not have time (or do not want to search the net): you pay and get
> -hopefully- instantaneous help
> -you install another version of Linux;-)
> 
> Isn't that just fun, having all those options;-)
> Herman

Fw: [expert] Logitech Scanman Color

[Sridhar G]

- Original Message -
From: Sridhar G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Logitech Scanman Color


> Hi,
>
> Had a look at the SANE web page. The Logitech Scanman color is not listed.
> Does it mean that my scanner is not supported.
>
> Thanks
> Sridhar
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Denis Havlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Expert Mandrake List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [expert] Logitech Scanman Color
>
>
> > :~>Hi,
> > :~>
> > :~>Has anyone used a hand scanner - Logitech Scanman Color with any
Linux.
> It
> > :~>is a handheld scanner which connects to a ISA board. Is there a
> standard for
> > :~>scanners in Linux like TWAIN in Windows?
> > :~>
> > :~>Thanks for your info
> >
> > Take a look at the mail-archive - I have posted the SANE -web page few
> > days ago.
> >
> > Denis
> > -
> > Mag. Denis Havlik  
> > University of Vienna||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Austria(@ @)   tel: (++431) 4277/51179
> > ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
> >
>

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Civileme]

"Herman Van Keer (softouch)" wrote:

> Felipe Almeida wrote:
>
> > > I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> > > hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
> > >
> > > Pj
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Yes, I have to agree! It's a bit expensive for support on Linux. Most of the
> > support you can find  in the Net.
>
> That means basically you do have options:
> -your search (takes some time) to find the answer on the net
> -you do not have time (or do not want to search the net): you pay and get
> -hopefully- instantaneous help
> -you install another version of Linux;-)
>
> Isn't that just fun, having all those options;-)
> Herman

ROFL!

Well, before the storm, when we were considering various distros to implement, we
tried Caldera.

Sound didn't work (2.2) so we wrote for email support.  (I mean
SOUND DID NOT WORK)  I couldn't install their modules, and their COAS wizard was
fighting me every step of the way.  It was a DEJA VU/DEJAMOO experience.  We all
know where we have to fight with installation wizards.

Several days later, we called for support.  We had the option of $50 for up to 30
minutes or $100 with no time limit.
We paid our $50 and waited for a call-back.
And we waited.
And we waited.
Then we demanded our money back, erased OpenLinux 2.2 and selected Mandrake.
(Didn't have to fight with any install wizards, been there done that with
Micro)

I hope Corel has better support than Caldera.

Civileme
--
DEJAMOO: A feeling you've heard this bull before.

Re: [expert] Logitech Scanman Color

[Sridhar G]

Hi,

Had a look at the SANE web page. The Logitech Scanman color is not listed.
Does it mean that my scanner is not supported.

Thanks
Sridhar

- Original Message -
From: Denis Havlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Expert Mandrake List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] Logitech Scanman Color


> :~>Hi,
> :~>
> :~>Has anyone used a hand scanner - Logitech Scanman Color with any Linux.
It
> :~>is a handheld scanner which connects to a ISA board. Is there a
standard for
> :~>scanners in Linux like TWAIN in Windows?
> :~>
> :~>Thanks for your info
>
> Take a look at the mail-archive - I have posted the SANE -web page few
> days ago.
>
> Denis
> -
> Mag. Denis Havlik  
> University of Vienna||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Austria(@ @)   tel: (++431) 4277/51179
> ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
>

Re: [expert] Large Hard drives....Multiple OS's

[Civileme]

"Brian R. Thacker" wrote:

> I was looking at getting a new hard drive and was wondering if someone can help
> me with my large drive dilema. I'd like to get a Maxto UDMA 66 36.5gig drive,
> but I'm not sure I can get it to partion and work properly. I'd like to install
> the following OS's on it with these approximate parition sizes:
>
> Win98 6gig
> BeOS 2gig
> Linux 10gig
> Scratch OS (such as WIn2000, Caldera/Redhat Linux) 4 gig
>
> The rest of the drive space will be for files, etc. Can someone help with a
> partitioning scheme so I can boot these OS's without a floppy (i.e. is there
> some kind of workaround so I can have all boot sectors under the 1024 limit, or
> is there a way I can place them above that constraint?) BootMagic (included
> with PartitionMagic) just won't hack it. Thanks!
>
> --
> Brian R. Thacker__/  Never look at the trombones,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED](_||___\  it only encourages them.
> Greensboro, NC   >_|_|_)  - Richard Strauss

Well,

make /dev/hda1 Windows (200-400M C: drive)
/dev/hda2 WinNT/2000 Boot area (about 400M)
/dev/hda3 extended partition (rest of disk)
/dev/hda5  /boot   15-20MB for Linux
/dev/hda6 (Some partitioning to boot Be)
/dev/hda7 (rest of Be)
/dev/hda8 (D: drive/E:drive  depending on the file format of /dev/hda2 If hda2 is
NTFS, then it is D:, but for the rest of your Win98)
/dev/hda9 (swap area)
/dev/hda10 (NTFS or drive F: for the rest of Win2000 or whatever)
/dev/hda11  and up  Production partitions for linux or Be  / ,  /var, /tmp, /usr,
/home, /usr/local, /opt, and so on.

That should allow LILO to do the job without the bloat of BootMagic

If you are into another sort of solution, surf on over to www.linuxmall.com and
check out System Commander.  Anyway, boot partitions have to be complete system
installations for 98, and I dunno what for NT/2000 (don't have a score card to
keep track of that one) and can be small for Linux and I think it is possible to
do Be as you do Linux, but keeping Be early on the disk in total might meet the
limitation.

Good luck,

Civileme

[expert] Thanks!!! Was Multiple Questions

[Shannon M. Johnston]

First off I want to thank everybody for the great answers that I got to
my questions.
I now feel more comfortable in my position.
I do have one more thing...
What should I need to know to set up a secure firewall?

Thanks again,
Nunar

RE: [expert] Corel Linux

[Singer XJ Wang]

that's for the Standard and Professional Editions, teh Download Edition has
nyet suppport

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andreas Spengler
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Corel Linux
>
>
> HI there,
>
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, ibi wrote:
>
> > I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> > hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
>
> The installation support is free for the first 30 days. After that $50 US
> is rather cheap, as far as I can see...
>
> Greets,
>
> Andreas
>

Re: [expert] Large Hard drives....Multiple OS's

[David van Balen]

I've never worked with a drive that big, but you might try intalling Be on
my main parition, its OS loader is pretty good adn worked fine with my
22Gig IBM HDD. Be's partition manager which runs during setup (I think
it's PartitionMagic?) had not trouble formatting my drive either. But then
Disk Druid didn't either... I've never tried to boot multiple OSs with
LILO.

DvB


On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Brian R. Thacker wrote:

> I was looking at getting a new hard drive and was wondering if someone can help
> me with my large drive dilema. I'd like to get a Maxto UDMA 66 36.5gig drive,
> but I'm not sure I can get it to partion and work properly. I'd like to install
> the following OS's on it with these approximate parition sizes:
> 
> Win98 6gig
> BeOS 2gig
> Linux 10gig
> Scratch OS (such as WIn2000, Caldera/Redhat Linux) 4 gig
> 
> The rest of the drive space will be for files, etc. Can someone help with a
> partitioning scheme so I can boot these OS's without a floppy (i.e. is there
> some kind of workaround so I can have all boot sectors under the 1024 limit, or
> is there a way I can place them above that constraint?) BootMagic (included
> with PartitionMagic) just won't hack it. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Brian R. Thacker__/  Never look at the trombones,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED](_||___\  it only encourages them.
> Greensboro, NC   >_|_|_)  - Richard Strauss
> 

RE: [expert] Corel Linux

[Singer XJ Wang]

As before ot my local LUG

Hello All:

I've just wacked enough of Corel LINUX Download Edition, here are some of my
opinions:
[Corel LINUX came out today, version 1.0, ~300MB ISO Image].

There is also standard edition which is Download Edition + more fonts(20), +
support (email) + Corel WP 8 Limited Edition
Deluxe is Standard + even more fonts (200), + support (phone as well) +
fully WP 8 + Civilization Call to Power Limited Edition + BRU2000

Notes:
Recommened System:
Pentium Processor
24 RAM (32 Peferred)
500 MB HD


Positives:
1. Very Easy to Install, even much better then RedHat or Mandrake for
beginners. Asked me a couple of questions: 1] normal install or expert
install 2] unprivilaged user name 3] install type [workstation, workstation
Plus, server, custom] 4] wipe windows or co exist with windows
2. Auto-HardWare Detection Works well [Mainly for PCI Stuff] - Did Find:
SMC9332 NIC [Tulip Chipset], S3 Virge325 Video Card, SoundBlaster 16 ISA
Sound Card. Did not find: Adaptec 1542CF SCSI Card.
3. Corel File Manger, very similar to Windows Explorer, very nice for
beginners

Negatives:
1. Missing Applications: Netscape Browser is included, doesn't have
Communicator. No PINE/TIN/LYNX and some other stuff.
2. Really ODD kernel stuff: it always attemps tp load PCMCIA Support even
though I dont' have any PCMCIA devices, no way to change it during setup.
3. root password not set during install. After you reboot and start the
system, you have to log in as root then change password [default: none].
Otherwise, its always blank. Kinda of scary if you need security espically
for newbies. So, if the newbie upon bootup logs in as unprivilaged user, you
have no root security.

Re: [expert] lp doesn't delete jobs

[Charles Radding]

Still working on this, after backtracking to different
printtools, I ended up with a situation duplicated by a bug
(#449) for lpr; that user suggested retreating to lpr 0.38
and (as of now) I am printing again. Thanks to those who
replied.

But - why is it that any changes at all are made to
apparently stable components of the distribution, such as
lpr or printtool?

Charles Radding

Re: [expert] Reading Netware (3.x) partitions under Linux

[Michael Konrad]

for windows try
mount -t vfat /dev/device /mnt/someplace
I now you can use ncpmount with an active novell file server but I don't
know if it will work with just the filesystem.
Good Luck.
-Michael
 
"Bois, Mathieu" wrote:
Hi,
I would like to get files from an old Novell server that has been shutdowned
and from which only the disks are remaining.
So, I've connected the SCSI disks to my PC, but Linux can't mount the
Netware partitions.
I've look around on the web, and finally found nkfs from Caldera, but,
after
having compiled and installed and loaded it (my kernel is 2.2.12),
it says
that it still can't mount the partition, but with another error message
as
"wrong fs or too many mounted fs...".
Help !
If you have a solution for DOS/Win9x/NT, I'm interested too : I just
want to
copy files, just once, it won't be usefull later, but I really need
it.
Thanks and regards
Mathieu

Re: [expert] Accessing hot plugged SCSI disks

[Civileme]

"Bois, Mathieu" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if a command like drvconfig/disks for Solaris exist on Linux
> for PC too.
>
> A few days ago, I have hot plugged a SCSI disk while Linux was running, but
> it didn't want to recognize there was a /dev/sdb device now plugged in
> (during the boot, it detected the usual SCSI disk /dev/sda).
>
> I think a solution would be to put the SCSI driver, aic7xxx as a module and
> not part of the kernel, and unload and reload it when I want to hot plug a
> new disk. BUT my first SCSI disk is the disk where the "/" of Linux is
> located in, so I couldn't even do that.
>
> Thanks to give me a solution if it exists. If it doesn't, explain me why (PC
> BIOS ? Adaptec BIOS ? no such command on Linux ? ... ?)
>
> The kernel I was using when doing that was 2.2.13 on a Mandrake 6.0, on a
> PII PC and an Adaptec 2940U2W card.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Mathieu

The command doesn't exist because Linux was not originally intended for the
market Solaris is in.  The mid-level server stuff will be appearing in later
kernels, like 2.4 and on.  One of the "Linux Myths" Microsoft published on its
site (and pure FUD) was that D. H. Brown evaluated it negatively for mid-level
server applications.  That was and is true, but irrelevant, because Windows has
the same shortcomings for that application.  Just as Windows showed that "linux
is a Unix system and the operating costs of a Unix system are greater than
those of NT" (They compared it to running a Solaris system).

Likely there is a workaround based on a script to modify /etc/fstab and restart
fileservices on the fly.  I do something remarkably similar with IDE drives for
the very pedestrian application of making a backup with a removable IDE Drive.
I use mods to fstab and mount/umount commands and little else.  Your specifics
would vary.

Look for something very much like what you describe in kernel 2.4.

Civileme

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Herman Van Keer (softouch)]

Felipe Almeida wrote:

> > I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> > hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
> >
> > Pj
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Yes, I have to agree! It's a bit expensive for support on Linux. Most of the
> support you can find  in the Net.

That means basically you do have options:
-your search (takes some time) to find the answer on the net
-you do not have time (or do not want to search the net): you pay and get
-hopefully- instantaneous help
-you install another version of Linux;-)

Isn't that just fun, having all those options;-)
Herman

[expert] Large Hard drives....Multiple OS's

[Brian R. Thacker]

I was looking at getting a new hard drive and was wondering if someone can help
me with my large drive dilema. I'd like to get a Maxto UDMA 66 36.5gig drive,
but I'm not sure I can get it to partion and work properly. I'd like to install
the following OS's on it with these approximate parition sizes:

Win98 6gig
BeOS 2gig
Linux 10gig
Scratch OS (such as WIn2000, Caldera/Redhat Linux) 4 gig

The rest of the drive space will be for files, etc. Can someone help with a
partitioning scheme so I can boot these OS's without a floppy (i.e. is there
some kind of workaround so I can have all boot sectors under the 1024 limit, or
is there a way I can place them above that constraint?) BootMagic (included
with PartitionMagic) just won't hack it. Thanks!



-- 
Brian R. Thacker__/  Never look at the trombones,
[EMAIL PROTECTED](_||___\  it only encourages them.
Greensboro, NC   >_|_|_)  - Richard Strauss

Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66

[Dan Swartzendruber]

At 04:06 PM 11/19/99 +0100, Jean-Louis Debert wrote:
>Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:
>> Exactly! It is stupid and simple - I did it - but...
>> But do not work
>> Linux don`t want to boot (not install) from this disk! (when plugged to
>> ATA/66)
>> It`s hanged after recognition of IDE controlers. Kernel can see the HPT366
>> controler correctly, see the disks, but cannot see the partitions etc.
>> 
>> Any idea?
>
>Well, maybe you have to activate something in the BIOS to let it boot
>on this controller ... or rather, to tell the BIOS that the _primary_
>IDE interface (ide0) should be the HPT366, not the Intel BX.
>Just guessing, I really don't know ...

What motherboard?  Some of them treat the HP366 as a SCSI controller (in
terms of boot order, etc...)

Re: [expert] Reading Netware (3.x) partitions under Linux

[Nick Kay]

At 16:05 19/11/99 -, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I would like to get files from an old Novell server that has been shutdowned
>and from which only the disks are remaining.
>
>So, I've connected the SCSI disks to my PC, but Linux can't mount the
>Netware partitions.
>
>I've look around on the web, and finally found nkfs from Caldera, but, after
>having compiled and installed and loaded it (my kernel is 2.2.12), it says
>that it still can't mount the partition, but with another error message as
>"wrong fs or too many mounted fs...".
>
>Help !
>
>
>If you have a solution for DOS/Win9x/NT, I'm interested too : I just want to
>copy files, just once, it won't be usefull later, but I really need it.
>
>Thanks and regards
>
>Mathieu

I had to do this a few years ago - the solution then was to get the
Netware server up and running then copy the files across the network.
I'm pretty sure you won't be able to do this by locally connecting
the drives.

But as usual I'm probably wrong.

hih
nick@nexnix




>
>

[expert] Accessing hot plugged SCSI disks

[Bois, Mathieu]

Hi,

I'm wondering if a command like drvconfig/disks for Solaris exist on Linux
for PC too.

A few days ago, I have hot plugged a SCSI disk while Linux was running, but
it didn't want to recognize there was a /dev/sdb device now plugged in
(during the boot, it detected the usual SCSI disk /dev/sda).

I think a solution would be to put the SCSI driver, aic7xxx as a module and
not part of the kernel, and unload and reload it when I want to hot plug a
new disk. BUT my first SCSI disk is the disk where the "/" of Linux is
located in, so I couldn't even do that.

Thanks to give me a solution if it exists. If it doesn't, explain me why (PC
BIOS ? Adaptec BIOS ? no such command on Linux ? ... ?)

The kernel I was using when doing that was 2.2.13 on a Mandrake 6.0, on a
PII PC and an Adaptec 2940U2W card.


Thanks and regards

Mathieu

Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66

[root]

Check the Archives to this mailing list.  There are some LILO parameters that
can be set to make the /dev/hdc be treated like /dev/hda.  Axalon was the
author.  This particular problem has arisen before, always with the ABIT Bx6
type board, {BH6 BP6, etc}

Civileme

Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:

> Exactly! It is stupid and simple - I did it - but...
> But do not work
> Linux don`t want to boot (not install) from this disk! (when plugged to
> ATA/66)
> It`s hanged after recognition of IDE controlers. Kernel can see the HPT366
> controler correctly, see the disks, but cannot see the partitions etc.
>
> Any idea?
>
> Best Regards
> Bartek
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Debert
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:58 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66
>
> Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:
> > the problem for me is that I have Abit BE6 (or something like that)
> > motherboard which is equiped with _4_ (NOT 2) IDE slots. that mean I have
> 2
> > slotsnormal IDE and two next connected to ULTRA ATA 66 controler which
> > support of course other disks and CDROM`s but linux do not recognise it.
> > so, when I try to install on disk connected on this IDE (ide2 or ide3)
> > installer on linux do not recognize any hdd.
> > Then I must to reconnect it on standard IDE.
> > Question is:
> > is it possible in minimum to boot the ready instalation from this ATA/66
> > controller?
>
> Probably not directly with the installation kernel. However, after
> install,
> or if you can use another machine which is already installed, there are
> patches (for 2.2.x) or support (for 2.3.x) for your ata-66 controller
> (I believe HPT366 or something like that) so you can build a kernel
> supporting your chipset.
>
> Why not proceed as follows:
>1. plug your ATA-66 drive onto the standard IDE controller for
> installation. It will only work in udma-33, so what ???
>2. install linux
>3. get a recent 2.3.x kernel source
>or alternatively, get the 2.2.13 patch at URL:
> http://www.gz.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
>4. compile a kernel with the right options to support your chipset
>5. plug your ATA-66 drive again on the udma-66 controller
>6. boot with your new kernel ... That's all, folks ...
>
> --
> Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 74 Annemasse  France
> old Linux fan

[expert] Reading Netware (3.x) partitions under Linux

[Bois, Mathieu]

Hi,

I would like to get files from an old Novell server that has been shutdowned
and from which only the disks are remaining.

So, I've connected the SCSI disks to my PC, but Linux can't mount the
Netware partitions.

I've look around on the web, and finally found nkfs from Caldera, but, after
having compiled and installed and loaded it (my kernel is 2.2.12), it says
that it still can't mount the partition, but with another error message as
"wrong fs or too many mounted fs...".

Help !


If you have a solution for DOS/Win9x/NT, I'm interested too : I just want to
copy files, just once, it won't be usefull later, but I really need it.

Thanks and regards

Mathieu

[expert] Better upgrade

[Alexander Kirillov]

> From: Denis Havlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Because "install" means "wipe my HD and install the new system", while
> "upgrade" means "please give my old system a face lift, but do not ruin
> it". In my opinion "Upgrade" should be made much better - in the future
> there will be much more need for upgrades than for the clean installs,
> especially if they start selling pre-installed linux PC-s everywhere. 
...
> In this way, one would be sure to get a fully functional system in the
> end, even if he tries to upgrade from Suse 5.2 to Mandrake 7.5.
> 
> As it is, "Upgrade" does more-or-less an "rpm -U " and one has to hope
> everything goes well - which it does not, as I have painfully found out.
> The worse of all is that some of the bugs which appear after an "Upgrade"
> from RH X.Y to Mandrake 6.1 are very subtle, and not easy to find and
> eliminate later.   
>
> cheers
>   Denis


Completely agree here. You could add this to the list of problems: in
my (and I believe, many others') case, there was file conflict between
some packages - which is, of course, bad, but happens sometimes. What
really pissed me off is that I didn't get any error messages like
"Install of kdelibs failed" during upgrade, so I thought everything was
OK. I had to look in install log to find some (rather cryptic) error
messages coming from cpio, with no mention of file conflict, then to
run rpm --verify, rpm --replacefiles, etc. 

Sasha

Re: [expert] smbmount problem

[Adam Bodnar]

Ok...

Well, I am fairly clueless when it comes to routes and what needs to be
in there.

What do I need to do to fix this so it will work for both the database
server and the ntbox I'm trying to smbmount?
-- 
To boldly code where no man has debugged before...

Re: [expert] Re:

[Michael Konrad]

RE: [expert] Corel Linux

[Bois, Mathieu]

IMHO, it is quite pricey.

Gnerally, good companies sell hot line per months or per year, at prices
that are less expensive.
If you only have to call once in a year, then $50 would be cheapier, but you
never know by advance how many times you will call. So, a contract for
months or a year of hot line is better.


Mathieu

> -Original Message-
> From: Denis Havlik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 19 November 1999 13:53
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Corel Linux
> 
> 
> :~>I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support 
> is $50 US per
> :~>hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me. 
> 
> You are naive. They have to actually pay someone to do a tech 
> support, 
> he is not answering questions all the time, and they want to earn
> something too... 
> 
> Denis 
> -
> Mag. Denis Havlik  
> University of Vienna||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Austria(@ @)   tel: (++431) 4277/51179 
> ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
> 

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Felipe Almeida]

> I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me.
>
> Pj
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yes, I have to agree! It's a bit expensive for support on Linux. Most of the
support you can find  in the Net.

Felipe Almeida
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66

[Jean-Louis Debert]

Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:
> Exactly! It is stupid and simple - I did it - but...
> But do not work
> Linux don`t want to boot (not install) from this disk! (when plugged to
> ATA/66)
> It`s hanged after recognition of IDE controlers. Kernel can see the HPT366
> controler correctly, see the disks, but cannot see the partitions etc.
> 
> Any idea?

Well, maybe you have to activate something in the BIOS to let it boot
on this controller ... or rather, to tell the BIOS that the _primary_
IDE interface (ide0) should be the HPT366, not the Intel BX.
Just guessing, I really don't know ...

Did you try to pass command line parameters like "ide0=none ide1=none"
to try to tell the kernel that the Intel BX should _not_ be used ?
 
Also, in my previous post I didn't suggest that you use the _install_
kernel when the disk is plugged to the ATA/66, I suggested that you
use your _own_ homemade kernel (install and compile of your kernel
made while the disk is plugged to the Intel BX).

-- 
Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED]
74 Annemasse  France
old Linux fan

RE: [expert] problem with ATA/66

[Bart³omiej Muryn]

Exactly! It is stupid and simple - I did it - but...
But do not work
Linux don`t want to boot (not install) from this disk! (when plugged to
ATA/66)
It`s hanged after recognition of IDE controlers. Kernel can see the HPT366
controler correctly, see the disks, but cannot see the partitions etc.

Any idea?

Best Regards
Bartek
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Debert
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66


Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:
> the problem for me is that I have Abit BE6 (or something like that)
> motherboard which is equiped with _4_ (NOT 2) IDE slots. that mean I have
2
> slotsnormal IDE and two next connected to ULTRA ATA 66 controler which
> support of course other disks and CDROM`s but linux do not recognise it.
> so, when I try to install on disk connected on this IDE (ide2 or ide3)
> installer on linux do not recognize any hdd.
> Then I must to reconnect it on standard IDE.
> Question is:
> is it possible in minimum to boot the ready instalation from this ATA/66
> controller?

Probably not directly with the installation kernel. However, after
install,
or if you can use another machine which is already installed, there are
patches (for 2.2.x) or support (for 2.3.x) for your ata-66 controller
(I believe HPT366 or something like that) so you can build a kernel
supporting your chipset.

Why not proceed as follows:
   1. plug your ATA-66 drive onto the standard IDE controller for
installation. It will only work in udma-33, so what ???
   2. install linux
   3. get a recent 2.3.x kernel source
   or alternatively, get the 2.2.13 patch at URL:
http://www.gz.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
   4. compile a kernel with the right options to support your chipset
   5. plug your ATA-66 drive again on the udma-66 controller
   6. boot with your new kernel ... That's all, folks ...


--
Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED]
74 Annemasse  France
old Linux fan

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Andreas Spengler]

HI there,

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, ibi wrote:

> I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
> hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me. 

The installation support is free for the first 30 days. After that $50 US
is rather cheap, as far as I can see...

Greets,

Andreas 

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[Denis Havlik]

:~>I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
:~>hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me. 

You are naive. They have to actually pay someone to do a tech support, 
he is not answering questions all the time, and they want to earn
something too... 

Denis 
-
Mag. Denis Havlik  
University of Vienna||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Austria(@ @)   tel: (++431) 4277/51179 
---oOO--(_)--OOo-

[expert] two bugs in M6.1 and a whish

[Denis Havlik]

Hi

I have found two X- (kde-) related bugs in mandrake:

1) in kde, screen locking does not work properly with NIS accounts.

current solution is setting the kcheckpass "suid root".

2) Users are not warned that they have to change passwords,
because the passwd is going to expire soon. I have heard that this
condition even crashes xdm, but have not verified it since I use kdm.   

My current attempt at a solution is checking for this condition in 
"Give console". However it seams as if the kdm would ignore the
"GiveConsole". Any ideas?

+
My whish would be to check for the existence of "./ssh/identity" and
"ssh-agent" in (standard) Xsession. If both are found, one should exec

"ssh-agent startkde" 

instead of just "startkde" in the "Xsession". Same with the gnome/Wm & co.

I can post my altered "Xsession" which does exactly this if you are
willing to give it a try.  

Yours
Denis

P.S. Sorry for cross-posting. I think this is interesting for both mailing
lists, and I am not sure how many people actually subscribe both of them,
or where to post in order to reach both developers and "experts".
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Mag. Denis Havlik  
University of Vienna||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Austria(@ @)   tel: (++431) 4277/51179 
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RE: [expert] Corel Linux

[Bart³omiej Muryn]

I tested:
We downloaded image of cd-rom and tried to install:
On three differents configurations of PC (Three different pc`s - laptop,
desktop, small dell server) installation failed
Instalation died when instalator tried to check hardware:
guys from corel must work more.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Felipe Almeida
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] Corel Linux


Does anybody here tested the new distribution of Linux by Corel? Go to the
http://www.corel.com and then see the new distributions os Linux.

Felipe

Re: [expert] cant write to a fat 16 partition!

[Marco Ciampa]

On gio, 18 nov 1999, Al Smith wrote:
>Check your INODE count. Sometimes if you run application that uses's more
>inodes then space you will get that error message.
>
>Al Smith
>Systems Engineer
>
>Thomas Jefferson Univ. Hospital  Phone: 215-503-6808
>130 S. 9th St. Suite 600 Fax:   215-503-4336
>Philadelphia, PA 19107 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>> I have 2 6.4 gig drives I use for my Dual boot Mandrake 6.0-1/98 system.
>> The one drive is all Win C/E. The other drive has a 2Gig FAT 16 partition,
>> the other 4G is for Linux. My problem is that all of a sudden, I can not
>> write to my D drive (which is the partition on the Linux drive). The error
>> msg. says something about cant create file "No space left on drive".
>> However, a dd shows that drive as being only 15% used. What is my problem
>> here, any help greatly appreciated.
>> 
Ther's a (very low) limit at the number of files that you may open on the root
dir of a fat partition. Try to open files in a subdir instead!

bye

 -- 
Marco Ciampa

c:\winnt> secure_nt.exe
  Securing NT.  Insert Linux boot disk to continue..

Re: [expert] Corel Linux

[ibi]

I just checked out the 'Linux by Corel' site. Tech support is $50 US per
hour per incident. Maybe I am naive but it sounds pricey to me. 

Pj
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66

[Jean-Louis Debert]

Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:
> the problem for me is that I have Abit BE6 (or something like that)
> motherboard which is equiped with _4_ (NOT 2) IDE slots. that mean I have 2
> slotsnormal IDE and two next connected to ULTRA ATA 66 controler which
> support of course other disks and CDROM`s but linux do not recognise it.
> so, when I try to install on disk connected on this IDE (ide2 or ide3)
> installer on linux do not recognize any hdd.
> Then I must to reconnect it on standard IDE.
> Question is:
> is it possible in minimum to boot the ready instalation from this ATA/66
> controller?

Probably not directly with the installation kernel. However, after
install,
or if you can use another machine which is already installed, there are
patches (for 2.2.x) or support (for 2.3.x) for your ata-66 controller
(I believe HPT366 or something like that) so you can build a kernel
supporting your chipset. 

Why not proceed as follows:
   1. plug your ATA-66 drive onto the standard IDE controller for
installation. It will only work in udma-33, so what ???
   2. install linux
   3. get a recent 2.3.x kernel source
   or alternatively, get the 2.2.13 patch at URL:
http://www.gz.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
   4. compile a kernel with the right options to support your chipset
   5. plug your ATA-66 drive again on the udma-66 controller
   6. boot with your new kernel ... That's all, folks ...
  

-- 
Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED]
74 Annemasse  France
old Linux fan

RE: [expert] problem with ATA/66

[Bart³omiej Muryn]

No.
the problem for me is that I have Abit BE6 (or something like that)
motherboard which is equiped with _4_ (NOT 2) IDE slots. that mean I have 2
slotsnormal IDE and two next connected to ULTRA ATA 66 controler which
support of course other disks and CDROM`s but linux do not recognise it.
so, when I try to install on disk connected on this IDE (ide2 or ide3)
installer on linux do not recognize any hdd.
Then I must to reconnect it on standard IDE.
Question is:
is it possible in minimum to boot the ready instalation from this ATA/66
controller?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sylvain Vignaud
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] problem with ATA/66


Bart³omiej Muryn wrote:
> Someone tried to install Mandrake 6.1 on the disk ATA/66???
> Is it possible?

I got a SiS 620 which support ATA66: it all works fine!
In fact, ATA66 is just a new feature added, the rest of the HD
controller is fully compatible with standard and ATA33 controllers.
So, should there be a driver included in the kernel for your controller,
be happy you'll get faster HD access. On the contrary, just use the
standard driver and it should work fine.

Good luck

Re: [expert] Re:

[Denis Havlik]

:~>Yup, pretty pictures will save the world...
:~>
:~>What I'm missing is why the packaging system isn't working as it's
:~>supposed to.  You upgrade a package and it removes the old package and
:~>installs the new.  At least that's the way it works for me...  Why not
:~>during installation???

Because "install" means "wipe my HD and install the new system", while
"upgrade" means "please give my old system a face lift, but do not ruin
it". In my opinion "Upgrade" should be made much better - in the future
there will be much more need for upgrades than for the clean installs,
especially if they start selling pre-installed linux PC-s everywhere. 

See below for my sugestions:



I did "upgrade" instalation from several RH x.y machines, and the problem
is following: If you try installing a package and you bump into some
allready installed package, "rpm -i" or "rpm -U" do not install it.
Therefore you end-up with unusable (or semi-usable) system.

I think this is a bug in install procedure. Right way to do an "upgrade"
from any existing system to Mandrake X.Y would be:

1) check if there is anything installed allready. If not say 

"I cannot find installed system, should i continue with full install?" 

2) check if the installed system is rpm-based. If not, ask 

"Your previous system is not rpm-based. If I continue with instalation
some of the files belonging to your instalation will be overwritten, other
will not. Should i continue with full install and erase all the currently 
instaslled packages (except maybe /opt and /usr/local)"

3) If the old system is RPM-based, then check if you can install all the
packages with: "Upgrade" or not. If yes, all is OK - if not, ask:

"Following packages from your current system collide with packages from
Mandrake X.Y. To continue with upgrade, either these packages have to be
deinstalled first, or some of the "new" packages have to be discarded." 

A table of packages with "old" packages on left side and "new"
packages which cannot be installed on the right side, with a possibility
to choose either the packages on the left or on the right side would be
good. Some of the packages should be denoted as "essencial" - these must
be installed in order to get the working Mandrake system, so "discarding" 
such packages should be made as complicated as possible.   

followed by:

"Please choose which packages you want to have installed, then continue
with the upgrade.   

In this way, one would be sure to get a fully functional system in the
end, even if he tries to upgrade from Suse 5.2 to Mandrake 7.5.

As it is, "Upgrade" does more-or-less an "rpm -U " and one has to hope
everything goes well - which it does not, as I have painfully found out.
The worse of all is that some of the bugs which appear after an "Upgrade"
from RH X.Y to Mandrake 6.1 are very subtle, and not easy to find and
eliminate later.   
   
cheers
Denis
-
Mag. Denis Havlik  
University of Vienna||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Austria(@ @)   tel: (++431) 4277/51179 
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RE: [expert] Sendmail configuration and PPP

[phobet-winterchan]

> Hi, sorry for bothering you again.

No bother at all.

> "phobet-winterchan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The file you need to modify is "/etc/sendmail.cf".  You need to
> define "DS"
> > in it.  So, if your ISP's relay machine was "relay.isp.com",
> then you would
> > have the following line:
> >  # "Smart" relay host (may be null)
> >  DSrelay.isp.com
>
> > prompt# /etc/rc.d/inet.d/sendmail restart
>
> I did as you suggested. And never observed "localhost.localdomain - server
> must exist" since.
>
> However, I noticed that if I send a message to a wrong address ( due
> to a typo, for instance ), the message is silently disappear, i.e.
> I do not get a usual report from mail server back.

Are you sure you're receiving *all* of your messages?

> So error reporting seems to be dropped, which is dangerous. Could you
> help me to fix that?
>
> > take a ride over to http://www.sendmail.org.
>
> Yes, I know. But it looks like a long ride...
>
> Tima.

[expert] Corel Linux

[Felipe Almeida]

Does anybody here tested the new distribution of Linux by Corel? Go to the
http://www.corel.com and then see the new distributions os Linux.

Felipe