Re: [expert] Cases

2002-01-28 Thread Ric Tibbetts

On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 00:08, Ric Tibbetts wrote:
 On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 17:57, gnerd wrote:
  A google search turned up a lot of reviews on these cases, but after 
  three pages of review links, my ADD kicked in and I lost focus. ;-)  How 
  much are they, and where can you buy them?
 
 Just some added info on th eLian-Li cases:
 
 If you go to www.colorcases.com
 Near the top is the first of a couple columns of button bars.
 Select the first one, marked Computer Cases. Within that section,
 select Aluminum Cases, and you will find many Lian-Li cases.
 
 Excellent quality, but bring your (wifes) check-book. ;)

Oops!!!
It's late, and my fingers have developed a mind of their own.

Scratch the above URL, the right one is:

www.computercase.com

(The first one I listed was computercases (plural), and that's a
different site.)

Sorry about that!

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[expert] mozilla 0.98 comming soon..

2002-01-28 Thread J. Grant

Something good to expect any day soon..
According to http://mozilla.org/roadmap.html it was due on Fri 25th, so 
it should be out within a day or so I expect.

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Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale?

2002-01-28 Thread Seak, Teng-Fong

   Recently there're several posts about displaying or printing 
other characters (Euro sign and Japanese).  In those posts I see that 
*archaic* charsets (ISO-8859-15) are still used.  Know that Unicode was 
supported in the kernel in the very first versions (round 1994 or 1995 
if I'm not mistaken), Linux was once a promise to a new era where 
charset conflicts won't exist, however, WinNT (and esp Win2k) was 
several steps ahead in supporting Unicode.  I really hope that Linux 
community could promote even faster the use of Unicode.  Mandrake, which 
is far ahead in supporting i18n and l10n, could (or should) provide 
solutions where Unicode is used, or encourage more people to use 
Cyberbit font file (the only Unicode file I know of for the moment), or 
even provide Unicode subrange font file as alternate solutions.

 Regards,

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Re: [expert] Why Journalled FS do I have to use??!!! I'mdisturbed!!!

2002-01-28 Thread Oscar

El lun, 28-01-2002 a las 04:48, ngn escribió:
 Hi folks, I'm doubting to choose two different journalled FS ( XFS or RFS )
 
 My opinion is that XFS has the best performance in all the fields.
 Furthermore it has additional features due to its porting of IRIX, but I
 also read that for other people RFS is the best one.
 
 Also I read that RFS performs best in small and medium size files. However,
 XFS performs best in big size files and in big partitions.
 
 Besides, I read different tests that shows that XFS is the best in almost
 all the fields, but I also read people who said that those results were
 false due to that kernel has not all the RFS neccesary patches.
 
 Well, like you see, there are different points of view, so I wanna hear
 yours!!
 
 My machine is a Pentium II Celeron 266 MHZ, with a Seagate of 40 GB [20 GB
 for linux] and 160 MB of RAM
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 Nicolas Gomez
 Montevideo, URUGUAY

Use what you want, but I had problems with RFS after several power
failures, now I'm using XFS, is similar in speed and I'm having no
troubles.
But I used RFS with LM 8.0 and XFS in 8.1. I don't know how RFS is
working now.
Saludos,
Óscar.
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[expert] Single floppy with frame buffer, nano-X, and rwin RDP client to boot diskless computer

2002-01-28 Thread Joe L. Casale

Has anyone ever made one of these, or know how to:
1) pass vga=791 to kernel without using lilo?
I don't think I will be able to fit a slim kernel, and the binaries
along with a root fs one floppy if I have to add lilo!
I am very new to Linux, and know nothing, but have this daunting task,
and its proving a big learning curve.


Thanks!
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Re: [expert] mozilla 0.98 comming soon..

2002-01-28 Thread Arief Rakhmatsyah

Don't expect anything.
New release from Mozilla come every month. :-)

Riev


- Original Message - 
From: J. Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] mozilla 0.98 comming soon..


 Something good to expect any day soon..
 According to http://mozilla.org/roadmap.html it was due on Fri 25th, so 
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Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale? -- THE SOLUTION???

2002-01-28 Thread Leopold Palomo Avellaneda

Hi,

I begin to be a bit frustrate. I can see the euro symbol. I can copy it, ¤,

I have tested with this configuration:

SYSFONT=lat0-sun16
LC_CTYPE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MONETARY=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANGUAGE=ca:es_ES:es:es_ES:en:en_EN
LC_TIME=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_COLLATE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANG=ca
SYSFONTACM=iso15

and with this configuration:

SYSFONT=lat0-sun16
LC_CTYPE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MONETARY=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANGUAGE=ca.ISO-8859-15:ca_ES.ISO-8859-15:es_ES.ISO-8859-15:es.ISO-8859-15:es_ES.ISO-8859-15:en.ISO-8859-15:en_EN.ISO-8859-15

LC_TIME=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_COLLATE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANG=ca
SYSFONTACM=iso15

I use kde 2.2.1 and I have selected in control panel the iso8859-15 charset, 
and well,

I'm not be able to write a ¤ with the altgr+E keys. Neither using kate, 
kwrite, konsole, etc. 

So, well. I don't know waht to do. Maybe is something about the spanish 
keyboard, or similar, but ... I don't know what to do ...

Best regards,

Leo


A Dissabte 26 Gener 2002 20:09, Francisco Castanheiro va escriure:
 Em Sábado 26 Janeiro 2002 17:20, escreveste:
  I changed it to:
 
  --
  SYSFONT=lat0-sun16
  LC_CTYPE=es_ES.ISO-8859-15
  LC_MONETARY=es_ES.ISO-8859-15
  LANGUAGE=es_ES:es

 Try this: LANGUAGE=es_ES.ISO-8859-15

  LANG=es

 Try : LANG=es_ES.ISO-8859-15

  Where is the error (if any)?

 I don't know about printing, but you should be able to type and see the
 ¤. I saw somewhere that some old printers couldn't print the ¤, but i
 don't know if this is your case.

 Good Luck.

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Re: [expert] Why Journalled FS do I have to use??!!! I'm disturbed!!!

2002-01-28 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva

Hi Folks,

Good question.  We have a cluster here working in XFS (scsi HD).
No problem at all and it was choosen due to documentation and SGI name.
But it's using Red Hat.  Does MDK work fine with XFS?  Is the
procedure installation of XFS in MDK equal to the one in Red Hat?

Thanks for any attention.


On 28 Jan 2002, Oscar wrote:

 El lun, 28-01-2002 a las 04:48, ngn escribió:
  Hi folks, I'm doubting to choose two different journalled FS ( XFS or RFS )
 
  My opinion is that XFS has the best performance in all the fields.
  Furthermore it has additional features due to its porting of IRIX, but I
  also read that for other people RFS is the best one.
 
  Also I read that RFS performs best in small and medium size files. However,
  XFS performs best in big size files and in big partitions.
 
  Besides, I read different tests that shows that XFS is the best in almost
  all the fields, but I also read people who said that those results were
  false due to that kernel has not all the RFS neccesary patches.
 
  Well, like you see, there are different points of view, so I wanna hear
  yours!!
 
  My machine is a Pentium II Celeron 266 MHZ, with a Seagate of 40 GB [20 GB
  for linux] and 160 MB of RAM
 
  Thanks in advance
 
  Nicolas Gomez
  Montevideo, URUGUAY

 Use what you want, but I had problems with RFS after several power
 failures, now I'm using XFS, is similar in speed and I'm having no
 troubles.
 But I used RFS with LM 8.0 and XFS in 8.1. I don't know how RFS is
 working now.
 Saludos,
 Óscar.


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Re: [expert] OT! for paranoiacs only ;-))))

2002-01-28 Thread J. Craig Woods

At 09:08 PM 1/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Classic *nix humor!  And yikes!  I actually agree with 
the dreaded Woods!  ;-)  It's great!

Mike

You are indeed smart to dread me: your machine is next on the list for 
molecular re-structuring :-)


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Re: [expert] kernel-2.4.17-10mdk problems

2002-01-28 Thread Praedor Tempus

True enough...and I am presently running a mostly functional box with the 
kernel.org 2.4.17 kernel, but when I run into problems like I have mentioned, 
I wonder if there is something wrong with my box (a missing lib, screwed up 
config, bad hardware) and so I want to see it corrected.  I am also about to 
be connecting to/using a rather insecure network and hoped that having the 
grsecurity stuff would add an extra layer of protection to my system - AND I 
always hope that maybe Mandrake, vs kernel.org, has added something that will 
FIX MY SOUND PROBLEM.

As for this sound problem, I have built the solo1 driver (and sound support) 
into my kernel.  Every other sound-related module is off/not built and I have 
shut off alsa.  At this point I do not know if it is an inherent problem with 
KDE and arts or the kernel but EVERY time I startup, I get warning messages 
from Artsd that it could not connect to /tmp/mcop-praedor/my machine - some 
unique number string and that there was a CPU overload and the process is 
shutting down (artsd is shutting down).  I then have to manually restart 
artsd and then sound is OK.  This is not the way it should be.  It seems that 
KDE is retarded with regards to cleaning itself up - leaving servers/files in 
/tmp on a seemingly permanent basis rather than temporarily - and then KDE 
has a cow when it cannot connect to an OLD mcop server.

This is one of the main driving forces behind me trying to build the latest 
cooker kernels.  Beyond this sound problem, the system runs fine but DAMN I 
wish I could use a different soundserver properly with KDE rather than the 
braindead artsd.

On Sunday 27 January 2002 02:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Man, it just seems like you're wasting a lot of time working on this
 when you've got a fully functioning 2.4.17 kernel that you've
 successfully built from source.
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[expert] Network printer under attack

2002-01-28 Thread Stephen Boulet

Jobs are being sent to my printer (HP LaserJet 2100TN with built-in 
ethernet), which keeps printing until all the paper is gone. 

At the head of the sheet that gets repeatedly printed is: POST / HTTP/1.1.

Here is a tail from my /var/log/cups:

192.168.1.1 - - [20/Jan/2002:23:09:49 -0600] GET /ppd/laser.ppd HTTP/1.1 
200 22901
127.0.0.1 - - [20/Jan/2002:23:09:51 -0600] POST /printers/ HTTP/1.1 200 77
127.0.0.1 - - [20/Jan/2002:23:09:51 -0600] POST /classes/ HTTP/1.1 200 77
127.0.0.1 - - [20/Jan/2002:23:09:51 -0600] POST /printers/ HTTP/1.1 200 77
127.0.0.1 - - [20/Jan/2002:23:09:51 -0600] POST /jobs/ HTTP/1.1 200 114
127.0.0.1 - - [20/Jan/2002:23:09:51 -0600] POST / HTTP/1.1 200 202
192.168.1.1 - - [20/Jan/2002:23:09:51 -0600] GET /ppd/laser.ppd HTTP/1.1 
200 22901

It looks like my box is expecting something from the printer and sending it 
requests. Anyone know what's going on? Thanks.

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[expert] autologin, twice!

2002-01-28 Thread Lars Nordin

I have a Mandrake v8.0 system that has been upgraded from Mandrake 7.2 and 
7.1.

The problem I have is that the system automatically logs me in as it should 
at boot up but when I log out instead of going to the KDM screen, it logs me 
in again.

How can I track down how the system is autologging me back in?

Note, with the second autologin, the fonts of several things are the wrong 
size and the typematic key rate doesn't work.



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[expert] cmpci.o sound module does not work anymore

2002-01-28 Thread Tessone, Claudio Juan


Hi!
I've got Mandrake-8.1 since its  release. And a C-Media sound card
since almost two years ago onboard and a P3 processor. The
module cmpci.o worked fine for me, and even worked when I had
 Mandrake 6.x and insalled the source that came with the cdrom of the
mainboard

I can't remember doing nothing silly to my box :), but after one
reboot, the sound is not working anymore. It is really strange, but
under windows it still works (really strange, isn't it???). That's why I
assume the soundcard still lives.

I recompiled the kernel enabling and disabling some of the
switches present for the cmpci module, but al the sound I get is a
crunch each  time sndconfig begins to and finishes to play a sound to
test if the sound works (after detected the card).

Another thing that happens is that when I loud the volume (up to
90 or 100 percent) some noises (like scratches) may be heard while
louding.

Does anybody know any diagnose I can do to test what is
happening?? Perhaps should change something in the code and recompile the
module.

Thanks in advance.



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Re: [expert] Single floppy with frame buffer, nano-X, and rwin RDPclient to boot diskless computer

2002-01-28 Thread kwan

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Joe L. Casale wrote:

 Has anyone ever made one of these, or know how to:
 1) pass vga=791 to kernel without using lilo?
 I don't think I will be able to fit a slim kernel, and the binaries
 along with a root fs one floppy if I have to add lilo!
 I am very new to Linux, and know nothing, but have this daunting task,
 and its proving a big learning curve.

rdev should be able to do it.

You probably already know this, but there's an application called
busybox that you can use to minimize the size of applications. It's an
all-in-one binary that provides shell, network, fs utils, etc.. If you
build it against a minimal glibc it can make a small image. I've not
gotten it to floppy sized yet, but it works well of disk-on-chip
devices.




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[expert] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-28 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva


Hi People,

It's just a commentary.

I really regret the day when I buy my GeForce.  Since I only found
out later, there's no open source drivers for such graphic-card (by now I
don't know).  And since Nvidia seems not be interest about Linux since
they don't give graphic-card parameters so Linux developers can make an
appropriate driver, I really recommend to not buy Nvidia products if you
intend to run Linux box at full power.
Such Nvidia proprietary solution can make the card rock but it's
worse than using Winblows.

Free Software and Open Source code is the *only* way for Linux.

Hail GNU!

Now I agree with mplayer developer guys.  Nvidia is *REALLY BAD*.

---
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---
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  Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho
   Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ
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RE: [expert] Single floppy with frame buffer, nano-X, and rwin RDP client to boot diskless computer

2002-01-28 Thread Joe L. Casale

Firstly, I want to thank you!
Secondly, you are too generous! My Linux experience started a week ago,
he he. The reason I'm in this list is obvious though, it's a tough Q! So
what is rdev? You'll have to humor me, I don't know squat!
Thanks!!
jlc

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Single floppy with frame buffer, nano-X, and rwin
RDP client to boot diskless computer

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Joe L. Casale wrote:

 Has anyone ever made one of these, or know how to:
 1) pass vga=791 to kernel without using lilo?
 I don't think I will be able to fit a slim kernel, and the binaries
 along with a root fs one floppy if I have to add lilo!
 I am very new to Linux, and know nothing, but have this daunting task,
 and its proving a big learning curve.

rdev should be able to do it.

You probably already know this, but there's an application called
busybox that you can use to minimize the size of applications. It's an
all-in-one binary that provides shell, network, fs utils, etc.. If you
build it against a minimal glibc it can make a small image. I've not
gotten it to floppy sized yet, but it works well of disk-on-chip
devices.






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Re: [expert] renaming large number of files.

2002-01-28 Thread Pierre Fortin

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:35:52 -0200 (BRST)
Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does any body know how to find a ' list '  of resources from Linux?

Press the TAB key at a prompt, then answer y...  :^)

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Re: [expert] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-28 Thread Ronald J. Hall

Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
 
 Hi People,
 
 It's just a commentary.
 
 I really regret the day when I buy my GeForce.  Since I only found
 out later, there's no open source drivers for such graphic-card (by now I
 don't know).  And since Nvidia seems not be interest about Linux since
 they don't give graphic-card parameters so Linux developers can make an
 appropriate driver, I really recommend to not buy Nvidia products if you
 intend to run Linux box at full power.
 Such Nvidia proprietary solution can make the card rock but it's
 worse than using Winblows.
 
 Free Software and Open Source code is the *only* way for Linux.
 
 Hail GNU!
 
 Now I agree with mplayer developer guys.  Nvidia is *REALLY BAD*.
 
 ---
 Alan Wilter S. da Silva
 ---
  Laboratório de Física Biológica
   Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho
Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ
 Rio de Janeiro, Brasil

I fully agree with you...but...what do you do for 3D accelerated games like
Quake 3, Rune, Soldier of Fortune, etc, etc,...? Sure, you can grab an old
Voodoo but they are showing their age now with the latest games. I've got a 11
year old, and I have a Geforce 2 under Mandrake 8.0 for him. He loves the
games. Only boots into Windoze now for games that we can't play under Linux
(mostly Starcraft networking - and if Transgaming ever gets Winex to play
networking with that game then Windows is dead). 

I've not yet heard of a good 3D accelerated card that is completely open
source. The ATI Radeon seems to have potential but I've heard a lot of users
say they never got 3D working right with it...

Just as soon as a modern/fast video card is proven to be easy to setup and
completely open-source, I'd sell my Nvidia in a heartbeat and buy it... ;-)

Later...

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[expert] palm hotsync

2002-01-28 Thread Tom Badran

Im trying to get my palm (m100) to hotsync with my laptop through
infrared. The software im trying to use is the gnome (from evolution i
believe) palm conduit. 

In my bios, the IR port is set as:

COM 2   2F8 IRQ3

With the following options:
( ) IRDA (HPSIR)
( ) ASK IR
(*) FAST IR

(*) DMA 0
( ) DMA 1

The relevent modules that are loaded by the /etc/init.d/irda script are:
irda
irtty

I have irda-utils installed also.

When the gnome pilot wizard tries to retrieve the user name and
password, i get a waiting for sender message on the palm, and nothing
happens (i have left for 10 mins).

Has anyone had any success using IR with a palm device, using the gnome
software or jpilot, and could they possiblt help me with this. I have
never used an IR device on linux, or any other OS before so dont really
know where to begin.

Thanks in adv.

Tom

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Re: [expert] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-28 Thread Onur Kucuk



AWSdS Hi People,

AWSdS It's just a commentary.

AWSdS I really regret the day when I buy my GeForce.  Since I only found
AWSdS out later, there's no open source drivers for such graphic-card (by now I
AWSdS don't know).  And since Nvidia seems not be interest about Linux since
AWSdS they don't give graphic-card parameters so Linux developers can make an
AWSdS appropriate driver, I really recommend to not buy Nvidia products if you
AWSdS intend to run Linux box at full power.
AWSdS Such Nvidia proprietary solution can make the card rock but it's
AWSdS worse than using Winblows.

AWSdS Free Software and Open Source code is the *only* way for Linux.

AWSdS Hail GNU!

AWSdS Now I agree with mplayer developer guys.  Nvidia is *REALLY BAD*.


  Before doing something about nvidia, which gives its customers
  fast, easy installable, working drivers, I suggest you try your
  nice advices on the companies that does not  really  support
  linux in any way.

  Have you ever tried to make an hsf or hcf modem work ? Have you ever
  seen i740(intel) do a 3d opengl fast as it should be ? ..

  At least all of nvidia based systems I made are working flawlessly, very
  fast and reliable, and the difference with the above, they are
  working. As long as they are making my nvidia card working on linux
  better than windows, and they dont cause me trouble, I will be using
  nvidia.

  Nvidia may be closed source, but before it comes to argue about the
  open/close source, first argue working/not working...

  I believe that many people are too much keen on nvidia, even
  though they are doing very great job compared to lots of many
  companies out there, doing nothing.
  
 Regards,
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Re: [expert] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-28 Thread Praedor Tempus

I use a basic ATI Radeon 32 MB video card in my box (OEM) and it works 
perfectly (now) out of the box.  Before around Mandrake 8.1 I was 
downloading, building, and installing the DRM source but the XFree86 4.1.0 
supplied with 8.1 works out of the box.  

At this time, the ATI Radeon 8500 isn't supported but the 7500 is.  I like 
it, actually.  I play Heretic II, Terminus, Quake, Half-Life (via wine) 
without problem.  

As for NVidia, I don't trust them.  They are in close cahoots with M$ via the 
Xbox and since they don't release specs for developers - if they decide 
(perhaps as a favor to M$?) to end support for linux then future NVidia cards 
would be nonstarters.  You would be safe for NOW, but who knows about the 
future?

I'll be sticking with ATI for the forseeable future.

On Monday 28 January 2002 10:56 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
  Hi People,
 
  It's just a commentary.
 
  I really regret the day when I buy my GeForce.  Since I only
  found out later, there's no open source drivers for such graphic-card (by
  now I don't know).  And since Nvidia seems not be interest about Linux
[...]
 I fully agree with you...but...what do you do for 3D accelerated games like
 Quake 3, Rune, Soldier of Fortune, etc, etc,...? Sure, you can grab an old
 Voodoo but they are showing their age now with the latest games. I've got a
 11 year old, and I have a Geforce 2 under Mandrake 8.0 for him. He loves
 the games. Only boots into Windoze now for games that we can't play under
 Linux (mostly Starcraft networking - and if Transgaming ever gets Winex to
 play networking with that game then Windows is dead).

 I've not yet heard of a good 3D accelerated card that is completely open
 source. The ATI Radeon seems to have potential but I've heard a lot of
 users say they never got 3D working right with it...
[...]

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Re: [expert] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-28 Thread Mike Leone

 As for NVidia, I don't trust them.  They are in close cahoots with M$ via the 
 Xbox and since they don't release specs for developers - if they decide 
 (perhaps as a favor to M$?) to end support for linux then future NVidia cards 
 would be nonstarters.  You would be safe for NOW, but who knows about the 
 future?

If they're not releasing specs now, what more can they do to end support? Not release 
closed-source binaries? Then we're right where some want us to be ... no 3D on an 
nVidia board, since the open source drivers (which will be the only ones available) 
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Re: [expert] Euro problem, only Spanish locale? -- THE SOLUTION???

2002-01-28 Thread Leopold Palomo Avellaneda

Hi,

I begin to be a bit frustrate. I can see the euro symbol. I can copy it, ¤,

I have tested with this configuration:

SYSFONT=lat0-sun16
LC_CTYPE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MONETARY=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANGUAGE=ca:es_ES:es:es_ES:en:en_EN
LC_TIME=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_COLLATE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANG=ca
SYSFONTACM=iso15

and with this configuration:

SYSFONT=lat0-sun16
LC_CTYPE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MONETARY=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANGUAGE=ca.ISO-8859-15:ca_ES.ISO-8859-15:es_ES.ISO-8859-15:es.ISO-8859-15:es_ES.ISO-8859-15:en.ISO-8859-15:en_EN.ISO-8859-15

LC_TIME=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_COLLATE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=ca_ES.ISO-8859-15
LANG=ca
SYSFONTACM=iso15

I use kde 2.2.1 and I have selected in control panel the iso8859-15 charset, 
and well,

I'm not be able to write a ¤ with the altgr+E keys. Neither using kate, 
kwrite, konsole, etc. 

So, well. I don't know waht to do. Maybe is something about the spanish 
keyboard, or similar, but ... I don't know what to do ...

Best regards,

Leo


A Dissabte 26 Gener 2002 20:09, Francisco Castanheiro va escriure:
 Em Sábado 26 Janeiro 2002 17:20, escreveste:
  I changed it to:
 
  --
  SYSFONT=lat0-sun16
  LC_CTYPE=es_ES.ISO-8859-15
  LC_MONETARY=es_ES.ISO-8859-15
  LANGUAGE=es_ES:es

 Try this: LANGUAGE=es_ES.ISO-8859-15

  LANG=es

 Try : LANG=es_ES.ISO-8859-15

  Where is the error (if any)?

 I don't know about printing, but you should be able to type and see the
 ¤. I saw somewhere that some old printers couldn't print the ¤, but i
 don't know if this is your case.

 Good Luck.

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[expert] Mandrake 8.2 Beta

2002-01-28 Thread Timothy R. Butler

Hi everyone,
  I see that LM 8.2 Beta is out, and I was just wondering if anyone here 
knows if the final release will be delayed long enough for KDE 3.0 to be 
included? It seems ashame for a new release to come out without this new, 
binary incompatible version of KDE...

  Thanks,
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Re: [expert] Mdk 7.1 / Sparc Updates?

2002-01-28 Thread Vincent Danen

On Fri Jan 25, 2002 at 04:19:06PM -0700, David Oberbeck wrote:

Does anyone know of a mirror with the 7.1 Sparc
 updates? All of the mirror sites that I have been able
 to find have the directory
 
  .../updates/7.1/sparc/RPMS
 
 but they are blank... is this a case of bit-rot?

We don't provide updates for 7.1/SPARC.  If you want to apply updates
to it, you'll need to rebuild the 7.1/x86 packages yourself.

Sorry, but we've never provided updates for the SPARC port.

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Re: [expert] Post install oddity

2002-01-28 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sat Jan 26, 2002 at 10:16:28AM -0800, Deryk Barker wrote:

  You need to follow the instructions on the security updates website
  for the kernels... it is not meant to be done via MandrakeUpdate.
  That is likely why your attempt got kinda hosed.
 
 OK, but it would have been nice if there were some kind of warning to
 that effect. MandrakeUpdate offers the option of security updates and
 included the kernel in the list of available updates.

In MandrakeUpdate there is another tab... I believe it's called
Details which gives the details of the security update for the
selected package (ie. what's wrong, etc.).  If you look at this tab on
the kernel update, there should be a big warning not to use MU to do
it and to look at the web advisory.

I agree that it's not too intuitive and I would prefer MU to list
kernels but when trying to install it report the warning and tell the
user to do it manually.  Unfortunately, I'm not the MU developer and
can't force that kind of change that other developers disagree with.

  Or read the Black Magic of Updating piece I wrote for MandrakeSecure:
  
  http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/magic.php
 
 I shall do so, thanks.

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Re: [expert] URGENT kernel location

2002-01-28 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sun Jan 27, 2002 at 02:33:56PM +, richard wrote:

 I urgently need a copy of kernel-2.4.16- mdk.i586.rpm,
 all I can find on cooker is 2.4.17-10mdk, I lost the rpm I had when I
 had to rebiuld after trying to get abiword working.
 can some one point me to a site that has the rpm on, I could if the
 worst happens always down load the tarball off kernel.org, but I'd
 prefer to use the mdk rpm for supermount etc.

Look in unsupported on the FTP mirrors in the lids/
subdirectory... there is a 2.4.16 kernel in there with the appropriate
LIDS package that provides a patch to that version.  It's only the
source RPM, but you can rebuild it on your own since the alternative
is doing that anyways (but at least this way you get all the mdk patches).

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Re: [expert] Good audio recording program?

2002-01-28 Thread Expert

I don't know if you have tested audacity' before, but here
is a url for it.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/linux.html


Hope this helps.



On Sunday 27 January 2002 07:05 pm, D. R. Evans wrote:
 On 26 Jan 02, at 9:48, William Bouterse wrote:
  Have you considered SoundStudio?
  http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/studio/SoundStudio-1.0.6.tar.gz
 
  It has always worked for me since LM 6.x, though I must
  admit I have never tried it under KDE and 'aarts' as I use other WM's
  It used to be inscluded in contribs though I have not seen it there in
  awhile.

 I'll go take a look at it. Although, frankly, at this point I'm almost
 ready to forget the whole thing and just use my Windows box to record
 sound. It took about five minutes to get it working under Windows --
 and most of that was spent downloading a driver that supports recording
 -- and I must have spent eight or nine hours on it so far under Linux;
 what's really depressing is that it's not obvious that I'm any closer
 than I was at the beginning :-(

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Re: [expert] Why Journalled FS do I have to use??!!! I'm disturbed!!!

2002-01-28 Thread John Haywood

On Tuesday 29 January 2002 01:56, you wrote:
 Hi Folks,

 Good question.  We have a cluster here working in XFS (scsi HD).
 No problem at all and it was choosen due to documentation and SGI name.
 But it's using Red Hat.  Does MDK work fine with XFS?  Is the
 procedure installation of XFS in MDK equal to the one in Red Hat?

 Thanks for any attention.

Had XFS running on my server since the beginning, after having read about 
some (rare) cases of corruption on RFS. The boot partition's still ext2, just 
for paranoia's sake, though. The box has been up for (quick ssh to check) 
over a month since some security upgrades, and a month or so before, and no 
probs.


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Re: [expert] Problems with gkrellm plugin, GKrellWeather and Message.pm -- fix before 8.2?

2002-01-28 Thread John Haywood

On Monday 28 January 2002 11:33, you wrote:
 This has been going on for quite some time, and we've finally tracked it
 down.
 When running gkrellm and the GKrellWeather plugin, it fails on the
 following:

 400 FTP return code 500 at /usr/X11R6/bin/GrabWeather line 49.

 which eventually tracks the troublemaker down to
 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/HTTP/Message.pm  Once that's removed, it
 works fine.

 I thought it was perhaps the version of perl-libwww-perl that shipped with
 8.1  so I installed the version available via cooker (5.63-2mdk) to no
 avail.  It's simply if /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/HTTP/Message.pm
 exists, GKrellWeather can't grab the weather.

Sorry to contradict your findings, but.

running with the following:

perl-libwww-perl-5.63-2mdk
gkrellm-1.2.4-2mdk
gkrellm-plugins-1.2.4-1mdk

and the weather plug-in runs just peachy
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[expert] Euro problem

2002-01-28 Thread Joan Tur

Es Dilluns 28 Gener 2002 11:37, en Leopold Palomo Avellaneda va escriure:
 I use kde 2.2.1 and I have selected in control panel the iso8859-15
 charset, and well,
 I'm not be able to write a ¤ with the altgr+E keys. Neither using kate,
 kwrite, konsole, etc.
 So, well. I don't know waht to do. Maybe is something about the spanish
 keyboard, or similar, but ... I don't know what to do ...
I'm able to have the Euro symbol everywhere but kmail !!  8-O

I've tryed in a console, opera, galeon...

Here's my /etc/sysconfig/i18n :
[quini@quinipc quini]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/i18n
SYSFONT=lat0-sun16
LC_CTYPE=es_ES@euro
LC_MONETARY=es_ES@euro
LANGUAGE=es_ES.ISO-8859-15
LC_TIME=es_ES@euro
LC_NUMERIC=es_ES@euro
LC_COLLATE=es_ES@euro
LC_MESSAGES=es_ES@euro
LANG=es_ES.ISO-8859-15
SYSFONTACM=iso15

Ah!  I've forgotten to mention that i can also print it...
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Re: [expert] Why Journalled FS do I have to use??!!! I'mdisturbed!!!

2002-01-28 Thread Jason Guidry

On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 08:56, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 
   Good question.  We have a cluster here working in XFS (scsi HD).
 No problem at all and it was choosen due to documentation and SGI name.
 But it's using Red Hat.  Does MDK work fine with XFS?  Is the
 procedure installation of XFS in MDK equal to the one in Red Hat?
 

I've had great success with XFS, EXT3 and ReiserFS on Mandrake.  On
mandrake it's incredibly easy - you just pick which you want during
install partitioning.  

The latest redhat I've played with is 7.1, and it gives no options
during install - defaults to ext3.  dunno 'bout 7.2.






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Re: [expert] Why Journalled FS do I have to use??!!! I'mdisturbed!!!

2002-01-28 Thread Brian Parish

Civileme suggested XFS to me when an issue came up over Reiser's
compatibility with NFS.  Last I heard there was still a question mark
over this, so I would go XFS or EXT3 if you are going to use NFS
mounts.  Otherwise - flip a coin?

Brian

On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 11:15, Jason Guidry wrote:
 On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 08:56, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
  Hi Folks,
  
  Good question.  We have a cluster here working in XFS (scsi HD).
  No problem at all and it was choosen due to documentation and SGI name.
  But it's using Red Hat.  Does MDK work fine with XFS?  Is the
  procedure installation of XFS in MDK equal to the one in Red Hat?
  
 
 I've had great success with XFS, EXT3 and ReiserFS on Mandrake.  On
 mandrake it's incredibly easy - you just pick which you want during
 install partitioning.  
 
 The latest redhat I've played with is 7.1, and it gives no options
 during install - defaults to ext3.  dunno 'bout 7.2.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.2 Beta

2002-01-28 Thread mike

KDE 3.0 is in RC1, and I can't imagine rushing a distro to market not waiting 
for it.



On Monday 28 January 2002 16:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
  Hi everyone,
I see that LM 8.2 Beta is out, and I was just wondering if anyone here
  knows if the final release will be delayed long enough for KDE 3.0 to be
  included? It seems ashame for a new release to come out without this new,
  binary incompatible version of KDE...

 Given that KDE3.0 is still very much beta, I would prefer if it was
 *not* released with Mandrake 8.2.  I've built KDE3.0 from CVS on an 8.0
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Re: [expert] Why Journalled FS do I have to use??!!!I'm disturbed!!!

2002-01-28 Thread Ben De Luca

resierfs should be NFS happy since 2.4.7 (ish). Im a little concerned
with xfs though I use it a lot on SGI's, it just doenst seem to be
getting the support of the other file systems. Ive found ext3 to be
exceedingly slow on large volumes :(

I like resierfs and havnt seen any problems yet!  with about 1.5
terabytes in total of rfs file systems

On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 00:45, Brian Parish wrote:
 Civileme suggested XFS to me when an issue came up over Reiser's
 compatibility with NFS.  Last I heard there was still a question mark
 over this, so I would go XFS or EXT3 if you are going to use NFS
 mounts.  Otherwise - flip a coin?
 
 Brian
 
 On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 11:15, Jason Guidry wrote:
  On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 08:56, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
   Hi Folks,
   
 Good question.  We have a cluster here working in XFS (scsi HD).
   No problem at all and it was choosen due to documentation and SGI name.
   But it's using Red Hat.  Does MDK work fine with XFS?  Is the
   procedure installation of XFS in MDK equal to the one in Red Hat?
   
  
  I've had great success with XFS, EXT3 and ReiserFS on Mandrake.  On
  mandrake it's incredibly easy - you just pick which you want during
  install partitioning.  
  
  The latest redhat I've played with is 7.1, and it gives no options
  during install - defaults to ext3.  dunno 'bout 7.2.
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
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Re: [expert] (OT) Cases

2002-01-28 Thread dfox

Somebody Scribbled:

I'm looking for a good, decent quality case for a new box. I've seen a
bunch of junk, but not what I'm looking for.

Central Computer in Santa Clara, CA. I don't know if they ship, but
they do sell a few decent full-size towers and 1U rackmount type
cases. I don't recall the model # of my case, but it's a full tower blue
case. I really like it - it has several case fans, better than adequate
power supply as well as a nice easy method for opening the case - the
door can be easily swung aside in order to access the 'guts'. Additionally,
the two screws for tha case are very easy to work with - no screwdriver
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[expert] prostar 2253 laptop

2002-01-28 Thread William Moshier

8.1 installs, using the pcmcia image, without problems until the X 
initialization, both in normal, and expert mode.  It does need to boot 
with a boot: linux mem=120M  (assuming 8 MB shared video memory on a 
128MB system).  the X initialization correctly identifies the video as a 
SiS630 - but it fails to correctly display (screen is split vertically 
and horizontally), and locks the system when exiting.  XFree86 3.3.6, 
both accelerated, and normal.mode.

any ideas on what to do next?

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Re: [expert] prostar 2253 laptop

2002-01-28 Thread Jason Guidry

On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 20:26, William Moshier wrote:
 8.1 installs, using the pcmcia image, without problems until the X 
 initialization, both in normal, and expert mode.  It does need to boot 
 with a boot: linux mem=120M  (assuming 8 MB shared video memory on a 
 128MB system).  the X initialization correctly identifies the video as a 

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Re: [expert] prostar 2253 laptop

2002-01-28 Thread William Moshier

Jason Guidry wrote:

 On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 20:26, William Moshier wrote:
 
8.1 installs, using the pcmcia image, without problems until the X 
initialization, both in normal, and expert mode.  It does need to boot 
with a boot: linux mem=120M  (assuming 8 MB shared video memory on a 
128MB system).  the X initialization correctly identifies the video as a 

 
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Re: [expert] What firewall to use in MDK 8.1

2002-01-28 Thread daRcmaTTeR

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:35:30 -0500
David Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to
ponder:

 OK, did you reflush/restart your firewall?
 
 I am not an expert, but this is as far as my firewall knowledge goes.
 
 Dave.
 
 PS. My 139 is closed.

no, as a matter of fact I didn't. As far as I know that isn't necessary when
adding a new rule to the firewall. of course I could be wrong in my
understanding too. It's happened before. ;)

i'll give it a try and see what happens.

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Re: [expert] Why Journalled FS do I have to use??!!!

2002-01-28 Thread Rusty Carruth

 
 resierfs should be NFS happy since 2.4.7 (ish). Im a little concerned
 with xfs though I use it a lot on SGI's, it just doenst seem to be
 getting the support of the other file systems. Ive found ext3 to be
 exceedingly slow on large volumes :(

Huh.  Surprise surprise, I say.  I just installed a 8.1 machine,
set up with / as reiser and /boot as ext2.  I recently decided
that I wanted to mount an nfs thingy on /home/userid, and it worked
just fine and dandy, so I suppose the answer is:  NFS and Reiser
work for me ;-)

 I like resierfs and havnt seen any problems yet!  with about 1.5
 terabytes in total of rfs file systems

Yikes.  Here I thought my little old 40 gig drive was cool!  ;-)

  Civileme suggested XFS to me when an issue came up over Reiser's
  compatibility with NFS.  Last I heard there was still a question mark
  over this, so I would go XFS or EXT3 if you are going to use NFS
  mounts.  Otherwise - flip a coin?

Well, I see I'm going to have to try xfs too ;-)  (Just so I know
if there's any diff.  I'd tried ext3 for a bit, but have since
switched to reiser as it 'feels' faster - whatever THAT means!)

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Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.2 Beta

2002-01-28 Thread Timothy R. Butler

Hi Mike,
 KDE 3.0 is in RC1, and I can't imagine rushing a distro to market not
 waiting for it.

  That's what I was thinking. I remember when KDE 2.0 came out it was so much 
nicer once I got a version of my then current distro (SuSE) that came with 
KDE 2 rather than having my manual upgrades to KDE 2.0 installed (since 
numerous applications didn't work right, and things weren't as nice and 
optimized, IMO).
  It would be ashame that we would have to wait for MDK 8.3 in September (or 
somewhere around there), to finally get KDE 3.0 installed with Mandrake 8.3...

  As someone on another list I'm on put it - Hey not every body wants to do 
a 110 Mb download and then spend a weekend sorting things out.

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[expert] partition strangeness

2002-01-28 Thread Deryk Barker

I have a Maxtor 16GB drive, whose only strangeness as far as I know,
is that it has 2100 cylinders.

When I use fdisk on the drive I see reasonable numbers. When I
partition it using diskdrake everything also looks reasonable.

BUT.I have one partition of 384M (swap)plus two others of 9.7GB
and 5.9GB. When I format and mount these last two, the reported sizes
(and I have filled one up to confirmn this) are, respectively, 1.8GB
and 1.9GB - yes, that's right the smaller partition comes up as bigger
and bother are far too small.

I've tried both Reiser and ext2 (for some reason, although diskdrake
offers me all sorts of other types, JFS, ext3 etc, the appropriate
mkfs files aren't installed) and both see only the sizes I quoted
above.

Has anyone any idea of what is going on? I have two other drives
including a 40GB ATA-100 which works just fine, and has partitions
of 15GB and 23GB...

I am baffled.
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[expert] urpmi fixed

2002-01-28 Thread NDPTAL85

Just got a tip that to update my urpmi databases you can use 
urpmi.update -a which will update any sources you have loaded. This 
fixes my problem.







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Re: [expert] Mdk 7.1 / Sparc Updates?

2002-01-28 Thread Vincent Danen

On Mon Jan 28, 2002 at 04:07:20PM -0700, David Oberbeck wrote:

Thank you for responding.
 
As I understand it, Mdk (and Red Hat as well) for Sparc is dead
 as a dodo; lack of demand relative to i586, probably.

I think so.  Mind you, the PPC port seems quite popular, and I suspect
the IA64 port will be as well.  But there isn't too much for SPARC in
the Linux world anymore, except for Debian and maybe a few others.

It's a pity, really... oh well; I guess I'll have to dig out Solaris
 disks.

=(  You could always use BSD like me...  I have OpenBSD running on my
SparcStation2 because nothing much else will run on it.

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[expert] from a distance

2002-01-28 Thread bascule

reading user experiences of msmount i see a few people saying that a trailing 
/ is needed on paths, you've probably done this right?

bascule



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Re: [expert] partition strangeness

2002-01-28 Thread James

Deryk,
   If this drive has been used for a while maybe a low level format will
bring it back.  I was helping a friend a while back recover some old
computers for schools in the area.  A lot of the drives had simular
problems (although not as large a drive)  2 gig drives with 1 gig of
usable space for example.  We would low level format the drives and then
poof they were back to normal most of the time. 

James


On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:33:11 -0800
Deryk Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a Maxtor 16GB drive, whose only strangeness as far as I know,
 is that it has 2100 cylinders.
 
 When I use fdisk on the drive I see reasonable numbers. When I
 partition it using diskdrake everything also looks reasonable.
 
 BUT.I have one partition of 384M (swap)plus two others of 9.7GB
 and 5.9GB. When I format and mount these last two, the reported sizes
 (and I have filled one up to confirmn this) are, respectively, 1.8GB
 and 1.9GB - yes, that's right the smaller partition comes up as bigger
 and bother are far too small.
 
 I've tried both Reiser and ext2 (for some reason, although diskdrake
 offers me all sorts of other types, JFS, ext3 etc, the appropriate
 mkfs files aren't installed) and both see only the sizes I quoted
 above.
 
 Has anyone any idea of what is going on? I have two other drives
 including a 40GB ATA-100 which works just fine, and has partitions
 of 15GB and 23GB...
 
 I am baffled.
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Re: [expert] from a distance

2002-01-28 Thread bascule

my bad, it's 6 in the morning here and this was meant to go to a friend,  i 
wasn't paying attention - actually i blame kmail for automatically filling in 
the addy of the list folder you happen to be in even if you choose new 
message from the tool bar as opposed to r.click in the folder, but anyway, 
apologies all round, i shall hide now:-)

bascule

On Tuesday 29 January 2002 5:50 am, you wrote:
 reading user experiences of msmount i see a few people saying that a
 trailing / is needed on paths, you've probably done this right?

 bascule



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Re: [expert] renaming large number of files.

2002-01-28 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach »J. Grant« am 2002-01-28 um 15:44:32 +0900 :
 I just checked, and rename does not seem to support renaming files such 
 as pic1, pic2 - pic1.jpg pic2.jpg etc? or does it?
 
 it seems to require something to swap, the from option but if I want to 
 add at the end I can not.
 
 I think there are better ways to do this using a bash script and mv, i 
 am sure others have done this already.

Well, I don't use rename, so I'd suggest to have a look at my example
with the regexp again.  But in the case of pic1, pic2 - pic1.jpg,
pic2.jpg it's even simpler:

for f in *; do
mv $f $f.jpg
done

You can type this exactly like above on the shell prompt.

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[expert] Gnome update woes

2002-01-28 Thread Darren King

Ran red carpet yesterday as I do occaisonally.  Applied a bunch of
updates including a new gnome core.  Now, whenever I log in, the screen
flashes in and out of focus.  If I open up an app, it keeps losing focus
every couple of keystrokes making gnome unusable.

Mine is a mandrake 8.0 system running ximian gnome.

anyone else see this?

Darren





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