Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:32:44PM + : I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often. It too has an intel all in one Mobo. What kind I'm not sure as this box is an service apmd stop chkconfig apmd off Install another fan (ie keep the CPU/HD cooler than they are now). Compile a custom kernel removing some things that you know you don't use (saw that comment from someone elsewhere in the thread and I think it's a good idea). Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55950/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] NFS Permissions on Mandrake 8.2
Kayne McGladrey wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 09:54:32PM -0700 : Hi, Here's that output. I appreciate the continuing help. np Back to basics. What is in /var/lib/nfs/xtab? Is it what you expected? If you run 'exportfs -r' does it stay the same? I don't expect this to solve the problem, just making sure it's consistent. What is the suid bit set on that directory? Put the user in the same groups on both machines. Are you running quotas? What filesystem is /home? If it comes down to it, I suggest you: 1) make a directory in / and make it owned by you 2) put a symlink in your home dir if you like that points to it 3) export THAT directory You know you do have another option. You can start a samba server on one machine share the directory. Then she can use samba to mount the directory from the other linux box. Always an option... Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55951/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:41:36 -0700 Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority James wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:32:44PM + : I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often. It too has an intel all in one Mobo. What kind I'm not sure as this box is an service apmd stop chkconfig apmd off already done Install another fan (ie keep the CPU/HD cooler than they are now). CPU core temp never gets above 35.5C so cooling is not a problem (box has hdd fans chasiss fan and CPU fan. ) Compile a custom kernel removing some things that you know you don't use (saw that comment from someone elsewhere in the thread and I think it's a good idea). Doing that one next. James Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kdm remote login
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:21, bascule wrote: On Saturday 22 June 2002 2:14 pm, you wrote: On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:34, bascule wrote: is it possible to run kdm on two machines and have a local X console on one AND login remotely from the other machine and run X? i want to be able to login to an x session on a server from my workstation or run an x sesion on the server locally the workstation runs mandrake8.2 and the server runs prosuite 8.2 download edition I see what you're trying to do...it works perfectly for me though... I normally login to my server and someone remotely X's in from a slow workstation (in fact, it's happening right now!). I don't know what is happening but AFAIK: 1. you can keep the /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers as it is (automagically runs a display) and you can also let prefdm/kdm startup on your server machine (when I mean server, I mean the powerful network server machine, not the X-way of thinking which is reversed). However, if you want to use startx on your server, you must disable the line in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers but still allow prefdm/kdm to run. 2. to start the x session from the workstation, type X -query serveractually just in case, type X :1 -query server. 3. your problems may be related to having displays already started and startx fails because it tries to open up display :0 (symptom is usually Cannot open display)...this is why you need to comment out /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers if you want to use startx. Also, simply telinit 3; telinit 5 is usually not enough (it doesn't kill enough processes). You need to clean up the mess by telinit 3; killall kdm; killall X; telinit 5. This is probably causing you most of the trouble. 4. Ok, here is the way to debug: On your server: a) Change all those lines I told you to touch (including commenting out the line in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers) on your server machine. b) telinit 3 c) killall X d) killall kdm e) kdm At this point, kdm would read your new settings and hopefully it will not pop up a new display (i.e. it will _not_ bring up a login screen). f) type startx... Does it work (it should)? Then, on your thinclient/workstation: a) telinit 3 b) killall X c) killall kdm d) X :1 -query server Does it bring up the login screen of your server (it should)? If all this works, kill all your X displays and kdms on both computers. Then telinit 5 on both (again, kdm should _not_ bring up a login screen on the server). Try startx on your server (does it work?). Then try the X :1 -query server (does that work?). If all this works, all you need to do is comment out the line in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers for your workstation also so that you don't have to type X :1 instead of X. btw, what is Xnest? Thanks, pesarif understand you correctly, you only want a basic thin-client setup via X: i can get one or the other but cannot for the life of me get both to work i have done all the following that you recommend and also put: xdmcp :192.168.0. in /etc/hosts.allow both machines are behind a firewall on the same segment, i can login from the workstation but if i try to startx on the server i crash straight out, startkde also gives me 'can't find display' messages, whether i comment out or not the line in xdm-config i can no longer get a remote login using Xnest -query server after i telinit3 and ten telinit5, also the monitor connected to the server is completely blank, on all consoles, via ssh to the server: #ps wax shows 13155 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/kdm -nodaemon 13162 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/kdm_config -nodaemon 13164 ?Z 0:00 [X defunct] 13176 ?S 0:00 sh -c /usr/bin/chvt 1; echo /dev/tty1 ; echo Press return to continue. /dev/tty1 ; /sbin/init 3 13177 ?S 0:01 /usr/bin/chvt 1 13188 pts/0R 0:00 ps wax if i edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers and comment out the line: :0 local /bin/nice -n -10 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -deferglyphs 16 -nolisten tcp then i can get a remote login with Xnest after i telinit 5 on the server but i still can't get a local session on the server but this only if i don't comment out the line in xdm-config in which case #ps wax gives: 12647 tty1 S 0:00 -bash 13973 ?R 0:48 /bin/sh /etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon 13977 pts/0R 0:00 ps wax if i comment out the line in xdm-config and telinit 3 then 5 kdm doesn't even start at all on the server it doesn't help that the line in Xservers that i have to comment out keeps uncommenting itself - i kid you not, it took me an hour to find that the reason i couldn't repeat the above prior to writing this post was because that happens, putting all files back to how they were disables remote login of course but i still have to reinstall the server to get a local x session, three times i've done this, running #ps wax after restoring files and telinit 3/5 gives: 14745 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/kdm -nodaemon 14752 ?S 0:00
Re: [expert] unable to read write enabled floppy disk
Try removing the disk, then as root:
umount -f /floppy
(if you get any busy messages, get rid of the offending processes)
And then everything might be back to normal (quirk with linux)
Checking your / filesystem may help as well (e2fsck or reiserfsck or other).
Does that work?
pesarif
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:53, Azrael wrote:
I am using Mdk8.2
I can read a write protected floppy disk.
I cannot read from a write-enabled floppy disk. Nor ls the contents, nor
write to the disk.
This is the line in /etc/fstab :
/mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=vfat,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,sync,codepage=850
0 0
The floppy mounts ok, but when I try to ls the floppy I get:
ls: floppy/: Input/output error
If I try: less -f /dev/fd0 :
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Non-System disk or disk error
Replace and strike any key when ready
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Disk Boot failure
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and that the disk is not corrupt (it works on a windows laptop).
If I try and cd into the floppy directory:
bash: cd: floppy/: Input/output error
Can anyone help please?
many thanks
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Re: [expert] kdm remote login
thanks for still taking the trouble to help me! i will follow your troubleshooting but very quickly: Xnest is something a friend told me about which meant i could open a konsole in kde on my workstation and type 'Xnest -query :1 servername/ip' or similar and a window would open, this would give me a login screen on the server in a window on the workstation, but only as i've described earlier when i was unable to also login locally on the server, alternatively ctrl-alt-fNX -query servername/ip would work as well there was a package called Xnest iirc :-) bascule On Tuesday 02 July 2002 9:55 am, you wrote: If all this works, all you need to do is comment out the line in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers for your workstation also so that you don't have to type X :1 instead of X. btw, what is Xnest? Thanks, pesarif -- The cat turned and tried to find a place of safety in the suit's breastplate. He was beginning to doubt he'd make it through the knight. (Lords and Ladies) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GDM doesn't remember default/last desktop
There was a thread on this very problem a while back. Go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and search for the subject cannot set gnome as default session. In one of my posts, I described what I thought to be the problem, but I don't remember whether my suspicions were confirmed or denied. I do believe it's a software flaw. I have 8.2, and I don't remember if the problem still exists (I've been using KDE for a while). But I'll tell you what I did to hack a solution: since fndSession calls chksession, I changed two lines in chksession that deleted and recreated the Default link. I changed Default to default and gdm took it. (Just read my posts for clarity on that. Try at your own risk. :D) - Kathy On Sun, 2002-06-23 at 15:11, Dave Sherman wrote: Yes, I had already made that change in order to be able to use gdm in the first place. I should also point out that kdm works perfectly, remembering my last session, even though the default is still kde. As long as I log into Gnome, then I will get Gnome the next time -- even after a reboot. Also, for what it's worth, I ran into this problem a number of months ago when I did not have Ximian yet. I figured since I was running Gnome I might as well use gdm for my login manager. But after a week of screwing around with it, I gave up and went back to kdm because I knew that kdm *worked*. My only conclusion can be that Mandrake's version of gdm is flawed, and installing Ximian did not overcome the problem. Perhaps it is one of the startup scripts, overwriting any changes that are made to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf or some other file? Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] RAM increase...swap too?
I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. Darren Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
Am Die, 2002-07-02 um 16.44 schrieb Darren King: I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. Fire up as many applications as you could possible use at the same time (mozilla, Star Office, etc.) and see what happens with RAM and SWAP Jan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NVidia GeForce MX200 w/K7S5A Mdk8.2
On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, civileme wrote: Well, it sounds like you are using the latest commercial NVidia drivers. Yes -- acceleration works perfectly and gears is a blur. :) Framebuffer is not well supported by NVidia or their drivers. All I see on booting framebuffer with an NForce chipset is the blue bar along the bottom, though framebuffer worked outstandingly for the install. With XFree drivers I get good framebuffer results except when switching out to console where the vga= has been lost. This isn't apparently a fixable problem without some better tech info from NVidia. I was afraid of that. The annoying thing is that I can't seem to even disable fb completely. If I specify vga=none in lilo.conf, the machine will still boot with a fb logo in the top left. The first time I'd thought that maybe I'd forgotten to rerun lilo, but this was not the case. I then tried rebuilding a kernel with fb completely disabled. No logo, but X refuses to start with No screens found errors. The reason this is so annoying is that I spend 90% of my time on the console and because this works on all the other machines, I often find myself pressing CTL-ALT-Fx to get a quick shell. I even considered building only a serial console so that there were no consoles... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 10:01 am, you wrote: Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott We use Mandrake as an ISP and in production servers as well. Naive use is not recommended. You will have to do some tuning. Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] A little network help?
I have a setup question in getting a home network going. I have a desktop system which connects to the net by dialup (at the moment). I have a PCI-to-PCMCIA adaptor for a pcmcia wlan card and a USB wlan - whichever I can get working first stays. I also have a laptop with a wlan card. What I want to do is have the desktop act as an access point for my laptop and then have the laptop/desktop share the modem connection to the net. My question regards gateway and gateway device. I think I understand this but can someone help me? On the desktop, the connection is, as stated, via /dev/modem. Do I leave the gateway address alone and set gateway device to /dev/modem? Do I leave both alone? On the laptop I assume I just set gateway to the IP of the wlan card on the desktop (the access point) which is 10.0.0.1. Do I leave gateway device unset/alone or do I set it to wlan0 (or eth0 as the case may be)? Finally, a question on another matter. Is there anyone in the list with a DSL account (dynamic, not static IP) that also makes use of dynamic dns services (dydns)? If so, how do you set THAT up? I assume you have a DSL router/modem that probably runs a NAT network for your system(s). If this is the case, how do you get dydns updated with your IP address? If your DSL router assigns your system address 10.0.0.5, then obviously updating dydns with that IP will fail and I doubt there is a client app that can be loaded on a DSL router that will keep dydns updated...or is there? praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On 3 Jul 2002, Darren King wrote: I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. Darren Darren, with 1/2 GB of RAM, unless you're doing real heavy graphics or audio processing, then you shouldn't need to do anything with your swap space. with that much ram it's very doubtful you even touch your swap partition at all. -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On July 2, 2002 10:44 am, Darren King wrote: I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. Darren I'm using 512Mb with 256Mb swap at the moment and precisely zero of my swap is being used at the moment and this is the typical state of memory in my system these days-- even when I do something system-intensive things like compiling I don't come close to using my swap space. Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] ipop3d Connection Refused
Every once in a while there comes the time for me to vainly try and get
this working again in the hopes that there will be fresh blood that will
think of the test no one thought of before. So here goes.
The problem is this: I am trying to run a pop3 daemon so I can send and
receive my email on my home system as well as provide email addresses to
users of my website without them needing to learn linux and pine.
I have imap-2001a-4mdk installed.
I am running:Linux www.eq-viatores.org 2.4.8-12mdk #1 Fri Aug 24 16:18:19
CEST 2001 i686
eth0 is internal network
eth1 is external network
--
xinetd.conf:
defaults
{
instances = 60
log_type= SYSLOG authpriv
log_on_success = HOST PID
log_on_failure = HOST RECORD
}
swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin/swat swat
includedir /etc/xinetd.d
--
ls /etc/xinetd.d
chargen* daytime* echo-udp* ipop2* pop3*
rsync* time-udp*
chargen-udp* daytime-udp* imap* ipop3* pop3s*
swat*
cvs* echo* imaps* linuxconf-web* proftpd-xinetd*
time*
-
ipop3:
service pop3
{
socket_type = stream
wait= no
user= root
server = /usr/sbin/ipop3d
log_on_success += USERID
log_on_failure += USERID
}
--
rc.firewall:
#!/bin/bash
echo Enabling Forwarding
echo
echo 1/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
iptables -F INPUT
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
iptables -F OUTPUT
iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
iptables -F FORWARD
iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 81 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 5900 -j DNAT --to-destination
192.168.0.1
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 5800 -j DNAT --to-destination
192.168.0.1
-
hosts.allow
swat: 127.0.0.1 192.168.0
pop3: ALL
--
hosts.deny (empty)
---
/etc/services
snip
pop3110/tcpPost Office Protocol - Version 3
pop3110/udpPost Office Protocol - Version 3
snip
---
telnet localhost 110
Trying 68.44.71.113...
telnet: connect to address 68.44.71.113: Connection refused
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
--
Any takers?
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Re: [expert] A little network help?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Praedor Tempus wrote: I have a setup question in getting a home network going. I have a desktop system which connects to the net by dialup (at the moment). I have a PCI-to-PCMCIA adaptor for a pcmcia wlan card and a USB wlan - whichever I can get working first stays. I also have a laptop with a wlan card. What I want to do is have the desktop act as an access point for my laptop and then have the laptop/desktop share the modem connection to the net. My question regards gateway and gateway device. I think I understand this but can someone help me? On the desktop, the connection is, as stated, via /dev/modem. Do I leave the gateway address alone and set gateway device to /dev/modem? Do I leave both alone? Praedor, If you're setting up a home Lan for the first time _the_ best way to get it going and setup connection sharing is to use the wizards in Mandrake Control Center. that way you'll get an idea of how thing should go without having to fight with the machine trying to figure things out on your own. when the system is setup and working then check your config files and see where and how everything is done. again, all the files that are involved are in /etc/sysconfig/. On the laptop I assume I just set gateway to the IP of the wlan card on the desktop (the access point) which is 10.0.0.1. Do I leave gateway device unset/alone or do I set it to wlan0 (or eth0 as the case may be)? since your inet interface is goin to be a modem you won't have to do anything with that other then tell the wizard that it is the interface connecting to the internet. the lan that you're going to configure is eth0 and should have an address similar to something like this: 192.168.0.1 -- this is the number for the gateway/firewall (LAN) your inet interface is of course assigned by your ISP via dhcp so there isn't anything you need to set for that. just tell the wizard that you get you inet address via dhcp and you want to connect when machine boots up. the wizard will want to setup the dns server named. this is a good thing and you should allow this to take place. the dns server's address *must* be 192.168.0.2 you will also need to install all the packages needed to run dhcp on your gateway machine so that all the other machines on your LAN can connect to and share the gateway's inet connection. the wizard will likely take care of this and prompt you to install these packages. for Linux to Linux there's no need for a client with which to connect to the gateway. when you setup the ethernet on the client machine you simply tell the machine that it's gateway IP address is 192.168.0.1. you then list the dns servers where it can get dns. your ISP's primary and secondary dns ip addresses should be first and then your local dns server should be last. thats a basic run down on how this all happens. if you're still a little unclear as to how this all comes together just keep the questions coming, however give the setup wizard a try first and see how far you can get. Finally, a question on another matter. Is there anyone in the list with a DSL account (dynamic, not static IP) that also makes use of dynamic dns services (dydns)? If so, how do you set THAT up? I assume you have a DSL actually praedor, I have cable, and even though I have a static address I still use my dyndns.org account so that my machine has inet dns and I don't have to worry with all the hastles of dns. it's very easy to setup and once you get the network running we can talk about that. no sense in chewing all this stuff up all at once cause setting up the network can be nerve racking at times. let me know how you make out. router/modem that probably runs a NAT network for your system(s). If this is the case, how do you get dydns updated with your IP address? If your DSL router assigns your system address 10.0.0.5, then obviously updating dydns with that IP will fail and I doubt there is a client app that can be loaded on a DSL router that will keep dydns updated...or is there? praedor -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On 3 Jul 2002, Darren King wrote: I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. This is one of those questions that if you asked five people, you'd get five (or more) answers. I know that some versions of the kernel could have major problems if swap was not at least twice the size of physical RAM. Disk space is also pretty cheap now, with a 60G IDE costing about $100. If this is a server I'd say yes, adjust swap to twice physical RAM. The benefits would outweigh the relatively minimal resource usage. If it's a desktop and after monitoring the system for a while you notice little swap usage, I'd say you could probably get away with 512M swap. I would not recommend having less swap than physical memory. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to request packages?
If you have to build from source (or just want to) use checkinstall and get all the advantages of an rpm's install/uninstall/file tracking! aka: tar xvzf something.tar.gz make make test su root checkinstall make install It works for almost all programs, bind from sources is one of the few that it didn't work with. Note: I have no idea how distributable the resulting rpm is, but it works good for installing software on to production servers when they don't have a compiler installed. I'm not sure others on the net would want to use them thou... (Best to stick w/ good mdk rpm's if you can.) - Jason B. On Friday 28 June 2002 10:27 am, Praedor Tempus wrote: Or...how about adding a ports system to Mandrake that can reside alongside RPM? I believe that ports, ported from the *BSD world, is what several newer linux kids on the block use, like Gentoo. The main reason I like RPMs at all vs simple tarballs is the database that knows it was installed and can easily upgrade or remove said package. Tarballs are easy to lose track of and, of course, there is no system database holding information on what tarballs have been installed where (of course, RPM doesn't do a job at all on where either - a weakness). Or...can the Mandrake RPM system be modified to allow for installation of tarballs and have an install added/tracked by some hack of RPM? In any case, if you need/want this app, you do not NEED an RPM, just get the tarball and install it. You will be able to use it just fine. Most scientific/specialty software I need can only be had in tarball form anyway and they work for me just fine. Have you tried building the source and failed? USUALLY it is as simple as 1) ./configure with/without some switch, 2) make, and 3) make install. I have only rarely come across some wierdo code that doesn't have a config script or simple means of building the source. If you have tried and failed to build the source already, what did you do and what were the error messages? praedor On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:01 pm, Alastair Scott wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 8:26 pm, Jan Lentfer wrote: Hi all, i would like to ask Mandrake to add a package to their distribution. Can anyone tell me how to do this? In particular I want them to add kaptain (http://kaptain.sourceforge.net/) as a package. That's a programm that provides graphical interfaces to command line programs using grammar files. It is widley used to controll the EMBOSS [...] Producing RPMs is difficult - the problem is getting a generic install which will work on all machines. (A lot of non-Mandrake packages fail here). [...] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: linux subsystems testing WAS: Re: [expert] is 'nopentium' same as'mem=nopentium'?
I had a friend who was having problems such as this, i.e. somewhat random lockups of the system. What he found out was that he had an older Western Digital drive on the IDE bus that he originally was using for swap and later wasn't even using the drive. As long as the drive was on the IDE bus he had problems and when he removed the drive the system became significantly more stable. What I am saying is that you may indeed have some type of drive issue here. I personally won't buy Western Digital drives for a LINUX box. -Clayton bascule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reading the home page it seems that it is primarily a cpu loader, while i will try this the cpu/mobo combo in my box are a known entity as they were the basis of my main box before i upgraded just recently, i used extraneous hardware to make up a new box and i'm wondering if there isn't something amiss with say, the disks or something bascule On Tuesday 02 July 2002 2:16 am, you wrote: Cpuburn loads the whole system to the max http://users.ev1.net/~redelm/ -- Oh no, not again. - A bowl of petunias on it's way to certain death. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Clayton Knight Voice: (480) 345-3617 Schlumberger ATE FAX:(480) 345-8793 7855 S. River Parkway, Suite 116 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __o _`\,_ ___(*)/_(*)__ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: linux subsystems testing WAS: Re: [expert] is 'nopentium' same as'mem=nopentium'?
i have a brand new seagate drive and an older quantum scsi and now that i've posted a few times on this the box hasn't hung for 36 hours, though saying that is probably the kiss of death - determinism, what's that? - cheers bascule On Tuesday 02 July 2002 7:31 pm, you wrote: I had a friend who was having problems such as this, i.e. somewhat random lockups of the system. What he found out was that he had an older Western Digital drive on the IDE bus that he originally was using for swap and later wasn't even using the drive. As long as the drive was on the IDE bus he had problems and when he removed the drive the system became significantly more stable. What I am saying is that you may indeed have some type of drive issue here. I personally won't buy Western Digital drives for a LINUX box. -Clayton -- Noble dragons don't have friends. The nearest they can get to the idea is an enemy who is still alive. (Guards! Guards!) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:01:41 -0400 Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, Consider this move carefully. FreeBSD is more than just reliable. Like Linux it is a Unix clone, but instead of being designed to mimic minux it grew from ATT Unix. (not better or worse just different roots) I recently decommissioned a FreeBSD Firewall / file server in an office we closed that had 622 days uptime. The last time it had been rebooted was due to an extended power outage (2 days) due to an exploding power transformer (Lightning strike) in the neighborhood. In fact the last time the box had been accesed was 6 months ago to open a port on the Firewall for VNC routing. I love my Linux desktop. Over the years it's served me well and it has all the bells and Whistles I could desire. But if you've got FreeBSD working and running well why change. A friend of mine runs a server serving websites for about 30 organizations and e-mail to over 200 users . one box, for years it was running 2.2.1 BSD and he finally upgraded it when the hardware decided to crap out. (Mobo developed a crack in one of the power couplings and died. Unless you held it down just right) Any of the software running on the BSD box should be convertible to Linux just by compiling on a Linux box. (sometimes you can just move the binaries and it works) So at least 95% of the software should be an easy transfer. Otherwise I would recommend only switching to Linux if: 1. Your really need something and there is no way FreeBSD can offer it. 2. You are adding a new server and really want to run Linux. 3. Hardware is dieing and you are building a replacement box and you really want to run Linux. For the boxes that run and run well. Leaving well enough alone is my advice, since you aren't loosing security, reliability or choice. James PS hope no one takes offense but to me Open Source and Reliability are more important than brand on servers. Just don't expect me to run anything but Mandrake on my workstation except under gunpoint. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NVidia GeForce MX200 w/K7S5A Mdk8.2
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:42:35 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, civileme wrote: Well, it sounds like you are using the latest commercial NVidia drivers. Yes -- acceleration works perfectly and gears is a blur. :) Framebuffer is not well supported by NVidia or their drivers. All I see on booting framebuffer with an NForce chipset is the blue bar along the bottom, though framebuffer worked outstandingly for the install. With XFree drivers I get good framebuffer results except when switching out to console where the vga= has been lost. This isn't apparently a fixable problem without some better tech info from NVidia. I was afraid of that. The annoying thing is that I can't seem to even disable fb completely. If I specify vga=none in lilo.conf, the machine will still boot with a fb logo in the top left. The first time I'd thought that maybe I'd forgotten to rerun lilo, but this was not the case. I then tried rebuilding a kernel with fb completely disabled. No logo, but X refuses to start with No screens found errors. The reason this is so annoying is that I spend 90% of my time on the console and because this works on all the other machines, I often find myself pressing CTL-ALT-Fx to get a quick shell. I even considered building only a serial console so that there were no consoles... My box boots without framebuffer (different video card) and the setting I use in lilo.conf is vga=normal rather than vga=none. could help? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, daRcmaTTeR wrote: don't ya think thats a bit ridiculous though when you stop to think about just how stinkin big that swap space is gonna be? unless this machine is going to be doing heavy graphics or audio processing it's never even oging to use the swap space. it'll just sit there. No, I wouldn't say it's all that ridiculous. Of course these things are relative: what you do with your machines may not require you to ever drop into swap. Kernels around 2.4.10 and earlier had serious problems with memory, and requiring a few extra meg of memory would not necessarily mean a few meg of swap got used. The system would end up swapping entire processes and possibly lead to thrashing if the swap space was not large enough. In fact, the earlier kernels would not add swap space to memory, so 256M of RAM + 512M of swap would only yield 512M of working memory. This changed on/around 2.4.10 (don't remember exactly) with the new VM. If you also consider the ratio of swap/total disk space, you'll see that 512M or even a Gig of swap is actually smaller than on older machines. Again, it's all relative and depends on your usage patterns. So how do you decide? One thing you might try is profiling your memory usage as I suggested originally. Some folks recommend 1.5x this size for the swap space. But you should also consider what would happen if you run out of swap space. Hint: it's not pretty. Now I wouldn't consider the demands on my machine as particularly heavy but I do use 60-100M of swap when under what I consider light usage. E.g., I'll run Gimp, mozilla, several kterms with vi and ssh sessions, xmms, and sometimes VMWare to see what my pages look like in Internet Exploder. If I'm really busy I'll add POVRay, blender, and several instances of gv as I create my TeX documentation. At this load I'll have sometimes 300-400M swapped. In any case, it's somewhat ridiculous to say that you won't ever use that swap space without knowing what the machine is used for. besides...i'm not aware of any kernel versions that would care one way or the other if the swap space adds up to at least twice the physical ram size. i know plenty of home users that might choke on that, but not the kernel. These problems are well documented in the Linux kernel archives. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority On 3 Jul 2002, Darren King wrote: I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. Darren Darren, with 1/2 GB of RAM, unless you're doing real heavy graphics or audio processing, then you shouldn't need to do anything with your swap space. with that much ram it's very doubtful you even touch your swap partition at all. I have 384 megs ram and the only time swap gets touched is when the box does swapon at boot. James -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:45:29 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3 Jul 2002, Darren King wrote: I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. This is one of those questions that if you asked five people, you'd get five (or more) answers. I know that some versions of the kernel could have major problems if swap was not at least twice the size of physical RAM. Disk space is also pretty cheap now, with a 60G IDE costing about $100. If this is a server I'd say yes, adjust swap to twice physical RAM. The benefits would outweigh the relatively minimal resource usage. If it's a desktop and after monitoring the system for a while you notice little swap usage, I'd say you could probably get away with 512M swap. I would not recommend having less swap than physical memory. don't ya think thats a bit ridiculous though when you stop to think about just how stinkin big that swap space is gonna be? unless this machine is going to be doing heavy graphics or audio processing it's never even oging to use the swap space. it'll just sit there. besides...i'm not aware of any kernel versions that would care one way or the other if the swap space adds up to at least twice the physical ram size. i know plenty of home users that might choke on that, but not the kernel. -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Dark I agree In fact the rule of 2-1 for swap to ram came about in the days when 4 megs of ram was considered Huge. An embedded server unit (1/2 U) I recently tested out for a friend of mine. (his design) uses a 64 meg Compact flash as the disk drive and 256 megs ram. It runs completely without swap and is capable of soaking the 4 nics on board with data all day long. Yes it's a weird concept in non hackable web servers. The bugs in it are not related to swap ( just trust me on that) in fact the OS doesn't even care that swap is missing. (Linux and FreeBSD have been run on it.) In fact a check of my firewall/webserver/fileserver running 64 megs of ram (home use) shows that swap access has been 0 since last reboot. (3 weeks ago new kernel) . The only reason I know of for having the 2 to 1 rule anymore on swap Gentoo Linux. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3 Jul 2002, Darren King wrote: I am upgrading my machine from 128MB RAM to 512 MB. Do I need to adjust the swap? I have 256MB. This is one of those questions that if you asked five people, you'd get five (or more) answers. I know that some versions of the kernel could have major problems if swap was not at least twice the size of physical RAM. Disk space is also pretty cheap now, with a 60G IDE costing about $100. If this is a server I'd say yes, adjust swap to twice physical RAM. The benefits would outweigh the relatively minimal resource usage. If it's a desktop and after monitoring the system for a while you notice little swap usage, I'd say you could probably get away with 512M swap. I would not recommend having less swap than physical memory. don't ya think thats a bit ridiculous though when you stop to think about just how stinkin big that swap space is gonna be? unless this machine is going to be doing heavy graphics or audio processing it's never even oging to use the swap space. it'll just sit there. besides...i'm not aware of any kernel versions that would care one way or the other if the swap space adds up to at least twice the physical ram size. i know plenty of home users that might choke on that, but not the kernel. -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
I'm using Mandrake in an ISP as one of the main servers and as one of the backup servers. One is running 8.1, the other is just being configured now, and is loaded with 8.2. One of the reasons I like Mandrake, is that Apache comes pre-configured for servers with all the modules I need (Perl, PHP4, etc.). So far the 8.1 production machine has been great. I've had problems with it at all. -Bill Randle OutlawNet, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott wrote: Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:02 am, you wrote: On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:01:41 -0400 Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, Consider this move carefully. FreeBSD is more than just reliable. Like Linux it is a Unix clone, but instead of being designed to mimic minux it grew from ATT Unix. (not better or worse just different roots) I recently decommissioned a FreeBSD Firewall / file server in an office we closed that had 622 days uptime. The last time it had been rebooted was due to an extended power outage (2 days) due to an exploding power transformer (Lightning strike) in the neighborhood. In fact the last time the box had been accesed was 6 months ago to open a port on the Firewall for VNC routing. I love my Linux desktop. Over the years it's served me well and it has all the bells and Whistles I could desire. But if you've got FreeBSD working and running well why change. A friend of mine runs a server serving websites for about 30 organizations and e-mail to over 200 users . one box, for years it was running 2.2.1 BSD and he finally upgraded it when the hardware decided to crap out. (Mobo developed a crack in one of the power couplings and died. Unless you held it down just right) Any of the software running on the BSD box should be convertible to Linux just by compiling on a Linux box. (sometimes you can just move the binaries and it works) So at least 95% of the software should be an easy transfer. Otherwise I would recommend only switching to Linux if: 1. Your really need something and there is no way FreeBSD can offer it. 2. You are adding a new server and really want to run Linux. 3. Hardware is dieing and you are building a replacement box and you really want to run Linux. For the boxes that run and run well. Leaving well enough alone is my advice, since you aren't loosing security, reliability or choice. James PS hope no one takes offense but to me Open Source and Reliability are more important than brand on servers. Just don't expect me to run anything but Mandrake on my workstation except under gunpoint. I think I would add that as long as the bsd security was kept up to date.. same with an older version of MDK. the security updates are as important as hardware, in my opinion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 05:29 pm, you wrote: On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:02 am, you wrote: On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:01:41 -0400 Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, Consider this move carefully. FreeBSD is more than just reliable. Like Linux it is a Unix clone, but instead of being designed to mimic minux it grew from ATT Unix. (not better or worse just different roots) I recently decommissioned a FreeBSD Firewall / file server in an office we closed that had 622 days uptime. The last time it had been rebooted was due to an extended power outage (2 days) due to an exploding power transformer (Lightning strike) in the neighborhood. In fact the last time the box had been accesed was 6 months ago to open a port on the Firewall for VNC routing. I love my Linux desktop. Over the years it's served me well and it has all the bells and Whistles I could desire. But if you've got FreeBSD working and running well why change. A friend of mine runs a server serving websites for about 30 organizations and e-mail to over 200 users . one box, for years it was running 2.2.1 BSD and he finally upgraded it when the hardware decided to crap out. (Mobo developed a crack in one of the power couplings and died. Unless you held it down just right) Any of the software running on the BSD box should be convertible to Linux just by compiling on a Linux box. (sometimes you can just move the binaries and it works) So at least 95% of the software should be an easy transfer. Otherwise I would recommend only switching to Linux if: 1. Your really need something and there is no way FreeBSD can offer it. 2. You are adding a new server and really want to run Linux. 3. Hardware is dieing and you are building a replacement box and you really want to run Linux. For the boxes that run and run well. Leaving well enough alone is my advice, since you aren't loosing security, reliability or choice. James PS hope no one takes offense but to me Open Source and Reliability are more important than brand on servers. Just don't expect me to run anything but Mandrake on my workstation except under gunpoint. I think I would add that as long as the bsd security was kept up to date.. same with an older version of MDK. the security updates are as important as hardware, in my opinion not to mention the netcraft survey showing Apache Advanced Extranet Server ie.; the one shipped with MDK, (I believe boxed exclusively but downloadable open source) has like the most new servers on the net for some time now correct me if I am wrong... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] talk, ytalk don't work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This has to be something simple: 1. I installed the talk client, ytalk, and the talk server on my LM 8.1 system, using the RPMs on CD #1. 2. I set talkd to start at boot time (under xinetd) 3. The xinetd.d/talk entry looks like this: disable = no socket_type = dgram wait = yes user = nobody group = tty server = /usr/sbin/in.talkd 4. /etc/services has 517/udp listed OK. Whenever I try to use talk or ytalk, I am told that there is no server available. Any ideas, anyone? Doc Evans -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: Key obtainable from servers: ID 0x362912B8 iQA/AwUBPSIikGnXrLw2KRK4EQLahgCgn0cXgv1Q7YzC21mxaduhNYQ228YAnjIL L0d67KdjfzRM/2eLOGWoGS4g =SBiF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Memory Leak?
All, In my continuing effort to solve other problems on my box I found something interesting. for the first time the box had started to slow down. Dramatically. So I checked the term window running top and sure enough a program that I had running in a tty window was now using 98% of my CPU.. The program .. VI yep it had been up for about 2 hours and was slowly consuming all my cpu power. Has anyone else noticed this or better yet can anyone else duplicate it. I'd like to know if this is a bug or a one off. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Memory Leak?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, James wrote: All, In my continuing effort to solve other problems on my box I found something interesting. for the first time the box had started to slow down. Dramatically. So I checked the term window running top and sure enough a program that I had running in a tty window was now using 98% of my CPU.. The program .. VI yep it had been up for about 2 hours and was slowly consuming all my cpu power. Has anyone else noticed this or better yet can anyone else duplicate it. I'd like to know if this is a bug or a one off. I've had this happen before. It turned out to be a corrupt .vimrc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Scott wrote: Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, let me answer your question with another question. If you drove a chevy pickup truck for a while and then purchased a ford pickup truck of the same basic design and size would truck two be able to do the same work as truck one? If you plowed field one with a Massey-Furgeson tractor, and then a week later had to use a Catapiller to do field two would you still be able to get field two plowed? the answer is of course yes, and I don't mean to over simplify the question, nor do I wish to sound condecending. I merely wish to point out to you that *nix is *nix. FreeBSD, RedHat Linux, SuSE Linux, Mandrake Linux are all basically the same under the covers of the Xfree86 interface. It's all *nix and it's all good! they all use the same basic foundation for the filesystem; they all make use of the make Unix syhstem tools. on and on and on. If redhat can do it SuSE can do it, and if SuSE can do it Mandrake can do it. ya get my drift. the only real difference between the distros is the X interface, the collection of X packages included that make the distro unique from the others. apart from that they're all Linux and they're all good. as for could Mandrake work in an ISP environment?...do you really want to be to take the time to list all the ISP's that I know that use one of the above mentioned flavors of Linux to serve their customers? I hope not cause I'm writing this message at work and I've got a few more things I need to get done before I leave for the day. as an aside, I've got two servers running here at work running Mandrake. One does webserver/mailserver/database server duties as well as ftp service. the other is a back up server for the snap server we've got running on the network. AT my home I've got Mandrake runing on a very busy network taking care of file server/mail server/ftp server/ webserver/MySQL server/and firewall gateway all being done on an AMD K6-233 hooked up to a cable modem. It does beautifully. Were it not for the occasional T-storms taking out the power, or the wife blowing a breaker now and then vacuuming this machine would never experience any downtime. so...yeah. I'd say its a pretty safe bet to use Mandrake in an ISP environent. -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Memory Leak?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:38:58 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, James wrote: All, In my continuing effort to solve other problems on my box I found something interesting. for the first time the box had started to slow down. Dramatically. So I checked the term window running top and sure enough a program that I had running in a tty window was now using 98% of my CPU.. The program .. VI yep it had been up for about 2 hours and was slowly consuming all my cpu power. Has anyone else noticed this or better yet can anyone else duplicate it. I'd like to know if this is a bug or a one off. I've had this happen before. It turned out to be a corrupt .vimrc. See further proof that no man is an Island especially if he/she uses Linux. Thanks James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GDM doesn't remember default/last desktop
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 09:07, K Montgomery wrote: There was a thread on this very problem a while back. Go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and search for the subject cannot set gnome as default session. In one of my posts, I described what I thought to be the problem, but I don't remember whether my suspicions were confirmed or denied. I do believe it's a software flaw. I have 8.2, and I don't remember if the problem still exists (I've been using KDE for a while). But I'll tell you what I did to hack a solution: since fndSession calls chksession, I changed two lines in chksession that deleted and recreated the Default link. I changed Default to default and gdm took it. (Just read my posts for clarity on that. Try at your own risk. :D) - Kathy I went to the archives and followed what you did, Kathy. GDM defaults to Gnome now :-) Thanks! -- Dave Sherman Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[expert] Diskdrake has a mind of it's own?
OK, what sort of voodoo must I do to get DiskDrake to make two new ReiserFS partitions? I have tried three times now, each time I set the partition sizes and select ReiserFS as the type, DiskDrake tells me to reset the computer-- being an ex-Windows user, I don't blink twice at this...! The first time around I didn't check anything. The second time around I removed the updates to /etc/fstab figuring they won't be mount-able until I format them the way I want them to be. The third time around I sawa that /etc/fstab was updated just the way I expected it to be with two new ReiserFS partitions. All three times when I reboot and go back to DiskDrake to format these partitions, one has its type changed to ext3 and the other is set to ext2! I don't even bother formatting these because that is not what I want. A cat syslog|grep 'hda' shows what happened the last time I rebooted (hda6 and hda7 are the new partitions...): Jul 2 22:07:25 rocjoe1 kernel: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000-0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA Jul 2 22:07:25 rocjoe1 kernel: hda: MAXTOR 6L040J2, ATA DISK drive Jul 2 22:07:25 rocjoe1 kernel: hda: 78177792 sectors (40027 MB) w/1819KiB Cache, CHS=4866/255/63, UDMA(100) Jul 2 22:07:26 rocjoe1 mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda7, Jul 2 22:07:26 rocjoe1 mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6, Jul 2 22:07:13 rocjoe1 mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda7, Jul 2 22:07:13 rocjoe1 mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6, Jul 2 22:09:20 rocjoe1 diskdrake[1964]: found a dos partition table on /dev/hda at sector 0 Jul 2 22:09:20 rocjoe1 diskdrake[1964]: err, fstab and partition table do not agree for hda6 type: ext3 vs reiserfs Jul 2 22:09:20 rocjoe1 diskdrake[1964]: err, fstab and partition table do not agree for hda7 type: ext2 vs reiserfs Jul 2 22:09:20 rocjoe1 diskdrake[1964]: found mounted partition on hda1 with / ...I already have three other ReiserFS partitions over two hard drives that are co-operating nicely. Any ideas? Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NVidia GeForce MX200 w/K7S5A Mdk8.2
James wrote: On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:42:35 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, civileme wrote: Well, it sounds like you are using the latest commercial NVidia drivers. Yes -- acceleration works perfectly and gears is a blur. :) Framebuffer is not well supported by NVidia or their drivers. All I see on booting framebuffer with an NForce chipset is the blue bar along the bottom, though framebuffer worked outstandingly for the install. With XFree drivers I get good framebuffer results except when switching out to console where the vga= has been lost. This isn't apparently a fixable problem without some better tech info from NVidia. I was afraid of that. The annoying thing is that I can't seem to even disable fb completely. If I specify vga=none in lilo.conf, the machine will still boot with a fb logo in the top left. The first time I'd thought that maybe I'd forgotten to rerun lilo, but this was not the case. I then tried rebuilding a kernel with fb completely disabled. No logo, but X refuses to start with No screens found errors. The reason this is so annoying is that I spend 90% of my time on the console and because this works on all the other machines, I often find myself pressing CTL-ALT-Fx to get a quick shell. I even considered building only a serial console so that there were no consoles... My box boots without framebuffer (different video card) and the setting I use in lilo.conf is vga=normal rather than vga=none. could help? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com You should(tm) have a linux-nonfb choice in the boot menu. It runs without framebuffer and has an _informative_ startup scroll. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GDM doesn't remember default/last desktop
Dave Sherman wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 09:07, K Montgomery wrote: (Just read my posts for clarity on that. Try at your own risk. :D) - Kathy I went to the archives and followed what you did, Kathy. GDM defaults to Gnome now :-) Thanks! -- Dave Sherman Kathy you are the woman! And another satisfied customer returns to his keyboard. drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A little network help?
Praedor Tempus wrote: I have a setup question in getting a home network going. I have a desktop system which connects to the net by dialup (at the moment). I have a PCI-to-PCMCIA adaptor for a pcmcia wlan card and a USB wlan - whichever I can get working first stays. I also have a laptop with a wlan card. What I want to do is have the desktop act as an access point for my laptop and then have the laptop/desktop share the modem connection to the net. My question regards gateway and gateway device. I think I understand this but can someone help me? On the desktop, the connection is, as stated, via /dev/modem. Do I leave the gateway address alone and set gateway device to /dev/modem? Do I leave both alone? On the laptop I assume I just set gateway to the IP of the wlan card on the desktop (the access point) which is 10.0.0.1. Do I leave gateway device unset/alone or do I set it to wlan0 (or eth0 as the case may be)? Finally, a question on another matter. Is there anyone in the list with a DSL account (dynamic, not static IP) that also makes use of dynamic dns services (dydns)? If so, how do you set THAT up? I assume you have a DSL router/modem that probably runs a NAT network for your system(s). If this is the case, how do you get dydns updated with your IP address? If your DSL router assigns your system address 10.0.0.5, then obviously updating dydns with that IP will fail and I doubt there is a client app that can be loaded on a DSL router that will keep dydns updated...or is there? praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Whoa, take a coffeeless break. gateway device will be like ppp0 for the desktop and eth0/wlan0 for the laptop. Now with DSL I use the sharing (masquerading) computer as the router and the DSL modem without any routing. For dynamic, I take a domain I own and point to some nameservers that will let me update them on a 5-minute basis. Crackerjack does this (used to be for free, but now $4 per year per domain) at http://www.whyi.org. He also supplies a dandy Perl script that does the updating of your current IP address for your domain. But you don't need DSL for this--it also works on modems, both of the cable and telephone kind. These days, I subscribe to a cable service which adds a static IP plus double speed on uploads and downl;oads for $10/month extra. I was using DSL but I was paying $50/month more for the same level of service, and a lower transfer limit, and I had more vendors in the mix, like the local telephone company which managed to hardwire me to the wrong VLAN and took more than a week to fix it (I don't know how much more because I was on cable before they fixed it). I am sure the ISP that was offering DSL wasn't too happy because they lost more than 50 customers in that period. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Memory Leak?
James wrote: All, In my continuing effort to solve other problems on my box I found something interesting. for the first time the box had started to slow down. Dramatically. So I checked the term window running top and sure enough a program that I had running in a tty window was now using 98% of my CPU.. The program .. VI yep it had been up for about 2 hours and was slowly consuming all my cpu power. Has anyone else noticed this or better yet can anyone else duplicate it. I'd like to know if this is a bug or a one off. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hmmm, my VI has been up for about 2 months on one box--no problem. I tend to use emacs a lot more, but vi and visudo are still very important to me. I have not had a problem with vi grabbing CPU ever. It is a nice lightweight editor with a neat way of keeping hands on keyboard. jabberd has given problems (eating available RAM) on every single box where I tried it and I tried it on all just to verify that it is most probably a memory leak. I will be campaigning for its removal next distro unless it gets fixed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Watching DVDs with Xine?
Ok. This thread switched over to Ogle. Any help on the Xine front? - Theo Theo Brinkman wrote: Cool. I needed the d5d rpm, but its working now! Thanks. :) One small problem. I get jumpy sound (also sometimes with avi clips). Any tips? The terminal shows a bunch of lines like this scrolling past as the movie plays. audio_out: inserting 10848 0-frames to fill a gap of 2035 pts audio_out: inserting 11652 0-frames to fill a gap of 20804 pts audio_out: inserting 4209 0-frames to fill a gap of 7894 pts ... - Theo Larry Sword wrote: http://plf.zarb.org/rpm/cooker/i586/ Get the xine-d4d rpm's from here... Theo Brinkman wrote: I just installed the xine rpms from cooker, and I'm having a bit of trouble actually watching anything with them. I've tried a few AVI files or MPEG, and I've had few problems. (I can't watch the avi clips produced by my digital camera, for example.) However, when I put in a DVD, I get an error message. - xine engine error - There is no input plugin available to handle 'dvd://VIDEO_TS.VOB'. Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file/stream doesn not exist. The 'messages' tab of the 'more...' dialog suggests that the DVD may be encrypted. Can anybody help me resolve this problem? I'd like to be able to watch the movies I have on DVD (all legally owned by me and/or my wife). Thanks, - Theo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
No, I wouldn't say it's all that ridiculous. Of course these things are relative: what you do with your machines may not require you to ever It's not ridiculous either, unless you're thinking of emailing it somewhere :). drop into swap. Kernels around 2.4.10 and earlier had serious problems with memory, and requiring a few extra meg of memory would not I'm not sure I agree, but that's a minor point. Surely some of these kernels had wonky use of swap, but AFAIK all linux kernels viewed swap as additive, rather than as 'backup store' on BSD systems. BSD is why most older people quote the 1.5 X as much as RAM, or even 2X swap for what you have in RAM rule. Of course, recent kernels have been getting more well behaved; I seem to remember that this was just an anomaly of some 2.4.x kernels, though. disk space, you'll see that 512M or even a Gig of swap is actually smaller than on older machines. Again, it's all relative and depends on your usage patterns. Case in point: my 386sx slackware/sls system many years ago. IIRC, I had 16 megs of swap on a 345 meg drive. This comes out to 4.6% of the drive used as swap. A gigabyte on a 30 gig drive only comes out to 3.33% of the drive committed to swap. the swap space. But you should also consider what would happen if you run out of swap space. Hint: it's not pretty. My favorite swap related anecdote (true story - this actualy happened:) A friend of mine (who is a fairly light Linux user, had migrated from a Sinclair with 128k or so of RAM to a 386 with 4 megs. He thought 4 megs was more room than he'd ever need. He didn't set up a swap partition at all - and then look what happened when he tried to run 2 copies of emacs at the same time. The kernel took *46 minutes* just to respond to the ctrl-x ctrl-c commands to quit one of those instances.) And of course, this was all in-memory thrashing since there wasn't any swapping to disk. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Memory Leak?
The program .. VI yep it had been up for about 2 hours and was slowly consuming all my cpu power. Has anyone else noticed this or vi? I find that odd. Was it related to the size of the file you were editing? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAM increase...swap too?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, dfox wrote: No, I wouldn't say it's all that ridiculous. Of course these things are relative: what you do with your machines may not require you to ever It's not ridiculous either, unless you're thinking of emailing it somewhere :). :D drop into swap. Kernels around 2.4.10 and earlier had serious problems with memory, and requiring a few extra meg of memory would not I'm not sure I agree, but that's a minor point. Surely some of these kernels had wonky use of swap, but AFAIK all linux kernels viewed swap as additive, rather than as 'backup store' on BSD systems. BSD is why most older people quote the 1.5 X as much as RAM, or even 2X swap for what you have in RAM rule. Of course, recent kernels have been getting more well behaved; I seem to remember that this was just an anomaly of some 2.4.x kernels, though. I did some looking in the kernel archives and found the following: Kernel versions from 2.3.something to 2.4.10pre9aa1 required *at minimum* the same amount of swap space as physical memory. This version was when the Arcangeli patches appeared and (from his release note) provide swap+ram of available virtual memory. Link: http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt20011001_135.html#2 It does seem to have improved recently, though there are no firm benchmarks on either side yet. Hmm...this could be an interesting little project to stress out the vm. We'd need a little program that would grab memory and not let it go, maybe mark each page dirty so that it stays in the working set... I found some example code in one of Moshe Bar's columns (Linux Kernel Pillow Talk). My favorite swap related anecdote (true story - this actualy happened:) A friend of mine (who is a fairly light Linux user, had migrated from a Sinclair with 128k or so of RAM to a 386 with 4 megs. He thought 4 megs was more room than he'd ever need. He didn't set up a swap partition at all - and then look what happened when he tried to run 2 copies of emacs at the same time. The kernel took *46 minutes* just to respond to the ctrl-x ctrl-c commands to quit one of those instances.) And of course, this was all in-memory thrashing since there wasn't any swapping to disk. Pretty, isn't it? BTW, have you played with the overcommit settings in /proc with a swapless system? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Memory Leak?
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:52:35 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dfox) said with temporary authority The program .. VI yep it had been up for about 2 hours and was slowly consuming all my cpu power. Has anyone else noticed this or vi? I find that odd. Was it related to the size of the file you were editing? James Taking an earlier suggestion i wackes ,vimrc and have been unable to recreate the problem since Don't know what the corruption was but I can't create it now. ... scared the heck outa me... I'd be lost without VI oh and the file that was open lilo.conf. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
