from:"Charlie M."

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October 18, 2003 02:07 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
whack
 The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are
 called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot
 splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the
 release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did
 this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words
 when cooker was still frozen.

OK; I've generated a new set of ISOs from my local cooker tree yesterday and 
upgraded from them. Everything was generally all right with a couple of 
minor exceptions. 
xchat wouldn't install, error opening package messages at the console when the 
graphic progress bar seemed to be hanging, and 
KDE doesn't load a desktop at all. Blue screen, not desktop or icons or 
taskbar, but the KDE is starting sound plays.

 That IIRC is apparently because the KDE maintainer built the .80 version with 
the wrong compiler or some such. So for now, until I have a chance to do a 
bit of fixing and patching, I'm stuck with Ice-worm or GNOME or other. I 
can't install cooker for anyone that uses a KDE desktop from these disks.

I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later today, 
adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks, then report 
the results here.

Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use CD-R 
disks. g

Charlie
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10:35:31 up 17:27, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.11, 0.09
Knock, knock!
Who's there?
Sam and Janet.
Sam and Janet who?
Sam and Janet Evening...
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

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October 26, 2003 11:43 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
[..]
  I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later
  today, adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks,
  then report the results here.
 
  Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use
  CD-R disks. g

 Could you either report back here or e-mail me with the details of what you
 are doing.  I am trying to build a page on the cooker twiki that describes
 how to make a new set of install disks with the updates slipstreamed.

Sure, as soon as I finish editing the relevant files and am able to generate a 
set of ISOs I'll burn and test.

I document _everything_ I do Greg. My short term memory sucks, so I'm one of 
those people that carries a notebook everwhere and is always jotting notes to 
myself. So as soon as I make some progress, and have readable notes, I'll 
send a copy direct to you, OK?

BTW the cooker ISOs I generated and tested for installation yesterday worked 
fine other than the xchat glitch, the KDE .80 packages built with the 
incorrect qt version, and the fact that the cooker tree hasn't really updated 
since Thursday. 

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] KWeather

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October 26, 2003 11:23 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Does anyone use this applet?  Under 9.0 it recognised my local
 station, but under 9.1 it only seems to deal with North America.  Can
 anyone tell me what the problem is?

 Anne

I use it all the time Anne, but there have been times when it doesn't seem to 
be able to connect to the servers. The last time I had this problem it was a 
problem with the servers, not the applet, but before that it was necessary to 
remove all the configuration files (~.kdeappskweatherkweatherrc) and start 
over. I could be wrong about where to find it since I can't get to my 
/home/nanook directory at the moment. But not the what part.

My box is maybe slightly over cooked right now. Almost no KDE apps, no access 
to much of anything actually.  g

Before I did that I'd be certain the server for your locale is actually up 
though. There's a link from the configure dialogue, and a link from there to 
check server status if I recall correctly.

HTH
Charlie
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11:31:06 up 31 min, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.26, 0.25
I brought my BOWLING BALL -- and some DRUGS!!
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Re: [expert] Apache2 Updates

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October 25, 2003 10:10 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
 Has anybody seen the Apache2 updates that Vince Danen announced yesterday
 with this:

 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA-2003:09
6-1

 None of the mirrors have been updated since the 22nd on this page

 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php

Yeah, I've noticed. I've also noticed that most of the time the cooker and 
updates rsync I run daily (or more often) for my local mirror has been 
doing the changing time stamps but not really downloading anything dance 
since Thursday. 

I've seen this sort of thing happen quite often when the distribution master 
server (MandrakeSoft) is going through a tree change; such as when a new 
set of ISOs is being generated. It stops responding to the primary mirrors, 
then the secondary mirrors get out of sync, and everything seems to get 
strange for a while.

Is it possible the RC ISOs for AMD64 are being generated while at the same 
time the 9.2 Download Edition ISOs are being readied for ftp release?

Just a random though or two.

Charlie
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10:25:10 up 17:17, 2 users, load average: 0.24, 0.13, 0.09
Martin was probably ripping them off.  That's some family, isn't it?
Incest, prostitution, fanaticism, software.
-- Charles Willeford, Miami Blues
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Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2

2003-10-25 Thread Charlie M.

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October 25, 2003 08:31 am, Glenn Burkhardt wrote:
 On Saturday 25 October 2003 01:27 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
  OK Since Greg did such a clear job of stating the problem and a work
  around above, I just used his words, to submit a bug report.  It's
  number #30 if anyone here would care/be so kind as to add to it.
 
  James

 Where was the bug report submitted?  Presumably not to the cooker
 bugzilla...

Vincent has set up an Anthill.

http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

HTH
Charlie
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A little inaccuracy saves a world of explanation.
-- C.E. Ayres
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-24 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 06:08 pm, Joeb wrote:
[..]
Hi Joe;
 
 In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2,
  9.2 is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate
  the ISOs is slightly different but the packages are basically the same.

 The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are
  called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot
  splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for
  the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since
  I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other
  words when cooker was still frozen.

I still have those ISOs and a set of CD-RW disks I burned from them. I also 
have a set I made yesterday with all of the updates, and the set I made from 
the 9.2 tree. Neither of the latter two will install the distribution here, 
they both hang at second stage install stage. The ISOs I used to update my 
son's machine to 9.2 (made from a torrent download through his Club account) 
worked fine. So did the original cooker set made on 24 September 2003.

 Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake
 Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc.
 
 But not for this box. It stays cooked.

This still applies. I won't be trying to make any more ISOs until cooker is no 
longer frozen. I will try an install just far enough to be certain everything 
works but since I'm already running it for all intents and purposes I won't 
be too concerned about a fresh install or upgrade.

 I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
 how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
 because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
 there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
 have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
 connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
 and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
 pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
 contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
 to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
 production).

As stated above, I did try to install with the disks I made just to check, and 
they hang at stage two.

 In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
 significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
 should be shipping in the next two weeks!

 Joeb

Installing from a boot disk made from hdimg.cz in the 9.2 tree and the cooker 
tree both work. But the disks I made don't. Go figure.

Regards;
Charlie
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The best security update for Windows that I've found is the installer for 
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Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...

2003-10-24 Thread Charlie M.

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October 24, 2003 03:05 am, Olaf Marzocchi wrote:
 At 17.32 19/10/2003, you wrote:
 There's nothing wrong with waiting a little bit but, since you would have
 to have the 9.2 tree downloaded to make the isos, have you considered
 doing an hd install from the tree?

 Probably I will download the full tree (could someone tell me in advance
 how much big it is? I have to warn the friend that will download it...) and
 then make the CDs on my PC (I have linux 9.1).
 I don't know whether to install from HD or from those CD I will make.
 Probably from HD, where I will keep the tree until the HD gets filled.

 Olaf

If you exclude all SRPMS and jpackage entries you can get away with about 6.0 
GB for main and contrib. If you want everything including those directories 
count on around 10.5 GB. Or at least that's what the Mandrake current tree 
(9.2) is here.

You may want to rsync the 9.2 updates directory as well. I did. It's only 
248.4 MB.

Good luck.
Charlie
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[expert] [OT]Virus; the Next Generation?

2003-10-24 Thread Charlie M.

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http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/flea.shtml

Even signature files aren't to be trusted in HTML e-mails now. Not that I've 
ever trusted HTML e-mails anyway. Quote from the advisory:

Flea activates when an infected email message is opened. At this point, the 
worm connects to a web site in Spain (a private page under terra.es), and 
silently downloads and executes a JavaScript code available in a web site. 
This JavaScript code will download an another script written in Visual Basic 
Script and execute it. This code will contain the actual worm code.

The Visual Basic script code changes Internet Explorer settings so, that any 
URL entered into address bar without a specific protocol prefix (usually 
http: part in the beginning of the URL) will be directed into worm code, 
causing that the system will be reinfected.

I know it has nothing to do with Mandrake Linux and very little to do with the 
focus of this list but... It's more work for those of us that volunteer as 
cleaners and more aggravation for everyone connected to any network. 

Especially you admins. sigh

Charlie
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You're dead, Jim.
-- McCoy, Amok Time, stardate 3372.7
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Re: [expert] msec and Directory permissions......

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October 23, 2003 09:36 am, Ralph Crpngeyer wrote:
 Jack, Your right.
 The user.group for the entire jail is root.root only the file
 permissions are different. Also looking at /usr/share/msec/perm.5 the
 directory /opt is not touched at all. I think that something else must
 have been happening. I wasn't the only one with root access to this
 system, till now. I just ran msec 5 and all is well.

 I think the answer to the question (How do I get msec to skip a dir?) is
 to make sure that it is not listed in the /usr/share/msec/perm.2/3/4/5
 file. In other words, msec only changes owner.group perms for the
 dir's listed in the perm.2/3/4/5 file.

 Does that sound right?

 Thanks for your help.

 Ralph

Ralph did you forget how to spell your own name, or have you taken to calling 
yourself Crpngyer for a reason? g

Just curious 'cause I couldn't figure out what was bothering me about your 
posts.

Regards;
Charlie
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Really??  What a coincidence, I'm shallow too!!
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Re: [expert] Upgrade Path from 8.2

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October 23, 2003 10:14 am, Ricardo (Tru64 User) wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have a solid/stable 8.2 box working as a webserver.
 Since 8.2 is no longer supported, I imagine i have no
 choice but to upgrade (not that savvy to make my own
 update rpm's!)
 I want to throw 9.1 in there. Do i have to go in
 steps, 8.2 --9.0 --9.1 or simply throw 9.1 cd's and
 install (live or from bootcd?).
 Is it workable or I should simply go thru a
 Complete-re-install?

 _Thanks

The last 8.2 -- 9.1 upgrade I did wasn't an upgrade but had to be a fresh 
install. The machine concerned was running on XFS, and the installer kept 
choking. I had the same problem with a 9.0 machine yesterday trying to go to 
9.2. On that one the upgrade didn't like the flavour of Reiser FS used on 
9.0.

HTH
Charlie
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Law of Continuity:
Experiments should be reproducible.  They should all fail the same way.
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 06:29 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
 On Wednesday 22 October 2003 02:45 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
  Although the best security for Windows that I've found is the installer
  for Mandrake Linux and the Use Entire Disk option. (-;

 Wow, what a great sig that would make!
 -- cmg

You mean like the one on this reply? eG

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Re: [expert] msec and Directory permissions......

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October 23, 2003 11:46 am, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:
 Thanks! I didn't even notice that I fat fingered my name.  :-(

 Ralph

I think we all have those brain fart moments, don't we? My latest one was my 
son's e-mail address yesterday. I had him living in .cz instead of .ca. 

I did catch it before some SA like me pointed it out though. g

You're welcome.(-:

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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 03:34 am, KevinO wrote:
 Two real quick comments and then I'm out of this thread...

 1) This thread has nothing to do with running Mandrake.

This thread has a lot to do with network infiltration and an extreme lack of 
bandwidth available because so many infected machines are co-opting so much 
trying to make new friends. Since it affects the performance of at least 
local branches of the internet, and some sections of the trunk, it affects 
any connected system, Mandrake or not. 

If we need to discuss how to help neighbours de-worm their Windows boxes so we 
actually have bandwidth to use this ...has nothing to do with running 
Mandrake is not entirely accurate IMHO.

 2) She really needs a firewall, hardware firewall prefered. For ease of
 use, installation and administration, reliability and security, the best
 balance in a low or no-cost solution might be an old pentium box running
 smoothwall.

Good points. But will it be enough?

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 03:23 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
[..]

  She wouldn't have to Anne. Read about Gibe at your favourite
  security information source.
 
  Like this one:
 
  http://sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32gibef.html

 Well, it made interesting reading.  It was Swen.  In fact of the 4
 instances her av picked up, two were said to be in her Trash, and two
 in a backup.  None of the mails were visible in those files.  We have
 come to the conclusion that emptying the Trash does not get rid of
 mails completely, and it is necessary to compact folders to do that.
 Compacting is now part of her routine.

It's a TSR (terminate, stay resident) and an agile little bastard so I doubt 
using the flush handle on the trash would accomplish anything Anne. It also 
does nasty things to the boot sector, so the removal procedure can be a 
nightmare. As soon as it or one of it's brethren becomes a migratory mutant 
there's going to develop a large market for disposable hard drives. Or new 
systems may have to be built with no HDD and run Knoppix style from a write 
protected CD-R/DVD-R.

Let's look at possibilities for the paranoid; maybe the whole thing was 
started by a secret MS lab in order to promote the Trusted Computing Alliance 
and Paladium? 

Have I just become responsible for a new urban legend/conspiracy theory? )-:

 As for how it works, I thought that only Outlook address books were
 vulnerable to this.  She keeps her av up to date, and did not send
 any mails after the report, apart from the one to me when I asked her
 to send the av report file, so hopefully she hasn't infected anyone
 else.

Since the worm uses it's own smtp engine or co-opts the Windows one it may not 
matter whether she sent anything, and it would have been possible for the 
worm to send copies of itself to any system that it could find with it's own 
scanning facility. With her address I do believe. Without any record in sent 
mail.

 She isn't on a lan, and she doesn't use file-sharing programs, so that
 part's OK.

Is she connected by dial-up or a broadband connection? If the latter the 
network she uses to access the web can be treated as a lan by the worm. It 
will scan for any vulnerable system on any type of network it's connected to.

 She would not have filled in an email details request form without
 asking me - she plays safe every time - nor would she have allowed
 the fake windows update.  I had sent her reminders to avoid the fake
 M$ emails and she would have made the connection.  I'll do extra
 checks for the files it mentions, but hopefully we have got rid of it
 this time.

I certainly hope so Anne. I do know what !fun you're going through. From 
personal experience. I also know what the next two weeks (at the very least) 
are going to be like for me. The only good part of it is that I usually end 
up with a few more members of the Mandrake Family every time something such 
as this happens.

So I suppose it's worth the work and aggravation.

 As soon as she is back home and working I'll get her av registration
 details so that I can talk to Kaspersky about how we can ensure that
 such things are caught 'at the door'.  Although I can see how OE
 would be a priority for them, I think it's unlikely that other mail
 apps can't have that protection.

 Anne

I hope the manufacturer of her av application is more enlightened than some of 
the MS Partners.

Best of luck with keeping the system clean Anne. I think we'll all need all of 
the luck we can get.

feel good
Time to disconnect this system and deliver it. My son should be pleased with 
9.2 I think. If he doesn't he can work on his own damned system. (-;
/feel good

Charlie
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Friends, n.:
People who borrow your books and set wet glasses on them.

People who know you well, but like you anyway.
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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 22, 2003 06:08 am, Bryan Phinney wrote:
snip
 And somehow we are led to believe that getting into a room with a bunch of
 corporate representatives from various companies will somehow result in a
 superior product than the free marketplace of ideas and technical quality?

 I don't know about your own experiences, but everytime I have been involved
 in a product development effort designed by a committee, I have not been
 overly impressed with the final results.  Again, YMMV.

My own personal experiences with anything involving committees forces me to 
fall back on an old quote:

A committee is the only lifeform in the known universe with many limbs, many 
eyes, many mouths..

and no brains.

Sorry but I thought the discussion was becoming too intense.

No offence intended. (-:

 In my experience, nothing is secure.  If you want absolute security, load
 software on the box, rip out all the disk drives, network connections,
 external interfaces and the keyboard and you are now secure.  I used to
 have an old XT computer chassis, no disk drives, no keyboard and no working
 ports, that was a pretty secure box.

I don't disagree with what you say, but I understand Haywire's point. For the 
average non-technically inclined computer user any GNU/Linux/Open Source 
system is easier to secure and maintain as secure. Simply because there are 
so many ways to work toward the goal and so many available tools and layers 
of defence to use.

Regards;
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weapon, n.:
An index of the lack of development of a culture.
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 22, 2003 10:56 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
[..]
  Since the worm uses it's own smtp engine or co-opts the Windows one
  it may not matter whether she sent anything, and it would have been
  possible for the worm to send copies of itself to any system that
  it could find with it's own scanning facility. With her address I
  do believe. Without any record in sent mail.

 Not a nice thought.

 She's on dial-up, so that at least is in our favour.

Well that will help a bit. Any (unsecured) Windows system that's connected to 
any network is (should be) a source of concern for anyone else on that 
network.

Although the best security for Windows that I've found is the installer for 
Mandrake Linux and the Use Entire Disk option. (-;
  I certainly hope so Anne. I do know what !fun you're going through.
  From personal experience. I also know what the next two weeks (at
  the very least) are going to be like for me. The only good part of
  it is that I usually end up with a few more members of the Mandrake
  Family every time something such as this happens.
 
  So I suppose it's worth the work and aggravation.
 
   As soon as she is back home and working I'll get her av
   registration details so that I can talk to Kaspersky about how we
   can ensure that such things are caught 'at the door'.  Although I
   can see how OE would be a priority for them, I think it's
   unlikely that other mail apps can't have that protection.
 
  I hope the manufacturer of her av application is more enlightened
  than some of the MS Partners.

 Hopefully.

  Best of luck with keeping the system clean Anne. I think we'll all
  need all of the luck we can get.
 
  feel good
  Time to disconnect this system and deliver it. My son should be
  pleased with 9.2 I think. If he doesn't he can work on his own
  damned system. (-; /feel good

 The good news is that she will be starting a new job in around 3
 months.  Soon the worst of the current pressure will be over for her,
 and I'm look at whether it's possible to give her Mandrake and
 win4lin to cope with her needs.  If she can keep the Internet part
 out of Windows it should help.

 Anne

Is she easy to manipulate? (-;

If so (or maybe especially if she isn't) you could try some of my (social 
engineering for a reason) regular arguments modified to suit the 
circumstances. Things such as; 

So; do you actually enjoy having some faceless stranger that you'll never 
meet, and have no reason to trust, make decisions about your private 
information internet use and _life_, or do you trust *your mother?*

The father version of that one worked on my kids anyway. As independent and 
anarchistic as any pair of teenagers I've ever met. That quality must have 
been inherited from their mother's side. eg

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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 22, 2003 12:38 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
chomp
  For
  the average non-technically inclined computer user any GNU/Linux/Open
  Source system is easier to secure and maintain as secure. Simply because
  there are so many ways to work toward the goal and so many available
  tools and layers of defence to use.

 Fact is, I personally feel that the unified architecture of centralized
 products is a disadvantage when it comes to security.  I like the chaotic
 nature of current varied distributions of Linux.

You're absolutely correct as far as I can tell.

I guess that means we're in total agreement. (-:

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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 22, 2003 02:17 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:53:18 -0600

 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  You're absolutely correct as far as I can tell.
 
  I guess that means we're in total agreement. (-:

 Motion carried! We nuke Redmond!

 er, that *was* the motion, right? where's the minutes...

Close enough for guvmint work isn't it? eG

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Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs

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October 22, 2003 02:42 pm, D. R. Evans wrote:
 On 16 Oct 2003 at 10:40, Eric Fernandez wrote:
  Add the main  source of the 9.2 branch and you can get it with urpmi
  through FTP. But I agree it is nice to have it on the 3rd CD.

 Can you put that in English for me? I finally got urpmi to add media, by
 using the apparently command drakclub that someone here kindly mentioned
 a couple of days ago (which caused it to add something called
 club.comm_i586_9.2, whatever that means -- the commercial packages,
 maybe?, but not the kernel sources).

 What exactly is the name of the kernel source RPM? I tried listing all the
 ones that contain kernel, but none of those looks right. Maybe I'm just
 looking for the wrong name; I've never needed to find kernel sources
 before.

   Doc

Sorry for the book below!

urpmi kernel-source

Doc;

If you have an update_source configured for the Software Manager (urpmi) to 
use, the kernel-source for the update kernel (2.4.22-18mdk) should have 
propagated to all the update mirrors by now. If not you can get it directly 
and rpm -Uvh it, but when you do update the kernel as well. It fixes some 
glitches according to the advisory I got this afternoon. The following 
commands run as super user from a terminal may help:

urpmi.addmedia main 
ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS 
with ../base/hdlist.cz

urpmi.addmedia contrib 
ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/contrib/i586 with 
../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz

urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/9.2 with 
hdlist.cz

urpmi.addmedia update_source 
ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS with 
../base/hdlist.cz

will get you everything except the club, which it seems you already have. 
Check the sources you already have first though. You may have to run:

urpmi.removemedia -a

first then start from scratch. If you do I'd suggest adding the club last but 
it may not matter.

When I tried to update my son's machine this morning the updates weren't on 
the mirrors yet, but I just spoke to my daughter and had her run:

urpmi.update -a -f  urpmi --wget --auto-select -v

on that machine. She says the total was shown as 279 MB.

I hope everbody has a fast connection. (-;

Regards;
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

2003-10-21 Thread Charlie M.

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October 21, 2003 03:25 pm, rikona wrote:
[..]
 AW That's what puzzles me.  She would never open an executable.  She
 AW would never agree to running one.  Java and javascript are
 AW disabled  for mail.  She is set to read and write plain text.
 AW Still they have  managed to do damage.

She wouldn't have to Anne. Read about Gibe at your favourite security 
information source.

Like this one:

http://sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32gibef.html

 The more you write, the more it looks as though it is not an email
 problem.

If as I suspect this new wonder worm is a variant of Gibe it's quite capable 
of infecting an entire local area network through shares, instant messengers 
and a few other methods I don't recall at the moment. It doesn't need to use 
the Outlook or any other address book. It is truly a nasty evil rotten piece 
of malware delivered by someone that should be tracked down, shot and p!$$ed 
on. 

Not necessarily in that order.

 AW At first I thought is was coincidence, but  since the same files
 AW have to be replaced every time it happens I no  longer believe
 AW that.

 Is it possible that the real problem has not been removed, and is
 still lurking on the machine? She might have multiple problems. It is
 not at all unusual in Win computers that are not locked down very
 tight.

To have a chance of clearing my friend's network Sunday I had to physically 
disconnect (pulled the cables and shut down the router) all 3 of his machines 
from the network, disconnect and power down the printer, and shut the router 
down completely then not reconnect until everything was back to worm free 
status. It wasn't a fun way to spend the evening.

 AW I'm thankful that at least she is not  contributing to the spread
 AW of viruses, but I can't understand how  they are doing this
 AW damage.

 If her address book has entries, don't be too sure. :-))

As i posted above the address book isn't the only avenue for infection to 
spread. Any unsecured Windows box connected to almost any network with an 
infected machine will be toast in a very short time.sigh

God I hate Windows!

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

2003-10-21 Thread Charlie M.

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October 21, 2003 09:16 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
[..]
   AW That's what puzzles me.  She would never open an executable.  She
   AW would never agree to running one.  Java and javascript are
   AW disabled  for mail.  She is set to read and write plain text.
   AW Still they have  managed to do damage.
 
  She wouldn't have to Anne. Read about Gibe at your favourite security
  information source.
 
  Like this one:
 
  http://sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32gibef.html
 
   The more you write, the more it looks as though it is not an email
   problem.
 
  If as I suspect this new wonder worm is a variant of Gibe it's quite
  capable of infecting an entire local area network through shares, instant
  messengers and a few other methods I don't recall at the moment. It
  doesn't need to use the Outlook or any other address book. It is truly a
  nasty evil rotten piece of malware delivered by someone that should be
  tracked down, shot and p!$$ed on.
 
  Not necessarily in that order.

 With the amount of Iced Tea I've been drinking of late the 3rd step is a
 no brainer.. *grin*

If we catch the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@rd I'll pay for the refreshments. If I get to help 
with 
the hosing down. (-:

  God I hate Windows!

 Yeah, but the number one reason to keep windows around.  Lots and lots
 of work.

I guess everything has a purpose right? g I could really do without Sundays 
of that sort though.

 James

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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 04:08 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
[..]
  sigh
  Gotta go rescue a neighbour that's been suckered for the third time in
  six months. After being told not to click here or install.
 
  Let's see...what should I charge him; it's Sunday, he was warned at least
  twice(-;

 Send him this cartoon.

 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030823mode=classic

 James

Thanks James; I needed that. (-; 

This thread has certainly grown and mutated since I left late yesterday 
afternoon.

It turned out to be all three of his machines. This latest thing must be a 
version of swen. Very similar damage to the last time he was foolish.

On a brighter note, he won't turn Active Scripting back on or use Lookout 
Infect again. I don't think he liked the bill he just paid. g

I think someone also gained an understanding of why I always nag about 
back-ups.

Good night (morning) all.
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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 20, 2003 02:54 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  You may find this interesting:
 
  http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml

Another misguided attempt by an MS apologist to deflect with smoke and 
mirrors, with a leavening of faulty logic, what is widely known: 

The average semi technophobic user, especially after being saturation bombed 
for years with the official Microsoft party line by tech journalists, can 
leave themselves wide open to anything malicious entities can dream up. The 
operating system is irrelevant. It's just takes a whale of a lot more effort, 
and can be a lot more difficult, to screw up while using GNU/Linux.

As my maternal grandfather was wont to say Never underestimate the power of 
human stupidity. Especially in large groups. insert maniacal laughter

I wonder if he thinks he's being cool by calling users wet ware. If he 
thinks he's a wit he's (maybe) half right.

  Anne

 sigh Here we go again.

 As has happened many times before, the author of this piece of
 journalistic tripe is trolling for controversy.

 The *fact* is that Linux is several times more resistant to trivial
 exploits than Windows. There is no one in the security field with more
 than ten brain cells who disputes this.

 Yes, it is possible to exploit Linux platforms, just like it's possible
 to exploit any platform. The question is: is it *trivial*?

 Windows: yes. Linux: no.

 The article this journalist seeks to rebut makes this point fairly
 well, it's not propaganda, it's not wishful thinking or anyone burying
 their heads in the sand. It's just an observation of something that is
 common knowledge.

 Let's put it this way, as someone on my local LUG list said:

 Take a default install of any Linux distro, and a default install of
 Windows, connect them to the internet with no firewall or any antivirus
 software, and see which one gets compromised 1st.

 Anyone care to bet?

 C'mon, I'll give you ten to one on the Windows box... ;-)

According to a page my ISP once displayed in the members area of their site, 
any Windows system connected to their network is likely to be 
exploited/infected within 12-24 hours if a default install with no security 
software is used. Seems they've removed that page or I just don't remember 
where it was. Probably the former and I wonder why. (-;

I wonder who Pete Sargeant is when he isn't posting ridiculous crap on web 
sites.

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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 20, 2003 04:11 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
snip
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
 
  As my maternal grandfather was wont to say Never underestimate the power
  of human stupidity. Especially in large groups. insert maniacal
  laughter

 What a smart man. Reminds me of one of my favorites, never attribute to
 malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

I knew I had heard another appropriate aphorism somewhere, thanks.

  I wonder if he thinks he's being cool by calling users wet ware. If
  he thinks he's a wit he's (maybe) half right.

 Ah give him a break, he's probably fifteen and just read his first Rudy
 Rucker :-)

You're quite likely correct Jack.

OK, I'll bite; Rudy Rucker? Never mind, I Googled it, I'll figure it out.

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I've finally learned what upward compatible means.  It means we get to
keep all our old mistakes.
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Re: [expert] Virus?

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October 20, 2003 07:04 pm, yankl wrote:
 snip
 Before flaming me read my signature.

Why would I flame you?

 Sorry to spoil that bashing of the writer, but he makes a valid point. It
 is not an OS, it is user who use it. 99.% of windblows viruses are
 based on the social engineering in addition to software flow.

I bash the writer because I see his article as an attack on anyone that holds 
the view that Windows is insecure by design, and his alluding to the fact 
that those of us stating the opposite about GNU/Linux are idiots. 

While I agree with your analysis that much of the burden is on users, I don't 
agree with much else that author wrote. I've never told anyone that GNU/Linux 
was invulnerable, one of his facts; but I often tell people that it's a 
hell of a lot easier to secure, and to keep secure, than Windows has ever 
been.

If you thought the quote from my grandfather was directed strictly at the 
author of the rebuttal read it again. Specifically in the light of what I 
said about users before that quote.

Other than that I'm forced to respectfully agree to disagree with you that the 
author even had a point.

Other than the ones on his head. (-:

I've read and heard far too many similar arguments with zero basis in fact 
from too many sources over the years.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

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October 19, 2003 06:11 am, Thomas Backlund wrote:
 [...]
  Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees
 before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it 
on the TWiki (cooker).

 gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs...
 you don't need it for making cds...

I guess that's another of those things I do from habit then. Left over from 
too many urpmi errors/installation failed messages.

 both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure...
 gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for
 the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their
 depencies met...

After I posted that reply I ran makecd against my local cooker tree to build a 
set of disks for a friend that wants to participate but has broadband that 
isn't quite. Tons and tons of errors/warnings but it did generate disks. I'll 
post if they aren't usable for an install. That won't necessarily apply to 
the 9.2 tree though. It's a cooker tree.

 as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz
 and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents
 (so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...)
 [...]

  I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
  how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
  because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
  there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
  have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
  connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
  and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
  pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
  contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
  to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
  production).

 The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you
 that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them
 anyway...
 so it does make the cd's installable ...

  In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
  significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
  should be shipping in the next two weeks!
 
  Joeb

 Regards

 Thomas

I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others on 
these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-:

My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker 
install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real reason 
to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels I've 
installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer ape-like 
curiosity though. g

Speaking of kernels; I for one appreciate all your hard work on that front.

Thanks Thomas.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 12:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 I have just received the latest version of the fake M$ mails:

 Last Network Security Update
 Date: Sun Oct 19 17:55:27 2003
 From: Microsoft Internet Security Center
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Microsoft Consumer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Microsoft Consumer

 this is the latest version of security update, the
 October 2003, Cumulative Patch update which eliminates
 all known security vulnerabilities affecting
 MS Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express
 as well as three newly discovered vulnerabilities.
 Install now to help protect your computer
 from these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could
 allow an attacker to run code on your system.
 This update includes the functionality of all previously released
 patches.

 While I was away several people told me that they were just doing
 something quite normal, 'and then I got the virus.  And I had done
 what Microsoft said in their message'.  I know it's ridiculous
 expecting virus writers to play fair, but this particular scam is the
 one most likely to trap otherwise wary people.  Aarrgghhh!  I'm not
 usually a violent person, but I'd like to hang, draw and quarter the
 person that thought this one up.

 Anne

Thanks for an opportunity to join a rant Anne. (-;

The sad part is that so many people will be taken in by such transparent 
social engineering crap. I spend more time de-worming infected Windows 
boxes than I do at anything else, and I'm not even trying to make a living at 
it. 

All of my friends and acquaintances have been apprised that they'll get one 
freebie, but the next time they're silly enough to Click here to install on 
a Microsoft security update e-mail the repair will cost them whatever I can 
get away with charging them. If they don't like that they're welcome to take 
the box to the nearest local service centre and pay the average minmum $75 
door charge. Plus costs.

Sometimes I think we all need to carry a smart stick with us at all times to 
whack these geniuses with. g

sigh 
Gotta go rescue a neighbour that's been suckered for the third time in six 
months. After being told not to click here or install.

Let's see...what should I charge him; it's Sunday, he was warned at least 
twice(-;

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 01:18 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
snip
  Thanks for an opportunity to join a rant Anne. (-;
 
  The sad part is that so many people will be taken in by such
  transparent social engineering crap. I spend more time de-worming
  infected Windows boxes than I do at anything else, and I'm not even
  trying to make a living at it.

 My daughter gets her email through Mozilla on windows98.  She
 carefully deletes everything that she doesn't recognise as genuine
 mail.  She runs antivirus and keeps it up to date.  Still she keeps
 getting virused emails in from the people who are on a mailing group
 that she must use - the av software tells her it's there, but it's
 too late.  They can't fully activate, of course, under Mozilla, as
 they can't launch the appropriate M$ apps to do it, but they still
 manage to corrupt several files each time.  The cab files are always
 corrupted, and so is a java file.  Occasionally there's one or two
 more - this time there were two downloaded zip files corrupted.

I'm with you. The one exception to the all the traffic will bear rule I 
mentioned is people that I know don't do silly things. Like using Lookout 
Infect for e-mail. Those are people that I just sympathize with and help as 
I'm able.

As an aside, doesn't the free Zone Alarm install include some sort of script 
blocking for e-mail, or is that only for that infection transport agent that 
comes with Windows as an e-mail client? Also I find it amazing that an 
anti-virus app can't freeze a virus at the door when the message first enters 
the queue. Is she running with java and scripting on or off in e-mail and 
newsgroups? Turning them off may actually help somewhat.

 Quite apart from the time I spend on this, it makes me very angry that
 she takes every precaution a non-geek can be expected to take, and
 yet still she suffers this regularly.  As to where they come from - I
 think without exception they have come from people who send their
 mails through their work account, in local hospitals!

 Anne

If that's the case, and since we aren't able to track down and keelhaul the 
author of the mal-ware, we should string up the sysadmins at those 
institutions. Or at least the users that are clicking everything in site at 
the facility.

Or both. vbeg

Charlie
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Re: [expert] RANT: vicious viruses

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October 19, 2003 03:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
snip
  As an aside, doesn't the free Zone Alarm install include some sort
  of script blocking for e-mail, or is that only for that infection
  transport agent that comes with Windows as an e-mail client?

 I've used ZA in the past as a personal firewall.  I'm not aware of it
 dealing with script blocking for email.  Maybe that's a new addition.

I'm fairly sure it is part of the install but I really don't pay much 
attention to the Windows utilities when I help someone set up a dual boot 
system, beyond basic configuration of network, start-up etc. Maybe I should 
but I would rather make the effort to make the mandrake (or ???) install 
sparkle instead. Prejudice I guess. (-;

 I did look at that.  There is a module there for mail protection, but
 it seems to be entirely aimed at Outlook users.  Their Tech. support
 is quite good, so I think it's time to email them and ask them just
 how it can be used with Mozilla.

Good plan, please pass along any information you receive?

  If that's the case, and since we aren't able to track down and
  keelhaul the author of the mal-ware, we should string up the
  sysadmins at those institutions. Or at least the users that are
  clicking everything in site at the facility.

 My sister-in-law works in a hospital.  She told me the other week that
 they had had all new systems put in.  It was only two days old when
 it went down - virused.  The whole department, that hadn't even
 completed transferring their data.  Not only that, it took down every
 hospital in the Leeds and Bradford district.  And - they were down
 for a week.

 Our taxes pay the guys who put in that system!

Taxes also pay the mental midgets in elected office and the thousands of 
bureaucrats that work for the responsible ministries so what the devil are 
they doing propagating the MS-VTS? Have they never heard of cheaper, open 
source, _secure_ systems before? 

Like so many of that ilk they only care about their little fiefdom, not the 
peasants out here in the real world. I don't think recall elections are 
used correctly (should involve lynch mobs I think), or often enough in 
so-called democracies.

Get a rope! g

 Anne

It's definitely time for my quarterly nuisance letters, e-mails, and calls 
to MPs (Fed) and MLAs (Provincial) again. This sort of crap is happening here 
as often as anywhere.

Charlie
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

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October 19, 2003 03:39 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
whack
  I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others
  on these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-:
 
  My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker
  install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real
  reason to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels
  I've installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer
  ape-like curiosity though. g

 Charlie,

I know that one.  I remember RH4.2 and two solid weeks of install
 adjust break... re-install, adjust, break,. And for those
 who say a re-install is never needed. You should have seen how well I
 broke 4.2  One thing I got really good at was setting up multi-boot
 boxes.  (I was running RH4.2, A Korean Linux who's name I've forgotten,
 FreeBSD 2.6 and winders ninety weight.)  All on a single pair of 3 gig
 drives.  My greatest discovery was KDE 0.5(or thereabouts) for FreeBSD.
 And yes, KDE was originally a FreeBSD wm.

 James

That all sounds _so_ familiar. :-))) Especially the winders ninety weight 
(SE) part. The versions were more recent but the pain of the self inflicted 
variety was similar.

I remember hating GNOME and being ecstatic when I was able to run KDE too. I 
still hate GNOME but I'm more inclined to ignore KDE as well now.

Thanks James for bringing back those memories to illustrate that it ain't as 
tough as it once was. g

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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 09:03 am, Joeb wrote:
I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images
with MakeCD. Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all
created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and
are left out. Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all
refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc).

I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a
cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks
like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to
use it. Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error
becomes very frustrating. So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs
with MakeCD?

Joeb

p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post
it to the twiki.

Hi Joe;

In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2
is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs
is slightly different but the packages are basically the same.

The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called
Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash
identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release
you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this
before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when
cooker was still frozen.

Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before
building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the
TWiki (cooker).

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Running_gendistrib

There are links and mini how-tos from that page to MakeCD and other tidbits.

Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake
Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc.

But not for this box. It stays cooked.

http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_1.phpid_art=346LANG_=en#GOTO_346

That link will probably wrap.

Regards;
Charlie
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toilet seat.
-- Michael McShane
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Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 02:30 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote:
  Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd
  as urpmi source.

 Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It
 will not be accepted without!

 Good luck,
 HarM

Are you sure about that HarM? 

I've written an updates disk for use when doing 9.1 installs from my local 
updates mirror directory and never had a problem. urpmi generates, or seems 
to, a synthesis for use when none is available. Once the source is set up 
it's accessible, and a hell of a lot faster than doing an internet update for 
new installs. Especially for the few around here that are still on dial up.

BTW you can download the updates hdlist.cz from the same mirror you get the 
packages from and just add it to the CD.

Then again I rsync everything for the current two releases (9.0, 9.1, and 
cooker at the moment. Soon dropping 9.0) on my local drives.

Regards;
Charlie
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(from David Black, [EMAIL PROTECTED], with apologies to Derek and the
Dominos, and Werner Almsberger)
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Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie M.

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October 18, 2003 03:16 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:46, Charlie M. wrote:
  Are you sure about that HarM?

 If you don't download all the rpm's in that directory, then the hdlist.cz
 will not be valid anymoreyou'll have to generate a new one with the
 right packages using the -f option.
 If the gui does that by default...frankly, I don't know. Me and rpmdrake
 don't get along;)

 Good luck,
 HarM

I see what you're saying. I should have mentioned that the disks are always 
faithful reproductions of _everything_ in the updates directory of the 
mirrors.

I've yet to have it bite me, but since I have the synchronized updates hdlist 
on my hard drives I can always add it to the disk. So far so good though.

It becomes painful at times sitting on this pile of horse shoes. g

C.
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Re: [expert] urpmi

2003-10-15 Thread Charlie M.

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October 15, 2003 01:17 pm, Tim Sawchuck wrote:
 On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:19:02 +0200

 Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tim Sawchuck schrieb am Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:51:45 -0700:
There is a rumor that the complete 9.2 RPMS were also released on
the mirrors by mistake, but I have not been able to get any kind of
connect to verify.  That would add to the frenzy, if true
  
   Well. duh..
  
   9.2 RPMS are available right from the source mirrors!
   http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#586
 
  And it was not 'by mistake'. It was an action, planned by a human brain,
  acted out by humans with the help of electronic devices and ancient
  knowledge. So how can you think of 'a mistake'?

 I thought the general release for the public was not until the end of
 October.  We (public / non-mdk club) can download rpms and isos now???

 See why I'm confused, or am I the only one as usual?  ;-)

 Tim

The 9.2 Canicule trees would need to be on the mirrors as they are because:

Those individuals with access to the ISOs ahead of mere mortals g will need 
to be able to add the contrib directories for a lot of software not on the 
disks;

The ISOs won't hold everything in main simply because of space limitations so 
that needs to be there as well;

The SRPMS need to be there so that people with odd hardware systems can roll 
their own.

I'm sure there are other reasons too. Just my brief take.

BTW there are no hdlist2.cz files on the mirrors so you'll probably have to 
genhdlist on the full tree to use contribs anyway.

Charlie
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Re: [expert] linux complient notebooks

2003-10-14 Thread Charlie M.

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October 14, 2003 07:34 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
 I would like to get opinions from those possesing linux compatible
 notebooks without any driver problem. Further I would like to ask those
 possessing intel centrino based notebooks their usability in linux for
 wireless connection. Mine will be general purpose using productivity apps
 and also video and audio playing from cds and dvds in addition to internet
 oriented jobs.

I'd start at:

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

Charlie
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If you cannot in the long run tell everyone what you have been doing,
your doing was worthless.
-- Edwim Schrodinger
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Re: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website

2003-10-11 Thread Charlie M.

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October 11, 2003 07:16 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
 On Saturday 11 October 2003 10:24 am, Eric Huff wrote:
   Honestly, maybe I don't hang out in the right places or something,
   but my wife and I do almost everything online using Mozilla and
   Galeon and hardly ever run into this problem. It's been at least a
   year since the last time I had to show her how to spoof a browser
   ID with Konqueror.
 
  It still happens.  There are a couple sites (which i can't remember
  now) i need that does, and people on newbie mention it every so
  often.  I always send them a letter asking to remove such a useless
  requirement...
 
  eric

 A recent experience:
 During dinner a week or so back, SheThatIs decreed that the purchase and
 installation of a new mailbox and post was essential to my continued
 happiness. There are two major sources for such purchases in this neck of
 the woods -- Lowe's and Home Depot. Wanting to eliminate schlepping between
 the two stores, I decided to visit to each company's web site to compare
 their offerings. Fired up Konq, went to Lowe's, and saw what they had. Next
 stop, Home Depot. Oops! Some nitwit has decided that since I would not be
 able to enjoy the full benefits of their site because I was not running
 either Netscape 4.0 or IE 4.0; further access was denied.

 The next morning I dropped about $150 at Lowe's for the mailbox, mailbox
 post, and some other stuff.

 Yes, I could reconfigure to Konq to get past Home Depot's barrier, but why
 the hell should I? They are the ones trying to sell something to me.

 And yes, I thought about sending them a nastygram, but that was not in the
 list of options. (Remember when every website had a Contact Webmaster
 link?) Then too, would anyone who considers Netscape 4.0 and IE 4.0 to be
 the latest and greatest understand my complaint? The idiot must still think
 it's 1997.

 -- cmg

I find that rather astonishing since, according to friends that work at a 
local branch of Home Depot, their servers are all running HP Ux. At least it 
ain't W2k3 or another MS Virus Transport System. 

I also thought I read recently that they were converting the whole operation 
to GNU/Linux. Or just investigating the possibility maybe.

Netcraft doesn't say anything about GNU/Linux though:

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=homedepot.com

They should just string up their webmasters.

Please ignore the Fortune. This computer is as weird as its owner. g

Charlie
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Re: [expert] ML9.1: Why did Mandrake put restrictions on using KDE as root? (Konqueror timeout errors)

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October 4, 2003 02:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
[..]
 And if you don't like to use the command line, use File Manager, Super
 User.  Shut it down when you've finished, but you can safely leave it
 open until you have finished and tested what you are doing.

 Anne

Of course in 9.2 you'll have to *make* FM Super User mode first. It seems to 
have been disappeared.

Charlie
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Re: [expert] ML9.1: Why did Mandrake put restrictions on using KDE as root? (Konqueror timeout errors)

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October 4, 2003 09:46 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
[..]
 I don't know how the menu item, FM Super User mode, will be resolved but
 you can always press alt-F2 and type in
 kdesu konqueror
 to run konqueror as root, after supplying the root password, or kdesu
 anything to run anything as root.  At least, kdebase must be installed
 as kdesu is part of that.

 Rolf

Thanks for stating the blatantly obvious when the merely obvious would 
suffice. (-:

Rolf, I know how to work around it, you know how to do it, what does 
Mr./Mrs./Ms. J. Sixpack do when s/he's told to use that utility and it ain't 
there? You can explain until you're blue but the average user is just going 
to see it as confirmation of; and detractors will use it as more fuel for, 
the Linux is too hard! FUD fire.

In my opinion it's just another example of my stated objection to developers 
having *anything* to do with deciding user interfaces or GUI functionality. 
The so called ergonomics of a distribution. The distance between the 
species is far too great.

A desktop manager is the ultimate in GUI functionality and 99% of what a 
newbie will base their opinions of a distribution on are rooted in that. 
Since in this case it is lacking a few expected functions that opinion will 
probably be rather low for 9.2. 

Uber-geek workarounds, or even regular geek workarounds, are not the correct 
direction to push the desktop managers. _Any_ desktop manager.

It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.

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Re: [expert] Audigy 2 Support

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October 4, 2003 07:10 am, J. Kelley Jernigan wrote:
 Has anyone had any success getting the Audigy 2 sound card to work on
 MDK 9.1?
 I have one in a new Dell 8300 and it doesn't work at all.
 I have Goggled for answers and it looks like this card is not supported
 by Linux.

 Thanks.

Call Dell and scream for a replacement for the card. The version OEM-ed for 
Dell has been crippled and won't use the audigy2 drivers.

Seen it before and had to yell until the customer was sent a replacement. I 
don't remember the details, but I know a Dell supplied OEM Audigy2 ain't the 
same as an off the shelf version.

Ah, here we are. Copied from a bugzilla report that confirms what I thought I 
remembered g:

The problem with Dell's Sound Blaster Live is that their new computers
ship with sound cards that have the DSP chip crippled so that all sound
processing functions take place in software rather than hardware (like a
WinModem).  Creative and Dell have no solution to this, but I got Dell to send
me a replacement Sound Blaster Audigy 2.

Good luck;
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Re: [expert] Audigy 2 Support

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October 4, 2003 12:16 pm, Thomas Backlund wrote:
[..]
 Would someone with one of theese Dell systems with cripled audigy2 dsp send
 me the output of lspcidrake -v...
 If we can't get it to work normally, maybe we can work around the problem
 with it...

 Regards

 Thomas

If nobody has posted the required information by Tuesday when I'm scheduled to 
go back there I'll post it Thomas. Is there anything else that might be of 
value to you?

I just hope you don't have to wait that long.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] ML9.1: Why did Mandrake put restrictions on using KDE as root? (Konqueror timeout errors)

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[..]
October 4, 2003 12:20 pm, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
 Well, that's not exactly how I see it.  Having never used the menu item
 for File Manager Super User mode, I can see where someone else might
 have more of an attachment to it.  There are other expected behaviors,
 such as being able to decline installation of a bootloader at install
 when I simply want to add an entry to an existing bootloader, that have
 caused me more personal discomfiture when they have disappeared.

It's just a tool Rolf. I know that. I can work around it and even add a 
clickable icon on the person's desktop with a name that will make sense to 
them. That usually becomes strike one for me and Mandrake Linux though. 

I modified their system, mild panic and moderate paranoia starts there.

rant mode
I understand your position, hell I can understand why things are done the way 
they are most of the time. I'll even agree with the complaint about the 
behaviour of the bootloader since it's bitten me on the ass a few times. 
But

Has anybody officially decided what the Mandrake Linux focus going forward 
will be? Is it Corporate desktop, home user desktop, server, or something 
else? That is basically a rhetorical question since it really doesn't matter. 

For _any_ user coming from the Windows world their entire experience has been 
point'n'click. That's about all Windows System Administrators have ever 
learned in most cases. I've read posts in various fora that sysadmins need 
application/utility X because it's the way they learned to do their jobs in 
MS network environments. Users shouldn't be able to xxx or yyy because the 
sysadmin doesn't want them to zzz. If it's a a privately owned box with one 
user (the owner) who the hell says that individual shouldn't be allowed to 
break the damned thing any way and all they like? 

Fine and who the devil cares? Anyone calling themselves a system administrator 
should be able to do anything they need with whatever tools are available 
because, to my mind, that's what the job *is.* The problem is some of us find 
the only way to convince users to try Mandrake Linux, thereby possibly 
exposing their employers to the distribution, is to help them install it and 
use it at home. They can lobby for the switch at work if they like the 
experience. I don't deal with corporations or government. One on one, myself 
and users.

For most of these Windows refugees you've lost as soon as you tell them to 
open a terminal, or open the run dialogue. It's suddenly too hard and they 
don't hear a damned thing you say after that.
/rant mode

 However, my overall perception is that virtually all the software in the
 distro is in a fairly rapid state of flux, as there is plenty of room
 for improvement, and further demands are placed on developers by the
 evolution of hardware.  Having tried gentoo, debian, slackware, suse, et
 al, I appreciate the work that Mandrake have done to produce and
 maintain this, relatively, easy to use distribution out of thousands of
 disparate and changing softwares.

I'm not belittling anything that's been done by Mandrake or the developers and 
volunteers. I'm saying that my hobby is convincing people to try something 
that most of the time scares the hell out of them; and having their fears 
realized before they get to the exploration of the system structure defeats 
the purpose far too often. I have nearly always been able to get someone to 
click an icon and type the administrator password to learn what the 
directory groupings and names look like/are. If I start talking anything more 
geekish than that these people go TILT. 

Then they run.

 One of the strengths of Linux is the variety of choices it provides.
 Considering that change is inevitable in such an  environment, it is
 better to concentrate on the power and flexibility of choice than get
 stuck on how things used to work.  For someone who doesn't even know
 where the menu is, for example, it is almost easier to describe how to
 use alt-F2 than how to get to Applications  File Tools  File
 Manager-Super User Mode.

I don't entirely disagree but see above. What I posted isn't complaints, it's 
observations from bitter experience.

 The changes can cause some stress but I don't think that is,
 necessarily, the developers' fault.  A user's expectations have much to
 do with stress and, as long as the functionality is attainable,
 education about choices and sensible expectations can go a lot further
 to reduce stress than trying to change what are, in many cases,
 pragmatic consequences of development.

But you'll never educate most people because they just want a tool to use. 
They don't want to be educated, and stop listening as soon as anything of 
that nature enters the conversation.

 Like I said, different procedures are going to have a different
 importance to different people.  It's easy to be cool about something
 not being there anymore when you have

Re: [expert] ML9.1: Why did Mandrake put restrictions on using KDE as root? (Konqueror timeout errors)

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October 4, 2003 02:29 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 Charlie M. schrieb am Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:16:01 -0600:
  If I start talking anything more geekish than that these people go
  TILT.
 
  Then they run.
 
  But you'll never educate most people because they just want a tool to
  use. They don't want to be educated, and stop listening as soon as
  anything of that nature enters the conversation.

 It's the old difference between the 2 guys who had to study a certain
 physical law in order to solve a problem.

 1. guy goes to the library and asks for an english translation of the
 original book written in German. There is none. He asks a German
 friend to translate the chapters about the part which is interesting
 for him. He receives the translation, reads the necessary parts and
 goes back to his original task and solves the problem.

 2. guy goes to  language school, learns German and then reads the entire
 book in the original version. Then he goes back to his task.

 Lets not look at the efficiency or the necessary timespan for the second
 guy to learn the language. They both have the same task at hand but
 totally different interests.

 Next week I'm going to meet a couple of young people. One guy asked me
 where he could get some info about Linux. He and his friends are fed up
 with some M$ issues and would like to try something else.

 So, as they all are living in the same town as I do, we are going to
 meet next week and I'll give them a short overview. I'll take my laptop
 with me and will show some flashy things (Have to install xmms and
 mplayer until then!). A pity I can't have the new 9.2 by then.

 They mentioned Red Hat and SuSE as the distributions they heard of. I'll
 show them Mandrake. Let's see what comes out of it. And if your theory
 about the Geek! crying users at the sight of a CLI is really true.

 wobo

I hope they don't run. I'll be modifying my presentations and methods to try 
and overcome some of the natural resistance I expect to encounter. I 
recognize that the onus is on me to make things appear as easy as they 
actually are, and I've already gone back to the pattern that forces the 
potential refugee to ask more than once before I'll do anything more than 
provide links to information. 

If they don't have even that much perseverance they probably would never 
switch anyway.

Unfortunately it seems there's a lot of Linux is cool so get somebody to 
show going on around here. Weeding out the dilettantes like me and the 
people that are actually willing to invest some time and skull sweat is 
becoming a problem. (-:

As long as I'm not causing people to run screaming into the night, I guess I'm 
not doing the Mandrake cause any harm.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] Audigy 2 Support

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October 4, 2003 03:29 pm, J. Kelley Jernigan wrote:
 How do you think Dell will react considering the card works perfectly
 well with XP Pro?

 Also, where did the Audigy 2 drivers for linux come from? I've googled
 and tried Cooker and I cannot find any for Linux.

When I Google for;

emu10k2; audigy 2

there are lots of entries. Like this one:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/91964

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Vinyl to CD]

2003-10-01 Thread Charlie M.

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October 1, 2003 01:20 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 6:08 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
  Anne
 
 Make sure your card is running full duplex if it can ... of
  course the way they define full duplex really isn't but close
  enough.

 I think it is, but I can't remember how to check/set it.

  When it's running this way it can take sound in write it
  to the hdd and play it at the same time.  So.  If you hear it on
  the comps speakers it's going in.

 I can't.

 Anne
Full duplex mode settings are available from ConfigurationKDESoundSound 
System under the I/O tab.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] Vinyl to CD]

2003-10-01 Thread Charlie M.

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October 1, 2003 08:44 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 
  Hmm, I know that on the SB live that I was using in my 10 yr olds
  comp; I really, really had to turn the igain (I'm assuming thats
  input gain???) in aumix way down. It defauts to 100, but I had to
  turn it down to 8-10 to avoid clipping in gramofile.
 
  HTHs!

 Hi, DarkLord.  OK - if I turn igain down to 0 I lose the noise, but
 even 3 brings it back.  I presume it is some sort of feedback, but I
 don't know what's causing it.

 Meanwhile, I had looked at Audacity and Rezound, but without success.
 These are the error messages:

 Rezound -
 virtual void COSSSoundRecorder::initialize(CSound*)
  -- error opening OSS device '/dev/dsp
  -- Device or resource busy

 Audacity -
 Error opening audio device
 (Change the device in the Preferences dialog.)

 /dev/dsp is the only entry in the Preferences dialog.

 Any ideas?

 Anne

Anne;

I apologize for not remembering this sooner. Austin Acton has an article that 
was posted on Desktop Linux and many other websites about building what he 
terms a Mandrake Audio Workstation. I've never found the time to read that 
article, but I do have it on my personal to-do list. Eventually.

http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/subscribelau.php3

is one of the links he has posted in the article. That's the mailing list for 
the Linux Audio Users Group. Their home page is at:

http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/index.php

Austin's article is available from his homesite.

http://groundstate.ca/mdkaw.html

Hope this is of some help somehow. Audiophiles and those that work 
continuously with sound recording, mixing, and editing will probably be a 
better source of information than we on this list. I wish I knew enough about 
the tools and processes to be of any help but that is, as they say, a project 
for another day. g

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Re: [expert] Vinyl to CD

2003-09-30 Thread Charlie M.

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September 30, 2003 09:11 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
[..]
 xmms-diswriter is to rip mp3 to wav only. for recording gramofile is
 better. but it is console mode. you can use audacity or rezound for gui.
 but this sometimes hangs.

I've used diskwrite plug-in to rip entire batches of CDs to OGG but I don't 
think it would do what Anne wants. You are right though, gramofile should be 
the correct app.

Original CDs have a tendency to grow legs when one's children don't live at 
the same address, so I'm glad I have my tunes on a hard drive. g

Regards;
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Re: [expert] Att Vincent.

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September 28, 2003 05:52 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
 Vincent,


I preparation for the coming of 9.2, is the proposed Anthill bug
 tracking system going to be available/used?  Since there are so many
 (self included) who've been asking for this I'd like to possibly hold
 some fingers to the fire so to speak to possibly recruit some help if
 you need it, in order to make it work.

 James

Point me in the right direction and I'll try to help.

I hate fire. (-:

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Re: [expert] urpmi addmedia

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September 28, 2003 05:42 am, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:04:30 -0700

 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 With the exception of the paid for club the easy, fast, way is to
 use
  the command urpmi.setup (available with 9.1 for the first time) it
  carries all the same url's as easyurpmi site and does the commands for
  you. (goes out grabs the hdlists and gets you ready to roll.)

 All this timewhy was it not added by default, esp to the urpmi
 manpage?!

Hay Macwire;

Couldn't resist, sorry. ;)

I don't believe that even most cookers know all the functions built into 
urpm. Somebody's supposed to be able to tell us about _other_ neat tools?

I found it by accident when testing a 9.1 beta2 install and actually 
recommended it a few times here and on newbie. But everyone ignores me, 
rightfully so. (-:

Not everything is in the urpm manpage still. That document may actually one 
day catch up with what's available, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it B.

Besides, that kind of surprise is fun. g

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Re: [expert] Att Vincent.

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September 29, 2003 09:59 am, Jack Coates wrote:
 gnupg key upload seems broken? It uploads the key, then says no keyfile
 uploaded. filename was jcoates-pubkey.asc if that helps.

  ...
 
   http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/
   ...

I uploaded mine when I set up the account, no worries at all. 

I just looked, it's still there. H..

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Re: [expert] Att Vincent.

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September 29, 2003 09:43 am, Vincent Danen wrote:
[..]
 I was going to wait until this week to mention it (when I hopefully get the
 rest of the translations done and can roll out anthill 0.2.4) but...

 http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

 9.2 has a tool called drakbug that will help assist in reporting bugs by
 giving system information (optional) to bug reports so, as long as you have
 an anthill account, you can create the report text on your desktop.


 This is part of the reason I've been so busy in the last 2 weeks.. doing
 some frantic bug squishing in the Anthill code to make it ready.

 =)

 Enjoy!

Sorry, I already set up my user name yesterday. I didn't mean to jump the 
gun.

Thank you Vincent.

Peace;
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September 29, 2003 12:13 pm, Vincent Danen wrote:
 On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 11:42:08AM -0600, Charlie M. wrote:
   gnupg key upload seems broken? It uploads the key, then says no keyfile
   uploaded. filename was jcoates-pubkey.asc if that helps.
  
...
   
 http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/
 ...
 
  I uploaded mine when I set up the account, no worries at all.
 
  I just looked, it's still there. H..

 It was a little booboo on Jack's part.  The gpg upload works fine.

When we aren't making little boo-boos we probably aren't doing anything. g

Yesterday when I cooked my friend's box I(-;

Gotta go fix it today I suppose.

Thanks.
Charlie
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Shift to the right,
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders

2003-09-23 Thread Charlie M.

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September 23, 2003 08:13 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 17:16, Vox wrote:
  On September 1993 plus 3674 days James Sparenberg wrote:
   Anytime anyone says how easy windows is I give them one of two
   assignments.  Setup networking,(win98,ME) or even more fun.  Install a
   printer that uses a print server under win2000 or XP.
 
Nah! much more fun...install a network card on NT4SP6 and get the
network working...if you chose a new enough card, they'll cry ;)
 
Vox

 Same affect with XP I'm told if you chose a 3c509 or a NE2000 *grin*

 James

This one I know for certain from bitter personal experience! 3c509 NIC and an 
onboard SIS sharing an ADSL connection with a Windows 98 SE system. In 
Mandrake it was a piece of cake, In XP I never did get it 'cause I ran out of 
patience. 

I made him leave the gateway machine running Mandrake 9.1. It wasn't as though 
he (my neighbour) was paying me for the work. g

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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders

2003-09-22 Thread Charlie M.

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September 22, 2003 12:12 pm, Vincent Danen wrote:
 On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 10:11:37AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
One side,
   
This statement by RH was made before the release of 9  9 is
in the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end
boxed sets. (those costing $100.00 US +)  the lower end boxed sets
are still on the shelves.
  
   Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James.  So they cheap boxes
   are still being produced, just not the more expensive ones.
  
   Interesting.
 
  It seems that the low end boxes move.  The high end boxes mostly get
  back routed through the channel.  (the go to the stores, they come
  back.)  It seems thought there is room for one more version a disk
  only set.  Cheaper to produce, and a lot of people (a lot not all) don't
  need / want the book.  Advantage here.  The book is, the most expensive
  part to produce.  Heck include a gift Certificate for the book through
  the mail or just put it on a documentation disk that can be read/printed
  from winders.

 Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or at least it's
 available online.

 Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to
 *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there.  The cool thing is,
 tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie.  I'm
 wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced
 in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration
 card.

YES! 

Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in Edmonton that would 
jump at that if it were available. 2 would buy from Mandrake store if they 
could, the others either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit 
cards at all.

I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders

2003-09-22 Thread Charlie M.

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September 22, 2003 01:50 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
[..]

   Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or
   at least it's available online.
  
   Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore
   that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog
   packages there.  The cool thing is, tho, that they came
   in a regular DVD case, just like a movie.  I'm wondering
   if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being
   produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD
   and your registration card.
 
  YES!
 
  Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in
  Edmonton that would jump at that if it were available. 2
  would buy from Mandrake store if they could, the others
  either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit
  cards at all.
 
  I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I.

 guys$54 check it out.

 http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_0/menu_2.phpid_art=
277LANG_=en#GOTO_277

Thanks Alan. 

I'll forward the link to the appropriate people as soon as things are updated 
to reflect 9.2. The people I'm referring to (my victims) all have 9.1 
installed and it's what got them all interested in keeping the distribution 
alive when they read about the financial difficulties.

Most had no idea that anything such as Mandrake Linux was available or 
possible before I started yammering at them, since they're all refugees from 
the Windows + OEM way of life. Now that they've been softened up I can 
(probably) convince almost all that they need to support the distribution. 

By 'probably' I mean as long as it's convenient, since the rest of their 
Mandrake experience has been. Or as much as I've been able to make it so.

Best Regards;
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders

2003-09-22 Thread Charlie M.

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September 22, 2003 07:31 pm, Vincent Danen wrote:
[..]

 Well, for us Edmonton folk, I might be able to rig something myself, but
 let's see what we can do about this the right way first.

Yes please. I didn't say that any of us (my friends and acquaintances, myself, 
other pains in the etc.(-;) were impatient, just eager.

There is a large difference after all. g

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Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else

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September 21, 2003 01:37 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 4:25 am, Michael Adams wrote:
  On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:36:47 -0700
 
  James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 13:32, Eric Huff wrote:
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEti
   quette
   
 Would a link to one of the many copies of RFC 1855 such as
 this one be relevant here? It could be quoted as a more
 thorough authority.

 HTML
 http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3

 Plain Text
 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
   
Yeah, good idea.
  
   Not to be a spoil sport but isn't this a bit much?  6 or 7 points
   and requests from my peers is sufficient to guide me.  An RFC is
   a magnet for all kinds of List Nazi action, debates on
   interpretation etc. Besides this RFC is after all a Request for
   Comment, not a law.  My comment since it was requested is, the
   document is pompous in it's pretensions and a lot more than is
   needed in this environment.  Let's not go overboard with this.
  
   james
 
  That's just the point. Rules get broken, but a mailing lists run
  smoother when they are adhered to. I reckon that if people are made
  aware of this, and then are given the opportunity to choose on a
  list by list basis how much it applies. I remember taking some
  really hard hits when i went for advice on IRC, before finding
  newbie. They didn't follow the RFC either, they just wouldn't
  listen to anything from newbies, hell just lurking to see what
  conversation there was could get you kicked.
 
  I found a really good history of RFC's one day while i was looking
  for ARPANET history. Sidetracked me for about 3 hours while i was
  absorbed in the whole thing. They came about from an excess of
  politeness where people were highly reluctant to step on the toes
  of others.

 I'm in two minds.  Personally I prefer the informal, but there are
 those who only defer to authority.  I don't mind either way.  Give it
 today to get some opinions, then I'll go with the majority.

 Anne

Hi all;

This is something that I add to all systems that I help new converts with. 
Along with subscription instructions to the appropriate mailing list and 
links to a few basic help sites. It seems to work and hasn't seemed to offend 
anyone, yet. g If any of it's useful feel free etc., I always found 
requests from someone 'known' to be much preferable to RFC documents.

The entire text of the file I park on the persons desktop (bar most of the 
links) is posted below.

C.

To all new refugees from Windows:

Your new List Mates would prefer that you; should you desire to receive help 
from any of the _volunteers_ on this, or any other MandrakeSoft sponsored 
mail list,  follow a few simple rules:

1a.) Post in plain text only, no HTML, and *never* set a Reply To: in your
e-mail client. The reasons for this have been discussed on these lists and
elsewhere ad nauseum. Since that is the case here's a link to a very good 
archive of all the messages ever posted here:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-expertr=1w=2

Please use it whenever possible since your question may have been previously 
answered.

1b.) Please don't be a hi-jacker. That is what happens when one clicks reply 
on any message to the list and changes the subject line then posts a 
question. Since the list server threads the message by ID numbers you will 
be posting the new question into an active thread. Instead post a new 
message to the mailing list with your question(s). You'll have a better 
possibility of a helpful response.

Think courtesy; you probably *do* want to be courteous to
people that are volunteering to _help you_ after all.

2.) Identify any hardware relevant to the problem, and what if any, error
messages you have seen; verbatim if possible;

3.) Identify the application you're trying to use when you try to access the 
file you want to open/play/edit, and how you launched that app;

4.) Report the result of any of the suggestions you've tried with (again) any
error messages, any warnings or anything that seems strange to you. I know
that strange is subjective but believe it or not I heard a strange whining
sound from the speakers corrected a long-standing no sound glitch for me
back in Mandrake 7.1. It didn't work or The mp3 would not play isn't
entirely helpful in diagnosing a problem. Details, details, and more details.

5.) _*Answer the questions you're asked!*_ I've seen quite a few posts
recently asking the exact same question repeatedly without an appropriate
response when anyone has tried asking for information so that they *could*
help. That won't work. If you don't know how to answer the questions ask the
list members that, someone will usually get you going.

6.) Forget anything you may have been accustomed to in Windows. In Windows if
you clicked on an MP3 file for example, the player would have been the

Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else

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September 21, 2003 11:30 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 Charlie M. schrieb am Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:48:51 -0600:

 Sorry for top-posting:

Since it's going to happen again wobo it's OK. g

 Nice text and covering nearly all aspects for a list noob.

 Just a short hint at a missing word:
  6.) Forget anything you may have been accustomed to in Windows. In
  Windows if you clicked on an MP3 file for example, the player would
  have been the Windows Media Player by default unless you forced a
  different file association. Did you know how to that when you first
  used Windows?

 Last sentence : ... how to *do* that ...

 wobo

Yeah I noticed that. I wonder why nobody in the three years I've been using 
this document has brought it to my attention. Maybe us Mandrakians are just 
all perfectionists? ;-)

Thanks.
Charlie Mahan
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Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else

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September 21, 2003 11:55 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 5:48 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
  This is something that I add to all systems that I help new
  converts with. snip

 I'll try to compare this with the existing script and see what we have
 missed.  Give me a few hours, then check and comment as necessary

 Anne

Wobo found a glitch. I expect you to do better. lmao

I'm off to de-worm another Windows machine and extole the virtues of GNU/Linux 
in general using a Knoppix disk, and Mandrake in particular with some screen 
shots. Wish me luck?

Peace;
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Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else

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September 21, 2003 03:02 pm, Dick Gevers wrote:
 Hi Charlie, Hi WoBo,

 On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:23:36 -0600, Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote about Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else:
 September 21, 2003 11:30 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
  Charlie M. schrieb am Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:48:51 -0600:
 
  Sorry for top-posting:
 
 Since it's going to happen again wobo it's OK. g

 Forgive me for disagreeing, but (look back please) WoBo wasn`t topposting.

 Cheers,
 =Dick Gevers=

Forgive what? I thought the top posting comment was part of a running gag.

I didn't really top post either, as usual it was a (sort of) interspersed 
format.

Peace;
C.
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September 21, 2003 02:28 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 11:23, Charlie M. wrote:
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  September 21, 2003 11:30 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
   Charlie M. schrieb am Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:48:51 -0600:
  
   Sorry for top-posting:
 
  Since it's going to happen again wobo it's OK. g
 
   Nice text and covering nearly all aspects for a list noob.
  
   Just a short hint at a missing word:
6.) Forget anything you may have been accustomed to in Windows. In
Windows if you clicked on an MP3 file for example, the player would
have been the Windows Media Player by default unless you forced a
different file association. Did you know how to that when you first
used Windows?
  
   Last sentence : ... how to *do* that ...
  
   wobo
 
  Yeah I noticed that. I wonder why nobody in the three years I've been
  using this document has brought it to my attention. Maybe us
  Mandrakians are just all perfectionists? ;-)
 
  Thanks.
  Charlie Mahan

 Or everyone else was just not reading the entire document.

 Charlie I agree with Wobo that it is a very friendly writing style.. I
 like.

 James

Thank you James. 

As I've said before, my only possible claim to any (useful) skill is a 
(moderate) facility with words.

Regards;
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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

2003-09-20 Thread Charlie M.

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September 20, 2003 01:06 am, James Sparenberg wrote:

Since Mandrake is heavily dependant on the community for
   development, software contributions and patches, testing and bug
   reports, makin the distro unavailable for d/l till after release
   would be impossible. Install RC2 now, update to current cooker, and
   by Monday you'll have 9.2 final. The same is possible by adding
   cooker sources to 9.1 an updating to current 9.2. Whether the iso's
   (or bittorrent) are available or not.
 
  As soon as the Final call goes out some of us will be volunteering our
  bandwidth through the bit torrent link at the qa wiki page.
 
  I still have a few niggling complaints about 9.2, but nothing I would
  term a show stopper. It's looking good. I've fresh installed cooker on
  the 4 9.1 machines I had access to over the past couple of days, also
  just finished a hard drive install and network upgrade on this one. The
  only one I had trouble with was the young fella's NForce 2 equipped
  machine, but that was expected and only needed the nvnet and other NVidia
  drivers installed.
 
  Now if they'd just put the super user mode konsole and super user mode
  file manager back on the list I'd probably be happy. If they also fixed
  the kde address book of course. ;-)
 
  Told you they were small niggles.

 Actually I'm planning on waiting a week.. Why?  Well I want to do a
 urpmi based upgrade.  Let the mirrors coold down.  follow the directions
 and see if I either

 1.  Have a working box.
 2.  Have a reason to re-install.

 I'm hoping for option 1.

 James

Hi James;

I hope you get option 1.

It's certain to be slightly less stressful waiting a week. There's always that 
Mad Rush to jump on the latest version; and even a week may be less than 
adequate to clear the backlog. 

That some of us I referred to above is the people with broadband connections 
that I've gotten commitments from for the torrent. The four I've already 
cooked in other words. :-) 3 cable including mine, and 2 1.5mbit/768mbit ADSL 
connections. It may actually help. I hope.

- From what I've seen so far from the boxes I've 'cooked'; and the postings on 
cooker from people regarding their upgrade experiences, it's looking as 
though the urpmi upgrade path will be less trouble than at any previous 
release. Most of what I had to do after the fact was cleanup.

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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

2003-09-19 Thread Charlie M.

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September 19, 2003 12:55 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Friday September 19 2003 01:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
   Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
   downloads should be available as quickly as they are at
   present. Idealogically, yes, but in terms of income, maybe not.
  
   Anne
 
  Careful here... I suggested that around the time of 9.1's pending
  release and got blasted heavily.  *grin*
 
  James

  Since Mandrake is heavily dependant on the community for
 development, software contributions and patches, testing and bug
 reports, makin the distro unavailable for d/l till after release
 would be impossible. Install RC2 now, update to current cooker, and
 by Monday you'll have 9.2 final. The same is possible by adding
 cooker sources to 9.1 an updating to current 9.2. Whether the iso's
 (or bittorrent) are available or not.

As soon as the Final call goes out some of us will be volunteering our 
bandwidth through the bit torrent link at the qa wiki page.

I still have a few niggling complaints about 9.2, but nothing I would term a 
show stopper. It's looking good. I've fresh installed cooker on the 4 9.1 
machines I had access to over the past couple of days, also just finished a 
hard drive install and network upgrade on this one. The only one I had 
trouble with was the young fella's NForce 2 equipped machine, but that was 
expected and only needed the nvnet and other NVidia drivers installed.

Now if they'd just put the super user mode konsole and super user mode file 
manager back on the list I'd probably be happy. If they also fixed the kde 
address book of course. ;-)

Told you they were small niggles.

Charlie
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Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-15 Thread Charlie M.

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September 15, 2003 03:37 pm, T. Ribbrock wrote:
whack

 I've also offered the alternative of offering ad-free products for a
 higher price than the ad-ware. If it's money Mandrake needs, this
 could be a nice alternative, IMO. Curiously, no-one ever commented on
 that. And yes, to me, this is important enough that I *would* pay a
 higher price.

 Regards,

 Thomas (who expects to get a sh*t load of mail should Mandrake ever
 decide to actually offer such a product... :-) )

Look, I really don't give a shit what anybody else does or doesn't do 
with regard to supporting or not supporting MandrakeSoft. It's 
immaterial. I do what I do and I have a clear conscience. If yours 
isn't that's your problem.

That's a generic yours BTW; each of us knows whether we have anything 
to feel guilty over and I don't want to read justifications, or have to 
keep hitting delete.

Let's just let this crap die and get on with the utilization of this 
list for what it was intended, *please!*

Thanks;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost

2003-09-14 Thread Charlie M.

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September 11, 2003 12:33 am, Charlie M. wrote:
 September 11, 2003 12:16 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
 whack
 Charlie,

what do you think the chances are the 2.6 would run on 9.1? (I
 won't even ask about Win4Lin enabling it *grin*)  I need to do some
 experiments and I need a known system to make sure that any problems
 I have are kernel related not otherwise.  Thanks.

 James

Howdy James and other 'listers;'

My son's system is now cooker current; but the 2.6test kernel on his now 
defunct 9.1 install was a PITA. Too many things for a non-guru such as 
myself to reconfigure/recompile/reinstall to be feasible at my current 
skill level.

It seems problematic even on a pure cooker install so I left him a ton 
of reading material and links to websites to go through; the same list 
I'll be perusing in my spare time to try to get something bootable 
and  running. He's also been told to subscribe to the list when he has 
anything of value to report, or questions that neither of us have the 
skills to solve. 

If a kid name Josh and calling himself 'fpsnut' (frames per second nut) 
appears, be sure to give him a hard time. He'll expect no less. g

I'll start a new thread if and when I get something workable going, or 
join one if and when.

Regards;
Charlie

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Re: [expert] Video processing box

2003-09-13 Thread Charlie M.

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September 13, 2003 12:46 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 I want to build a box whose main purpose would be video capture from
 camcorder and vhs, editing, and burning to either vcd or dvd.  All
 funds available should go into the most essential bits for that
 purpose, so I'd like some opinions, please.

Lots of disk space, lots of memory and the fastest memory you can grab. 
For video processing, audio editing and other processor intensive tasks 
I'd be inclined to use a dual processor board and reduce the speed of 
the processors. Responsiveness is everything in such an environment and 
dual processors are much more responsive when pushed. But that's just 
me and some folk around here would disagree. Where are you Tom? g

Asus is a good choice, no matter what.

 Mobo - I'm torn between Asus A7v8X-X and Soltek SL-KT400-A4C.  Specs
 are very similar.  Both have Via KT400/VT8235 chipsets.

 Asus has 8x agp and Soltek has 4x agp

8X AGP does you no good at the moment and could be a cause for grief in 
the short term, which you probably don't need at the moment. Right?

Even the 8X AGP boards I've used in assembling systems for people have 
been mostly trouble free. It depends on the Graphic Board you use.

 Asus has Realtek 6-chanel codec, which I take to mean on-board sound,
 and Soltek has 6-ch AC'97 Audio.  I've always avoided on-board audio
 in the past, disabling it and putting in a card.  Is that still worth
 the effort/expense?

Neither will disappoint you. I was always a no on-board anything guy, 
but the components are much better now. Save the money would be my 
opinion.

 Asus also offers on-board lan.  I think these have been troublesome?

 Graphics cards - since I don't do gaming I've not been into the
 latest thing in video cards, so I don't know what is significant and
 what is hype.  I'm looking at 128MB XFX Geforce4 MX44- or FX5200.  I
 could go higher if there's a real advantage.  Any thoughts?

What advantage? Your choices here seem reasonable to me. I'd be inclined 
to go with the MX440, or a mid range ATI.

 Any comments about anything I haven't mentioned that is significant
 in this scenario?

 Anne

Last comment? Ignore me. :-)

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread Charlie M.

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September 13, 2003 05:35 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
 On Saturday 13 September 2003 01:36 am, Charlie M. wrote:
  Take it one step further, Porsche, Ferrari, or whichever French car
  manufacturer is running the World Rally Championship, Formula 1,
  etc could by screen saver space from Mandrake Linux and tie all
  there ads together such as:
 
 
  Charlie

 Do you really think that this crowd would be an attractive target for
 Porsche, Ferrari, et al? Top end here is probably for mint Yugos, '83
 Valiants and '92 Regals with minimal collision damage.
 -- cmg
g It was just a top of the head example. I never said I was serious 
about the partners but I was serious about expanding on James' idea.

I don't have to worry about such hot-rods, not even a Yugo or Lada since 
1993. When you have epilepsy you don't have licenses to operate 
transportation devices any longer. All that money for flying 
lessonsgone!

Oh well; I can still surf. ;-)

C.
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Re: [expert] md5sum

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September 11, 2003 11:39 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
  Back in version 8 and 9 I had the exact same problem! It is the
  mirror you are using! I don't know why mirror sites continually get
  bad images, but it is true. Try an rsync to another site.

 So, does rsync help when it is all one file?

I've always found that it does. I'm an impatient old fart so I'd rather 
run rsync for 20 to 45 minutes per disk than 4 or 5 times as long. :-)

However it only helps if you already have a very ISO to begin with. For 
the Mandrake 9.2 RC2 ISOs I actually used old beta2 images and renamed 
them. If you were doing Red Hat you'd use older Red Hat images, Knoppix 
3.1 renamed 3.2, and so on. Otherwise you probably won't gain anything 
since there would be far too much difference between the renamed file 
and the actual ISO you wanted. Not enough similarity to gain much on 
the download via ftp versus rsync I mean.

To Lorne; I can't see the mirror being the problem, it's the one I sync 
my local cooker tree from. Sometimes I have a major slow down and a few 
times the connection seems to have dropped totally but it's fairly 
reliable. If Gary was getting incorrect md5sums from the downloads 
something else was likely the problem. I've used that exact method for 
two years now and had a hell of a lot less trouble than any other way.

Regards;
Charlie
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September 12, 2003 12:20 am, Charlie M. wrote:

Ignore the typos gang. I'm still about 5 days minus on horizontal time 
this week. :-)

Therefore I'm stuck on stupid lately. Not permanent I hope.

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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

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September 12, 2003 01:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
 Ya'll read... Ya'll decide.

 Conversation is on pclinux.  probably best to keep it there.

 http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising

 http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702

 For the discussion please go to the second link...

 James

6to5 and pick 'em from what I've seen of that and other discussions. 

It bothers me not what they do as long as it keeps the company going. 
I'll keep buying releases, testing cooker at every opportunity, and 
advocate my ass off. I can ignore advertisements; as I do during the 
little time I have to watch the tube. As long as they don't become 
intrusive or start mining for personal data I couldn't care less.

If they try that I'm outta here so fast I'll leave a fscking sonic boom.

Charlie
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

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September 12, 2003 11:41 am, David Rankin wrote:
 Good bye Mandrake

 I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's
 reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath.

Mr. Rankin;

I do believe you're making a fairly broad assumption there David, on 
little or no evidence. In fact I openly stated that I don't care what 
they do to *survive,* as long as it doesn't become intrusive. If that 
happens I won't wait to say goodbye; I'll be history and thanks for the 
memories. So I would appreciate enormously you not trying to speak for 
100% of Mandrake users. OK? 

You don't know what 100% of Mandrake users are thinking. If you claim to 
you must have political aspirations, or are possibly considering a 
career in the clergy, since to the best of my knowledge they are the 
only individuals that make such sweeping statements and broad 
assumptions just to get their faces Out There. 

On Faith in other words. So please try not to claim any form of 
poetic license since that's just a polite word for bullshit.

I've also seen posts from some others that lead me to believe that they 
too would wait to see what happens. If we're running a distribution of 
GNU/Linux, and we are; and if we're advocating GNU/Linux to friends, 
family, and business associates, and it seems we all are, then why the 
Hell are we complaining if a survival mechanism for the distribution we 
all seem to treasure is instituted so that we can keep working with it 
and the company responsible for it? 

If none of us gave a shit we wouldn't be complaining so vociferously, 
now would we?

My own personal mantra doesn't include whining about the way the world 
is. I'd rather devote my energies to making certain my own little 
corner of the real world improves. For everyone.

For the people that are willing to listen to me around these parts, that 
improvement includes, and will continue to include for the foreseeable 
future, Mandrake Linux. If the management of MandrakeSoft have to take 
drastic steps to insure their corporate survival it must mean they 
want that as well.

I'll say it once more for those that didn't get it yet;

As long as whatever the 'Powers That Be' in MandrakeSoft Management do 
doesn't intrude on me, or those that I advocate the distribution to, 
I'll back them the way I always have. If it does, _boom!_ I'm gone. Not 
an ultimatum, a fact. A very *personal fact;* that means nothing in the 
greater scheme of things.

Clear enough?

Kind Regards;
Charlie Mahan
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

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September 12, 2003 12:51 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:

  Mr. Rankin;
 
  I do believe you're making a fairly broad assumption there David,
  on little or no evidence. In fact I openly stated that I don't care
  what they do to *survive,* as long as it doesn't become intrusive.
  If that happens I won't wait to say goodbye; I'll be history and
  thanks for the memories. So I would appreciate enormously you not
  trying to speak for 100% of Mandrake users. OK?
 
  You don't know what 100% of Mandrake users are thinking. If you
  claim to you must have political aspirations, or are possibly
  considering a career in the clergy, since to the best of my
  knowledge they are the only individuals that make such sweeping
  statements and broad assumptions just to get their faces Out
  There.
 
  On Faith in other words. So please try not to claim any form of
  poetic license since that's just a polite word for bullshit.
 
  I've also seen posts from some others that lead me to believe that
  they too would wait to see what happens. If we're running a
  distribution of GNU/Linux, and we are; and if we're advocating
  GNU/Linux to friends, family, and business associates, and it seems
  we all are, then why the Hell are we complaining if a survival
  mechanism for the distribution we all seem to treasure is
  instituted so that we can keep working with it and the company
  responsible for it?
 
  If none of us gave a shit we wouldn't be complaining so
  vociferously, now would we?
 
  My own personal mantra doesn't include whining about the way the
  world is. I'd rather devote my energies to making certain my own
  little corner of the real world improves. For everyone.
 
  For the people that are willing to listen to me around these parts,
  that improvement includes, and will continue to include for the
  foreseeable future, Mandrake Linux. If the management of
  MandrakeSoft have to take drastic steps to insure their corporate
  survival it must mean they want that as well.
 
  I'll say it once more for those that didn't get it yet;
 
  As long as whatever the 'Powers That Be' in MandrakeSoft Management
  do doesn't intrude on me, or those that I advocate the distribution
  to, I'll back them the way I always have. If it does, _boom!_ I'm
  gone. Not an ultimatum, a fact. A very *personal fact;* that means
  nothing in the greater scheme of things.
 
  Clear enough?

 Actually,  You must also consider that you are making a contextual
 assumption.  That assumption is that what you believe him to be
 talking about is in fact what he's referring to.  His statement is,
 accurate. Now as to what it is that 100% of it's users loath.  He
 hasn't specified.  You have assumed.  He didn't specify.  So
 personally I didn't feel he was making any statement with which I
 find fault.  He's right ... if 100% (or statistically close to 100%
 since nothing of man, is ever absolute.) of the users loath it.  It
 will kill it.  If however it isn't something that 100% loath but a
 large enough group do loath it also will kill, or cripple it.  (Case
 in point, the Edsel, one vehicle line out of 20 offered that year,
 that nearly bankrupted Ford.)

Bullshit James. 100% is 100% all the time every time and I don't fit the 
profile. So I'm making no assumptions here. I'm stating unequivocally 
the simple fact that nobody but me has the right to speak for me. In 
any way.

In other words that IF (yours) is an awfully big word and I want to 
know what If means. ;)

DR
Good bye Mandrake

I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's 
reputation
than to add to it what 100% of its user loath.

under the subject line:

DR
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
borrowed from you BTW.

Still no assumption except for David's that he knows what 100% of it's 
users loath. What is it's? Nobody here has been talking to me about 
what I think. Nor has anyone endeavoured to read my mind.

 You yourself, have given over a scenario that might qualify as part
 of the 100% loath factor.  When the adds intrude upon what you want
 to do. Say for example ... data mining.  Personally I put the adds in
 place of screensavers (look into cooker you'll see that 9.2 has no
 screensavers other than xscreensaver in the main.  This means that
 the adds are for Gnome and KDE the only available screensaver.) On
 the order of zeroconf, galaxy and mdkkdm.  Unwanted intrusions that
 fall under the first order of removal and only serve to make Mandrake
 installs look more complicated than they really are.

Ah yes, I'll concede that point. To a degree, because the assumption 
*you* are making is that I would loath some undefined thing. All I 
said is that I would choose not to tolerate that behaviour, not that my 
fondness would turn to loathing. The difference is that I'm assuming 
that the choice is mine and that nobody has decided for me.

Like any other entity in Nature; MandrakeSoft has to

Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

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September 12, 2003 01:56 pm, David Rankin wrote:

edited, interspersed
 I appreciate your response, and perhaps I was presumtive in my 100%
 suggestion. I do see your point. So why don't we all just declare the
 clean elegance of linux code and distributions dead. Let's all say
 Hey, it's OK to start down the path of code bloat and incideous
 little processes running in the background to direct spam to my
 machine. Say yes, I like the idea of pop-ups and spyware polluting
 my browser and desktop. And say yes to all the inconvenience just so
 someone can put another almighty dollar in thier pocket.

 Get real!

OK I will. Nobody has suggested there would be any data mining and 
automatic update and rotation of advertising related backgrounds/screen 
saver slide shows. I'd agree totally that I would be one of the first 
off the bus if this were to happen. But I didn't read those assumptions 
into that page.

As to the Clean elegance of linux code.. and it's death; default 
screen-saver slide-shows and backgrounds are added at the whim of the 
distributions' developers and management under the GPL. 

What code corruption are we discussing? The kernel is GNU/Linux, 
Mandrake Linux is a distribution. I don't think any of the employees 
and management at MandrakeSoft are threatening to force you to run only 
their advertising branded .png files, or that you can't run the 
distribution on a compiled and customized vanilla kernel, do you? So 
what linux code are we on about?

 Many people look to linux to get away for just this type of annoying
 BS. Yes, I like and support mandrake. But I am UTTERLY APPAULED at
 the premise and idea of including incestuos slutty advertising in the
 mdk distribution. Mdk was a great distro long before the
 corporatization and focus on $ became its fixation. In my eyes, and
 I will say in the eyes of many others, the inclusion of unwanted
 and unsolicited ads, in any form, no matter how easily removed is
 unacceptable that will make mdk a distribution I would no longer
 choose to be a part of or support.

I'm one of the people that came to GNU/Linux in general, and Mandrake 
Linux in specific, in order to regain control of what I paid for. That 
hasn't changed, and until it does I'll keep advocating and using this 
distribution.

This is still a great distribution IMHO and a few fscking pictures 
aren't going to change that. That's my opinion, no one else has to 
agree. 

That's one of the most wonderful things about Open Source Software and 
the community built on it. Choice. Would you prefer Mandrake Linux 
become another SuSe and have no download edition? Or would you like to 
only be able to run it because you bought a subscription? Mandrake 
Linux is still a totally GPL compliant distribution as far as I can 
see, and will be after they add some detestable advertising pictures 
that I can delete. So can you.

 Hooray for the marketing scum, they have finally found a way to
 pollute a linux distribution. I guess someone will get a nice fat
 check for that idea.

I still detest the product of Schools of Business and the Masters of 
Business Administration they've been producing for the past 25+ years. 
If they'd stop playing with models and get on with business there would 
be a lot less rancorous discussions such as this one in the world.

Especially over _free software_. So I suppose your sarcasm and cynosure 
toward marketing departments is another thing we share. 

As well as a good debate apparently. g Thanks David. g

Regards;
Charlie
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September 12, 2003 02:14 pm, ed tharp wrote:
  Thanks for the debate James. This is fun. :-)
 
  Maybe I should get back to work?

 or take it to the OT listg
 http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot

Thanks for the reference ET but I vowed never to return to that list. 
Besides this is only slightly OT iMHO.

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September 12, 2003 02:49 pm, Vincent Danen wrote:
 On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many
users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed.
  
   And how do you imagine they'll notice that?
 
  Data Mining,  Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on
  the number of impressions seen by this box including install
  impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing
  habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users
  habits.  (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the
  mix.)

 What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever
 stoop to something like this?

 We do have principles you know.

Thank you Vincent, I thought I was fighting alone here. :-)

Not fighting really, but it has been a rather lively discussion.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

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September 12, 2003 03:07 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Fri, 12 Sep 2003

 14:56:30 -0600:
  What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever
  stoop to something like this?
 
  We do have principles you know.
 
 Thank you Vincent, I thought I was fighting alone here. :-)

 Have you read my point right at the beginning of this thread? I said
 all there is to say if you think a bit about what Mandrake has done
 over the last 5 years (Mandrake Linux had 5th birthday!) and what
 they could have done if they were such [fill in to your delight].

 I've nothing against this way of making some extra revenue.

 wobo

I also. Me too. I'm in! g

Yeah, I read your comments, but sympa's been playing hide the posts 
again. So I read them much later than I should have.

Thanks.
Charlie
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

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September 12, 2003 03:12 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Friday 12 September 2003 23:07, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
  I've nothing against this way of making some extra revenue.

 OK, so let's start a new thread on Mandrake undercutting ad-prices
 and selling itself (and thus us) too cheap;o)

 ..ducking and running ...
 Good luck,
 HarM

 BTW Charlie, when don't you work?

When I start doing the migraine dance and can't step away from the 
porcelain receiver. g

Besides what I do is Officially a hobby.

No need to duck 'n' dash, I won't throw rocks. ;-)

C.

P.S.:
Since this is such a short post I was going to edit out the fortune 
tacked on below. Then I read it and said nope!
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Youth is not a time of life, it is a state of mind; it is a temper of
the will, a quality of the imagination, a vigour of the emotions, a 
predominance of courage over timidity, of the appetite for adventure 
over love of ease.
Nobody grows old by merely living a number of years; people grow
old only by deserting their ideals.  Years wrinkle the skin, but to give 
up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.  Worry, doubt, self-distrust, fear, 
and despair -- these are the long, long years that bow the head and 
turn the growing spirit back to dust.
Whether seventy or sixteen, there is in every being's heart the love
of wonder, the sweet amazement at the stars and the star like things and
thoughts, the undaunted challenge of events, the unfailing childlike 
appetite for what next, and the joy and the game of life.
You are as young as your faith, as old as your doubt; as young as your
self-confidence, as old as your fear, as young as your hope, as old as 
your despair.
So long as your heart receives messages of beauty, cheer, courage,
grandeur and power from the earth, from man, and from the Infinite, so 
long you are young.
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

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September 12, 2003 11:09 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
 Ok,  A thought here.  In an effort to be constructive.  How many
 times have you seen on say Automobile company sites something like
 Volkswagen or Toyota, screensavers you can download?  Linux has never
 been ripe with high quality screensavers.  They either are
 beautiful CPU suckers like some of the openGL ones (keuphoria for
 example) or butt ugly ones like juggle.  What if Mandrake sold
 space on the disk for these companies to create Linux screensavers.
  I mean a full blown screensaver.  Not just a random picture collage.
  One thing a lot of these are designed to be is beautiful.  (on
 windows or MAC) We win.  MDK wins and the companies win.  Then the
 user can choose which advertising screen saver they want.  It doesn't
 feel intrusive like popunders or the read this page or you can't go
 on crap.  But it is an add.  I mean heck.  The new IBM add for Linux
 would make a great screensaver.  And if the user chooses it, they
 can't complain.  I mean heck I'd chose a screensaver from Chrysler
 based on the new Crossfire.  Or maybe one from Lancome featuring some
 stunningly beautiful faces wearing their makeup. They pay MDK for the
 right to be in the distro, They pay MDK for the help in creating the
 screensavers. (MDK could subcontract that part.) They get a longer
 and more valuable impression level.  Heck they could even have the
 new ones as downloads in update and send the companies feedback as to
 the number of downloads.  That's not intrusive, nor does it invade
 privacy.  They could be targeted.  With screensavers marked de ca, en
 tw etc., so people get what they want.  What do ya'll think?  The
 only thing they would have to be is quiet.  (think business office or
 even worse a real quiet house when suddenly the screensaver kicks in
 on box 2 and you forgot to turn down the sound after listening to the
 latest mp3 from NIN.)  I mean if it's here.  It's real.  It's not
 going away.  So why not benefit from it completely?

 James

I think it's definite improvement over the few other suggestions I've 
read James. It actually *is* constructive.

Take it one step further, Porsche, Ferrari, or whichever French car 
manufacturer is running the World Rally Championship, Formula 1, etc 
could by screen saver space from Mandrake Linux and tie all there ads 
together such as:

(VO, TV Spot; still shots or video of the latest and greatest from 
whichever corporation in an attractive, exiting setting)

Our technology (or product etc) turns up in all the right places. 
(examples from still or video images); including one of the World's 
most advanced computer operating systems.

(Corporation name and logo) and Mandrake Linux, partners in helping ease 
your journey into the future.

Just off the top of my head, I ain't an advertising maven. But you get 
the idea. Use the same images for the screen saver with the same 
captions in an attractive font.

It's an idea anyway

Charlie
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Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost

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September 11, 2003 12:16 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
whack

 Charlie,

what do you think the chances are the 2.6 would run on 9.1? (I
 won't even ask about Win4Lin enabling it *grin*)  I need to do some
 experiments and I need a known system to make sure that any problems
 I have are kernel related not otherwise.  Thanks.

 James

Hi James;

I think you'll have to build it, but I also think you should have no 
more than the usual teething problems. 

It might be advisable to wait for a couple of further test versions 
before leaping, just because things are still moving fairly quickly 
around the cook pot. :-) There aren't many modules built in yet from 
what I've read, the test4.4 is supposed to be a lot more polished. The 
test revisions have been coming at a week apart. Or less. 

We shall see.

Tell ya what James, I'm gonna stuff a version of the latest 2.6 onto my 
kid's hot rod tomorrow and see what I can blow up. He's dual booting 
9.1 with X(treme)P(rejudice) and if I kill it I can always tell him he 
should run Windows anyway. That oughta tick him off. g

I'll let you know how big the boom was

Charlie
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A manager was about to be fired, but a programmer who worked for him
invented a new program that became popular and sold well.  As a result, 
the manager retained his job.

The manager tried to give the programmer a bonus, but the programmer
refused it, saying, I wrote the program because I though it was an 
interesting concept, and thus I expect no reward.

The manager, upon hearing this, remarked, This programmer, though he
holds a position of small esteem, understands well the proper duty of an
employee.  Lets promote him to the exalted position of management 
consultant!

But when told this, the programmer once more refused, saying, I exist
so that I can program.  If I were promoted, I would do nothing but waste
everyone's time.  Can I go now?  I have a program that I'm working on.
-- Geoffrey James, The Tao of Programming
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Re: [expert] md5sum

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September 11, 2003 12:39 pm, Gary Montalbine wrote:
 I downloaded 9.2rc2 ISO's into a directory. Downloaded the file
 9.2rc2.md5sums.asc
 into the same directory. Tried to do a md5sum --status. Didn't work.
 Tried md5sum --check. Didn't work. md5sum with each rc2 CD gives me a
 letter/number combination. However I have nothing to check it
 against. I think my problem is that I do not know what to do with the
 9.2rc2.md5sums.asc file. How do you open it or use it? I remember
 that when I did the 9.1 ISO's a simple md5sum command checked all
 three CD's at once. What am I missing? I have read the md5sum help
 and info files.

 Thaks,
 Gary

Try this Gary;

Open a terminal, navigate to the directory where the ISOs and .asc file 
are. At the command prompt type this:

md5sum -c 9.2rc2.md5sums.asc enter

You won't see much until it's done a disk but the processor will 
grunt. A LOT. g

HTH

Charlie
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How often I found where I should be going only by setting out for 
somewhere else.
-- R. Buckminster Fuller
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Re: [expert] md5sum

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September 11, 2003 01:15 pm, Gary Montalbine wrote:
  Try this Gary;
 
  Open a terminal, navigate to the directory where the ISOs and .asc
  file are. At the command prompt type this:
 
  md5sum -c 9.2rc2.md5sums.asc enter
 
  You won't see much until it's done a disk but the processor will
  grunt. A LOT. g
 
  HTH
 
  Charlie
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 It worked. Except two out of the three CD's were bad. Maybe I can
 learn how to use resync now.

 Thanks,
 Gary

Is it the disks or is it a left over from a bad .asc file that Warly 
planted on us by accident the first night we started running bit 
torrent to ease the mirror log-jam? 

If it's the disks just run rsync as you say. If it's the .asc file try 
one from a different mirror. They should all have caught up by now 
but.

I posted a link (yesterday? the day before? last week? too often? ;-) 
to Greg Meyer's page that will teach you how, plus I and others have 
posted examples recently. 

It ain't a hard thing to do Gary. :-) Here's another example, just fill 
in the blanks, be sure you have write permissions in that directory or 
that you run it as super user, then hit enter. eg..:

rsync -Pv --stats --progress
ftp.sunet.se::Mandrake-iso/i586/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD#.i586.iso 
/targetdirectory/diskname and number

Hint: after you enter the information to the point that you're in the 
target directory in the command above, just hit the Tab button to 
use auto-complete. Saves wear and tear on keyboards. 

And fingers. g

HTH
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there is a man either running or walking in front of it waving a red
flag to warn approaching motorists and pedestrians.
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Re: [expert] Failed downloads of RC2

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September 9, 2003 11:52 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Wednesday 10 September 2003 02:56, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 HarM, post the link you posted to the 'other' list ;)

 Here it is:

 http://people.zeelandnet.nl/triade/grounding.html

 have fun:o)

You pulled a Charlie! LMAO Looks as though you drive about as well as I 
would.

Boat huh? I suppose if it ain't the size of a super carrier it's a 
freakin' dingy to you old salts?

I'll pass, I'm a Red Mountain boy by ancestry and temperament, there's 
not much call for flotation devices in the desert.

 No damn boat, pretty good size ship! Maybe you could contract
  some dredging as an affiliate venture?

 How about a nice old fashioned tug with a big chimney?

  --
  Tom Brinkman

 Good luck,
 HarM

Peace;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] Failed downloads of RC2 (sorry, length)

2003-09-10 Thread Charlie M.

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September 10, 2003 02:29 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
  *** James Sparenberg Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:31:54 -0700 :
  I've had luck using gftp to restart a download that Moz had
  aborted. when I started the download if found the original and
  asked what I wanted to do with resume as the recommended option.

 Same here! You saved my day! Now I'm trying to kick my own butt
 because I already removed the other files. :(

 And of course I'll use Brant's advice to use rsync!

 This was a good learning experience how one gets careless by having
 more than sufficient ressources!

 wobo
Howdy;

Lowest possible bandwidth required methods for staying current.

For anyone having bandwidth limitation problems that wants to keep 
current, there are a few ways to do it. One is the easy way; use urpmi, 
make your software management sources using the Mandrake-devel tree 
from whatever server works best for you, and before anything else 
update urpmi. If there's an update you'll get it, then you can use 
Tom's;

urpmi.update -a -f --wget  urpmi --wget --no-verify-rpm 
- --auto-select -v

to get everything at once. Of course this works best logged in at the 
console as super user with no X running. It's boring, but baby it's a 
hell of a lot faster, and less problematic, than trying to upgrade GUI 
apps while you're running them.

Alternatively if you have downloaded the ISOs for any recent Mandrake 
release _don't delete them once you've burned the disks._ When a new 
release is called all you have to do is rename the ISOs to the new 
release and rsync will take care of making them actual copies of what 
the servers hold.

This example was saved from my synchronization of Mandrake 9.0 ISOs 
renamed to 9.2 beta2. Disk 1 shown:

[...root]# rsync -avrt --progress --delete 
ftp.uninett.no::Mandrake/Mandrake-iso/i586/MandrakeLinux-9.2beta1-CD1.i586.iso 
/store/MandrakeISO/MandrakeLinux-9.2beta1-CD1.i586.iso
 Welcome to the FTP archive at The University of Oslo
 

  This archive is running on a GNU/Linux PC with 1.7 TB of diskspace.

  Machine and diskspace provided by UiO.  Uninett provides the
  gigabit network connectivity.

  Please use the alias ftp.uninett.no instead of other, old, aliases
  or the hosts real DNS-name.

receiving file list ...
1 file to consider
/store/MandrakeISO/MandrakeLinux-9.2beta1-CD1.i586.iso
   682575872 100%  146.86kB/s1:15:38
wrote 249968 bytes  read 620523546 bytes  135407.03 bytes/sec
total size is 682575872  speedup is 1.10

The important part is the line that displays how much was actually read 
and written. All bits in the image have to be read at both ends for 
comparison, but the actual transfer is just the difference between the 
two. No need to mount the ISOs loop-back either. Just do it. I'd say 
249,968 bytes is far preferable to the entire ISO image of 682,575,872 
bytes, wouldn't you? Thought so. :-)

Of course for anyone with tons of disk space (me) and/or a broadband 
connection (also me ;-) there are other alternatives. You can have a 
local copy of the Mandrake-devel tree and use a hard drive install 
image to make a boot floppy to upgrade or do a complete install. Or 
you can do the same with a network image and install directly from the 
mirror or any other server you can access that holds the files needed. 
If you don't want to use a floppy, or don't have one, you can make a 
bootable CD by following the instructions on the Cooker TWiki, or add 
them to lilo as boot options, same how-To source:

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo

and the link to the actual article:

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#From_a_Local_Mirror

There are links from there to other tutorials including, Greg Meyer's 
how-to on rsyncing ISOs.

I'm sure one of the gurus will come by and let you know whatever I 
screwed up in this post. I hope they will anyway, I'm still 2 days 
behind with stuff I'm *supposed* to be doing. lol

Have fun people. g

Regards;
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Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost

2003-09-10 Thread Charlie M.

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September 10, 2003 03:49 pm, Molotov wrote:
 Hello list

 Sorry if I'm disturbing you with an already-solved problem. This is
 about 3D acceleration support with mdk 9.1 and a GeForce 4 MX 440.

 In fact, I wanted to try at first the Medal of Honor linux beta
 client, and got an awfully slow rendering speed with missing
 textures. I then remembered that after upgrading to 9.1 I never
 installed the Nvidia drivers.
 I tried it, but, damned !, it wasn't as easy... I did it succesfully
 before with the kernel  glx modules, but with the new .run system
 I'm lost.
 I'm using 9.1, and I did not compile my own kernel. So my system
 should be quite standard for Nvidia... I downloaded the latest .run
 archive and ran it.
 It doesn't work, and after trying different settings, the fact is
 that starting X with the 'Driver nvidia' setting in
 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 leads me to some kind of kernel panic:
 CTRL-ALT-SUP not working, Verr Num and Caps Lock keyboard leds not
 responding.
 It's late, I'm tired and my english is as bad as my brain for now,
 but any clue, advice or good direction would be very welcomed.
 It may be a newbie question, sorry... I'm more experienced with
 networking than in X configuration ;-)

 Regards, anybody

 François

If you ran the NVidia installer while running X you'll have trouble. If 
you ran it as user you'll have trouble. If you install a new kernel 
after running it you have to run it against the running (new usually) 
kernel for it to actually work.

The last time I had to help someone with this was a system I assembled 
for a friend. Dual AMD MP 2000+, 1024 MB DDR-RAM and an MSI G-Force 4 
MX 440 128 MB graphics card. The NVidia installer complained about 
finding no kernel module or some such, I allowed it to build one. 
Edited the XF86config4 file to use the nvidia drivers instead of the 
default nv and it was good to go.

There's one little gotcha in all of the above though. You have to 
install the kernel source for the kernel you're running *first!* That 
should take care of that. Whenever you upgrade the kernel install the 
source for the new one, boot the new kernel in run-level 3  (console) 
and run the NVidia run file again. You can then edit lilo to start in 
graphical mode again.

It should always work that way.

HTH
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Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost

2003-09-10 Thread Charlie M.

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September 10, 2003 08:24 pm, J.C. Woods wrote:


 To the original poster, François, and to Charlie. There is a lot of
 confusion about using the Geforce4 MX 440 in Mandrake or, for that
 mattter, any other Liunx OS using the 2.4.x kernel. I have posted
 about this issue more than once but here it goes again. If your
 Geforce4 MX 440, or any other video board, i.e. Radeon, is using AGP
 8X then you are  using AGP  3.0, and are no longer using AGP 2.0. AGP
 3.0  is *NOT* supported in any 2.4.x kernel that I know of. There are
 some patches out there but most of these are made to support 8X
 Radeon cards (and are buggy at best). I have the Geforce4 MX 440 8X,
 and I was able to compile the Nvidia drivers, and I did get them to
 load but AGPGART would not work for the reasons outlined above. I had
 graphics but color rendering was for shit. It seems the only solution
 to 8X AGP 3.0 support is to wait for kernel 2.5. (at least, I hear it
 will support this newer AGP version). The pivotal point is are you
 trying to load modules for 8X AGP 3.0?

 Does anyone know the final kernel version in LMDK9.2? Now does the
 foregoing elucidate or obfuscate this issue even more?

 drjung

Hiya Doc;

I know what you're saying but the point was moot for the guy I put the 
system together for, and for me. He just wanted clear, he's not much of 
a gamer so anything more than clear graphics was a side issue. The only 
reason the box actually has the card in it that it does was simple 
economics. A regular budget card was, at the time I picked up the 
components for his new toy, less than $7 cheaper. Some kind of a 
promotional 'special offer' a local retailer was running, $87 (prices 
are Canadian, which has no relationship to real money) for the MSI he 
has versus $81 for the next least expensive.

I appreciate the explanation and the information but for me; and for the 
friend I built the box for, the latest super frame rate hot-rod video 
card, 8X AGP or not, or hypertrophied discombobulated whizzbang 
whats-its, were less important than the system's performance overall. 
Colour was fine, graphics are clear. It wasn't, and isn't, even trying 
to run at AGP 8X, the board it's on doesn't even support that to the 
best of my knowledge, so the card defaults to legacy mode. AGP 2 I 
mean. I've assembled three very similar systems for different people 
using almost identical components, and nobody has complained at all. 
That's all I care about.

My 18 year old son and his Radeon 9700 Pro on an NVidia2 chipset 
motherboard on the other hand.g

The kernel for 9.2 will be a version of the 2.4.22 series. The latest is 
shown in my signature. 

The 2.6 is available in contribs already, and the one I'm looking at 
right now is 2.6.0-0test.4.4mdk. The latest I suppose. I'll be 
installing it in a bit so I'll have a better idea what it's like.

Best Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] keeping 9.2 rc1 current

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September 9, 2003 01:09 am, Felix Miata wrote:
whack

 I rsync'd
 ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586
/

  Then put ../base/hdlist.cz as the path for the hdlist.

 Did that. Didn't work. Also unsuccessfully tried ../base/hdlists and
 ../base.

The command I used to first rsync with the same mirror; lifted from 
/root/.bash_history:

rsync -avrt --progress --delete --exclude alpha/ --exclude amd64/ 
- --exclude ia64/ --exclude others/ --exclude SRPMS --exclude jpackage 
- --exclude ppc/ --exclude unsupported/ ftp.sunet.se::Mandrake-devel/ 
/store/Mandrake-devel/

When I say I mirror I actually mean only the relevant parts and I don't 
need any of the excluded stuff. Yet. 

You can make an exclude list to use, rather than individually typing all 
of the directories you don't want but as I wrote, I used this one for 
the first rsync 'cause I'd never done it before.

HTH

Charlie
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Re: [expert] keeping 9.2 rc1 current

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September 9, 2003 01:28 am, Felix Miata wrote:
 Charlie M. wrote:
  The command I used to first rsync with the same mirror; lifted from
  /root/.bash_history:
 
  rsync -avrt --progress --delete --exclude alpha/ --exclude amd64/
  - --exclude ia64/ --exclude others/ --exclude SRPMS --exclude
  jpackage - --exclude ppc/ --exclude unsupported/
  ftp.sunet.se::Mandrake-devel/ /store/Mandrake-devel/
 
  When I say I mirror I actually mean only the relevant parts and I
  don't need any of the excluded stuff. Yet.
 
  You can make an exclude list to use, rather than individually
  typing all of the directories you don't want but as I wrote, I used
  this one for the first rsync 'cause I'd never done it before.

 I use this file:
 http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/rsync-plus/rsync_exclude

 and this script:
 /usr/bin/rsync -av --delete --exclude-from=rsync_exclude
 ftp.sunet.se::Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/ /mnt/mandrake/cooker | tee
 -a cooker.log

Hmmm... The rsync exclude looks like what I use now, but I can't tell 
from looking at it whether the script you use pulls the contrib 
directory. Other than the stuff I showed as excluded my 
/store/Mandrake-devel directory locally is identical to what's on 
sunet.se and uninett.no. Cooker and contrib are rsynced in one pass.

The command I used to add the local tree to the software manager 
probably won't help figure this out, but likely won't hurt either. ;)

cooker
urpmi.addmedia localcooker 
file://store/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with 
../base/hdlist.cz

contrib
urpmi.addmedia localcontrib file://store/contrib/i586/ with 
../../cooker/i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz

It worked as expected here.

Charlie
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Re: [expert] Failed downloads of RC2

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September 9, 2003 12:00 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 Hi,

 I just tried 3 times to d'l the first ISO of RC2. First I used the
 browser (Mozilla) with a German mirror (ftp.vat.tu-dresden.de). The
 download stopped at 50KB left(!) and tiemd out. Trying to resume
 failed because the browser told me that the files are identical.
 md5sum check failed!

 Then I used pure ftp, opened a US server (mirrors.usc.edu) and failed
 again with the same behaviour!

 Then I used ncftp (my normal ftp app) and failed again! Each time
 with just 50KB left and ncftp tells me that the local file appears
 to be the same as the remote file, no transfer necessary.

 And, yes, I switched explicitely to binary transfer!

 Wasted 2.5 hours and 1.8GB of my 5GB-limit! Arrgh!

 wobo

Howdy;

Have you a set of ISOs from the last release still? If so you can rename 
them and rsync them with the mirror of your choice to save at least 
some bandwidth.

Greg Meyer did a mini tutorial on doing that. A link can be found on 
the cooker TWiki, or at his page:

http://cybercfo.gkmweb.com/rsync-mandrakeiso.html

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux

If not; and it seems the connections everywhere are dragging along like 
molasses in January, you may want to try the bit torrent. I'm feeding 
it back up from here at roughly 60 kilobytes per second from the set I 
rsynced from sunet.se last night. Md5sums checked, clean downloads.

The main torrent page for triggering the download from a browser:

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2.torrent

or open a terminal in the directory you want the ISOs in and use this:

btdownloadcurses.py --url
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2.torrent
- --saveas MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2

I hope you can grab them one way or another without too much more 
trouble.

If you use the torrent please leave it running for a while after 
completion to ease the traffic jam on the mirrors? I'll leave mine up 
for probably another 12 hours or so.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] Failed downloads of RC2

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September 9, 2003 01:55 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Tuesday 09 September 2003 20:48, Charlie M. wrote:
  Howdy;
 
  Have you a set of ISOs from the last release still? If so you can
  rename them and rsync them with the mirror of your choice to save
  at least some bandwidth.
 
  Greg Meyer did a mini tutorial on doing that. A link can be found
  on the cooker TWiki, or at his page:
 
  http://cybercfo.gkmweb.com/rsync-mandrakeiso.html
 
  http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux
 
  If not; and it seems the connections everywhere are dragging along
  like molasses in January, you may want to try the bit torrent. I'm
  feeding it back up from here at roughly 60 kilobytes per second
  from the set I rsynced from sunet.se last night. Md5sums checked,
  clean downloads.
 
  The main torrent page for triggering the download from a browser:
 
  http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2.torrent
 
  or open a terminal in the directory you want the ISOs in and use
  this:
 
  btdownloadcurses.py --url
  http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2.torrent
  - --saveas MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2
 
  I hope you can grab them one way or another without too much more
  trouble.
 
  If you use the torrent please leave it running for a while after
  completion to ease the traffic jam on the mirrors? I'll leave mine
  up for probably another 12 hours or so.
 
  Regards;
  Charlie

 Charlie,

 You're lucky Anne is just looking away or she'd be asking you to put
 this up on the wiki:o)

 Good luck,
 HarM

Don't give her any ideas HarM!

She'll probably be nice to me 'cause she knows I haven't slept in about 
65 or 66 hours. It's been one of those weeks, and it's only Tuesday. 

I think

'Course if I do it again she'll probably have me flogged around the 
square or something. g

You can copy and paste anything that may be of any use to the Community 
TWiki, can't you Anne? 

Pretty please? With sugar on it? Sprinkles? Chocolate sauce? lol I just 
noticed the fortune on this message. My system is insane; which is OK 
since apparently I am too.

Gotta hurry away again so I can get close enough to started so that I'll 
feel I'm making at least _some_ headway. Some *hobby* I picked.

Peace;
Charlie
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