[expert] 9.1: partition "device busy" on shutdown

[Norman Carver]

Have had 9.1 installed on several machines for months working fine.
One had a harddrive problem this last week, so just got a new drive
and reinstalled 9.1 then did most updates.  When I tried to shutdown
the machine, however, umount failed for the partition I have /home on.
Get a "device busy" message.  Went into console as root right after boot and
could umount and remount for a couple of minutes, but then suddenly
got "device busy" message (without ever having done anything that
should have involved /home).  Root partition and other (/backup) partitions
umount fine at shutdown.  But /home partition will not--ever.  lsof from
console lists nothing.  Any ideas?  Never encountered this problem before
with any 9.1 installation.  Happens with both original 9.1 kernel (enterprise)
and the latest updates one (enterprise version).

Thanks,
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[expert] 9.1: openssh updates broke sftp kioslave

[Norman Carver]

Upgraded openssh packages due to security issue, but then found
that sftp no longer worked in Konqueror.  Problem is on client side--not
on server side (confirmed by downgrading packes on client machine).
sftp does work from the command line, but I notice it now prints out transfer
stats to the right of the screen.

Anyone else confirm this?  Any idea what might be able to be done about
it, since no longer having sftp from within Konqueror is a BIG problem for me.

Also, I thought security issue was on server side.  Why is client side 
changed?

(I have upgraded my KDE using all the packages on the update sites, but have
not gone to the club's 3.1.3 "test" packages.)

Thanks,
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Re: [expert] 9.1: Icons for Removable Devices

[Norman Carver]

On Saturday 05 April 2003 02:38 am, Frederic Soulier wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've been following this thread about icons for removable devices but
> I'm quite puzzled by the way it looks on my box (installed with 9.1 from
> scratch, not upgraded from 9.0 so there is no leftover).
>
> In my /home//Desktop directory I do not have all these .desktop
> files (except a Home.desktop).
>
> Could someone briefly explain exactly how these dynamic icons are
> handled and the corresponding hook up scripts (hotplug?)
>
> I'd like to control the naming of those icons and/or be able to get rid
> of them altogether and replace them with my own static icons.

Exactly what I wanted to do.  Here's what I did (after Marc's reply):

(1) Disabled KDE's automatic device display:
 Go to KDE Config -> LookNFeel -> Behavior
 In Devices section at the bottom, uncheck "Display
 devices on the desktop."

(2) Go to the desktop, right click, select Create New ->
 Link to application (URL).  Type in the name you want
 and the mount point (E.g., /mnt/cdrom).  [This assumes
 you are doing this for supermounted devices--if not use
 Create New -> xxx Device.]

(3) Right click on the new desktop device icon, select properties, and
 pick the appropriate icon.

(4) Repeat for other desired devices.


I could not find a script that KDE is using.  Must be in a binary.  So, I
don't see any way to currently control how KDE displays mounted or
unmounted devices automatically.  So it's a nice idea, but not quite
fully usable.

Norm


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Re: [expert] 9.1: Icons for Removable Devices

[Norman Carver]

On Thursday 03 April 2003 01:02 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 20:40, Norman Carver wrote:
> > On Wednesday 02 April 2003 08:22 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 05:52, Norman Carver wrote:
> > > > Thanks, but 9.1 does not work the same as 9.0.  In particular, you
> > > > cannot rename or change these icons (or even delete them).
> > >
> > > Go into /home/you/Desktop You'll find the files that Gen the icons
> > > there.
> >
> > I have it disabled now, but that was the first place I looked, and I
> > didn't see the icon files there.  What are they called?
>
> Discover custom services.desktop  Mandrake Expert.desktop  Trash/
> Home.desktop  Mandrake Store.desktop
> Welcome.desktop
> MandrakeClub.desktop  Removable media/
>
>
> is the list... vi (or emacs kate etc) the file... it covers all the
> info on how KDE puts the icon on your desktop.  If you want to prove
> this to your self cd into the directory,  mv one of the files up one
> level  the icon disapears.  mv it back... the icon will re-appear.

I know how KDE generally handles desktop icons.  Again, though, you
appear to be talking about 9.0 rather than 9.1.  What you describe as the 
default desktop icons here is what you got with 9.0.  In particular, 9.1 does 
*not* have the Removable media icon and does not deal with the removable 
drives via the /usr/bin/kdesktop-links script as 9.0 did.  So, knowing how 
9.0 dealt with them is of little/no help to 9.1.  That was why I was asking!

Marc gave the correct answer:  the desktop icons for removable drives (and 
harddrives) can be made to appear automatically by KDE 3.1, and are by 
default set to appear in MDK 9.1.  Despite the fact that device icons appear 
on the desktop, they are not produced by files in your Desktop directory.
The big problem I have with this approach is that you have no control over the 
icons or the text that KDE will use.  So I disabled the automatic icons and 
created my own.

Norm


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Re: [expert] DMA on hard drives turned off?

[Norman Carver]

On Thursday 03 April 2003 04:52 pm, Miark wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Your hdc and hdd are not harddrives, they're your CD drive and tape drive,
> which have DMA turned off by default. The command you're looking for
>
> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd

For some strange reason, though the boot messages show the CD, DVD, and Zip 
devices as having "DMA disabled," a check with hdparm shows that all actually
have dma enabled in my installation.  Why is this?  I also note that the code 
in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit in MDK 9.0 that disabled dma for the cdroms, is no 
longer in that file.

Norm


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Re: [expert] 9.1: Icons for Removable Devices

[Norman Carver]

On Wednesday 02 April 2003 08:22 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 05:52, Norman Carver wrote:
> > Thanks, but 9.1 does not work the same as 9.0.  In particular, you cannot
> > rename or change these icons (or even delete them).
>
> Go into /home/you/Desktop You'll find the files that Gen the icons
> there.

I have it disabled now, but that was the first place I looked, and I didn't
see the icon files there.  What are they called?


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Re: [expert] 9.1: Icons for Removable Devices

[Norman Carver]

On Thursday 03 April 2003 08:15 am, Marc Berenschot wrote:
> Norman Carver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks, but 9.1 does not work the same as 9.0.  In particular, you
> > cannot rename or change these icons (or even delete them).
>
> You can 'delete' them with KDE control center, under LookNFeel-Behavior
> unset "Display devices on desktop". Or make a choice there.
>
> Marc.

Thanks Marc.  I did not realize they were a KDE mechanism.  Thought they were 
like the similar icons in 9.0.  You can indeed disable them from appearing 
from the KDE control center.  There is no way to change the text or icon that 
appears.  And, as I had said, you cannot delete, rename, etc. by right 
clicking on them.  So, I have disabled them and replaced them with URL icons 
(for the supermounted devices), whose appearance I have control over.

Norm


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Re: [expert] 9.1: Icons for Removable Devices

[Norman Carver]

Thanks, but 9.1 does not work the same as 9.0.  In particular, you cannot 
rename or change these icons (or even delete them).

On Wednesday 02 April 2003 10:49 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 Apr 2003 11:51 pm, Norman Carver wrote:
> > Using KDE with 9.1, I have some questions about the new approach for
> > automatically creating desktop icons for removable devices.  I don't care
> > for how this shows up on my desktop--with each drive having 3 lines of
> > text like: CD-ROM
> >   mounted on /mnt
> >   /cdrom2
> >
> > This takes up a lot of space since I have a floppy, zip, cdrom, cd
> > burner, and dvd burner.  Furthermore, the cdrom, cd burner, and dvd
> > burner all show up with identical icons, and can be distinguished only
> > via the mount point. This is not how I want to remember which is which. 
> > So, what can I do about this? How can I change the names/text and icon
> > for each of the drives?
> >
> > Also, how are these icons being generated?  (I haven't tried tracking it
> > down as of yet.)
>
> Haven't got 9.1 yet, so answer is based on 9.0.  First, I would not worry
> about how they are generated.  You can decide later whether to experiment
> with putting them in a folder on the desktop if that's what you want.
>
> Have you tried right-click on one of the icons, > properties?  You should
> be able to change both the name and the icon there.  To change the icon you
> click on the icon shown and a list of available ones should show up.
>
> Anne

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[expert] 9.1: Icons for Removable Devices

[Norman Carver]

Using KDE with 9.1, I have some questions about the new approach for 
automatically creating desktop icons for removable devices.  I don't care for 
how this shows up on my desktop--with each drive having 3 lines of text like:
  CD-ROM
  mounted on /mnt
  /cdrom2

This takes up a lot of space since I have a floppy, zip, cdrom, cd burner, and
dvd burner.  Furthermore, the cdrom, cd burner, and dvd burner all show up
with identical icons, and can be distinguished only via the mount point.  This 
is not how I want to remember which is which.  So, what can I do about this?
How can I change the names/text and icon for each of the drives?

Also, how are these icons being generated?  (I haven't tried tracking it down 
as of yet.)

Thanks for any assistance!

Norm




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Re: [expert] not a valid block device

[Norman Carver]

I believe this is what you will see if the floppy drive goes bad.
I have a bad one in a machine at work--I will see what the message
is tomorrow.

On Thursday 23 May 2002 08:31 pm, you wrote:
> Thanks for the reply, however this has recently occurred on an application
> which was in service for over a year?
>
> Starbucks coffee always gives me reflux, I have had to cut back.
>
> Thanks again for the response.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Gary Dunn wrote:
> > On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 06:10, Albert E. Whale wrote:
> > > [snip] Just
> > > recently the mount command has issued the following errors:
> > >
> > > mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
> > >
> > > How do I get rid of this message which just started to occur?
> >
> > I've gotten this on bad left brain days. Problem was I had reversed the
> > order of the command line args, like "mount /mnt/floppy /dev/fd0"
> > Calls for another trip to Starbucks.
> >
> > Gary Dunn
> > Open Slate Project
> > Honolulu
> >
> >  
> > 
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[expert] Zip FS corruption with MDK 8.2

[Norman Carver]

I had not yet switched to MDK 8.2, but a disk failure made me go for it a few 
days ago.  All had seemed fine--I was getting things set up the way I wanted 
them.  Then, tonight, I found that the filesystems on Zip disks are being 
corrupted when I try to delete files (works fine for reading and 
writing--which I had tried previously).  First problem I noticed was that 
deleting was taking a very long time, with Zip drive light flashing.  Then a 
delete froze the machine, necessitating a hard reboot.  I then found that a
supposedly empty Zip disk was now showing up (via Konqueror properties and a 
df) as having significant fractions of the space used, and that I could in 
fact only write the amount that was showing as free.  Further testing showed 
that deleting files *never* reduces the used space on the disk--though 
Konqueror and ls list no files!  (dosfsck will recover the supposedly deleted 
files as unused clusters.)  Took disks to my Windows machine and it shows 
same used/free fractions.  Reformatted disks and they are fine, but testing 
shows that deleting files under MDK 8.2 is not returning clusters--i.e., FAT 
filesystem on the Zip disks is being corrupted.  To make sure this was not 
some sudden drive failure, a booted into an older MDK 8.0 installation on the 
machine.  There the Zip works properly.  So, this is a MDK 8.2 problem.  The 
Zip-specific differences between the 8.0 and 8.2 installations include:
(1) supermount in 8.2 but not in 8.0; and
(2) Zip as ide-scsi in 8.2 but as ide-floppy in 8.0.

Before I started toying with various combinations to try to figure out what 
is to blame,  I thought I would ask if anyone else has had this same problem?
(Perhaps you have it and don't know it.)  If so, please let me know.  Since I 
have run Zip drives as ide-scsi devices in the past, I would be surprised if 
that is the problem--unless the newer driver has problems.

Thanks!

Norm
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Re: [expert] LM8.2: gFtp + SSH2

[Norman Carver]

I think this is probably due to the problem of sftp-server not being in the 
search path since it is installed in /usr/lib/ssh (at least for MDK 8.1).  If 
in gftp you go into ftp>options ssh tab, you can set the ssh2 sftp-server 
path to be /usr/lib/ssh and things will work (don't check any of the check 
boxes).  You can also ste this path for each bookmark I think.  I also 
believe that you can create an slink to sftp-server from someplace in the 
normal search path.  This problem is mentioned on the gftp web site.

On Tuesday 02 April 2002 03:54 pm, you wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am trying to use gFtp over SSH2 but it fails with the following error:
> (taken from gFtp log file)
>
> gFTP 2.0.11, Copyright (C) 1998-2002 Brian Masney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. If
> you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about this program,
> please feel free to email them to me. You can always find out the latest
> news about gFTP from my website at http://gftp.seul.org/
> gFTP comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details, see the COPYING
> file. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
> under certain conditions; for details, see the COPYING file
> Opening SSH connection to 192.168.0.1
> Running program ssh -e none -l frederic 192.168.0.1 -s sftp
> 3: Protocol Initialization
> Error: Message size 1936943199 too big from server
> Disconnecting from site 192.168.0.1
> Received wrong response from server, disconnecting
> Waiting 30 seconds until trying to connect again
>
> I can SSH the machine from the console without problem...
>
> The error just puzzles me:
>Error: Message size 1936943199 too big from server
>
> Any idea?
> Thanks in advance.

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[expert] VIA 8233a patch and 8.2 kernel compile problems

[Norman Carver]

I have a motherboard with the new VIA vt8233a chip (which supports UDMA133).  
This chip is not recognized by the the Mandrake 8.2 kernel code, so I have 
only very slow disk access.  I have gotten ahold of the 2.4.18 kernel patch 
that should allow this chip to be recognized.  However, I am having trouble 
getting the Mandrake 8.2 (2.4.18) kernel to compile--with or without the 
patch.  I was hoping someone might be able to tell me what I am doing wrong.

When I applied the patch to the 2.4.18-mdk6 source and tried the kernel 
compile, I got apparent compiler errors ("internal error: segmentation 
fault").  To see if it was the patch, I then reverted all code and tried to 
simply recompile the MDK kernel.  Same problem (though in a different file).  
In other words, I can't get Mandrake's kernel to compile.  Why??

Here are the details on what I did in trying to simply recompile MDK kernel:
(1) made sure gcc was installed:  gcc-2.96-0.76mdk
(2) made sure kernel source files were installed:
 kernel-headers-2.4.18-25mdk and kernel-source-2.4.18-6mdk
(3) copied /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/defconfig to /usr/source/linux/.config
(4) make oldconfig
(5) make dep && make clean
(6) make bzImage
 Runs for a while and then ends in some file with an error like:
   tty_io.c:  In function `release_dev':
   tty_io.c:1277:  Internal error: Segmentation fault.
   Please submit a full bug report.

If I make changes to the .config or try using defconfig-enterprise, I can 
change the file in which the seg fault occurs, but it always occurs.  This is 
how I understand to do the kernel compile--and I have rechecked Mandrake's 
documentation (from 8.1).  What am I doing wrong?  Or is there something 
wrong with MDK8.2 files?

Thanks for your help.  I would really like to get the disk running at full 
speed on this machine, and I am sure other people will start having issues 
with this chip.

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Re: [expert] [Fwd: Acrobat Reader bug?]

[Norman Carver]

Do you have the latest version of the reader?
I got the lastest from adobe.com.  It fixed the
problems I was having with some files.  I believe
they were the same as what you are encountering.

Norm

> Leopold Palomo wrote:
> 
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I have realize that with the same pdf file, I have different result
> > viewing it in win reader version than a linux reader version. In the
> > linux version when I open the file I have a message saying that ...
> > "unable to extract the embedded font X. Some character ".
> > However, the same file can be open in the win version without problem
> > and showing all the characters.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Leo
> >
> > --
> > Leopold Palomo Avellaneda
> >
> > Linux User 152692
> > Catalonia
> 
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> 
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> Catalonia
> 
> 
> 
> 

[expert] Dell Inspiron 8000 and MDK 7.2?

[Norman Carver]

Wondered whether anyone has installed MDK 7.2
on a Dell Inspiron 8000.  A friend just got one
and the install didn't "just work."  So before we
spend lots of time fussing around, I thought I would
ask here whether anyone already knows the "secrets!"

Machine has ATI Mobility graphics card and Xircon
networking.

MDK 7.2 install hangs on PCMCIA detection, but when
we did expert noauto install we ended up with kernel
panick (I think from PCMCIA).

While I have installed numerous MDKs on many machines,
I have never done it on a laptop, so know nothing about
laptop-specific issues like PCMCIA

Thanks for any assistance!

Norm

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Re: [expert] CDROM inoperable for audio only in new MD7.2 (kscd problem?).

[Norman Carver]

Zelck, Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After my fresh 7.2 install, which didn't go smooth but succeeded at last, I
> have this anoying cdrom problem.
> Using data cds is no problem and even supermount works perfectly.
> The trouble starts when I want to use a cd-player (kscd in my case, the only
> one installed by default).
> ...
> However, if I push play, I immediately get the msg. "ejected". In the
> messages-log I get the error you typically get when you try to mount an
> audio cd. Then the cdplayer shows ready again, then ejected (with the same
> error in the log file) and this goes on till I exit the player. I tried
> umounting the supermounted drive but it stays the same. I tried remaking the
> devices with MAKEDEV but nothing.
> More bizare is that if I direct my player to use the cd-writer drive
> (/dev/scd0), this works without a flaw. Of course, I don't hear shit since
> that one's not connected to the audo card!

I just wanted to point out that my CD player does not function
quite properly under kscd either.  When you first start kscd,
it works fine, but after you stop a disk playing for the first
time, the play button no longer works.  You push it and 00:00
comes up for an instant, then nothing.  Interestingly, if you
push the track skip buttons, this will get it to start playing
(and move tracks).  I started having this trouble under MDK 7.1
when I bought a newer, faster Memorex CDROM.  It appears that
kscd is not sending what the CD wants to see to start playing.

You might try using gtcd.  It works fine with my CDROM.  It does
not seem to be listed on the KDE menu, but was installed.  I am
curious whether it works OK.

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[expert] SB Live and MDK 7.2 or 7.1?

[Norman Carver]

I have gotten somewhat tired of dealing with
my AWE 64 ISA PNP sound card (plus want to use
digital connections), so because Staples has the
Live MP3+5.1 on sale for $80, I decided to get one.

I gather that MDK 7.2 is supposed to support this
card, but I was interested in getting more info from
people that have been successful before I tried to
install it.  I haven't yet had time to investigate
sound in MDK 7.2 (my AWE 64 is only partially working
at this point, and I am not entirely sure how it got
to where it is even).  So, any pointers would be much
appreciated.

In addition to trying it with MDK 7.2, I may want to
get it working under 7.1 (still my main system).
Is there any way to use any of the files on the 7.2 CD
to accomplish this, or what would be the best way to
proceed?

One particular question I have is whether the digital
connection between the CD and the card functions under
Linux/MDK, and just how people would suggest these be
connected.

Thanks in advance for any info!!

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Re: [expert] Giant fonts and other adventures with 7.2

[Norman Carver]

Michael Powell PhD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  After doing an expert/workstation install low security of 7.2
> I have the following problems. I remeber seeing these in expert/cooker,
> but didn't save them.
> 
> first I have GIANT fonts in everything. checking KDEconf I reset all
> fonts
> to helvica. applied it and still giant font's everywhere, went back to
> check and they had all been reset again?

I and others have had the same problems.  You can (temporarily) fix
the problem by deleting the .kde subdirectory for whatever user is
having problems (cannot do this with the user running KDE, so may
have to use console window if user with problems is root).  When you
restart KDE the directory will be recreated and fonts fixed.  However,
some of your prefs will be gone.  Have not been able to determine what
is wrong in the directory (or why the problem cannot be fixed from
the control panel--which seems to write font info in the .kderc file,
which has no effect on this problem!).

I said temporarily fix the problem because I have had this re-occur on
one installation (has occurred only once so far on another--both with
very low use so far).  Because of it and several other very annoying KDE
problems, I have just about given up on MDK 7.2/KDE 2.

Good luck, and let us know if you come up with anything useful,
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Re: [expert] inetd

[Norman Carver]

Aaron M. Hirsch:
> > >I have recently installed 7.2 on a couple of boxes at work, possibly 20
> > >in the near future if I can correct this problem.  I am unable to use
> > >any of the inet/inetd/xinetd services, such as telnet, ftp, rsh
> > >I do have inet/inetd/xinetd in the startup services, and have my desired
> > >services uncommented in inetd.conf.  However whenever I attempt to
> > >telnet,rsh,ftp into one of the newly configured boxes I get the

If you are running xinetd rather than inetd then I believe that
you need to deal with the xinetd conf files rather than inetd.conf.
xinetd uses a rather different syntax for its configuation.
Look at the man pages.

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Re: [expert] Zip drives and supermount in MDK 7.2 does not work.

[Norman Carver]

Phil Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 09 November 2000 06:45 pm, you wrote:
> 
> > > Internal (atapi) Zip drives appear not to work properly
> > in MDK 7.2 with supermount (as the installation sets them
> > up).  
> 
> I have not yet seen this problem. I use mine for file backups and have never 
> had a problem removing the disk

Truly bizarre.  I have two installations on two different
machines and neither one works (cannot eject zip).

These are both 100MB internal atapi Zips, one 3 years old and the
other from this summer.

Even without the icon, if you just cd into /mnt/zip in shell window,
and then cd out or even close the shell window, pushing the eject
button on the zip does nothing.  You can explicity umount /mnt/zip
and then eject, but that then hoses supermount for the zip.

This is exactly the same behavior I had on two other machines
with MDK 7.1.  Someone from Mandrake confirmed on this list
that it was a bug.

(This is all when running KDE, BTW.)


> > Of course, perhaps this explains why the desktop zip icon
> > that the install creates has the invalid URL of /mnt.zip.
> > You aren't really supposed to use your Zip drive with MDK 7.2.
> 
> 7.2 created my supermount for it, but I had to create my own desktop icon. 

MDK created zip icon for user accounts--with wrong URL.
Did not create for root.

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[expert] Zip drives and supermount in MDK 7.2 does not work.

[Norman Carver]

Internal (atapi) Zip drives appear not to work properly
in MDK 7.2 with supermount (as the installation sets them
up).  I had reported this same problem with MDK 7.1 and
it was confirmed as a bug.  I guess I don't understand why
the installation again sets internal zips up to use supermount
and this again does not work (cannot eject disk without
rebooting machine).

Of course, perhaps this explains why the desktop zip icon
that the install creates has the invalid URL of /mnt.zip.
You aren't really supposed to use your Zip drive with MDK 7.2.

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Re: [expert] KDE font problem w/7.2

[Norman Carver]

Regarding the problem that I reported a couple days ago
(all KDE fonts suddenly being set to ledfixed, and not being
able to be changed back from the Control Panel)

As suggested by Alan Shoemaker, I logged out, opened console
window and deleted the .kde directory from the relevant
user directory.  Upon restarting KDE, the fonts are back
to normal.  However, of course, much of my configuration
info is also now gone (you do not have to delete the
.kderc file, though, that has no effect).

However, this problem does not appear to be as isolated as
I had hoped.  I had it re-occur for root on the one installation
and then last night I had it occur in a user account on a
different machine.  In both cases, simply starting a KDE
application caused it:  KWord in one case, Konqueror the other.

Clearly, not an acceptable situation for using KDE 2.

I also note that there is clearly something in the .kde subdirectory
that is related to this.  Not only does deleting it (and letting
KDE recreate it) fix the problem, I had saved one from when I was
having the font trouble, and mv'ing it back as .kde causes the
ledfixed font problem to come back.  I have not been able to
isolate what is wrong, though.  I did a find/grep looking for
ledfixed, led, and font, and did not see anything relevant.
Very frustrating.

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Re: [expert] Reproducible Konqueror bug that hangs MDK 7.2

[Norman Carver]

Two more things I forgot to mention with regards to this problem:
e things I forgot to mention with regards to this problem:

The CUPS logo does not completely/properly appear for
me on this page.  So it would be useful to find out if
that is not the case for those reporting the page as working
fine.

Also, the page works fine from Netscape--it is only Konqueror
that cannot display the logo and hangs KDE (I have now tried
numerous variations and have had to reboot more than 10 times
in the last hour).

Thanks,
Norm




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[expert] Reproducible Konqueror bug that hangs MDK 7.2

[Norman Carver]

I have found a reproducible problem that causes
KDE and MDK 7.2 to hang--requiring hard reboot.

I am curious if this causes problems for others,
before I report this bug.

The problem concerns the use of Konqueror to display
the file: /usr/share/doc/cups/sam.html.

When I open Konqueror from the panel button (with no
URL), type in /usr/share/doc/cups/sam.html and hit return,
the page begins to load, then hangs.  I have a brief bit
of very delayed mouse activity and then nothing.
ctrl-alt-fx  and ctrl-alt-bs have no effect.

I first encountered this problem by navigating to
/usr/share/doc/cups/documentation.html, and then clicking
on the link to the software admin manual.  Oddly, the page
will come up without immediately hanging, but if you try to
click on links or even scroll it, KDE will eventually hang.

I did once mangage to click on the close window button and
Konqueror eventually closed, but KDE was hosed (could not
get a shell window to open to look at processes).

Between this serious problem and the other problem I am having
with fonts getting screwed up and not being able to be fixed
without deleting the .kde directory, I am about to give up
on KDE 2 and MDK 7.2 for now.  I certainly cannot recommend
MDK 7.2 to anyone that wants it for KDE 2.

Norm






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Re: [expert] Can I use my Mandrake home for Debian?

[Norman Carver]

Denis HAVLIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> :~>I have about 9GB of unused space since I uninstalled Be.   My home 
directory
> :~>its own partition.  Do you think it would hurt my Mandrake if I used is as
> :~>my home in Debian.  I have a backup of it on a seperate partition, and a
> :~>compressed backup on a CD, but I'd like to not use those if possible. 
> 
> I don't know for sure, but it should not be a big problem. If really
> nothing else works, get yourself 2 small home dirs and let them share a
> big "data" subdir.

This is basically what I did to share files between MDK and
Caldera.  Too many differences to actually share home, but
made a big partition that both mounted as /home/carver/share.
This works great, except that you will probably want to adjust
the user id and group id (numbers) in one installation so they
are the same for both.

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[expert] KDE font problem w/7.2

[Norman Carver]

I have done two installs of 7.2 on two machines, and
have encountered several problems (e.g., printer setup
during install never produces working printing).
However, I now have a rather serious problem with fonts
in KDE on one install, and wondered if anyone might have
a suggestion

Here's what happened:  after booting up for the first
time, was doing some file browsing (as root) and Konqueror
hung so that I was forced to do a reset (no response to
ctrl-alt-x's).  When I came back up, all looked fine until
I went into the KDE Control Center.  It opened using a huge,
weird font, which caused the windows to extend outside the desktop.
Finally found (by going into LookandFeel | Fonts), that
KDE is showing all its fonts as now set to ledfixed--and
actually using these fonts.  (This is for the root account.)

I tried resetting them from the control panel, but this has
not had any effect whatsoever (doing Apply has no effect, doing
OK also has no effect, and if you go back into Fonts after having
done an OK, all the fonts are reset to ledfixed.)

I poked around in config files, but in .kderc I find exactly
the fonts I want being listed (e.g., helvetica).  These are
not the fonts being used, however.  I have not been able to
find any reference to ledfixed in any of root's files.

The other user account functions just fine, so this is something
screwed up with KDE in root.  So there has got to be some config
file where this strange ledfixed font is written.  I have not found
it, however, and I do not understand why the Control Panel will not
allow me to change the fonts and repair it.

Any ideas on how to fix??  KDE is not usable right now for root.

Thanks,
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Re: [expert] LILO doesn't recognize default label

[Norman Carver]

Right--if you have your IDE drives set up to use LBA mode then
the 1024 "limit" is not an issue for LILO (older version).
It is only if you are not using LBA that you need to worry
about this.

Norm

Ron Stodden wrote:
> Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> > This is just a basic partition map for large drives, but the MOST
> > essential partition, and the one that is a MUST is the /boot partition.
> 
> Not a MUST at all these days.   For people with large physical drives
> set up LBA, and who keep bootable partitions on low logical numbers
> or who use the latest LILO (which has no 1024 cylinder limit) the
> best move is to put all of Linux in the one partition (the Mandrake
> installer supports this), and so totally avoid the constant problem
> of partition resize rejuggling.
> 
> There is NO need or value in having a separate /boot partition these
> days.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.
> To write a poem in 17 syllables is very diffic
> 

Re: [expert] More version 7.1 problems

[Norman Carver]

Tom Brinkman wrote: 
> > But will they accept and convert OS/2 and Win icons?  I thought I tried and
> > they did not?
>   If you take any .gif file and reduce it to 64x64 and change
> it to an .xpm, you can then use it as a KDE icon.

And you can use xv to convert gif or bmp files to xpm format.

Norm

Re: [expert] More version 7.1 problems

[Norman Carver]

Steve Browne wrote:
> Create a folder called, say, NewApps. Open the folder. Now you can
> create an icon-link for an application, within the folder. Then move
> the app to the Desktop. I don't know why the procedure was changed.

All you have to do is go into ~/Desktop and create them there.

Norm

Re: [expert] More version 7.1 problems

[Norman Carver]

Pelon wrote:
> You're correct Steve. I think you're remembering
> the old "Templates" folder. You can find it at
> ~/.kde/Templates and
> /usr/share/apps/kfm/Templates.
> 
> And you can still right click in the file manger
> to get the Template listing. But with mdk7.0 you
> also could get this list by right-clicking the
> desktop.
> 
> If anyone knows where the desktop right-click
> menu is buried I would appreciate the info.

KDE gets what it presents with the right-click | New
menu from...~/.kde/Templates.  This is one of those
standard aspects of KDE that Mandrake for some reason
modified or broke (depending on your point of view)
in 7.1, which I still fine very annoying.

On the other hand, it still works fine for non-root
users on one of the identical machines and installs
that I did...and luckily this is the machine I use.
Of course, why it functions on one and not the other
is still a mystery (the machines are identical, and
the installs were identical except for choice of XFree
version--though both are now running the same version).

Norm

[expert] Weird Netscape application problem

[Norman Carver]

I have an interesting problem with Netscape
(4.73 from  MDK 7.1).  I had gv set up as the
application to call for Postscript documents
(gv %s), but was fooling around trying to get
Netscape to handle gzipped Postscript where the
mime type shows as gzip rather than postscript
(application/x-gzip vs. application/postscript,
as I recall).

Well, I wasn't able to get that working, but somehow
in fussing around trying new application entries,
I have managed to get Netscape to break gv when it
calls it.  Now, when I click on a Postscript document
gv pops up (showing the correct document title and
number of pages), but I get a Ghostscript Messages
window that says: "Error: PostScript interpreter
failed in main window."  Furthermore, if I try to
open any local ps files with this gv, I get the same
message.  However, if I just call gv on the local files
it works fine, and if I change Netscape to say call
emacs on Postscript files, the files look fine in emacs
and I can directly call gv on the /tmp file that has
been created.  I am baffled as to what is going on.

What is even harder for me to understand is that I
deleted the .netscape directory and .mime.types in
an account and tried simply starting from scratch with
a Netscape.  However, after accepting the license, etc.,
Netscape comes up showing Postscript documents already
set to call gv %s!!  In other words, it seems to have
written this outside of the user account (since this is
now the orginal default for Netscape).  This makes me
wonder whether it has somehow stored some of the weird
commands I was trying and is also attempting to execute
them.

Anyway, before I delete and re-install netscape, I was
wondering if anyone else had every encountered anything
like this or had any suggestions for what I might try
short of re-installing Netscape.

Thanks,
Norm

[expert] Auto update questions for 7.1

[Norman Carver]

I just used the auto update to update several
packages on my 7.1.  However, when I got back
into the updates again later to do more packages,
all of the packges were again listed--including
the ones that I had already updated.  Querying
rpm seems to show that they have been updated.
Why isn't the auto update detecting this.  I used
it under 7.0 and it worked fine.  Any ideas?

Also, anyone had problems with the kernel updates
under 7.1?  (I have yet to do them.)

Thanks,
Norm

Re: [expert] Applying Applications and Devices to Desktop

[Norman Carver]

> I have noticed after installing 7.1 that when you right click on the
> desktop, under the 'New' option only a 'Folder' can be created. Though
> when you right click on a new folder you get the past options that were
> available in 7.0 of creating 'Applications, Devices, etc', though they
> do not go to the Desktop as .kdelnk but the 'New Folder'.
> 
> Can anyone assist me in creating a Desktop .kdelnk for Applications and
> Devices, just like what was available in 7.0.

This is another 7.1 quirk that I have not figured out.

On one machine we installed 7.1 on, right-clicking on
the desktop brings up the entire list of new .kdelnk entries
that appear in ~/.kde/Templates (as it is supposed to do),
but root only gets the Folder option (even though all the
.kdelnk files are in /root/.kde/Templates.

On another machine, only Folder shows up for all users!

Why are the .kdelnk options not being shown for root and
sometimes for other users??  Just one of several examples
of 7.1 breaking KDE.

It does appear that you can always get the entire list from
within KFM--either by doing File|New|... or right-clicking.
So, you can go to ~/Desktop and create them that way, or you
can go to ~/.kde/Templates and drag-copy-rename the .kdelnk
files onto your desktop.

Sure would like to know what MDK did to break this, and if
there is some reason!

Norm

Re: [expert] Attn: Civileme

[Norman Carver]

Did you enable supermount during the install?

I have been talking with civilme and others about my
cd-rw and tried disabling supermount so I could just
manually mount the cd with different file systems.

Guess what, caused the CD-RW to quit functioning.
Re-enabling supermount got it working again and
causes these additional lines at the end of dmesg:

scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
scsi : 1 host.
  Vendor: LGModel: CD-RW CED-8080B   Rev: 1.04
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CDROM driver Revision: 2.56
hdd: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm
hdd: The drive reports both 100663296 and 0 bytes as its capacity

[hdd is an internal atapi zip, which you don't appear to have]

With supermount disabled, my dmesg looks similar to yours and
the cd-rw is non-functional (not detected).  Kudzu even came up
and said it had been removed!

Not sure what supermount has to do with getting the scsi emulation
going here, or if there is another way to get this to occur, but
I am not suprised that your cd-rw is non-functional given your dmesg.

Norm

Re: [expert] UDMA66 problem

[Norman Carver]

Civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dmesg
> 
> cat /proc/pci
> 
> lspcidrake
> 
> cat /etc/fstab (AFTER you try installing 7.1 again)
> 
> And I am very curious also why /dev/scd0 would work.  CDRWs are
> normally assigned /dev/sr0, /dev/sr1  Could THAT 
> be it?  Is your CDRW acting like ONLY a CD-R?  You did a manual
> /dev/scd0 in 7.0 but the 7.1 install would have done a symbolic
> link to /dev/sr0
> 
> They should both be block-major-11 but if the W portion isn't
> working  I have no idea what that effect would be.

I have a CD-RW drive in a new Dell that I recently installed 7.1
on, and MDK set up a link from /dev/cdrom to /dev/scd0, not to
/dev/sr0.  Both /dev/scd0 and /dev/sr0 exist, but I note that
the owner/groups are carver/disk and root/cdwriter, respectively
(where carver is the current logged in user).

I have not gotten around to burning any CDs yet, but we have
found that it cannot properly read CD-RWs (reads normal CDs, CD-Rs,
and music CDs fine).  Could this have something to do with the
device link?  The supermount info in fstab refers to /dev/cdrom.

Also, when I just did dmesg, I simply get a bunch of lines like:
sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
followed by 
sr0: disc change detected.

So something is strange here--cdrom linked to scd0, but clearly
getting messages related to sr0.

[Also, why is dmesg simply showing me these messages and not
the bootup info that is in /var/log/dmesg.  I don't see these
sr0 messages in any log file.  Where are they being stored?]

Thanks,
Norm

Re: [expert] supermount and IDE ZIP

[Norman Carver]

Jens Benecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to get an IDE zip running on our server. It's for people who
> want to copy stuff off the server onto a removable media and take it with
> them. I use supermount to mount the thing:
> 
>/zip   /zipsupermount  dev=/dev/hdd4,fs=vfat,--,umask=0 0 0
> 
> Unfortunately, the ZIP gets locked, unlike CDROM media. I cannot eject it
> until I umount it. Is there a way to mount the ZIP (-o sync) and leave it
> unlocked, so that people can eject it without needing to ssh into the
> machine and umount?

Here is the info I got when I posted about zips not
being able to be ejected under supermount with 7.1:

> This is definitively a bug. Chmouel is building a new kernel (security
> update), try it when it gets out - i hope he got supermount with atapi
> ZIP-s right in that one.
> 
> Dr. Denis Havlik

RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?

[Norman Carver]

Hey I just found this at buy.com:

IBM 101 ENHANCED AT KEYBOARD 101 KEYS ($68.95)

Your keyboard is your direct line of communication with your PC.
It can affect your comfort, productivity, and even the quality
or your work.  That's why it's important to select a keyboard carefully.
Evaluate all your options, and you won't find a better choice for
your money than this keyboard. The Enhanced Keyboard is IBM's classic
101-key keyboard featuring patented buckling-spring technology that gives
extraordinarily positive, tactile feedback. The incredibly sturdy
construction makes it IBM's most rugged keyboard.


Thought this might be of interest since so many noted that they
thought the classic IBM keyboard was great.

Norm

[expert] KSCD and CDDB

[Norman Carver]

I cannot seem to get KSCD to load CDDB info under MDK 7.1.

Anyone have it working?

With the default, I get an "error getting cddb entry"
message when inserting a new CD.  However, when I try
to update the servers list, I get an "unable to get
cddb server list" message.  (It does not help that the
help documentation does not match the program.)

I know that the default server that is set up
(www.cddb.com cddbp 8880 -) is wrong since the
www.cddb.com site says that the correct server
is now cddb.cddb.com.  However, I cannot seem
to get this in as the server--it keeps reverting
to the above default.  And do I still need a port?

Anyway, if anyone has it working, perhaps they could
let me know how they did it.

Thanks,
Norm

RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?

[Norman Carver]

Thanks to all those that responded (both on the
list and privately)!

I agree that the M$ keyboards feel fairly good,
but I want a normal keyboard because I switch
around from time to time.  When I end up on one
of the split-hand M$ keyboards I can barely type.
Don't want to end up that way with a normal keyboard.

I did find that insight lists a number of IBM keyboards.
Unfortuntely, I could not find any info about them on
either insight's or ibm's sites.  One is $120 and another
is $140, so I am guessing these are not junky keyboards.
But how would I know.  Unless I can find one to look at,
I wouldn't want to order it.

Thanks,
Norm

[expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?

[Norman Carver]

I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work
from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the
things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun
keyboard is.  I am talking here about feel mainly--the
keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are
quiet.  The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds
cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if
you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going
down).

I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had
a better keyboard.  No.  I also went to Staples and tried
several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards.  None came
anywhere close to the Sun.  They all feel pretty cheap,
are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key
shapes (e.g., very short).  The best was the cheapest--the
Micro unit.  The rest seem to have put their money into adding
useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of
producing a quality keyboard!

So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that
is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides?  I'm sure
that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker.  Who
is it??

Thanks,
Norm

[expert] supermount vs. automount/autofs

[Norman Carver]

I am confused about supermount vs. automount/autofs.
They seem very similar by looking at the man pages,
but apparently they are different.  Right?  The install
of 7.1 has autofs as a possible service to start, and
I guess that I was confused about it vs. supermount so
left it checked to start.  So it is running, but do I
want it running because of supermount?  Could this be
the cause of some of the funny unable to eject zip disk
or device busy messages I am getting?

Thanks,
Norm

[expert] Volume control problems with CD-RW

[Norman Carver]

Recent install of 7.1 on new Dell 850 with an
LG CD-RW (www.lge.pl) and Sound Blaster 64v PCI
(detected as ES1371).

Haven't tried burning any CDs yet, but CD-RW works
fine as CDROM and sound is working.

Having one problem though:  neither KSCD nor GTCD
are able to affect volume when playing music CDs.
This applies both to the output from the sound
card (via the speakers) and via the headphone
output of the CD-RW.

(Note that Kmixer works fine--can change output level
and CD input levels.)

Any ideas as to why this might be?  I have previously used
only regular CDROM drives with Linux, and have always had
volume control.  Is this normal for CD-RWs (this one is
being set up as ide-scsi via lilo append statements)?

Thanks,
Norm
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Re: [expert] Problems with Rage Pro 128 w/7.1

[Norman Carver]

I wrote:
> ...
> Did an mdk7.1 install on the problem machine and
> chose XFree 3.3.6 instead since the owner wanted
> less problems.  Ho, ho.  However, when the machine
> boots mdk, it hangs when X is starting.
> ...

Remembered that we could use the install CD to do
a "rescue" boot.  Found that XFree 4 had also been
installed, so just changed the X link to it...and
it runs!  Still wonder what the problem might be
with XFree 3.3.6 with this card, as it is supposed
to handle it.  Any ideas?  (Again, card is an ATI
Rage Pro 128 w/16MB.)

Also still want to know how to use the boot floppy
created during the install to do a "resue."

Thanks,
Norm

[expert] Problems with Rage Pro 128 w/7.1

[Norman Carver]

We have two brand new Dell machines here that
are identical except for mouses and monitors.
I installed 7.1 and chose to try XFree 4 and
everything worked fine.  The other machine we
have had nothing but problems with trying to install
Linux (neither the COL2.4 nor RH6.2 graphical
installs worked).

Did an mdk7.1 install on the problem machine and
chose XFree 3.3.6 instead since the owner wanted
less problems.  Ho, ho.  However, when the machine
boots mdk, it hangs when X is starting.

I was seeking advice about how to best approach
this.  Obiously, we need to try to change the
X configuration.  Is there a way to prevent mandrake
from going into the graphical startup (xdm/kdm) during
the bootup?  (Could neither kill X nor get to console
once it attempted to start up.)  Once we can get
a console, any suggestions on what we might tryu?
(The machine's owner isn't willing to spend lots of
time fussing, and, well, it isn't *my* machine.)

Also, doesn't the boot disk that is created during
the install allow you to boot up so that you can
mount the system on the hd and work on it?  I thought
that was the point of the rescue option, but that asks
for an image disk to use for the root filesystem.
What is it looking for?

Thanks,
Norm

Re: [expert] 7.1 -- 2-CD download mystery -- How?

[Norman Carver]

> Well, as it turns out, there seems to be NO WAY to download the new
> Mandrake 7.1 by FTP. Since 7.1 is on two CD rather than one CD, there is
> a pause during the download install that has completely stumped me (and
> probably others). I selected Custom, Normal for download and all of the
> categories (except for the extra "Documentation" category) for a total
> of 2.2 Gig or 764 packages. Each time (once from rpmfind a few days ago
> and today from metalab.unc.edu), I got precisely the same results: the
> download pauses on the file "kpppload", with nearly exactly half of the
> packages still waiting to be downloaded, and suddenly moves on to the
> next stage of install, namely, "Installing packages," "select your time
> zone,", "configure your printer," etc. etc. until you get the ironic
> message : Mandrake 7.1 successfully installed (which it most certainly
> is NOT, as you find out if you try to use it). 
>...

With expert install from CD, it queries you as to which CDs you have:
  [1] install, [2] ext [3] applications [4] applications 2.

Perhaps you should try expert install--if that is an option.

Norm

Re: [expert] simple recursive delete from the command line?

[Norman Carver]

> 
> how do I quickly delete a whole directory and everything it contains from
> the command line.
>...
> #rm -r puts me in "do you really want to do this?" hell.

re-alias rm so it isn't set to that stupid/annoying/etc. rm -i!!!

Norm

Re: [expert] 7.1 -- Strange FTP phenomenon

[Norman Carver]

>...
> There is something about the kpppload file that's screwing up the rest
>...

As I recall (from earlier today), kpppload was the point at which I was
instructed to switch to the 2nd cdrom--the "ext" one---during the install.
(I did a "development" install with all packages.)  The packages are loading,
and at that point it stops and asks for the 2nd cdrom to be inserted.

Norm

[expert] KDE: menu editor not installed??

[Norman Carver]

Just tried to look at how to edit the KDE menus in 7.1.
Appears to not be possible!  Tried both of the following:
  1.) K | Panel | Edit Menus
Does nothing

  2.) right-click on K | Properties
get the message:  The menu editor is not installed.

Now I know that a "new menuing system" that "update[s]
automatically" is being touted, but does this mean I no
long have any control over howthe menus are organized??
And what if I manually install non-RPM software and want
to put it into the menus.

If this is discussed in the documentation, then I missed it.
Please let me know where it is.  If it is not, it should be.
Particularly since KDE now has non-working entries in its menus.

So, how can I modify the menus?  If I cannot, then this is
a huge step backwards for somebody that uses only KDE, say.


Also, as has already been observed, right-clicking on the
desktop and selecting New (in KDE) now lists only Folder.
None of the other types of templates are listed.  Any idea
where this is configured.  Again, appears to be a step
backwards from 7.0.


I am beginning to think I made a mistake installing 7.1 on
this new machine, since I found 7.0 quite usable.  So far
I am less happy with 7.1 than I was with 7.0.


Thanks for any assistance,
Norm

[expert] 7.1 zip supermount problems

[Norman Carver]

Just installed MDK 7.1 on a new Dell T850.

Generally went well...but, of course, there
are a few issues (e.g., sound!).

One is accessing the internal zip drive (atapi).

MDK configured this to use supermount (with desktop icon).

Access is no problem--stuck in disk and clicked on icon.

Problem:  disk will not eject (via zip drive eject button)!!
And a software eject command doesn't work--I presume because
it is mounted via supermount.

Any ideas?  On the machine this is replacing, I had so many
problems with the external parallel zip drive and supermount that
I went to standard mounting for the zip.  That is an obvious
solution here.  Why doesn't this work though?  The cdrom automounts
and has no problem ejecting.

On a related note, why does lilo.conf (I am using lilo) include
append="... hdd=ide-floppy"?  (hdd is the internal zip.)
I have an internal zip on another machine running MDK7.0 that
does not have this line (I am quite sure)--and it works fine.


Thanks for any help!
Norm

Re: [expert] Partition Table

[Norman Carver]

Laurent:
> Well, I don't know about others but it sure was enlightening to me. Now I
> have to make a decision:
> 
> Fiddle with the partition tables using partition magic to try and set things
> straight or reinstall the whole thing. I think I'll be going with option B.
> My swap space is too large and there are some other issues to contend with
> also. Oh well, that's what this whole thing is about. At least I'm not
> reinstalling for a stoopid reason.

I don't know what your "other issues" are, but if you have
access to PM, fixing your problem will require <<5min of
your time.  Just queue up the 4-5 actions you need done and
walk away from your machine for a while.  Trivial to do.
Also, you don't need to devote all of the currently unused
space to swap, once you expand the extended partition you can
create a swap partition and another linux partition that you
can mount and use for some part of your file system.  Or you
can even expand your fat partition instead.

Unless there is something seriously wrong with your linux install,
I see no point in spending vastly more time to fix a rather
simple problem.

Of course, it is your time to do with as you please.  However,
let me again say that fixing your problem with PM is extremely
trivial to do.

Norm Carver
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [expert] ld.so problems

[Norman Carver]

Laurent Duperval:
> I have 1299 cylinders. As far as I can see, only 1268 are used. The rest was
> supposed to be allocated to my swap. Fo some reason, it's not. Is it because
> the second partition is an NTFS partition and because of that partition 5
> should be of the same type? Here's the partition info again:
> 
> 
> ->Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> -> /dev/hda1 1   277   2094088+   6  FAT16
> -> /dev/hda2   278   556   21092405  Extended
> -> /dev/hda3   *   557   563 52920   83  Linux
> -> /dev/hda4   564  1268   5329800   83  Linux
> -> /dev/hda5   278   556   2109208+   7  HPFS/NTFS

You can have a maximum of 4 primary/extended partitions.
This is what you have already.  Thus, you cannot create
another partition to include the rest of your disk.
If you have something like Partition Magic, you could move
the hda4 and then hda3 to the "end" of the disk, resize/extend
hda2, and then create a swap partition (logical) inside of
the extended partition.

Norm Carver

[expert] How to eliminate kcmlaptop?

[Norman Carver]

In my two MDK 7.0 installs on desktop machines,
kcmlaptop is automatically started.  I would like
to eliminate it (since it takes up 2% of 200+MB mem.).

I have poked around a bit, but cannot determine where
it is being started.  Anyone know?

Thanks,
Norm Carver
  

Re: [expert] Not solved: Printer problem in mdk 7.0

[Norman Carver]

Hey, here's an even stranger finding on the
W98-mdk/usb-parallel Epson printer saga:

If you have both the usb and parallel cables
connected to the Epson, but you only use the
usb associated printer in W98 to print, then
parallel port printing works fine when you switch
to Linux.  However, if you do any W98 printing
via the printer queue associated with the parallel
port, then the printer will not work in Linux
unless the printer is powered down prior to
rebooting the PC.  Bizarre!

BTW: the same problem affects Caldera OL2.3--so
not suprisingly not a mdk-specific problem.

Norm Carver

Re: [expert] Not solved: Printer problem in mdk 7.0

[Norman Carver]

> From: Wolfgang Bornath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:30 -0600, Norman Carver wrote:
>  
> > Any idea what is going on??  Since my friend has to
> > use W98 frequently, he is not too thrilled about having
> > to remember to always turn his printer off between the
> > boots.
> 
> I'll put that in my own simple words:
> 
> When the printer is switched on it listens on both ports where
> the next signal is coming in.
> 
> 1. You're in Win, printing via USB. Printer is listening on his
> USB port.
> ...
> Solutions:
> 
> 1.
> Power down printer *before* you shut down Win or Linux. Reboot.
> Power on printer *after* your system (Win or Linux) is up.
> 
> 2.
> Unplug the USB cable (printer must be powered off) and use only
> parallel in Win and in Linux. Don't forget to disable your USB
> port in BIOS.
> Downfall of this is, You lose extra speed and/or features in Win.
> ...


I guess I was not clear enough.  We did try your solution 2.
However, we are still having the problem that every reboot into
W98 results in the printer not working in Linux (unless it is
powered down prior to reboot)--even with only the parallel cable
connecting the PC and printer.

I can understand why having both the usb and parallel cables
connected to the printer might cause a problem, but I have a
hard time understanding how simply going into W98 causes the
printer to not work in Linux--since the bios is setting the
i/o and irq, and these are what both W98 and Linux are using.
Also, partport_probe appears to detectsthe printer, and reloading
parport_pc elicits a response (noise) from the pinter.  The
printer will not output anything however--even via redirection
to /dev/lp0.  Why?  W98 is not changing i/o or irq from what
the bios is set to do.  Also, we have tried loading parport_pc
both with and without the irq.  If the irq is set then parport_probe
notes it and says notes that the parport0 is interrupt driven.
If the irq is not set (the default from mdk conf.modules setup),
the port is listed as polling.  Printer will work either way--if
is has been powered down prior to reboot--but neither way if not
powered down.

Again, thanks for any further suggestions,
Norm

[expert] Not solved: Printer problem in mdk 7.0

[Norman Carver]

Turns out I spoke too soon about the problems
with the Epson 900 printer being solved.
The simultaneous usb-parallel connection was
not the problem after all.

After going into Win98 (again after printing was
working fine in Linux) printing again does not work.
There is simply no response from the printer even
to files directed to /dev/lp0.  However, if we turn
the printer off, power down, printer back on, and
then reboot, everything works fine.  So apparently,
every boot into W98 screws up the Epson in some way
so that it will not respond to Linux.  The only fix
appears to be to shut it down and reboot (simply turning
it off and on while in Linux does not fix the problem).

Any idea what is going on??  Since my friend has to
use W98 frequently, he is not too thrilled about having
to remember to always turn his printer off between the
boots.

Again, thanks for any assistance.

Norm Carver

[expert] Solved: Printer problem in mdk 7.0

[Norman Carver]

Printer is now working via parallel port.  Problem
appeared to be due to having both the usb and parallel
cables attached to the printer.  Win98 has no problem
with this with the Epson, but Linux appears to--no
output as I mentioned in earlier post.  While we had tried
disconnecting this cable and rebooting before (without
success), we may not have shut printer down in between
as we did this time.  So usb cable has been removed.
Still a bit hard to understand how this can be the issue.
If the Epson works fine with both attached in Win98, why
won't it work under Linux?

Anyway, my friends setup is a bit closer.  Now if we can
just get X configured nicely for his Rage Pro Turbo.
He is getting ghosting, which I gather implies improper
settings.  Perhaps will post on this later if we cannot
make progress.

Thanks,
Norm Carver

[expert] Printer problem in mdk 7.0

[Norman Carver]

Having set up mdk 7.0-2 on my two PCs and having had
few problems (except for incomplete network setup on one),
I agreed to help a colleague set it up on his PC.
Unfortunately, we have had nothing but problems.

We have resolved the same network issue that I had
(this is obviously a bug in the installation).
X is running after a fashion--though not properly,
since the install did not work with his ATI rage
pro turbo card for some unknown reason.  We can
probably get that fixed up too, though.

However, we are now having a rather strange problem
trying to get printing working.  He has an Epson stylus
900 with usb and parallel port connections, which he has
been using through the usb connection to Win98.  We decided
to switch to the parallel connection for Linux.  We used
the drakconf/printtool to set up the queue and printed a
test page successfully.  Then he rebooted to Win98 and it
installed the printer again via the parallel port and printed
to it successfully.  Back to Linux, but now no response to
an lpr command or to a redirection to /dev/lp0 (the parallel
port being used).  Huh?  It is like the Win98 printer install
did something (although it may just be a coincidence).

Reran drakconf, says that it detects an Epson 900 on /dev/lp0,
but still no luck with printing or redirection.

Here's some of the info we have found:
BIOS shows parallel port being set up at 0x378, with irq 7.
That is what W98 shows for port.  

Rebooting into Linux, lsmod shows the lp, parport, parport_pc,
and parport_probe modules being loaded.  dmesg shows the results
from the probe as detecting a Epson 900 on correct port and address.
Still no luck printing or redirecting a file.  Looking at
/proc/interrupts does NOT show irq 7 assigned to parport.  This
seems strange except my mdk 7.0 with a local Epson printer (which
works fine) also does not have irq 7 set.

If we rmmod the lp and parport modules and then load them by hand
with parport_pc using the io=0x378 and irq=7 options, parport_pc
causes the printer to make some noises (as it does during BIOS phase).
Still, though, no printing or redirection.

I am really at a loss.  parport_probe shows the right printer being
detected and because parport_pc elicits some noise from the printer
the port is clearly right.  Why won't anything come out??


Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  My friend was really hot
to switch to Linux, but is about ready to bag it (though he will
try Caldera first).


One more question I have is why the irq for the parport is not
being set up (e.g., even on my working system) when conf.modules
contains the lines:
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc 
pre-install plip modprobe parport_pc ; echo 7 > /proc/parport/0/irq


Thanks for any assistance,
Norm Carver