[expert] 7.2 nearly unusable
I'm having serious issues with Mandrake 7.2 on one of my machines. For starts, the network refuses to work. For some reason, it's not setting up the routing table properly (the route command is only showing the localhost route). I'm looked thru every config file related to networking I can think (which is quite a few), and everything looks fine. Neither DrakConf nor Linuxconf seem to help, either. I really don't want to have to make a script to manually add the routes each time the system boots - that would be rediculous. I'm not really sure what other relevant information I could give that would help, so let me know if there is anything anyone can think they would need to know to help me. I'm pretty sure I can get everything else fixed (it's a shame I even have to fix anything after a fresh install, but oh well) once I can get my local network (and this internet) access on that machine. By the way, I'm not subscribed to this list - it generates way too much traffic for me. Please reply to my e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Sean Etc. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
[expert] MandrakeUpdate
OK, for starts, I cannot for the life of me find a bug-submission method anywhere on the Linux-Mandrake web-page. Only the mandrakeexpert.com service and pay-for-support options. Is there a better place to post the following problem? Problem: MandrakeUpdate does not seem to deal with dependencies at all - for example, it offered cups 1.1.6 as an update to 1.1.4, but it didn't try to download the now needed libcups files (cups 1.1.4 didn't need libcups, so it wasn't installed). This made it impossible to update cups without manually downloading and installing libcups. For newbies, or just plain lazy people (like me at 4:00 am), this is a Bad Thing (tm). Also, I'm not subscribed to this list, it generates *way* too much traffic for me. If you have a response you'd like me to get, make sure you reply or CC to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sean Middleditch of AwesomePlay Productions, Inc.
Re: [expert] MandrakeUpdate
On 2001.02.05 00:51:27 -0500 Vincent Danen wrote: > On Sun Feb 04, 2001 at 12:12:45PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ > Ah, OK. Couldn't find a link to that anywhere... sorry. > This isn't really a problem with MandrakeUpdate (well, there could be > two schools of thought on this). The problem is that libcups wasn't > previously installed. This is because the update was based off a > version in unsupported which in turn was a 7.2 rebuild based off a > cooker RPM, which has "libified" everything. This will be corrected > tomorrow with "proper 7.2 packages" so this will not be an issue. > Sorry to everyone whom this affected... my test machine had the > unsupported RPMs installed (ie. libcups was already installed), so I > didn't catch this myself. > Ah, so there are no plans for MandrakeUpdate to support proper dependencies? I am under the assumtpion that apt-rpm will be used in the next Mandrake (since it's being used in Cooker), so I suppose putting too much work into the current MandrakeUpdate may be a bit of waste. ^,^ Will the next major release use apt-rpm, or at least have an Updater with proper dependencies? That would make things a *lot* easier. ^,^ Getting MandrakeUpdate as is to deal with dependencies for uninstalled packages would be nice, since it simply uses FTP and doesn't require package lists to be built (or so I'm assuming, for what I've seen). This would be great to 'update' from un-official online archives, like the FreezerBurn list of back-ported packages from Cooker. Just my opinions, anyways. ^,^ Thanks for the answer to my other question! Sean Etc. -- Sean Middleditch of AwesomePlay Productions, Inc.
[expert] X 4, PPP, and Emu10k1
I have 3 large issues with Mandrake 7.1 I need help with... First, how do I enable XF86 4? I selected to install it (yes, with expert installation) when it asked, but it seems that I'm running 3.3.6 (at least, rpm -q XFree86 reports so). I need XF86 4 for my NVidia drivers. Second, how do I configure PPP? I do NOT use KDE, and never will, so please don't tell me what everyone else has: use KPPP. The Gnome-PPP that shipped with Mandrake 7.1 doesn't work (pppd dies), and the PPP configuration option in Linuxconf is gone. I had to manually edit some files, which isn't something I would expect of a distro known for simplicity. Finally, this is more of a warning, the version of the emu10k1 driver that shipped with Mandrake 7.1 had a very serious bug in it that causes an NMI Error to be generated about twice a second on certain hardware-configurations, and logged by syslog. How something like that gets past quality control, I don't know... anyways, you very well may want to post a patch for Mandrake 7.1 right away (for Mandrake Update or what not). Oh, finally, as a question, will Mandrake keep placing icons in my GNOME menu for non-GNOME apps? That 'unified' menu was disgusting (couldn't find anything I was looking for, and those damn ugly KDE-like icons all over the place). I've of course replaced the menu with a normal GNOME one (by deleting the old GNOME menus and installing true Helix GNOME, not the 'partial/hacked' Helix GNOME Mandrake 7.1 shipped with). If so, what program does this? Or was the menu thing merely a packaing issue with the default Mandrake RPMs?
[expert] XFree86 4.01
XFree86 4.01 just came out. How long will it take for MDK 7.1 RPMs to be made? I need 'em since XFree86 4 didn't install like I specifically asked it to when installing MDK 7.1. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] X 4, PPP, and Emu10k1
Stephen Boulet wrote: > On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > I have 3 large issues with Mandrake 7.1 I need help with... > > > > First, how do I enable XF86 4? I selected to install it (yes, with > > expert installation) when it asked, but it seems that I'm running 3.3.6 > > (at least, rpm -q XFree86 reports so). I need XF86 4 for my NVidia > > drivers. > > ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 /etc/X11/X > Ah. I see. OK. Thanks. > > > Second, how do I configure PPP? I do NOT use KDE, and never will, so > > please don't tell me what everyone else has: use KPPP. The Gnome-PPP > > that shipped with Mandrake 7.1 doesn't work (pppd dies), and the PPP > > configuration option in Linuxconf is gone. I had to manually edit some > > files, which isn't something I would expect of a distro known for > > simplicity. > > Give ezppp a try. > I actually prefer just setting up networking the old-fashioned way... by creating a ppp network device. I have one created, and I did hand-edit the files to make the changes I needed to. I'm just surprised Mandrake shipped Linuxconf without the ability to edit these. > > > Finally, this is more of a warning, the version of the emu10k1 driver > > that shipped with Mandrake 7.1 had a very serious bug in it that causes > > an NMI Error to be generated about twice a second on certain > > hardware-configurations, and logged by syslog. How something like that > > gets past quality control, I don't know... anyways, you very well may > > want to post a patch for Mandrake 7.1 right away (for Mandrake Update or > > what not). > > Try a more up-to-date driver. (Sorry, no URL). I am. Latest CVS. I'm was jsut saying maybe there should be an update for Mandrake Update so that people who don't realize it's happening (they might be new to Linux and just think the incredable slowness of the machine is Linux's fault). > -- Stephen
Re: [expert] X 4, PPP, and Emu10k1
Sthitaprajna wrote: > On 2 Jul 00, at 22:48, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > > First, how do I enable XF86 4? I selected to install it (yes, with > > expert installation) when it asked, but it seems that I'm running 3.3.6 > > (at least, rpm -q XFree86 reports so). I need XF86 4 for my NVidia > > drivers. > > Then it prolly means that X4 is not installed. Try doing it al over > again. IIRC, XF4 has a different path than XF3.3.6. Follow the > readme files and you'll be up in no time. > All over again? That's a bit ludicrous. Especially since when it asked me if I wanted to try XF 4, I said yes... I'll see about thatother directory though. Someone else said something along the same lines. Thnaks. > > > Second, how do I configure PPP? I do NOT use KDE, and never will, so > > please don't tell me what everyone else has: use KPPP. The Gnome-PPP > > that shipped with Mandrake 7.1 doesn't work (pppd dies), and the PPP > > configuration option in Linuxconf is gone. I had to manually edit some > > files, which isn't something I would expect of a distro known for > > simplicity. > > Use wvdial. It is something like windows dial-up-networking and > understands a lot of protocols like, PAP, CHAP, etc...It is fairly > easy to set up as well. In addition, you'll have to edit > /etc/resolv.conf to look like: > search [your_ISP's_domain] > nameserver [ISP_nameserver1] > nameserver [ISP_nameserver2] > Does wvdial come with MDK 7.1? > > pppd alos dies when it does'nt find the default route. SO check if > those settngs are correct. If however you want to write your own ppp > script, do a "tknarr xmission linux" search in google, and it takes > you to a nice page where you'll find conf options for ppp, mail, etc. > > OK > > > Sthitaprajna | (at)mailandnews(dot)com > Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] X 4, PPP, and Emu10k1
Stephen Boulet wrote: > On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > I have 3 large issues with Mandrake 7.1 I need help with... > > > > First, how do I enable XF86 4? I selected to install it (yes, with > > expert installation) when it asked, but it seems that I'm running 3.3.6 > > (at least, rpm -q XFree86 reports so). I need XF86 4 for my NVidia > > drivers. > > ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 /etc/X11/X OK, I have XFree86 4 running (after some trouble... the binaries install from tarballs ran smoother on MDK 7.0 than letting MDK 7.1 install it itself... sheesh). I have several questions: For starts, I read this is a "snapshot" release of XFree86 4.0 (on the Mandrake website I believe). Is this the full XF86 4.0 as on the xfre86.org website, or a pre-release merely named 4.0 to fool us? Second, how do I make RPM think I actually have XFree86 4.0 installed, not 3.3.6? I have some RPM's I want installed that require XF86 4.0 (namely my NVidia drivers and a couple beta-status games). Third, since I'm told all of XFree86 4.0 is stored in a weird place on MDK 7.1, am I going to have trouble with packages that try to install into the standard /usr/X11R6 directory such as my NVidia drivers? If so, how do I make this frickin stupid Mandrake configuration work right? This weird packaging of MDK's is getting severely annoying... Finally, should I just go ahead and screw all this and install the binaries of XF86 4.01 from tarballs, or can I rely on Mandrake to supply some properly setup RPMs without a bunch of weird-ass non-standard configurations for once? Sorry for attitude, but for the last few days I've been seriously wishing I just kept my Mandrake 7.0 installation.. MDK 7.0 was the best, and 7.1 is really not impressing me. Again, sorry. I'll try and calm down a bit next time... :) Not your guys' fault, I know. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] X 4, PPP, and Emu10k1
Alan Shoemaker wrote: > Seanmay I share with you a short description of my > approach to running new versions of Linux-Mandrake that I > believe saves me from the kind of frustration that you are > experiencing? > Sure > > I'm running my computer on 7.1, but my 7.0 installation still > exists on the same hard drive as 7.1 is on and if something > happens, even something cataclysmic, with my 7.1 installation > I can immediately boot up on my old 7.0 installation and > continue where I left off a month ago. > If only I had the space... (this from someone with a 27.2 GB hard-drive, and an unused 16.5 GB Windoze hard-drive) > > When I installed 7.1 I did a new install on fresh partitions, > not an upgrade over my old 7.0 installation. Then, after > testing out the new 7.1 installation, I copied my 7.0 /home > and /root directories to the 7.1 file system and reinstalled > any extra software that still didn't work (/user & /opt stuff > mainly). > Ya, except I'm too lazy for that. ~,^ I honestly didn't expect any problems. I loved Mandrake 7.0, and am (slowly) starting to love 7.1... although I wouldn't recommend it to an experienced Linux user unless they like lots of work. It would be great for Linux-newbies (whom I expect it was targeted at). > > After that I began to use the new 7.1 installation daily and > abandoned the old 7.0 installation. But it's still there in > case I need it and I'll leave it there till I erase the > partitions and install 7.2 in its place. > > It took me a couple of hours to get 7.1 up to speed with my > personal stuff, but at any time, if a problem would have > occurred I could have simply gone back to my intact 7.0 > system. I've been doing it this way (with some refinements) > since version 5.2. I've never done an upgrade (too many > horror stories). > Ya, I've got everything up and running, too. I'm mostly all set now,. The only thing left is getting my NVidia drivers in and seeing about upgrading to XF 4.01 (which has some nice things I need, like mostly-working DGA 1.0 compatibility). > > Alan > > Sean Middleditch wrote: > [snip] > [snip] > > Sorry for attitude, but for the last few days I've been seriously wishing > > I just kept my Mandrake 7.0 installation.. MDK 7.0 was the best, and 7.1 is > > really not impressing me. Again, sorry. I'll try and calm down a bit next > > time... :) Not your guys' fault, I know. > > > > Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] KPPP problems with Mandrake 7.1
Jon Hewitt wrote: > Heeep! > > After installing MD7.1 I found that KPPP would not work, it would dial,make > the connection and seeminly login, then immediately log off. I found that > going to DrakConf/Network Configuration/PPP/Slip/Plip I could make the > connection, close everything and reset my modem, THEN I could make the > connection with KPPP and this was good until I rebooted linux again. > Then I would have to go thru the whole routine again. You have PPP option under DrakConf/Network Configuration? Someone please explain then why I _don't_? Where exactly did I wrong? Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] Failed MDK 7.0 Installation
«[-®ºmmë£^£ºvë§^£ºµ©4룣ë-]» wrote: > Nope, but I tried installing it on another CPU with AMD K6-2 and 64 MB RAM > but it still hangs-up on the same part ... could it be the partitioning of > the hard disk ?? Depends. What partitions did you make using Windoze FDISK? You didn't try to make the Linux partition with it, did you? My suggestion would be to delete any non Windoze partitions, and using the Mandrake install program to create them. Besides, you're going to want more than one partition for Linux anyways. You're going to want a swap space (it's much faster having the dedicated partition than using the swap-files), and probably a boot partition as far up the front of the drive as possible, since the version of LILO shipper with MDK 7.0 (and 7.1) has the 1024 sector limit... which means you'd have to use a boot disk if you don't have the kernel stuck up 1024 or less to the front of the hard-drive. The latest version of LILO doesn't have that problem, however, so if you download it you can avoid the need for a boot partition (and boot disk). Anyways, as to the hanging up, I would say it's possible, but unlikely it'd freeze where you said it was. You might also want to check the motherboards and see if they are Linux compatible (some motherboards are really weird and thus no drivers work with them yet). But I'd try the partitioning thing first. Just delete any Linux partitions you made with Windoze and recreate them with the MDK installer, if it lets you sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] Failed MDK 7.0 Installation
«[-®ºmmë£^£ºvë§^£ºµ©4룣ë-]» wrote: > > Depends. What partitions did you make using Windoze FDISK? You didn't > try to > > make the Linux partition with it, did you? My suggestion would be to > delete > > any non Windoze partitions, and using the Mandrake install program to > create > > them. > > Yes, but i wanna have dual boot ... windoze and linux i'd have to > install windoze before linux to make it easier for me, right ? > Doesn't matter, actually, The onyl problem is Windoze over-rights the boot-loader, so you have to boot from a disk after installing Windoze to reinstall the boot-loader. > > ok ... my single hard disk which is 8 GB is partitioned into three ... i'd > like hda1 (C:) to contain windoze; hda2 (D:) to contain all of the Linux > system (which is logically divided into sub-partitions, for /root, /home, > ...), and lastly hda3 (E:) which contains my Mandrake 7.0 Installation > files (since I dont have any CD ...) > Ok, for starts, I'd move the installation files off a 3 GB partition.. that's kindof a waste... put them on the Windoze partition if you have room. If not, make a smaller partition for them (a CD holds 650 MB, so 700 should be fine) Now, delete ALL the partition on your drive EXCEPT the Windoze paritition and the installation partition (if you're using it). Then, the install program will let you create partitions using Linux FDISK, which is a much better way of doing things. Also, I'd really suggest buying a CD. Goto www.cheapbytes.com, you can order CD's for 1.99 (for MDK 7.0) and 3.99 (for MDK 7.1), plus s&h. The CD is a lot easier to handle, and wont get erased if Windoze thrashes your hard-drive like mine keeps doing... (thank the Gods Linux has its own hard-drive on my machine...) > > please help me divide this 8 GB hard disk ... thank you ... Basically, I'd keep your 3 GB Windoze partition, make a 10 MB boot partition (if you can't get this within the first 1024 cylinders of your hard-drive, it won't be useful anyways, so skip that). I'd then give a third of what's left to /home, and the rest to /. Then again, that may not work out too well, since I'm used to having much larger hard-drives and I have about 12 Linux partitions for one installation. Maybe someone else can help with this... But what I said tends to give good results to others. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mandrake 7.0 should have an option to automatically setup partitions on your drive that work well. I'm not sure how that works, though, since I hand-create my partitions with FDISK. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] PPP Dial on demand, HD, and multiple IPs
"Bob Puff@NLE" wrote: > Hello, > > #1. I recently got pppd set up to dial on demand (without the aide of diald). Seems >to be working ok. However, today, I was just walking into my room, and I heard the >modem dial out. There was -no- client of any sort running on either the linux box, >or the one computer that is attached to it. Nothing at all! Is there a way to fix >this? > How do you set up PPPD to do this? That is cool! I've been searching for something like that! Please tell me how it is done! > > #2. I posted some stuff before, but no one has replied to this. My hard drive is >accessed at least once every 3-5 seconds. Nothing is connected to the web, no >clients are accessing anything, and nothing is being logged. Why is this? How can >this be fixed? > Do you have an emu10k1? Mandrake shipped a version of the driver for that that had serious (and I mean SERIOUS) bugs, one that caused a major NMI error to be reported about once a second or so (and syslog would grab it, and store it on your hard-drive). Check your /var/log/messages for any line with NMI in it. If you find a bunch of error messages, there is your problem. If not, maybe /var/log/messages will have some help anyways. ~,^ > > #3. I will be getting a high speed internet connection soon with a handful of IPs. >How do I make my machine answer to more than one IP address? I have one machine set >up as a router, and another as a http server. Both will need to be configured for >this. > > Thanks > > Bob > > P.S. Please CC your reply to me directly, as it seems to take 3 days before I can >see the reply. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Vi editor package
Anton Graham wrote: > Submitted 05-Jul-00 by ATL Oledog: > > I have Redhat installed on my box, but there is no vi. What package > > contains it? > I believe there is only vim. Vi on steroids, basically. Very nice. Try that instead. Sean Middleditch > > [anton@bladehawke anton]$ which vi > /bin/vi > [anton@bladehawke anton]$ rpm -qf $(which vi) > vim-minimal-5.6-18mdk > [anton@bladehawke anton]$ > > -- >_ > _|_|_ > ( ) *Anton Graham > /v\ / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > /( )X > (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 > Penguin Powered!
Re: [expert] gnome-core install problem
"Schroeder, Brian" wrote: > I got the following error when trying to install the gnome-core > package from the "cooker" : > > rpm -Uvh gnome-core-1.2.1-7mdk.i586.rpm > gnome-core unpacking of archive > failed: cpio: Bad magic > Segmentation fault Perhaps the package was corrupted during the download? Try re-downloading it. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] XFree86 4.01
Denis Havlik wrote: > :~>XFree86 4.01 just came out. > :~> > :~>How long will it take for MDK 7.1 RPMs to be made? I need 'em since > :~>XFree86 4 didn't install like I specifically asked it to when installing > :~>MDK 7.1. > > Look in cooker, I reckon these RPM-s are already there. > How trustworthy are these RPM's? For example, the install on MDK 7.1 said the Xfree86 4.0 is was installing was only a 'snapshot release.' The really upsets me if it is, because it sure as hell wasn't advertised as being so... If not, then that's just another example of MDK's poor quality control when it comes to installations. Ack, ranting, sorry. Just woke up. ~,^ Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] php
Daniel Hammer wrote: > BS"D > > Hi, > > I am trying to get php working on my webserver, but > even simple scripts like > > > PHP Test > > "; ?> > > > Hi. Make sure you have PHP configured in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. For example, when I installed MDK 7.1, PHP was enables, but not for index pages with a .phtml extension, so I had to change that. Just make sure it is all set up. Also, check the php3.ini file. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] Dial on Demand
Sheldon Lee Wen wrote: > [snip] > > > Why don't you contribute your stuff about DoD to the > > mandrakeuser.org and merge it with the stuff Tom has already > > gathered there? > > > > We try to show the MUO as a part of our support system and it > > would be great if this site would get more of the excellent > > solutions I often see on this list. > > > > I'm sure Tom would appreciate it. > > Sure if you could get him to actuall post the stuff you send him. > I've sent him things a few time (in feb) and they still aren't posted > so I stopped trying. > What about making it into a HOWTO for the LDP? After all, that's a Hell of a lot more useful to people than the Mandrake-User site. For starts, a Linux HOWTO is usable by everyone with a recent version of PPPD and CHAT, and the Mandrake-User site has got to be the single worst document site I have ever visited: the layout needs a make-over, there needs to be a message posting/discussion capability for every available document (one or two of them really need more explanation), and that green honestly offends my eyeballs (note: and my favorite color IS green, too). In any event, a HOWTO submitted to the LDP would be really nice. A lot of their documentation is still incomplete or out-of-date, especially the dial-up stuff. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] This thing called "C".
vern wrote: > Hello all, > I'm a budding C/C++ coder and have signed > up for a class for beginning C/C++ students. > All is fine till I get to "Code Warrior" and > being of little means, I can only afford to get > the "starters version" in Windoze verses the > "real version" for Linux that's $49 vs. $90 so > I guess I will take a course in Windoze C++. I > hope the lessons learned will apply to "Code > Crusader" or KDevelop which I already have. Does > anyone know of any classes on the Web for Linux?? > Is there an "open source University" yet?? > vern Well, any good university will have UNIX programming courses. I'm taking a class at a community college write now in advanced C++ (unfortunately, I knew all of it before I got into the class, so it was a bit of a waste), and as for cost, well, I'm not even a senior in high school yet and I have both time and money to take these courses. Also, I don't recommend buying an IDE... You could have gotten the Borland IDE for free, which used to be the best (until Microsoft made it near impossible to get anything useful done in Windows without VC++). And Linux of course has many good ones (KDevelop if you're a KDE fanatic, CodeCommander if you're a GNOME lover, and the command line if you're just plain smart ~,^ ). KDevelop I believe is the best graphical IDE I've seen so far (VC++ has some really niftified features, but I believe the latest KDevelop has most/all of them). CodeCommander is a pleasure to use, although its not quite up to par (yet), and the command-line is more integrated than anything else, since you can use ANY tell to help you get your work done, i.e. you're whole system is integrated to help get development done. But that's just an opinion... (what can I say, I was taught to program on DOS with Turbo C++ and DJGPP by a UofM UNIX sys admin major when I was 12, the command line's power pulses thru my veins!!) OK, minus all the bull, check out the O'Reilly books. They are the best. Period. Anything from learning something, to mastering to, to specific uses, to references, O'Reilly has a book for it, and I will guarantee it will be one of the best. I haven't read an O'Reilly C++ book, but I have glanced thru them, and they surely beat everything I have on my bookshelf. One of these I might just pick one up if I ever find a need for more C++ stuff (which I doubt I will, unfortunately). Yadda yadda yadda, there I go babbling on for two-hundred pages for somthing relatively simple... ::sigh:: Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] Dial on Demand
> Ever read the HOWTO HOWTO? For the DocBook unaware, there's a big hurdle to > overcome if you want to submit it. If there's a way to submit without > DocBook, I'm listening since I will have a few things to contribute or > update myself. > > Hoyt DocBook converters work quite nicely if you write in text/HTML. do a search on freshmeat for one. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] XFree86 4.01
Anton Graham wrote: > Submitted 10-Jul-00 by Sean Middleditch: > > > How trustworthy are these RPM's? > > > > For example, the install on MDK 7.1 said the Xfree86 4.0 is was installing was > > only a 'snapshot release.' The really upsets me if it is, because it sure as > > hell wasn't advertised as being so... If not, then that's just another > > example of MDK's poor quality control when it comes to installations. > > Have you visited www.xfree86.org? XF4 is not ready for primetime > according to them, which is why every other distro oly offers XF3. > While many of us, myself included, are able to run it with no > difficulty, it is experimental sofware, part of being on Mandrake's > "bleeding edge," not poor quality control. > A snapshot release of XF86 4.0 and the fact that 4.0 isn't ready for prime-time are two different things altogether... a snapshot would mean either a) based off of code before 4.0 was released, which would be unstable, or b) code after 4.0 but before 4.01, in between releases, which would be unstable. Bleeding edge would be a non-snapshot of 4.0. Perhaps they simply mis-used the work snapshot, but it worried me none-the-less. Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] php
Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > > Hi. Make sure you have PHP configured in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. > > For example, when I installed MDK 7.1, PHP was enables, but not for > > index pages with a .phtml extension, so I had to change that. Just make > > sure it is all set up. Also, check the php3.ini file. > > Beware, as .phtml is for PHP/FI (php2), and is not supported anymore. All > new scripts should have ".php" as their extension. Really? I had always thought it the other way around... My mistake. ^,^ Sean Middleditch > Jean-Michel Dault > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Dial on Demand
toyswins wrote: > Maybe I'm not getting it right, but I went to your information and built > the files. I did the ifup ppp0 and it dialed. I did the ifdown ppp0 > and it disconnected. I then made chat-isp and modified the options > files. I also made the isp file in peers. When I tried to invoke pppd > call isp, nothing. I went back and verified all the files, quotes, etc > were correct. The only thing I can think of is that the modem string is > bad? I deleted most of the modem string leaving in only the basics for > it and still, nothing. I would think it would at least make the little > lights go blinky-blinky. Nothing still. > Um, no. This is dail-on demand. It SHOULDN'T do anything. The pppd daemon should just run in the background (check with: ps -ax | grep pppd If it's not there, THEN you have a problem. Otherwise, try to ping an external server (like ping www.linux-mandrake.com), and the connection will be brought up. If not, you then have a problem. The connection will be brought down if the link is idle for the specified amount of time. BTW, as a note, for those of you that want to be able to bring down the link at any time: Go grab the latest pppd (search on freshmeat), and install the daemon binary from that. Then, change the holdoff line in /etc/ppp/options to 0. Now, if you send a SIGHUP to pppd, it will close the link, but leave the line up. If holdoff isn't 0, it will dial back in, however (SIGHUP actually means close the link, then reconnect). For some reason, the version of pppd that came with Mandrake 7.1 (2.3.11) will misbehave if you set holdoff to 0 (i.e., it waits about 5 minutes then dials in: why, I don't know). This is nice for those of you that need a way to quickly close the connection, but want to leave the daemon running. I'd suggest a simple setuid root app that signals pppd, and then set its group to pppusers and its permission to 750. That makes life even easier. ^,^ Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] questions...
Janar Kokk wrote: > Hi, > > Can anybody tell me the format of hosts.deny and hosts.allow files? > > Is it possible to not let users to open any ports. Like 6667 > > Regards, > Janar Kokk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you mean something like a firewall to stop them from receiving/starting connections over specified ports? If so, you're gonna wanna look at ipchains, not the hosts.deny/hosts.allow files. Those are for allowing/denying access to services on your machine. If that IS what you're looking for, check the man pages (man hosts.allow, man hosts.deny); Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] XFree86 4.01
Civileme wrote: > As I recall, the release of XFree86 4.0 made it just under the wire for the 7.1 code > freeze. You will find terms not used in a standard manner here. For example, the > "beta" of development is just frozen code--nothing new to be added, but it does NOT > mean that all the in-house discoverable bugs have been found. Some beta-testers have > been bitterly critical about that but it was just the most appropriate term to use > which approximately paralleled a radically different development model. Snapshot is > snapshot--not nightly build, and it means that there was not adequate time before the > code freeze to do anything to the release--so the debugging was short. If you decide > to hang around, the terms will take on new meanings or perhaps you will invent some > terms for the folks to use which describes the development system and its aspects and > products. > > Civileme OK. That makes a lot of sense. I'll take you word for it. ~,^ BTW, speaking of XFree86 4.0, I still haven't upgraded to the 4.01 RPMs (although I donwloaded them). I am wondering, what about X-Libs and such packages... the only 4.01 packages on the Cooker mirrors are XFree86-server and the 3dfx driver. Why are all the other packages still 3.3.6? I am of the understanding that all those packages have been changed since 3.3.6, and they'd all have to be upgraded... seeing as how XF85 4.0 is working fine on my system with only XFree86-4.0-server installed, I see that's not quite the case. Does that oen package install ALL the XFree86 4.01 software (which the file size certainly doesn't suggest), or what? I'm incredably confused... (and still pretty determined to just install with tarball like I did with MDK 7.0...) Sean Middleditch
Re: [expert] rdate and dial on demand
Dennis Robertson wrote: > Hello List, > I have been using a script provided by Alan Shoemaker back in Feb to run rdate > as an hourly cron job. This sets the time when I am connected. Now I am using > dial on demand the cron job initiates a connection every hour, which I don't > want. Can anyone provide a script which will tell rdate to run each time I > connect and then keep quiet, please? Socketwatch and Clockwise are 2 programs > that do this in Windows. > PPPD can be configured to run a script after starting the link. run man pppd To find the right option (I don't recall right now). Just make a script like something in /etc/ppp/connect-script, put everything you want in there (flush postfix quees, run fetchmail, rdate, whatever), and there ya go. Sean Middleditch > > TIA > > -- > Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 > Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mob: 0419 535539 > > >Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hoyt wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Civileme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:34 AM > > Subject: [expert] RIGHT CLICK--NEW -> Folder > > > > > > > > Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_? > > > > > > This is something not to be done, for many reasons, including the fact > > that you > > > get kicked from most IRC servers. > > > > > > > I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality > > of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have decided is > > inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed > > paternalistic coercion is awfully Microsoft-ish. Is this the direction > > Mandrake is heading? Yuck! > > > > Hoyt > > Hear! Hear!! ... One of the several reasons I switched from Mandrake to > SuSE!!!. Sorry, not to be rude ( honestly I mean that ), but if you knew enough of what you were doing to safely run as root, this 'disabilities' wouldn't cause a problem. Sean Middleditch > simon
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
Fran Parker wrote: > Not everyone wants or needs to take the kind of chances you do. > Not everyone wants or needs to, as you suggest, reinstall due to > running as root and opening yourself up to invasion and loss. > Not everyone wants or needs to take the unnecessary time to do > that...su is not hard! I think you're being just a tad over-dramatic there... I have to run as root for very long periods of time (setting a server for DNS+HTTPD+dial in, and copying a Support Web system I made over, and setting up MySQL... about 4 hours logged in only as root getting this all set up) and never have any problems. The only serious issue I've had so far is when I installed my new motherboard, and that's because I deleted the parition /boot was mounted to (it needed to be redone to install lilo, since I wasn't using another hard-drive as primary any more). Other than that, I've never screwed up a system as root. > If everyone wanted this kind of abuse ... they could have stayed > with Windows and gotten all they wanted!
Re: [expert] Freedoms Past
Pelon wrote: > A disturbing trend in this modern age > is that we feel compelled to protect us from > ourselves. Microsoft offered up a convenient > black box that protected us from the horrors of > it's inner truth. Linux was to be the answer to > that ignorance-by-consent. > > I began using Linux over two years ago for the > sole reason that I could see inside. I could > break it, rebuild it, tease it, and shape it as I > pleased. I could play god, or "root" as it were. > > But now that the general public has turned on to > Linux, there are pressures to see it controlled. > No one wants to see anyone hurt themselves. The > public must be protected. > > As Mandrake, Redhat, or any other distribution > begins to feel the heat of a distraught public, > certain measures must be taken. Mandrake's new > security restrictions are what the public is > asking for. > > Many of us are upset that our former freedoms > have been robbed of us in the latest release. If > there was ever a higher purpose to the Linux > operating system, these changes are it's defeat. > > I would recommend two new classes of installation: > > 1. protect me from myself > 2. let me be free > > pelon I'd suggest just using another distribution; that's the point of distros, to pick one that suits your tastes. Mandrake seems to be aiming more for the newbie/average desktop user, while distros like Slackware are aimed for experienced power users (I fall in the middle... power-user who enjoys a GUI for everything but coding... sucks to be me). If a distro like Mandrake tried to accomadate everyone: servers, desktop, power user, shell freak, hacker (good meaning of the word), hacker (bad meaning of the word), and gamer, they'd have a slight problem. I mean, in order to be good at one thing, you have to lack in other areas. And offering all those install options would make bug/beta testing even harder (something I fear Mandrake has to do a bit better as it is), could very well increase the install size to that of SuSE (even requiring 2 CDs for essentianal packages now is just plain ridiculous - that much crap isn't needed). If you want choice, you have it. SuSE, RH, Mandrake, Debian, Corel, Yellow dog, Slackware, and some 1,000,000 more I can't think of right now. If you want a good distro, well, you still have all the above. ~,^ Sean Middleditch
[expert] Disk Usage
All of my system monitor applications (I first noticed with gtop) refuse to completely run... they lock up, and a process listings says they're in 'disk sleep' or somesuch. I'm assuming they're trying to get disk information, and they're blocking on one of the devices, though I know not which... Any ideas? Sean Middleditch
[expert] Kernel Panic - weird error
First, if this is the wrong list for help questions, please let me know - I've been searching for answers to this since 10 am (it's 1:20 pm now), and this is the last resource I can find that might offer some help. ~,^ I've installed the Linux-Mandrake 7.2 distro (which uses kernel version 2.2.17) on a PIII system (Asus motherboard, Award Medallion v6.0 BIOS). For some reason, neither LILO nor Grub were able to boot off of the second hard-drive (where Linux is). I've copied over the kernel, and a few other LILO files to a Windows partition on the primary drive. Now, LILO can load the kernel, and the kernel begins to boot. First, I noticed this during the IDE detection: hdd [PTBL] [784/255/53] hdd1 < hdd5 hdd6 > I've never seen the "[PTBL] [784/255/53]" part before on any Linux system, so I was unsure if this was important. Then, after the raid detection (no, I don't have one, this is a default Mandrake kernel), I get this error: "Invalid session number or type of track" which, after searching through the kernel sources, I found was an isofs error. Right after this error, I get a kernel panic, unable to mount root fs... The drives are configued like this - Maxtor 27GB on primary IDE (UDMA/66), master Creative DVD 5x on secondary IDE (UDMA/33), master Quantum 6GB on secondary IDE (UDMA/33), slave Linux is on the Quantum 6GB hard-drive. Windows is installed on the Maxter 27GB. Windows boots fine with or without LILO. I've had older versions of Linux running before on this system. I'm confused as to why this is happening, although I suspect a faulty BIOS. I've also suspected that there may be a problem with the hard-drive on the secondary IDE bus being slave with the DVD drive as master, as I'm told this is usually a Bad Idea; although I'm not allowed to move it (it's not my machine), and the owner (my father) doesn't want to move anything unless he absolutely has to, which I've yet to convince him of (after all, Windows works, and that's all he uses - for now). If there's any other info I should give, please let me know. And yes, I have sent this to the kernel list... a few people told me I should send this here instead, since (I quote) "Mandrake has patched the hell out of their kernel to the point where it's difficult to tell exactly what they have done." And that makes perfect sense. ~,^ Thank you, Sean Etc. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] When will 7.2 get to the stores in the US?
I just saw the first shipment in Borders, here in Michigan. I was torn between that and new Ruby book (is that included with MDK 7.2?), but since I already have the download version of 7.2, I grabbed the Ruby book. Aren't I evil? Sean Etc. Andy Judge wrote: > Does anyone know when 7.2 will be in the stores in the US? I haven't seen > any around yet. > > > Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: > Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
