Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:41:36 -0700 Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > James wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:32:44PM + : > > > > I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often. It > > too has an intel all in one Mobo. What kind I'm not sure as this > > box is an > > service apmd stop > chkconfig apmd off already done > > Install another fan (ie keep the CPU/HD cooler than they are now). CPU core temp never gets above 35.5C so cooling is not a problem (box has hdd fans chasiss fan and CPU fan. )> > Compile a custom kernel removing some things that you know you don't > use (saw that comment from someone elsewhere in the thread and I think > it's a good idea). Doing that one next. James > > Blue skies... Todd > -- > Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because > that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn >Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:32:44PM + : > > I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often. It too > has an intel all in one Mobo. What kind I'm not sure as this box is an service apmd stop chkconfig apmd off Install another fan (ie keep the CPU/HD cooler than they are now). Compile a custom kernel removing some things that you know you don't use (saw that comment from someone elsewhere in the thread and I think it's a good idea). Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55950/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:50:43 -0700 Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > James wrote on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:55:34PM + : > > > > before it starts loosing stability. Lose of stability comes in the > > form of programs won't start or die suddenly etc. Then when this > > starts to happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal. > > Top shows no runaway programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% > > bit a mean average of about 20% (I really don't do anything that > > intense) Swap never > > Other suggestions: > 1) 'killall artsd' (assuming you're running KDE, you won't be able to > share /dev/dsp anymore) Did it already. No change. > 2) Any Western Digital hard drives? I've been around to long to make that mistake. *grin* > 3) 'dmesg' Look for any kind of errors accessing the hard drive. None. That's why the 80gig . hdparm has it at 56mbps This number stays relatively consistant. When the box starts "dying" however hdparm like other applications can't start. > 4) 'hdparm -t /dev/hda' or whatever your hard drive is. Do it right > after bootup, and do it when it starts to slow down, and do it when > it's barely crawling. No changes. It doesn't slow down... things just start dieing or being unable to start. Speed of the drives doesn't change a bit. > 5) If you ssh to it from another box, is it strange there as well > (trying to rule out the display as a culprit). Yes it can be strange. If X dies I have about 2 - 3 minutes before the box locks up totally. Can't even SSH into it but if I'm already in the session doesn't die... just the box is locked to input from keyboard. I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often. It too has an intel all in one Mobo. What kind I'm not sure as this box is an HP Pavillion It's been running Mandrake Linux since 7.2. With RH 6.4 and SuSe 6.2 on it before that. The only commonality between them otherwise is that both run KDE3 instead of KDE2.2. That and the fact that they both use the i810 drivers (the pavillion is i810 the ASUS is i815 chipsets. or their drivers.) One point to note, when lilo is set to devfs=mount and I do ctrl-alt-f1(or any other f key) X dies within seconds of the switch and requires a reboot in order to restart it. (Same case on both boxes) One point to note. I've got 2 k-6's and 1 pentium running the same software setup that are rock solid. (the pentium is dog slow but solid.) Maybe it is the chipset. I've put in an older Voodoo video card I had (PCI) and a trident AGP without change. So it's probably not the onboard video. As always thanks for the help. My next step on this box is to install FreeBSD into a spare partition for dual booting and see if conditions are the same. > > Blue skies... Todd > -- > Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because > that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn >Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:55:34PM + : > > before it starts loosing stability. Lose of stability comes in the form > of programs won't start or die suddenly etc. Then when this starts to > happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal. Top shows no > runaway programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% bit a mean average > of about 20% (I really don't do anything that intense) Swap never Other suggestions: 1) 'killall artsd' (assuming you're running KDE, you won't be able to share /dev/dsp anymore) 2) Any Western Digital hard drives? 3) 'dmesg' Look for any kind of errors accessing the hard drive. 4) 'hdparm -t /dev/hda' or whatever your hard drive is. Do it right after bootup, and do it when it starts to slow down, and do it when it's barely crawling. 5) If you ssh to it from another box, is it strange there as well (trying to rule out the display as a culprit). Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55933/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote: > Sorry it took so long to get back. I'm approaching stable.. I > removed devfsd. However all it's really done is lengthen the time > between reboots. The box can sit on but unused for about 10 hours or so > before it starts loosing stability. Lose of stability comes in the form > of programs won't start or die suddenly etc. Then when this starts to > happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal. Top shows no > runaway programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% bit a mean average > of about 20% (I really don't do anything that intense) Hmm, your load sounds fairly high to me -- when I'm not doing anything the load sits around 1 - 1.5% system and 0% user, and depending on what I'm doing the user load varies significantly -- anywhere from 1 to 100%. Just an observation, don't have any idea whether it is a meaningful difference or is related at all to your problem. I run Mandrake 8.2 on a 700 MHz Duron with 256 MB Ram. Still at kde 2.2, not running sound or any servers. Randy Kramer > Swap never > occurs on this box as I have 384 megs ram. Ran MemTest for 12 hours and > memory checks fine. This same box ran 8.1 fine for about 4 months. The > kernel I'm using now and before under 8.1 is a win4lin kernel. Hardware > > 1. ASUS TUSL-2 Motherboard. > 2. 3c905c Nic > 3. SBLive Sound > 4. OnBoard Video > 5. Maxtor 80gb HDD > 6. 384 megs ram > 7. floppy > 8. ASUS CDRW > > Running XFree86 4.0.2 from the distro. KDE3 instead of KDE2.(texstar > version) All updates are current. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:43:00 -0700 James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:38:41 -0700 > Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > > > James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:04:16PM -0700 : > > > Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly. But X > > > etc cannot start. NO error messages just a hang. Leaving the > > > box alone for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into > > > and is totally frozen. No error messages. No log records it > > > seems that X and Linux think they are ok just it's not > > > working. X never fails.. nor does > > > > If you run top with a refresh rate of 1 second, do you slowly see > > the load climbing? > > Haven't tried that will do later tonight and report... right now I've > got to finish a web page. *grin* > > If you do ps ax frequently do you see processes with a > > status of "D"? > > I've looked for D and Z listings. None found. > > Just trying to isolate exactly what it is that is > > causing the system to come to a crawl. If it's in kernel space, it > > could be very difficult to determine what it is that's causing it. > > > > Do you have a zip drive? If so, delete the /etc/cron.hourly/msec > > and/etc/cron.daily/msec links and see if the symptoms remain the > > same. > > No Zip but I did remove msec . mostly cause I'm to lazy to make > all the hand changes I needed to. *grin* > > > > > Blue skies... Todd > > Todd one last thing thanks Sorry it took so long to get back. I'm approaching stable.. I removed devfsd. However all it's really done is lengthen the time between reboots. The box can sit on but unused for about 10 hours or so before it starts loosing stability. Lose of stability comes in the form of programs won't start or die suddenly etc. Then when this starts to happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal. Top shows no runaway programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% bit a mean average of about 20% (I really don't do anything that intense) Swap never occurs on this box as I have 384 megs ram. Ran MemTest for 12 hours and memory checks fine. This same box ran 8.1 fine for about 4 months. The kernel I'm using now and before under 8.1 is a win4lin kernel. Hardware 1. ASUS TUSL-2 Motherboard. 2. 3c905c Nic 3. SBLive Sound 4. OnBoard Video 5. Maxtor 80gb HDD 6. 384 megs ram 7. floppy 8. ASUS CDRW Running XFree86 4.0.2 from the distro. KDE3 instead of KDE2.(texstar version) All updates are current. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:29:42 -0400 daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Todd Lyons wrote: > | James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 : > | > |> Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the > |> results. Oh and for my camera and my usb printer. They haven't > |> changed functionality since I got rid of devfs. Maybe because > |> devfs set them up at first. I'm just getting tired of rebooting > |> Linux. > | > | > | Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your > | regular mode? Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities > | (but not always). You might have to go one step further and remove > | some modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login) > | or 5(graphical login), it will load the required modules back. If > | something is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you > | might get the busy error message. The only advice I can offer is > | remove the modules in > > O yeah...I've been seeing that one alot lately on the one Mandrake > client when it tries to umount the samba shares being shared from the > server. they're always busy for some reason and don't want to unmount. > > Linux to Linux Samba shares is not a fun thing I'm finding out. > > Mark Yep Single user mode is runlevel 1 but it won't go back to runlevel 5 completely. At runlevel one no modules are loaded so then when I telinit 5 ... all get reloaded (without error I might add).Also this happens no matter what window manager I use. If I leave the box on at night ... in the am applications can't start, and the box slowly loses X. The error at this point in XFree86.0.log was somthing like ( I lost this log entry during a hard crash... scrambled var/log.) X session died unexpectedly no other entry or info. James PS for Civilme I don't use WesternDigital... won't either. > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE9FnYEJuZ1geTzHgERAkrbAJ9jAcOWWXuryEhSKm0yiaa6YAtkyACg2p9g > PJmD3pHbylmzztERC5brZ+o= > =S2qo > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:38:41 -0700 Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:04:16PM -0700 : > > Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly. But X > > etc cannot start. NO error messages just a hang. Leaving the > > box alone for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into and > > is totally frozen. No error messages. No log records it seems that > > X and Linux think they are ok just it's not working. X never > > fails.. nor does > > If you run top with a refresh rate of 1 second, do you slowly see the > load climbing? Haven't tried that will do later tonight and report... right now I've got to finish a web page. *grin* If you do ps ax frequently do you see processes with a > status of "D"? I've looked for D and Z listings. None found. Just trying to isolate exactly what it is that is > causing the system to come to a crawl. If it's in kernel space, it > could be very difficult to determine what it is that's causing it. > > Do you have a zip drive? If so, delete the /etc/cron.hourly/msec and > /etc/cron.daily/msec links and see if the symptoms remain the same. No Zip but I did remove msec . mostly cause I'm to lazy to make all the hand changes I needed to. *grin* > > Blue skies... Todd Todd one last thing thanks > -- > Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because > that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn >Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:04:16PM -0700 : > Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly. But X etc > cannot start. NO error messages just a hang. Leaving the box alone > for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into and is totally > frozen. No error messages. No log records it seems that X and Linux > think they are ok just it's not working. X never fails.. nor does If you run top with a refresh rate of 1 second, do you slowly see the load climbing? If you do ps ax frequently do you see processes with a status of "D"? Just trying to isolate exactly what it is that is causing the system to come to a crawl. If it's in kernel space, it could be very difficult to determine what it is that's causing it. Do you have a zip drive? If so, delete the /etc/cron.hourly/msec and /etc/cron.daily/msec links and see if the symptoms remain the same. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55635/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Lyons wrote: | James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 : | |> Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the results. |>Oh and for my camera and my usb printer. They haven't changed |>functionality since I got rid of devfs. Maybe because devfs set them up |>at first. I'm just getting tired of rebooting Linux. | | | Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your | regular mode? Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities (but | not always). You might have to go one step further and remove some | modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login) or 5 | (graphical login), it will load the required modules back. If something | is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you might get the busy | error message. The only advice I can offer is remove the modules in O yeah...I've been seeing that one alot lately on the one Mandrake client when it tries to umount the samba shares being shared from the server. they're always busy for some reason and don't want to unmount. Linux to Linux Samba shares is not a fun thing I'm finding out. Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9FnYEJuZ1geTzHgERAkrbAJ9jAcOWWXuryEhSKm0yiaa6YAtkyACg2p9g PJmD3pHbylmzztERC5brZ+o= =S2qo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly. But X etc cannot start. NO error messages just a hang. Leaving the box alone for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into and is totally frozen. No error messages. No log records it seems that X and Linux think they are ok just it's not working. X never fails.. nor does it start. At all times I get a message in ps-ax that kdm is trying to start. If I do a killall X or try to kill the start for kdm it can't kill it. I have to go back to runlevel 3 via telinit. StartX from runlevel 3 at that point hangs in a simular manor. I've restarted xfs and it restarts and runs without error. Once I leave runlevel 5 the only way to return to a functional runlevel 5 environment is via a reboot. James On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:42:36 -0700 Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:32:14PM -0700 : > > > > Yep first thing I did.. telinit 3 . cannot return to runlevel 5 > > telinit 1 cannot return to run level 5 .. reboot. > > What do you mean "cannot return to runlevel 5"? That's an error > message I've never seen before. Same thing happens if you just run > 'init 5'? Should since it's just a symlink, but just curious. > > Blue skies... Todd > -- > Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because > that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn >Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:32:14PM -0700 : > > Yep first thing I did.. telinit 3 . cannot return to runlevel 5 > telinit 1 cannot return to run level 5 .. reboot. What do you mean "cannot return to runlevel 5"? That's an error message I've never seen before. Same thing happens if you just run 'init 5'? Should since it's just a symlink, but just curious. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55628/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:59:46 -0700 Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 : > >Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the > >results. Oh and for my camera and my usb printer. They haven't > >changed functionality since I got rid of devfs. Maybe because > >devfs set them up at first. I'm just getting tired of rebooting > >Linux. > > Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your > regular mode? Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities > (but not always). You might have to go one step further and remove > some modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login) > or 5(graphical login), it will load the required modules back. If > something is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you might > get the busy error message. The only advice I can offer is remove the > modules in opposite order that they are dependent. For example, in > the following: > > sg 30180 0 (autoclean) (unused) > st 27316 0 (autoclean) (unused) > sr_mod 15160 0 (autoclean) (unused) > sd_mod 11644 0 (autoclean) (unused) > scsi_mod 92488 4 (autoclean) [sg st sr_mod sd_mod] > > I won't be able to remove scsi_mod first. I would have to rmmod sg, > then st, then sr_mod, then sd_mod. Only then would I be able to > remove scsi_mod. > > Blue skies... Todd > -- > Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because > that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn >Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk Yep first thing I did.. telinit 3 . cannot return to runlevel 5 telinit 1 cannot return to run level 5 .. reboot. James > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:40:20 -0700 Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > daRcmaTTeR wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 02:32:04PM -0400 : > > > > It's been my personal experience in the past 6 months that devfs is > > totally and completely the spawn of satan. I don't forsee any true > > Satan might like you, but I'm his favorite. -- a coworker > > > usefullness coming from this particular part of Mandrake's inner > > workings other then LOTS of severe user frustration. personally I > > think "IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape > > of so wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER! > > On a server where things don't change much, yes. > On a desktop where external drives are being hotplugged via firewire > and USB, it needs to be there or the functionality will not appear on > the desktop without manual configuration. Usability is where it's > headed folks, and making it usable without being a rocket scientist is > what's required for your Grandmother, for you girlfriend's mom, for > the kid down the street, etc. > > Blue skies... Todd (speaking only for himself, > not in any official capacity) Todd, Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the results. Oh and for my camera and my usb printer. They haven't changed functionality since I got rid of devfs. Maybe because devfs set them up at first. I'm just getting tired of rebooting Linux. James > -- > Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because > that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn >Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-19mdk > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
Praedor Tempus wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:33:49PM -0500 : > Since installing 8.2, however, I have to manually remove the system's > insistent retardation of setting /dev/modem -> /dev/ttyS0 ->/dev/tts/0. This > does not exist on my system yet devfs does it every time. rm -f /lib/dev-state/modem One of the things that devfsd does when it boots up is that it restores the contents of /lib/dev-state/* to /dev/. Remove that file (symlink actually) and it will quit putting it in /dev. Then when you load the lucent module, it will register with devfs which will then create the LT* device(s) you need. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55605/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 : >Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the results. > Oh and for my camera and my usb printer. They haven't changed > functionality since I got rid of devfs. Maybe because devfs set them up > at first. I'm just getting tired of rebooting Linux. Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your regular mode? Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities (but not always). You might have to go one step further and remove some modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login) or 5 (graphical login), it will load the required modules back. If something is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you might get the busy error message. The only advice I can offer is remove the modules in opposite order that they are dependent. For example, in the following: sg 30180 0 (autoclean) (unused) st 27316 0 (autoclean) (unused) sr_mod 15160 0 (autoclean) (unused) sd_mod 11644 0 (autoclean) (unused) scsi_mod 92488 4 (autoclean) [sg st sr_mod sd_mod] I won't be able to remove scsi_mod first. I would have to rmmod sg, then st, then sr_mod, then sd_mod. Only then would I be able to remove scsi_mod. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55603/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Sunday 23 June 2002 04:26 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > jerry wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:32:04 -0400 > > > > daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>"IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so > >>wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER! > > > > (as a result: there's no way they're taking it out now, especially if > > they read messages from people who don't like it) lol ;-P > > well...to be totally honest I "do" see its need and usefulness, however > I've been so blessed as to have had the privilege to *not* have had a > good experience with the little bugger. it doesn't like my Handspring > Visor. :( It also doesn't like the winmodem in my laptop (but then, who LIKES winmodems?). I am "happily" using the winmodem as a linmodem using the ltmodem drivers. Works great. Problem is, it is but a passing thing since installing 8.2. In Mandrake 8.1, I also had the ltmodem driver installed and working - and it was permanent. It worked with every bootup and login. Since installing 8.2, however, I have to manually remove the system's insistent retardation of setting /dev/modem -> /dev/ttyS0 ->/dev/tts/0. This does not exist on my system yet devfs does it every time. Upon bootup, I have to rm -f /dev/modem and then rerun the ltmodem "checkout" script to get the symlink to point to /dev/tts/LT0, created for devfs by same script. Unfortunately, the script is interactive so I cannot simply put it in /etc/rc.d or other and have it work every bootup. In a word, devfs SUCKS. Always has, always will. The end. praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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jerry wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:32:04 -0400 > daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>"IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so >>wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER! > > > (as a result: there's no way they're taking it out now, especially if they read >messages from people who don't like it) lol ;-P > well...to be totally honest I "do" see its need and usefulness, however I've been so blessed as to have had the privilege to *not* have had a good experience with the little bugger. it doesn't like my Handspring Visor. :( Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:32:04 -0400 daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so > wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER! (as a result: there's no way they're taking it out now, especially if they read messages from people who don't like it) lol ;-P Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
daRcmaTTeR wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 02:32:04PM -0400 : > > It's been my personal experience in the past 6 months that devfs is > totally and completely the spawn of satan. I don't forsee any true Satan might like you, but I'm his favorite. -- a coworker > usefullness coming from this particular part of Mandrake's inner > workings other then LOTS of severe user frustration. personally I think > "IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so > wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER! On a server where things don't change much, yes. On a desktop where external drives are being hotplugged via firewire and USB, it needs to be there or the functionality will not appear on the desktop without manual configuration. Usability is where it's headed folks, and making it usable without being a rocket scientist is what's required for your Grandmother, for you girlfriend's mom, for the kid down the street, etc. Blue skies... Todd (speaking only for himself, not in any official capacity) -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-19mdk msg55581/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.
James wrote: > All, > >Got an interesting problem here. It concerns everyones favorite > subject devfs ... I've done 12 installs so far with 8.2, on 10 of the > boxes /dev/video1-4 where created without a problem on two of the > boxes not there at all. So just for fun on one I reinstalled 8.2 4 > times ( I use the auto-install from a disk so it's not as painful as it > sounds.) 3 times it created the devs 1 time it didn't. Has anyone else > noted this? Why I noticed is. > > 1. My companies product uses/looks for /dev/video > > 2. KDE crashes - in fact total video access is frozen. This seems to > be occuring when these devs aren't on the box, and it happens frequently > on them. Near as I can tell, when they are gone the box grabs any dev it > can to use as the video device. (not sure on this so don't quote me.) > > The only way to fix it is to create the devices manually after having > made sure that lilo has append devfs=nomount and I've booted this way. > Is there any way to tell what the box is using instead of /dev/video if > it doesn't create it? > > > James > James, It's been my personal experience in the past 6 months that devfs is totally and completely the spawn of satan. I don't forsee any true usefullness coming from this particular part of Mandrake's inner workings other then LOTS of severe user frustration. personally I think "IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER! Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
