Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
On Fri, 06 Apr 2001, Praedor Tempus wrote: Most assuredly yes. About half the time I start the bastard up, it locks and I have to do the kill -9 thing and try again. On Friday 06 April 2001 09:20, Stephen Lawrence Jr. wrote: Is anyone else having problems with Netscape Communicator 4.76 locking up and taking %99 CPU time? I have to do a 'kill -9' on it all the time. I have gone to Netscape 6.01, and the problem is the same. My kids fixed it for me by downloading the 'flash' plugin, which I haven't heard mentioned. Now 6.01 is still acting as beta quality software, with a lot of crap you don't want, and I can still get hangups. Try hunting around this site, for instance. http://www.tv3.ie 6.01 has this little wizard that sends off bug reports fairly regularly to the software guys in Netscape :-/ -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
That's the easy part. click on File-SaveAs-Draft. Mark "Stephen Lawrence Jr." wrote: Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear Craig: I can write a letter in Netscape for two hours with the security that it won't be wiped out by a crash. Still, just to be sure, I save it as a draft every few paragraphs. Hmmm, how are you writing paragraphs and saving them in Netscape? -- Stephen Lawrence Jr. - Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] California Animal Health Food Safety Laboratory System, UC Davis (530)-752-4614
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
Dear Craig: May I suggest one thing that may or may not solve your problem. I had the same problem with Netscape. It crashe every ten minutes. Finally, after consulting with a computer friend, I decided to switch from a PS/2 mouse to a serial mouse. Real easy to do. Bingo, all problems with Netscape disappeared. Or almost all problems. Now, it is pretty rare for Netscape to actually crash. I can write a letter in Netscape for two hours with the security that it won't be wiped out by a crash. Still, just to be sure, I save it as a draft every few paragraphs. Try it (or try a USB mouse). The problem in my case was an IRQ conflict that was causing instability everywhere, not just in Netscape. And suddenly, KDE was stable as a rock, and even Netscape behaved. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
Ya, with the 7.2 dist, Konqueror does not load java pages properly. Plus, I use the Netscape SSLIMAP functions to check email and have been unable to find another email client that supports multiple SSLIMAPaccounts. :( Craig Sprout wrote: "Stephen Lawrence Jr." wrote: > > Is anyone else having problems with Netscape Communicator 4.76 locking > up and taking %99 CPU time? I have to do a 'kill -9' on it all the time. You mean besides every stinking day? Disabling Java and Javascript go quite a ways towards making it behave nicely, but other than that I don't really have any suggestions for you. I've noticed that sometimes, just loading a heavy page (500+ Kb) can bring the foul lizard to its knees. I'm going to put 8.0b3 on this box over the weekend, and play around a little more with Konqueror. From the little bit of dabbling I've done, I am impressed. I'll have to see how it does under a heavy load. -- Craig Sprout Network Administrator Crown Parts and Machine http://www.crownpartsandmachine.com -- Stephen Lawrence Jr. - Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] California Animal Health Food Safety Laboratory System, UC Davis (530)-752-4614
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Pierre Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Stephen Lawrence Jr." wrote: Is anyone else having problems with Netscape Communicator 4.76 locking up and taking %99 CPU time? I have to do a 'kill -9' on it all the time. If it's not a Java issue, it's likely the NS' inability to handle communications problems like: - DNS failures, delays, etc - [news|pop|???] server stops|not responding - lost packets - etc. Oh, yeah, those can make netscape look like its locked up also. USUALLY it will recover if I'm patient. Its the 100% cpu load problems that never go away by themselves. Yeah, I suppose we really DO need a good browser, don't we! rc Rusty Carruth Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (480) 345-3621 SnailMail: Schlumberger ATE FAX: (480) 345-8793 7855 S. River Parkway, Suite 116 Ham: N7IKQ @ 146.82+,pl 162.2 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825 ICBM: 33 20' 44"N 111 53' 47"W
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
Oddly enough, I had the opposite problem As soon as I put 8.0 on, I could no longer access the internet through my lan. I tried running Mandrake 8.0b2 on one computer, while I left my good Linux computer running 7.2 (which it is running flawlessly right now). 8.0 can see and ping all the other computers on my lan, and it can ping through to my ISP if you specify the ISP's actualy IP address, but I can't access any webpages by the domain names. This has been baffling me for quite some time, and I have thus far attributed it to mandrake being beta, I'll be trying out beta 3 later this evening, but I'd like to knwo if anyone else has any information regarding this. I'm running a Windows NT4 server as a fileserver/proxy through a cable modem to the internet. Everythign works fine on Windows, and in Mandrake 7.2 on the same machine, but as soon as I try mandrake 8.0beta1 or beta2, I get nothing on the internet. Thanks Ya, with the 7.2 dist, Konqueror does not load java pages properly. Plus, I use the Netscape SSL IMAP functions to check email and have been unable to find another email client that supports multiple SSL IMAP accounts. :( I feel your pain, there. I had hopes for KMail, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen this time around. The 7.2 distro was bad for me all around. I went back to 7.1 almost immediately. It was weird -- after I put 7.2 on, I couldn't get my cable modem to work. I tried everything, and got nothing. I beat my head against the wall, recompiled older versions of programs, everything you can think of. Got nothing. I put 8.0b3 on that box, and up everything came, and away we went, cable modem and all. I'm still scratching my head on that one. -- Craig Sprout Network Administrator Crown Parts and Machine http://www.crownpartsandmachine.com
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Lyric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly enough, I had the opposite problem As soon as I put 8.0 on, I could no longer access the internet through my lan. I tried running Mandrake 8.0b2 on one computer, while I left my good Linux computer running 7.2 (which it is running flawlessly right now). 8.0 can see and ping all the other computers on my lan, and it can ping through to my ISP if you specify the ISP's actualy IP address, but I can't access any webpages by the domain names. What is the contents of /etc/resolv.conf on each machine? copy the working one over to the broken one, then let us know if things work better. (You will probably have to reload any currently running programs for them to notice) (Save a backup of the original just in case ;-) rc Rusty Carruth Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (480) 345-3621 SnailMail: Schlumberger ATE FAX: (480) 345-8793 7855 S. River Parkway, Suite 116 Ham: N7IKQ @ 146.82+,pl 162.2 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825 ICBM: 33 20' 44"N 111 53' 47"W
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
Most assuredly yes. About half the time I start the bastard up, it locks and I have to do the kill -9 thing and try again. On Friday 06 April 2001 09:20, Stephen Lawrence Jr. wrote: Is anyone else having problems with Netscape Communicator 4.76 locking up and taking %99 CPU time? I have to do a 'kill -9' on it all the time. -- Stephen Lawrence Jr. - Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] California Animal Health Food Safety Laboratory System, UC Davis (530)-752-4614 -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. --
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
I know it's not a fix, but instead of kill -9 from a cli, try ctrl-alt-esc, and left mouse click on the dead netscape. This works for me. Sad when we can only compare the best ways to kill netscape. I am disappointed. I just wish konquerer were faster. ron --- Praedor Tempus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most assuredly yes. About half the time I start the bastard up, it locks and I have to do the kill -9 thing and try again. On Friday 06 April 2001 09:20, Stephen Lawrence Jr. wrote: Is anyone else having problems with Netscape Communicator 4.76 locking up and taking %99 CPU time? I have to do a 'kill -9' on it all the time. -- Stephen Lawrence Jr. - Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] California Animal Health Food Safety Laboratory System, UC Davis (530)-752-4614 -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. -- = ^C quit :q exit ? help shit __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Ok, Ok, i'll put in my $4.00/300*(3/2)It's almost (i said ALMOST) funny reading this thread. When i first installed 7.1 i noticed the same problem w/ Netscrape. After a short while it "went away". Then when i did a re-install the problem came back again, only to go away again after an even shorter time. Somewhere in the middle of a dozen or so subsequent re-installs (trying to get the stupid thing to install accross various drives w/ different partitions) i recognized the pattern: Nutscrape, as someone called it, started working better as soon as i recompiled the kernel. NOW IT STILL HAPPENS MIND YOU, but not _nearly_ as often as it used to. I also got around to upgrading to the latest 4.xx version w/ 128bit encryption etc and still no complaints. If i really wanted i might build src rpm and try installing it (yes i have no idea what the problem is). But the biggest difference seemed to come when i would recompile the kernel. Go figure. j --- Praedor Tempus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most assuredly yes. About half the time I start the bastard up, it locks and I have to do the kill -9 thing and try again. On Friday 06 April 2001 09:20, Stephen Lawrence Jr. wrote: Is anyone else having problems with Netscape Communicator 4.76 locking up and taking %99 CPU time? I have to do a 'kill -9' on it all the time. -- Stephen Lawrence Jr. - Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] California Animal Health Food Safety Laboratory System, UC Davis (530)-752-4614 -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
I don't know what's up with yours, but konqueror has always beat netscape hands down for me in stability and page loading. And it has only improved in 2.1! By the way, a new opera version is out today. I'm just about to install and try it out. -s On Friday 06 April 2001 02:47 pm, you wrote: I just wish konquerer were faster. ron
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 12:20 -0400, Pierre Fortin wrote: "Stephen Lawrence Jr." wrote: Is anyone else having problems with Netscape Communicator 4.76 locking up and taking %99 CPU time? I have to do a 'kill -9' on it all the time. If it's not a Java issue, it's likely the NS' inability to handle communications problems like: - DNS failures, delays, etc - [news|pop|???] server stops|not responding - lost packets - etc. Really hoping for a new browser real soon now... That's what all of us do... But in the meantime: I used to have that Netscape Communicator beast on my box wolfing down all my 256M of memory. So I did 3 things: 1. changed busmouse to serial mouse 2. disabled javascript and java on Netscape 3. finally gave Communicator the kick in the a** and changed to Navigator. Combined with me changing to a *real* MUA (see header). This solved all my probs with netscape. I even do my banking with it (having 128bit encryption). Sometimes Nescape is on for weeks and doesn't crash or eat memory. wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
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I guess I just need to work with it more. Maybe its the "blank" while loading images, where netscape always gave the image as it loaded. Then again, I haven't looked deep into the configuration, just enough to enable java. --- s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what's up with yours, but konqueror has always beat netscape hands down for me in stability and page loading. And it has only improved in 2.1! By the way, a new opera version is out today. I'm just about to install and try it out. -s On Friday 06 April 2001 02:47 pm, you wrote: I just wish konquerer were faster. ron = ^C quit :q exit ? help shit __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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I use konqueror for most browsing but... Konqueror doesn't handle javascript as well as netscape does. There are some sites I frequent that require javascript work to make the website useful and konqueror just wont do it (my M$ outlook email interface at work is one such page that doesn't work well in konqueror). There are other sites that use flash and such that konqueror can't deal with even when the netscape flash plugin is available. For some sites, konqueror is not an option and only netscape can handle them. Don't know about Opera but then, I suppose it doesn't do netscape plugins which would rule it out for many sites. On Friday 06 April 2001 15:11, s wrote: I don't know what's up with yours, but konqueror has always beat netscape hands down for me in stability and page loading. And it has only improved in 2.1! By the way, a new opera version is out today. I'm just about to install and try it out. -s On Friday 06 April 2001 02:47 pm, you wrote: I just wish konquerer were faster. ron -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.
Re: [expert] Netscape Locking Up
One website that konqueror (at least on my system - Mandrake 8.0) can't handle is the DRI website. What happens: First off, the page is misrendered in text if I select any of the links to other DRI pages (the main page is OK). The problem is parts of the text overwrite each other so as to be unreadable. If I then go up to the View menu, then down to "set encoding" and select either of the Arabic encodings, which works on the MANY other web pages that are similarly misrendered, instead of fixing the page I am on, it dumps me back to the main DRI page. So, I can either browse the documentation, etc, pages at the DRI website and try to read around the misrendered, dicked up text OR I can start netscape and view the pages without any problems at all. Konqueror encoding defaults to "auto" and it is dicked up in KDE 2.1. I don't know about 2.1.1 but with the problems that version appears to have I am not going to try it and will wait for 2.1.2. On Friday 06 April 2001 16:33, Ron Heron wrote: I guess I just need to work with it more. Maybe its the "blank" while loading images, where netscape always gave the image as it loaded. Then again, I haven't looked deep into the configuration, just enough to enable java. --- s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what's up with yours, but konqueror has always beat netscape hands down for me in stability and page loading. And it has only improved in 2.1! By the way, a new opera version is out today. I'm just about to install and try it out. -s On Friday 06 April 2001 02:47 pm, you wrote: I just wish konquerer were faster. ron = ^C quit :q exit ? help shit __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.
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H. Well, I don't go to exotic sites too often. I haven't had a problem. Hey, would you post one or two of those links so I can test mine out? -s On Friday 06 April 2001 05:59 pm, you wrote: One website that konqueror (at least on my system - Mandrake 8.0) can't handle is the DRI website. What happens: First off, the page is misrendered in text if I select any of the links to other DRI pages (the main page is OK). The problem is parts of the text overwrite each other so as to be unreadable. If I then go up to the View menu, then down to "set encoding" and select either of the Arabic encodings, which works on the MANY other web pages that are similarly misrendered, instead of fixing the page I am on, it dumps me back to the main DRI page. So, I can either browse the documentation, etc, pages at the DRI website and try to read around the misrendered, dicked up text OR I can start netscape and view the pages without any problems at all. Konqueror encoding defaults to "auto" and it is dicked up in KDE 2.1. I don't know about 2.1.1 but with the problems that version appears to have I am not going to try it and will wait for 2.1.2. On Friday 06 April 2001 16:33, Ron Heron wrote: I guess I just need to work with it more. Maybe its the "blank" while loading images, where netscape always gave the image as it loaded. Then again, I haven't looked deep into the configuration, just enough to enable java.
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Wolfgang, Do you mean you're using Netscape Navigator, like version 3.0x? On Mandrake 7.2? Did you have any trouble installing it? I did, and gave up (I'm a newbie), but if you've got it working, I'll look back and tell you the problem I had -- maybe you can tell me how to solve it. (It was a library problem.) Thanks, Randy Kramer Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 3. finally gave Communicator the kick in the a** and changed to Navigator. Combined with me changing to a *real* MUA (see header).
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Here is the link to the Direct Rendering page: http://dri.sourceforge.net For an example of the problem select the Documentation link, then choose either the User Guide link or the DRI Compilation Guide link. Scroll down the page and you should find that some of the text on the page is screwed up. On the Users Guide page, for instance, page down until you get to XF86Config file section. There should be blocks of text in that section that are displayed all screwy. Paging down in the Compilation Guide you should find similar blocks of text that are screwed up. By screwed up I mean that ALL the text of that block is rendered on top of itself and is thus, unreadable. On MOST pages that this happens on, all you need to do is go to View - Set encoding and select something (I usually select Arabic at the top) and this fixes it but on these DRI pages, you get kicked back to the homepage instead. There are a few military pages that require SSL (which I do have) support in the browser (which I have enabled in konqueror) but will not allow me to connect because the sites tell me that I don't have SSL. Changing the user agent to fake being IE doesn't help. On Friday 06 April 2001 18:09, s wrote: H. Well, I don't go to exotic sites too often. I haven't had a problem. Hey, would you post one or two of those links so I can test mine out? -s On Friday 06 April 2001 05:59 pm, you wrote: One website that konqueror (at least on my system - Mandrake 8.0) can't handle is the DRI website. What happens: First off, the page is misrendered in text if I select any of the links to other DRI pages (the main page is OK). The problem is parts of the text overwrite each other so as to be unreadable. If I then go up to the View menu, then down to "set encoding" and select either of the Arabic encodings, which works on the MANY other web pages that are similarly misrendered, instead of fixing the page I am on, it dumps me back to the main DRI page. So, I can either browse the documentation, etc, pages at the DRI website and try to read around the misrendered, dicked up text OR I can start netscape and view the pages without any problems at all. Konqueror encoding defaults to "auto" and it is dicked up in KDE 2.1. I don't know about 2.1.1 but with the problems that version appears to have I am not going to try it and will wait for 2.1.2. On Friday 06 April 2001 16:33, Ron Heron wrote: I guess I just need to work with it more. Maybe its the "blank" while loading images, where netscape always gave the image as it loaded. Then again, I haven't looked deep into the configuration, just enough to enable java. -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.
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Oh man, I don't know how to tell you this, but mine looked good; just as I imagine the author intended. However, changing encoding did kick it back to home page. I'm using a 17" monitor at 1024x768 with 12 pt. comic sans. I wish I had a suggestion for you. Informative site tho, thanx, I've bookmarked it for future reference. -s On Friday 06 April 2001 07:47 pm, you wrote: Here is the link to the Direct Rendering page: http://dri.sourceforge.net For an example of the problem select the Documentation link, then choose either the User Guide link or the DRI Compilation Guide link. Scroll down the page and you should find that some of the text on the page is screwed up. On the Users Guide page, for instance, page down until you get to XF86Config file section. There should be blocks of text in that section that are displayed all screwy. Paging down in the Compilation Guide you should find similar blocks of text that are screwed up. By screwed up I mean that ALL the text of that block is rendered on top of itself and is thus, unreadable. On MOST pages that this happens on, all you need to do is go to View - Set encoding and select something (I usually select Arabic at the top) and this fixes it but on these DRI pages, you get kicked back to the homepage instead. There are a few military pages that require SSL (which I do have) support in the browser (which I have enabled in konqueror) but will not allow me to connect because the sites tell me that I don't have SSL. Changing the user agent to fake being IE doesn't help. On Friday 06 April 2001 18:09, s wrote: H. Well, I don't go to exotic sites too often. I haven't had a problem. Hey, would you post one or two of those links so I can test mine out? -s
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Actually, now that I think about it, the problem may well lie with the fact that I have font antialiasing enabled with qt-2.3.0 in KDE. It works well for most things but some fonts are totally screwed. As for the DRI site...the package is NICE. I have an ATI Radeon 32 DDR video card that I just installed with DRI in mind. Now that I have hardware OpenGL 3d acceleration enabled, graphics and games go VERY well. Running the Mesa toy app "gears" from an xterm gives me an average framerate of 880. With nothing else running, I have seen 1000 FPS. Fullscreen I get 160 fps. Before, without hardware accel, I would get around 100 fps in default screen size and only about 23 fps fullscreen. The games Heretic2 and Terminus look and run great. DRI was well worth the minor effort it took to download and build (also had to rebuild my kernel to make it all play together). If you have a decent video card with 3d accel capability other than an Nvidia, I highly recommend the DRI code. On Friday 06 April 2001 20:59, s wrote: Oh man, I don't know how to tell you this, but mine looked good; just as I imagine the author intended. However, changing encoding did kick it back to home page. I'm using a 17" monitor at 1024x768 with 12 pt. comic sans. I wish I had a suggestion for you. Informative site tho, thanx, I've bookmarked it for future reference. -s On Friday 06 April 2001 07:47 pm, you wrote: Here is the link to the Direct Rendering page: http://dri.sourceforge.net For an example of the problem select the Documentation link, then choose either the User Guide link or the DRI Compilation Guide link. Scroll down the page and you should find that some of the text on the page is screwed up. On the Users Guide page, for instance, page down until you get to XF86Config file section. There should be blocks of text in that section that are displayed all screwy. Paging down in the Compilation Guide you should find similar blocks of text that are screwed up. By screwed up I mean that ALL the text of that block is rendered on top of itself and is thus, unreadable. On MOST pages that this happens on, all you need to do is go to View - Set encoding and select something (I usually select Arabic at the top) and this fixes it but on these DRI pages, you get kicked back to the homepage instead. There are a few military pages that require SSL (which I do have) support in the browser (which I have enabled in konqueror) but will not allow me to connect because the sites tell me that I don't have SSL. Changing the user agent to fake being IE doesn't help. On Friday 06 April 2001 18:09, s wrote: H. Well, I don't go to exotic sites too often. I haven't had a problem. Hey, would you post one or two of those links so I can test mine out? -s -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.
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Dear Stephen: You can save your draft letter at any stage (and repeatedly) by clicking on: File, Save as, Draft You can also save any message received with: File, Save As, File Give it a name: report.txt and then in xterm copy it to a safe place. Benjamin "Stephen Lawrence Jr." wrote: Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear Craig: I can write a letter in Netscape for two hours with the security that it won't be wiped out by a crash. Still, just to be sure, I save it as a draft every few paragraphs. Hmmm, how are you writing paragraphs and saving them in Netscape? -- Stephen Lawrence Jr. - Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] California Animal Health Food Safety Laboratory System, UC Davis (530)-752-4614 -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
