[FairfieldLife] THE PRICE OF TM.
65 cents a day over 10 years. $1.30 a day over 5 years. 2.60 a day over 2.5 years I drink more quickstop coffee than that. Cut down on one movie a week and its done. Not as bad as I thought. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Observance Day = Uposatha Day = Poya Day is Today ... !!!
Friends: Great Advantage by sheer good Habit: May many beings gain divine existence by following this ancient Buddhist habit of undertaking these 8 training-rules once weekly: 1. Panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the training-rule to avoidkilling harmingliving creatures. 2. Adinnadana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the training-rule to avoidstealingwhat is not given. 3. Abrahmacariya veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the training-rule to avoid any sexual activity. 4. Musavada veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the training-rule to avoid lying incorrect speech. 5. Suramerayamajja pamadatthana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the rule to avoidalcohol drugs leading to carelessness. 6. Vikalabhojana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the training-rule to avoid eating after 12 noon. 7. Nacca-gita-vadita-visukkadassana mala-gandha-vilepana-dharana mandana-vibhusanathana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the training-rule to avoid dancing, singing, music, shows, wearing jewelery, using perfumes, cosmetics. 8. Uccasayana-mahasayana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyamiI undertake the training-rule toavoid lying on a high/luxurious bed. Regarding the effect of following these simple rules the Buddha said: Suppose that one were to exercise kingship, rule, sovereignty over these sixteen great lands replete with the seven treasures, i.e., over the Angas, Maghadans, Kasis, Kosalans, Vajjians, Mallas, Cetis, Vansans, Kurus, Pañcalas, Macchas, Surasenas, Assakas, Avantis, Gandharans, Kambojans: It would not be worth one-sixteenth of this Uposatha endowed with these eight factors. Why is that? Kingship over human beings is a meager thing when compared with divine existencein heavenly bliss. See also: Muluposatha Sutta (AN III.70) -- Discourse on the Roots of the Uposatha Uposatha Sutta (AN VIII.41) -- Discourse on the Uposatha Observance Visakhuposatha Sutta (AN VIII.43) -- Discourse to Visakha on the Uposatha Sakka Sutta (AN X.46) -- To the Sakyans (on the Uposatha) Ñanavara Thera's Questions-and-answers concerning the Uposatha. Lay Buddhist Practice, by Bhikkhu Khantipalo. source: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/uposatha.html Friendship is the Greatest ! Bhikkhu Samhita, Sri Lanka. http://groups.msn.com/DirectDhammahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buddha-Directhttp://www.smartgroups.com/groups/TrueDhammahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/What_Buddha_SaidDhamma-Questions sent to my email are quite Welcome. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. BDBackgrnd.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children
In his epic poem, Savitri, Sri Aurobindo vividly describes a new race of humanity emerging on Earth, as different from humans today as we have ever been to the evolutions that have preceded us: ...I saw them cross the twilight of an age, The sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn, Great creators with wide brows of calm, The massive barrier-breakers of the world, Laborers in the quarries of the gods The architects of immortality. Into the fallen human sphere they came, Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy, Lips chanting an unknown anthem of the soul, Feet echoing in the corridors of Time. High priests of wisdom, sweetness, might, and bliss; Discoverers of beauty's sunlit ways Their tread one day shall change the suffering earth And justify the light on Nature's face. (Savitri, pp. 3434) Sri Aurobindo seemed to indicate that a new genus or species is emerging among us. We have a ways to go before this will happen, however. He saw that there would have to be a transitional species before the true supramental species was able to enter the rarefied realms of a purified Earth. He saw that each successive generation would carry this evolutionary potential further, and that we would develop through the human human stage up to the overhuman stage before the supramental being could be anchored into the true physical realm of fourth dimensional matter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Absolutely rightand what about the millions of people, rich and poor alike, who are willing to spend huge amounts in cigarettes, alcohol, etc...we always find the money for those, yet we don't want to pay much for a technique we could use for the rest of our lives... We could go on and on down the list of expenses we have, clothing, holidays, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 65 cents a day over 10 years. $1.30 a day over 5 years. 2.60 a day over 2.5 years I drink more quickstop coffee than that. Cut down on one movie a week and its done. Not as bad as I thought. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
If anyone wants to make a donation to the TMO they can, at any time.
I was instructed at Maharishi Ashram for free. I have since made many
donations to the movement.
As far as I can gather there is no truth to the oft-repeated claim
that it is traditional to charge for initiation into meditation,
quite the contrary. It was MMY who introduced the fee ('fixed
donation') almost as soon as he arrived in the States.
On this very issue, Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati, a direct
disciple of Gurudev was asked:-
Q: Brahmananda Saraswati did not charge any fees when he used to
initiate?
SwaroopanandJi: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami
Tulsidas: The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in
return for initiation, steals disciples property and goes to damnable
hell.
For that reason Guru Deva used to give 'upadesha' (initiation)
without any fees. He used to say If I accept any gift from the
disciple (or fees), then his sins are transmitted to me. In India,
dharma, yoga, knowledge, specialized knowledge can never be sold for
money. That is priceless. Anyone who puts a price on it insults it.
So, a mantra is also never given for money. Knowledge cannot be sold
for money. Therefore, the process that is being employed by Mahesh is
merely for the sake of making money, and this is entirely against the
canons of Indian culture and civilization.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:59 AM, rgjcm wrote: Absolutely rightand what about the millions of people, rich and poor alike, who are willing to spend huge amounts in cigarettes, alcohol, etc...we always find the money for those, yet we don't want to pay much for a technique we could use for the rest of our lives... We could go on and on down the list of expenses we have, clothing, holidays, etc. Why, when you can get a better version (e.g. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Goenka Vipassana, et.) for cheaper? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:43 AM, Paul Mason wrote: SwaroopanandJi: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami Tulsidas: The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in return for initiation, steals disciples property and goes to damnable hell. Hi Paul: This is precisely what the sannyasis of the Holy Shankaracharya Order told me: Mahesh was going to patala-loka (hell) for selling the Ved. It's not unusual to give dakshina (money offering) to a GURU, but usually there is a deeper commitment form the guru in that case. MMY has avoided being a guru. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Interpretations of the Ramayana, authored by Goswani Tulsidas are many. The verse in question says that a guru who takes money from his/her chela without leading chela to self-knowledge goes to hell for sure. TM leads the chela to self knowledge. Or not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:43 AM, Paul Mason wrote: SwaroopanandJi: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami Tulsidas: The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in return for initiation, steals disciples property and goes to damnable hell. Hi Paul: This is precisely what the sannyasis of the Holy Shankaracharya Order told me: Mahesh was going to patala-loka (hell) for selling the Ved. It's not unusual to give dakshina (money offering) to a GURU, but usually there is a deeper commitment form the guru in that case. MMY has avoided being a guru. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kevin/Shanti
---Peter,I'm glad he got a chance to meet you.Fred's a former Air Force major who served as a navigator on a B52 bomber(think Dr.Strangelove). He's a long time meditator who lives down by you from Jan to June.A couple yrs back I turned him on to Sri Sri and the Kryia.He's been pretty faithful ever since I think He attends a AOL satsang every wk. I'm not sure if its one that you would be going to.In any case,since I'm not sure we will ever actually meet I thought I ask him to say hello for me.Hope you guys had a nice chat.Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kevin, I met your friend Fredrick tonight at satsang with Punditji. He walked up to me and said,Are you Peter Good intuition! -Peter __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Death threats
During a trip to Scotland, New age guru Sri Sri Ravi Shankar casually mentioned while speaking to Edinburgh-based Evening News that he had received death threats from Islamic and went on to gleefully say that it doesn't concern me at all. Islamic militants have put me on a hit list, he told the paper's bewildered reporter while beaming widely. -- This may explain the death threats... Sri Sri Ravi Shankar of the Art of Living Center recently said: In the Indian context, we have respect for all religions. Privilege for one religion above the other is not right. In our country the majority religion does not get facilities. Those people who go to the kumbh mela have to pay taxes whereas people are given a grant to go to Haj. These are disparities. That's why there is a sense of resentment in the majority community. This is only the beginning. As Sri Sri Ravi Shankar pointed out in the same interview: The minority community institutions are fully exempted from taxes whereas majority community institutions are not. In Karnataka, we have 40,000 temples. The income from these temples is Rs 40 crore. Only Rs 50 lakh is spent on the temples, the rest goes to the government. Whereas grants are given to the minority communities (to an extent of Rs 8 crore) while their income is only Rs 50 lakh. These disparities should go. Everybody should be treated equally. This means, in effect, money is being taken from temples and channeled to Muslim institutions like mosques and madrasas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely rightand what about the millions of people, rich and poor alike, who are willing to spend huge amounts in cigarettes, alcohol, etc...we always find the money for those, yet we don't want to pay much for a technique we could use for the rest of our lives... We could go on and on down the list of expenses we have, clothing, holidays, etc. Right, and once you're in charge, you can change all that. Let's modify people behavior. No one better than you, I'm sure, to be the great arbitor. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The indigo soul and the existential crisis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More at http://www.starchild.co.za/channel17.html#three Ok but how can I tell the difference between the upgrade and a stroke or heart attack? The Earth is fully anchored in her 5th Dimensional Matrix. The Planet is now ready to support humans with Sixth Dimensional Consciousness. Those of you who have decided to accept the upgrade at this time and become the first wave of Sixth Dimensional Humans, will probably have experienced some of the following symptoms: snip + It would be nice if this was the reality of it all as I was becoming apprehensive that all these symptoms meant that I am wearing out. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
I'm fickle. I used to eat this stuff up as corroboration that the Age of Enlightenment is on its way. No I see this future-focused thinking as potentially unhealthy. And I'm not rational in my bias. I enjoy having an astrological forecast done, which is future-focused, too (although it does have the advantage of definite dates to which I can pin events and test the forecast's accuracy). - Patrick Gillam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More at:http://www.starchild.co.za/rebirth.html Gradually, the Earth will fill with beings of Light who are multi- dimensional Human Angels, aware of who they are and why they are here. They will live with open hearts and will share and love all their fellow beings. We invite you to work with us to assist in the creation of the New Earth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his epic poem, Savitri, Sri Aurobindo vividly describes a new race of humanity emerging on Earth, as different from humans today as we have ever been to the evolutions that have preceded us: ...I saw them cross the twilight of an age, The sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn, Great creators with wide brows of calm, The massive barrier-breakers of the world, Laborers in the quarries of the gods The architects of immortality. Into the fallen human sphere they came, Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy, Lips chanting an unknown anthem of the soul, Feet echoing in the corridors of Time. High priests of wisdom, sweetness, might, and bliss; Discoverers of beauty's sunlit ways Their tread one day shall change the suffering earth And justify the light on Nature's face. (Savitri, pp. 3434) Sri Aurobindo seemed to indicate that a new genus or species is emerging among us. We have a ways to go before this will happen, however. He saw that there would have to be a transitional species before the true supramental species was able to enter the rarefied realms of a purified Earth. He saw that each successive generation would carry this evolutionary potential further, and that we would develop through the human human stage up to the overhuman stage before the supramental being could be anchored into the true physical realm of fourth dimensional matter. + Thanks, Reverberations touching the strings of the heart to bring tears to an old mans eyes. I have written similar things too and, have a feeling for them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America is actually #1 in a health issue
as for actual health care, i believe, that would be Ontario. sarvamangalam!.. rudrani To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The indigo soul and the existential crisis
anonymousff forwarded [[Often, at the age of about 15 or 16, the young Indigo adult may go into a state of depression or neurotic behavior and begin manifesting destructive or self-destructive patterns of behavior. Sometimes these patterns may be only turned inwards, but often they can become focused outwards as well.]] ** !!! according to this then, the kid at Red Lake could have been an IT. sarvamangalam!.. rudrani To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
If we're going to amortize the costs of education over the lifetime the knowledge is applied, elementary schools would charge parents $100,000 to teach little kids how to read. The same goes if we peg costs to the education's potential value. It's just not practical, culturally accepted or fair. - Patrick Gillam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: 65 cents a day over 10 years. $1.30 a day over 5 years. 2.60 a day over 2.5 years I drink more quickstop coffee than that. Cut down on one movie a week and its done. Not as bad as I thought. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The indigo soul and the existential crisis
m2smart4u2000 wrote [[Those of you who have decided to accept the upgrade at this time and become the first wave of Sixth Dimensional Humans, will probably have experienced some of the following symptoms:]] ** ok .. ill bite. [[Feeling Spaced out and Ungrounded.]] ** time, space certainly 'ground' are all seed-presumptions, so this is a normal for me. [[Time seems to be moving even more rapidly than before.]] ** there is no such thing as 'time'. [[Severe Migraine headaches and severe Abdominal pain.]] ** sorry .. great health here. [[Fuzziness of Vision, as though you cannot see clearly anymore.]] ** its called being 46 .. but lasik will fix that. [[Pain in the area of the back of the Neck, that goes with low grade headaches.]] ** lol .. i have been told i was a pain in the neck. otherwise, more seriously, i have had increasing tension in my neck over the last two months. looking internally i know its 5th chakra. [[A sense of being or living in a Dream.]] ** well, i should hope so! its all a dream .. waking, dreaming .. no difference. [[An increase in Joy and Playfulness, and a sense of Adventure.]] ** no more than usual. life is good! [[An increase in Creativity and Passion,]] ** ditto. [[A Psychic connection with Dolphins, Whales, Fairies and Elementals .. ]] ** just yesterday i saw a fairy riding a manitee in the canal as i was flying overhead on the back of a woodstork! ok .. seriously .. if you arent traveling the lokas meeting w/the other entities that live around you, then you have all three eyes closed. sarvamangalam!.. rudrani To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] ..get even
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:10 AM, akasha_108 wrote: So it follows then that if a teacher does charge, he is offering the student a great blessing by creating a link to the student by which all the students sins are transmitted to the teacher. And folowing this logic if more money is charged, more sins are transmitted. So by this logic, MMY is a great teacher, absorbing bountiful amounts of students sin. If I follow this logic, it sounds like the bad karma would go onto the initiator--unless of course you are being directly initiated by MMY that means a TM teacher/Governor To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: One thing about his vision of a new species: as I understand it, he was to lead the way in making the physical transition to this new species, but in the end I believe Aurobindo considered that he had not succeeded in doing this on the physical level. I think bringing sublime inner experiences of consciousness into the physical and into society or collective consciousness is extremely difficult and even spiritual greats are surprised at the difficulties they have in doing this. It was actually his companion, The Mother, who really delved into the mechanisms behind this. She claimed that instead of going out through the crown (as Aurobindo did), you needed to look at the junction point between matter/mater and consciousness. He diaries on this are quite interesting. _The Mind of the Cells_ by Satprem is a nice synopsis. I believe it is now online for free. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:10 AM, akasha_108 wrote: So it follows then that if a teacher does charge, he is offering the student a great blessing by creating a link to the student by which all the students sins are transmitted to the teacher. And folowing this logic if more money is charged, more sins are transmitted. So by this logic, MMY is a great teacher, absorbing bountiful amounts of students sin. If I follow this logic, it sounds like the bad karma would go onto the initiator--unless of course you are being directly initiated by MMY that means a TM teacher/Governor yes, see the rest of my post where i discuss this. Does 50% go to teacher, 50% to National / International? And what if the teacher spent all of his earnings on going to moe courses? The flow of funds becomes an offering into the fire of knowledge -- so to the sins flow likewise? But then since MMY created us as multiples of himself, and initiated us as teachers, does he take on all of our sin load that we took on from students? Or since the offering is made to Guru Dev, and all of the teaching is in his name, is all of the sin eventually absorbed in his grace? Or since it all start with Narayana -- perhaps HE absorbs all of the sin ultimately. I used to work at the Berkeley center, before becoming a teacher, as the scholarship guy -- if someone could not afford the $35, then they were usually allowed to pay what they could, and / or promise to pay more later. (yes, it really did work like that back then). So if someone was asked to pay $35 and I heard their story and said ok, $20 is good, did I accrue $15 of merit (thats 1969 dollars so worth way moe today)? Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? What do you think? :) Unfathomable is the course of sins, um I mean action. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Well, MMY used to use an analogy equating TM with building a house. So I think a 30 year nortgage is called for -- to be automaticaly deducted from ones checking account each month. So I think a 30 yr mortgage on TMO initiation is called for. At 10% down, $250, and at a 5% fixed rate, the payments would be $.40 a day, or just over $12/month. Cheaper than basic cable. And I suppose advanced programs, yagyas, AV, could be treated all the same. High rollers might sign up for the mansion of inner housing and take all 40 vedic pathways to enlightenment, for a mere $480 / month. Of course, the rage now is 103% financing for homes, so that no down payment is required, and closing costs are covered by the extra 3%. A TMO equivalent 30 yr 103% financing monthly mortgage payment would be 45 cents a day or $13.82 per month. The extra $75 (the 3%) could cover fruit, flowers, and tips for the flower girls. Knowing MMY, actually, I think he would love this idea. (not a ding, but if this idea were brought up, he would go, yes, very good, we should do it. Of course the movement can bundle up all the mortgages and sell them off to get the value of the mortgage now (You know, living in the NOW) -- like banks do to Fannie Mae with their housing mortgages. But will the TMO only be paid back in Raams? And I am not sure what happens if someone defaults on their loan. Do they get a sin dump -- all their TMO absorbed sin dumped back on them in whole, at once? After a few poor souls got that effect, and were so physically and mentally wiped out by it, I am sure few after that would dare to default. Poster could be made -- Do you want to end up like this guy? Then TM twice a day, and once a month at the bank. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Ammachi always imparts mantras without charge. Yeah I liked that about her. She initiated me into Kali and gave Shaktipat for free. Back then she used to talk in this kind of proto-Sanskrit and she was just in this ecstatic trance. Then we all did puja together. The only thing we paid for were our puja supplies (offerings, etc.). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/25/05 10:35 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. I like to think of it as a cosmic MLM system, and I got in near the ground floor. I taught Deepak's intro TM course too, but wasn't his initiator. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Educational Mortgages --- (was PRICE OF TM.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we're going to amortize the costs of education over the lifetime the knowledge is applied, elementary schools would charge parents $100,000 to teach little kids how to read. The same goes if we peg costs to the education's potential value. It's just not practical, culturally accepted or fair. - Patrick Gillam Actually, I always thought a variation of this was a good idea. Educational costs should not be expensed, it should be treated as a capital investment -- which it is -- human capital. The most basic and valuable kind of capital. When the state goes to build a bridge that will last 70 years, they don't try to expense it -- that is, they don't try to pay for it all out of this years budget. They issue long term bonds and these are paid off over the long run - ideally matched to life of the asset. And accounting theory and practice, GAAP, is very clear on this that costs should be matched to the life of the item being purchased. It really distorts governement budgets to have long term capital investments expensed, particularly when there is strong pressure (and mandates at many state and local levels) to balance budgets. What gets cut? Well, education. Which is lumped in and treated equally with annual operating expenses for the government. Its a very poor system of managerial accounting. Under an evisioned system, students would take out long term mortgages on their educational expenses (or parents would take them out in the kids name). Sort of like an on-going long term construction project, new tranches of financing would be given each year. If a student desired more funding, for a better school, or supplemental educational opportunities, they could apply for a larger mortgage. The accrued mortgage -- and along with mortgage long-run insurance to cover peoplewho die or are disable pror to mortgage payoff -- would travel with the student over their life. Payback rates would be tied to income levels and handled directly by state and federal tax agencies. As you make more, you pay more back on your mortgage -- which funded your skills and abiliteis which allow you to makeyour living. After a transition period, as a taxpayer you would no longer pay for any current societal educational expenditures in your taxes -- thus your basic taxes would go down, offsetting the increased taxes for your educational mortgage repayment. Society would chip in some funds to help pay for various paydowns and exemptions from mortgage repayment by some who are serving society in extrordinary ways -- and also to account for and compensate students for the general wideranging positive effects that accrue to society from an educated populance -- beyond those accruing to the individual, aka externalites. As a simple example, if $1000 in educational funding produces 10,000 of present value lifetime benefis to the student, and $5000 of present value benefit to society (decreased jails, courts, welefare, health costs, dumb voting (joke, but true), etc), then society may kick in $250 to the student, thus paying down the student's mortgage for that tranche to $750. This example highlights the extraordinary high returns accruing to investments in human capital -- to the student and to society. Numerous econometric studies have shown that investmentin human capital far exceeds investment in physical capital. (Even though investment in physical capital is also a great thing and responsible for higher productivity rates and consequently higher national wage rates.) The end result will be much higher allocations for education than is currently done, much greater educational choice and tailoring of education to meet individual needs and goals. And a huge lowering of social costs as a more educated society places less dysfunctional demands on society. And higher incomes for students, and much greater life satisfaction for students. And proven techniques for refining the foundation of learning -- consciouness -- and which are shown to improve learning and analytical abilities -- could be included in the mortgage. And teahers would make a salary comensurate with the great value they bring to society. Kenny H would be making $100,000+, plus strong benefits. Why would any sane person oppose such a system? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. Tom Well, that explains it. Rick clearly messed up his into lecture bad. And prolly gave Peter the wrong mantra, which has desroyed Peter's brain so bad now that he is so delusional, he thinks he doesn't exist. And Haiglin is off doing well need i say more. Rick appears to be at the root of so many problems today: FFL, Tom, Peter, Haiglin, Chopra. And he likes Alison Krauss music. Clearly he is deranged and a threat to society. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/25/05 10:56 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. Tom Well, that explains it. Rick clearly messed up his into lecture bad. And prolly gave Peter the wrong mantra, which has desroyed Peter's brain so bad now that he is so delusional, he thinks he doesn't exist. And Haiglin is off doing well need i say more. Rick appears to be at the root of so many problems today: FFL, Tom, Peter, Haiglin, Chopra. And he likes Alison Krauss music. Clearly he is deranged and a threat to society. Rick left years ago and an alien walk-in took over. Bwahaahaa! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cosmic Lap Dance
Hello, All There's a story in vedic literature which tells of Shiva embracing his wife Parvati, who was sitting on his lap, in front of wise men. Although out of the ordinary, the wise men who were gathered continued to watch and hear what Shiva had to say. Then a king who was riding on his airplane saw the spectacle and started laughing at the couple. He criticized the couple for their shameful acts. However, Shiva did not say anything and smiled. The wise men kept silent and watched. Parvati was the only one who was angry at the king for making such snide comments. As such, she cursed the king to return in his next life as a demon. Moral of the story: never underestimate the infinite dynamics of creation. The dynamics are represented by the triune relationship of the knower, the process of knowing, and the known. Regards, John R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
and this is entirely against the canons of Indian culture and civilization.-yes, what he said!To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
In a message dated 3/25/05 6:44:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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If
anyone wants to make a donation to the TMO they can, at any time. I was
instructed at Maharishi Ashram for free. I have since made many donations
to the movement.As far as I can gather there is no truth to the
oft-repeated claim that it is traditional to charge for initiation into
meditation, quite the contrary. It was MMY who introduced the fee ('fixed
donation') almost as soon as he arrived in the States.On this very
issue, Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati, a direct disciple of Gurudev
was asked:-Q: Brahmananda Saraswati did not charge any fees when he used
to initiate?SwaroopanandJi: This is a principle. A quotation from
Goswami Tulsidas: "The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples
in return for initiation, steals disciples property and goes to damnable
hell."For that reason Guru Deva used to give 'upadesha' (initiation)
without any fees. He used to say "If I accept any gift from the
disciple (or fees), then his sins are transmitted to me." In India,
dharma, yoga, knowledge, specialized knowledge can never be sold for
money. That is priceless. Anyone who puts a price on it insults it.
So, a mantra is also never given for money. Knowledge cannot be sold
for money. Therefore, the process that is being employed by Mahesh is
merely for the sake of making money, and this is entirely against the
canons of Indian culture and
civilization.
And the best way for all of us initiators who have initiated
for money over the years to make amends is to go out and teach at least as many
people for free that you taught for a fee.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children
From: Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his epic poem, Savitri, Sri Aurobindo vividly describes a new race of humanity emerging on Earth, as different from humans today as we have ever been to the evolutions that have preceded us: ...I saw them cross the twilight of an age, The sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn, Great creators with wide brows of calm, The massive barrier-breakers of the world, Laborers in the quarries of the gods The architects of immortality. Into the fallen human sphere they came, Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy, Lips chanting an unknown anthem of the soul, Feet echoing in the corridors of Time. High priests of wisdom, sweetness, might, and bliss; Discoverers of beauty's sunlit ways Their tread one day shall change the suffering earth And justify the light on Nature's face. (Savitri, pp. 3434) Sri Aurobindo seemed to indicate that a new genus or species is emerging among us. We have a ways to go before this will happen, however. He saw that there would have to be a transitional species before the true supramental species was able to enter the rarefied realms of a purified Earth. He saw that each successive generation would carry this evolutionary potential further, and that we would develop through the human human stage up to the overhuman stage before the supramental being could be anchored into the true physical realm of fourth dimensional matter. + Thanks, Reverberations touching the strings of the heart to bring tears to an old mans eyes. I have written similar things too and, have a feeling for them. - I guess he was wrong about that. That is NOT what is happening now and for the foreseeable future. We addressed this issue back on 3/1/2005 12:39 in the creation theory thread. I can re-post mine here if you like. It essentially explains how, through the conquest of natural selection and high technology, humans are becoming less beautiful and more bizarre-looking. -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. Tom Rick Archer: Evil moderator and innocent gateway to higher and higher levels of enlightenment. Dammit! This guy is hard to pigeonhole. RAC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children
That's why progeny of the spiritual are required. - Original Message - From: markmeredith2002 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children I'm impressed with Aurobindo's life: brilliant intellect, leader ofIndia's fight for independence, nominee for Nobel prize in literature,spiritual luminary. His life and thought seems very integrated.One thing about his vision of a new species: as I understand it, hewas to lead the way in making the physical transition to this newspecies, but in the end I believe Aurobindo considered that he had notsucceeded in doing this on the physical level. I think bringingsublime inner experiences of consciousness into the physical and intosociety or collective consciousness is extremely difficult and evenspiritual greats are surprised at the difficulties they have in doingthis.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his epic poem, Savitri, Sri Aurobindo vividly describes a new race of humanity emerging on Earth, as different from humans today as we have ever been to the evolutions that have preceded us: ...I saw them cross the twilight of an age,The sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn,Great creators with wide brows of calm,The massive barrier-breakers of the world,Laborers in the quarries of the gods The architects of immortality. Into the fallen human sphere they came, Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy,Lips chanting an unknown anthem of the soul,Feet echoing in the corridors of Time.High priests of wisdom, sweetness, might, and bliss;Discoverers of beauty's sunlit ways Their tread one day shall change the suffering earthAnd justify the light on Nature's face. (Savitri, pp. 3434) Sri Aurobindo seemed to indicate that a new genus or species is emerging among us. We have a ways to go before this will happen, however. He saw that there would have to be a transitional species before the true supramental species was able to enter the rarefied realms of a purified Earth. He saw that each successive generation would carry this evolutionary potential further, and that we would develop through the "human human" stage up to the "overhuman" stage before the "supramental being" could be anchored into the "true physical" realm of fourth dimensional matter. + Thanks, Reverberations touching the strings of the heart to bring tears to an old mans eyes. I have written similar things too and, have a feeling for them.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
How does this sin model work for TM teachers. Do they take on half ofthe sin of each student, the other half is taken on by "Internaional"?Maybe that explains why the TMO, and most of its teachers sort ofcrashed after the bom initiations days of the mid 70's. BothInternational and initiators have needed the last 30 years to digestall the sin they took on. --at some point the ends and the means are not justifiable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Prophets Conference
Hagelin Gets Raves, Standing Ovations at Prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica; Will Speak at Next Five Conference Sessions A standing-room-only, overflow crowd of more than 1,000 conference participants cheered and leapt to their feet for three standing ovations during Dr. John Hagelin's presentation at the prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica on February 4-6. Dr. Hagelin electrified the crowd with his talk Creating Peace: The Discovery of the Unified Field and its Practical Application to Prevent Crime, Terrorism, and International Conflict. After his presentation, he was mobbed by the audience, and his book Manual for a Perfect Government sold out in minutes. Participants praised the talk not only for its profound exploration of the nature of reality but also because it offered hope for the future by providing practical, field-tested solutions to society's problems. Dr. Hagelin's presentation also created intense interest among the nation's top philanthropists, who are now exploring ways to help establish large Universities of World Peace in Washington, D.C., and Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa. Students also responded with overwhelming enthusiasm, cheering for the University of World Peace and quickly cleaning out Maharishi University of Management promotional materials after the talk. This year's Prophets Conference sessions focus on the eye-opening new film What the Bleep Do We Know!?, a remarkable exploration of the nature of reality revealed by the latest advances in scientific knowledge. The February conference brought together the movie's scientific commentators, visionaries, actors, and filmmakers to further explore the scientific ideas and research described in the film. Dr. Hagelin is featured in the film, which is gaining an enthusiastic following across the nation and around the world. The film What the Bleep Do We Know!? showcases the latest, most profound discoveries of quantum physicsgiving insight into the ultimate reality, and how we create our own day-to-day reality. These powerful ideas are changing the lives of viewers across the nation, Dr. Hagelin said in his talk. But intellectual discussion is not enough. We must now harness this nationwide awakening to create a peaceful, harmonious, more enlightened world. Only direct, repeatable experience of ultimate reality can create the deep, lasting transformations in the individual and society so urgently needed today. Dr. Hagelin also described the long-range field effects of consciousness generated through collective meditation and confirmed by more than 50 studies to defuse acute societal stress, violence and conflict, and to provide a practical foundation for permanent world peace. He presented the findings of his National Demonstration Project (described in What the Bleep!?) in which 4,000 meditators reduced violent crime in Washington, D.C., and explained the profound mechanisms that account for meditation's large-scale effects on society. He drew upon recent discoveries in consciousness and in physics, including Superstring theory, quantum teleportation, and the newly discovered dark energy that fuels the expansion of the universe. Dr. Hagelin also outlined plans to create a permanent group of 8,000 meditators at a new University of World Peacea flagship university dedicated to the prevention of war and promotion of peace. We are on the threshold of a global transformation to a post-dual, unified field-based civilizationa new world order of affluence and peace based on the knowledge, and direct experience, of the core unity of life in higher states of consciousness, he said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Prophets Conference
I'm glad to hear this (because he's in my downline). Seems to me that if practical people took over and restructured the movement (although Bob B. wouldn't include John in that bunch) and cut out all the kooky stuff, the movement could bounce back and thrive. on 3/25/05 11:57 AM, luzalma1 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hagelin Gets Raves, Standing Ovations at Prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica; Will Speak at Next Five Conference Sessions A standing-room-only, overflow crowd of more than 1,000 conference participants cheered and leapt to their feet for three standing ovations during Dr. John Hagelin's presentation at the prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica on February 4-6. Dr. Hagelin electrified the crowd with his talk Creating Peace: The Discovery of the Unified Field and its Practical Application to Prevent Crime, Terrorism, and International Conflict. After his presentation, he was mobbed by the audience, and his book Manual for a Perfect Government sold out in minutes. Participants praised the talk not only for its profound exploration of the nature of reality but also because it offered hope for the future by providing practical, field-tested solutions to society's problems. Dr. Hagelin's presentation also created intense interest among the nation's top philanthropists, who are now exploring ways to help establish large Universities of World Peace in Washington, D.C., and Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa. Students also responded with overwhelming enthusiasm, cheering for the University of World Peace and quickly cleaning out Maharishi University of Management promotional materials after the talk. This year's Prophets Conference sessions focus on the eye-opening new film What the Bleep Do We Know!?, a remarkable exploration of the nature of reality revealed by the latest advances in scientific knowledge. The February conference brought together the movie's scientific commentators, visionaries, actors, and filmmakers to further explore the scientific ideas and research described in the film. Dr. Hagelin is featured in the film, which is gaining an enthusiastic following across the nation and around the world. The film What the Bleep Do We Know!? showcases the latest, most profound discoveries of quantum physicsgiving insight into the ultimate reality, and how we create our own day-to-day reality. These powerful ideas are changing the lives of viewers across the nation, Dr. Hagelin said in his talk. But intellectual discussion is not enough. We must now harness this nationwide awakening to create a peaceful, harmonious, more enlightened world. Only direct, repeatable experience of ultimate reality can create the deep, lasting transformations in the individual and society so urgently needed today. Dr. Hagelin also described the long-range field effects of consciousness generated through collective meditation and confirmed by more than 50 studies to defuse acute societal stress, violence and conflict, and to provide a practical foundation for permanent world peace. He presented the findings of his National Demonstration Project (described in What the Bleep!?) in which 4,000 meditators reduced violent crime in Washington, D.C., and explained the profound mechanisms that account for meditation's large-scale effects on society. He drew upon recent discoveries in consciousness and in physics, including Superstring theory, quantum teleportation, and the newly discovered dark energy that fuels the expansion of the universe. Dr. Hagelin also outlined plans to create a permanent group of 8,000 meditators at a new University of World Peacea flagship university dedicated to the prevention of war and promotion of peace. We are on the threshold of a global transformation to a post-dual, unified field-based civilizationa new world order of affluence and peace based on the knowledge, and direct experience, of the core unity of life in higher states of consciousness, he said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Well, if this was the case at least someone could keep a checkbook on their moral value and upliftment in their world, but would it be the same as their real checkbook as the movement thinks? I guess only if one is selling air. I owe a hundredthousand bucks on my undergrad and so I'm always wonderin what the moral analogue of that is. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM. Well, MMY used to use an analogy equating TM with building a house. SoI think a 30 year nortgage is called for -- to be automaticalydeducted from ones checking account each month. So I think a 30 yrmortgage on TMO initiation is called for.At 10% down, $250, and at a 5% fixed rate, the payments would be $.40a day, or just over $12/month. Cheaper than basic cable. And I supposeadvanced programs, yagyas, AV, could be treated all the same. Highrollers might sign up for the "mansion" of inner housing and take all40 vedic pathways to enlightenment, for a mere $480 / month. Of course, the rage now is 103% financing for homes, so that no downpayment is required, and closing costs are covered by the extra 3%.A TMO equivalent 30 yr 103% financing monthly mortgage payment wouldbe 45 cents a day or $13.82 per month. The extra $75 (the 3%) couldcover fruit, flowers, and tips for the flower girls. Knowing MMY, actually, I think he would love this idea. (not a ding,but if this idea were brought up, he would go, "yes, very good, weshould do it."Of course the movement can bundle up all the mortgages and sell themoff to get the value of the mortgage now (You know, living in the NOW)-- like banks do to Fannie Mae with their housing mortgages. Butwill the TMO only be paid back in Raams? And I am not sure what happens if someone defaults on their loan. Dothey get a "sin dump" -- all their TMO absorbed sin dumped back onthem in whole, at once? After a few poor souls got that effect, andwere so physically and mentally wiped out by it, I am sure few afterthat would dare to default. Poster could be made -- "Do you want toend up like this guy? Then TM twice a day, and once a month at the bank."To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pete Seeger
Title: Pete Seeger Pretty - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pete Seeger Apologies to Pete Seeger By Anon Where have all the pundits gone? Long time passing. Where have all the pundits gone? Long time ago. Where have all the pundits gone? The girls have picked them ev'ry one. Oh, when will we ever learn? Oh, when will we ever learn? Where have all the young sidhas gone? Long time passing. Where have all the young sidhas gone? Long time ago. Where have all the young sidhas gone? They've left town, every one. Oh, when will we ever learn? Oh, when will we ever learn? Where have all the governors gone? Long time passing. Where have all the governors gone? Long time ago. Where have all the governors gone? They're all out of uniform. Oh, when will we ever learn? Oh, when will we ever learn? Where have all the monies gone? Long time passing. Where have all the monies gone? Long time ago. Where have all the monies gone? They've gone to Swiss banks, every one. Oh, when will we ever learn? Oh, when will we ever learn? Where have all the donors gone? Long time passing. Where have all the donors gone? Long time ago. Where have all the donors gone? They're covered with large debts, every one. Oh, when will we ever learn? Oh, when will we ever learn? Where have all the pundits gone? Long time passing. Where have all the pundits gone? Long time ago. Where have all the pundits gone? Young girls picked them, every one. Oh, when will we ever learn? Oh, when will we ever learn? To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati also disputes the validity of the religious title the Shankracharya of Kanchi holds. And note that the latter has the support of Ammachi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, so go figure... - After a charge of murder, the Shankracharya of Kanchi has now to contend with a question on the validity of the religious title he holds. The aspersion was cast by the Shankyacharya of Dwarka Shardapeeth, Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati on Thursday in a press conference in Varanasi. Kanchi is not among the four recognised peeths established by the Adi Sankaracharya. The constant reference by the media to Jayendra Saraswati as Shankaracharya is an insult to the revered post. He is simply the priest of a religious sect, Swami Saraswati noted. There was also criticism for the various self styled Shankracharyas who were taking up media space to vent their views on the issue. While describing the arrest as unfortunate he noted that it had failed to stir the sentiments of Hindus as he had been arrested in a criminal matter. The followers of Sanatam dharma are shocked by the involvement of one of the guardians of our religion in a crime so heinous. The swami also poured scorn on the BJP for taking up the issue. The party has taken up the issue for vested political interests. It is a ploy to demonstrate to the masses that the party is sympathetic to the sentiments of Hindus. He added that those leaders whose images had been sullied because of their inactivity in the Ram Janmbhoomi case were now trying to cash in on the issue to redeem their standing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/25/05 6:44:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On this very issue, Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati, a direct disciple of Gurudev was asked:- Q: Brahmananda Saraswati did not charge any fees when he used to initiate? SwaroopanandJi: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami Tulsidas: The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in return for initiation, steals disciples property and goes to damnable hell. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the best way for all of us initiators who have initiated for money over the years to make amends is to go out and teach at least as many people for free that you taught for a fee. No teaching for free is only the norm. You have to teach as many people as you initiated and pay them each the initiation fee in order to resolve your sins. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Talk of the Nation: persistent vegetative states, etc.
NPR's Talk of the Nation Science Friday will discuss the clinical issues currently under debate in the Schiavo casepersistent vegetative states and minimal consciousness at 1 pm today FF time. The program will also be available in the archive at NPR.org if you would like to hear it but read this too late or have conflicting plans. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, luzalma1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati also disputes the validity of the religious title the Shankracharya of Kanchi holds. And note that the latter has the support of Ammachi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, so go figure... As I mentioned to another on this list:- In matters of scriptural authority I would be guided by the Shankaracharya who is himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati - 'Guru Dev', rather than by an anonymous internet poster. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati: a reliable source
http://deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec042004/n20.asp Jayendra Saraswati is no Shankaracharya: Dwarka Shankracharya Lucknow, dhns: After a charge of murder, the Shankracharya of Kanchi has now to contend with a question on the validity of the religious title he holds. The aspersion was cast by the Shankyacharya of Dwarka Shardapeeth Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati on Thursday in a press conference in Varanasi. Kanchi is not among the four recognised peeths established by the Adi Sankaracharya. The constant reference by the media to Jayendra Saraswati as Shankaracharya is an insult to the revered post. He is simply the priest of a religious sect, Swami Saraswati noted. He was however quick to voice his appreciation for the social work done by the Kanchi Kamkoti Mutt under the guidance of Jayendra Saraswati. There was also criticism for the various self styled Shankracharyas who were taking up media space to vent their views on the issue. While describing the arrest as unfortunate he noted that it had failed to stir the sentiments of Hindus as he had been arrested in a criminal matter. The followers of Sanatam dharma are shocked by the involvement of one of the guardians of our religion in a crime so heinous. The swami also poured scorn on the BJP for taking up the issue. The party has taken up the issue for vested political interests. It is a ploy to demonstrate to the masses that the party is sympathetic to the sentiments of Hindus. He added that those leaders whose images had been sullied because of their inactivity in the Ram Janmbhoomi case were now trying to cash in on the issue to redeem their standing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad to hear this (because he's [Hagelin] in my downline). Yes, I hear when he speaks, he places on the podium a three-piece folding picture frame, with pictures of GD, MMY and Rick. Rick, does he invite you up on stage with him when he speaks? And has your head at least 6 higher than his? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I owe a hundredthousand bucks on my undergrad .. Perhaps thats what holding up Heaven on Earth. It won't happen until you fully pay back your loan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, luzalma1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hagelin Gets Raves, Standing Ovations at Prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica; Will Speak at Next Five Conference Sessions A standing-room-only, overflow crowd of more than 1,000 conference participants cheered and leapt to their feet for three standing ovations during Dr. John Hagelin's presentation at the prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica on February 4-6. If this were so, and the conference were a big deal, then why didn't any news outlet report on it this -- other than TMO PR people? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] correction on Science Friday
Second hour. 2 pm today, FF time. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] correction to correction
They fooled me. Starts now (1:20). L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Talk of the Nation: persistent vegetative states, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NPR's Talk of the Nation Science Friday will discuss the clinical issues currently under debate in the Schiavo casepersistent vegetative states and minimal consciousness at 1 pm today FF time. The program will also be available in the archive at NPR.org if you would like to hear it but read this too late or have conflicting plans. L B S + At this point it doesn't make much difference as the judge ruled that the girl is in PVS from experts testimony which carries more weight than the girl sying she wanted the live. I wonder how this will affect the tourist and retirement industry' Picture the brochures saying come to sunny Florida, we can make you forget all your problems in less than two weeks They might get some competion from North Dakota however as there, they could leave them outside over nite- I hear freezing to death isnt bad either- just blissfully go to sleep. What BS To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
on 3/25/05 1:03 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad to hear this (because he's [Hagelin] in my downline). Yes, I hear when he speaks, he places on the podium a three-piece folding picture frame, with pictures of GD, MMY and Rick. Rick, does he invite you up on stage with him when he speaks? And has your head at least 6 higher than his? No, but at my nephew's MSAE graduation, which I attended, he told the story of how I had initiated him in his body cast in his school infirmary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had initiated him in his body cast in his school infirmary. wow, now thats a heavy duty kosha you had to deal with. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
on 3/25/05 1:34 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had initiated him in his body cast in his school infirmary. wow, now thats a heavy duty kosha you had to deal with. He and Dr. Pete had been in a motorcycle accident together. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
We'll pay you to practice TM. Now that's a great fucking idea! I bet it still wouldn't work though. Too much suspicion. All the fundies would think satan was eloping. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: And the best way for all of us initiators who have initiated formoney over the years to make amends is to go out and teach at least as many people for free that you taught for a fee.No teaching for free is only the norm. You have to teach as manypeople as you initiated and pay them each the initiation fee in orderto resolve your sins. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Perhaps thats what holding up Heaven on Earth. It won't happen untilyou fully pay back your loan. I was always an undermotivated under acheiver, Lord, why did you place this burden upon me? Could not someone help me pay back my loans and support heaven on earth? I prefer sponsors only. They will get a favorable shout out in all future editions of my emails like this: --==This message brought to you by ~~Kelly Clarksson~~ Thanks Kelly, You Rock!==-- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:I had initiated him in his body cast in his school infirmary.wow, now thats a heavy duty kosha you had to deal with. ---He never forgot it. It could have been his own personal dark retreat time?! Outer analogies are too quick and pat: So also Patanjali? In one of our members other lives he had another even more iconoclastic listserve and there people discussed ideas about how the early tm sidhis were tested on people like guinea pigs. ...we're all guinea pigs of something. Something good is happening. The Holy T is flowing. Springtime is coming, For Hitler and his men. So put roses in your rifles and pack up the stocks. Put the merry padlock on your glocks. Terrorists should prolly whack their cocks (oh my place him on a deathlist somewhere so that if he ever goes through kabul we'll) ---Like this analogy. About Patanjali. Was he just a bit to pat? Cause certainly theTM practice of the sidhis, isn't quite all that? You teachersare only guilty of lying to the public about levitation. That is your greatest sin. We all can hope but that doesn't mean we're in. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
http://www.greatmystery.org/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, luzalma1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hagelin Gets Raves, Standing Ovations at Prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica; Will Speak at Next Five Conference Sessions A standing-room-only, overflow crowd of more than 1,000 conference participants cheered and leapt to their feet for three standing ovations during Dr. John Hagelin's presentation at the prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica on February 4- 6. If this were so, and the conference were a big deal, then why didn't any news outlet report on it this -- other than TMO PR people? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children
From: akasha_108 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _ From: Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his epic poem, Savitri, Sri Aurobindo vividly describes a new race of humanity emerging on Earth, as different from humans today as we have ever been to the evolutions that have preceded us: ...I saw them cross the twilight of an age, The sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn, Great creators with wide brows of calm, The massive barrier-breakers of the world, Laborers in the quarries of the gods. The architects of immortality. Into the fallen human sphere they came, Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still. Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light. Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy, Lips chanting an unknown anthem of the soul, Feet echoing in the corridors of Time. High priests of wisdom, sweetness, might, and bliss; Discoverers of beauty's sunlit ways. Their tread one day shall change the suffering earth And justify the light on Nature's face. (Savitri, pp. 343-4) Sri Aurobindo seemed to indicate that a new genus or species is emerging among us. We have a ways to go before this will happen, however. He saw that there would have to be a transitional species before the true supramental species was able to enter the rarefied realms of a purified Earth. He saw that each successive generation would carry this evolutionary potential further, and that we would develop through the human human stage up to the overhuman stage before the supramental being could be anchored into the true physical realm of fourth dimensional matter. + Thanks, Reverberations touching the strings of the heart to bring tears to an old mans eyes. I have written similar things too and, have a feeling for them. - I guess he was wrong about that. That is NOT what is happening now and for the foreseeable future. We addressed this issue back on 3/1/2005 12:39 in the creation theory thread. I can re-post mine here if you like. It essentially explains how, through the conquest of natural selection and high technology, humans are becoming less beautiful and more bizarre-looking. -Mark Speak for yourself and your kids. :) -- Seriously - I AM in fact speaking for myself. I have educated myself and prospered enough in a high tech society that I have chosen to not reproduce. Also relevant are the characteristics I *obviously* share with the many other child-free individuals in this society: beauty and intelligence J -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] College lifestyle
Has this been posted yet? I dedicate it to MDixon: From http://tinyurl.com/4yq7y (but it's a royal pain to sign in for access, so just read the complete article below) Pioneer Press Posted on Tue, Mar. 22, 2005 Campus lifestyle doing more damage than liberal profs LAURA BILLINGS One study of political party registration among college professors found that more than 80 percent of Stanford University instructors were not Republicans, a fact that many readers have pointed to as proof of why we need an Academic Bill of Rights to protect students from lefty professors. But here's a statistic even more shocking: A recent survey of Stanford medical students and undergraduates found that 80 percent of them qualified as officially sleep-deprived, which may go much farther in explaining why some college students have trouble telling the difference between the free market and Marxism. Maybe it's not those liberal professors that are damaging college students' brains. Maybe it's the college experience itself. A lot of folks are starting to ask this question not just those parents whose students can't quite recall what classes they are taking when they bring their laundry home for spring break. Last week, the American Association of Higher Education's annual conference at the United Nations focused on what colleges and universities may have to do to improve the skill level of students and make their schools more accountable to the public. This month's Psychology Today outlines The Perils of Higher Education and suggests that the hallmarks of the undergraduate lifestyle late nights, keg parties and drive- through meals may be the antithesis of a healthy learning environment. Even the brain researchers at the Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition at the Maharishi University of Management (yes, that Maharishi) held a conference in Iowa on Friday, as part of National Brain Awareness Week, that asked, Does the college experience damage your brain? The correct answer is yes. Let's start with sleep, since most college students never will. According to the National Sleep Foundation, most young adults average just 6.8 hours of sleep a night, more than an hour short of what researchers say your brain needs to process everything it took in during the day before. For instance, declarative memory what you need to remember the quadratic equation, or to tell a Monet from a Manet depends on the slow-wave sleep patterns typical of the first two hours after you fall asleep. Procedural memory what you need to write it all down in a blue book requires the deep sleep that usually comes in the last two hours of a standard eight-hour cycle. As for the people who stay up all night after learning a new skill, researchers find most of that information is lost just a week later. A poor diet can be just as damaging. A study at the Medical University of South Carolina found that rats fed diets high in trans fats, the stuff you find in fast foods, had a harder time getting through mental mazes than rats with healthier diets. The trans fat-fed rats also exhibited some of the same neurological changes seen in Alzheimer's patients and had swelling around the hippocampus, the part of the brain that regulates learning and memory. As for drinking, a recent Harvard University study of 10,000 college students nationwide found that 44 percent drank enough to qualify as bingers. And those weekend benders have consequences in the classroom. One University of North Carolina study put rats on a binge diet of alcohol and studied what happened when the nerve cells born during their binge reached maturity. The drunken rats produced about half as many brain cells as those produced by their sober classmates, and those cells died at twice the rate of cells created in sober nervous systems. There's a reason they call it the lost weekend. As we consider legislation to protect our students from professors who don't share their political views, maybe we should concentrate on other environmental hurdles to a well-rounded college education. If college students ate well, limited their alcohol intake and got plenty of rest, they might not need an Academic Bill of Rights at all. They'd probably have the brainpower they'd need to think for themselves. Laura Billings can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 651-228-5584. http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/columnists/laura_billings/ 11196250.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
In a message dated 3/25/05 12:39:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the best way for all of us initiators who have initiated formoney over the years to make amends is to go out and teach at least as many people for free that you taught for a fee.No teaching for free is only the norm. You have to teach as manypeople as you initiated and pay them each the initiation fee in orderto resolve your sins. I won't argue with that! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Stephanie Oakes on TM
CBS News -- The Early Show The National Institutes of Health found that 80 to 90 percent of all illnesses are caused by stress, either directly or indirectly, Oakes says. Clearly, something more than positive thinking, counseling, morale boosters or even traditional exercise is needed. Transcendental meditation technique was found to be more than twice as effective at reducing stress than any other form of relaxation. http://tinyurl.com/3nk4l ** Anybody know if Stephanie Oakes is Bob Oate's wife? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/05 10:56 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. Tom Well, that explains it. Rick clearly messed up his into lecture bad. And prolly gave Peter the wrong mantra, which has desroyed Peter's brain so bad now that he is so delusional, he thinks he doesn't exist. And Haiglin is off doing well need i say more. Rick appears to be at the root of so many problems today: FFL, Tom, Peter, Haiglin, Chopra. And he likes Alison Krauss music. Clearly he is deranged and a threat to society. Rick left years ago and an alien walk-in took over. Bwahaahaa! There is some question at what point the alien walk-in took over, since Rick was clever enough to use heroin in the two weeks before he was initiated, rationalizing this as something easily metabolized, and therefore not breaking the advice not to use illicit drugs for two weeks before initiation into TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/05 10:56 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. Tom Well, that explains it. Rick clearly messed up his into lecture bad. And prolly gave Peter the wrong mantra, which has desroyed Peter's brain so bad now that he is so delusional, he thinks he doesn't exist. And Haiglin is off doing well need i say more. Rick appears to be at the root of so many problems today: FFL, Tom, Peter, Haiglin, Chopra. And he likes Alison Krauss music. Clearly he is deranged and a threat to society. Rick left years ago and an alien walk-in took over. Bwahaahaa! There is some question at what point the alien walk-in took over, since Rick was clever enough to use heroin in the two weeks before he was initiated, rationalizing this as something easily metabolized, and therefore not breaking the advice not to use illicit drugs for two weeks before initiation into TM. Bob, I heard your alien walk in walked out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad to hear this (because he's in my downline). Seems to me that if practical people took over and restructured the movement (although Bob B. wouldn't include John in that bunch) and cut out all the kooky stuff, the movement could bounce back and thrive. * But the Prophets Conference that Hagelin spoke at is the kooky stuff, part of the campaign to legitimatize the half-witted droolery of Ramtha. It used to be the TMO would get people like Buckminister Fuller to attend TM conferences, to enhance the reputation of TM. Now the worst sort of new age crap like Ramtha is embraced by Hagelin, as if this pathetic hoax has any business sharing a stage with TM and Vedic wisdom: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#fruitcake on 3/25/05 11:57 AM, luzalma1 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hagelin Gets Raves, Standing Ovations at Prestigious Prophets Conference in Santa Monica; Will Speak at Next Five Conference Sessions To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have taken a statement from a sworn enemy of Maharishi to prove your point, but it's not a point well-taken. Since you present yourself so well acquainted with the situation, perhaps you would explain why the Shankaracharya of not one but two maths and himself a direct disciple of Guru Dev is a 'sworn enemy of Maharishi'? ** I asked you to present evidence that there was more than one person acting as Shankaracharya (whether he claims the title to two maths or not -- disputed claims, one might add) who was opposed to Maharishi. You have not done so. You have also not acknowledged the clear fact that the Gurudakshina (preceptor's fee) is a well-established fact in Vedic culture. If Lord Krishna can pay a fee, then John and Jane Doe can certainly do so. As far as why Swaroopanand is opposed to MMY, I would have to attribute this to simple jealousy. The Kaliyuga is full of scoundrels, and it is not surprising that one is found even in the seat of a Shankaracharya. The fact that another Shankaracharya is on trial for murder (whether he is guilty or not, this is indicative of the character of the times) says all you need to know about the level that life is lived now in the Kaliyuga in India, something that Maharishi is attempting to change through TM and his funding of the pundits project in India. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: I don't hear other Shankaracharyas engaging in jealous condemnation of Maharishi, yet you take at face value what one Shankaracharya says as definitive. I have. Although I wouldn't call it jealousy, I'd call it disgust. That's not to say MMY hasn't done some good things--he has. But he's certainly not a revival of the Vedic tradition by any means. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/25/05 5:32 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is some question at what point the alien walk-in took over, since Rick was clever enough to use heroin in the two weeks before he was initiated, rationalizing this as something easily metabolized, and therefore not breaking the advice not to use illicit drugs for two weeks before initiation into TM. Ooops! I guess that invalidates the decades of TM and years of rounding I did. I'd better get re-initiated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
on 3/25/05 5:37 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Prophets Conference that Hagelin spoke at is the kooky stuff, part of the campaign to legitimatize the half-witted droolery of Ramtha. It used to be the TMO would get people like Buckminister Fuller to attend TM conferences, to enhance the reputation of TM. Now the worst sort of new age crap like Ramtha is embraced by Hagelin, as if this pathetic hoax has any business sharing a stage with TM and Vedic wisdom: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#fruitcake Yeah but the interesting part is that New Age folks, who are abundant, are keenly interested in what Hagelin has to say, snatch up MUM literature, etc. Seems to me that they didn't run into Majesties, Rajas, and obscene initiation fees when they scratched the surface, the resurgence in TM popularity you're always predicting might happen, MUM enrollment might skyrocket, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/25/05 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's just say, he acknowledged the guy had siddhis and was very psychic but one thing was clear: he was not very holy. Did he go into specifics? On the side if you prefer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prophets Conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/05 5:37 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Prophets Conference that Hagelin spoke at is the kooky stuff, part of the campaign to legitimatize the half-witted droolery of Ramtha. It used to be the TMO would get people like Buckminister Fuller to attend TM conferences, to enhance the reputation of TM. Now the worst sort of new age crap like Ramtha is embraced by Hagelin, as if this pathetic hoax has any business sharing a stage with TM and Vedic wisdom: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#fruitcake Yeah but the interesting part is that New Age folks, who are abundant, are keenly interested in what Hagelin has to say, snatch up MUM literature, etc. Seems to me that they didn't run into Majesties, Rajas, and obscene initiation fees when they scratched the surface, the resurgence in TM popularity you're always predicting might happen, MUM enrollment might skyrocket, etc. * The whole problem with the TM movement is that early adopters of TM have been disproportionately crackpot, trying to attract even more from the ranks of Ramtha devotees would be a mistake. TM needs to be pitched to practical people who are looking for a way to enjoy their life more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Freemasons et al
Any comment on the Rocicrucians and their knowledge by MMY? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Freemasons et al
On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:29 PM, peterklutz wrote: Any comment on the Rocicrucians and their knowledge by MMY? Did you know I was a Freemasonic scholar? Ask something more specific. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Freemasons et al
On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:29 PM, peterklutz wrote: Any comment on the Rocicrucians and their knowledge by MMY? If you are asking if MMY ever commented on Freemasonry, I had heard he said this tradition was lost. I would think this probably came from Charlie Lutes era. I should also point out that the Rosicrucian Enlightenment did not stem from real Rosicrucians. It was a hoax that was part of the reformation. While the Rosicrucian Enlightenment did influence Speculative Freemasonic ritual there is no connection between the mythical Rosicrucians and Speculative Freemasonry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: California version of the latest message
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message to Governors and Sidhas March 23, 2005 Le damn American imperialists: Area 7: Hawaii, Alaska and French Polynesia Please select your preferred Peace Palace location now by going to this link and completing your form to become full-time. MAHARISHI'S OFFER TO GOVERNORS AND CITIZEN SIDHAS To Immediately Become Full-Time Rajas of the Global Country of World Peace And Take the Fastest Path to Enlightenment While Preparing the Ground for the Descent of Heaven on Earth Dear Governors and Citizen Sidhas of the Age of Enlightenment, Jai Guru Dev Summary of Main Points: 1.. The collective consciousness of the world is now ready for deeper experience and growth towards Peace and Enlightenment. 2.. Maharishi wants to train those Governors and Sidhas, who will be full time, to be Rajasreal administrators of Natural Lawwho will begin to function from the level of the Constitution of the Universe, Total Natural Law. 3.. Maharishi wants to start the Movement afresh with full time people. Only full time people will be able to teach in each area. 4.. All governors are requested to decide now, in the next 2-3 days, if they want to be part of this new initiative. Maharishi will begin to train those who commit, and the Movement will begin to pay salaries for teaching and administering. Details of the Message Since the historic Coronation ceremony for 14 Rajas of the Global Country of World Peace in February, Maharishi has sensed an awakening of bliss and positivity in the world. This has inspired a new program to create 2,400 Rajas in America and 600 additional Rajas worldwidea total of 3,000 new Rajasby Guru Purnima Day, July 21, 2005. With this achievement in this Year of Golden Jubilee (Celebration of 50 years of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Movement), Maharishi will welcome the descent of Heaven on Earththe onset of Sat Yuga and the end of Kali Yuga. The structure of the Movement in America is changing this week. The Movement is starting anew as Sat Yuga is descending. In the U.S., each of the new Rajas will be trained to administer one of 2,400 Peace Palaces. This is Maharishi's kind and generous offerto make available Raja training for all Governors and Citizen Sidhas who choose to be full-time and establish and administer a Peace Palace location. Maharishi said: It's a new Movement we are starting. The old was not enough for us. Now the Movement has started anew. Maharishi is expressing this because He has felt a great opening in world consciousness. He now feels that He is ready and able to train as many governors as come forward to be real channels for the decent of Heaven on Earth, Sat Yuga. He wants to bring all the old time people to a mature state of knowledge and experience. He wants to train us to create for ourselves and for the world from within ourselves, and to know by Being, and to create from Being, so that we are masters of our own destiny and the destiny of the world. In starting the Movement anew, Maharishi wants it to be a full time profession. He is asking for those with a deep commitment to teaching the knowledge and a full time focus on their personal enlightenment. He is saying that he will personally begin to train those who come forward immediately. As we learned more fully in our Raja training program, He has a profound and infinite ability to transform our lives, and in the process, to transform the world. He only needs people with commitment and the ability to face the challenges. What He can give solely depends on us. The limited mind of the disciple becomes the mind of the Master only when it is willing to follow that Cosmic Mind, and culture the awareness in that cosmic value. What we receive compared to what we do is really the best deal in creation. This is the gift of the Holy Tradition of Masters. They give and give and give, and we really just have to be open to receiving. Maharishi now wants to know who will take part in this new fulltime Movement. We have a list of about 300 centers for the territory. All those who want to be part of this must choose a center NOW and be ready to be full time to cover the activities in that center. Only those teachers who wish to participate full time will be permitted to teach or administer full time projects in that area. These full time people will be the channels for the knowledge that Maharishi wants to bring out now. Others can be the recipients like anyone else in the area, but they will not be the teachers of the knowledge any longer. This in no way is meant to limit participation in all the movement's projects and activities. We cherish all the support that has continually come from all the well-wishers of the movement, support that nourishes all its activities. The new policy simply
[FairfieldLife] Chopra weighs in on Shaivo
Deepak Chopra was interviewed on CNN re: Terry Shaivo by Anderson Cooper--will most likely replay tonight. Just more proof: the movement has left the movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra weighs in on Shaivo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deepak Chopra was interviewed on CNN re: Terry Shaivo by Anderson Cooper--will most likely replay tonight. I don't have access to CNN. Can you give a brief summary of what he said? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The indigo soul and the existential crisis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I'm indigo, so what? so is Michael Jackson. I guess he falls into the troubled teen category To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HEYYY
Heyyy, it looks all different. Wot up? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] OK I'll Do it !
Sign me up for the 2,000 dollars a month thing with the regular cut of the teaching price over and above that. (plus room and board?). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HEYYY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heyyy, it looks all different. Wot up? ME tooo and i don't like people changing this stuff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra weighs in on Shaivo
He believes disconnecting the tube was the right decision as she has no conscious awareness. He said a bit more than that but that was his main point, I believe. Sal On Mar 25, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: I don't have access to CNN. Can you give a brief summary of what he said?
[FairfieldLife] Re: HEYYY
The order of message on the Web site is now reversed, and there doesn't appear to be a way to look up a specific posting number now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heyyy, it looks all different. Wot up? ME tooo and i don't like people changing this stuff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
Vaj wrote: Did you know I was a Freemasonic scholar? Ask something more specific. Cripes, Vaj, I'm starting to worry about you. To be so erudite, you must be neglecting something in life. Food? Sleep? To your point, I don't have a specific question -- just the opposite. I'd like the elevator speech on Freemasonry, particularly vis-a-vis its evolutionary practices, if any. Thanks. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:05 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Cripes, Vaj, I'm starting to worry about you. To be so erudite, you must be neglecting something in life. Food? Sleep? No, sorry to disappoint you. This is the way I have always been. I come from a family of Masons. I am also a member of the Philalethes, a research society. I have had some involvement since a teenager--actually my TM initiation at 14 was a couple of days apart from my first Masonic initiation. To your point, I don't have a specific question -- just the opposite. I'd like the elevator speech on Freemasonry, particularly vis-a-vis its evolutionary practices, if any. Divine Theurgy, primarily, and Christian / Jewish Kabbalah but in a universal format utilizing an architectural motif; it is largely used for promoting moral development thru universal symbols. Freemasonry only exists in countries where there is freedom for its citizens. It's original impetus (in the Dark Ages) was to end of feudalism and to allow the rise of freedom for all peoples on the level. One of the first things a totalitarian society will do is ban Freemasonry, e.g. Nazi Germany and almost all Islamic countries (Turkey being the exception). Interestingly, parallel organizations exist among the architectural castes of India. You can locate all the basic ideas of Freemasonry in Vedic texts. The Freemasonic Grand Architect of the Universe is Maha-vishva-karman in India. There is currently a movement in this country to re-seed all religious traditions with universal tools of Gnosis via esoteric Freemasonry. I am a founding member of this movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Educational Mortgages --- (was PRICE OF TM.)
akasha_108 wrote: [interesting stuff snipped] Interesting ideas. The Ownership Society applied to education. Numerous econometric studies have shown that investment in human capital far exceeds investment in physical capital. (Even though investment in physical capital is also a great thing and responsible for higher productivity rates and consequently higher national wage rates.) Is it true that research finds investment in human capital to offer a high return? It makes sense, but that which makes sense is often not true when examined, and I've never seen a review of the research. I've read that HeadStart pays for itself many times over, and I've seen education levels pegged to income levels.* But years ago I ran across a study that found nothing matched investments in infrastructure for generating economic activity. It was a PhD thesis that found education to be poorly correlated to economic growth, but that roads, bridges and sewers more than paid for themselves in economic activity. - Patrick Gillam * (I've also seen a lot of masters and PhD owners earning in the 40's. I participated in some research where we asked people their education levels and incomes, and was shocked at how little these well- educated people were making. Must have been teachers, all of them. Appropriately, the research was in University City, Missouri.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HEYYY
You can look up a specific post # by typing it into the URL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goddammit. This reminds me how I felt about the New Coke. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The order of message on the Web site is now reversed, and there doesn't appear to be a way to look up a specific posting number now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heyyy, it looks all different. Wot up? ME tooo and i don't like people changing this stuff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:40 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Also, in the city I grew up in -- Montreal -- they have a really neat-looking Masonic Temple... Indeed--a very nice temple, and a huge French Masonic presence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stephanie Oakes on TM
--- Ms Oates is seriously mistaken.Infact few if any diseases are solely caused by stress(although stress is a mediating factor in many diseases). The truth is the biggest single cause of disease is aging eg someone is many times more likely to get cancer at 80 then at 18.Reducing stress via any relaxation technique TN included while likely having a positive effect on most meditators health will not be any more important than other behaviors eg not smoking,eating a calorie restricted diet and getting a good nights sleep etc.Kevin No. Her name is Patricia Oates Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 641-472-9336 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://searchsummit.com -Original Message- From: Bob Brigante [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stephanie Oakes on TM CBS News -- The Early Show The National Institutes of Health found that 80 to 90 percent of all illnesses are caused by stress, either directly or indirectly, Oakes says. Clearly, something more than positive thinking, counseling, morale boosters or even traditional exercise is needed. Transcendental meditation technique was found to be more than twice as effective at reducing stress than any other form of relaxation. http://tinyurl.com/3nk4l ** Anybody know if Stephanie Oakes is Bob Oate's wife? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:29 PM, peterklutz wrote: Any comment on the Rocicrucians and their knowledge by MMY? Did you know I was a Freemasonic scholar? Ask something more specific. Ok. Do you know what they hid at Rosslynn? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Freemasons et al
Is MMY really a grade 33 Freemason? - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Freemasons et al On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:29 PM, peterklutz wrote: Any comment on the Rocicrucians and their knowledge by MMY?Did you know I was a Freemasonic scholar? Ask something more specific.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HEYYY
on 3/25/05 9:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The order of message on the Web site is now reversed, and there doesn't appear to be a way to look up a specific posting number now. There's still a search messages box. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: The only adaption that Maharishi has made to the Gurudakshina is to front-load it The thing is Bob--MMY never set himself up as a Guru. I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard people say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it. However, when you sit up in front of people and wait until someone puts your deerskin down before you get seated. when everyone stands up when you come in the room, and waits for you to sit down and then sit down, when they hang on your every word and you have words to direct every aspect of a person's life, when you give people blessings to get married or advise against it, when you have men and women leading monkish lives and following your every advice, when you have a university in your own name and the basis of the universisty is development of consciousness, when people follow rigorous diets and follow what appear to be extreme suggestions for improving healtn and the many others things I have left out, it is pretty hard to claim non-Guruhood. Ken He never gave a guru mantra--or any of the samayas (vows) which typically go with guru-diksha. It's interesting, I was at a Buddhist teaching retreat with an old yogin who had just come out of the cave monasteries in India. At the retreat was an old Buddhist practitioner who was Mike Love's personal roadie. He had accompanied Mike to India with Maharishi. From a Buddhist it was interesting to hear his reaction to this Hindu holy man. Let's just say, he acknowledged the guy had siddhis and was very psychic but one thing was clear: he was not very holy. It was an eye-opener for me and just part of a long process of learning the truth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HEYYY
That goes back, what, one hundred messages? Was worthless. Still is. Someone really needs to create a decent mining tool for this and enable creation of independent archives. Wish I had the programming skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/05 9:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The order of message on the Web site is now reversed, and there doesn't appear to be a way to look up a specific posting number now. There's still a search messages box. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: The only adaption that Maharishi has made to the Gurudakshina is to front-load it The thing is Bob--MMY never set himself up as a Guru. I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard people say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it. However, when you sit up in front of people and wait until someone puts your deerskin down before you get seated. when everyone stands up when you come in the room, and waits for you to sit down and then sit down, when they hang on your every word and you have words to direct every aspect of a person's life, when you give people blessings to get married or advise against it, when you have men and women leading monkish lives and following your every advice, when you have a university in your own name and the basis of the universisty is development of consciousness, when people follow rigorous diets and follow what appear to be extreme suggestions for improving healtn and the many others things I have left out, it is pretty hard to claim non-Guruhood. Ken Until you know that: Maharishi slept on the floor at the foot of Guru Dev's bed; people do not follow rigorous diets, but in fact choose what they want to eat; development of consciousness does not require any devotion to a guru; the reporters at the White House stand up when the President enters the room; Maharishi does not attempt to direct every aspect of a person's life (but instead says do as you feel to do); advised only a few people like Larry Domash not to get married (because he would be able to devote more time and energy to the TM movement, a reasonable suggestion for a key employee); Ayurveda does not make extreme suggestions for improving health. The guru-disciple relationship is much more close than what anybody has with MMY. If you read about MMY's relationship with Guru Dev, then you understand what it truly implies: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/25/05 11:56 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until you know that: Maharishi slept on the floor at the foot of Guru Dev's bed; people do not follow rigorous diets, but in fact choose what they want to eat; development of consciousness does not require any devotion to a guru; the reporters at the White House stand up when the President enters the room; Maharishi does not attempt to direct every aspect of a person's life (but instead says do as you feel to do); advised only a few people like Larry Domash not to get married (because he would be able to devote more time and energy to the TM movement, a reasonable suggestion for a key employee); Ayurveda does not make extreme suggestions for improving health. The guru-disciple relationship is much more close than what anybody has with MMY. If you read about MMY's relationship with Guru Dev, then you understand what it truly implies: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#dev No one can be a personal guru to the masses, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think he had a very close guru/diciple relationship with the inner circle. Bevan, Neil, Nand Kishore, Rindi, Tony Nader, and others. In fact, he said to a friend of mine, There comes a time when the guru decides to get personally involved in the life of the disciple. For a core group of people, that involvement has been going on for decades. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening --and My Three Suns
Akasha, To tackle your questions on the traditional koshas or sheaths, we could maybe align the koshas with the chakras etc. as follows: (Purusha -- Crown chakra -- absolute; subtlest spirit) Self = Atman = Brow chakra unmanifest Avyakta (middle spirit) Bliss = Anandamaya kosha = Throat chakra Mahat-atman (dense spirit) Wisdom = Vijnanamaya kosha = Heart chakra buddhi (intuition; subtle soul) Mental = Manamaya kosha = Navel chakra manas (lower mind; dense soul) (Ahamkara, or causal body, solar angel -- solar plexus; middle soul) Energy = Pranamaya kosha = Sex chakra indriyas (sense organs; subtle physical) Physical = Annamaya kosha = Base chakra karmendriyas (organs of action; middle physical) (Prakriti -- Mother Divine; divine matter; Feet chakra; dense physical) As mentioned in earlier posts, from their footprints we can trace the gradual descent of Purusha (Pu.) and ascent of Prakriti (Pr.) through these various dimensions -- brow (Pu.) base (Pr.) in C.C., throat (Pu.) sex (Pr.) in G.C., heart (Pu.) navel (Pr.) in U.C., whereupon they meet at the Ahamkara. Continuing on, they overlap, rendering the Ahamkara obsolete in B.C. as Prakriti rises into the heart and Purusha descends into the navel. K.C. arises as Pr. ascends into throat and Pu. descends into sex. S.C. follows when Pr. ascends to the brow and Pu. descends into base. There is a bit of synchronicity here: the three extra sheaths I placed in parentheses -- Purusha, Ahamkara, and Prakriti -- are not precisely sheaths; they partake of an essentially divine nature. (While the other 6 pair off to form the 12 -- adityas, disciples, zodiac signs, etc., these three remain single.) We can see Purusha, Prakriti and Ahamkara as a Trinity -- traditionally, Purusha as Father, Prakriti as Mother, and Ahamkara as Christ, the child-mediator or divine human between Father-Heaven (Purusha; absolute) and Mother- Earth (Prakriti; relative). As MMY seems to have hinted in his latest poster, these may appear as three suns -- one at the crown, one at the feet, and one at the bottom of the heart, or solar plexus. It can be interesting to visualize these three suns and then to gradually see them merge at one's center, the ahamkara, whereupon they flood the universe with light. LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening --and My Three Suns
Correction -- in previous post, the Ahamkara (solar plexus) should be between Wisdom-Vijnanamaya kosha (heart) and the Manamaya kosha (navel), as below. And please note, placing these koshas at specific chakras is from Purusha's point of view only -- each kosha surrounds the entire body... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha, To tackle your questions on the traditional koshas or sheaths, we could maybe align the koshas with the chakras etc. as follows: (Purusha -- Crown chakra -- absolute; subtlest spirit) Self = Atman = Brow chakra unmanifest Avyakta (middle spirit) Bliss = Anandamaya kosha = Throat chakra Mahat-atman (dense spirit) Wisdom = Vijnanamaya kosha = Heart chakra buddhi (intuition; subtle soul) (Ahamkara, or causal body, solar angel -- solar plexus; middle soul) Mental = Manamaya kosha = Navel chakra manas (lower mind; dense soul) Energy = Pranamaya kosha = Sex chakra indriyas (sense organs; subtle physical) Physical = Annamaya kosha = Base chakra karmendriyas (organs of action; middle physical) (Prakriti -- Mother Divine; divine matter; Feet chakra; dense physical) As mentioned in earlier posts, from their footprints we can trace the gradual descent of Purusha (Pu.) and ascent of Prakriti (Pr.) through these various dimensions -- brow (Pu.) base (Pr.) in C.C., throat (Pu.) sex (Pr.) in G.C., heart (Pu.) navel (Pr.) in U.C., whereupon they meet at the Ahamkara. Continuing on, they overlap, rendering the Ahamkara obsolete in B.C. as Prakriti rises into the heart and Purusha descends into the navel. K.C. arises as Pr. ascends into throat and Pu. descends into sex. S.C. follows when Pr. ascends to the brow and Pu. descends into base. There is a bit of synchronicity here: the three extra sheaths I placed in parentheses -- Purusha, Ahamkara, and Prakriti -- are not precisely sheaths; they partake of an essentially divine nature. (While the other 6 pair off to form the 12 -- adityas, disciples, zodiac signs, etc., these three remain single.) We can see Purusha, Prakriti and Ahamkara as a Trinity -- traditionally, Purusha as Father, Prakriti as Mother, and Ahamkara as Christ, the child- mediator or divine human between Father-Heaven (Purusha; absolute) and Mother- Earth (Prakriti; relative). As MMY seems to have hinted in his latest poster, these may appear as three suns -- one at the crown, one at the feet, and one at the bottom of the heart, or solar plexus. It can be interesting to visualize these three suns and then to gradually see them merge at one's center, the ahamkara, whereupon they flood the universe with light. LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Saturday - Pay Attention
Title: DailyPage_10 March 26, 2005 - Pay Attention In the cultivation of the mind, our emphasis should be not on concentration, but on attention. Concentration is a process of forcing the mind to narrow down to a point, whereas attention is without frontiers. J. Krishnamurti Faced with the choice of giving your attention to The Infinite or placing your focus on the finite, choose The Infinite and all else will be accomplished. Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Dear Bert and Christina, Thank you for the beautiful quote on life reflecting life. To hear his words is like being given a sample swatch of the fine fabric of life. When one examines it closely, you marvel at the many tiny threads that are woven together, in and about each other so that when you see it from a perspective that allows observance of the whole . . . the awesome tapestry is indescribable! And each thread is unaware of how well they compliment each other, define each other, or that the beauty in the detail is due to contrasts in color, and texture all impeccably chosen by the master weaver. With kindest regards, Katherine White Tyler, Texas, United States Fairfield Friends, we welcome your comments. http://www.thedailyinspiration.com/ Bert and Christina CarsonFuturePoint Communication6868 Moores Mill RoadHuntsville, Alabama 35811 -Phone 256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List click here "Of what can I speak save of that which is even now moving within your souls.fromThe Prophetby Kahlil Gibran To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/05 11:56 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until you know that: Maharishi slept on the floor at the foot of Guru Dev's bed; people do not follow rigorous diets, but in fact choose what they want to eat; development of consciousness does not require any devotion to a guru; the reporters at the White House stand up when the President enters the room; Maharishi does not attempt to direct every aspect of a person's life (but instead says do as you feel to do); advised only a few people like Larry Domash not to get married (because he would be able to devote more time and energy to the TM movement, a reasonable suggestion for a key employee); Ayurveda does not make extreme suggestions for improving health. The guru-disciple relationship is much more close than what anybody has with MMY. If you read about MMY's relationship with Guru Dev, then you understand what it truly implies: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#dev No one can be a personal guru to the masses, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think he had a very close guru/diciple relationship with the inner circle. Bevan, Neil, Nand Kishore, Rindi, Tony Nader, and others. In fact, he said to a friend of mine, There comes a time when the guru decides to get personally involved in the life of the disciple. For a core group of people, that involvement has been going on for decades. *** Think that Bevan has ever slept at the foot of Maharishi's bed? I prefer to think that you are kidding yourself, homey. Except possibly for a handful of Brahmacharis like Nand Kishore, MMY simply does have the closeness that he had with Guru Dev, about which he says: And from there on for me the whole thing was very light and beautiful, no obstacles, clear, everything. Then I was living around him without even feeling that I was living. It's a very genuine feeling of complete oneness with Guru Dev, just like that. People who have seen me moving with Guru Dev know I was not as if in this isolated, single body or something. There was something of a universal value. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
