[FairfieldLife] A MARRIAGE OF THE FAITHS OF EAST WEST
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/urinetantrasalvation/ From: geneticrejuvenation [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:31 am Subject: A MARRIAGE OF MANY RELIGIONS That which is called Tantra, in the East, or The Marriage Supper of the Lamb of God, in the West, is that previously unknown Creed, which unites the major religions. In our several messages, entitled RASA TANTRA, we have provided the scriptural quotes from: Taoism, Hinduism, Mahayana, Judaism, Greek Mythology, Egyptian Hieroglyphs, Christianity, and the Gospels of Thomas and of Philip. These quotes all corroborate this Wedding Feast concept, whereby two sexes are joined into one Androgynous DNA Genetic Code. I regret the distasteful nature of this practice. It is never my intention to shock you or to turn your philosophical understanding upside down. Those of you who found this information to be an unpleasant surprise must simply get over it and get on with it. If there is a scandal in religion, it is the erroneous theological concepts which precede the advent of the Gnosis of the True Revealed Marriage Supper of the Lamb of God. I regret to say that these erroneous concepts include overzealousness in the worship of many gods, saints, saviors and masters and the imposition of unproved theological theories, as if they were fact. Jesus well understood the concept of blood sacrifice of a scapegoat, which would somehow atone for the sins of the one who murdered it. Transferral of Guilt onto the one who made you feel the guilt, is perhaps the single-most often seen phenomenon in the annals of Psychoanalysis. The trouble is it doesn't work and stacks up countless innocent victims. Jesus saw this jealous reaction, as did Dr. Wilhelm Reich, in his book, The Murder of Christ, this book being a psychoanalysis of the jealousy which goes into the denegration of superior beings. In short, the murder of Jesus will not expiate your sins. The Blood At-One-Ment is exactly that forgiveness of sins, but not from shed blood but from the Sexual Union of man and wife - from their co-mixed blood or bioplasma, genetically being Born Again of Water and Spirit. You have been walking for centuries through the tall grass of false theology, which does not save anyone from anything. The snake in the grass is that these false theologies have no scientific proof for their many claims, thus rendering faith a possible swindle. If, after much excellent Experimental Research, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb of God is shown to be just as devoid of success in alleviating human suffering as is this cartel of useless religions, then I would abandon its practice also. ALL RELIGIONS MUST UNDERGO THE SAME NECESSITY TO PROVE THEIR CLAIMS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. Otherwise, you are in danger of being defrauded. This Theological Proveing Ground includes the new religion, which is a composite of the religions which preceded it, but unlike them, introduces Scientific Method and the Theoretical Hypothesis that it is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb of God which saves one from the 8- Fold Suffering, which is: Hunger, Disease, Senescence, Death, Mental Low Intelligence, Emotional Depression, Spiritual Entrapment of Cosciousness in the Physical Dimension, and the Impermanence of the Endless Round (Samsara) of Incarnations. It is with deepest respect for the followers of all religions that I humbly submit this request for Honorable and Righteous Theological Integrity. In the Holy Name of Jesus and for the good of the people, I beseech thee. Amen. Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/urinetantrasalvation/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/05 8:24 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COMMENT Right from the beginning days of the movement, it was fascinating to watch how some (not by any means ALL of them) of the governors in charge of running centres seemed to have no ability or confidence in making decisions of their own. Every minute decision had to be verified with Maharishi. This constant running to the Master must surely have convinced Maharishi that we truly are a very weak minded bunch. Maharishi required this in most cases. For example, one time in Arosa, Switzerland Maharishi had assigned me the project of correlating the constitutions of the world's nations with the scientific research on TM. He had also said my mother could come to Switzerland. So the day my mother's plane was to arrive, I planned to go early and visit the Zurich library to photocopy the constitutions. The finance lady wouldn't give me money for the photocopying unless Maharishi approved it and my trip. So I asked him and he did. Anyway, that's the level of detail he was always involved in. Actually, Rick, this anecdote of yours proves exactly what the anonymous poster was saying. Can you imagine an executive of a business wanting some idiot running to him for approval of petty stuff like photocopying fees? The TMO has always attracted a lot of people who are not self-sufficient, commune bait, who do everything possible to gum up the works -- who doesn't have a horror story about dealing with the zombies at the Capital?. It's only a very tiny brain like yours that imagines that this is what MMY wants, much as you imagine all of MMY's social escapades... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Wednesday - There is Only One
Title: Template May 25, 2005 - There is Only One The little space within the heart is as great as the vast universe. The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun and the moon and the stars. Fire and lightning and winds are there, and all that now is and all that is not. The Upanishads All of God is in the smallest, most minute aspect of life. All of the smallest, most minute aspects of life are in God. One is All there is, ever has been, ever will be. Carson's Commentary The Doorway A workshop experience of life without fear. Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Dear Bert and Christina, Your loving dedication, which comes as a result of pure servitude, is food to the Soul of the Heart. Thank you for your humble giving of that which is the very essence of whom we all are. We live in a beautiful world -heaven-, and the consciousness you share reminds us all of this great miracle we are experiencing together: LIFE, with every manifestation within it! In love and light, Jaime Triana Pinercrest, Florida, United States Please feel free to forward The Daily Inspiration to a friend - and... don't forget to check out our new web site http://www.your-inner-peace.com Bert Christina Carson FuturePoint Communication 6868 Moores Mill Road Huntsville, Alabama 35811 USA 1-256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List - click here To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . so, he was able to maintain an active sex life AND work 18 hours days? why not...it only takes 5 minutes a day, LOL! -- But he's not british... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus and Mary Magdalene- and jealous desciples
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing new under the sun. [...] yathaa puurvam akalpayat. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus and Mary Magdalene- and jealous desciples
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There's nothing new under the sun.
[...] yathaa puurvam akalpayat.
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[FairfieldLife] Vasistha: They who...treat such holy men disrespectfully, surely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many saints treat their most vociferous critics at par with their most devoted followers. The devotees serve and worship the Mahatmas but share with them their hoard of spiritual powers, but the critics take nothing for themselves, they just wash away their sins. We should indeed be very grateful for the beneficial service that they render and should in no case try to stifle their criticism.--quote supposed to be by Maharishi approx 1967 or 1968 This is actually a quote from Guru Dev himself - contained in the 1965 Hindi biography of Gurudev by Rameshwar Tiwari, later 'transcreated' into English by Prem C. Pasricha onto pages 46/47 and still available at 21st Century:- http://www.21stbooks.com/page/21stbooks/prod/eo0002 also they have a new book on Gurudev:- http://www.21stbooks.com/page/21stbooks/prod/tm0014 ** I'm not sure if it's clear to readers what it means to say that critics of mahatmas wash away their sins: it means that people who insult mahatmas take away the past sinful karma of the mahatmas and place the burden on themselves because of their sinful and stupid attacks on the mahatmas (and Maharishis are Mahatmas): Vasistha: They who...treat such holy men disrespectfully, surely invite great suffering. p. 34, http://tinyurl.com/6xndt Paul Mason and Rick Archer and other fools think they are doing the right thing by insulting Maharishi, but they'll find out different later, probably in another lifetime when it's too late to do anything about it. There are very good reasons why criticizing holy men in power, would have invited great suffering in the past. You would have most probably lost your life because of that. But we live different times now, at least in the western world. Why are you afraid of starting critically assessing your guru? Are you absolutely sure the statement you quoted is true in all circumstances? What would you feel if it were not true? Why would criticizing a guru, even your own guru be a bad thing? If the guru is firmly established in Self , he can tolerate and receive criticism. His self-esteem isn't threatened by it. When the guru is responding to the criticism, the student gets clarifications to his doubts and new insights. If the guru is not totally established in Self, his self-esteem is dependent of the adulation and adoration he receives. He is very much afraid of his weaknesses being seen. All perceptive criticism is a serious threat to him and to his loyal followers as well. The guru represents for them a idealized dream of themselves. And they cannot allow this dream to collapse. For this kind of guru-disciple relationship to persist, the guru has to be distant. In a close daily contact the idealization would collapse rather fast. There are ideologies, institutions and aspirations that sincerely see themselves as well-meaning and righteous, even though they might accompany serious injustice, distorted use of power and violation of human dignity. No single institution that identifies itself with the good is free of this risk. The cleaner and the holier the facade is, the stronger the opposite tends also to be realized. This happens, because the shadow is not recognized or acknowledged, and it can grow in secret like cancer. The danger of the system is in its blindness to its weaknesses. The kind of structure does not naturally accompany any mechanism that it could use to gain critical information about itself and its possible problems, which it could use to assess and amend itself. The notion of infallibility and being perfect prevents the emergence of such structures. Systems with such notions easily start to exploit others. The most systematic evil and the evil that has raged the most excessively in this world has almost without exception been connected to persons who have been raised to the status of a god or a saint or seen as otherwise superior beings, whose understanding surpasses our own. Therefore every guru and mahatma, if he is really interested in the welfare of humanity more than he is afraid of losing his face, or even his earthly position and power, would welcome critical questioning. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
I think Rick is right about this. MMY was very specific and detailed in small matters. We used to call him when we had week-end-courses, to tell about the course. It seems that MMY wanted to have a grip of everything in the countries administration of the centres and the lives of the Governors. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/05 8:24 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COMMENT Right from the beginning days of the movement, it was fascinating to watch how some (not by any means ALL of them) of the governors in charge of running centres seemed to have no ability or confidence in making decisions of their own. Every minute decision had to be verified with Maharishi. This constant running to the Master must surely have convinced Maharishi that we truly are a very weak minded bunch. Maharishi required this in most cases. For example, one time in Arosa, Switzerland Maharishi had assigned me the project of correlating the constitutions of the world's nations with the scientific research on TM. He had also said my mother could come to Switzerland. So the day my mother's plane was to arrive, I planned to go early and visit the Zurich library to photocopy the constitutions. The finance lady wouldn't give me money for the photocopying unless Maharishi approved it and my trip. So I asked him and he did. Anyway, that's the level of detail he was always involved in. Actually, Rick, this anecdote of yours proves exactly what the anonymous poster was saying. Can you imagine an executive of a business wanting some idiot running to him for approval of petty stuff like photocopying fees? The TMO has always attracted a lot of people who are not self-sufficient, commune bait, who do everything possible to gum up the works -- who doesn't have a horror story about dealing with the zombies at the Capital?. It's only a very tiny brain like yours that imagines that this is what MMY wants, much as you imagine all of MMY's social escapades... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
On May 25, 2005, at 12:49 AM, off_world_beings wrote: I have heard of this gaurdian of the palmleaves, but I never knew he had travelled outside India. This is a very interesting statement since he would have no reason to say this in such a strong way. It would be interesting to have your friend Rick (if you are reading this) who is travelling around India to go there and ask him and try to verify this. There are numerous families of both Bhrigu samhita and the Surya samhita, which both have nadi leaves. There are different forms of nadi--some do the reading with a fingerprint, some might measure your shadow, some based on details of your current incarnation, etc. I can give the address and phone number of a reputable one in Delhi. As I previously mentioned when we discussed this topic, these style of readings are good at the past, but less so for the future esp. for people on a path. One women I knew went there as a sannyasi and presented with her Sanskrit name. The text had her name in English, i.e. her pre-ordained name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] next Governor Recertification Course
Next Recertification Course in June Announcement For All Governors of the Age of Enlightenment The Starting Date for the Next Governor Recertification Course Has Been Rescheduled to June 22 to Allow More People to Attend You can apply for the course at this website: https://vedicamerica.securesites.com/application/index.html The starting date for the next Governor Recertification Course has been changed to the full moon of June -- Wednesday, June 22, 2005. Maharishi would again like to give his full attention to the course, and it is being rescheduled so that the maximum number of participants will be able to attend and enjoy this precious opportunity to gain the latest knowledge and interact with Maharishi via live videoconference. As all the Governors who attended the last course will confirm, this is an incredible opportunity. To attend the next course it will be necessary to apply before June 7th. Maharishi would like to know how many will be attending 15 days before the course begins. There have been questions regarding the Governor Recertification Course and the activities of the newly recertified Governors. The information below is provided to answer those questions. What are the requirements for attending the next Governor Recertification course? This course is for Governors who will take responsibility for the Movement's activities in a particular city. This means establishing a Maharishi Peace Palace or Maharishi Enlightenment Center and organizing to offer a full ranges of programs and services including education, health, global reconstruction, Vedic agriculture, and Vedic administration. The course is available to those who will be full-time in this important activity. Each applicant for the course must specify the city they will be taking. The course is no longer available to those who plan to return to positions with other Movement organizations including our universities and schools. What cities are available? To attend the course, you should select five Peace Palace city preferences from the list of cities shown on the application page for the domain of Vedic America. If all of those five locations are already taken we will contact you for other alternatives. If you will be going to another Raja's domain, you may select that domain from the pull-down menu at the top of the Vedic America application page. Do I need special skills in advertising, finance, construction, and other fields to be the Director for a City? No special skills are needed. What you do need is the knowledge you will gain on the Governor Recertification Course. And you need to be committed to a city and to carry out the activities there. Everything for the Maharishi Enlightenment Centers and Peace Palaces is being organized centrally -- all the advertising, exhibitions, materials, financing, policies, etc. Even all the accounting is being done at a national level. What are the activities of the Director? The first is to do a long program and you will gain that instruction on the course. That is the basis for everything else you will be doing. The other activities are to lease space where programs and services will be offered, make arrangements with a secretarial service to answer the telephone, enter into an agreement with a major newspaper to carry advertisements twice a week, and to hire assistants to help you in each of the 5 program areas and licensed massage therapists to deliver the day spa programs. Then you will oversee these activities and provide the instruction in the Transcendental Meditation® program. What type of space will I rent and who will pay for the space? You will rent space where programs can be delivered immediately -- a Maharishi Enlightenment Center -- before the Peace Palace is built. This space may be in a mall, shopping center, office building, or hotel. It will include 10-12 rooms and be about 3,000 square feet. The costs of the secretarial service, leased space, and advertisements are paid for by the Global Country of World Peace. What responsibilities will I have for building the Peace Palace? The first thing is to find the land and get that approved. The land will be owned by Global Country of World Peace. Advertising will be prepared nationally for fundraising. You need to place the ads in the same way you place advertising for your programs. You may be asked to meet with a local bank about financing. Your Raja will give you information you need to do this. In the future, memberships, loans, or bonds may be offered. All the planning, materials, and legalities of this will be worked out at a national level. On the construction issue, all the Peace Palaces are standard designs and components will be ordered centrally and shipped to each Peace Palace location. You may be asked to submit the plans to the local government agency that issues building permits or to do other activities. But you will not be responsible for designing the Peace Palace or planning the construction.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zen is not Zen
On May 25, 2005, at 12:32 AM, sparaig wrote: Actually, I heard that zen came from zhan came from dhyan by way of the dhyan Buddhists. How about Bodhidharma... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
This would seem to indicate, if I am getting Shukra correctly, that M. is NOT a Maharishi, i.e. a seer of the Veda. There has been talk that he cognized an uncreated comment on Rig Veda,but who has seen it? The comment (i.e. AGNI ILE, etc.) is identical to existing comments with scientific musings thrown in. It's certainly interesting, but hardly original. On May 25, 2005, at 12:34 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: what is a partial Avatar? something like 14 carat vs 24 carat gold? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...
That's definitely incorrect. Until he became president, W had barely been out of Texas. A few trips to Mexico, and that was it. Sal On May 24, 2005, at 9:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W also traveled a lot with his father when he was president
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
... with scientific musings thrown in. It's certainly interesting, but hardly original. Asked to explain the board game Risk being played by his two ill fated sidekicks Jerry Seinfeld replies: ItÕs a game of world domination played by two people who can barely run their own lives. Mr. Vaj, your perplexing insights lead me to ask - what is it you actually do? - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
on 5/24/05 11:49 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting to have your friend Rick (if you are reading this) who is travelling around India to go there and ask him and try to verify this. If someone can tell me how to find this guy my friend (Dana Sawyer) might like to check him out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits and Fairfield
on 5/25/05 12:48 AM, George DeForest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm... how is it Bob Wynn's job to *deliver* pandits?? He used to be an obstetrician before he became a raja. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 12:10 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, he was able to maintain an active sex life AND work 18 hours days? Apparently so. Did you ever hang around him? Extraordinary energy and creativity. Fulfilled most of the claims of the introductory lecture. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 1:19 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Rick, this anecdote of yours proves exactly what the anonymous poster was saying. Can you imagine an executive of a business wanting some idiot running to him for approval of petty stuff like photocopying fees? The TMO has always attracted a lot of people who are not self-sufficient, commune bait, who do everything possible to gum up the works -- who doesn't have a horror story about dealing with the zombies at the Capital?. It's only a very tiny brain like yours that imagines that this is what MMY wants, much as you imagine all of MMY's social escapades... But the point is, I had no choice. If I wanted the money, I had to get Maharishi's approval. As did most other people for most other things. I would have preferred to just be given the money and get on with my trip, but the finance lady had her instructions from Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vasishtha: They who...treat such holy men disrespectfully, surely
on 5/25/05 3:51 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For this kind of guru-disciple relationship to persist, the guru has to be distant. In a close daily contact the idealization would collapse rather fast. Which is why there was such a high attrition rate among M's personal secretaries. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
A Group can't sanely expand where every decision has to be run by # 1. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 1:19 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Rick, this anecdote of yours proves exactly what the anonymous poster was saying. Can you imagine an executive of a business wanting some idiot running to him for approval of petty stuff like photocopying fees? The TMO has always attracted a lot of people who are not self-sufficient, commune bait, who do everything possible to gum up the works -- who doesn't have a horror story about dealing with the zombies at the Capital?. It's only a very tiny brain like yours that imagines that this is what MMY wants, much as you imagine all of MMY's social escapades... But the point is, I had no choice. If I wanted the money, I had to get Maharishi's approval. As did most other people for most other things. I would have preferred to just be given the money and get on with my trip, but the finance lady had her instructions from Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Austin Peace Palace Office
Austin Peace Palace Announcements Maharishi's Weekly press conferences can now be seen live via streaming video at www.globalcountry.org http://www.globalcountry.org/ . Press conferences is held every Wednesday at 10:00 am. There will not be group meditations at the Peace Palace office at 2404 Rio Grande during the Memorial Weekend but will resume on Tuesday afternoon. The Spa is now open for Men's treatments (and Lady's Spa treatments will soon be available as well). Please see below for the services and prices. Maharishi Vedic Health Spa at the Austin Peace Palace Office Call 512 472-9595 for appointments Offering Deep Physical Relaxation, Rejuvenation, and Inner Serenity Vedic Rejuvenation Massage (Abhyanga) 60 minutes Our signature massage; Performed by two therapists, this luxurious herbal oil massage melts away tension and offers a unique experience of balance, deep relaxation and rejuvenation. Fee: $170. Royal Vedic Rejuvenation Massage (Abhyanga) 90 minutes As above, but given for an hour and a half for the ultimate relaxation experience. Fee: $250. Rejuvenation Massage (Abhyanga) 60 minutes An integrating herbal massage that soothes tension and muscle fatigue, and leaves the body relaxed and renewed. Fee: One-therapist massage, $115. Inner Serenity Treatment (Shirodhara) 60 minutes A profoundly relaxing therapy in which a continuous flow of warm herb-infused oil is gently poured across the forehead, producing blissful tranquility and balance in both mind and body. Fee: $135. Stimulating Friction Massage (Garshan) 60 minutes This stimulating massage utilizes special raw silk gloves to promote weight-loss, improve circulation, and to help eliminate cellulite while softening, smoothing and enlivening the skin, restoring a natural, healthy glow. Fee: one-therapist massage, $115. Fee: two-therapist, synchronized massage, $170. Herbal Balancing Massage (Vishesh) 60 minutes With the use of more pressure, this herbal oil massage purifies and detoxifies the body, relieving muscle tightness, improving flexibility and restoring energy. Fee: One-therapist massage, $115. Fee: Two-therapist, synchronized massage, $170. Combination Vedic Rejuvenation and Inner Serenity Treatment (Abhyanga/Shirodhara) This treatment combines the benefits of our revitalizing herbalized oil massage with the deep relaxation of our Inner Serenity therapy. In this combination treatment, the Vedic Rejuvenation Treatment may be substituted with our Stimulating Friction Massage or with our Herbal Balancing Massage Fee: One-therapist massage, $185. Fee: Two-therapist, synchronized massage, $240. Combination Vedic Rejuvenation Massage and Herbal Steam Bath (Abhyanga and Swedena) Relax and purify as your body is immersed in a warm, herbalized steam bath. This treatment opens the channels of the body and allows the impurities that have been loosened by our Vedic Rejuvenation Massage, to be naturally eliminated. In this combination treatment, the Vedic Rejuvenation Massage may be substituted with our Stimulating Friction Massage or with our Herbal Balancing Massage Fee: One-therapist massage, $170. Fee: Two-therapist, synchronized massage, $225. 2404 Rio Grande St., Austin, TX 78705 Phone: 512 472-9595 http://www.austinpeacepalace.org/ www.austinpeacepalace.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GEORGE GALLOWAY ROCKS ! ! !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/ Click on the 'Latest News and Video and Audio' Watch the longer version of his rail against the Senate. Watch this man in the future ! It was a thing of beauty! You'll change your mind when you see the famous I salute your courage speech delivered to Saddam in person in Bhagdad. I cannot begin to think of any slimier, devious toe rag in all of British history. You can have him for just one of your American dollars. We'll hear more of him, I'm sure; whether he ends up in one or your jails or one of ours is the main debate. Ah, but he was talking about your as in you Iraqis. ...Not in my view, anyway. He was talking to Saddam about Saddam. It is important to remember that Galloway is a constituency MP. He has about 55,000 people in his care, and his duty is to help them with abusive local officials, government problems, late night party noise and so on. His is more than a full time job with no foreign component whatsoever. Any charity work is a spare time occupation. In the house of Commons, members are never referred to by name; only by constituency. He behaviour earned him the nickname of the member for Bhagdad Central. U. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Austin Peace Palace Office
WOW! I didn't even know this existed. It's like 3 blocks from where I live near the University of Texas campus. I'll have to check it out. Jeff F. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Austin Peace Palace Announcements Maharishi's Weekly press conferences can now be seen live via streaming video at www.globalcountry.org http://www.globalcountry.org/ . Press conferences is held every Wednesday at 10:00 am. There will not be group meditations at the Peace Palace office at 2404 Rio Grande during the Memorial Weekend but will resume on Tuesday afternoon. The Spa is now open for Men's treatments (and Lady's Spa treatments will soon be available as well). Please see below for the services and prices. Maharishi Vedic Health Spa at the Austin Peace Palace Office Call 512 472-9595 for appointments Offering Deep Physical Relaxation, Rejuvenation, and Inner Serenity Vedic Rejuvenation Massage (Abhyanga) 60 minutes Our signature massage; Performed by two therapists, this luxurious herbal oil massage melts away tension and offers a unique experience of balance, deep relaxation and rejuvenation. Fee: $170. Royal Vedic Rejuvenation Massage (Abhyanga) 90 minutes As above, but given for an hour and a half for the ultimate relaxation experience. Fee: $250. Rejuvenation Massage (Abhyanga) 60 minutes An integrating herbal massage that soothes tension and muscle fatigue, and leaves the body relaxed and renewed. Fee: One-therapist massage, $115. Inner Serenity Treatment (Shirodhara) 60 minutes A profoundly relaxing therapy in which a continuous flow of warm herb-infused oil is gently poured across the forehead, producing blissful tranquility and balance in both mind and body. Fee: $135. Stimulating Friction Massage (Garshan) 60 minutes This stimulating massage utilizes special raw silk gloves to promote weight-loss, improve circulation, and to help eliminate cellulite while softening, smoothing and enlivening the skin, restoring a natural, healthy glow. Fee: one-therapist massage, $115. Fee: two-therapist, synchronized massage, $170. Herbal Balancing Massage (Vishesh) 60 minutes With the use of more pressure, this herbal oil massage purifies and detoxifies the body, relieving muscle tightness, improving flexibility and restoring energy. Fee: One-therapist massage, $115. Fee: Two-therapist, synchronized massage, $170. Combination Vedic Rejuvenation and Inner Serenity Treatment (Abhyanga/Shirodhara) This treatment combines the benefits of our revitalizing herbalized oil massage with the deep relaxation of our Inner Serenity therapy. In this combination treatment, the Vedic Rejuvenation Treatment may be substituted with our Stimulating Friction Massage or with our Herbal Balancing Massage Fee: One-therapist massage, $185. Fee: Two-therapist, synchronized massage, $240. Combination Vedic Rejuvenation Massage and Herbal Steam Bath (Abhyanga and Swedena) Relax and purify as your body is immersed in a warm, herbalized steam bath. This treatment opens the channels of the body and allows the impurities that have been loosened by our Vedic Rejuvenation Massage, to be naturally eliminated. In this combination treatment, the Vedic Rejuvenation Massage may be substituted with our Stimulating Friction Massage or with our Herbal Balancing Massage Fee: One-therapist massage, $170. Fee: Two-therapist, synchronized massage, $225. 2404 Rio Grande St., Austin, TX 78705 Phone: 512 472-9595 http://www.austinpeacepalace.org/ www.austinpeacepalace.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mail2Web
Title: Mail2Web Back in the day, most people only had one e-mail account. Today, you could have many e-mail addresses. You might have one for work, one with your ISP, a Yahoo or Hotmail account and one dummy e-mail address you use for signing up for giveaways and contests. Mail2Web allows you to check all e-mail accounts without having to surf to different pages. Just enter your e-mail address and password. You can pick up your mail from any Internet connection--desktop, laptop, PDA or cell phone. Oh, and it's free, too! TO VISIT THIS SITE, GO HERE: www.mail2web.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/05 8:24 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COMMENT Right from the beginning days of the movement, it was fascinating to watch how some (not by any means ALL of them) of the governors in charge of running centres seemed to have no ability or confidence in making decisions of their own. Every minute decision had to be verified with Maharishi. This constant running to the Master must surely have convinced Maharishi that we truly are a very weak minded bunch. Maharishi required this in most cases. For example, one time in Arosa, Switzerland Maharishi had assigned me the project of correlating the constitutions of the world's nations with the scientific research on TM. He had also said my mother could come to Switzerland. So the day my mother's plane was to arrive, I planned to go early and visit the Zurich library to photocopy the constitutions. The finance lady wouldn't give me money for the photocopying unless Maharishi approved it and my trip. So I asked him and he did. Anyway, that's the level of detail he was always involved in. Actually, Rick, this anecdote of yours proves exactly what the anonymous poster was saying. Can you imagine an executive of a business wanting some idiot running to him for approval of petty stuff like photocopying fees? The TMO has always attracted a lot of people who are not self-sufficient, commune bait, who do everything possible to gum up the works -- who doesn't have a horror story about dealing with the zombies at the Capital.. Delegation, and having the confidence in one's immediate staff is not only important but essential. Does MMY delegate? Can he delegate? U. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] How to improve medical science
Title: How to improve medical science Q U O T E D We could really speed up the whole process of drug improvement if we did not have all the rules on human experimentation. If companies were allowed to use clinical trials in Third World countries, paying a lot of poor people to take risks that you wouldn't take in a developed country, we could speed up technology quickly. But because of the Holocaust ... -- -- Francis Fukuyama http://esp.realcities.com/a/hBCiijwAPnpi4APtV1IAIkkLN.APnpdQV-/gmsv545 , a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and director of the Human Biotechnology Governance Project (normally we would add a snarky comment here, but our mouths are still agape). Good Morning Silicon Valley is written and edited with the able assistance of John Murrell. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
Vajra coherence lord. On May 25, 2005, at 9:55 AM, mrfishey2001 wrote: ... with scientific musings thrown in. It's certainly interesting, but hardly original. Asked to explain the board game Risk being played by his two ill fated sidekicks Jerry Seinfeld replies: ItÕs a game of world domination played by two people who can barely run their own lives. Mr. Vaj, your perplexing insights lead me to ask - what is it you actually do? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 9:40 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Delegation, and having the confidence in one's immediate staff is not only important but essential. Does MMY delegate? Can he delegate? He delegates to a chosen few, and they to a chosen few, etc. But every little thing is checked up the line. When Robert and Mary Swanson (or was it Doug and Linda Birx?) were working in the couples' facility in DC, they checked every little thing with Maharishi. He was so pleased with this that he made them TM-Sidhi administrators, and told them that that was why he had done so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Crusades?
Soldiers in Iraq are now giving biblical names to their tanks. What's amazing is that the DoD approved an online photo of a tank with the name New Testament painted on the barrel of its gun. The photo can be found on the marines webpage below (assuming it's not taken off yet): http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/77e72f035f54cf1185257005003fe147 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Crusades?
reminds me of that expression, 'we have met the enemy and he is us' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soldiers in Iraq are now giving biblical names to their tanks. What's amazing is that the DoD approved an online photo of a tank with the name New Testament painted on the barrel of its gun. The photo can be found on the marines webpage below (assuming it's not taken off yet): http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7 e5e/77e72f035f54cf1185257005003fe147 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Crusades?
on 5/25/05 10:58 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reminds me of that expression, 'we have met the enemy and he is us' http://www.igopogo.com/we_have_met.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/05 8:24 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COMMENT Right from the beginning days of the movement, it was fascinating to watch how some (not by any means ALL of them) of the governors in charge of running centres seemed to have no ability or confidence in making decisions of their own. Every minute decision had to be verified with Maharishi. This constant running to the Master must surely have convinced Maharishi that we truly are a very weak minded bunch. Maharishi required this in most cases. For example, one time in Arosa, Switzerland Maharishi had assigned me the project of correlating the constitutions of the world's nations with the scientific research on TM. He had also said my mother could come to Switzerland. So the day my mother's plane was to arrive, I planned to go early and visit the Zurich library to photocopy the constitutions. The finance lady wouldn't give me money for the photocopying unless Maharishi approved it and my trip. So I asked him and he did. Anyway, that's the level of detail he was always involved in. On my 6-month course in '77 in St. Moritz, we took the usual course photo which as a matter of course was sent on to International. One of the course participants was one Michael Yankaus. I am not sure whether he did this for a living or if it was a hobby but Michael was a calligrapher as well as an artistic designer of sorts (there may be an actual professional name for what he does but I don't know what it's called). Anyway what Michael did with the group photo was quite amazing: he traced all the figures of the photo, numbered them and did a legend in which he put the names and countries of each person beside their respective numbers. And all of this was put in a neat frame along with the photo which was sent to International. It really was quite beautiful and impressive. Well, once MMY saw it he thought it was the most amazing thing in the world...this was all related back to us by I believe Bevan who was our course co-ordinator (and, I should note, Bevan was a good- looking svelt 145 lbs. at this time)...Anyway, the upshot was that MMY spent, literally, hours designing both a broshure and a protocol for how all courses should take group photos AND to do it in the way that Yankaus had done. We were told that it would be official Movement policy. Of course, like a teenager who gets his fist electric guitar with all the knobs and buttons on it and plays with it for the first three days and then never goes back to it ever again, we never heard more about group photos and the new protocol ever again. What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ideas for independent teachers
I've been reading posts forwarded to me from members of FFL for a few months and decided to join. The subject of independent teaching of TM is of interest to me and I have given it considerable thought. I've taught TM for years and can't imagine denying this practice to someone who can't afford the high fees. I consider TM to be of great value and I agree with the majority of posts about the new and uncomfortable direction the TMO is taking. I think this 'hostile take-over' and recertification puts all the good work of the past 40+ years at risk of being lost and discredited. In the future I'd like to introduce a few ideas that might challenge the TMO both legally and for independents everywhere. If the majority of teachers were to take steps now we might be able to keep the teaching alive. On a positive note I think we have a very strong case for independents who want to teach. I'm not a lawyer but have been in consultation with a few. Logan Parker __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Rick Archer wrote: on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. Jezus. give the guy a break. He sleeps maybe a few hours a night, has worked tirelessly for over 50 years, has created a world wide movement with (at this point in time) unknown but huge impact on the world (and I suppose, most every person on this list) he doesn't go to movies, watch TV so he amuses himself with stuff like this once in a while or every day. Wow I guess he's really a loser, isn't he? Lately this list seems more obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on the otherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. Jezus. give the guy a break. He sleeps maybe a few hours a night, has worked tirelessly for over 50 years, has created a world wide movement with (at this point in time) unknown but huge impact on the world (and I suppose, most every person on this list) he doesn't go to movies, watch TV so he amuses himself with stuff like this once in a while or every day. Wow I guess he's really a loser, isn't he? Lately this list seems more obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on the otherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing. Don slow down. You hear this sort of stuff as criticism. It's not, for the most part. We are trying to understand and amazing phenomena called MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
-I think Maharishi just has the heart of a child; which like someone said, is required to, enter the kingdom of heaven -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ideas for independent teachers
Excellent Logan. Maharishi is like the TM mantra which having gone to finer and finer levels, of an admixture of the discursive and purely cognitive minds must now himself be transcended. I would guess that thelast shed skin of the snake will be the most colorful one. And it is good thinking of yours to wish to keep the snake itself alive, rather than get stuck worshipping some skin. - Original Message - From: mike scozzari To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ideas for independent teachers I've been reading posts forwarded to me from membersof FFL for a few months and decided to join. Thesubject of independent teaching of TM is of interestto me and I have given it considerable thought. I'vetaught TM for years and can't imagine denying thispractice to someone who can't afford the high fees.I consider TM to be of great value and I agree withthe majority of posts about the new and uncomfortabledirection the TMO is taking. I think this 'hostiletake-over' and recertification puts all the good workof the past 40+ years at risk of being lost anddiscredited. In the future I'd like to introduce a few ideas thatmight challenge the TMO both legally and forindependents everywhere. If the majority of teacherswere to take steps now we might be able to keep theteaching alive. On a positive note I think we have avery strong case for independents who want to teach.I'm not a lawyer but have been in consultation with afew.Logan Parker__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
I have had some private posts from TM-Teachers who teach outside the TMO and also a lot of questions from TM-Teachers that want to teach, but have some fear - if it is wrong or not. Will the students have good experiences if I teach outside the TMO What about the Puja - can I use the picture of Guru Dev. Guilt about the money and all sorts of things. I try to support the best I can. It seems that a network of Independent TM-Teachers is growing in Europe - not fast - but steady. I really hope that more and more TM- Teachers will free themselves from the stressfull situation caused by the TMO - and do what they most of all want - to initiate. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mike scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading posts forwarded to me from members of FFL for a few months and decided to join. The subject of independent teaching of TM is of interest to me and I have given it considerable thought. I've taught TM for years and can't imagine denying this practice to someone who can't afford the high fees. I consider TM to be of great value and I agree with the majority of posts about the new and uncomfortable direction the TMO is taking. I think this 'hostile take-over' and recertification puts all the good work of the past 40+ years at risk of being lost and discredited. In the future I'd like to introduce a few ideas that might challenge the TMO both legally and for independents everywhere. If the majority of teachers were to take steps now we might be able to keep the teaching alive. On a positive note I think we have a very strong case for independents who want to teach. I'm not a lawyer but have been in consultation with a few. Logan Parker __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Lately this list seemsmore obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on theotherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing.-I find it more to be like tracing ones finger in water, looking for anything at all that might remain. Water before, water after. But let me ask,what finger is doing the tracing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On my 6-month course in '77 in St. Moritz, we took the usual course photo which as a matter of course was sent on to International. One of the course participants was one Michael Yankaus. I am not sure whether he did this for a living or if it was a hobby but Michael was a calligrapher as well as an artistic designer of sorts (there may be an actual professional name for what he does but I don't know what it's called). Anyway what Michael did with the group photo was quite amazing: he traced all the figures of the photo, numbered them and did a legend in which he put the names and countries of each person beside their respective numbers. And all of this was put in a neat frame along with the photo which was sent to International. It really was quite beautiful and impressive. Well, once MMY saw it he thought it was the most amazing thing in the world...this was all related back to us by I believe Bevan who was our course co-ordinator (and, I should note, Bevan was a good- looking svelt 145 lbs. at this time)...Anyway, the upshot was that MMY spent, literally, hours designing both a brochure and a protocol for how all courses should take group photos AND to do it in the way that Yankaus had done. We were told that it would be official Movement policy. Of course, like a teenager who gets his fist electric guitar with all the knobs and buttons on it and plays with it for the first three days and then never goes back to it ever again, we never heard more about group photos and the new protocol ever again. On my Governor training in Interlaken '78 we took the group photo and then some of the group participants wanted to jazz it up. So the placed little brass pins in everybody's lapels in the photo (they looked like flowers) and wired up the photo to a list of names in the photo. They attached a wired pen to the frame so when you touched the lapel of someone in the photo a light would turn-on next to their name. When we presented the photo to MMY in Seelisberg at the end of the course, he thought it was pretty cool. snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Lately this list seems more obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on the otherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing. You are witnessing dharma in action. The TM Organization has from time to time instituted a 'rose colored glasses' approach to its activities, blind to any faults of its own, that others viewing through another lens may see. Sometimes the disconnect between what is professed by the Movement and by Maharishi and what others have seen is quite large. So many on this board now feel the need to question and challenge that disconnect. Maybe some of us then get caught up in being attached to being overly critical of the TM Organization and Maharishi. Others will then resist, and attempt to discredit this questioning and criticism of Maharishi and the Movement. So I agree it is amazing. If you watch over time, this board maintains a pretty even equilibrium between the 'bashers' and the 'gushers'. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jezus. give the guy a break. He sleeps maybe a few hours a night, has worked tirelessly for over 50 years, has created a world wide movement with (at this point in time) unknown but huge impact on the world (and I suppose, most every person on this list) he doesn't go to movies, watch TV so he amuses himself with stuff like this once in a while or every day. Wow I guess he's really a loser, isn't he? Lately this list seems more obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on the otherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] (Re: Was:Where are the British here at FFLife?) Now: Basher and Gushers
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lately this list seems more obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on the otherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing. You are witnessing dharma in action. The TM Organization has from time to time instituted a 'rose colored glasses' approach to its activities, blind to any faults of its own, that others viewing through another lens may see. Sometimes the disconnect between what is professed by the Movement and by Maharishi and what others have seen is quite large. So many on this board now feel the need to question and challenge that disconnect. Maybe some of us then get caught up in being attached to being overly critical of the TM Organization and Maharishi. Others will then resist, and attempt to discredit this questioning and criticism of Maharishi and the Movement. So I agree it is amazing. If you watch over time, this board maintains a pretty even equilibrium between the 'bashers' and the 'gushers'. And then there is the most difficult, but ultimately most rewarding path which is right down the middle. You acknowledge that the bashers have a point, over-stated and over-simplified at times, yet valid and authentic and you also recognize that the gushers have a point too, also over-stated and over simplified at times, but just as authentic. The two can not be conceptually integratedand therein lies the amazing dilemma. We can not really dismiss MMY. Way too many experiences with him and that Blazing Brahman. But we also can't turn a blind eye to the relative madness of his flaky, narcissistic, greedy, rude, unrealistic, behavior. Some resolve it by dismissing MMY as a fraud. Some find great fault in the people around him. Others resolve it by denial of an aspect of their own experience. No approach of denial or projection really resolves anything at all, it just delays it. End of transmission. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. *** I've heard (or read, actually) of other saints who would get immersed in the trivial with as much focus, energy, and enthusiasm as the (apparently) more important issues of life. If, from the standpoint of Brahman, everything is as important as everything else (because all appearances only have value relative to other appearances and there is no independent substance or reality to any of them) and, if Maharishi is established in Brahman (which despite the many allegations of behavior that strikes me as puzzling or dissappointing on the level of the relative, is not in any way dispositive that he is not [established in Brahman]), then this type of focussed awareness on whatever is the subject at hand would seem to be a perfectly natural phenomenon. Awareness may stand alone but brought into contact with the relative it becomes attention. If one is living Brahman as one's Awareness then That is what is brought as Attention to the matter at hand, whatever that may be. For many of us who are very engaged in the world it seems that in Maharishi's management style there was never any real priority setting. Almost any project became the priority project for a time -- generally the time that Maharishi's attention was on it. As soon as he turned his attention elsewhere the former priority faded entirely. Most of us in the West seem very (or relatively) competent at juggling multiple tasks and assigning constantly shifting priorities with appropriate time allocations. Maharishi doesn't. But perhaps it's likely that he was able to accomplish what he has because when he did put his attention on the task at hand he brought Brahman to bear on it. Marek To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
I don't know why it indicates that. I have no evidence on that question one way or another. Vedavyasa himself is considered to be a partial avatar Vaishnavas use this to describe Shiva. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This would seem to indicate, if I am getting Shukra correctly, that M. is NOT a Maharishi, i.e. a seer of the Veda. There has been talk that he cognized an uncreated comment on Rig Veda,but who has seen it? The comment (i.e. AGNI ILE, etc.) is identical to existing comments with scientific musings thrown in. It's certainly interesting, but hardly original. On May 25, 2005, at 12:34 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: what is a partial Avatar? something like 14 carat vs 24 carat gold? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] (Re: Was:Where are the British here at FFLife?) Now: Basher and Gushers
Do whatever little thing you can do, to further propogate this knowledge. Any form which serves the purpose of spreading this knowledge. If we would stop for a moment, and imagine what it was like 50 years ago, to leave India, and start to teach, this thing, around the world; it was undertaken one step at a time. So, just take a small step, in the direction of spreading peace,and light, and this is doing Dharma... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lately this list seems more obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on the otherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing. You are witnessing dharma in action. The TM Organization has from time to time instituted a 'rose colored glasses' approach to its activities, blind to any faults of its own, that others viewing through another lens may see. Sometimes the disconnect between what is professed by the Movement and by Maharishi and what others have seen is quite large. So many on this board now feel the need to question and challenge that disconnect. Maybe some of us then get caught up in being attached to being overly critical of the TM Organization and Maharishi. Others will then resist, and attempt to discredit this questioning and criticism of Maharishi and the Movement. So I agree it is amazing. If you watch over time, this board maintains a pretty even equilibrium between the 'bashers' and the 'gushers'. And then there is the most difficult, but ultimately most rewarding path which is right down the middle. You acknowledge that the bashers have a point, over-stated and over-simplified at times, yet valid and authentic and you also recognize that the gushers have a point too, also over-stated and over simplified at times, but just as authentic. The two can not be conceptually integratedand therein lies the amazing dilemma. We can not really dismiss MMY. Way too many experiences with him and that Blazing Brahman. But we also can't turn a blind eye to the relative madness of his flaky, narcissistic, greedy, rude, unrealistic, behavior. Some resolve it by dismissing MMY as a fraud. Some find great fault in the people around him. Others resolve it by denial of an aspect of their own experience. No approach of denial or projection really resolves anything at all, it just delays it. End of transmission. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] (Re: Was:Where are the British here at FFLife?) Now: Basher and Gushers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do whatever little thing you can do, to further propogate this knowledge. Any form which serves the purpose of spreading this knowledge. If we would stop for a moment, and imagine what it was like 50 years ago, to leave India, and start to teach, this thing, around the world; it was undertaken one step at a time. So, just take a small step, in the direction of spreading peace,and light, and this is doing Dharma... Be your Self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
I remember hearing, probably in a dome meeting, that Maharishi once used a magnifying glass to closely examine every person in a group photo. The photo was from one of the big courses, like Utopia or Heaven on Earth. --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/05 8:24 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COMMENT Right from the beginning days of the movement, it was fascinating to watch how some (not by any means ALL of them) of the governors in charge of running centres seemed to have no ability or confidence in making decisions of their own. Every minute decision had to be verified with Maharishi. This constant running to the Master must surely have convinced Maharishi that we truly are a very weak minded bunch. Maharishi required this in most cases. For example, one time in Arosa, Switzerland Maharishi had assigned me the project of correlating the constitutions of the world's nations with the scientific research on TM. He had also said my mother could come to Switzerland. So the day my mother's plane was to arrive, I planned to go early and visit the Zurich library to photocopy the constitutions. The finance lady wouldn't give me money for the photocopying unless Maharishi approved it and my trip. So I asked him and he did. Anyway, that's the level of detail he was always involved in. On my 6-month course in '77 in St. Moritz, we took the usual course photo which as a matter of course was sent on to International. One of the course participants was one Michael Yankaus. I am not sure whether he did this for a living or if it was a hobby but Michael was a calligrapher as well as an artistic designer of sorts (there may be an actual professional name for what he does but I don't know what it's called). Anyway what Michael did with the group photo was quite amazing: he traced all the figures of the photo, numbered them and did a legend in which he put the names and countries of each person beside their respective numbers. And all of this was put in a neat frame along with the photo which was sent to International. It really was quite beautiful and impressive. Well, once MMY saw it he thought it was the most amazing thing in the world...this was all related back to us by I believe Bevan who was our course co-ordinator (and, I should note, Bevan was a good- looking svelt 145 lbs. at this time)...Anyway, the upshot was that MMY spent, literally, hours designing both a broshure and a protocol for how all courses should take group photos AND to do it in the way that Yankaus had done. We were told that it would be official Movement policy. Of course, like a teenager who gets his fist electric guitar with all the knobs and buttons on it and plays with it for the first three days and then never goes back to it ever again, we never heard more about group photos and the new protocol ever again. What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the fear is born of the mind. Let go and follow your heart. Of course you should use the picture of Guru Dev, who has given us this wisdom of the integration of life and is the source of this teaching. We never did a puja to MMY. He didn't want us to do a puja to him. The only person I've seen do a puja to MMY is SSRS. He had the big picture of Guru Dev and then a smaller picture of MMY's feet next to it on his puja table. Please be specific about how Guru Dev 'has given us this wisdom of the integration of life and is the source of this teaching'. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] next Governor Recertification Course
Maharishi would again like to give his full attention to the course, and it is being rescheduled so that the maximum number of participants will be able to attend and enjoy this precious opportunity to gain the latest knowledge and interact with Maharishi via live videoconference. Translation: Only one or two have applied. --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next Recertification Course in June Announcement For All Governors of the Age of Enlightenment The Starting Date for the Next Governor Recertification Course Has Been Rescheduled to June 22 to Allow More People to Attend You can apply for the course at this website: https://vedicamerica.securesites.com/application/index.html The starting date for the next Governor Recertification Course has been changed to the full moon of June -- Wednesday, June 22, 2005. Maharishi would again like to give his full attention to the course, and it is being rescheduled so that the maximum number of participants will be able to attend and enjoy this precious opportunity to gain the latest knowledge and interact with Maharishi via live videoconference. As all the Governors who attended the last course will confirm, this is an incredible opportunity. To attend the next course it will be necessary to apply before June 7th. Maharishi would like to know how many will be attending 15 days before the course begins. There have been questions regarding the Governor Recertification Course and the activities of the newly recertified Governors. The information below is provided to answer those questions. What are the requirements for attending the next Governor Recertification course? This course is for Governors who will take responsibility for the Movement's activities in a particular city. This means establishing a Maharishi Peace Palace or Maharishi Enlightenment Center and organizing to offer a full ranges of programs and services including education, health, global reconstruction, Vedic agriculture, and Vedic administration. The course is available to those who will be full-time in this important activity. Each applicant for the course must specify the city they will be taking. The course is no longer available to those who plan to return to positions with other Movement organizations including our universities and schools. What cities are available? To attend the course, you should select five Peace Palace city preferences from the list of cities shown on the application page for the domain of Vedic America. If all of those five locations are already taken we will contact you for other alternatives. If you will be going to another Raja's domain, you may select that domain from the pull-down menu at the top of the Vedic America application page. Do I need special skills in advertising, finance, construction, and other fields to be the Director for a City? No special skills are needed. What you do need is the knowledge you will gain on the Governor Recertification Course. And you need to be committed to a city and to carry out the activities there. Everything for the Maharishi Enlightenment Centers and Peace Palaces is being organized centrally -- all the advertising, exhibitions, materials, financing, policies, etc. Even all the accounting is being done at a national level. What are the activities of the Director? The first is to do a long program and you will gain that instruction on the course. That is the basis for everything else you will be doing. The other activities are to lease space where programs and services will be offered, make arrangements with a secretarial service to answer the telephone, enter into an agreement with a major newspaper to carry advertisements twice a week, and to hire assistants to help you in each of the 5 program areas and licensed massage therapists to deliver the day spa programs. Then you will oversee these activities and provide the instruction in the Transcendental Meditation® program. What type of space will I rent and who will pay for the space? You will rent space where programs can be delivered immediately -- a Maharishi Enlightenment Center -- before the Peace Palace is built. This space may be in a mall, shopping center, office building, or hotel. It will include 10-12 rooms and be about 3,000 square feet. The costs of the secretarial service, leased space, and advertisements are paid for by the Global Country of World Peace. What responsibilities will I have for building the Peace Palace? The first thing is to find the land and get that approved. The land will be owned by Global Country of World Peace. Advertising will be prepared nationally for fundraising. You need to place the ads in the same way you place advertising for your programs. You may be asked to meet with a local bank about financing. Your Raja will give you information you need to do this. In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 12:19 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don slow down. You hear this sort of stuff as criticism. It's not, for the most part. We are trying to understand and amazing phenomena called MMY. Agreed. It was not meant as criticism at all. Just another observation on one of most remarkable human beings I've ever met. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I agree it is amazing. If you watch over time, this board maintains a pretty even equilibrium between the 'bashers' and the 'gushers'. Jai Guru Dev The 'bashers' used to be 'gushers' who repressed their critical faculties. The TMO has needed criticism for a long time. Don't forget that the original World Plan envisioned local or reginal autonomy, even in creating teachers. I agree with you that despite the level of former co-dependent abuse, the balance here is good. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /TMO -- the Bright Side/tower-roth.pdf Uploaded by : rick_archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : World's First 'Vedic Green' office building to be constructed in Rockville, MD You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/TMO%20--%20the%20Bright%20Side/tower-roth.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, rick_archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
I know a few TM-teachers that uses the picture of The Holy Tradition instead of Guru Dev, because they find it easier to explain the picture for the students. It still works. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the fear is born of the mind. Let go and follow your heart. Of course you should use the picture of Guru Dev, who has given us this wisdom of the integration of life and is the source of this teaching. We never did a puja to MMY. He didn't want us to do a puja to him. The only person I've seen do a puja to MMY is SSRS. He had the big picture of Guru Dev and then a smaller picture of MMY's feet next to it on his puja table. Please be specific about how Guru Dev 'has given us this wisdom of the integration of life and is the source of this teaching'. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. Really? He actually acknowledged (not in the exact wording of a Peter Druker) his weakness for micro-managing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -I think Maharishi just has the heart of a child; which like someone said, is required to, enter the kingdom of heaven Unfortunately, TM is billed as having 200% of life: not only the Kingdom of Heaven but also the practicality of relative life. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
The 'bashers' used to be 'gushers' who repressed their criticalfaculties. The TMO has needed criticism for a long time. Don't forgetthat the original World Plan envisioned local or reginal autonomy,even in creating teachers. I agree with you that despite the level of former co-dependentabuse, the balance here is good. JohnYThat is an interesting idea, an independent council of TM Teacher trainers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 1:52 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. Really? He actually acknowledged (not in the exact wording of a Peter Druker) his weakness for micro-managing? Never heard him acknowledge the micro thing, but he admitted his need to always have some new project or plan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Rick Archer: Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. shempmcgurk: Really? He actually acknowledged (not in the exact wording of a Peter Druker) his weakness for micro-managing? Rick Archer: Never heard him acknowledge the micro thing, but he admitted his need to always have some new project or plan. The business world has long recognized that entrepreneurs are different from managers. It's not uncommon for an entrepreneur to run his business into the ground, or to run it in a way that's no longer appropriate for the organization as it has grown. Usually, the board of directors fires the founder. One example I read of just today was of the Saatchi brothers, England's advertising geniuses. They left Saatchi Saatchi and founded just plain Saatchi, I believe. Sometimes the founder comes back to save the organization, as Steve Jobs has done for Apple Computer. But more often than not, the entrepreneur is happier to invent a new company. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. *** I've heard (or read, actually) of other saints who would get immersed in the trivial with as much focus, energy, and enthusiasm as the (apparently) more important issues of life. If, from the standpoint of Brahman, everything is as important as everything else (because all appearances only have value relative to other appearances and there is no independent substance or reality to any of them) and, if Maharishi is established in Brahman (which despite the many allegations of behavior that strikes me as puzzling or dissappointing on the level of the relative, is not in any way dispositive that he is not [established in Brahman]), then this type of focussed awareness on whatever is the subject at hand would seem to be a perfectly natural phenomenon. Awareness may stand alone but brought into contact with the relative it becomes attention. If one is living Brahman as one's Awareness then That is what is brought as Attention to the matter at hand, whatever that may be. For many of us who are very engaged in the world it seems that in Maharishi's management style there was never any real priority setting. Almost any project became the priority project for a time -- generally the time that Maharishi's attention was on it. As soon as he turned his attention elsewhere the former priority faded entirely. Most of us in the West seem very (or relatively) competent at juggling multiple tasks and assigning constantly shifting priorities with appropriate time allocations. Maharishi doesn't. But perhaps it's likely that he was able to accomplish what he has because when he did put his attention on the task at hand he brought Brahman to bear on it. Marek Marek, That's all very nice as both an esoteric explanation and justification as to why MMY has done things. Regardless, I must observe and assess those things from my own, admittedly, limited western-based consciousness of values. And those values include science, rationality, and common sense. But guess what? I started TM -- and got involved in the TMO -- under the auspices of science, rationality, and common sense. There was NO PLACE for gurus, blind devotion, and cults in either TM or the TMO when I joined up. So I very well may be thinking and operating from an inferior and limited state of consciousness and values but that is the level at which TM was supposed to work...so that is the level at which I will assess MMY and his activities. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 2:27 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer: Never heard him acknowledge the micro thing, but he admitted his need to always have some new project or plan. Sometimes the founder comes back to save the organization, as Steve Jobs has done for Apple Computer. But more often than not, the entrepreneur is happier to invent a new company. Maharishi's love of starting new stuff and inability to follow through or maintain things has always been characteristic of the TMO. How many buildings have been bought and then allowed to rot? How many big projects started and then abandoned? Again, this is not a criticism. Just an observation. Jobs probably did well coming back to Apple because the computer world is so full of innovation. He gets to dream up new stuff all the time, as he does at Pixar also. Let's see him (or Maharishi) run a nuts and bolts brick and mortar business. He'd be bored in no time and probably ruin it with innovations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Peace group's land buy could cost taxpayers $53,603
http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/05/25/blackdir.htm May 25, 2005 Peace group's land buy could cost taxpayers $53,603    By John Sullivan    Times Herald-Record [EMAIL PROTECTED]       The purchase of 818 acres of Black Dirt farmland in Goshen by Global Country of World Peace will likely cost taxpayers about $54,000, with the largest impact on residents of the Goshen School District.    If the new owner were to pay the regular taxes on the land – without an agricultural exemption – that would come to about $91,000    However, since the land is eligible for agricultural tax exemptions, taxpayers will likely have to pick up $53,603 in taxes deferred for the nonprofit, the office said.    County Real Property Director John McCarey calculated the loss to the county, the Town of Goshen and Goshen schools at $7,014, $6,852 and $39,737, respectively. The total amount is the same as what an average farmer would pay (in property taxes), he said.    Orange County and Town of Goshen officials have vowed to fight the exemption.    According to the state Office of Real Property Services, 3.4 percent of property value in Orange County was lost to nonprofits in 2003, the most recent year on record. That amount is average compared to surrounding county figures, such as Ulster with 2.8 percent and Sullivan with 5 percent.    The figure for the state is 2.9 percent.    Orange County Legislator Tom Pahucki, D-Town of Goshen, said he welcomes the organic farming group, but they're going to have to bring their checkbooks along, just like everybody else. Town of Goshen Councilman Ken Newbold is talking with the town building inspector about ways to fight the deferral.    Representatives of Global Country, a global nonprofit organization founded by the spiritual leader, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, did not return calls yesterday. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is a partial Avatar? something like 14 carat vs 24 carat He said 1/16 Avatar which I take as in 15/16ths like ordinary man and 1/16th Divine like Vishnu. 1/16th of infinity is still pretty infinite. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Maharishi is a partial Avatar and so are certain others who are alive today to save humanity and create a spiritual age, even though they may not know it. He said the H.H. The Dalai Lama was identifiable in he texts as one of these leaders. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon man, spill, what else did they say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Beatles Rishikesh
This link has some nice photos of the beatles in rishikesh, plus a fairly neutral story about MMY and the cute nurse. http://members.fortunecity.com/whitesessions/rishikesh.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's definitely incorrect. Until he became president, W had barely been out of Texas. A few trips to Mexico, and that was it. Sal ** As a matter of fact, Dumbya went to China in the 70s to visit his pops when Bush Sr. was representing the U.S. there: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#pitch On May 24, 2005, at 9:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W also traveled a lot with his father when he was president To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/05 8:24 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COMMENT Right from the beginning days of the movement, it was fascinating to watch how some (not by any means ALL of them) of the governors in charge of running centres seemed to have no ability or confidence in making decisions of their own. Every minute decision had to be verified with Maharishi. This constant running to the Master must surely have convinced Maharishi that we truly are a very weak minded bunch. Maharishi required this in most cases. For example, one time in Arosa, Switzerland Maharishi had assigned me the project of correlating the constitutions of the world's nations with the scientific research on TM. He had also said my mother could come to Switzerland. So the day my mother's plane was to arrive, I planned to go early and visit the Zurich library to photocopy the constitutions. The finance lady wouldn't give me money for the photocopying unless Maharishi approved it and my trip. So I asked him and he did. Anyway, that's the level of detail he was always involved in. On my 6-month course in '77 in St. Moritz, we took the usual course photo which as a matter of course was sent on to International. One of the course participants was one Michael Yankaus. I am not sure whether he did this for a living or if it was a hobby but Michael was a calligrapher as well as an artistic designer of sorts (there may be an actual professional name for what he does but I don't know what it's called). Anyway what Michael did with the group photo was quite amazing: he traced all the figures of the photo, numbered them and did a legend in which he put the names and countries of each person beside their respective numbers. And all of this was put in a neat frame along with the photo which was sent to International. It really was quite beautiful and impressive. Well, once MMY saw it he thought it was the most amazing thing in the world...this was all related back to us by I believe Bevan who was our course co-ordinator (and, I should note, Bevan was a good- looking svelt 145 lbs. at this time)...Anyway, the upshot was that MMY spent, literally, hours designing both a broshure and a protocol for how all courses should take group photos AND to do it in the way that Yankaus had done. We were told that it would be official Movement policy. Of course, like a teenager who gets his fist electric guitar with all the knobs and buttons on it and plays with it for the first three days and then never goes back to it ever again, we never heard more about group photos and the new protocol ever again. What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? Children need praise, and if they don't get enough of it, they'll leave the movement, like Chopra did. MMY has always recognized the need to lavish praise and attention on the industrial-age brats in the West who have gravitated to the TMO, and especially after Chopra left (despite MMY's calling him, among other things, the Lord of Immortality), MMY will express an interest in even the most trivial accomplishments of his staff. The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
on 5/25/05 4:18 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time... Meanwhile, India is being westernized at a blistering pace, and nothing seems likely to reverse that trend. What is your prediction, Bob, regarding the apparently conflicting forces of westernization and Vedafication? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace group's land buy could cost taxpayers $53,603
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/05/25/blackdir.htm May 25, 2005 Peace group's land buy could cost taxpayers $53,603    By John Sullivan    Times Herald-Record [EMAIL PROTECTED]       The purchase of 818 acres of Black Dirt farmland in Goshen by Global Country of World Peace will likely cost taxpayers about $54,000, with the largest impact on residents of the Goshen School District.    If the new owner were to pay the regular taxes on the land – without an agricultural exemption – that would come to about $91,000    However, since the land is eligible for agricultural tax exemptions, taxpayers will likely have to pick up $53,603 in taxes deferred for the nonprofit, the office said.    County Real Property Director John McCarey calculated the loss to the county, the Town of Goshen and Goshen schools at $7,014, $6,852 and $39,737, respectively. The total amount is the same as what an average farmer would pay (in property taxes), he said.    Orange County and Town of Goshen officials have vowed to fight the exemption.    According to the state Office of Real Property Services, 3.4 percent of property value in Orange County was lost to nonprofits in 2003, the most recent year on record. That amount is average compared to surrounding county figures, such as Ulster with 2.8 percent and Sullivan with 5 percent.    The figure for the state is 2.9 percent.    Orange County Legislator Tom Pahucki, D-Town of Goshen, said he welcomes the organic farming group, but they're going to have to bring their checkbooks along, just like everybody else. Town of Goshen Councilman Ken Newbold is talking with the town building inspector about ways to fight the deferral.    Representatives of Global Country, a global nonprofit organization founded by the spiritual leader, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, did not return calls yesterday. * This seems to be a rather unreasonable objection. Other farmers in the area are getting an agricultural exemption from part of their taxes, so why would the TMO getting this partial exemption for their farm be a problem? It would seem to be reasonable to complain only if the TMO were getting a total exemption from any property taxes based on being a non-profit organization, which is not the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
Much of the impetus behind independent TM teaching comes from making the knowledge available at more affordable prices. But I'm curious how people who've been following the discussions here would handle other aspects of the teaching that might be a bit more problematic. For example, we typically say the mantra is a meaningless sound. Would you all stick with that description? Or would some of you disclose the provenance of mantras? Another issue: We say on the third night of checking that cosmic consciousness is a state in which one's every act is spontaneously life- supporting. But a popular topic among us has been the questioning of that dogma. What would you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching? And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are we teaching TM, or something inspired by it? The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost? - Patrick Gillam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had some private posts from TM-Teachers who teach outside the TMO and also a lot of questions from TM-Teachers that want to teach, but have some fear - if it is wrong or not. Will the students have good experiences if I teach outside the TMO What about the Puja - can I use the picture of Guru Dev. Guilt about the money and all sorts of things. I try to support the best I can. It seems that a network of Independent TM-Teachers is growing in Europe - not fast - but steady. I really hope that more and more TM- Teachers will free themselves from the stressfull situation caused by the TMO - and do what they most of all want - to initiate. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mike scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading posts forwarded to me from members of FFL for a few months and decided to join. The subject of independent teaching of TM is of interest to me and I have given it considerable thought. I've taught TM for years and can't imagine denying this practice to someone who can't afford the high fees. I consider TM to be of great value and I agree with the majority of posts about the new and uncomfortable direction the TMO is taking. I think this 'hostile take-over' and recertification puts all the good work of the past 40+ years at risk of being lost and discredited. In the future I'd like to introduce a few ideas that might challenge the TMO both legally and for independents everywhere. If the majority of teachers were to take steps now we might be able to keep the teaching alive. On a positive note I think we have a very strong case for independents who want to teach. I'm not a lawyer but have been in consultation with a few. Logan Parker To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 4:18 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time... Meanwhile, India is being westernized at a blistering pace, and nothing seems likely to reverse that trend. What is your prediction, Bob, regarding the apparently conflicting forces of westernization and Vedafication? The people of India have always responded to authentic revivals of Vedic wisdom. Guru Dev was very well received and so was MMY until he left to light a few candles in the West http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 . India's current determination to be a technological and military power (India will carry American science experiments to the moon in 2007, among other accomplishments) also contains the spirit of national pride which will support the revival of Vedic culture among the country's 820 million Hindus. How long will it take? MMY has said it may take hundreds of centuries to restore Vedic India, but hey, that's life in the Kaliyuga... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
on 5/25/05 4:30 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the impetus behind independent TM teaching comes from making the knowledge available at more affordable prices. But I'm curious how people who've been following the discussions here would handle other aspects of the teaching that might be a bit more problematic. For example, we typically say the mantra is a meaningless sound. Would you all stick with that description? Or would some of you disclose the provenance of mantras? Another issue: We say on the third night of checking that cosmic consciousness is a state in which one's every act is spontaneously life- supporting. But a popular topic among us has been the questioning of that dogma. What would you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching? And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are we teaching TM, or something inspired by it? The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost? Very interesting questions. I've been thinking about this lately. If I were to teach independently I would want to re-examine everything I said in intro and advanced lectures and only teach what I knew to be true. But this would be a challenge, as all the scientific research would have to be scrutinized - perhaps one could refer only to studies published in peer-reviewed journals - and I would no longer feel comfortable making claims about benefits and higher states of consciousness I or trusted friends had not personally experienced. So what would be left to say? I could tell the story of my own life, how TM had turned it around, but to be honest I would have to related stories of many fruitless years serving an increasingly kooky organization. And such information might not pertain to my students' lives. Something to think about, and kind of a moot point, as I'm not about to run out and teach. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liverpool win Champions League. (Was Where are the British here at FFLife?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the calamity, if you want to call it that, is that you will continue as you are now... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question - interesting to hear more about it. I've already say here. So far I can report no mass panic in the UK as a whole. In fact no mention in the press about MMY's punishment for being destroyers of the world.. in fact life here goes on.. Not sure about British meditators, although few of them had much to do with the Movement anyway.. There are many types of UK meditator. One wonders if MMY is suffering from some type of fever and will emerge in a couple of weeks. Another does the programme and couldn't care less about the rest of the movement. Another would give two pints of blood per day to Maharishi until they died, if he asked for it. Many of these live in Skem, and there is now much suffering amongst those who least deserve it. They are totally and utterly committed to him and his work, and would cut off their right hands if they were told by him that this was needed. His treatment of these folks is beyond belief. U. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why do they still take the apparent abuse? ...because they are told by the movement and its appointees that this is the correct thing to do. But our first month in the Wilderness has featured a triumph. Nature appears to have blessed the goalkeeper with superhuman qualities: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/default.stm U. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Children need praise, and if they don't get enough of it, they'll leave the movement, like Chopra did. MMY has always recognized the need to lavish praise and attention on the industrial-age brats in the West who have gravitated to the TMO, and especially after Chopra left (despite MMY's calling him, among other things, the "Lord of Immortality"), MMY will express an interest in even the most trivial "accomplishments" of his staff. --The West needs material evaluation of spiritual things in order to feel it. So Maharishi has evaluated his programs at a superlative rate to empower Westerners withan ultimate sense of value. The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time...--At times I might interview at a job which I don't want. I will ask for a great wage thinking how a job I don't really want at a small wage I also don't want at a high wage, but which I might consider at that high wage. Moreover if they aren't hiring me at a low wage then they won't hire me at a high wage. Either way there's only the possibility of winning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
A former colleague once pointed out that from his perspective; proclaiming the value of meditation is like suggesting a lake where one might fish - the suggestion has been planted that it will be worthwhile - from then on anyone might sit hopeful. So I don't eat fish therefore I don't go fishing, but I have a hunch that the reasoning is spot on. [Talking of lakes: I remember MMY aide Vincent Snell once proclaiming that '-ness' always means - 'a state of'. Someone brightly asked 'What about Loch Ness?' Readilly he quiped 'It would be in a state without Nessie!'] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 4:30 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the impetus behind independent TM teaching comes from making the knowledge available at more affordable prices. But I'm curious how people who've been following the discussions here would handle other aspects of the teaching that might be a bit more problematic. For example, we typically say the mantra is a meaningless sound. Would you all stick with that description? Or would some of you disclose the provenance of mantras? Another issue: We say on the third night of checking that cosmic consciousness is a state in which one's every act is spontaneously life- supporting. But a popular topic among us has been the questioning of that dogma. What would you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching? And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are we teaching TM, or something inspired by it? The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost? Very interesting questions. I've been thinking about this lately. If I were to teach independently I would want to re-examine everything I said in intro and advanced lectures and only teach what I knew to be true. But this would be a challenge, as all the scientific research would have to be scrutinized - perhaps one could refer only to studies published in peer-reviewed journals - and I would no longer feel comfortable making claims about benefits and higher states of consciousness I or trusted friends had not personally experienced. So what would be left to say? I could tell the story of my own life, how TM had turned it around, but to be honest I would have to related stories of many fruitless years serving an increasingly kooky organization. And such information might not pertain to my students' lives. Something to think about, and kind of a moot point, as I'm not about to run out and teach. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Comment below: *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** I've heard (or read, actually) of other saints who would get immersed in the trivial with as much focus, energy, and enthusiasm as the (apparently) more important issues of life. If, from the standpoint of Brahman, everything is as important as everything else (because all appearances only have value relative to other appearances and there is no independent substance or reality to any of them) and, if Maharishi is established in Brahman (which despite the many allegations of behavior that strikes me as puzzling or dissappointing on the level of the relative, is not in any way dispositive that he is not [established in Brahman]), then this type of focussed awareness on whatever is the subject at hand would seem to be a perfectly natural phenomenon. Awareness may stand alone but brought into contact with the relative it becomes attention. If one is living Brahman as one's Awareness then That is what is brought as Attention to the matter at hand, whatever that may be. For many of us who are very engaged in the world it seems that in Maharishi's management style there was never any real priority setting. Almost any project became the priority project for a time -- generally the time that Maharishi's attention was on it. As soon as he turned his attention elsewhere the former priority faded entirely. Most of us in the West seem very (or relatively) competent at juggling multiple tasks and assigning constantly shifting priorities with appropriate time allocations. Maharishi doesn't. But perhaps it's likely that he was able to accomplish what he has because when he did put his attention on the task at hand he brought Brahman to bear on it. Marek Marek, That's all very nice as both an esoteric explanation and justification as to why MMY has done things. Regardless, I must observe and assess those things from my own, admittedly, limited western-based consciousness of values. And those values include science, rationality, and common sense. But guess what? I started TM -- and got involved in the TMO -- under the auspices of science, rationality, and common sense. There was NO PLACE for gurus, blind devotion, and cults in either TM or the TMO when I joined up. So I very well may be thinking and operating from an inferior and limited state of consciousness and values but that is the level at which TM was supposed to work...so that is the level at which I will assess MMY and his activities. **SNIP TO END** I can't (and don't) disagree with you, but if we refuse to evaluate the merits of meditation on any other metric than the western-based consciousness of values it's obvious that we're going to be disappointed with the ultimate results. We're all very much aware by this point that Maharishi was selling TM to the West based on the benefits of meditation he perceived westerners would value and were more or less likely to be enjoyed by most people who meditated correctly. But, in my experience at least, it didn't take much more than an advanced lecture or two to realize that TM, in spite of the initial sales pitch, was part of an esoteric Indian tradition and it was that underlying philosophical structure that provided the real framework in which the significant growth or progress of the meditator could be evaluated. Also, once you saw Maharishi and spent any time with him (or spoke with anyone who had spent time with him) it was clear that what Maharishi was actually promising was a level of happiness and life satisfaction that was far beyond getting better grades, or a more restful night's sleep, or less stress, etc. It was Bliss that he was promising and furthermore, his person radiated that message with tremendous wattage. That fundamental message or offer is the same that all the saints have always proclaimed. For some reason, though, Maharishi just always emphasized the relative values over the absolute even though he always talked about the absolute. It's like he never trusted that people would be drawn to the deeper spiritual values over the relative ones. 200% of life, All Glories Worldly and Divine -- it sounds fine and all -- it sounds great when all you want is more money, more power, more sex, etc., but if you get 100% of the Divine Glory (or even some real taste of it ) then the other 100% just doesn't even exist, much less matter. At some point, based on your own experience, you've got to come to the realization that there's nothing -- no thing -- that's ever going to satisfy. Ever. And yet acquiring and amassing things is core to the current cultural paradigm, maybe has always been core and probably is just the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 2:27 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer: Never heard him acknowledge the micro thing, but he admitted his need to always have some new project or plan. Sometimes the founder comes back to save the organization, as Steve Jobs has done for Apple Computer. But more often than not, the entrepreneur is happier to invent a new company. Maharishi's love of starting new stuff and inability to follow through or maintain things has always been characteristic of the TMO. How many buildings have been bought and then allowed to rot? How many big projects started and then abandoned? Again, this is not a criticism. Just an observation. Jobs probably did well coming back to Apple because the computer world is so full of innovation. He gets to dream up new stuff all the time, as he does at Pixar also. Let's see him (or Maharishi) run a nuts and bolts brick and mortar business. He'd be bored in no time and probably ruin it with innovations. Steve Jobs is an interesting person to bring up within the context of discussing MMY and the TMO. Why? Because Jobs has proven NOT to be a one trick pony. His first innovation was the Apple II, not the first PC but the first to prove very popular and user friendly. That made him a multi- millionaire...and that would have been enough to put him in the history books. But then in the mid-'80s he came out with MacIntosh, another incredible innovation with its window-type applications...although he didn't invent the windows type stuff (Xerox did) he did make it popular. But Jobs ALSO did the Pixar stuff and that clear-looking PC (the name escapes me)...the ipod, too?...so to come up with so many ground-breaking innovations is quite remarkable. MMY had one great innovation: TM. And, yes, I would put the flying technique up there (almost!) with it. But there have been SO many missteps and rediculous ones at that. And unlike Jobs, MMY didn't have to do anything other than introduce and then promote TM. TM is so great and so important for the planet that that wall ALL he really had to do. Indeed, so much that he's done since has watered-down the important TM message. For example, I got the Total Health Catalog in the mail today. MMY has put his name and image on, amongst other things, honey, herbs, tea, oils, shampoo, beverages, butter, candy bars, nut butters, soaps, etc. I weep. This is the message he has for the world? This is what he felt the need to put his attention on? I have an MIU degree. My resume stops at high school because I am ashamed to put down anything to do with TM and would rather people think my education stopped at high school than to put the words Maharishi or TM down...and I still do my program regularly as I have for 32 years! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] susan segal
one thing that is often forgotten is that susan segal had a brain tumor. brain tumors often give a person fantastic experiences that may be construed as enlightenment (remember the John Travolta movie?). I am not really sure that her experiences as related in her book can be considered reliable expositions of enlightenment given the fact that she had a brain tumor. just something to think about... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, she was a TM Governor, but at the time of her awakening, was no longer meditating. -Original Message- From: peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:55:14 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife I read the first page or so, she says she meditated on her own name. Maybe having a Guru to watch over one is the trick. Interesting Karma, I wonder what actions created that for herself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/2/05 8:14 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip He's luck those phrases were fresh in his memory. Suzanne Segal (Collision With the Infinite: A Life Beyond the Personal Self - http://tinyurl.com/726yv) endured a decade of fear before Jean Klein set her straight. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 12:10 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, he was able to maintain an active sex life AND work 18 hours days? Apparently so. Did you ever hang around him? Extraordinary energy and creativity. Fulfilled most of the claims of the introductory lecture. I just heard from one of MMY's secretaries that he needed sleep like normal people. Sometimes he did function on very little sleep which in itself is not magical. Once he was so sleep-deprived that he asked for help in being propped up in such a way in public, with dark glasses, that he could doze. Maybe he had a wacky sleep-schedule, but from what I've just heard, it was not in a way that set him above other people with wacky sleep-schedules. I spent decades thinking M only needed 2 hrs of sleep every night. He may have gotten by on that little sometimes, but apparently needed more. Vashti To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Thanks for this Vashti--this is an important criteria to know. If I dare say, it appears he may just be a bit of a workaholic--and of course with one of the most interesting jobs imaginable, you probably wouldn't want to sleep! On May 25, 2005, at 7:14 PM, vashtirama wrote: I just heard from one of MMY's secretaries that he needed sleep like normal people. Sometimes he did function on very little sleep which in itself is not magical. Once he was so sleep-deprived that he asked for help in being propped up in such a way in public, with dark glasses, that he could doze. Maybe he had a wacky sleep-schedule, but from what I've just heard, it was not in a way that set him above other people with wacky sleep-schedules. I spent decades thinking M only needed 2 hrs of sleep every night. He may have gotten by on that little sometimes, but apparently needed more. Vashti To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh
This fairly neutral story, I believe, was written by Cynthia Lennon, who has first hand knowledge, as she was there. This can be read in her autobiography... In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This link has some nice photos of the beatles in rishikesh, plus a fairly neutral story about MMY and the cute nurse. http://members.fortunecity.com/whitesessions/rishikesh.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: on 5/25/05 11:34 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What struck me was how MMY got caught up in something so insignificant and mundane as a group photo and the way it was supposed to be framed and the hours spent on it. I just couldn't understand it. If, as the Movement and MMY professed, that we were out to bring this important technology of TM to the world, how could the leader and head of such an organisation find the time to put his attention on such minutae? There are hundreds of stories like this. It happened every day with something or other. I found it fascinating to watch him do this, but it used to puzzle me that he could invest the time in this sort of thing with the movement as large and busy as it was. But it was charming. As you say, like a kid playing with a new toy. Or not charming, like Nero fiddling as Rome burned. Maharishi himself would say that he always needed a new toy to play with. Jezus. give the guy a break. He sleeps maybe a few hours a night, has worked tirelessly for over 50 years, has created a world wide movement with (at this point in time) unknown but huge impact on the world (and I suppose, most every person on this list) he doesn't go to movies, watch TV so he amuses himself with stuff like this once in a while or every day. Wow I guess he's really a loser, isn't he? Lately this list seems more obsessed than ever at finding that tiny little speck of dust on the otherwise perfectly white silk cloth and making it into Mt. Everest. Amazing. It didn't really sound like a criticism to me, more of an interesting enigma. Sincerely yours, Slartbardfast To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -I think Maharishi just has the heart of a child; which like someone said, is required to, enter the kingdom of heaven Maybe. But the question is, can such a one, once there entered into - pure in heart, as unto little children - be the Master, to bring it back to this plane, and establish it thereupon? Sincerely yours, Slartbardfast To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh
It's amazing to think that several of those guys in those photos are still meditating regularly, or came back to it. Paul McCartney said in an interview recently that he is meditating (TM) again regularly, and believe it or not, even Ringo is back to it regularly. I think Ringo loved George very much and must have expanded a lot since George died (who of course was still meditating long up to his death.) Whats her name still does I think? and I think Donovan still does? I'm not sure Maharishi still meditates :-) Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This link has some nice photos of the beatles in rishikesh, plus a fairly neutral story about MMY and the cute nurse. http://members.fortunecity.com/whitesessions/rishikesh.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi who he claims to be?
I don't get it. It seems one is either all or nothing with regard to divine incarnation. Can anyone explain this to me? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He said 1/16 Avatar which I take as in 15/16ths like ordinary man and 1/16th Divine like Vishnu. 1/16th of infinity is still pretty infinite. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's definitely incorrect. Until he became president, W had barely been out of Texas. A few trips to Mexico, and that was it. Sal ** As a matter of fact, Dumbya went to China in the 70s to visit his pops when Bush Sr. was representing the U.S. there: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#pitch Please provide a rational explanation for the claims in this article. I know that Margaret Thatcher learned TM (and it is common knowledge that she was big into Ayurved ). Her protege, who became the Tory party (Conservative Party) leader, for a term or so (forget his name, nice guy, known for being good with his constituents...lost general election), was known from the getgo as a TM'r, (famous headline said: From TM to PM?, when he first became Tory party leader). Thatcher had a strong friendship with Reagan, (and Gorbachev). Bush senoir was Reagan's right hand man. Prince Charles and the Queen are said to have learned TM (and Prince Phillip, Queens husband). The Prince Charles story is the most certain. If he learned, it is highly likely the Phillip and the Queen did. Thatcher and the Queen got on well. Who else is linked to Reagan, and possibly Bush senior as TM meditators? I don't get the thing about Mike Love and the Bush link on this website? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
Margaret Thatcehr was known to sleep no more that 5 hours every night. It is not such a stretch to think that Maharishi could sleep less than Thatcher. A couple of hours less per night would put him at 3 hours a night. The dark glasses thing seems far-fetched. Anyone ever see Maharishi in shades? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for this Vashti--this is an important criteria to know. If I dare say, it appears he may just be a bit of a workaholic--and of course with one of the most interesting jobs imaginable, you probably wouldn't want to sleep! On May 25, 2005, at 7:14 PM, vashtirama wrote: I just heard from one of MMY's secretaries that he needed sleep like normal people. Sometimes he did function on very little sleep which in itself is not magical. Once he was so sleep-deprived that he asked for help in being propped up in such a way in public, with dark glasses, that he could doze. Maybe he had a wacky sleep-schedule, but from what I've just heard, it was not in a way that set him above other people with wacky sleep-schedules. I spent decades thinking M only needed 2 hrs of sleep every night. He may have gotten by on that little sometimes, but apparently needed more. Vashti To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Children need praise, and if they don't get enough of it, they'll leave the movement, like Chopra did. MMY has always recognized the need to lavish praise and attention on the industrial-age brats in the West who have gravitated to the TMO, and especially after Chopra left (despite MMY's calling him, among other things, the Lord of Immortality), MMY will express an interest in even the most trivial accomplishments of his staff. The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time... I asked Chopra about why he left the TMO after a lecture at the Himilayan Institute where he was speaking. I asked away from the group , not quite private but close... and he said that the movement didn't support him when he was slap suited for $20,000,000 after the JAMA article. I don't remember all the details, but it was clear to me that the movement abandoned him when he was representing it. Made him pay the legal bills - I wish I could remember the details, but it was a long time ago JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** I've heard (or read, actually) of other saints who would get immersed in the trivial with as much focus, energy, and enthusiasm as the (apparently) more important issues of life. If, from the standpoint of Brahman, everything is as important as everything else (because all appearances only have value relative to other appearances and there is no independent substance or reality to any of them) and, if Maharishi is established in Brahman (which despite the many allegations of behavior that strikes me as puzzling or dissappointing on the level of the relative, is not in any way dispositive that he is not [established in Brahman]), then this type of focussed awareness on whatever is the subject at hand would seem to be a perfectly natural phenomenon. Awareness may stand alone but brought into contact with the relative it becomes attention. If one is living Brahman as one's Awareness then That is what is brought as Attention to the matter at hand, whatever that may be. For many of us who are very engaged in the world it seems that in Maharishi's management style there was never any real priority setting. Almost any project became the priority project for a time -- generally the time that Maharishi's attention was on it. As soon as he turned his attention elsewhere the former priority faded entirely. Most of us in the West seem very (or relatively) competent at juggling multiple tasks and assigning constantly shifting priorities with appropriate time allocations. Maharishi doesn't. But perhaps it's likely that he was able to accomplish what he has because when he did put his attention on the task at hand he brought Brahman to bear on it. Marek Marek, That's all very nice as both an esoteric explanation and justification as to why MMY has done things. Regardless, I must observe and assess those things from my own, admittedly, limited western-based consciousness of values. And those values include science, rationality, and common sense. But guess what? I started TM -- and got involved in the TMO -- under the auspices of science, rationality, and common sense. There was NO PLACE for gurus, blind devotion, and cults in either TM or the TMO when I joined up. So I very well may be thinking and operating from an inferior and limited state of consciousness and values but that is the level at which TM was supposed to work...so that is the level at which I will assess MMY and his activities. **SNIP TO END** I can't (and don't) disagree with you, but if we refuse to evaluate the merits of meditation on any other metric than the western- based consciousness of values it's obvious that we're going to be disappointed with the ultimate results. We're all very much aware by this point that Maharishi was selling TM to the West based on the benefits of meditation he perceived westerners would value and were more or less likely to be enjoyed by most people who meditated correctly. But, in my experience at least, it didn't take much more than an advanced lecture or two to realize that TM, in spite of the initial sales pitch, was part of an esoteric Indian tradition and it was that underlying philosophical structure that provided the real framework in which the significant growth or progress of the meditator could be evaluated. Also, once you saw Maharishi and spent any time with him (or spoke with anyone who had spent time with him) it was clear that what Maharishi was actually promising was a level of happiness and life satisfaction that was far beyond getting better grades, or a more restful night's sleep, or less stress, etc. It was Bliss that he was promising and furthermore, his person radiated that message with tremendous wattage. That fundamental message or offer is the same that all the saints have always proclaimed. For some reason, though, Maharishi just always emphasized the relative values over the absolute even though he always talked about the absolute. It's like he never trusted that people would be drawn to the deeper spiritual values over the relative ones. 200% of life, All Glories Worldly and Divine -- it sounds fine and all -- it sounds great when all you want is more money, more power, more sex, etc., but if you get 100% of the Divine Glory (or even some real taste of it ) then the other 100% just doesn't even exist, much less matter. At some point, based on your own experience, you've got to come to the realization
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing to think that several of those guys in those photos are still meditating regularly, or came back to it. Paul McCartney said in an interview recently that he is meditating (TM) again regularly, and believe it or not, even Ringo is back to it regularly. I think Ringo loved George very much and must have expanded a lot since George died (who of course was still meditating long up to his death.) Whats her name still does I think? If by what's her name you mean Mia Farrow I think she said on Howard STern's show a few years ago that she still meditates at least once a day... and I think Donovan still does? I'm not sure Maharishi still meditates :-) Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This link has some nice photos of the beatles in rishikesh, plus a fairly neutral story about MMY and the cute nurse. http://members.fortunecity.com/whitesessions/rishikesh.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Thatcehr was known to sleep no more that 5 hours every night. It is not such a stretch to think that Maharishi could sleep less than Thatcher. So what are you saying? That Maharishi slept with Margaret Thatcher? A couple of hours less per night would put him at 3 hours a night. The dark glasses thing seems far-fetched. Anyone ever see Maharishi in shades? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for this Vashti--this is an important criteria to know. If I dare say, it appears he may just be a bit of a workaholic--and of course with one of the most interesting jobs imaginable, you probably wouldn't want to sleep! On May 25, 2005, at 7:14 PM, vashtirama wrote: I just heard from one of MMY's secretaries that he needed sleep like normal people. Sometimes he did function on very little sleep which in itself is not magical. Once he was so sleep-deprived that he asked for help in being propped up in such a way in public, with dark glasses, that he could doze. Maybe he had a wacky sleep-schedule, but from what I've just heard, it was not in a way that set him above other people with wacky sleep-schedules. I spent decades thinking M only needed 2 hrs of sleep every night. He may have gotten by on that little sometimes, but apparently needed more. Vashti To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing to think that several of those guys in those photos are still meditating regularly, or came back to it. Paul McCartney said in an interview recently that he is meditating (TM) again regularly, and believe it or not, even Ringo is back to it regularly. I think Ringo loved George very much and must have expanded a lot since George died (who of course was still meditating long up to his death.) Whats her name still does I think? If by what's her name you mean Mia Farrow I think she said on Howard STern's show a few years ago that she still meditates at least once a day... So does Howard Stern ! The plot thickens. Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast. and I think Donovan still does? I'm not sure Maharishi still meditates :-) Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This link has some nice photos of the beatles in rishikesh, plus a fairly neutral story about MMY and the cute nurse. http://members.fortunecity.com/whitesessions/rishikesh.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Children need praise, and if they don't get enough of it, they'll leave the movement, like Chopra did. MMY has always recognized the need to lavish praise and attention on the industrial-age brats in the West who have gravitated to the TMO, and especially after Chopra left (despite MMY's calling him, among other things, the Lord of Immortality), MMY will express an interest in even the most trivial accomplishments of his staff. The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time... I asked Chopra about why he left the TMO after a lecture at the Himilayan Institute where he was speaking. I asked away from the group , not quite private but close... and he said that the movement didn't support him when he was slap suited for $20,000,000 after the JAMA article. What article and what suit? What was the outcome? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's definitely incorrect. Until he became president, W had barely been out of Texas. A few trips to Mexico, and that was it. Sal ** As a matter of fact, Dumbya went to China in the 70s to visit his pops when Bush Sr. was representing the U.S. there: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#pitch Please provide a rational explanation for the claims in this article. I know that Margaret Thatcher learned TM (and it is common knowledge that she was big into Ayurved ). Her protege, who became the Tory party (Conservative Party) leader, for a term or so (forget his name, nice guy, known for being good with his constituents...lost general election), was known from the getgo as a TM'r, (famous headline said: From TM to PM?, when he first became Tory party leader). Thatcher had a strong friendship with Reagan, (and Gorbachev). Bush senoir was Reagan's right hand man. Prince Charles and the Queen are said to have learned TM (and Prince Phillip, Queens husband). The Prince Charles story is the most certain. If he learned, it is highly likely the Phillip and the Queen did. Thatcher and the Queen got on well. Who else is linked to Reagan, and possibly Bush senior as TM meditators? I don't get the thing about Mike Love and the Bush link on this website? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast ** The point was that the Beach Boys performed for Bush Numero Uno back when he was running for prez, which was a tremendous help for Bush, because, altho there are limits on what individuals can give to a candidate, a rock group who holds a concert and raises money from attendees, can raise an unlimited amount of money for the candidate. But why would a group of liberal California rock musicians be interested in raising money for a Maine-Texas Republican, ex-CIA director? The only thing I believe is reasonable is that Mike Love taught Bush Uno TM (it used to be a policy that only celebrity initiators would teach the famous), and the reason why Bush took an interest in TM stems from when he went to China to replace the old envoy, a gung-ho meditator who later served on the MIU Board of Trustees: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#jenkins To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Children need praise, and if they don't get enough of it, they'll leave the movement, like Chopra did. MMY has always recognized the need to lavish praise and attention on the industrial-age brats in the West who have gravitated to the TMO, and especially after Chopra left (despite MMY's calling him, among other things, the Lord of Immortality), MMY will express an interest in even the most trivial accomplishments of his staff. The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time... I asked Chopra about why he left the TMO after a lecture at the Himilayan Institute where he was speaking. I asked away from the group , not quite private but close... and he said that the movement didn't support him when he was slap suited for $20,000,000 after the JAMA article. What article and what suit? What was the outcome? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast When I remember more details, I'll post them. I beleive it was some article about Amrit and the suit against him was eventually dismissed. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the British here at FFLife?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Children need praise, and if they don't get enough of it, they'll leave the movement, like Chopra did. MMY has always recognized the need to lavish praise and attention on the industrial-age brats in the West who have gravitated to the TMO, and especially after Chopra left (despite MMY's calling him, among other things, the Lord of Immortality), MMY will express an interest in even the most trivial accomplishments of his staff. The good news is that the West no longer has any significance for the growth of the movement, a fact which MMY has underscored by raising fees to exclusionary levels and completely cutting off Britain. What has to happen now, now that a few candles have been lit in the West to reduce the shock of a Vedic India on the world, is for India to become restored to its Vedic status, and that is just a matter of time... I asked Chopra about why he left the TMO after a lecture at the Himilayan Institute where he was speaking. I asked away from the group , not quite private but close... and he said that the movement didn't support him when he was slap suited for $20,000,000 after the JAMA article. I don't remember all the details, but it was clear to me that the movement abandoned him when he was representing it. Made him pay the legal bills - I wish I could remember the details, but it was a long time ago JohnY *** Chopra was not sued over JAMA, but Chopra did sue a tabloid for $35 mil: http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Chopra.html (III Issues and Controversies) A lady did list Chopra in her lawsuit against MAPI, but later dropped him: http://www.trancenet.org/law/index.shtml#flint Chopra sued JAMA for $194 mil: http://www.trancenet.org/chopra/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's definitely incorrect. Until he became president, W had barely been out of Texas. A few trips to Mexico, and that was it. Sal ** As a matter of fact, Dumbya went to China in the 70s to visit his pops when Bush Sr. was representing the U.S. there: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#pitch Please provide a rational explanation for the claims in this article. I know that Margaret Thatcher learned TM (and it is common knowledge that she was big into Ayurved ). Her protege, who became the Tory party (Conservative Party) leader, for a term or so (forget his name, nice guy, known for being good with his constituents...lost general election), was known from the getgo as a TM'r, (famous headline said: From TM to PM?, when he first became Tory party leader). Thatcher had a strong friendship with Reagan, (and Gorbachev). Bush senoir was Reagan's right hand man. Prince Charles and the Queen are said to have learned TM (and Prince Phillip, Queens husband). The Prince Charles story is the most certain. If he learned, it is highly likely the Phillip and the Queen did. Thatcher and the Queen got on well. Who else is linked to Reagan, and possibly Bush senior as TM meditators? I don't get the thing about Mike Love and the Bush link on this website? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast ** The point was that the Beach Boys performed for Bush Numero Uno back when he was running for prez, which was a tremendous help for Bush, because, altho there are limits on what individuals can give to a candidate, a rock group who holds a concert and raises money from attendees, can raise an unlimited amount of money for the candidate. But why would a group of liberal California rock musicians be interested in raising money for a Maine-Texas Republican, ex-CIA director? The only thing I believe is reasonable is that Mike Love taught Bush Uno TM (it used to be a policy that only celebrity initiators would teach the famous), and the reason why Bush took an interest in TM stems from when he went to China to replace the old envoy, a gung-ho meditator who later served on the MIU Board of Trustees: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#jenkins Hold on there. Are you saying Bush and his sons learned TM, and you know that for sure, or just that Mike Love played for him, and a former envoy to China was replaced by Bush, and maybe Bush and sons learned, maybe not. Interesting to note the Clinton (Mr. and Mrs) probably learned, and good buddy (at the time) Al Gore definately did, and Clinton played his own trumpet(Saxaphone) on his campaign trail to beat Bush Snr. The plot thickens ! Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...
When George W. was speaking at Maharishi University in support of George H.'s 1988 run for the Presidency, he was naively asked by a student if his dad practiced TM. Dubyah answered I don't know, a response which the public is unlikely to be satisfied with in regard to GWB's own practice of TM. http://geocities.com/bbrigante/feedback.html#jenkins Hold on there. You're saying GW Bush spoke at MIU? You're kidding right? Sincerely yours, Slartybardfast To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] GOD WITHIN
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/urinetantrasalvation/ From: geneticrejuvenation [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed May 25, 2005 7:49 pm Subject: BAPTISM OF WATER, THEN FIRE! The answers to your questions are in the messages and files, but I will comment. In Hermetic Science, we are devoted to many True Masters. Principally among them are Jesus and Buddha. We have elected to study their teachings and to carry them out, rather than worship anything. The Truth is, they taught that they did not wish to be worshipped. Also, there were to be no rituals. Food and drink, as at the Last Supper, was to be only a remembrance of Jesus and his teaching about: You must eat my body and drink my blood..., which we now know to be a similitude for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb of God or Rasa Tantra. Rituals are monuments to the idiocy of man, since they do no good. Worshipping people, names, and forms, like rituals, are all idolatrous. Needless to say, you can do whatever you want. Without bearing the burden of wrath from those who might disagree, I should think that this thing we call God is best understood by direct perception. One must choose between an outer or an inner concept of the Divinity. Is it to be subjective or objective? In the West, it was an object outside us, which being forced outside, could never be attained within. In the east, among Yogis, Brahman was known to be a Manifestation which must come from within - The Subjective God of Direct Perception from Within Us, which could be attained. The Eastern concept of One- ness with God, is considered heresy in the West. So we must decide between a God which we keep outside with the dog, or a God which we invite inside for Deep Communion. St. Paul said: The GREAT MYSTERY IS CHRIST WITHIN US. Jesus said: The Kingdom of Heaven (God?) is within you, and The second coming of the Son of Man will be from WITHIN. The Constitution of the United States of America, guarantees Freedom of Religion, so that no whorehouse puta can enslave you to what you think is an erroneous concept. As a catholic once told me: I disagree with your theology, but I would fight to the death for our mutual right to religious Freedom. Since he had more troops than I, I was very grateful for the protection, and I also defend the right of other religions to call it the way they see it. Hermetic Science is for but a few. As Jesus said: Wide is the highway to destruction, and narrow is the alley to Salvation. In my humble opinion, God is best understood as Salvation from Suffering. Jesus once cured a man of a disease and declared: Your sins are forgiven. They asked him how could he forgive another's sins. Jesus answered: His disease is cured. A wise man once said: Christ never saved anyone. CHRIST IS SALVATION - not an outer therapist, but an inner therapy. In this Inner Light, I conclude that to be Born Again of bioplasma and Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit, or Kundalini Fire, or the Resurrection, mentioned so often by Mohammed in the Koran, and this is the Allah Within - the Inner Jihad - the Divine Transformation. Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/urinetantrasalvation/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...
In a message dated 5/25/05 12:09:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All those places you saw her briefly visit on the news the other night. I have been to all of them and much more. On my own, and spent much more time studying them. (plus I knew Jesus way long before either of them did...they don't know Jesus, they are fakes)You come across like a little kid that needs a hero, and Bush is it. (poor choice, since his works will be considered that of a coward in the annals of history)Sincerely yours,Slartybardfast. Sounds like you are an expert on everything, even on what other people, that you have never met, know and where they have been and when. Do you pick this up from watching the news or is it intuitive? By the way , you come across as a Know it all that knows very little. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vasishtha: They who...treat such holy men disrespectfully, surely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/05 3:51 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For this kind of guru-disciple relationship to persist, the guru has to be distant. In a close daily contact the idealization would collapse rather fast. Which is why there was such a high attrition rate among M's personal secretaries. Couldn't be simply because of burnout? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
