[FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi's Vedic Knowledge/Hit's South Africa...'

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna by Choice

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Are you familiar with Prayer?  Do you send God a MapQuest URL 
> > > when you say a prayer for yourself or someone else?
> > 
> > Cute.  But I'm with Jeff here.  I bailed from the TMO
> > long before all this stuff came up, so like him (if I'm
> > not mistaken about what he was asking), I'm officially 
> > without a clue as to why some people consider yagyas 
> > worth paying money for.  Could someone fill me in with
> > answers to the following questions?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey, I'm still stuck on the spelling and pronunciation.
> 
> Why "yagna" and not "yagya" when that's how it's pronounced...

That's one of the most confusing things in Sanskrit pronunciation, 
IMO.

>From Giitaa IV 33

shreyaan dravyamayaad *yajñaaj
jñaana-yajñaH*...

'yajñaaj jñaana...' is sandhi for 'yajñaat' + 'jñaana...'

In Sanskrit transliteration 'j' represents the 
same sound as the same letter in English 'jam' [dzam].

Thus one would expect that 'yajñaaj jñaana... ' would
be pronounced somewhat like 'yadznyaadz dznyaana...'
But on the movement Giita tapes at least, in my  ears,
they pronounce that sequence appoximately like 
'yadnyaad dnyaana...' or ' yagnyaag gnyaana...'

Sez Michael Coulson about 'jñ':

jña: the pronunciation of this varies widely.
In some places, for instance, it is like *gya*,
in others *dnya*. [...] The point about *jñ* is
that it is a palatalisation so to speak /en bloc/ of an
original /gn/. Thus *jña* 'to know' is connected
with Latin /co-gno-scere/ and English 'know'. 
[remember that 'g' as in 'get' is actually
the voiced counterpart of 'k' as in 'kit' -- card]
Perhaps the most appropriate of the modern 
pronunciations to adopt is therefore *gnya*, which
(by adding y to gn) does crudely represent a 
palatalisation.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna by Choice

[TurquoiseB]

Followup questions, just because something's still
kicking around in my mind with regard to this subject...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > > You are basically correct.  I never got the "hit" from
> > > the puja that some have said they experienced.  What I
> > > did experience has, since leaving the TM movement, had
> > > occasion to be measured against subsequent experiences.
> > > As a result, I don't really rank the experiences I had
> > > when performing puja 'way up there in the list of exper-
> > > iences I've had during this incarnation.  That's not
> > > a putdown or anything; it's just the truth.
> > 
> > My experience varied. Doing one puja, the effect can be sweet but
> > mild. But I had the opportunity to sometimes teach when people 
> > were line up around the block and at 9pm, people were still 
> > waiting. So when doing sometimes 60+ pujas in a weekend, the 
> > impact is quite pronounced, sublime, silent.

A question -- was there ever, or often, a feeling of
"spaciness" involved for you after having performed
the puja this many times?  By "spaciness" I mean a 
feeling of not being grounded, perhaps of being 
"not quite there."  Not *unpleasant*, just sorta
spaced out?

If so, did you ever experience this same thing when
having yagyas performed?

> > But I was using puja as a possible common ground of experience 
> > that
> > relates to the yagya experience . Regardless of whther you got a
> > "hit", you felt something -- you know the "thing" I am talking 
> > about, I think.  The difference may be magnitude.  
> 
> I believe that the difference is qualitative, not
> quantitative.  

More on this after the next paragraph.

> > > Cool again.  Just as a question, do you feel there was a
> > > subjective difference in the experience of being in the
> > > same room when the yagya was being performed and your
> > > subjective experience of the yagyas performed remotely?
> > 
> > Yes. 
> > In person, the yagyas left a puja-like feel of stillness and that
> > "blue smoke of divinity" thing -- I can't describe it much more 
> > than that. 

Your metaphor here is why I'm asking these questions,
especially the use of the word "smoke."

For me, in retrospect, I do see a *qualitative* difference
between the kinds of experiences I used to have with the 
puja or with pundits chanting in the few times I saw them
do so in Maharishi's presence, and other experiences that
I associate with being in the presence of samadhi or nirvana.

To some extent, this distinction is the same thing I was
talking about when we were talking a few days ago about
Maharishi's darshan.  What I experienced in his presence
was very *qualitatively* different than what I've exper-
ienced around other teachers who, as far as I can tell,
never did anything to "give" darshan -- they just slipped
into samadhi and we in the audience felt what we felt.

Similarly, I associate my subjective experience of the
puja and of pundits chanting with experiences that I'd
have to categorize as being "astral" -- belonging to the
relative, even if it's a more refined aspect of the
relative than we're used to.  As opposed to experiences
that I'd categorize more as transcendent -- having not
a whit of relative-ness about them...no attributes, no
qualities whatsoever, not even a *hint* of the relative
about them, totally absolute.

There is a subjective sense of "smoke" associated with
the "astral" experiences for me, and often, afterwards,
a sense of spaciness or ungroundedness.  On the contrary,
after one of the "absolute" or "nirvana" experiences, my
subjective experience is of total clarity, not a bit of
spaciness, a higher degree of focus and being able to
focus than ever.

Given my predilections, I prefer the latter experience.

I'm just wondering whether any of this strikes a reson-
ance with you, and your experiences with the puja and/or
yagyas.  Thanks in advance,

Unc






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I did a search on 'Bush's Obscene Tirades' and found
> > > that a lot of other websites carried the article.
> > 
> > Yeah, but you won't find it on any of the *major*
> > political blogs.  I checked a few of the ones that
> > had posted it, and they were really fringe-lefty
> > blogs, the kind who don't much care whether the
> > information they post is reliable.  (Unfortunately
> > Randi Rhodes of Air America has it on *her* blog.
> > She ought to know better.)
> > 
> > If it had appeared on Daily Kos or Atrios or Political
> > Animal or TPM Cafe or Huffpost, then you might want to
> > give it *some* measure of credibility.  I see people in
> > the Comments sections of these blogs posting links to
> > Capitol Hill Blue articles, and they almost always get
> > slapped down by other folks who tell them not to put
> > any faith in it (and these are very anti-Bush folks).
> 
> Hmmm.  Why does this remind me of what almost
> *everyone* in the News business said about
> Woodward and Bernstein when they first started
> publishing their stuff about Watergate?

You mean, that W&B's story was dubious because
they were publishing it in a tiny little newspaper
that was known to be unreliable, rather than in a
respectable outlet like The Washington Post?



> 
> If it turns out to be true, all these people
> dumping on Capitol Hill Blue will somehow 
> forget their criticisms and claim to have
> been the ones who "really" broke the story.  :-)
> 
> > Apparently it's published big "scoops" in the past
> > that have turned out to be pure garbage.
> > 
> > If you'll notice, a good portion of the article is
> > taken up with quoting this guy who wrote a book
> > supposedly psychoanalyzing Bush, and everything
> > else is attributed to unnamed sources.  There's
> > zero hard information in it.
> > 
> > > Until I see it on something like CNN, though, I won't
> > > be convinced the article is not a spoof. It sounds too
> > > outrageous to be true.
> > 
> > It isn't a spoof, but it is outrageous.  It's just 
> > mostly made up.  Bush apparently *did* give the
> > finger to some reporters recently, and one of them
> > got a photo of it.  I suspect that's what gave
> > CHB the idea for the article.  Lots of people have
> > seen the photo, and referring to it in the article
> > appears to give the rest of it more credibility.
> > 
> > If Bush *were* given to obscene tirades to the
> > scandalous extent the article says, you probably
> > wouldn't hear it on CNN, but you would likely see
> > references to it in some of the respectable
> > political blogs on the Web, because it would
> > get around.  If those bloggers heard it from
> > someone they trusted, they'd post it.
> > 
> > But if the *only* place you see something is
> > on Capitol Hill Blue, you can most likely chalk
> > it up and forget it.
> > 
> > "If it sounds too good to be true," and all that.
> > 
> > 
> > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Don't mean to spoil the fun, but as it happens
> > > > Capitol Hill Blue is NOT considered a reliable
> > > > source.  They seem to take little bits of facts
> > > > and then, er, embroider them rather significantly.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml
> > > > > 
> > > > > From Capitol Hill Blue
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bush Leagues Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White
> > > > House Aides By DOUG
> > > > > THOMPSON Aug 25, 2005, 06:19
> > > > > 
> > > > > While President George W. Bush travels around the
> > > > country in a last-
> > > > ditch
> > > > > effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides
> > > > scramble frantically 
> > > > behind
> > > > > the scenes to hide the dark mood of an
> > > > increasingly angry leader who
> > > > > unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who
> > > > dares disagree 
> > > > with him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ³I¹m not meeting again with that goddamned bitch,²
> > > > Bush screamed at 
> > > > aides
> > > > > who suggested he meet again with Cindy Sheehan,
> > > > the war-protesting 
> > > > mother
> > > > > whose son died in Iraq. ³She can go to hell as far
> > > > as I¹m concerned!
> > > > ²
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bush flashes the bird, something aides say he does
> > > > often and has 
> > > > been doing
> > > > > since his days as governor of Texas. Bush,
> > > > administration aides 
> > > > confide,
> > > > > frequently explodes into tirades over those who
> > > > protest the war, 
> > > > calling
> > > > > them ³motherfucking traitors.² He reportedly was
> > > > so upset over 
> > > > Veterans of
> > > > > Foreign Wars memb

[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan, was Vlodrop report

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My immediate impression of his statement would lead me to question 
whether
> this person had learned to separate samsaric patterns from 
nirvanic ones. 

I don't know (or care) who "this person" is, but my impression would 
be that separation of samsaric patterns from nirvanic ones could 
easily perpetuate ignorance, as the body-knowing is that samsara is 
nirvana, and nirvana is samsara.

> A few to the point questions would answer that, but it sounds like 
maybe not.
> I would also wonder if he was a reader of certain neo-advaita 
writers, as
> this sounds like that kind of 'think'. 

Yes, thinking alone will not sustain awakening -- it is an 
Understanding of the whole body-mind :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Bye

[Tom Pall]

Thanks for the interesting discussion about Yagyas and Yagna by
Choice.  I'm going back to no-email, no checking of messages on the
website status.  I'll tell you how my Tagna by Choice works out.

Tom




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan, was Vlodrop report

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > My immediate impression of his statement would lead me to question 
> whether
> > this person had learned to separate samsaric patterns from 
> nirvanic ones. 
> 
> I don't know (or care) who "this person" is, but my impression would 
> be that separation of samsaric patterns from nirvanic ones could 
> easily perpetuate ignorance, as the body-knowing is that samsara is 
> nirvana, and nirvana is samsara.

On the other hand, there are clearly many other valid understandings 
embracing separation or distinction between nirvana and samsara, so 
who am I to pontificate; Wholeness is truly indescribable (or is 
it?) :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Almost Bye

[Tom Pall]

I just received word from Yagna-by-Choice that my case was already
presented to the Pundits this morning.  I feel like a teenager on a
first date or like a kid before Christmas or the way I felt on the way
to my initiation into TM at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton,
FL.  It was on a Saturday so I assume I received Saturday's mantra. 
Something very wonderful is going to happen, I feel.

I'm going back into silence and not being here until I receive word
when my first two planets will be addressed.

Tom





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan, was Vlodrop report

[authfriend]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > My immediate impression of his statement would lead me to
> > > question whether this person had learned to separate samsaric 
> > > patterns from nirvanic ones. 
> > 
> > I don't know (or care) who "this person" is, but my impression 
> > would be that separation of samsaric patterns from nirvanic ones 
> > could easily perpetuate ignorance, as the body-knowing is that 
> > samsara is nirvana, and nirvana is samsara.
> 
> On the other hand, there are clearly many other valid 
> understandings embracing separation or distinction between nirvana 
> and samsara, so who am I to pontificate; Wholeness is truly 
> indescribable (or is it?) :-)

The trouble with Wholeness is that it's
not not-anything.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Almost Bye

[Peter]

Hey Tom, my office is in Boca!


--- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just received word from Yagna-by-Choice that my
> case was already
> presented to the Pundits this morning.  I feel like
> a teenager on a
> first date or like a kid before Christmas or the way
> I felt on the way
> to my initiation into TM at Florida Atlantic
> University in Boca Raton,
> FL.  It was on a Saturday so I assume I received
> Saturday's mantra. 
> Something very wonderful is going to happen, I feel.
> 
> I'm going back into silence and not being here until
> I receive word
> when my first two planets will be addressed.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] 'Flooded Rivers In Midwest/Weakening Earth Plates...'

[Robert Gimbel]

It is a rare event to experience an earthquake in the Midwest;
 
But one major quake did happen there, in St. Louis area;
 
A while back.
 
It could be that the weakening of the earth plates, due to flooding;
 
Making the possiblity of a Midwest earth tremor, more likely.
 
Monitoring of shakes in Midwest should be telling;
 
In the coming few days.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Amazing rescue

[authfriend]

I just watched a film clip on CNN of the most
amazing rescue by a Coast Guard copter of a guy
stranded on his roof.

What was so amazing wasn't that it was suspensefully
touch-and-go, but that it wasn't--no struggle, no
sweat.

They lowered a Coast Guard guy on the end of a rope
to the man on the roof; the Coast Guard guy grabbed
the man, the helicopter hauled them up, and they
stepped into the open door of the copter as if they
were getting off an elevator.

It was so smooth and routine it took me a minute
to recognize I was actually seeing a rescue.
Nothing to it.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides

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If it 
  turns out to be true, all these peopledumping on Capitol Hill Blue will 
  somehow forget their criticisms and claim to havebeen the ones who 
  "really" broke the story.  :-)

This Capitol Hill Blue story is just a rehash of the same 
story written about Clinton back in the 90's. I guess wait a few years and hope 
people have forgotten the original story and hey, turn about is fair 
play!





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> In a message dated 8/30/05 12:54:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> If it  turns out to be true, all these people
> dumping on Capitol Hill Blue will  somehow 
> forget their criticisms and claim to have
> been the ones who  "really" broke the story.  :-)
> 
> This Capitol Hill Blue story is just a rehash of the same  story
> written about Clinton back in the 90's. I guess wait a few years and 
> hope  people have forgotten the original story and hey, turn about 
> is fair  play!

Hey, the guy *needs* to believe it's true.  Don't
disillusion him.

I mean, it isn't as if there's anything *else* to
be alarmed about where Bush is concerned...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter I'm going to submit to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger

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> Intelligent, sensible meditators up at MUM and

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter I'm going to submit to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger

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wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Maybe feedback here will enable me to refine it:
> > 
> > Intelligent, sensible meditators up at MUM and
> 
> Is the "Fairfield Ledger" available on the Net?

Yes.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1139&pag=460&dept_ID=142642

But the Letters to the Editors section does not appear to be
accessable as it used to be  

Rick said he would post relevant letters to the editor.

Rick, how are you doing this? Scanning the print version? Or do you
have  a  link for the Letters to the Editors? 





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[FairfieldLife] Guru Purnimah 2005 in Vlodrop

[Rick Archer]

Title: Guru Purnimah 2005 in Vlodrop





Another account:

Guru Purnimah Celebrations 2005

 
Dear Friends,

1400 fortunate people attended Maharishi's Guru Purnima Celebration this year in Meru, Holland. The event far exceeded anyone's expectations. It was as if Maharishi was offering the lives of everyone there to the lotus feet of Guru Dev. It felt and looked like Heaven on Earth. There were beautiful white tents everywhere, the kind used for Presidential inaugurations, decorated with red carpets, chandeliers, comfortable red velvet chairs, and banquet halls filled with a variety of dishes and desserts served by professional caterers. 

Outside raised walkways were constructed between the tents, covered in green carpet and decorated with small flowering trees. In the central area a pond was created with flowers floating on the water. Children collected precious stones around the grounds and greeted you at the dining entrance with their colorful displays.

At around 3:30 or 4:00 each afternoon a variety of delicious Indian treats and snacks were distributed in all the tents. All the Rajas sat with His Majesty MahaRaj Nadar Raam, and the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, our dear President Dr. Bevan Morris, and other Ministers each day discussing the implementation of Maharishi's programs around the world. Maharishi frequently remarked how wonderful it was to sit and think globally with our world family. 

During the Guru Purnima Day Maharishi instructed Bevan to tell people where we stand in time. The year is 1,955,855,107. Another perspective is Yudisthira of the Pandavas which is the year 5,143. In Shankara Samvatsar, time since Ati Shankaracharya established the four Mats, the Northern Mat - Jyotir Mat, the time counted from him is year 2,513. And then Maharishi Samvatsar is year 50.

It was during this day that Maharishi launched his Global Reconstruction Program and invited builders in every country to begin building Peace Colonies in every city composed of "fortune-creating" homes, and Peace Palaces, where Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and other Vedic-science-based programs will be taught to promote enlightenment for the individual and permanent peace for the world. Many of Europe's top builders came to the Rajas Tent to meet with the Rajas and His Excellency Dr. Eike Hartmann to commit their time and resources toward this project. 

During this week's Global Press Conference, Bevan gave a beautiful summary of Maharishi's desires for the world that were laid out during the Guru Purnima celebration. He said that globally we want a grand unified world. This hope has come in the midst of Maharishi's analysis of the history of the world.

Government is based upon man-made laws instead of the laws that run the universe - the Constitution of the Universe. The result is a never-ending search for a better administration. The present system of government, democracy, has proven to be a divider of nations and a failure to provide solutions to the problems and suffering of society.

Yet when we speak to governments and show them using scientific evidence how that system is failing, they have deaf ears. Maharishi explains that these leaders have subjected themselves to drugs, alcohol, poisonous foods and medications. In addition, the buildings where they reside and work are damaging to their fortune, clarity of thought, and ability to understand. 

Maharishi says it is like they are running into a fire and he is telling them don't do it, don't run into the gates of hell. But this is related to the destiny of the world -as you sow, so shall you reap. Maharishi has always done what ever he can to help change that. 50 years ago he started teaching the Transcendental Meditation program to the entire human race so that every adult and student can experience all possibilities in their own awareness. This experience alone awakens the total functioning of the brain.

>From our own experience as alumni, we know habituating our self to that unbounded ocean of consciousness, the field in which the whole universe is floating, creates the most powerful thinking. With more and more people learning Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi program the coherence in national consciousness will raise to a level where government leaders will begin to make better decisions.
 
Vaastu

But the other thing Maharishi is focusing on and he invites us to help is to reconstruct the world according to the principals of Vedic Architecture in harmony with Natural Law (www.GlobalReconstruction.org). Build everyone a lucky house, a house that promotes good fortune and will transform the lives of the people in these houses.

When a house is not built according to the proper cardinal directions aligned to true north, south, east, west, then wrong layout of a home offends the harmony of nature. When every day you offend the harmony of nature, you can't sooth it and you can't over come it. Natural Law is so powerful i

[FairfieldLife] Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[akasha_108]

That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now Dixon --
this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to stop!!.  
Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop him
before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!

:)



---
Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor
Aug 29 10:39 PM US/Eastern


CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said
on Monday his government plans to sell as much as 66,000 barrels per
day of heating fuel from its U.S. Citgo refinery to poor communities
in the United States.

The offer, made after populist Chavez held talks with U.S. civil
rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson, would represent 10 percent of the
660,000 bpd of refined products processed by Citgo. The deals would
cut consumer costs by direct sales.

Venezuela's Energy Minister Rafael Ramirez said officials were still
working on the details on how the oil would be sold from Citgo, a unit
of the state oil firm PDVSA.

"We are going to direct as much as 10 percent of the production, that
means 66,000 barrels, without intermediaries, to poor communities,
hospitals, religious communities, schools," Chavez told reporters at a
press conference.

The world's No. 5 oil exporter, oil cartel OPEC member Venezuela is a
key supplier to the United States, providing about 15 percent of all
U.S. energy imports.

But relations between Caracas and Washington have become strained
since left-winger Chavez was elected in 1998 promising social reforms.

Chavez, a former army officer who survived a coup in 2002, frequently
accuses the U.S. of backing efforts to kill him or topple his
government. U.S. officials dismiss those charges but say Chavez has
become a threat to regional stability.




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[FairfieldLife] Arizona Daily Star' Drops Ann Coulter's 'Shrill' Column

[akasha_108]

Off, what are those damn hard core Red states going to do next?

--

NEW YORK The Arizona Daily Star in Tucson has had enough of
conservative commentator Ann Coulter.

In a column announcing a wide range of changes in the paper's opinion
pages Monday, Editor and Publisher David Stoeffler revealed that the
paper was dropping Coulter's syndicated column.

"Many readers find her shrill, bombastic, and mean-spirited. And those
are the words used by readers who identified themselves as
conservatives," the recently appointed Stoeffler wrote.

One recent example of Coulter's controversial approach was in her Aug.
10 column. She wrote: "(T)he savages have declared war, and it's far
preferable to fight them in the streets of Baghdad than in the streets
of New York -- where the residents would immediately surrender."

Coulter's column is distributed weekly by Universal Press Syndicate.

Taking her place in the Star will be the Creators Syndicate column by
fellow conservative Tony Snow, host of "The Tony Snow Show" on Fox
News Radio and "Weekend Live With Tony Snow" on the Fox News Channel.
He has also worked for several newspapers.

Stoeffler's piece also mentioned other changes in the Star's opinion
pages, including smaller photos and cartoons to make room for longer
columns and more letters.

Stoeffler has been at the paper just nine weeks. He said the paper had
received about 300 e-mails on a recent re-design, and many were
negative. So the Star is shifting back to "more words" and a less
fancy design.

For one thing, the cartoons by David Fitzsimmons will now run smaller,
freeing up room for another columnist.

"Running a newspaper is something like building a three-legged stool,"
Stoeffler explained. "We need to understand and satisfy a broad
audience. Through a combination of market research and regular
contact, we come to know what readers want."
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[FairfieldLife] Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[akasha_108]

The Bush legacy?

--


Poverty Rate Rises to 12.7 Percent
Aug 30 10:20 AM US/Eastern


By JENNIFER C. KERR
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON

The nation's poverty rate rose to 12.7 percent of the population last
year, the fourth consecutive annual increase, the Census Bureau said
Tuesday.

The percentage of people without health insurance did not change.

Overall, there were 37 million people living in poverty, up 1.1
million people from 2003. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[Peter]

God damn Kerry! 

--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Bush legacy?
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Poverty Rate Rises to 12.7 Percent
> Aug 30 10:20 AM US/Eastern
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> 
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> Associated Press Writer
> 
> WASHINGTON
> 
> The nation's poverty rate rose to 12.7 percent of
> the population last
> year, the fourth consecutive annual increase, the
> Census Bureau said
> Tuesday.
> 
> The percentage of people without health insurance
> did not change.
> 
> Overall, there were 37 million people living in
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Flooded Rivers In Midwest/Weakening Earth Plates...'

[Peter]

Flooding can weaken the earth's tectonic plates? I'm
not so sure about that. I don't think all that dirt is
keeping the plates in place!

--- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is a rare event to experience an earthquake in
> the Midwest;
>  
> But one major quake did happen there, in St. Louis
> area;
>  
> A while back.
>  
> It could be that the weakening of the earth plates,
> due to flooding;
>  
> Making the possiblity of a Midwest earth tremor,
> more likely.
>  
> Monitoring of shakes in Midwest should be telling;
>  
> In the coming few days.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

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  commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now Dixon --this 
  kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to stop!!.  
  Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop himbefore 
  this kind  of evil sharing 
spreads!!!:)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> In a message dated 8/30/05 10:05:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> That  commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now Dixon --
> this  kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to
stop!!.   
> Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop him
> before  this kind  of evil sharing  spreads!!!
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> Damn, you  finally opened your  eyes!


Yeah!! Amen !! We don't need no commie kindness. Bush is dealing with
those uppity 13% poor folks just fine.  But what about that Pink
Arizona kicking Saint Ann out. Do you think we ought'a invade Tucson
and stop them damn godless insurgents, out "there" in Arizona , before
we have to fight them here at home? 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[MDixon6569]

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  Kerry! --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:> The Bush legacy?

Na, more like a Vicente Fox legacy.  I would be 
interested to know what percent of that 12.7 are illegals come here to take our 
minimum wage and higher  jobs, and live off of our charity and welfare 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter I'm going to submit to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger

[Rick Archer]

on 8/30/05 9:49 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Rick said he would post relevant letters to the editor.
> 
> Rick, how are you doing this? Scanning the print version? Or do you
> have  a  link for the Letters to the Editors?

Erik Gable sent me his "Tale of Two Gurus" article as a text file. The last
two letters I posted, I typed. There's a scanner with OCR software I can use
at a business I sometimes work at in town, but I wasn't going there, so I
typed them. I sent my letter to Erik this morning. Here's how it ended up.
Apologies to any whose suggestions I didn't incorporate.



Intelligent, sensible meditators at MUM and around town (and there are many)
must have cringed when recent letters by Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick ("Respecting
Maharishi requires absolute belief") and Lawrence Topliffe ("Meditators
aren't deluded - nonbelievers are") were published. With spokesmen like
these, who needs critics? I'm afraid these fundamentalist rants exemplified
points I made in Erik Gable's earlier article (A Tale of Two Gurus). If I
could rephrase what I was quoted as saying, it would be to say that some in
the TM Movement have degenerated into a cult-like mentality, or have yet to
grow out of it. Every organization is comprised of a variety of people, and
I apologize for seeming to imply that this mentality characterizes the
entire TM movement.
 
There are people in every religious, spiritual, and political group who
believe that their particular teacher or perspective is superior to all
others. In some groups, this may be a subtle bias held by a minority. In
others, it is official doctrine.
 
Kirkpatrick's contention that Maharishi alone possesses "Total Knowledge"
misrepresented Maharishi's teaching, as I understand it. Maharishi never
described total knowledge as something that anyone may possess exclusively,
but rather as the experience and understanding of the most fundamental level
of nature's functioning – a universal, timeless reality that may be
discovered in the core of one's being, and that many people in different
cultures and traditions throughout history have experienced as a living
reality, often contemporaneously. Nor did Maharishi ever advocate belief,
either in himself or in anything he taught. For the most part, at least in
the earlier years of his teaching, he emphasized scientific and experiential
verification.
 
On that note, Topliffe's letter contained several examples of unscientific
exaggeration. For instance, there may have been some study in which TM was
shown to reduce occurrences of some illness by 90%, but on the whole, its
health benefits are much less dramatic, and it was disingenuous to imply
otherwise. Also, contrary to Topliffe's suggestion that yogic flyers really
are levitating, after nearly 30 years of practice, there are no documented
accounts in the TM movement of anyone actually floating in the air‑and yogic
flyers are well aware that this is the case.
 
Unsubstantiated beliefs are not a stable foundation for life, because they
constantly clash with reality. This leads to a defensive, "us vs. them"
mentality that is fundamental to all political, ethnic and religious strife.
According to the ancient Chinese text, the I Ching, "The healthy mind
challenges its own assumptions." Examining one's assumptions and beliefs and
revising or discarding them if necessary may not always be comfortable in
the short run, but it results in a harmonious, secure, and far richer life.
 
As Bertrand Russell put it, "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but
the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." Do we know absolutely
that our beliefs are true, or do we hold them because our parents, our
culture, our politicians, or our spiritual leaders told us we should? It
might be liberating to step back and take a fresh look. So what if most of
our certainties become mysteries. Ironically, this makes one more secure –
not less – because one has less to defend. A childlike sense of wonder is
much more fascinating than dogmatism. And as Jesus said, it's a prerequisite
to entering the Kingdom of Heaven.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Names/Purification(s) of Forces of Nature...'

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Have found these to be helpful, in my practice.
>  
>  Sanskrit names, which can  be used for purifying "Forces of Nature"
>  
> Fire:  Shree Agneem Namah
>  
>Water:  Shree Vyasham Namah
>  
> Air:  Shree Vaiyhuam Nahah
>  
>   Thunder/lighting:  Shree Indrham Namah
>  
> Space:   Shree Akashyham Namah
>  
>   These are very powerful Mantras;
>  
> And only require a few repititions;
>  
>   Like doing Sanyama in the "Forces of Nature"
>  
> They intensify and purify, the forces of nature.
>  
>   So, that the "Light of God" shines;
>  
> More brightly on Earth.
>  
> Jai Guru Devam Namah OM
>  
>   Copyright2005  Robert Gimbel
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>   
You have to be careful when you 'copyright' those 'forces of nature'.
(they like servicemarks better!)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 8/30/05 10:30:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah!! 
  Amen !! We don't need no commie kindness. Bush is dealing withthose uppity 
  13% poor folks just fine.  But what about that PinkArizona kicking 
  Saint Ann out. Do you think we ought'a invade Tucsonand stop them damn 
  godless insurgents, out "there" in Arizona , beforewe have to fight them 
  here at home? :)

Huh?





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[FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk

[Rick Archer]

Title: Llundrub - Kirk





I just tried calling him, but I got a recorded message saying it wasn’t possible to call that area due to the hurricane.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 8/30/05 10:19:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> God damn  Kerry! 
> 
> --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
> 
> > The Bush legacy?
> 
> 
> 
> Na, more like a Vicente Fox legacy.  I would be  interested to
know what 
> percent of that 12.7 are illegals come here to take our  minimum
wage and 
> higher  jobs, and live off of our charity and welfare  system.

Damn, I bet its like 200%.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 8/30/05 10:30:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Yeah!!  Amen !! We don't need no commie kindness. Bush is dealing with
> those uppity  13% poor folks just fine.  But what about that Pink
> Arizona kicking  Saint Ann out. Do you think we ought'a invade Tucson
> and stop them damn  godless insurgents, out "there" in Arizona , before
> we have to fight them  here at home? 
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> Huh?

Come on boy -- Wake up and smell the coffee. We got an insurgency
taking place in one of the red states -- even if its in the boonies. 




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[FairfieldLife] Very cool pix

[Cliff]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> Yeah!!  Amen !! We don't need no commie kindness. Bush is dealing with
> those uppity  13% poor folks just fine.  But what about that Pink
> Arizona kicking  Saint Ann out. Do you think we ought'a invade
Tucson and stop them damn  godless insurgents, out "there" in Arizona
, before  we have to fight them  here at home? 

> :)

Huh?


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 taking place in one of the red states -- even if its in the boonies.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk

[Vaj]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk





Erin’s from that area, so maybe they’re staying with relatives? They are not allowing people back in until Monday and 80% of the city is flooded.

I just heard from a friend living in the French Quarter and he was fine other than a skylight that blew out. The French Quarter is not flooded and the winds dried everything out!


On 8/30/05 11:40 AM, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I just tried calling him, but I got a recorded message saying it wasn’t possible to call that area due to the hurricane. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk

[llundrub]

Hi Guys, just checking in. My wife and I are OK. We're still in Vermont.  
Erin's parents got out of New Orleans right from the start of the hurricane 
warning, and so altogether, besides property damage, we're all ok. So I thank 
you all for being concerned.  It smacks of love and friendship, and so love and 
friendship returned to you guys. 

There's no human understanding which can usurp the machinations of Mother 
Nature herself.  Nor can one plan.  At best, in this world one can maintain 
health and love and kindness through difficulties, and if so then one is lucky. 
I consider myself lucky and wish that same amazing luck upon you all as well 
through whatever difficulties arise for you.  So take care. 

80% of NOLA is flooded and so we can't return home for a month.  Perhaps in a 
few weeks though I'll be in California at my sister's house and I'll have time 
to come back and play there at FFLife. 

Thanks again for your concern. Peace.



> 
> From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/08/30 Tue AM 11:40:29 EDT
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk
> 
> I just tried calling him, but I got a recorded message saying it wasn¹t
> possible to call that area due to the hurricane.
> 
> 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk

[Rick Archer]

on 8/30/05 10:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 80% of NOLA is flooded and so we can't return home for a month.  Perhaps in a
> few weeks though I'll be in California at my sister's house and I'll have time
> to come back and play there at FFLife.

Yay! Glad to hear you're OK and that your wife is with you. I was afraid you
were in Vermont and she was back in NOLA. If you drive to California, please
stop in Fairfield on your way.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnimah 2005 in Vlodrop

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The following is the one part I really liked from the letter:


[snip]

> He said to say that you are divine inside, you are cosmic inside, 
you are universal inside, your soul is a Unified Field, you are 
bliss inside, you are a flow of bliss. You are a flow of total 
Natural Law, you are invincible, you are powerful, you are 
integrated. He said to tell you these things 1,000 times. Writing 
once will not be enough, keep on writing every day. He said to keep 
on advising you in the name of God, total Natural Law.

[snip]


But can someone tell me: what is this reference to "writing once 
will not be enough, keep on writing every day"?  Writing to whom, 
writing what?

As far as the rest of the letter, it is not that I am against either 
Vastu or organic farming and organic foods, it is just that part of 
me holds back when I read stuff like this because it is all tinged 
with at least SOME movement propaganda that appears to have as its 
motive getting money from my pocket.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now 
Dixon --
> this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to 
stop!!.  
> Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop him
> before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> 
> :)



Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years has been 
offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.




> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor
> Aug 29 10:39 PM US/Eastern
>   
> 
> CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez 
said
> on Monday his government plans to sell as much as 66,000 barrels 
per
> day of heating fuel from its U.S. Citgo refinery to poor 
communities
> in the United States.
> 
> The offer, made after populist Chavez held talks with U.S. civil
> rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson, would represent 10 percent of 
the
> 660,000 bpd of refined products processed by Citgo. The deals would
> cut consumer costs by direct sales.
> 
> Venezuela's Energy Minister Rafael Ramirez said officials were 
still
> working on the details on how the oil would be sold from Citgo, a 
unit
> of the state oil firm PDVSA.
> 
> "We are going to direct as much as 10 percent of the production, 
that
> means 66,000 barrels, without intermediaries, to poor communities,
> hospitals, religious communities, schools," Chavez told reporters 
at a
> press conference.
> 
> The world's No. 5 oil exporter, oil cartel OPEC member Venezuela 
is a
> key supplier to the United States, providing about 15 percent of 
all
> U.S. energy imports.
> 
> But relations between Caracas and Washington have become strained
> since left-winger Chavez was elected in 1998 promising social 
reforms.
> 
> Chavez, a former army officer who survived a coup in 2002, 
frequently
> accuses the U.S. of backing efforts to kill him or topple his
> government. U.S. officials dismiss those charges but say Chavez has
> become a threat to regional stability.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[akasha_108]

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wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now 
> Dixon --
> > this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to 
> stop!!.  
> > Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop him
> > before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> > 
> > :)
> 
> 
> 
> Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years has been 
> offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.

The horror! The unmitigated Evil!








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spi

[Rick Archer]

on 8/30/05 1:19 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In 
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> TorguoiseB writes:
>> As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether
>> folks here have favorite films that they consider
>> spiritual.
>> 
>> Tom T:
>> Pleasantville!. It even has a MMY like character who gets upset when
>> the main character falls out of character and goes it alone. Very
>> funny if you have been in the movement a long time.
> 
> Excellent recommendation.  Thanks to you guys, my list
> now contains over 300 films, some of which will be
> undoubtedly discarded as I have to wade through review-
> ing them all, some of which will stick around.

When you have a chance to review and see them, let us know the best of the
best.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Arizona Daily Star' Drops Ann Coulter's 'Shrill' Column

[shempmcgurk]

Red states and Blue states are a source of confusion to me.

In Canada where I come from, the official colour of the Liberal 
Party of Canada is red and the official colour of the Conservative 
Party is blue.

Now, in the States, the more conservative party, the Republicans, 
are "red" and the Democrats, the more liberal party, are "blue".

Dammit, it's even more frustrating than switching back and forth 
from metric and imperial measurements...





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Off, what are those damn hard core Red states going to do next?
> 
> --
> 
> NEW YORK The Arizona Daily Star in Tucson has had enough of
> conservative commentator Ann Coulter.
> 
> In a column announcing a wide range of changes in the paper's 
opinion
> pages Monday, Editor and Publisher David Stoeffler revealed that 
the
> paper was dropping Coulter's syndicated column.
> 
> "Many readers find her shrill, bombastic, and mean-spirited. And 
those
> are the words used by readers who identified themselves as
> conservatives," the recently appointed Stoeffler wrote.
> 
> One recent example of Coulter's controversial approach was in her 
Aug.
> 10 column. She wrote: "(T)he savages have declared war, and it's 
far
> preferable to fight them in the streets of Baghdad than in the 
streets
> of New York -- where the residents would immediately surrender."
> 
> Coulter's column is distributed weekly by Universal Press 
Syndicate.
> 
> Taking her place in the Star will be the Creators Syndicate column 
by
> fellow conservative Tony Snow, host of "The Tony Snow Show" on Fox
> News Radio and "Weekend Live With Tony Snow" on the Fox News 
Channel.
> He has also worked for several newspapers.
> 
> Stoeffler's piece also mentioned other changes in the Star's 
opinion
> pages, including smaller photos and cartoons to make room for 
longer
> columns and more letters.
> 
> Stoeffler has been at the paper just nine weeks. He said the paper 
had
> received about 300 e-mails on a recent re-design, and many were
> negative. So the Star is shifting back to "more words" and a less
> fancy design.
> 
> For one thing, the cartoons by David Fitzsimmons will now run 
smaller,
> freeing up room for another columnist.
> 
> "Running a newspaper is something like building a three-legged 
stool,"
> Stoeffler explained. "We need to understand and satisfy a broad
> audience. Through a combination of market research and regular
> contact, we come to know what readers want."
> E&P Staff ([EMAIL PROTECTED])





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[shempmcgurk]

Remember that the so-called "poverty rate" is a relative statistical 
comparison measurement that has absolutely nothing to do with the 
actual measurement of real poverty.

If there was such a measurement, real poverty would be somewhere 
around zero in the United States.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> The Bush legacy?
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Poverty Rate Rises to 12.7 Percent
> Aug 30 10:20 AM US/Eastern
>   
> 
> By JENNIFER C. KERR
> Associated Press Writer
> 
> WASHINGTON
> 
> The nation's poverty rate rose to 12.7 percent of the population 
last
> year, the fourth consecutive annual increase, the Census Bureau 
said
> Tuesday.
> 
> The percentage of people without health insurance did not change.
> 
> Overall, there were 37 million people living in poverty, up 1.1
> million people from 2003.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Arizona Daily Star' Drops Ann Coulter's 'Shrill' Column

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Red states and Blue states are a source of confusion to me.
> 
> In Canada where I come from, the official colour of the Liberal 
> Party of Canada is red and the official colour of the Conservative 
> Party is blue.
> 
> Now, in the States, the more conservative party, the Republicans, 
> are "red" and the Democrats, the more liberal party, are "blue".


I think Jimi Hendrix had it right: Purple Haze. 

 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[shempmcgurk]

One accurate thing from this article:

It talks about the percentage of people without "health insurance", 
not "health care": there are about 41 million people without health 
insurance in the United States and, of course zero people without 
health care in the United States.

Big difference.

Indeed, to his credit, this is something that even Michael Moore has 
changed in his public declarations.



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> The Bush legacy?
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Poverty Rate Rises to 12.7 Percent
> Aug 30 10:20 AM US/Eastern
>   
> 
> By JENNIFER C. KERR
> Associated Press Writer
> 
> WASHINGTON
> 
> The nation's poverty rate rose to 12.7 percent of the population 
last
> year, the fourth consecutive annual increase, the Census Bureau 
said
> Tuesday.
> 
> The percentage of people without health insurance did not change.
> 
> Overall, there were 37 million people living in poverty, up 1.1
> million people from 2003.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub - Kirk

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Guys, just checking in. My wife and I are OK. We're still in
Vermont.  Erin's parents got out of New Orleans right from the start
of the hurricane warning, and so altogether, besides property damage,
we're all ok. So I thank you all for being concerned.  It smacks of
love and friendship, and so love and friendship returned to you guys. 
> 
> There's no human understanding which can usurp the machinations of
Mother Nature herself.  Nor can one plan.  At best, in this world one
can maintain health and love and kindness through difficulties, and if
so then one is lucky. I consider myself lucky and wish that same
amazing luck upon you all as well through whatever difficulties arise
for you.  So take care. 
> 
> 80% of NOLA is flooded and so we can't return home for a month. 
Perhaps in a few weeks though I'll be in California at my sister's
house and I'll have time to come back and play there at FFLife. 
> 
> Thanks again for your concern. Peace.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2005/08/30 Tue AM 11:40:29 EDT
> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk
> > 
> > I just tried calling him, but I got a recorded message saying it
wasn¹t
> > possible to call that area due to the hurricane.
> > 
> >

Good to hear from you, and good to to hear that both of you are safe.
Let us know what you need.

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[akasha_108]

I understand your point. But then I guess that you then personally
have no problem in living a comfortable and fulfilling life at the US
"poverty level". I would guess that you donate all your income above
that level. 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Remember that the so-called "poverty rate" is a relative statistical 
> comparison measurement that has absolutely nothing to do with the 
> actual measurement of real poverty.
> 
> If there was such a measurement, real poverty would be somewhere 
> around zero in the United States.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > The Bush legacy?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > 
> > Poverty Rate Rises to 12.7 Percent
> > Aug 30 10:20 AM US/Eastern
> > 
> > 
> > By JENNIFER C. KERR
> > Associated Press Writer
> > 
> > WASHINGTON
> > 
> > The nation's poverty rate rose to 12.7 percent of the population 
> last
> > year, the fourth consecutive annual increase, the Census Bureau 
> said
> > Tuesday.
> > 
> > The percentage of people without health insurance did not change.
> > 
> > Overall, there were 37 million people living in poverty, up 1.1
> > million people from 2003.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Remember that the so-called "poverty rate" is a relative statistical 
> comparison measurement that has absolutely nothing to do with the 
> actual measurement of real poverty.
> 
> If there was such a measurement, real poverty would be somewhere 
> around zero in the United States.
> 

Yea, if people are not actually starving to death, and as long as they
are not sleeping in the streets (oops, a "few" actually are) then all
is well. Where's the problem!! 

:)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now 
> > Dixon --
> > > this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to 
> > stop!!.  
> > > Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop 
him
> > > before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> > > 
> > > :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years has 
been 
> > offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.
> 
> The horror! The unmitigated Evil!


Actually, it is.

Aside from being silly propaganda schtick, it is the kind of 
economic policies of wealth distribution promoted by Castro that has 
done untold damage to the poor people of the world, NOT helped them.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I understand your point. But then I guess that you then personally
> have no problem in living a comfortable and fulfilling life at the 
US
> "poverty level".




Yes, you are absolutely correct.




> I would guess that you donate all your income above
> that level. 




Millions of Americans already do: it's called PAYING TAXES.





> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Remember that the so-called "poverty rate" is a relative 
statistical 
> > comparison measurement that has absolutely nothing to do with 
the 
> > actual measurement of real poverty.
> > 
> > If there was such a measurement, real poverty would be somewhere 
> > around zero in the United States.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > The Bush legacy?
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Poverty Rate Rises to 12.7 Percent
> > > Aug 30 10:20 AM US/Eastern
> > >   
> > > 
> > > By JENNIFER C. KERR
> > > Associated Press Writer
> > > 
> > > WASHINGTON
> > > 
> > > The nation's poverty rate rose to 12.7 percent of the 
population 
> > last
> > > year, the fourth consecutive annual increase, the Census 
Bureau 
> > said
> > > Tuesday.
> > > 
> > > The percentage of people without health insurance did not 
change.
> > > 
> > > Overall, there were 37 million people living in poverty, up 1.1
> > > million people from 2003.




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[FairfieldLife] 'Ruby Slippers/Heisted from Minnesota Museum.'

[Robert Gimbel]

Fox News reported today, that the Ruby Slippers, that Dorothy wore in the "The Wizard of Oz";
 
Has been stolen, from a Minnesota Museum.
 
No further details available at this time.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > I understand your point. But then I guess that you then personally
> > have no problem in living a comfortable and fulfilling life at the 
> US
> > "poverty level".

Which for a single person (I am gussing you are single)  is $8501
(well thats 1999 but inflation has been low since then so its in that
neighborhood).

So, you are living on less than $9000/year -- without dipping into
savings, without barter, without spending substantial amounts of time
growing your own food or building your own housing, (which should be
moneterized if we are comparing to employed persons at poverty level)?




> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, you are absolutely correct.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > I would guess that you donate all your income above
> > that level. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Millions of Americans already do: it's called PAYING TAXES.


Families of four making up to $40,000 or so don't pay taxes -- which
is way above the 17,000 family of four poverty level.  A family of
four making $40k even 50k+ is not paying $23-33k intaxes. Your quip is
more than vaccuous.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now 
> > > Dixon --
> > > > this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to 
> > > stop!!.  
> > > > Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop 
> him
> > > > before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> > > > 
> > > > :)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years has 
> been 
> > > offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.
> > 
> > The horror! The unmitigated Evil!
> 
> 
> Actually, it is.
> 
> Aside from being silly propaganda schtick, it is the kind of 
> economic policies of wealth distribution promoted by Castro that has 
> done untold damage to the poor people of the world, NOT helped them.

Yes universal health care and free eductation has been the evil that
has caused untold damage to the people of the world --throughout
Canada, Europe, much of Asia. I am with you Shemp. This commie evil
plot of universal healthcare and free education needs to be stopped
NOW! I just wish Bush were not such a commie pussy for providing
prescription drug  coverage for seniors, and spending OUR tax money on
education. Its a dangerours trend. Its a clear and present threat to
the Republic!

:)









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub - Kirk

[george]

thanks for the update kirk...hugs!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Guys, just checking in. My wife and I are OK. We're still in
Vermont.  Erin's parents got 
out of New Orleans right from the start of the hurricane warning, and
so altogether, 
besides property damage, we're all ok. So I thank you all for being
concerned.  It smacks 
of love and friendship, and so love and friendship returned to you
guys. 
> 
> There's no human understanding which can usurp the machinations of
Mother Nature 
herself.  Nor can one plan.  At best, in this world one can maintain
health and love and 
kindness through difficulties, and if so then one is lucky. I
consider myself lucky and wish 
that same amazing luck upon you all as well through whatever
difficulties arise for you.  So 
take care. 
> 
> 80% of NOLA is flooded and so we can't return home for a month. 
Perhaps in a few 
weeks though I'll be in California at my sister's house and I'll have
time to come back and 
play there at FFLife. 
> 
> Thanks again for your concern. Peace.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2005/08/30 Tue AM 11:40:29 EDT
> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub - Kirk
> > 
> > I just tried calling him, but I got a recorded message saying it
wasn¹t
> > possible to call that area due to the hurricane.
> > 
> >




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Names/Purification(s) of Forces of Nature...'

[brahmachari108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have found these to be helpful, in my practice.
snip

>   So, that the "Light of God" shines;
>  
> More brightly on Earth.
>  
> Jai Guru Devam Namah OM
>  
>   Copyright2005  Robert Gimbel


You can copyright these mantras?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter I'm going to submit to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger

[Patrick Gillam]

Very good, Rick! I'm sure you've spoken for a lot of 
people -- many of whom will tell you so in the days 
after publication.

Isn't it funny how fulfilling it is to see one's own 
feelings expressed by good writers and speakers? 

 - Patrick Gillam

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/30/05 9:49 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Rick said he would post relevant letters to the editor.
> > 
> > Rick, how are you doing this? Scanning the print version? Or do you
> > have  a  link for the Letters to the Editors?
> 
> Erik Gable sent me his "Tale of Two Gurus" article as a text file. The last
> two letters I posted, I typed. There's a scanner with OCR software I can use
> at a business I sometimes work at in town, but I wasn't going there, so I
> typed them. I sent my letter to Erik this morning. Here's how it ended up.
> Apologies to any whose suggestions I didn't incorporate.
> 
> 
> 
> Intelligent, sensible meditators at MUM and around town (and there are many)
> must have cringed when recent letters by Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick ("Respecting
> Maharishi requires absolute belief") and Lawrence Topliffe ("Meditators
> aren't deluded - nonbelievers are") were published. With spokesmen like
> these, who needs critics? I'm afraid these fundamentalist rants exemplified
> points I made in Erik Gable's earlier article (A Tale of Two Gurus). If I
> could rephrase what I was quoted as saying, it would be to say that some in
> the TM Movement have degenerated into a cult-like mentality, or have yet to
> grow out of it. Every organization is comprised of a variety of people, and
> I apologize for seeming to imply that this mentality characterizes the
> entire TM movement.
>  
> There are people in every religious, spiritual, and political group who
> believe that their particular teacher or perspective is superior to all
> others. In some groups, this may be a subtle bias held by a minority. In
> others, it is official doctrine.
>  
> Kirkpatrick's contention that Maharishi alone possesses "Total Knowledge"
> misrepresented Maharishi's teaching, as I understand it. Maharishi never
> described total knowledge as something that anyone may possess exclusively,
> but rather as the experience and understanding of the most fundamental level
> of nature's functioning â€" a universal, timeless reality that may be
> discovered in the core of one's being, and that many people in different
> cultures and traditions throughout history have experienced as a living
> reality, often contemporaneously. Nor did Maharishi ever advocate belief,
> either in himself or in anything he taught. For the most part, at least in
> the earlier years of his teaching, he emphasized scientific and experiential
> verification.
>  
> On that note, Topliffe's letter contained several examples of unscientific
> exaggeration. For instance, there may have been some study in which TM was
> shown to reduce occurrences of some illness by 90%, but on the whole, its
> health benefits are much less dramatic, and it was disingenuous to imply
> otherwise. Also, contrary to Topliffe's suggestion that yogic flyers really
> are levitating, after nearly 30 years of practice, there are no documented
> accounts in the TM movement of anyone actually floating in the airâ€`and yogic
> flyers are well aware that this is the case.
>  
> Unsubstantiated beliefs are not a stable foundation for life, because they
> constantly clash with reality. This leads to a defensive, "us vs. them"
> mentality that is fundamental to all political, ethnic and religious strife.
> According to the ancient Chinese text, the I Ching, "The healthy mind
> challenges its own assumptions." Examining one's assumptions and beliefs and
> revising or discarding them if necessary may not always be comfortable in
> the short run, but it results in a harmonious, secure, and far richer life.
>  
> As Bertrand Russell put it, "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but
> the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." Do we know absolutely
> that our beliefs are true, or do we hold them because our parents, our
> culture, our politicians, or our spiritual leaders told us we should? It
> might be liberating to step back and take a fresh look. So what if most of
> our certainties become mysteries. Ironically, this makes one more secure â€"
> not less â€" because one has less to defend. A childlike sense of wonder is
> much more fascinating than dogmatism. And as Jesus said, it's a prerequisite
> to entering the Kingdom of Heaven.




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[FairfieldLife] You do so much good

[akasha_108]

The more "in" you are, the more consolidated you are, in the very core 
of your Being, the center of your Being, the more you speak the 
language of the Existence. You do so much good; you do so many wonderful 
things around.

SSRS

One vote for spiritual maturity positively affection ones actions -- a
correlation between consciousness and virtue.

 






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[FairfieldLife] Faith Mind - Seng Tsan

[Jason Spock]

  
   
  
   
 Here is a Zen discourse by Era    
 
-OriginalMessage-
From:  "Era" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:04:00 - Subject: [MillionPaths] Faith Mind bt Zen master Seng-Tsan 
    
  FAITH MIND by Seng-Tsan the 3rd Zen Patriarch
 
The Great Way is not difficultfor those who have no preferences
 
When love and hate are both absenteverything becomes clear and undisguised
 
Make the smallest distinction howeverand heaven and earth are set infinitely apart
 
If you wish to see the truththen hold no opinions for or against anything
 
To set-up what you like against whatyou dislike is the disease of the mind
 
When the deep meaning of things is not understood the mind's essential peace is disturbed to no avail
 
The Way is perfect like vast spacewhere nothing is lacking and nothing is in excess Indeed, it is due to our choosing to accept or reject that we do not see the true nature of things
 
Live neither in the entanglements of outer things nor in the inner feelings of emptiness
 
Be serene in the Oneness of things and such erroneous views will disappear by themselves
 
When you try to stop activity to acheive passivity your very effort fills you with activity
 
As long as you remain in one extreme or the other you will never know Oneness
 
Those who do not live in the single Wayfail in both activity and passivity, assertion and denial
 
To deny the reality of things is to miss their reality; to assert the emptiness of things is to miss their reality
 
The more you talk and think about itthe further astray you wander from the truth
 
Stop talking and thinking and there is nothing you will not be able to know
 
To return to the root is to find the meaningbut to pursue appearance is to miss the source
 
At the moment of inner enlightenmentthere is a going beyond appearance and emptiness
 
The changes that appear to occur in the empty world we call real only because of our ignorance
 
Do not search for the truthonly cease to cherish opinions
 
Do not remain in a dualistic stateavoid such pursuits carefully
 
If there is even a trace of this and that, of right and wrong,the Mind-essence will be lost in confusion
 
Although all dualities come from the Onedo not be attached even to the One
 
When the mind exists undisturbed in the Waynothing in the world can offend
 
And when things can no longer offendit ceases to exist in the old way
 
When no discriminating thoughts arisethe old mind ceases to exist
 
When thought objects vanish, the thinking subject vanishes
as when the mind vanishes, objects vanish
Things are objects because of the subject (mind) the mind (subject) is such because of things (object)
 
Understand the relativity of these twoand the basic reality: the unity of emptiness
 
In this Emptiness the two are indistinguishableand each contains in itself the whole world
 
If you do not discriminate between coarse and fine you will not be tempted to prejudice and opinion
 
To live in the Great Way is neither easy nor difficult 
 
But those with limited views are fearful and irresolute
 
The faster they hurry, the slower they goand clinging (attachment) cannot be limited
 
Even to be attached to the idea of enlightenment is to go astray
 
Just let things be in their own wayand there will be neither coming nor going
 
Obey the nature of things (your own nature)and you will walk freely and undisturbed
 
When thought is in bondage the truth is hiddenfor everything is murky and unclear
 
And the burdensome practise of judgingbrings annoyance and weariness
 
What benefit can be derivedfrom distinctions and separations?
 
If you wish to move in the One Way,do not dislike even the world of senses and ideas Indeed, to accept them fullyis identical with true Enlightenment
 
The wise man strives to no goalsbut the foolish man fetters himself
 
There is one Dharma, not many;distinctions arise from the clinging needs of the ignorant
 
To seek Mind with the (discriminating) mindis the greatest of all mistakes
 
Rest and unrest derive from passion,with enlightenment there is no liking or disliking
 
All dualities come from ignorant inferencethey are like dreams or flowers in the airFoolish to try to grasp them
 
Gain and loss, right and wrong,such thoughts must finally be abolished at onceIf the eye never sleeps all dreams will naturally cease
 
If the mind makes no discriminationsthe ten thousand things are as they are - of single essence
 
To understand the mystery of this One essence
is to be released fro

[FairfieldLife] Re: You do so much good

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The more "in" you are, the more consolidated you are, in the very 
core 
> of your Being, the center of your Being, the more you speak the 
> language of the Existence. You do so much good; you do so many 
wonderful 
> things around.
> 
> SSRS
> 
> One vote for spiritual maturity positively affection ones actions -- 
a
> correlation between consciousness and virtue.

Agreed, but what about sex, drugs, and rock and roll?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 8/30/05 10:19:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> God damn  Kerry! 
> 
> --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
> 
> > The Bush legacy?
> 
> 
> 
> Na, more like a Vicente Fox legacy.  I would be  interested to 
know what 
> percent of that 12.7 are illegals come here to take our  minimum 
wage and 
> higher  jobs, and live off of our charity and welfare  system.


Dunno about welfare system (but it sucks here in Tucson, trust me), 
but a lot of American citizens work for minimum wage jobs here in 
Southern Arizona. The illegals are working for less-than minimum wage 
here.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> > Yeah!!  Amen !! We don't need no commie kindness. Bush is dealing 
with
> > those uppity  13% poor folks just fine.  But what about that Pink
> > Arizona kicking  Saint Ann out. Do you think we ought'a invade
> Tucson and stop them damn  godless insurgents, out "there" in 
Arizona
> , before  we have to fight them  here at home? 
> 
> > :)
> 
> Huh?
> 
> 
> --- 
> Come on boy -- Wake up and smell the coffee. We got an insurgency
>  taking place in one of the red states -- even if its in the 
boonies.
> 

Tucson may be an overgrown hick town, but the valley has well over 1 
million people living here now. It ain't the boonies any more.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub - Kirk

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> Erin¹s from that area, so maybe they¹re staying with relatives? 
They are not
> allowing people back in until Monday and 80% of the city is flooded.
> 
> I just heard from a friend living in the French Quarter and he was 
fine
> other than a skylight that blew out. The French Quarter is not 
flooded and
> the winds dried everything out!

There's slow flooding taking place due to a failed levee or levees 
and the fact the pumps aren't working.

> 
> 
> On 8/30/05 11:40 AM, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I just tried calling him, but I got a recorded message saying it 
wasn¹t
> > possible to call that area due to the hurricane.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now 
> > Dixon --
> > > this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to 
> > stop!!.  
> > > Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop him
> > > before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> > > 
> > > :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years has 
been 
> > offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.
> 
> The horror! The unmitigated Evil!

Castro has his own problems, not the least of which is a long-term 
paranoia about an invasion. For some reason, he thinks the US 
military is out to get him...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spi

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/30/05 1:19 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In 
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> TorguoiseB writes:
> >> As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether
> >> folks here have favorite films that they consider
> >> spiritual.
> >> 
> >> Tom T:
> >> Pleasantville!. It even has a MMY like character who gets upset 
when
> >> the main character falls out of character and goes it alone. Very
> >> funny if you have been in the movement a long time.
> > 
> > Excellent recommendation.  Thanks to you guys, my list
> > now contains over 300 films, some of which will be
> > undoubtedly discarded as I have to wade through review-
> > ing them all, some of which will stick around.
> 
> When you have a chance to review and see them, let us know the best 
of the
> best.

One I forgot to mention: Flesh Gordon, the silliest x-rated movie 
ever made.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Remember that the so-called "poverty rate" is a relative statistical 
> comparison measurement that has absolutely nothing to do with the 
> actual measurement of real poverty.
> 
> If there was such a measurement, real poverty would be somewhere 
> around zero in the United States.
> 
> 

Not really. There's plenty of homeless in this country, many of whom 
are NOT making a good living panhandling.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now 
> > > Dixon --
> > > > this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got 
to 
> > > stop!!.  
> > > > Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! Stop 
> him
> > > > before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> > > > 
> > > > :)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years has 
> been 
> > > offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.
> > 
> > The horror! The unmitigated Evil!
> 
> 
> Actually, it is.
> 
> Aside from being silly propaganda schtick, it is the kind of 
> economic policies of wealth distribution promoted by Castro that 
has 
> done untold damage to the poor people of the world, NOT helped them.


ALL taxes are a form of "wealth distribution." Are you saying that we 
should have a zero percent tax on everything?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: You do so much good

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The more "in" you are, the more consolidated you are, in the very 
> core 
> > of your Being, the center of your Being, the more you speak the 
> > language of the Existence. You do so much good; you do so many 
> wonderful 
> > things around.
> > 
> > SSRS
> > 
> > One vote for spiritual maturity positively affection ones actions -- 
> a
> > correlation between consciousness and virtue.
> 
> Agreed, but what about sex, drugs, and rock and roll?

Well, as Jim Morrison said, sometime after the Lizard King period in
the desert, sometime before the Miami "nothing to hide incident, on
stage",

"I spent some time in the Universal Mind. I was feeling fine."

And as Mike Love sang  .. . "we'll have Fun, Fun, Fun till her daddy
takes the T-bird away."  

(This actually is an allusion to Purusha swallowing the phoenix of
maya, stretched out on the mystic T (cross) of illusion.)










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 8/30/05 11:21:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That 
  commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now Dixon 
  --> this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to 
  stop!!.  > Whats he going to do next? Offer free 
  education???! Stop him> before this kind  of evil sharing 
  spreads!!!> > :)Actually, Chavez is taking a 
  page from Castro who for years has been offering to doctors to Harlem to 
  provide free medical care.

Is Chavez going to refine and distribute it 
also?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: You do so much good

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wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > The more "in" you are, the more consolidated you are, in the very 
> > core of your Being, the center of your Being, the more you speak 
> > the language of the Existence. You do so much good; you do so many 
> > wonderful things around.
> > 
> > SSRS
> > 
> > One vote for spiritual maturity positively affection ones
> > actions -- a correlation between consciousness and virtue.
> 
> Agreed, but what about sex, drugs, and rock and roll?

And don't forget the big breasts.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: You do so much good

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > The more "in" you are, the more consolidated you are, in the very 
> > > core of your Being, the center of your Being, the more you speak 
> > > the language of the Existence. You do so much good; you do so many 
> > > wonderful things around.
> > > 
> > > SSRS
> > > 
> > > One vote for spiritual maturity positively affection ones
> > > actions -- a correlation between consciousness and virtue.
> > 
> > Agreed, but what about sex, drugs, and rock and roll?
> 
> And don't forget the big breasts.

Jimi, Jim and Mike really liked them too.

 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ruby Slippers/Heisted from Minnesota Museum.'

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> Fox News reported today, that the Ruby Slippers, that Dorothy wore 
in the "The Wizard of Oz";
>  
> Has been stolen, from a Minnesota Museum.
>  
> No further details available at this time.


>From this posting

Of yours, Robert

We must conclude

It is a slow news day...




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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Vedic Pickled Herring Program™ for immortality

[shempmcgurk]

World's Oldest Person Dies in Netherlands
Aug 30 11:56 AM US/Eastern
   

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands


A woman listed as the world's oldest person died Tuesday at age 115, 
according to the director of the home for the elderly where she 
lived. 

Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper died peacefully in her sleep, according 
to the home's director, Johan Beijering. 

"She was very clear mentally right up to the end, but the physical 
ailments were increasing," Beijering said. "She said, 'It's been 
nice, but the man upstairs says it's time to go.'" 

Known as "Henny," she lived in Hoogeveen since World War II, moving 
to the Westerkim elderly home when she was 106. 

A fan of the soccer club Ajax, she was born in 1890 and celebrated 
her 115th birthday on June 29. Her status as "oldest person" was 
recognized by Guinness Book of World Records last year. 

She advised others who wanted a long life to "keep breathing" and 
eat pickled herring, a favorite Dutch snack. 

She had no children or immediate family and her husband, Dick van 
Andel, died of cancer in 1959. Beijering said her closest living 
relative was a nephew who lives in Spain. 

"She wanted me to tell everybody that she enjoyed the attention, the 
friends, and the good care she had," Beijering said "She felt that 
being the oldest person in the world for more than a year was long 
enough." 

Guinness spokesman Sam Knights said the oldest authenticated person 
now is Elizabeth Bolden, 115, of Memphis, Tenn., born Aug. 15, 1890. 
The oldest man is Emiliano Mercado del Toro, 114, of Puerto Rico. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > I understand your point. But then I guess that you then 
personally
> > > have no problem in living a comfortable and fulfilling life at 
the 
> > US
> > > "poverty level".
> 
> Which for a single person (I am gussing you are single)  is $8501
> (well thats 1999 but inflation has been low since then so its in 
that
> neighborhood).
> 
> So, you are living on less than $9000/year -- without dipping into
> savings, without barter, without spending substantial amounts of 
time
> growing your own food or building your own housing, (which should 
be
> moneterized if we are comparing to employed persons at poverty 
level)?



Sorry, didn't mean to give the impression I am currently at that 
level but, yes, I have been quite comfortably below the so-called 
poverty level at times in my life.





> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, you are absolutely correct.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I would guess that you donate all your income above
> > > that level. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Millions of Americans already do: it's called PAYING TAXES.
> 
> 
> Families of four making up to $40,000 or so don't pay taxes -- 
which
> is way above the 17,000 family of four poverty level.  A family of
> four making $40k even 50k+ is not paying $23-33k intaxes. Your 
quip is
> more than vaccuous.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

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wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
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> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > I understand your point. But then I guess that you then 
personally
> > > have no problem in living a comfortable and fulfilling life at 
the 
> > US
> > > "poverty level".
> 
> Which for a single person (I am gussing you are single)  is $8501
> (well thats 1999 but inflation has been low since then so its in 
that
> neighborhood).
> 
> So, you are living on less than $9000/year -- without dipping into
> savings, without barter, without spending substantial amounts of 
time
> growing your own food or building your own housing, (which should 
be
> moneterized if we are comparing to employed persons at poverty 
level)?



I didn't mean to give the impression I'm at that level now although 
I have been under the poverty level in the past and have lived quite 
comfortably.






> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, you are absolutely correct.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I would guess that you donate all your income above
> > > that level. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Millions of Americans already do: it's called PAYING TAXES.
> 
> 
> Families of four making up to $40,000 or so don't pay taxes -- 
which
> is way above the 17,000 family of four poverty level.  A family of
> four making $40k even 50k+ is not paying $23-33k intaxes. Your 
quip is
> more than vaccuous.


I misunderstood your comment about donating...I thought it was a 
reference to redistribution of income.

Of course a family of 4 making about $40,000 doesn't may 23-33k in 
taxes.




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[FairfieldLife] Price gouging evacuees

[MDixon6569]

Indian Family owning a Comfort Inn in Houston busted for price 
gouging Louisiana evacuees. They were charging 199.00 a night per room. The 
excuse was to "keep the riff raff out"(blacks).  
WWMD?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Price gouging evacuees

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> Louisiana evacuees. They were charging 199.00 a
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[FairfieldLife] The other side of the coin

[Rick Archer]

Title: The other side of the coin





Powerful and disturbing images:

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Remember that the so-called "poverty rate" is a relative 
statistical 
> > comparison measurement that has absolutely nothing to do with the 
> > actual measurement of real poverty.
> > 
> > If there was such a measurement, real poverty would be somewhere 
> > around zero in the United States.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Not really. There's plenty of homeless in this country, many of whom 
> are NOT making a good living panhandling.

They are homeless by choice.

Please respect their choice.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you 
now 
> > > > Dixon --
> > > > > this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has 
got to 
> > > > stop!!.  
> > > > > Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! 
Stop 
> > him
> > > > > before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> > > > > 
> > > > > :)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years 
has 
> > been 
> > > > offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.
> > > 
> > > The horror! The unmitigated Evil!
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, it is.
> > 
> > Aside from being silly propaganda schtick, it is the kind of 
> > economic policies of wealth distribution promoted by Castro that 
has 
> > done untold damage to the poor people of the world, NOT helped 
them.
> 
> Yes universal health care and free eductation has been the evil 
that
> has caused untold damage to the people of the world




...and why, pray tell, do you think that it was the universal health 
care and free education policies of Castro that I was referring to?



> --throughout
> Canada, Europe, much of Asia. I am with you Shemp. This commie evil
> plot of universal healthcare and free education needs to be stopped
> NOW! I just wish Bush were not such a commie pussy for providing
> prescription drug  coverage for seniors, and spending OUR tax 
money on
> education. Its a dangerours trend. Its a clear and present threat 
to
> the Republic!
> 
> :)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > That commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you 
now 
> > > > Dixon --
> > > > > this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has 
got 
> to 
> > > > stop!!.  
> > > > > Whats he going to do next? Offer free education???! 
Stop 
> > him
> > > > > before this kind  of evil sharing spreads!!!
> > > > > 
> > > > > :)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, Chavez is taking a page from Castro who for years 
has 
> > been 
> > > > offering to doctors to Harlem to provide free medical care.
> > > 
> > > The horror! The unmitigated Evil!
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, it is.
> > 
> > Aside from being silly propaganda schtick, it is the kind of 
> > economic policies of wealth distribution promoted by Castro that 
> has 
> > done untold damage to the poor people of the world, NOT helped 
them.
> 
> 
> ALL taxes are a form of "wealth distribution." Are you saying that 
we 
> should have a zero percent tax on everything?


"Zero percent tax on everything"...are you referring to a VAT?  
Because we have very limited VAT in the U.S. today (usually imposed 
on the local or state levels and on limited goods and services)...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: You do so much good

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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > The more "in" you are, the more consolidated you are, in the 
very 
> > > core of your Being, the center of your Being, the more you 
speak 
> > > the language of the Existence. You do so much good; you do so 
many 
> > > wonderful things around.
> > > 
> > > SSRS
> > > 
> > > One vote for spiritual maturity positively affection ones
> > > actions -- a correlation between consciousness and virtue.
> > 
> > Agreed, but what about sex, drugs, and rock and roll?
> 
> And don't forget the big breasts.


Glad to see you're on the program, Judy.

Myself, I like small, natural breasts.




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[FairfieldLife] London Housing Prices Decline for 14th Straight Month

[akasha_108]

http://www.abcmoney.co.uk/news/292005790.htm

In the pastdecade, London experienced higher appreciation of home
prices than most areas of the US. Now the air seems to be seeping out
of the bubble. 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 8/30/05 1:04:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dunno 
  about welfare system (but it sucks here in Tucson, trust me), but a lot of 
  American citizens work for minimum wage jobs here in Southern Arizona. The 
  illegals are working for less-than minimum wage 
here.

I think they do everywhere and work up to better paying jobs. 
They must because they are buying houses now.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Price gouging evacuees

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Indian Family owning a Comfort Inn in Houston busted
> > for price  gouging 
> > Louisiana evacuees. They were charging 199.00 a
> > night per room. The  excuse was to 
> > "keep the riff raff out"(blacks).   WWMD?
> 
> No, the TMO recerts!



Great movie about the tensions and relationships between East 
Indians and African-Americans in the U.S. South is "Mississippi 
Masala", starring Denzel Washington...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Powerful and disturbing images:
> 
> http://www.ekincaglar.com/coin/flash.html



Gee, I guess the way to help the people in this film clip is to do the 
kinds of things that akasha's friends Fidel and Chavez are 
doing...cause we all know they are the real friends of the poor of the 
world and their form of wealth distribution has been proven to be so 
helpful to the poor and downtrodden of the world...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Powerful and disturbing images:
> > 
> > http://www.ekincaglar.com/coin/flash.html
> 
> 
> 
> Gee, I guess the way to help the people in this film clip is to do the 
> kinds of things that akasha's friends Fidel and Chavez 


good misrepresentation. 

Actually I am a free market oriented social libertarian sort of guy. 
I just don't see the huge sins that Chavez has done. He stood up oil
companies wanting terms chavez felt were not in his countries best
interests. He has promoted education and health in his country with
oil profits. He has tried to break down social barriers to
advancement. he's probably done some dumb things too.

The only thing I have said about castro, via satire of your comments,
 is that his support of free education, and of universal  health care
does not seem so out of line with western mainstream thinking. I am
not at all a fan of other things that he has done, but education and
health is one area that I have heard he has done relatively well.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 8/30/05 1:04:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Dunno  about welfare system (but it sucks here in Tucson, trust me), 
> but a lot of  American citizens work for minimum wage jobs here in 
> Southern Arizona. The  illegals are working for less-than minimum 
wage  
> here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think they do everywhere and work up to better paying jobs.  They 
must 
> because they are buying houses now.

As well they should. I have been alternately incensed and amused by 
the so called illegal alien issue for years. (these days, amused...) 

Here we are in the U.S., loudly proclaiming capitalism to be our 
economic system of choice, i.e. cheaper production with higher prices, 
equals bigger profits. And just across our border, we have millions of 
people willing to come here and work very cheaply (equals bigger 
profits).

So the trumpeting against 'illegal aliens' is really just a sham by 
the Republicans, and the Democrats too, though the Republicans and 
their backers really, really like the cheap labor...

This game has been going on for years. Like many politically unpopular 
services to the rich, the defacto encouragement for illegal aliens 
cannot possibly be stated openly to, and accepted by, the majority of 
voters, so the president and those in power keep assuring us that they 
are 'tackling the problem', while letting increasing numbers of 
illegal aliens in.

After all, the burden is not borne by the rich. It is the middle class 
whose taxes go up, and whose services are compromised.

'Illegal aliens', my foot. If there was the political will to stop 
them, it would happen tomorrow.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Venezuela to sell cut-price heating oil to U.S. poor

[Bhairitu]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
>In a message dated 8/30/05 11:21:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>That  commie bastard!!!  With this news, I am all with you now 
>Dixon  --
>  
>
>>this kind of horrendous Castro-inspired commie crap has got to  
>>
>>
>stop!!.  
>  
>
>>Whats he going to do next? Offer free  education???! Stop him
>>before this kind  of evil sharing  spreads!!!
>>
>>:)
>>
>>
>
>
>
>Actually, Chavez is taking a  page from Castro who for years has been 
>offering to doctors to Harlem to  provide free medical care.
>
>
>
>
>Is Chavez going to refine and distribute it  also?
>
>  
>
Buy your gas and Citgo (over 13,000 stations in the US).  Viva la 
revolution!!! :)



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > Powerful and disturbing images:
> > > 
> > > http://www.ekincaglar.com/coin/flash.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gee, I guess the way to help the people in this film clip is to 
do the 
> > kinds of things that akasha's friends Fidel and Chavez 
> 
> 
> good misrepresentation. 
> 
> Actually I am a free market oriented social libertarian sort of 
guy. 
> I just don't see the huge sins that Chavez has done. He stood up 
oil
> companies wanting terms chavez felt were not in his countries best
> interests. He has promoted education and health in his country with
> oil profits. He has tried to break down social barriers to
> advancement. he's probably done some dumb things too.
> 
> The only thing I have said about castro, via satire of your 
comments,
>  is that his support of free education, and of universal  health 
care
> does not seem so out of line with western mainstream thinking. I am
> not at all a fan of other things that he has done, but education 
and
> health is one area that I have heard he has done relatively well.


You've heard wrong.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Gee, I guess the way to help the people in this film clip is to 
> do the 
> > > kinds of things that akasha's friends Fidel and Chavez 
> > 
> > 
> > good misrepresentation. 
> > 
> > Actually I am a free market oriented social libertarian sort of 
> guy. 
> > I just don't see the huge sins that Chavez has done. He stood up 
> oil companies wanting terms chavez felt were not in his countries
best interests. He has promoted education and health in his country
with oil profits. He has tried to break down social barriers to
 advancement. he's probably done some dumb things too.
> > 
> > The only thing I have said about castro, via satire of your 
> comments, is that his support of free education, and of universal 
health care does not seem so out of line with western mainstream
thinking. I am not at all a fan of other things that he has done, but
education and health is one area that I have heard he has done
relatively well.
> 
> 
> You've heard wrong.

You make a strong and compelling argument. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 8/30/05 1:04:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Dunno  about welfare system (but it sucks here in Tucson, trust me), 
> but a lot of  American citizens work for minimum wage jobs here in 
> Southern Arizona. The  illegals are working for less-than minimum 
wage  
> here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think they do everywhere and work up to better paying jobs.  They 
must 
> because they are buying houses now.

Really? Where?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty Rate Rises 4th Year in a Row to 12.7 Percent

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > Remember that the so-called "poverty rate" is a relative 
> statistical 
> > > comparison measurement that has absolutely nothing to do with 
the 
> > > actual measurement of real poverty.
> > > 
> > > If there was such a measurement, real poverty would be 
somewhere 
> > > around zero in the United States.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Not really. There's plenty of homeless in this country, many of 
whom 
> > are NOT making a good living panhandling.
> 
> They are homeless by choice.
> 
> Please respect their choice.

Cough.





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[FairfieldLife] 'American's/"Shocked & Awed by Hurricane Katrina...'

[Robert Gimbel]

'Instant Karma's" gonna git you;
 
gonna smack yoou right in the face;
 
better recognize your(love) your brother,
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: London Housing Prices Decline for 14th Straight Month

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.abcmoney.co.uk/news/292005790.htm
> 
> In the pastdecade, London experienced higher appreciation of home
> prices than most areas of the US. Now the air seems to be seeping out
> of the bubble.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 I am not at all a fan of other things that he has done, but education 
> and health is one area that I have heard he has done relatively well.
> 
> 
> You've heard wrong.

"Relatively well" refers to comparision with Castro's other
initiatives. I was under the impression that his health  and education
policies, while perhaps deficient in an absolute sense, were better,
more effective than his other programs. 

Cuba ranks 55th in life expectance out of 226 countries. Given
statistical error, its about a dead heat with the US at 48th. Of
course the US is beaten by counties such as Greece, Spain, Puerto
Rico, Hong Kong, and Malta.  So you seem be indicating that While you
feel Cuba has failed in its health policies, so than has the US. 
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

You imply that, relativly speaking, other of his programs were more
effective (since in relative terms his health and eductation programs
arelowratedcomparedtohis other programs). That would imply that some
of his other programs are as effective or more so than those in the
US. What programs were these? 

In terms of literacy, out of 67 rankings (many more countries -- due
to lots of ties) Cuba is tied for 7th place (94%), compared to the US
at 4th place at 97%. Of course the US is bested by Poland, Russia,
Jamacia, Hungary, and Tonga. So we probably have a lot to learn  from
those coutries. 

It appears that you feel the 3% difference between the US and Cuba
representsa dismal failure of Cuba. I wouldn't be so harsh. They  did
better than Mexico, Greece and Hong Kong. 

http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/rankings/literacy_pct_1.html






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > Gee, I guess the way to help the people in this film clip is 
to 
> > do the 
> > > > kinds of things that akasha's friends Fidel and Chavez 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > good misrepresentation. 
> > > 
> > > Actually I am a free market oriented social libertarian sort 
of 
> > guy. 
> > > I just don't see the huge sins that Chavez has done. He stood 
up 
> > oil companies wanting terms chavez felt were not in his countries
> best interests. He has promoted education and health in his country
> with oil profits. He has tried to break down social barriers to
>  advancement. he's probably done some dumb things too.
> > > 
> > > The only thing I have said about castro, via satire of your 
> > comments, is that his support of free education, and of 
universal 
> health care does not seem so out of line with western mainstream
> thinking. I am not at all a fan of other things that he has done, 
but
> education and health is one area that I have heard he has done
> relatively well.
> > 
> > 
> > You've heard wrong.
> 
> You make a strong and compelling argument.

I don't have to.

Above, you write that you are a "free market oriented social 
libertarian", so you should know all the points to counter what you 
said yourself.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  I am not at all a fan of other things that he has done, but 
education 
> > and health is one area that I have heard he has done relatively 
well.
> > 
> > 
> > You've heard wrong.
> 
> "Relatively well" refers to comparision with Castro's other
> initiatives. I was under the impression that his health  and 
education
> policies, while perhaps deficient in an absolute sense, were 
better,
> more effective than his other programs. 



Two issues:

1) Education; and

2) Health care.

We can immediately do away with education.  In the totalitarian 
regime that Castro's communist dictatorshi oversees, there is no 
freedom of expression, thought, or press.  This extends to the 
universities and schools.  Therefore, we can all agree that without 
that very basic freedom, education -- no matter how many PhD's or 
doctors Cuba puts out -- is on the very lowest levels.

Health care.  Your life expectancy figures are skewered for one very 
important reason: abortion is used as a means of contraception in 
Cuba and is very frequently used.  This will greatly increase life 
expectancy amongst those that get to be born.

As for health care, up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba got 
about $10 billion a year in aid from the USSR.  This artificial 
boost to the economy (used as propaganda in the western hemisphere) 
was used to aid areas that Cuba couldn't by itself tend to, such as 
health care.  Once the USSR stopped its subsidies, Cuba experienced 
a dramatic fall in health care and basic nutritional levels (Castro, 
of course, continued to eat like the multi-billionaire he is).

Ironically, it was the allowing of U.S. dollars to flow to Cubans by 
their U.S. relatives AND the opening up of limited capitalism (much 
of it tourism) that saved Castro's butt.





> 
> Cuba ranks 55th in life expectance out of 226 countries. Given
> statistical error, its about a dead heat with the US at 48th. Of
> course the US is beaten by counties such as Greece, Spain, Puerto
> Rico, Hong Kong, and Malta.  So you seem be indicating that While 
you
> feel Cuba has failed in its health policies, so than has the US. 
> 
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
> 
> You imply that, relativly speaking, other of his programs were more
> effective (since in relative terms his health and eductation 
programs
> arelowratedcomparedtohis other programs). That would imply that 
some
> of his other programs are as effective or more so than those in the
> US. What programs were these? 
> 
> In terms of literacy, out of 67 rankings (many more countries -- 
due
> to lots of ties) Cuba is tied for 7th place (94%), compared to the 
US
> at 4th place at 97%. Of course the US is bested by Poland, Russia,
> Jamacia, Hungary, and Tonga. So we probably have a lot to learn  
from
> those coutries. 
> 
> It appears that you feel the 3% difference between the US and Cuba
> representsa dismal failure of Cuba. I wouldn't be so harsh. They  
did
> better than Mexico, Greece and Hong Kong. 
> 
> http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/rankings/literacy_pct_1.html


Go compare Cuba's situation relative to the rest of Latin America to 
their position today.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Gee, I guess the way to help the people in this film clip is 
> to 
> > > do the 
> > > > > kinds of things that akasha's friends Fidel and Chavez 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > good misrepresentation. 
> > > > 
> > > > Actually I am a free market oriented social libertarian sort 
> of 
> > > guy. 
> > > > I just don't see the huge sins that Chavez has done. He stood 
> up 
> > > oil companies wanting terms chavez felt were not in his countries
> > best interests. He has promoted education and health in his country
> > with oil profits. He has tried to break down social barriers to
> >  advancement. he's probably done some dumb things too.
> > > > 
> > > > The only thing I have said about castro, via satire of your 
> > > comments, is that his support of free education, and of 
> universal 
> > health care does not seem so out of line with western mainstream
> > thinking. I am not at all a fan of other things that he has done, 
> but
> > education and health is one area that I have heard he has done
> > relatively well.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You've heard wrong.
> > 
> > You make a strong and compelling argument.
> 
> I don't have to.
> 
> Above, you write that you are a "free market oriented social 
> libertarian", so you should know all the points to counter what you 
> said yourself.

The point in contention is the effectiveness of Cuba's health and
education programs. I have substantiated that, and countered your
empty claims, with facts. most of all, I beleive in a rational,
fact-based approach to policy.

With regards to Chavez, I believe in the sovergnty ofother countries.
I dn't believe the US has a right to intervene if we disagree with
their social policies. You perhaps do. If so that would makes you more
in the imperialist camp -- a position I strongly disagree with.  

But in post after post, you bad mouth Chavez, without actually stating
any examples of the policies of his that you disagree with. Hopefully
 from the perspective of his country -- why he is wrongisdoing what he
thinks is good for his country.  Name 5. I doubt you are aware of
such, that your objections are just empty rhetoric. But I would love
to have you prove me wrong and have you provide some actual substance
 into this rapidly ending diologue. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The other side of the coin

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >  I am not at all a fan of other things that he has done, but 
> education 
> > > and health is one area that I have heard he has done relatively 
> well.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You've heard wrong.
> > 
> > "Relatively well" refers to comparision with Castro's other
> > initiatives. I was under the impression that his health  and 
> education
> > policies, while perhaps deficient in an absolute sense, were 
> better,
> > more effective than his other programs. 
> 
> 
> 
> Two issues:
> 
> 1) Education; and
> 
> 2) Health care.
> 
> We can immediately do away with education.  In the totalitarian 
> regime that Castro's communist dictatorshi oversees, there is no 
> freedom of expression, thought, or press.  This extends to the 
> universities and schools.  Therefore, we can all agree that without 
> that very basic freedom, education -- no matter how many PhD's or 
> doctors Cuba puts out -- is on the very lowest levels.
> 
> Health care.  Your life expectancy figures are skewered for one very 
> important reason: abortion is used as a means of contraception in 
> Cuba and is very frequently used.  This will greatly increase life 
> expectancy amongst those that get to be born.
> 
> As for health care, up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba got 
> about $10 billion a year in aid from the USSR.  This artificial 
> boost to the economy (used as propaganda in the western hemisphere) 
> was used to aid areas that Cuba couldn't by itself tend to, such as 
> health care.  Once the USSR stopped its subsidies, Cuba experienced 
> a dramatic fall in health care and basic nutritional levels (Castro, 
> of course, continued to eat like the multi-billionaire he is).
> 
> Ironically, it was the allowing of U.S. dollars to flow to Cubans by 
> their U.S. relatives AND the opening up of limited capitalism (much 
> of it tourism) that saved Castro's butt.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Cuba ranks 55th in life expectance out of 226 countries. Given
> > statistical error, its about a dead heat with the US at 48th. Of
> > course the US is beaten by counties such as Greece, Spain, Puerto
> > Rico, Hong Kong, and Malta.  So you seem be indicating that While 
> you
> > feel Cuba has failed in its health policies, so than has the US. 
> > 
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
> > 
> > You imply that, relativly speaking, other of his programs were more
> > effective (since in relative terms his health and eductation 
> programs
> > arelowratedcomparedtohis other programs). That would imply that 
> some
> > of his other programs are as effective or more so than those in the
> > US. What programs were these? 
> > 
> > In terms of literacy, out of 67 rankings (many more countries -- 
> due
> > to lots of ties) Cuba is tied for 7th place (94%), compared to the 
> US
> > at 4th place at 97%. Of course the US is bested by Poland, Russia,
> > Jamacia, Hungary, and Tonga. So we probably have a lot to learn  
> from
> > those coutries. 
> > 
> > It appears that you feel the 3% difference between the US and Cuba
> > representsa dismal failure of Cuba. I wouldn't be so harsh. They  
> did
> > better than Mexico, Greece and Hong Kong. 
> > 
> > http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/rankings/literacy_pct_1.html
> 
> 
> Go compare Cuba's situation relative to the rest of Latin America to 
> their position today.


Why don't you, instead of throwing out vauge arguements. 






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[FairfieldLife] Evacuation

[Rick Archer]

Title: Evacuation





The Governor of Louisiana just announced that all of New Orleans must be evacuated. Look out Vermont, Llundrub may leave there soon too.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'American's/"Shocked & Awed by Hurricane Katrina...'

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 8/30/05 3:07:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  'Instant Karma's" gonna git you;
   
  gonna smack yoou right in the face;
   
  better recognize your(love) your brother,
   
  before it's too late.
   
  J.Lennon  1969

Yeah, looks like brother John got smacked in the face 
also.





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