[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Amrit Kana, from which many of the quotations of Guru Dev come, was actually compiled by MMY. It is therefore his choice of quotations and is not necessarilly biased to any particular faith or persuasion. It is possible of course that he muted his fervour for things Hindu whilst speaking to those of other faiths. But that is what MMY did with regard to the 'gods' of the mantras, though it didn't stop him talking about them in private. So it is a double message, once you get hooked into the practice we will tell you about the Shastras later! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard MMY say (or perhaps Charlie or Jerry say that MMY said) that all faiths would come to SBS for blessings and instructions. And being a sat-guru, world teacher, he could teach anyone in a way that was consistent with their faith and would help them. Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists all came to him and got upliftment and methods they could use. In that context, I assume most of the lectures you have are to devout hindus. So he extolls hindu shastras. In giving advice and techniques to christians and muslims, presumably he focused on their path. And if we are to believe conventional wisdom (tales from MMY), SBS gave MMY a path for householders -- world wide. Presumably this was not the mainstream things he taught his monks to do, nor devout hindu audiences. As a world teacher, it would be natural for him to have many messages for many paths, pehaps for many mountains. (Process = Product). Do your researches indicate any of this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/2/06 5:51 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have produced a resource of a set of webpages offering most of the known material of Guru Dev and have offered up translation of recently discovered texts at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm But, with the exception of the 'OM' debate, it has stimulated very little response here on FFL. It would be interesting to hear some of the issues discussed here. Perhaps, That's the way to do it. Whether or not anyone takes you up on this offer, perhaps you could give us links or paste text of some points that you consider most fascinating. That might get some discussion going. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Yes, I have a similar take on this, but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. Well it might interest FFLers to check the biographical profile of the author, but really!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. Would Guru Dev have disagreed that consciousness is the ultimate source of knowledge? I have trouble believing that he would have. Perhaps what he was doing by emphasizing the shastras was giving his students/followers something to live by *until* they could depend on consciousness for knowledge. And if that's what he was telling them, he would have to live by the shastras' rules himself, would he not, to set an example? MMY actually does somewhat the same thing, by giving some general behavioral recommendations and then telling TMers to follow the scriptures of their religion, and/or the laws of the land, and/or the advice of their elders, if they are in doubt about the right thing to do. He doesn't specify a particular set of scriptures or laws because he wants to reach people of all religions (and no religion) and all nations. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. On the other hand, I would suspect that once one attains complete inner freedom, having to follow external laws and rules isn't much of a pinch. Presumably we want to become enlightened not so we can be free of rules, but so rules can no longer impinge on our sense of freedom, which has become absolute and infinite. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Who is the author? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. Well it might interest FFLers to check the biographical profile of the author, but really!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. Would Guru Dev have disagreed that consciousness is the ultimate source of knowledge? I have trouble believing that he would have. Perhaps what he was doing by emphasizing the shastras was giving his students/followers something to live by *until* they could depend on consciousness for knowledge. And if that's what he was telling them, he would have to live by the shastras' rules himself, would he not, to set an example? MMY actually does somewhat the same thing, by giving some general behavioral recommendations and then telling TMers to follow the scriptures of their religion, and/or the laws of the land, and/or the advice of their elders, if they are in doubt about the right thing to do. He doesn't specify a particular set of scriptures or laws because he wants to reach people of all religions (and no religion) and all nations. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. On the other hand, I would suspect that once one attains complete inner freedom, having to follow external laws and rules isn't much of a pinch. Presumably we want to become enlightened not so we can be free of rules, but so rules can no longer impinge on our sense of freedom, which has become absolute and infinite. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev, the model of enlightenment (was: far more quality posts now.
Whilst speaking about meditation MMY has usually made sure to position a picture of Guru Dev behind him . Also, when speaking about Guru Dev himself he always held him to be a shining example of spirituality and completeness. So for TMers, Guru Dev represents the model of spiritual attainment - enlightenment. Whilst there are other models in other traditions, in the world of TM Guru Dev is the primary example. I don't know about the rest of you, but I got a series of shocks when I came to read of Guru Dev's lifestory and teachings. I had envisaged someone whose teachings would be light, optimistic, yogic and bright. Instead, I read in his teachings one steeped in the Hindu teachings which many of us would have associated with the Middle Ages rather than a man of enlightenment. Be that as it may, he is the example that has been offered by MMY, and therefore deserves close consideration. Clearly, there is an undercurrent of humour and light pervading the teachings. But I am still concerned that enlightenment as portrayed by him seems so against freedom of thought and action. It appears that MMY too had reservations about his attitude to fatalism. I quote from a biographical sketch he wrote in 1955, two years after Guru Dev's passing:- 'He for himself would allow things to go on as they are ordained by the hand of destiny, but His devotees have many a time changed the course of fate of themselves and of the people.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Chanakya is the man of the Shastras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is the author? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. Well it might interest FFLers to check the biographical profile of the author, but really!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. Would Guru Dev have disagreed that consciousness is the ultimate source of knowledge? I have trouble believing that he would have. Perhaps what he was doing by emphasizing the shastras was giving his students/followers something to live by *until* they could depend on consciousness for knowledge. And if that's what he was telling them, he would have to live by the shastras' rules himself, would he not, to set an example? MMY actually does somewhat the same thing, by giving some general behavioral recommendations and then telling TMers to follow the scriptures of their religion, and/or the laws of the land, and/or the advice of their elders, if they are in doubt about the right thing to do. He doesn't specify a particular set of scriptures or laws because he wants to reach people of all religions (and no religion) and all nations. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. On the other hand, I would suspect that once one attains complete inner freedom, having to follow external laws and rules isn't much of a pinch. Presumably we want to become enlightened not so we can be free of rules, but so rules can no longer impinge on our sense of freedom, which has become absolute and infinite. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev, the model of enlightenment (was: far more quality posts now.
On Feb 3, 2006, at 5:20 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I got a series of shocks when I came to read of Guru Dev's lifestory and teachings. I had envisaged someone whose teachings would be light, optimistic, yogic and bright. Instead, I read in his teachings one steeped in the Hindu teachings which many of us would have associated with the Middle Ages rather than a man of enlightenment. I see a set of teachings which are framed and intended for dissemination inside the tradition of Shankara and therefore typical of Shankaracharya tradition. If we accept that SBS was a Sri Vidya adept, the notable thing I notice was the public teaching was typical of Shank-style teachings and did not contain any Sri Vidya teachings whatsoever. One wonders if this is the reason for the reluctance in taking the post in the first place: a post which requires you to talk from a certain angle, in a certain vein and espouse the view of a school. His rendering of Advaita Vedanta seems very traditional. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, But you said you thought Guru Dev's take was entirely contrary to that of MMY. I was suggesting it wasn't that different. but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. Did that view of the author also come from a book, or was it intuitive on Guru Dev's part, do you think? Well it might interest FFLers to check the biographical profile of the author, but really!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. Would Guru Dev have disagreed that consciousness is the ultimate source of knowledge? I have trouble believing that he would have. Perhaps what he was doing by emphasizing the shastras was giving his students/followers something to live by *until* they could depend on consciousness for knowledge. And if that's what he was telling them, he would have to live by the shastras' rules himself, would he not, to set an example? MMY actually does somewhat the same thing, by giving some general behavioral recommendations and then telling TMers to follow the scriptures of their religion, and/or the laws of the land, and/or the advice of their elders, if they are in doubt about the right thing to do. He doesn't specify a particular set of scriptures or laws because he wants to reach people of all religions (and no religion) and all nations. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. On the other hand, I would suspect that once one attains complete inner freedom, having to follow external laws and rules isn't much of a pinch. Presumably we want to become enlightened not so we can be free of rules, but so rules can no longer impinge on our sense of freedom, which has become absolute and infinite. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: test # one to see if we reconnect with U new eamil?
This Purushee mentions 2000 - 3000 pundits in India. Is this true or is it still on the virtual level? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more Purusha news Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:19:47 -0800 Subject: Re: test # one to see if we reconnect with U new eamil? From: Marty Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Leed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Bill, Good to hear from you. Yes, best to delete old email and use [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you may have heard by now, Purusha is on the move. We had been living in North Carolina for over 10 years, and as of this last weekend everyone is out. About 50 Purusha are gone to India, about 25 or so are in Livingston Manor in NY, and the largest group, about 80 are in Holland. We have heard that Mother Divine are in Vedic City. Maharishi invited a group of up to 50 Purusha to go to INDIA to participate in the month-long World Festival of Peace inaugurating the beginning of a the new World Capital of Peace--and then continue. Located in the center, or Brahmasthan, of India, in Madhya Pradesh, the World Capital of Peace will be a huge development that will be home to 16,000 Yogic-Flying Vedic Pandits. It expands on an existing facility where 2000-3000 Maharishi Vedic Pandits have already been based for some time now. This group of 16,000, along with five other groups of 8,000 in India (totaling 56,000), will create coherence for the whole world through their daily performance of Vedic yagyas for peace, and also, of course, their group practice of Maharishi's programs for enlightenment. Parliaments of World Peace will also be located there, to administer the whole world in enlightenment. Maharishi considers this inauguration to be of great historic importance for India and for the world, and to underscore that, and encourage the progress in building there, he sent almost all of his 22 Rajas of the Global Country of World Peace, as well as 50+ National Leaders from various countries, to India for the 4-week festival. When Maharishi came out of his annual week of silence Jan 8, in addition to the invitation to India, he made one other major announcement: that we are completing purchase of a parcel of land in North Carolina FOR PURUSHA, and that building will go ahead very quickly. We will see what becomes of that! As for my situation, at the end of December I was returning to North Carolina from Xmas vacation in Toronto, and had problems crossing the border into the US from Canada. They got fussy about my documents and said NO GO!. So now it sits that the next time I cross the border, I will have to provide proof of residency for over a year in Canada, and also proof that I am employed in Canada. This puts the nix on joining any Purusha group in the US for at least a year. Regarding going to India or Holland, I will have to delay that trip until I further evaluate my fathers health. He has prostate cancer and is being treated with chemo and hormone therapy. Prostate cancer is slow growing, and is treatable, but it runs in the family and my Dad's younger brother passed from this, so we are taking it seriously. The treatment my Dad is taking has knocked the psa count down for now, but the side effects of the treatment seem to be creating problems for him, especially in terms of mobility. This along with arthritis is slowing him down considerably. Over the last year he has been asking me to come up and be with him in Nanaimo. I have been putting this off as I was waiting to see what Purusha's destiny will be. I was hoping that we would be situated in North America where perhaps I could manage my fathers health situation from a relatively close distance. I can't do this from India or Holland. But I don't feel that I am out of the loop. I am working on a Purusha project with Neil so I am considering my stay here in Nanaimo as also a field project. As to when I can get back with the group, it depends on my Dad's situation. He is on a wait list for knee replacements, and perhaps when that happens, and his general health improves, then I will be free to go. This may be as soon as a few months but could be longer. It has been a little challenging to be away from the group, but I know that it is important and Dharmic to take care of one's Parents. Maharishi has always told us to take good care of our parents. So I will be in Canada taking care of my father for awhile. I know it is the right place for me to be right now. I appreciate your continued support. The fact is that a few strong sponsors had diminished their support last year, and I was short at the end of 2005. It would have been challenging to raise the money to go to Europe or India even if I my fathers health wasn't an issue, as I did not have any sponsorship in reserve, and the move has put me in the red. So I definitely appreciate your continued support, and will need to find some more
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Here in context is the Guru Dev quotation about the supernatural powers of the 'Indian law-giver': 'Today it is usual to be pleased at measuring the material weight of the cow stock; but remember now of the subtler-than-the-subtlest of material knowledge of cow stock of the excellent dharma and usefulness, the very whereabouts may not [now] be connected with, that was evident through supernatural powers to that Indian law- giver. The greatness and holiness of cow stock, in you is the one which is subtler-than-the-subtlest, the cause and form, the reason of keenness of the elements, for their investigation and knowledge the yantra (instrument) of modern material scientists will always remain too crude. Right here is also the cause of the clever twentieth century knowledge - the secret that in the hairs on the body of the mother cow the gods are dwelling, and the dawn sighting of a cow, the worship of the cow, the cow-god etc - remaining unsuccessful in the understanding of the real truth. The universal feeling is held of the holiness of the cow herds and that whether one bears the truth to himself by way of intellect, attainable experience or confident in the way of the shastra, not by physical instruments.' I believe by advocating and living by the Shastras that Guru Dev believed he was serving the best good to those he taught. I believe too that MMY believed he served the best interest of westerners when he de-Hinduised the teaching of meditation. But I don't believe either of them were above believing as fact what many would consider fiction. And this I find particularly curious, that enlightenment can apparently occur without necessarilly disabusing an indivual of the sometimes fictional content of inherited wisdom. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, But you said you thought Guru Dev's take was entirely contrary to that of MMY. I was suggesting it wasn't that different. but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. Did that view of the author also come from a book, or was it intuitive on Guru Dev's part, do you think? Well it might interest FFLers to check the biographical profile of the author, but really!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. Would Guru Dev have disagreed that consciousness is the ultimate source of knowledge? I have trouble believing that he would have. Perhaps what he was doing by emphasizing the shastras was giving his students/followers something to live by *until* they could depend on consciousness for knowledge. And if that's what he was telling them, he would have to live by the shastras' rules himself, would he not, to set an example? MMY actually does somewhat the same thing, by giving some general behavioral recommendations and then telling TMers to follow the scriptures of their religion, and/or the laws of the land, and/or the advice of their elders, if they are in doubt about the right thing to do. He doesn't specify a particular set of scriptures or laws because he wants to reach people of all religions (and no religion) and all nations. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in context is the Guru Dev quotation about the supernatural powers of the 'Indian law-giver': 'Today it is usual to be pleased at measuring the material weight of the cow stock; but remember now of the subtler-than-the-subtlest of material knowledge of cow stock of the excellent dharma and usefulness, the very whereabouts may not [now] be connected with, that was evident through supernatural powers to that Indian law- giver. The greatness and holiness of cow stock, in you is the one which is subtler-than-the-subtlest, the cause and form, the reason of keenness of the elements, for their investigation and knowledge the yantra (instrument) of modern material scientists will always remain too crude. Right here is also the cause of the clever twentieth century knowledge - the secret that in the hairs on the body of the mother cow the gods are dwelling, and the dawn sighting of a cow, the worship of the cow, the cow-god etc - remaining unsuccessful in the understanding of the real truth. The universal feeling is held of the holiness of the cow herds and that whether one bears the truth to himself by way of intellect, attainable experience or confident in the way of the shastra, not by physical instruments.' I have *no* idea what he's saying here. It reads to me like a BabelFish translation. (My deficiency, I'm sure.) I believe by advocating and living by the Shastras that Guru Dev believed he was serving the best good to those he taught. I believe too that MMY believed he served the best interest of westerners when he de-Hinduised the teaching of meditation. But I don't believe either of them were above believing as fact what many would consider fiction. And this I find particularly curious, that enlightenment can apparently occur without necessarilly disabusing an indivual of the sometimes fictional content of inherited wisdom. It raises the question of exactly what kind of knowledge it is that becomes available to higher consciousness, that is supposedly structured in consciousness. Similarly with inherited wisdom. What part of it is that knowledge structured in consciousness, and if not all of it, how is the rest to be characterized? Does the latter influence the expression--i.e., the communication--of the former, or vice-versa, or both? Can they be distinguished at all? Can they be in conflict? How much does the individual personality affect what the enlightened person believes to be true? And does enlightenment guarantee knowing the answers to any of these questions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, But you said you thought Guru Dev's take was entirely contrary to that of MMY. I was suggesting it wasn't that different. I'm still curious about this. but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. Did that view of the author also come from a book, or was it intuitive on Guru Dev's part, do you think? Well it might interest FFLers to check the biographical profile of the author, but really!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. Would Guru Dev have
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Guru Dev was instructed by Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Shringeri Math, a lineage known for its adherence to the Smarta teachings of Adi Shankara. The worship of the five deities (Shiva, Vishnu, Durga, Ganesha, Surya) is recurrent in Guru Dev's teachings. This teaching is thought to have originally means a way of bringing together the variety of worship under one umbrella, thus one could worship any member of Shiva's family or close friends (some also even include a sixth deity, Kartikeya, Shiva's second son and still be in the same community. Vaj, What do you see in the differences between Smarta Sri Vidhya that make you think that Guru Dev would have had trouble reconciling the two systems? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 3, 2006, at 5:20 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I got a series of shocks when I came to read of Guru Dev's lifestory and teachings. I had envisaged someone whose teachings would be light, optimistic, yogic and bright. Instead, I read in his teachings one steeped in the Hindu teachings which many of us would have associated with the Middle Ages rather than a man of enlightenment. I see a set of teachings which are framed and intended for dissemination inside the tradition of Shankara and therefore typical of Shankaracharya tradition. If we accept that SBS was a Sri Vidya adept, the notable thing I notice was the public teaching was typical of Shank-style teachings and did not contain any Sri Vidya teachings whatsoever. One wonders if this is the reason for the reluctance in taking the post in the first place: a post which requires you to talk from a certain angle, in a certain vein and espouse the view of a school. His rendering of Advaita Vedanta seems very traditional. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Personally, I tend to think that enlightenment confers inner contentment complete with a sense of wonder, sense of purpose and more. But on the strength of what I can gather, I am unconvinced that it necessarilly removes the possibility of the enlightened one living his/her enlightenment blissfully ignorant about a great many things, about, ignorant about the truth of the planet's history or the story of creation, ignorant whether this or that storybook figure actually existed or not. Perhaps, and this is dangerous territory perhaps, but just perhaps, enlightenment is no more but no less than living a wonderfully drugless high, and does not necessarilly confer any higher perceptions beyond those which that individual personality can rise to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Here in context is the Guru Dev quotation about the supernatural powers of the 'Indian law-giver': 'Today it is usual to be pleased at measuring the material weight of the cow stock; but remember now of the subtler-than-the-subtlest of material knowledge of cow stock of the excellent dharma and usefulness, the very whereabouts may not [now] be connected with, that was evident through supernatural powers to that Indian law- giver. The greatness and holiness of cow stock, in you is the one which is subtler-than-the-subtlest, the cause and form, the reason of keenness of the elements, for their investigation and knowledge the yantra (instrument) of modern material scientists will always remain too crude. Right here is also the cause of the clever twentieth century knowledge - the secret that in the hairs on the body of the mother cow the gods are dwelling, and the dawn sighting of a cow, the worship of the cow, the cow-god etc - remaining unsuccessful in the understanding of the real truth. The universal feeling is held of the holiness of the cow herds and that whether one bears the truth to himself by way of intellect, attainable experience or confident in the way of the shastra, not by physical instruments.' I have *no* idea what he's saying here. It reads to me like a BabelFish translation. (My deficiency, I'm sure.) I believe by advocating and living by the Shastras that Guru Dev believed he was serving the best good to those he taught. I believe too that MMY believed he served the best interest of westerners when he de-Hinduised the teaching of meditation. But I don't believe either of them were above believing as fact what many would consider fiction. And this I find particularly curious, that enlightenment can apparently occur without necessarilly disabusing an indivual of the sometimes fictional content of inherited wisdom. It raises the question of exactly what kind of knowledge it is that becomes available to higher consciousness, that is supposedly structured in consciousness. Similarly with inherited wisdom. What part of it is that knowledge structured in consciousness, and if not all of it, how is the rest to be characterized? Does the latter influence the expression--i.e., the communication--of the former, or vice-versa, or both? Can they be distinguished at all? Can they be in conflict? How much does the individual personality affect what the enlightened person believes to be true? And does enlightenment guarantee knowing the answers to any of these questions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, But you said you thought Guru Dev's take was entirely contrary to that of MMY. I was suggesting it wasn't that different. I'm still curious about this. but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. Did that view of the author also come from a book, or was it intuitive on Guru Dev's part, do you think? Well it might interest FFLers to check the biographical profile of the author, but really!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science.
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On Feb 3, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:Vaj, What do you see in the differences between Smarta Sri Vidhya that make you think that Guru Dev would have had trouble reconciling the two systems? I don't think he would have had any trouble whatsoever of reconciling them--Shankaracharyin insitutions have a long history of a double standard (Vedic AND Tantric) as does Hinduism in general. What I am suggesting is that the public teaching of "SBS-as-Shankaracharya" is different from the private teaching of SBS to other renunciates. As a case and point, look at Sw. Rama's meeting with him. He teaches him the form of tantric (Sri Vidya) practice he is doing.In accepting the position of Shankaracharya, one then preaches the Shankara party line. Therefore his public speeches at the time of Shankaracharya-ship reflects that role. What do we know of pre-Shank. public lectures? More importantly, what do we know of the *private* teachings, the pith instructions he gave? The fact that many of the lectures we have could be from the Shank-period could filter what we are seeing/hearing and thus be different what his own personal teaching would be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip this I find particularly curious, that enlightenment can apparently occur without necessarilly disabusing an indivual of the sometimes fictional content of inherited wisdom. Hi, what are you referring to specifically here? Is it that Guru Dev says that truth cannot ultimately be found by scientific instruments, or that the gods dwell within the cow hairs? It is a big statement to make and I'm curious what led you to that conclusion Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I tend to think that enlightenment confers inner contentment complete with a sense of wonder, sense of purpose and more. But on the strength of what I can gather, I am unconvinced that it necessarilly removes the possibility of the enlightened one living his/her enlightenment blissfully ignorant about a great many things, about, ignorant about the truth of the planet's history or the story of creation, ignorant whether this or that storybook figure actually existed or not. Perhaps, and this is dangerous territory perhaps, but just perhaps, enlightenment is no more but no less than living a wonderfully drugless high, and does not necessarilly confer any higher perceptions beyond those which that individual personality can rise to. Personally, I wouldn't consider the truth of the planet's history or the other items you mention as higher perceptions in the sense of the knowledge that is said to be structured in consciousness. I do suspect the individual personality imposes some limitations on what can be known, but exactly how those limitations manifest in the enlightened person is a different and more complicated question, I think. I tend to favor the notion that at least in terms of relative knowledge, enlightenment confers access on a need to know basis, which would perhaps be determined on the basis of karma, individual and group or mass. In other words, it would be appropriate to the situation. Maybe this is also in some sense the case with the knowledge structured in consciousness, higher knowledge, whatever that may involve. Or maybe full higher knowledge is accessible to all who are fully enlightened, but the apparent differences have to do with individual personality variations in how that knowledge is understood and expressed intellectually. In other words, that there are differences in what purportedly enlightened individuals believe and teach--especially in terms of the nature and mechanics of consciousness--doesn't seem to me *necessarily* to preclude the possibility that enlightenment does confer higher knowledge. On the other hand, I'm not at all sure that the answer to any of this is automatically conferred by enlightenment. I gather you prefer not to comment on this: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, But you said you thought Guru Dev's take was entirely contrary to that of MMY. I was suggesting it wasn't that different. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Vaj, you ask 'What do we know of pre-Shank. public lectures?' It is said that prior to his becoming Shankaracharya, Guru Dev did not make public lectures. Supporting this is the quote from Raj Varma's book 'Strange Facts of a Great Saint':- 'Then Maharaj Shri himself said I am not in the habit of giving discourses but if any question comes, then adequate answer will be given to it.' About Guru Dev's private teachings, well Raj also wrote:- 'Devotedly I performed the puja of Maharaj Shri and he gave me a suitable mantra to repeat daily in a particular way. I was very grateful to him and bowed down at the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev.' http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/RajVarma.htm MMY himself said:- 'It's very difficult for me to find out what he was using, huh? [laughter from audience] Because initiation is all in private ...' http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't think enlightenment, which can be experienced by all, and is not necessarilly permanent, since everything is temporary until proved otherwise bestows anything other than bliss. However, a blissful person can enjoy the use of their minds in a way that others who are suffering cannot. Therefore they can summon greater power of thought, and assume greater ability to create effects. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Personally, I tend to think that enlightenment confers inner contentment complete with a sense of wonder, sense of purpose and more. But on the strength of what I can gather, I am unconvinced that it necessarilly removes the possibility of the enlightened one living his/her enlightenment blissfully ignorant about a great many things, about, ignorant about the truth of the planet's history or the story of creation, ignorant whether this or that storybook figure actually existed or not. Perhaps, and this is dangerous territory perhaps, but just perhaps, enlightenment is no more but no less than living a wonderfully drugless high, and does not necessarilly confer any higher perceptions beyond those which that individual personality can rise to. Personally, I wouldn't consider the truth of the planet's history or the other items you mention as higher perceptions in the sense of the knowledge that is said to be structured in consciousness. I do suspect the individual personality imposes some limitations on what can be known, but exactly how those limitations manifest in the enlightened person is a different and more complicated question, I think. I tend to favor the notion that at least in terms of relative knowledge, enlightenment confers access on a need to know basis, which would perhaps be determined on the basis of karma, individual and group or mass. In other words, it would be appropriate to the situation. Maybe this is also in some sense the case with the knowledge structured in consciousness, higher knowledge, whatever that may involve. Or maybe full higher knowledge is accessible to all who are fully enlightened, but the apparent differences have to do with individual personality variations in how that knowledge is understood and expressed intellectually. In other words, that there are differences in what purportedly enlightened individuals believe and teach--especially in terms of the nature and mechanics of consciousness--doesn't seem to me *necessarily* to preclude the possibility that enlightenment does confer higher knowledge. On the other hand, I'm not at all sure that the answer to any of this is automatically conferred by enlightenment. I gather you prefer not to comment on this: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, But you said you thought Guru Dev's take was entirely contrary to that of MMY. I was suggesting it wasn't that different. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't believe the author of stuff about gods dwelling in cows hairs anymore than myths about pixies or elves. Just hand-me-down folklore, good for kids. Actually, whilst we're on this topic, I wonder that some get some kind of arrested development, whereby they hang in with childhood fantasy stuff when others move on to deal with the real world. Although I have spent much time in India and explored their religion and beliefs at length, that research has brought me no closer to believing in a large wodge of inherited cultural wisdom. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: snip this I find particularly curious, that enlightenment can apparently occur without necessarilly disabusing an indivual of the sometimes fictional content of inherited wisdom. Hi, what are you referring to specifically here? Is it that Guru Dev says that truth cannot ultimately be found by scientific instruments, or that the gods dwell within the cow hairs? It is a big statement to make and I'm curious what led you to that conclusion Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I have a similar take on this, but have you looked at the Shastras? Phew Also, Guru Dev extols not only the Shastras but their author, holding him to have supernatural sight. http://www.hinduism.co.za/chanakya.htm At a very early age little Chanakya started studying Vedas. The Vedas; considered to be the toughest scriptures to study were completely studied and memorized by Chanakya in his infancy. He was attracted to studies in politics. In politics Chanakya's acumen and shrewdness was visible right from childhood. He was a student of politics right from child hood. Known as a masterful political strategist, .. Since Chanakya was a great scholar from Taxila, he was included in the committee for charity. Chanakya later on became the president of the `Sungha' (Trust). The Sungha used to help the king in the distribution of the money allotted for charity to the different sections of the society. In the process of delegation of the funds for charity, the president of the trust had to meet the king frequently. When Chanakya met the king for the first time, he was disgusted at the ugly appearance of Chanakya. As time passed he developed contempt for Chanakya. There was no refinement in words and conduct. To increase the fire between Dhanananda and Chanakya, the courtiers dissuaded the king from having a cordial relationship with Chanakya. Chanakya acted like a thorough professional and avoided praising the king. He always spoke bluntly and tersely. The king did not like the way Chanakya behaved with him. The king removed Chanakya from the post of president without any reasons. Chanakya was enraged at the proposition of being exploited by the less knowledgeable king. So, he erupted like a volcano on the king, and said, Arrogance in you has eroded the respect which I had for you. You have removed me from the presidentship for no fault of mine. You can't act in a way detrimental to the demeanor of a king. You think there is none to question you? You have removed me from my rightful place and I will dethrone you ! The relationship between Chandragupta and Chanakya bloomed through the years developing into a strong force for their enemies. Most of the historical events took place right under the eyes of Chanakya and Chandragupta. The troops of Alexander and the umpteen number of invaders who ravaged the subcontinent for decades around India. It is said that Chandragupta met Alexander. The bold and arrogant talk by Chandragupta enraged Alexander as a result of which Chandragupta was arrested. Chanakya's training to Chandragupta was over by now and he thought it to be the right occasion to let Chandragupta taste the practical aspect of warfare. Chanakya closely observed the movement and strategies employed by Alexander. He also became aware of the weaknesses of the Indian rulers. ... The momentous life of Chanakya reminds us of a revengeful saga where the individual is obsessed by the idea of taking revenge. But personal revenge was not the aim of Chanakya. He wanted that the kingdom should be secure and that the administration should go on smoothly, bringing happiness to the people. He thought that there were two ways of ensuring the happiness of the people. Firstly, Amatya Rakshasa had to be made Chandragupta's minister; Secondly, a book must be written, laying down how a king should conduct himself, how he should protect himself and the kingdom from the enemies, how to ensure law and order, and so on. By writing Arthashastra and Nitishastra, Chanakya has become a never ending phenomena. He has truly guided the generations with his wisdom . It would ideally suit the closing of the life of Chanakya with a couple of quotations by Chanakya The secret task of a king is to strive for the welfare of his people incessantly. The administration of the kingdom is his religious duty. His greatest gift would be to treat all as equals. The happiness of the commoners is the happiness of the king. Their welfare is his welfare. A king should never think of his personal interest or welfare, but should try to find his joy in the joy of his subjects. These words were written 2300 years ago by Chanakya, the expert statesman and wise sage. And Chanakya is also another name for courage and perseverance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of
[FairfieldLife] An auspicious beginning
Title: An auspicious beginning From: Anthony Antimuro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anthony Antimuro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/31/2006 1:27:43 PM Subject: FW: An auspicious beginning Dear Friends, Purusha has landed in the Land of Wholeness as Maharishi is fond of calling Holland. There is a strong sense in the group that coming to be with Maharishi at this time is a very significant step forward in our evolution. And indeed the signs for it are very auspicious. Normally when Maharishi invites a group to be with him, he lets them rest a day or two to recoup from travel fatigue. So I was surprised when the message came on the day after we arrived that he wanted to meet with us. We are in bungalows in a resort park just 15 minutes drive from MERU. I was one of the first to arrive at Maharishi's magnificent wood house. It turned out he didn't call for us to meet with him, but to come see something that had appeared: an ice linga, the form of Shiva, the aspect of Silence within Natural Law. Purusha is that Silence within Natural Law so it is correlated with Shiva. The ice linga had appeared on the second floor ledge of Maharishi's house near where he has his living quarters. If you have seen a picture of his house you would have noticed a prominent sun room in the center of the second floor above the entrance. The linga appeared just to the left of that room. To see it, we actually went upstairs into the sun room, a very kind invitation that few have ever had the privilege of seeing. Gareth Wallace, who has an office downstairs, said he had never been upstairs. What makes this linga so unusual is that it appeared at all. Nothing like it had ever appeared on the house before. There was no snow on the roof, and no gutter from which to leak a drip. But there was a slight drip coming off the beam above. From where did so much water come? One could only guess. It seemed highly unlikely that enough water could have leaked under the roof and run off the beam, but somehow it did, making it all the more mysterious. At its highest the linga was about 14-15 tall. When we arrive late in the afternoon it was about half that. It was not clear ice but frosty white, and perfectly shaped as lingas seen in stone. The pandits had done puja to it so there were some flower petals around it. When Maharishi was told that the linga had appeared, the first thing he asked was if Purusha had arrived, and was told that yes, they had just arrived. So he took it to be a very auspicious sign that Shiva would give the blessing of an appearance at the time Purusha arrived. A VERY good start. Jai Guru Dev, Steve To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev, the model of enlightenment (was: far more quality posts now.
On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:02 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:Vaj, you ask 'What do we know of pre-Shank. public lectures?' It is said that prior to his becoming Shankaracharya, Guru Dev did not make public lectures. Supporting this is the quote from Raj Varma's book 'Strange Facts of a Great Saint':- 'Then Maharaj Shri himself said "I am not in the habit of giving discourses but if any question comes, then adequate answer will be given to it."' About Guru Dev's private teachings, well Raj also wrote:- 'Devotedly I performed the puja of Maharaj Shri and he gave me a suitable mantra to repeat daily in a particular way. I was very grateful to him and bowed down at the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev.' http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/RajVarma.htm MMY himself said:- 'It's very difficult for me to find out what he was using, huh? [laughter from audience] Because initiation is all in private ...' http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm So in other words, his real teachings remain a mystery. We might conclude however from Swami Rama's account that he shared some form of tantric sadhana for everyone--simple mantra for lay people and lower castes, higher teachings for twice borns--while maintaining Vedic and scriptural norms/precepts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Livingston Manor property Lake Shandalle
The LM property TM own's is in L/M NY the lake is on the property. The lake is situated on the Eastern end of the property the new SV buildings are to be constructed on the eastern side of the lake @ present the buildings are all onthe western side. Presently there are some 30- 40 people there of that some 25-35 Purusha coming going depending on family situations projects they may be working upon. In terms of # S most of the old buildings are now gone many burned in cooperation with local volunteer fire Dept's for there education after all scrap that may be useful for $. some remaining buildings are the main lobby dinning hall ,kitchen,executive new old celebrity, E. wing imperial, all connected toone another, Veda vision remains for directors housing some staff. Some of the small motor pool buildings remain a few sheds near the dining hall- kitchen was uses in the distant past as garage, the milk barn. All theothers have beentorn down removed etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe the author of stuff about gods dwelling in cows hairs anymore than myths about pixies or elves. Just hand-me-down folklore, good for kids. I don't think a strong scientific outlook on creation, human migration patterns, physiology, astronomy, or whatever, precludes any number of personal hypotheses and even experiences of realms science does not (yet) touch on. Science is a great light, but it does not shine in all quarters. While I may not hold to the embellished details of myths about pixies and elves, I do believe, but can't prove it to you, that nature is alive with various nature spirits and the universe is alive with celestial powers. Until science can disprove my experiential based hypothesis, I will sustain it. Again, a scientific view and a metaphysical of things beyond the realm of science is quite compatible. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:36 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe the author of stuff about gods dwelling in cows hairs anymore than myths about pixies or elves. Just hand-me-down folklore, good for kids. I don't think a strong scientific outlook on creation, human migration patterns, physiology, astronomy, or whatever, precludes any number of personal hypotheses and even experiences of realms science does not (yet) touch on. Science is a great light, but it does not shine in all quarters. While I may not hold to the embellished details of myths about pixies and elves, I do believe, but can't prove it to you, that nature is alive with various "nature spirits" and the universe is alive with celestial powers. Until science can disprove my experiential based hypothesis, I will sustain it. Again, a scientific view and a "metaphysical" of things beyond the realm of science is quite compatible. I've been reading a text over the last month which is an absolutely incredible presentation of the entire path from basic sitting meditation, up thorough all the various levels of practice, right up to complete enlightenment and attainment of the rainbow body. The experiential details of the last stages of enlightenment do deal specifically with styles of awareness where one experiences entire universes, dimensions and their beings at the level of subtlty of a hair (and smaller). So to me SBS's description seems like a veiled description of these states of consciousness which are also referred to in other experiential mystical literature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Chanakya
More links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8107/chanakya.html Some of you may wonder why I would include a person like Chanakya, who plotted and overthrew governments, as a saint. Some have even gone as far as to say that he was evil. If re-establishing the truth and the glory of Bharat is evil, then may Gandhiji be accused of overthrowing the British and getting independence of India. If remaining calm during war is not a mark of a yogi, what is ? Chanakya has been misunderstood by a lot of people, mainly the modern western scholars. Though I can not do justice to his greatness by a few lines of his life, I hope the following lines will convince you read some more about his life. Today is the independence day of India, and India is in a similar situation which Chanakya encountered. The country had been ravaged by Alexander and there were numerous petty kings looking after their own interests. The nationalistic pride had disappeared, and people were not proud or even aware of their ancestry. Chanakya appeared on the scene and united Bharat under the rule of Chandragupta Maurya. He was fearless, not afraid of death, disgrace or defeat. He was compassionate to the poor and kind, evil to deceit. His writings which clearly show his fearlessness in the pursuit of Truth has been echoed over 2000 years later when Swami Vivekananda cried out, 'Arise, Awake, sleep not till the goal is reached.' Chanakya lived during the period 350-275 BC. Details of his birth and life are hazy, and we have to rely on tradition. His works have been faithfully preserved through word of mouth for well over two thousand years. His place of birth has to be ascertained from other sources, namely the Buddhist and Jain scriptures. The mahavamsa tika (buddhist) mentions his birth place as taxila, while jain scriptures like adbidhana chintamani mention his birth place as South India, around present day kerala. Probably the latter is appropriate when we consider the frequent mention of the tuft of hair, which is a mark of present day nambudhiri. However, Chanakya's birth place will continue to remain a controversy. Let us not forget that the major puranas, including the bhagavata purana, vayu, matsya, brahmanda and bhavishya purana all mention chanakya along with chandragupta maurya. Probably the short and wonderful play mudra rakshasha written by visakhadatta is the most famous on chanakya, though this covers only the portion of his life after the downfall of nandas and the establishment of Chandragupta. Naturally, the life of these two people (Chanakya and Chandragupta) has been closely intervined. However, in my personal opinion, I would say that Chandragupta's fame and intelligence was in major portion due to Chanakya (this is not to put down chandragupta in any way). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kautilya http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chanakya * A good wife is one who serves her husband in the morning like a mother does, loves him in the day like a sister does and pleases him like a prostitute in the night. * An egoist can be won over by being respected, a crazy person can be won over by allowing him to behave in an insane manner and a wise person can be won over by truth. * A human being should strive for four things in life - dharma, arth (money), kaam (desires) and moksha (salvation). A person who hasn't strived for even one of these things has wasted life. * A man is great by deeds, not by birth. * A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first. * A rich man has many friends. * As soon as the fear approaches near, attack and destroy it. * As centesimal droppings will fill a pot so also are knowledge, virtue and wealth gradually obtained. * A woman is four times as shy, six times as brave and eight times as libidinous as a man. * Avoid him who talks sweetly before you but tries to ruin you behind your back, for he is like a pitcher of poison with milk on top. * Before you start some work, always ask yourself three questions - Why am I doing it, What the results might be and Will I be successful. Only when you think deeply and find satisfactory answers to these questions, go ahead. * Books are as useful to a stupid person as a mirror is useful to a blind person. * Education is the best friend. An educated person is respected everywhere. Education beats the beauty and the youth. * Even if a snake is not poisonous, it should pretend to be venomous. * He who befriends a man whose conduct is vicious, whose vision impure, and who is notoriously crooked, is rapidly ruined. * If you get to learn something even from the worst of creatures, don't hesistate. * In a state where the ruler lives like a common man, the citizens live like kings do. And in the state where the ruler lives like a king, the citizens live like beggers do. * Jealousy is another name for failure. * Never make friends with people
[FairfieldLife] cartoons of the prophet R on w.wikipedia.org lots more info re: them
www.wikipedia.org This cite www.drudgereport.com has them Google as wellSome international newspaper cites have taken the, drawings off their citesI note. Freedom of thought is even more basic than freedom of speech it as well employs the ability to control ones anger or emotions when viewing what he, thethinker or non thinker may be offensive to his thought system. Some with weak control of their emotions the threaten others ordestroy things asproperty but usually NOT there own property.Tire burning flag burning trampeling is also favored response by the week of mind etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An auspicious beginning
If purusha had arrived in July and an ice lingam appeared, then I'd be impressed ... but not in the dead of winter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Anthony Antimuro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anthony Antimuro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/31/2006 1:27:43 PM Subject: FW: An auspicious beginning Dear Friends, Purusha has landed in the Land of Wholeness¸ as Maharishi is fond of calling Holland. There is a strong sense in the group that coming to be with Maharishi at this time is a very significant step forward in our evolution. And indeed the signs for it are very auspicious. Normally when Maharishi invites a group to be with him, he lets them rest a day or two to recoup from travel fatigue. So I was surprised when the message came on the day after we arrived that he wanted to meet with us. We are in bungalows in a resort park just 15 minutes drive from MERU. I was one of the first to arrive at Maharishi's magnificent wood house. It turned out he didn't call for us to meet with him, but to come see something that had appeared: an ice linga, the form of Shiva, the aspect of Silence within Natural Law. Purusha is that Silence within Natural Law so it is correlated with Shiva. The ice linga had appeared on the second floor ledge of Maharishi's house near where he has his living quarters. If you have seen a picture of his house you would have noticed a prominent sun room in the center of the second floor above the entrance. The linga appeared just to the left of that room. To see it, we actually went upstairs into the sun room, a very kind invitation that few have ever had the privilege of seeing. Gareth Wallace, who has an office downstairs, said he had never been upstairs. What makes this linga so unusual is that it appeared at all. Nothing like it had ever appeared on the house before. There was no snow on the roof, and no gutter from which to leak a drip. But there was a slight drip coming off the beam above. From where did so much water come? One could only guess. It seemed highly unlikely that enough water could have leaked under the roof and run off the beam, but somehow it did, making it all the more mysterious. At its highest the linga was about 14-15 tall. When we arrive late in the afternoon it was about half that. It was not clear ice but frosty white, and perfectly shaped as lingas seen in stone. The pandits had done puja to it so there were some flower petals around it. When Maharishi was told that the linga had appeared, the first thing he asked was if Purusha had arrived, and was told that yes, they had just arrived. So he took it to be a very auspicious sign that Shiva would give the blessing of an appearance at the time Purusha arrived. A VERY good start. Jai Guru Dev, Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe the author of stuff about gods dwelling in cows hairs anymore than myths about pixies or elves. Just hand-me-down folklore, good for kids. Actually, whilst we're on this topic, I wonder that some get some kind of arrested development, whereby they hang in with childhood fantasy stuff when others move on to deal with the real world. Although I have spent much time in India and explored their religion and beliefs at length, that research has brought me no closer to believing in a large wodge of inherited cultural wisdom. Thanks for clearing that up. I agree with you to only trust our direct perception; building castles in the air provides no shelter. On the other hand, if someone were to tell you that your body is made up of closely packed, magnetically bundled quanta of energy, resulting in the illusion of a solid object, would you believe that? Seems just as fanciful as the stuff you've quoted above, and yet is the current Western scientific thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:36 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I don't believe the author of stuff about gods dwelling in cows hairs anymore than myths about pixies or elves. Just hand-me-down folklore, good for kids. I don't think a strong scientific outlook on creation, human migration patterns, physiology, astronomy, or whatever, precludes any number of personal hypotheses and even experiences of realms science does not (yet) touch on. Science is a great light, but it does not shine in all quarters. While I may not hold to the embellished details of myths about pixies and elves, I do believe, but can't prove it to you, that nature is alive with various nature spirits and the universe is alive with celestial powers. Until science can disprove my experiential based hypothesis, I will sustain it. Again, a scientific view and a metaphysical of things beyond the realm of science is quite compatible. I've been reading a text over the last month which is an absolutely incredible presentation of the entire path from basic sitting meditation, up thorough all the various levels of practice, right up to complete enlightenment and attainment of the rainbow body. The experiential details of the last stages of enlightenment do deal specifically with styles of awareness where one experiences entire universes, dimensions and their beings at the level of subtlty of a hair (and smaller). So to me SBS's description seems like a veiled description of these states of consciousness which are also referred to in other experiential mystical literature. And then there's always: To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour --William Blake Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chanakya
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first. -Chanakya the author of the Shastras, one with mystical insight Give any insight into TMO business dealings? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chanakya
One who is in search of knowledge should give up the search of pleasure and the one who is in search of pleasure should give up the search of knowledge. - Chanakya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An auspicious beginning
I love how clearly and succinctly you speak the truth! I had a similar thought but the way I though it was with a lot more sneer behind it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If purusha had arrived in July and an ice lingam appeared, then I'd be impressed ... but not in the dead of winter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From: Anthony Antimuro mailto:aantimuro@ To: Anthony Antimuro mailto:aantimuro@ Sent: 1/31/2006 1:27:43 PM Subject: FW: An auspicious beginning Dear Friends, Purusha has landed in the Land of Wholeness¸ as Maharishi is fond of calling Holland. There is a strong sense in the group that coming to be with Maharishi at this time is a very significant step forward in our evolution. And indeed the signs for it are very auspicious. Normally when Maharishi invites a group to be with him, he lets them rest a day or two to recoup from travel fatigue. So I was surprised when the message came on the day after we arrived that he wanted to meet with us. We are in bungalows in a resort park just 15 minutes drive from MERU. I was one of the first to arrive at Maharishi's magnificent wood house. It turned out he didn't call for us to meet with him, but to come see something that had appeared: an ice linga, the form of Shiva, the aspect of Silence within Natural Law. Purusha is that Silence within Natural Law so it is correlated with Shiva. The ice linga had appeared on the second floor ledge of Maharishi's house near where he has his living quarters. If you have seen a picture of his house you would have noticed a prominent sun room in the center of the second floor above the entrance. The linga appeared just to the left of that room. To see it, we actually went upstairs into the sun room, a very kind invitation that few have ever had the privilege of seeing. Gareth Wallace, who has an office downstairs, said he had never been upstairs. What makes this linga so unusual is that it appeared at all. Nothing like it had ever appeared on the house before. There was no snow on the roof, and no gutter from which to leak a drip. But there was a slight drip coming off the beam above. From where did so much water come? One could only guess. It seemed highly unlikely that enough water could have leaked under the roof and run off the beam, but somehow it did, making it all the more mysterious. At its highest the linga was about 14-15 tall. When we arrive late in the afternoon it was about half that. It was not clear ice but frosty white, and perfectly shaped as lingas seen in stone. The pandits had done puja to it so there were some flower petals around it. When Maharishi was told that the linga had appeared, the first thing he asked was if Purusha had arrived, and was told that yes, they had just arrived. So he took it to be a very auspicious sign that Shiva would give the blessing of an appearance at the time Purusha arrived. A VERY good start. Jai Guru Dev, Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
Ingegerd wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY You have seen them? I have not. The Magazine that published the drawings in Norway is so small, that I did not even know they exist - but the Militants in Palestine knew, and now they proclaim to kill innocent people from Scandinavia. I remember MMY once had some remarks on different relegions, saying that Veda is the source for all relegions. The oldest one is Hinduism and the youngest Islam. All relegions will fall, and the youngest will fall first. Not without a fight, I think. Ingegerd http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/ Scroll down to View controversial cartoons Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY You have seen them? I have not. The Magazine that published the drawings in Norway is so small, that I did not even know they exist - but the Militants in Palestine knew, and now they proclaim to kill innocent people from Scandinavia. I remember MMY once had some remarks on different relegions, saying that Veda is the source for all relegions. The oldest one is Hinduism and the youngest Islam. All relegions will fall, and the youngest will fall first. Not without a fight, I think. Ingegerd http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/ Scroll down to View controversial cartoons Well - well - well. To make all this noise about some cartoons - is amazing. No wonder that it is wars. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Program on Sunday
Since this list occasionally has discussed TM activities and teach- ers and controversies in South Florida (Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach Counties), I thought this recent e-mail from some of the local recertified TM Teachers might be of interest in getting a feel for the flavor of their ongoing local activities, and, of course, stir up some of the famous flavor of commentary that we've become so well known and loved for. ;) Report from: Dr. Richard and Debbie Thompson (TM Program Coor- dinators, South FL): Last week's visit by the vedic experts (Mr. and Mrs. Rao) was a tremendous success! Twenty-nine people took the TM-Sidhi Refresher Course, five people took the multi-session MVVT [Maharishi Vedic Vibration Therapy] consultations, six people had TM-Sidhi or TM Ad- vanced Technique consultations, two people received TM Advanced Techniques, and about 30 attended the evening advanced lecture by Dr. and Mrs. Rao. Also, several people have indicated interest in a local WPA/Res- idence Course and a CIC [TM-sidhis course]. Please let us know of your interest so we can add you to the list and finalize plans for courses in March. Our regular schedule of Sunday evening Superadiance and potluck resumes this weekend with program at our home in Margate. As usual, lift-off will be at 6:00. We look forward to seeing you, especially those we've yet to meet! Jai Guru Dev Richard Debbie Namaste, Michael PARA - THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION Michael Dean Goodman Ph.D., D.D., Director Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) Florida * 561-350-3930 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Counseling * Workshops * Educational Sessions * Presentations * Satsang Clients and programs throughout the United States, Europe, and India Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] THE KAUSITAKI BRAHMANA OF THE RIG VEDA
THE KAUSITAKI BRAHMANA OF THE RIG VEDA translated by A.B. Keith II:3. Viraj (emancipation) is prosperity and proper food. He who offers the Viraj obtains all desires (Tsampa Yeshe Norbu - the bread of the Wish-Fulfilling Gem). III:1. The gods do not eat the oblation of him who does not perform the fast. 6. In that mingling, he offers the butter (the favored Tantric dietary supplement)...in the midst of the milk (favorite Tantric beverage) offering. (This could pertain to both cow's milk and the milk of one's Shakti Ma.) The waters are healing and medicine; verily thus are healing and medicine produced at the end of the sacrifice. 8. The sacrifice to the wives with (the gods) are a pouring of seed (Genetic Efflux). To Soma (female urine and seed) he sacrifices; thus he pours seed...transmutes the seed that is poured; then to the wives, for these are joint sacrifices for the wives. He sacrifices last to Agni (Fire, Kundalini, Holy Spirit). He invokes the sacrificial food, purifying himself. He confers Union (with man) upon women. 4. Soma...I eat. 11. It is a sacrifice for one desiring Heaven. Thus he united the sacrifice with Holy Power. Thus he obtains the three worlds (dimensions). 12. He gives the honey drink (a preferred Tantric dietary supplement). 14. To N.N. (Double Water, Androgynous Bioplasma, See Egyptian hieroglyphs), hail. (This N.N. is the best example of the connection between Egyptian and Hindu religions. In the Holy Bible, see Joshua the Son of NuN.) To N.N. (Advaitamrita) hail! (This Androgynous Dwij or Rebirth is exemplified by Shiva's Androgynous incarnation as Ardhanarishwar. As the Sikhs say: Eckongcar Sat Nam, or One-Om-Body is the True Name or identity of God. This is the Blood At-One-ment for the Remission of sins.) V:7. The waters are healing and medicine. 9. They offer the libations. Verily thus do they produce a benediction, for the healing of the sacrifice and the medicine of the sacrificer. VI:9. Ever more brilliant is an (inner) Son, (Re)born in the offspring... 14. He drinks (urine). Whatever of the (vital) breaths has been ill or injured...he heals it. VIII:2. These sacrifices are a pouring of seed. Upasads 9. The gods have butter as their oblation. The sacrificer has milk as his fasting food. In case he must eat...curds (yogurt. These permanent fasts require supplements of honey, molasses, fruit juices, and milk products, to say nothing of recycling all Genetic Efflux possible.) 5. The (Divine) Embryo (Rebirth) of beings I take up. 6. Soma (urine, seed) is the Breath (Prana, life force. Note that Prana is now Soma. - Sw. Tantrasangha). Soma, the king, is glory. XII:1. The waters are the sacrifice. Thus he confers immortality on himself. The cows (females) are the waters (for men). The waters impell all this universe. (Rebirth is psychoactive.) Winding hither, those of two streams (male and female conjoined)... 2. The mothers are the waters (for men). 3. The waters confer Viraj (Physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual Emancipation). 4. The two cups are inspiration and expiration. (Again, Rasa Tantra is compared to outflow or Apana, and inflow of Prana. See Alternate Nostril Breathing in the Hatha Yoga Pradipika. Soma is breath or Prana.) The waters are the thunderbolt (Vajra, the diamond of highest value, similar to the Mormon's Pearl of Great Price. Om Mani Padma Hum, or Male-Female is the jewel or gem in the water lotus or yoni. It is said that the lost Buddhist school of Vajrayana was the most Tantric of lineages.) Sarpana 5. All the gods rejoice in the (Soma) Pavamana (Pure mother- water, Manna)...the purifiying. XIII:6. ...The cups of the two deities (man and woman)... By (pure, genetic) food are the breaths (bioplasma) of the (two) bodies combined. 7. Soma is seed (Genetic Efflux). Soma is the highest kind of proper food (Pavamana). 9. Cross- Breathing (Rasa Tantra between man and wife, i.e. Alternate Nostril Breathing. The term, Cross-Breathing recurs in Mahayana Tantras.) secures fullness of life in this world and Immortality in Heaven. XVI:5. By ghee (clarified butter) and by Soma is the sacrifice carried on. 6. The cup is a pouring of seed. 7. The waters (urine and seed) are healing medicine. XXIII:7. It makes a pairing, a...generation (conception, fertilization, Rebirth). XXV:1. (By) the waters they Conceived. (See the story in the Book of Genesis of the cattle who conceived by drinking water. This is to be, as Jesus called it: Born Again of Water and Spirit - The only True Name or method of complete Salvation from the Eight Sufferings.) Thence was this Sun (Re)born. (The Egyptian word for Sun is Re or Ra, symbolizing the heat, light and life of Salvation. See the Sun of Righteousness in the Holy Bible.) 13. He propagates to Immortality. (To continue this practice of Propagation, confers Physical Immortality.) XXVI:13. ...The Son of the Waters (Rebirth from Water) for aid... 15. This is a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Jim you are right, best to stay with trusting direct perception. Imagination can supply images of these suggested ideas but then hypnotists and Messmerists have always relied on suggestibility to have their way. Possibly scientists too sometimes exploit suggestibility too? But meditation, sets a goal, find out what life is like beyond thought! Now this does not involve bothering with suggestions, just direct experience (or as the parlance of TM would have it - beyond experience). There might be areas where I am happy to be at odds with the teachings of TM but not with regards the empowerment bestowed by going beyond thought. That is unquestionable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I don't believe the author of stuff about gods dwelling in cows hairs anymore than myths about pixies or elves. Just hand-me-down folklore, good for kids. Actually, whilst we're on this topic, I wonder that some get some kind of arrested development, whereby they hang in with childhood fantasy stuff when others move on to deal with the real world. Although I have spent much time in India and explored their religion and beliefs at length, that research has brought me no closer to believing in a large wodge of inherited cultural wisdom. Thanks for clearing that up. I agree with you to only trust our direct perception; building castles in the air provides no shelter. On the other hand, if someone were to tell you that your body is made up of closely packed, magnetically bundled quanta of energy, resulting in the illusion of a solid object, would you believe that? Seems just as fanciful as the stuff you've quoted above, and yet is the current Western scientific thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chanakya
Chanakya is also known as Kautilya, For tasters of the Shastras the following is of use:- Indian History Sourcebook: Kautilya: from The Arthashastra, c. 250 BCE http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/kautilya1.html#Book%20III,% 20Chapter%2013 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One who is in search of knowledge should give up the search of pleasure and the one who is in search of pleasure should give up the search of knowledge. - Chanakya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] ABC News: Poll: Rudeness in America, 2006
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/US/story?id=1574155 Tonight's show. Relates to our discussion of cordial vs. rude behavior in chat groups. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** I believe by advocating and living by the Shastras that Guru Dev believed he was serving the best good to those he taught. I believe too that MMY believed he served the best interest of westerners when he de-Hinduised the teaching of meditation. But I don't believe either of them were above believing as fact what many would consider fiction. And this I find particularly curious, that enlightenment can apparently occur without necessarilly disabusing an indivual of the sometimes fictional content of inherited wisdom. **SNIP TO END** Perhaps all inherited wisdom has some degree of fictional content but that doesn't mean that the explanation that it provides doesn't make rational sense to those to whom it is inherited. Scientific theories, which for the time and place that they are accepted explain reality (or the reality being explained) to an acceptable level until such time as a better or more comprehensive explanation supersedes. Newtonian physics still explains gravity on the local level that it is experienced everyday but it is inapplicable on the quantum level, even fictional. On some level of the 19th-early 20th century mind of an Indian monk the above information re cows not only made sense but explained something about life as he lived it; maybe explained it in a very profound fashion. Perhaps metaphor and analogy are more closely related to reality than we imagine, inasmuch as reality is only found in the mind to begin with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chanakya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chanakya is also known as Kautilya, For tasters of the Shastras the following is of use:- Indian History Sourcebook: Kautilya: from The Arthashastra, c. 250 BCE http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/kautilya1.html#Book%20III,% 20Chapter%2013 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy no_reply@ wrote: One who is in search of knowledge should give up the search of pleasure and the one who is in search of pleasure should give up the search of knowledge. - Chanakya Thanks. From that link: Marriage is the basis of all disputes. The giving in marriage of a virgin well-adorned is called Brahma-marriage. The joint performance of sacred duties by a man and a woman is known as prajapatya-marriage. The giving in marriage of a virgin for a couple of cows is called Arsha-marriage. The giving in marriage of a virgin to an officiating priest in a sacrifice is called Daiva-marriage. The voluntary union of a virgin with her lover is called Gandharva-marriage. Giving a virgin after receiving plenty of wealth is termed Asura-marriage. The abduction of a virgin is called Rakshasa-marriage. The abduction of a virgin while she is still asleep and intoxicated is called Paisacha-marriage. Of these, the first four are ancestral customs of old and are valid on their being approved of by the father. The rest are to be sanctioned by both the father and the mother; for it is they that receive the money paid by the bridegroom for their daughter. In case of the absence by death of either the father or the mother, the survivor will receive the money-payment. If both of them are dead, the virgin herself shall receive it. Any kind of marriage is approvable, provided it pleases all those that are concerned in it. ** Sounds similar to Manu. Women, when twelve years old, attain their majority, and men when sixteen years old. If, after attaining their majority, they prove disobedient to lawful authority, women shall be fined fifteen panas, and men twice the amount. A woman who has a right to claim maintenance for an unlimited period of time shall be given as much food and clothing as is necessary for her, or more than is necessary in proportion to the income of her maintainer. . . Women of refractive natures shall not be taught manners by using such expressions as You, half-naked!; you, fully-naked; you, cripple; you, fatherless; you, motherless. Nor shall she be given more than three beats, either with a bamboo bark or with a rope or with the palm of the hand, on her hips. Violation of the above rules shall be liable to half the punishment levied for defamation and criminal hurt. The same kind of punishments shall be meted out to a woman who, moved with jealousy or hatred, shows cruelty to her husband. . . . A woman who hates her husband, who has passed the period of seven turns of her menses, and who loves another, shall immediately return to her husband both the endowment and jewelry she has received from him, and allow him to lie down with another woman. A man, hating his wife, shall allow her to take shelter in the house of a beggar woman, or of her lawful guardians or of her kinsmen. . . A woman, hating her husband, cannot divorce her husband against his will. Nor can a man divorce his wife against her will. But from mutual enmity divorce may be obtained. . . If a woman engages herself in amorous sports, or drinking in the face of an order to the contrary, she shall be fined three panas. She shall pay a fine of six panas for going out at daytime to sports or to see a woman or spectacles. She shall pay a fine of twelve panas if she goes out to see another man or for sports. For the same offences committed at night the fines shall be doubled. If a woman goes out while the husband is asleep or intoxicated, or if she shuts the door of the house against her husband, she shall be fined twelve panas. If a woman keeps him out of the house at night, she shall pay double the above fine. If a man and a woman make signs to each other with a view to sensual enjoyment, or carry on secret conversation for the same purpose, the woman shall pay a fine of twenty-four panas and the man double that amount. . . .For holding conversation in suspicious places, whips may be substituted for fines. In the center of the village, an outcaste person may whip such women five times on each of the sides of their body. ** so how much is twenty-four panas + double that amount = 72 panas? . Houses, fields, gardens, buildings of any kind, lakes and tanks are each called Vastu. Disputes concerning Vastu are dependent for settlement on the evidences to be furnished by people living in the neighborhood. . . From each house a water-course of sufficient slope at a distance of three padas or 1.5 aratnis from the neighboring site shall be so constructed that water shall either flow from it in a continuous line or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I tend to think that enlightenment confers inner contentment complete with a sense of wonder, sense of purpose and more. But on the strength of what I can gather, I am unconvinced that it necessarilly removes the possibility of the enlightened one living his/her enlightenment blissfully ignorant about a great many things, about, ignorant about the truth of the planet's history or the story of creation, ignorant whether this or that storybook figure actually existed or not. Perhaps, and this is dangerous territory perhaps, but just perhaps, enlightenment is no more but no less than living a wonderfully drugless high, and does not necessarilly confer any higher perceptions beyond those which that individual personality can rise to. **SNIP TO END** Your conclusion seems sound to me. But as to what constitues higher or lower perceptions, who's to say? If, for example, on any particular psychedelic drug I have the experience of a red swirling flower -- what is unreal about that experience, even though no one else experiences it? I know what red is, what a flower is, and what a swirling motion is. And it's all being presented to whomever all the other experiences of my life are presented to and with the same, or even greater, sense of reality. Should I, could I, doubt that just because I am (apparently) the only one having the specific experience of those characteristics all together at the same time? Maybe that hallucination provides some profound insight that puts the rest of my life into clearer or more cogent focus. Or maybe it merely exposes how malleable experience is itself, and in doing so, throws the attention back on who it is that's paying attention in the first place. Perhaps spiritual experiences or insight and subtle/celestial vision function similarly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 2:45 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 2:03 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really disagree. About 2-3 years ago the posts/post-ers on this site were far superior to what they have been for some time now. I cannot recall the names of all the post-ers from that era but I always enjoyed reading Doug Hamilton's quotes, Rick was a much more active poster and his posts usually had much more meat to them than more recently. My work load is greater and I need to stay more focused, so I just spot-read posts here and do hit-and-run responses much of the time. LB hasn't been reading lately. He always posted quality stuff. He and Thom Krystofiak (I think) had a great debate about karma a couple of years ago. I also like Irmeli's and Ingegard's stuff. Back to work. Also, I'm taking tabla lessons and like to practice every night if possible. Here a tidbit: I was playing tablas with a little bhajan group and a friend came up to me afterwards and told me that when he was on International Staff, they used to smuggle cash from country to country in tablas. They'd take the heads off, stuff them with large denomination bills, and take them as luggage. ANd the reason for doing this was... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: they used to smuggle cash from country to country in tablas. ANd the reason for doing this was... Richer sound? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 3:04 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would they need to smuggle cash--or anything else? To avoid having to pay the fees or taxes you have to pay when moving money from country to country. At least that¹s my understanding. Just how big a bill are we talking about, and how many of them? Sal On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Also, I'm taking tabla lessons and like to practice every night if possible. Here a tidbit: I was playing tablas with a little bhajan group and a friend came up to me afterwards and told me that when he was on International Staff, they used to smuggle cash from country to country in tablas. They'd take the heads off, stuff them with large denomination bills, and take them as luggage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 3:38 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are probably few countries that impose legitimate fees or taxes on moving money -- it's more likely that it was done to avoid paying bribes to customs officials when they saw a large amount of currency there for dipping into. When you leave/enter the USA, you need to declare whether you have more than $10K in cash/etc., or you could be heavily fined, but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe, unlike many countries around the world where this is SOP: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml So moving money from Spain to Switzerland, which Leon Weiner was arrested for doing, would have involved paying a bribe to some officials? My recollection is that it eventually DID result in paying bribes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:54 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: And if we are to believe conventional wisdom (tales from MMY), SBS gave MMY a path for householders -- world wide. Presumably this was not the mainstream things he taught his monks to do, nor devout hindu audiences. In spending a good amount of time with some of the western swamis who were all initiated by the Shankaracharya of the south I can tell you none of these people were using mantras for meditation--they were all doing a higher form of meditation to quickly realize Brahman. I stumbled into the Kalachakra week-long teaching given by HHDL in Sarnath -- with the sand painting of the mandala and all. Meditation on that, or mastery of it, is said to do great things. It is so detailed and intricate. To practice and master goking it, did seem a lot more sophisticated than TM. Then again TM's dogma is simplicity is the key. Zen vs...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Holland -- Land of Wholeness
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/03/D8FHR5I00.html Amsterdam 'No Toking' Signs Being Pilfered Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY Meanwhile, these humor-challenged fundamentalist are reprinting THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION and have even made a mini-series about it for Egyptian television. More main stream Muslims need to get a voice so that they are heard over the din of the wackos and the terrorist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev, the model of enlightenment (was: far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whilst speaking about meditation MMY has usually made sure to position a picture of Guru Dev behind him . Also, when speaking about Guru Dev himself he always held him to be a shining example of spirituality and completeness. So for TMers, Guru Dev represents the model of spiritual attainment - enlightenment. Whilst there are other models in other traditions, in the world of TM Guru Dev is the primary example. I don't know about the rest of you, but I got a series of shocks when I came to read of Guru Dev's lifestory and teachings. I had envisaged someone whose teachings would be light, optimistic, yogic and bright. Instead, I read in his teachings one steeped in the Hindu teachings which many of us would have associated with the Middle Ages rather than a man of enlightenment. Be that as it may, he is the example that has been offered by MMY, and therefore deserves close consideration. Clearly, there is an undercurrent of humour and light pervading the teachings. But I am still concerned that enlightenment as portrayed by him seems so against freedom of thought and action. It appears that MMY too had reservations about his attitude to fatalism. I quote from a biographical sketch he wrote in 1955, two years after Guru Dev's passing:- 'He for himself would allow things to go on as they are ordained by the hand of destiny, but His devotees have many a time changed the course of fate of themselves and of the people.' What this means is that Guru Dev recognized that the entropic direction of the continuous 4.3 million year Yuga cycle (from high levels of consciousness and long life in the 1.7 million years of the Sat Yuga to the doglike and short life in the ~400K years of the Kali Yuga) is the way life has always been, and for a reason. Creation has be to in the direction of entropy (increasing disorder) because, otherwise, everybody would simply gain perfection right away and the creation dream would disappear in a puff of enlightened light. In order for the dream of creation to continue, the average value of human consciousness on earth has to decrease over time until it gets so bad, at the end of the Kali Yuga, that Nature simply pulls the plug on most of the human biomass and a small population begins to live the beginning of the yuga cycle, Sat Yuga, once again. However, as MMY notes, many followers of Shankara, out of compassion for the people living lives of ignorance and misery, have whispered the knowledge of how to contact one's inner divine nature through TM, and therefore brought a spell of relief to the ugly and brutal life that is lived in the Kali Yuga. Anybody can gain enlightenment in any epoch of the Yuga cycle, but ultimately the direction of the average value of consciousness on earth is increasing disorder, and you can't argue with it -- this is just the play of the divine, and sooner or later everybody living in misery gets tired of doing so and opts out of the creation cycle by diving within and gaining enlightenment, an option which is actually easier and more attractive in the Kali Yuga because the atmosphere is so lousy that one becomes hungrier for experiencing the bliss of one's own infinite consciousness. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: *** Not to worry, Illegal workers in the USA are subsidizing your retirement to the tune of $7 billion/year because they kick into the Social Security/Medicare fund, but can't collect when they get old: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html I thought I saw recently where there was some controversy about the US sending money to Mexico for these people already. N. * There are probably some people who were here legally (on the bracero program or whatever) and returned to Mexico who the U.S. legally owes Social Security benefits to, but as the NYT article points out, the illegals who are kicking in the $7 billion/yr are not illegible to collect Social Security regardless of where they are living when they retire. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Livingston Manor property Lake Shandalle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The LM property TM own's is in L/M NY the lake is on the property. The lake is situated on the Eastern end of the property the new SV buildings are to be constructed on the eastern side of the lake @ present the buildings are all on the western side. Presently there are some 30- 40 people there of that some 25-35 Purusha coming going depending on family situations projects they may be working upon. In terms of # S most of the old buildings are now gone many burned in cooperation with local volunteer fire Dept's for there education after all scrap that may be useful for $. some remaining buildings are the main lobby dinning hall ,kitchen, executive new old celebrity, E. wing imperial, all connected to one another, Veda vision remains for directors housing some staff. Some of the small motor pool buildings remain a few sheds near the dining hall- kitchen was uses in the distant past as garage, the milk barn. All the others have been torn down removed etc. ** I think you've got this wrong. If buildings were to be constructed on the east side of the Lake, then a body of water would be on the west, which is inauspicious (water bodies should be on the east or north) according to Sthapathya Veda. http://tinyurl.com/7qw7s (you may have to zoom out to see the TMO's Livingston Manor property in relation to the Lake) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/2/06 3:38 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are probably few countries that impose legitimate fees or taxes on moving money -- it's more likely that it was done to avoid paying bribes to customs officials when they saw a large amount of currency there for dipping into. When you leave/enter the USA, you need to declare whether you have more than $10K in cash/etc., or you could be heavily fined, but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe, unlike many countries around the world where this is SOP: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml So moving money from Spain to Switzerland, which Leon Weiner was arrested for doing, would have involved paying a bribe to some officials? My recollection is that it eventually DID result in paying bribes. If Leon was arrested entering Switzerland, then he certainly did not pay a bribe, but a fine to the court. It's not impossible that if he was caught exiting Spain without declaring the money, that he did pay a bribe after being arrested, but it's more likely that he would also have paid a legitimate fine to the Spanish court just as he would have in Switzerland (or the U.S., where penalties for failure to declare can be catastrophic -- they can seize all the money/etc not declared). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: *** Not to worry, Illegal workers in the USA are subsidizing your retirement to the tune of $7 billion/year because they kick into the Social Security/Medicare fund, but can't collect when they get old: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html I thought I saw recently where there was some controversy about the US sending money to Mexico for these people already. N. ** There are probably some people who were here legally (on the bracero program or whatever) and returned to Mexico who the U.S. legally owes Social Security benefits to, but as the NYT article points out, the illegals who are kicking in the $7 billion/yr are not eligible to collect Social Security regardless of where they are living when they retire. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Ingegerd wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY You have seen them? I have not. The Magazine that published the drawings in Norway is so small, that I did not even know they exist - but the Militants in Palestine knew, and now they proclaim to kill innocent people from Scandinavia. I remember MMY once had some remarks on different relegions, saying that Veda is the source for all relegions. The oldest one is Hinduism and the youngest Islam. All relegions will fall, and the youngest will fall first. Not without a fight, I think. Ingegerd http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/ Scroll down to View controversial cartoons Well - well - well. To make all this noise about some cartoons - is amazing. No wonder that it is wars. Ingegerd ** Yeah, it's ridiculous, but let's not claim that it's only Muslims who are ridiculous. Christians get plenty bent when you mess with Jesus: http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_033162841.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
on 2/3/06 3:30 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Leon was arrested entering Switzerland, then he certainly did not pay a bribe, but a fine to the court. It's not impossible that if he was caught exiting Spain without declaring the money, That's what happened. that he did pay a bribe after being arrested, That too. Billy Clayton and Shannon Dickson flew to Madrid with a briefcase full of money which they handed over to some officials to get him out. I don't know why the officials didn't just take the money Leon was trying to smuggle. Maybe it was insufficient. but it's more likely that he would also have paid a legitimate fine to the Spanish court just as he would have in Switzerland (or the U.S., where penalties for failure to declare can be catastrophic -- they can seize all the money/etc not declared). The way I heard the story from Shannon, it didn't sound legitimate. Shannon didn't think it was. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip Well - well - well. To make all this noise about some cartoons - is amazing. No wonder that it is wars. Ingegerd Yeah, it's ridiculous, but let's not claim that it's only Muslims who are ridiculous. Christians get plenty bent when you mess with Jesus: http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_033162841.html Not to mention the outrage over Serrano's Piss Christ, or the huge kerfuffle in NYC over Chris Ofili's gorgeous Holy Virgin Mary because it was adorned with bejeweled elephant turds (which are considered symbols of divine fecundity in the artist's parents' country, Nigeria), as well as cut- out pictures of vaginas and buttocks (images that are traditionan in African paintings of female deities). http://faculty.dwc.edu/wellman/Ofilli.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/3/06 3:30 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Leon was arrested entering Switzerland, then he certainly did not pay a bribe, but a fine to the court. It's not impossible that if he was caught exiting Spain without declaring the money, That's what happened. that he did pay a bribe after being arrested, That too. Billy Clayton and Shannon Dickson flew to Madrid with a briefcase full of money which they handed over to some officials to get him out. I don't know why the officials didn't just take the money Leon was trying to smuggle. Maybe it was insufficient. Well, maybe insufficeint, but pocketing the original money would have been a problem for the bribe-happy Spanish officials, because there was a paper trail on the money they confiscated from Leon generated by the fact that they arrested him, and it would have either had to go on to trial or they would have had to return the money to Leon. By bringing in a new suitcase of money for the bribe, the officials just put the new loot in their pockets without issuing a receipt and then got a receipt from Leon or whoever when they returned the old money after dropping the charges in the interest of justice after a thorough investigation. but it's more likely that he would also have paid a legitimate fine to the Spanish court just as he would have in Switzerland (or the U.S., where penalties for failure to declare can be catastrophic -- they can seize all the money/etc not declared). The way I heard the story from Shannon, it didn't sound legitimate. Shannon didn't think it was. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Draft: vaishvaamitro madhuchandaa(?) RSiH
(Maharishi on Madhuchandas) agnimiile purohitaM a, i, (ii), [L] e ( = a + i), u, [R] o ( = a + u), i, a M ! a = RSi i = devataa u = chandas e = RSi + devataa o = RSi + chandas ?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An auspicious beginning
It's hard not to be cynical and make jokes about Jesus in cheese sandwiches and Mary on the side of office buildings, but let people enjoy what they will! --- anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love how clearly and succinctly you speak the truth! I had a similar thought but the way I though it was with a lot more sneer behind it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If purusha had arrived in July and an ice lingam appeared, then I'd be impressed ... but not in the dead of winter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From: Anthony Antimuro mailto:aantimuro@ To: Anthony Antimuro mailto:aantimuro@ Sent: 1/31/2006 1:27:43 PM Subject: FW: An auspicious beginning Dear Friends, Purusha has landed in the Land of Wholeness� as Maharishi is fond of calling Holland. There is a strong sense in the group that coming to be with Maharishi at this time is a very significant step forward in our evolution. And indeed the signs for it are very auspicious. Normally when Maharishi invites a group to be with him, he lets them rest a day or two to recoup from travel fatigue. So I was surprised when the message came on the day after we arrived that he wanted to meet with us. We are in bungalows in a resort park just 15 minutes drive from MERU. I was one of the first to arrive at Maharishi's magnificent wood house. It turned out he didn't call for us to meet with him, but to come see something that had appeared: an ice linga, the form of Shiva, the aspect of Silence within Natural Law. Purusha is that Silence within Natural Law so it is correlated with Shiva. The ice linga had appeared on the second floor ledge of Maharishi's house near where he has his living quarters. If you have seen a picture of his house you would have noticed a prominent sun room in the center of the second floor above the entrance. The linga appeared just to the left of that room. To see it, we actually went upstairs into the sun room, a very kind invitation that few have ever had the privilege of seeing. Gareth Wallace, who has an office downstairs, said he had never been upstairs. What makes this linga so unusual is that it appeared at all. Nothing like it had ever appeared on the house before. There was no snow on the roof, and no gutter from which to leak a drip. But there was a slight drip coming off the beam above. From where did so much water come? One could only guess. It seemed highly unlikely that enough water could have leaked under the roof and run off the beam, but somehow it did, making it all the more mysterious. At its highest the linga was about 14-15 tall. When we arrive late in the afternoon it was about half that. It was not clear ice but frosty white, and perfectly shaped as lingas seen in stone. The pandits had done puja to it so there were some flower petals around it. When Maharishi was told that the linga had appeared, the first thing he asked was if Purusha had arrived, and was told that yes, they had just arrived. So he took it to be a very auspicious sign that Shiva would give the blessing of an appearance at the time Purusha arrived. A VERY good start. Jai Guru Dev, Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, maybe insufficeint, but pocketing the original money would have been a problem for the bribe-happy Spanish officials, because there was a paper trail on the money they confiscated from Leon generated by the fact that they arrested him, and it would have either had to go on to trial or they would have had to return the money to Leon. By bringing in a new suitcase of money for the bribe, the officials just put the new loot in their pockets without issuing a receipt and then got a receipt from Leon or whoever when they returned the old money after dropping the charges in the interest of justice after a thorough | investigation. While true, it avoids the point of the discussion. The TM movement, which poses as proponents of and practitioners of Natural Law, was more than willing to smuggle money from country to country to avoid paying taxes and duties on it. I was personally asked several times during the time I worked for TM National in Los Angeles to smuggle suitcases of money from the US to Switzerland. I refused every time, *not* at the time because I was being moral but because I was more than aware that because of my hippy past and dossiers on me that existed with law-enforcement agencies I was the perfectly *wrong* person to do such a thing. What escaped me at the time was that the very thing I was being asked to do was bloody *wrong*, and that the organization that was asking me to do it was bloody *wrong* in *asking* me to do it. Even then (mid-70s), they had convinced themselves that they were so in tune with Natural Law that they had the right to violate actual law. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
on 2/3/06 5:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then (mid-70s), they had convinced themselves that they were so in tune with Natural Law that they had the right to violate actual law. I often got the feeling from Maharishi, and recent speeches seem to reflect this, that he didn't have much respect for the level of intelligence that formulated man-made laws. He considered man-made laws legitimate and worthy of his obedience to the degree that they conformed to Natural Law, and he considered his own desires and intentions to be a perfect expression of Natural Law. Thus, if a man-made law didn't jibe with his desire, he considered it a misguided hindrance to his higher purpose and had no qualms about violating it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] THE AITAREYA BRAHMANAM OF THE RIG VEDA
THE AITAREYA BRAHMANAM OF THE RIG VEDA translated by A.B. Keith Panchika I, Adhyaya I, verse 2. Bring hither N.N. (Androgynous Bioplasma. In Egyptian hieroglyphs, N. means water, pronounced both as On or Na. Two N's means the Double Water of conjoined male and female. This N.N. found in the most ancient Hindu shastra, demonstrates the common origins of both Egyptian and Hindu religions.) 3. Him they make into an Embryo again. The waters are seed (Genetic Efflux). Possessed of seed, they consecrate him. Fresh butter to the Embryos. I,IV:20. The breaths pertain to seed, urine and excrement. (We do not consider excrement to be a sacrament. We think it is a mistaken ancient inclusion to the list of Sacraments of Genetic Efflux. We include it here for reference only.) They are placed inside him. 21. ...By which ye did help N.N. I,IV:22. The cauldron is a Divine Pairing (of sexes). This seed is poured into Agni (fire, Holy Spirit, Kundalini) as the birthplace of the gods, as Generation. The birthplace of the gods is Agni...from the libations. (As John the Baptist said: I baptize you with water, but one comes after me who will baptize you with the fire of Holy Spirit.) II,I:2. The Na (N., On, water) of the gods is their Om. II,III:19. He conquers the highest world who knows thus, and...performs the child of the waters... 20. ...Mixing the milk with honey. (As the Holy Bible states: Moses will lead us to a land flowing with milk and honey.) I invite the waters, the goddesses. 22. An Asura (godly) woman (a Shakti Ma), named Long Tongue, licked the morning pressing of the gods. V,IV:22. ...Himself a sucking calf, sucking his mother... VII,IV:21. These two libations (male and female) are the prevention of decay. VII,V:29. ...Three foods - Soma, curds (yogurt) and water. 31. Assume the form of Holy Power. VIII,II:7. These (waters) healing all, these prosper the realm. 9. Thou (phallus) art a kindling stick with power and strength. Holy Power (Spirit), breathe Immortality, this N.N. (As we Hindus say: Eckongcar Sat Nam or Sita-Ram Sata-Nam. In Egyptian, it is called Eckankar, which logically became a name for Soul Travel. Two Nadis join as one at the Confluence of Rivers, known as the Inner Varanasi. This Androgynous Bioplasma, this Amrita of non- separation, is Advaitamrita.) VIII,III:14. Anointed with his great anointment, Indra won all victories, found all the worlds, attained superiority, preeminence, and supremacy, and...in Heaven, having obtained all desires, he became Immortal. VIII,IV:20. Curds is power. Honey is the sap. Ghee is brilliance. Water is Immortality. VIII,II:7. With these waters...which cure everything, increase the Royal Power. (Adepts are considered to be as gods or kings.) 8. Curds, honey, and melted butter...(are preferred dietary supplements during the fast on the secretions of one's spouse. As the Holy Bible states: Honey and butter will they eat, all those left in the land.) VIII,IV:20. (Soma) waters represent, in this world, the drink of Immortality (Amrita). PLEASE NOTE: This is not spam. No one is trying to lure you away from this group. No one is trying to recruit you or obtain money. This message has been posted at several groups, so it is doubtful I can respond to any questions posted at the group. Please email me with any enquiries. Hoping this is acceptable... Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
on 2/3/06 4:49 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That too. Billy Clayton and Shannon Dickson flew to Madrid with a briefcase full of money which they handed over to some officials to get him out. I don't know why the officials didn't just take the money Leon was trying to smuggle. Maybe it was insufficient. Well, maybe insufficeint, but pocketing the original money would have been a problem for the bribe-happy Spanish officials, because there was a paper trail on the money they confiscated from Leon generated by the fact that they arrested him, and it would have either had to go on to trial or they would have had to return the money to Leon. By bringing in a new suitcase of money for the bribe, the officials just put the new loot in their pockets without issuing a receipt and then got a receipt from Leon or whoever when they returned the old money after dropping the charges in the interest of justice after a thorough investigation. Sounds like an accurate assessment of the situation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: Well, maybe insufficeint, but pocketing the original money would have been a problem for the bribe-happy Spanish officials, because there was a paper trail on the money they confiscated from Leon generated by the fact that they arrested him, and it would have either had to go on to trial or they would have had to return the money to Leon. By bringing in a new suitcase of money for the bribe, the officials just put the new loot in their pockets without issuing a receipt and then got a receipt from Leon or whoever when they returned the old money after dropping the charges in the interest of justice after a thorough | investigation. While true, it avoids the point of the discussion. The TM movement, which poses as proponents of and practitioners of Natural Law, was more than willing to smuggle money from country to country to avoid paying taxes and duties on it. You are not providing any documentation that there are taxes and duties due on money leaving/entering the countries in question. There are no taxes or duties due on money/other financial instruments leaving the USA, and if you can cite any such fees imposed by other countries, please be my guest. I am assuming that the TMO simply did not want to go through all the hassles involved with declaration, until I see some proof that there are fees involved. I was personally asked several times during the time I worked for TM National in Los Angeles to smuggle suitcases of money from the US to Switzerland. I refused every time, *not* at the time because I was being moral but because I was more than aware that because of my hippy past and dossiers on me that existed with law-enforcement agencies I was the perfectly *wrong* person to do such a thing. What escaped me at the time was that the very thing I was being asked to do was bloody *wrong*, and that the organization that was asking me to do it was bloody *wrong* in *asking* me to do it. Even then (mid-70s), they had convinced themselves that they were so in tune with Natural Law that they had the right to violate actual law. There is harmful wrong and harmless wrong. This failure to declare was harmless. There is a famous story from India about a monk sitting at a crossroads when a panicked man runs by. A few minutes later, some bandits who were chasing him ask the monk what direction the man went in. To tell the factual truth would have been wrong, because it would have brought harm, so the monk lied and sent the bandits down the wrong road. Whatever is life-supporting is right, regardless of the facts, whatever is life-damaging is wrong, regardless of the facts. Of course, since you are only interested in spewing your contempt for TMers, these considerations of situational ethics won't mean anything to you, but practical people who want to accomplish something in a world as completely twisted as this is sometimes have to sidestep the bureaucracy. If the TMO did cheat any government out of tax revenue, that might be seen to be some harm, but there is no evidence that any taxes or fees were in fact due, just the fact that the TMO dodged declaration, which is due upon leaving many countries, including the USA, even though no taxes or fees are due on such entries/exits: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
In a message dated 2/3/06 3:01:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY Oh, but John Y, we need to be more tolerant of Muslims and their feelings after all, it is us that contaminated their holy soil buy stationing our troops in Saudi Arabia,infidel troops at that! So when the "faithful" feel some outrage from the publication of a graven image of "The Prophet"in a foreign culture, we need to suck it up andlearn to be more sensitive and caring even though they can laugh, dance, and sing in the streets when their heroes topple our buildings killing thousands of people minding their own business. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] the cartoons of the profit are found on DRUDGE on the inter net
www.drudgereport.com has lots of info on the cartoons support for free speech reactions to the cartoons etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Livingston Manor property Lake Shandalle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: The LM property TM own's is in L/M NY the lake is on the property. The lake is situated on the Eastern end of the property the new SV buildings are to be constructed on the eastern side of the lake @ present the buildings are all on the western side. Presently there are some 30- 40 people there of that some 25-35 Purusha coming going depending on family situations projects they may be working upon. In terms of # S most of the old buildings are now gone many burned in cooperation with local volunteer fire Dept's for there education after all scrap that may be useful for $. some remaining buildings are the main lobby dinning hall ,kitchen, executive new old celebrity, E. wing imperial, all connected to one another, Veda vision remains for directors housing some staff. Some of the small motor pool buildings remain a few sheds near the dining hall- kitchen was uses in the distant past as garage, the milk barn. All the others have been torn down removed etc. ** I think you've got this wrong. If buildings were to be constructed on the east side of the Lake, then a body of water would be on the west, which is inauspicious (water bodies should be on the east or north) according to Sthapathya Veda. http://tinyurl.com/7qw7s (you may have to zoom out to see the TMO's Livingston Manor property in relation to the Lake) My understanding is that the TMO only owns the land on the west side of the lake. On the east side, I think there are privately owned cottages that have been there for years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Livingston Manor property Lake Shandalle Perhaps I am incorrect NOT wrong
Right wrong refer to morality. I may well be incorrect there U may consult the map. I also now note they plan to build in the former golf course situated on their land out map to the north of the buildings remaining extending to the forest tract they ownto the NE. Thanks for the possible corrections. I am grateful for pointing out the perhaps error. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Hog Confinements: The All-Important Step 2 -- Writing our legislators!
Title: Hog Confinements: The All-Important Step 2 -- Writing our legislators! -- Forwarded Message From: JFAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:20:38 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The All-Important Step 2 -- Writing our legislators! Dear JFAN Supporter, In our 5-step Campaign to Regain Local Control of hog confinements, Step 1, Signing the Petition, was a huge success. The 2,000+ signatures you provided had a great impact when we delivered them in Des Moines! Now it's time for the most important action of all: Step 2--Writing Letters to Legislators. Please come to a quick, one-hour meeting Thursday, Feb. 9, at 7:30 p.m. at the Fairfield Middle School at Fillmore and Sixth St. We have all the materials to make it easy and painless for you to write brief, personal letters to key legislators at the meeting. You'll have bullet points and 3 sample letters you can draw on. We hear it from all over: Legislators DO pay attention to their mail! We can directly influence the Iowa legislature with masses of personal, hand-written letters. In these letters we'll simply be expressing our concerns about hog confinements and asking the lawmakers to support local control of hog confinements in Iowa. Local control was taken from us by the Iowa legislators in the 90's and only they can give it back. We are asking them to produce and pass legislation that will give Iowa counties control over the final approval process for the siting of hog confinements within their borders. Excerpts of two videos on factory farms will also be shown: And On This Farm, filmed in Lincoln Township, Missouri, discusses the economics of confinements and their impact on the environment and quality of life. The Pig Picture contains investigative footage of what a hog factory farm can be like. Both videos will really open your eyes to the problems with factory farms. They provide the best way to understand whats going on without having to travel around the state and and go into confinements yourself. Please make every effort to attend this meeting and get your letters written! As with the petition, our success depends entirely on our numbers. Let's jolt our legislators out of their comfort zones with another massive impact! Directions to the Middle School: Go south on Main Street and turn right (west) on Fillmore. The school is at the corner of 6th and Fillmore. See you then! Please bring a pen. Sincerely, JFAN Board Jefferson County Farmers and Neighbors, Inc. P.O. Box 811 Fairfield, IA 52556 641-209-1600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jfaniowa.org http://www.jfaniowa.org A review of JFAN's 5-step Campaign to Regain Local Control In addition to providing financial grants for several local legal cases, JFAN has a 5-step plan to educate state legislators about hog confinements and persuade them to pass legislation giving counties local control of confinement siting: 1. Recruiting signatures for a petition asking for a moratorium on construction of large confined animal feeding operations. DONE! 2,000+ collected! 2. A letter-writing campaign to state officials urging a return to local control on siting of CAFOs. Attend the Feb 9 meeting! 3. The JFAN Board will be contacting government officials in all towns in Jefferson County asking them to support a return to local control. 4. Production of a video documentary showing the many negative effects (health, economics, environment, etc.) of CAFOs. This video will be used in an attempt to convince legislators of the need to return to local control or put a moratorium into effect. 5. If necessary, present the degradation of quality of life caused by CAFOs to a national audience via the national media. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] How will the world be without Maharishi?
Global Press Conference, 1.2.06 How will the world be without Maharishi? MAHARISHI:It doesn`t matter. There is a phrase: `man is the master of his own destiny`. The destiny of every man doesn`t depend on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is the master of his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes on the lighted way, he`ll get to the target, he`ll get to the goal of the way. Those who don`t they don`t, that`s all. Man has the choice. Education is so very limited today. Whether this generation understands the words of Maharishi or not, - those who will understand will be better off. They will be the masters of their own destiny. Others will remain slaves of circumstances and situations. Doesn`t matter, Maharishi`s message does not remain limited to his physical body. This is the message that was there before the body of Maharishi and it will remain there when the body of Maharishi will not come up. These (the question) are waste of thoughts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/3/06 3:30 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Leon was arrested entering Switzerland, then he certainly did not pay a bribe, but a fine to the court. It's not impossible that if he was caught exiting Spain without declaring the money, That's what happened. that he did pay a bribe after being arrested, That too. Billy Clayton and Shannon Dickson flew to Madrid with a briefcase full of money which they handed over to some officials to get him out. I don't know why the officials didn't just take the money Leon was trying to smuggle. Maybe it was insufficient. but it's more likely that he would also have paid a legitimate fine to the Spanish court just as he would have in Switzerland (or the U.S., where penalties for failure to declare can be catastrophic -- they can seize all the money/etc not declared). The way I heard the story from Shannon, it didn't sound legitimate. Shannon didn't think it was. Smuggling money obviously isn't legitimate, but bribery was the usual way of handling court issues back then in Spain, or so I have gathered. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Ingegerd wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY You have seen them? I have not. The Magazine that published the drawings in Norway is so small, that I did not even know they exist - but the Militants in Palestine knew, and now they proclaim to kill innocent people from Scandinavia. I remember MMY once had some remarks on different relegions, saying that Veda is the source for all relegions. The oldest one is Hinduism and the youngest Islam. All relegions will fall, and the youngest will fall first. Not without a fight, I think. Ingegerd http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/ Scroll down to View controversial cartoons Well - well - well. To make all this noise about some cartoons - is amazing. No wonder that it is wars. Ingegerd ** Yeah, it's ridiculous, but let's not claim that it's only Muslims who are ridiculous. Christians get plenty bent when you mess with Jesus: http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_033162841.html That noisy? With pampleths, saying: Kill the Democracy (which gave me some associations) - kill all the Danish and Norwegian and French etc? By the way, Greenland did publish the cartoons. They do not expect any demonstrations - because only one Muslims live there. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
