[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, I have not read that one. It looks good. > > I think cognitve biases and logical fallacies are the > cornorstones to "magical thinking". (I appreciate your > recent cites and posts on such.) And magical interpretations > -- whether of experiences, "scriptures" or current events. > > Magical thinking (MT) takes one to the opposite cornor of > What Is. MT may bring some feel-good comfort to the soul, > and be the fuel for dreamers, but ultimately its illusion > and delusion. Sorry, dude, I know you like to swing your intellectual dick and all, and I guess that's fun if you get off on that sort of thing, but all of this is starting to sound a lot like "sour grapes" to me. That is, "I'm a little pissed off that others have had experiences I haven't, experiences that seem to push the envelope of 'rational thinking' and defy description in normal terms, so I'm going to declare anyone who can't describe his experiences in neat little boxes the way I like things described a 'dreamer' and lost in 'illusion.'" Uptight people have been doing this to mystics as long as there have been mystics. Mystics have been laughing at the uptight people for pretty much the same length of time. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Sad But True'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/06 3:42:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > babajii_99@ writes: > > > > > > Why the hell, would they buy a TM palace in the middle of > nowhere, in > > > Kansas of all places: the most boring place in the world; where > the > > > only thing they talk about is how the wind is blowing, today... > > > Really dumb, if you ask me; > > > How about Ann Arbor or a cool place like that, with some foxy > women > > > at least... > > > What the hell are we doing in Kansas, could someone please > explain > > > this to me; > > > I just don't get it... > > > They still burn witches at the stake there, are you kiddding? > > > Give me a break... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > Ahe, You don't get it? Geographic center of the 48 states > > > is the key here. The logic is, waves of coherence will be > > > generated from this location and like a pebble dropped into > > > water, the coherence will spread outward equally. Until it is > > > proven, it's a matter of faith. I also would imagine the fact > > > that there is not much to do would also help keep residents on > > > the program. > > > > > > Is it *really* gonna make that big a difference whether the alleged > > coherence comes from bumfuck Kansas instead of bumfuck Iowa, where > the > > TMO is already well established? Iowa has more water and better > > growing conditions for food production, and Fairfield is already > set > > up with an organic food infrastructure (I bet there isn't a block > of > > tofu within a hundred miles of Smith Center, Kansas.) Plus, the TMO > > has been in Fairfield long enough that Christian vs. Hindoo > conflict > > has died down to practically nothing. IMO, the whole Kansas deal > makes > > no sense at all. > > > > *** > > Speaking of no sense at all, a recent program on the Maharishi > Channel reveals that the TMO is currently petitioning the Canadian > government to grant it sovereignty over two islands off Nova Scotia > (the TMO has bought land on islands off the west coast of Canada, > too, and also around Niagara Falls). After numerous failed attempts > to gain sovereignty, they're still trying... > > Bob Brigante > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html > I heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like: If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere; Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Zarqawi reality show finally cancelled
http://billmon.org/archives/002464.htmlJune 08, 2006Entertainment News TonightThe Pentagon Channel today announced the cancellation of its long-running reality TV series, The Abu Zarqawi Hour, saying tonight's special-effects extravaganza, in which Keifer Sutherland and a team of secret agents trail the terrorist mastermind to his hideout and call in a massive airstrike, would be the show's last.The show originally piloted in 2003, and found a regular place in the Pentagon Channel's prime-time lineup in February 2004, replacing the widely panned sitcom Mission Accomplished, now in syndicated reruns on Fox News.The Abu Zarqawi Hour debuted to generally favorable reviews, with New York Times critic Dexter Filkins praising the show for its "imaginative" storytelling and "gritty" realism. However, ratings declined sharply in 2005, with many viewers complaining that the show's episodes, which frequently featured the death and/or capture of Zarqawi's closest lieutenants, had become repetitive and unimaginative.Critics reacted particularly negatively to this year's four-hour special, in which Zarqawi had obvious difficulty staying in character, and was unable to properly reload and fire his Kalishnikov rifle.Although some critics defended the sequence as a daring experiment in Brechtian alienation technique, most panned the performance, saying it made it extremely hard for the audience to believe that Zarqawi was actually a seasoned terrorist leader, instead of a paid actor pretending to be a terrorist.Doubts about the show's viability deepened in April, after Washington Post TV critic Tom Ricks questioned whether the supposedly spontaneous reality show was actually being scripted by its producers.Over the next few weeks, insiders say, Pentagon Channel executives determined that while the Zarqawi show still had a dedicated following of hardcore fans who would swallow any plot device, no matter how ludicrous, the series no longer made commercial or artistic sense. It was also believed that a spectacular and upbeat finale might lure viewers away from Haditha, the controversial docudrama now airing on the rival Reality Network.Network sources say the Pentagon Channel is weighing a possible sequel to the Abu Zarqawi Hour, featuring an identical plot but a completely different cast. The network and Zarqawi have permanently severed their relationship, these sources added, due to "irreconcilable creative differences."Pentagon Channel officials declined to respond to questions about a possible sequel, saying only that "all options are under consideration. Things related and not."Mr. Zarqawi was unavailable for comment.Posted by billmon at June 8, 2006 06:23 PM __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Bulls hold their ground!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/06 3:42:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > > babajii_99@ writes: > > > > > > > > Why the hell, would they buy a TM palace in the middle of > > nowhere, in > > > > Kansas of all places: the most boring place in the world; > where > > the > > > > only thing they talk about is how the wind is blowing, today... > > > > Really dumb, if you ask me; > > > > How about Ann Arbor or a cool place like that, with some foxy > > women > > > > at least... > > > > What the hell are we doing in Kansas, could someone please > > explain > > > > this to me; > > > > I just don't get it... > > > > They still burn witches at the stake there, are you kiddding? > > > > Give me a break... > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > Ahe, You don't get it? Geographic center of the 48 states > > > > is the key here. The logic is, waves of coherence will be > > > > generated from this location and like a pebble dropped into > > > > water, the coherence will spread outward equally. Until it is > > > > proven, it's a matter of faith. I also would imagine the fact > > > > that there is not much to do would also help keep residents on > > > > the program. > > > > > > > > > > Is it *really* gonna make that big a difference whether the > alleged > > > coherence comes from bumfuck Kansas instead of bumfuck Iowa, > where > > the > > > TMO is already well established? Iowa has more water and better > > > growing conditions for food production, and Fairfield is already > > set > > > up with an organic food infrastructure (I bet there isn't a block > > of > > > tofu within a hundred miles of Smith Center, Kansas.) Plus, the > TMO > > > has been in Fairfield long enough that Christian vs. Hindoo > > conflict > > > has died down to practically nothing. IMO, the whole Kansas deal > > makes > > > no sense at all. > > > > > > > *** > > > > Speaking of no sense at all, a recent program on the Maharishi > > Channel reveals that the TMO is currently petitioning the Canadian > > government to grant it sovereignty over two islands off Nova Scotia > > (the TMO has bought land on islands off the west coast of Canada, > > too, and also around Niagara Falls). After numerous failed attempts > > to gain sovereignty, they're still trying... > > > > Bob Brigante > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html > > > I heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like: > If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere; > Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... > Well NASA just approved the new external tank for the shuttle, maybe they'll be a new recertification course JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
"Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ding-Dong/al Zarqawi is Dead..!...!...!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/06 5:15:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > jflanegi@ writes: > > > > > > Also read an interesting statistic that among the named > > > terrorist groups in Iraq, Al Zarqawi's bunch was responsible for > > > just 14% of deaths attributed to such groups. > > > > > > Wow! Now I would like to know where that statistic comes from. > > > Do they interview members of each group and take body counts and > > > post them somewhere? Or maybe each group leaves a calling card > > > on each victim which is collected by the police so they can keep > > > score. > > > > As much as I'd like to just make stuff up like the Bush > > Adminstration and their lackeys do, you can read this for yourself > > at: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/kk3qp > > > > This comes from a publication called The Global Terrorism Analysis, > > who's editor comes from the Jane's Information Group, the 'ultimate > > source on defence, geopolitics, transport, and police.' I'm sure > > you've heard of them. > > > > Anyway, the statistic quoted begins in paragraph 7 of the > > article, "Al-Zarqawi's Rise to Power: Analyzing Tactics and > > Targets", on the url shown above. > > Jim, it doesn't look to me as though this article > says 14% of deaths were due to Zarqawi's attacks; > looks to me like it's 70%. The 14% figure is the > percentage of the Iraqi resistance made up of > Zarqawi's people--the point being that while his > group is relatively small, it's been *very* > effective at killing people: > > "Table 1 and Chart 1 (see below) provide several indications: Zarqawi > and his faction constitute only 14% of the total Iraqi resistance, > which clearly indicates that the network's size is limited and the > international media is largely responsible for exaggerating their > role. In addition, Zarqawi's tactics are dramatic as his faction > routinely resorts to suicide attacks. Suicide bombings by the Zarqawi > network, which make up 42.2% total suicide attacks in Iraq, have many > advantages, the most important of which are low cost, lack of need > for escape plans and media coverage. The percentage of suicide > attacks perpetrated by Zarqawi's faction to the overall number of > victims of other operations is 70% dead and 83.7% injured (see table > 2). The high rate of victims apparently proves the effectiveness of > the terrorist act (table 2 indicates that civilian victims of this > tactic are as high as 80%) and achieves a large media coverage." > Looks like a case of 'careful and accurate thinking' over 'spontaneous right action'. Good catch Judy. So much for the theory of spontaeous right action, right? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ding-Dong/al Zarqawi is Dead..!...!...!
In a message dated 6/8/06 11:04:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Traditionally, Iraqis have been far less suicidal than OBL's normal crew. One wonders how many home-grown suicide bombers there are in Iraq, rather than imports. Not many from what I've heard. Most seem to be imports, __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 3:18:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like:If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere;Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their living room until they leave. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/9/06 3:18:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like: > If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere; > Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... > > That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not welcomed, > dust off your shoes and park yourself in their living room until > they leave. Is the TMO setting up in Kansas so it can teach Kansans? Or is the purpose just a bit different? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ten [Observations] [aka Rules] for Being Human
Ten Rules for Being Human by Cherie Carter-Scott 1. You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's yours to keep for the entire period. 2. You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time informal school called, "life." 3. There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of trial, error, and experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a part of the process as the experiments that ultimately "work." 4. Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When you have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson. 5. Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are still lessons to be learned. 6. "There" is no better a place than "here." When your "there" has become a "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will again look better than "here." 7. Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or hate something about another person unless it reflects to you something you love or hate about yourself. 8. What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the tools and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The choice is yours. 9. Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions lie within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust. 10. You will forget all this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ding-Dong/al Zarqawi is Dead..!...!...!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/06 5:15:05 P.M. Central Daylight > > > > Time, flanegi@ writes: > > > > > > > > Also read an interesting statistic that among the named > > > > terrorist groups in Iraq, Al Zarqawi's bunch was responsible > > > > for just 14% of deaths attributed to such groups. > > Jim, it doesn't look to me as though this article > > says 14% of deaths were due to Zarqawi's attacks; > > looks to me like it's 70%. The 14% figure is the > > percentage of the Iraqi resistance made up of > > Zarqawi's people--the point being that while his > > group is relatively small, it's been *very* > > effective at killing people: > Looks like a case of 'careful and accurate thinking' > over 'spontaneous right action'. Good catch Judy. So much for the > theory of spontaeous right action, right? Huh?? Are you suggesting that a mistake in the relative can't be spontaneous right action from nature's perspective? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > Vaj neglected to include the intro he used when he posted this to a.m.t: http://tinyurl.com/mqynm "Mahesh "Maharishi" Varma and his "science" creative intelligence is not the only disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati supporting the Hindu version of Intelligent Design and Creation Science." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten [Observations] [aka Rules] for Being Human
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ten Rules for Being Human > > by Cherie Carter-Scott > > 1.You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's > yours to keep for the entire period. > 2.You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time informal > school called, "life." > 3.There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of trial, > error, and experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a > part of the process as the experiments that ultimately "work." > 4.Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be > presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When you > have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson. > 5.Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that > doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are > still lessons to be learned. > 6."There" is no better a place than "here." When your "there" has > become a "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will > again look better than "here." > 7.Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or hate > something about another person unless it reflects to you something you > love or hate about yourself. > 8.What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the tools > and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The choice > is yours. > 9.Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions lie > within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust. > 10. You will forget all this. Forget all what? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ding-Dong/al Zarqawi is Dead..!...!...!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/06 5:15:05 P.M. Central Daylight > > > > > Time, flanegi@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Also read an interesting statistic that among the named > > > > > terrorist groups in Iraq, Al Zarqawi's bunch was responsible > > > > > for just 14% of deaths attributed to such groups. > > > > Jim, it doesn't look to me as though this article > > > says 14% of deaths were due to Zarqawi's attacks; > > > looks to me like it's 70%. The 14% figure is the > > > percentage of the Iraqi resistance made up of > > > Zarqawi's people--the point being that while his > > > group is relatively small, it's been *very* > > > effective at killing people: > > > Looks like a case of 'careful and accurate thinking' > > over 'spontaneous right action'. Good catch Judy. So much for the > > theory of spontaeous right action, right? > > Huh?? > > Are you suggesting that a mistake in the relative can't > be spontaneous right action from nature's perspective? > Nope, I was referring to Jim's pronouncement that Zarqawi's branch was only causing 14% of the casualties, and his using that as a platform for his political views. At the same time I was thinking about Maharishi's pronouncements about enlightened leadership, king Tony et. all. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
> In a message dated 6/9/06 3:18:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like: > If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere; > Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not > welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their > living room until they leave. The impression I get is that the purpose of the Kansas facility is for a small group of Sidhas to radiate woowoo rays equally to the entire US population. I'd wager that there will be minimal interaction between the TMO and the Kansas locals if that facility is built. As for the point you raise, I don't think it's accurate. Fairfield certainly has no shortage of churches, so it's really not valid to portray the TMO as digging in until others leave; obviously Fairfield's Christian congregations *haven't* left. Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > Vaj neglected to include the intro he used when he posted this to > a.m.t: Guess he just forgot, huh? > http://tinyurl.com/mqynm > > "Mahesh "Maharishi" Varma and his "science" creative intelligence is > not the only disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati supporting the > Hindu version of Intelligent Design and Creation Science." And I asked him there whether he didn't think he could have been just a *bit* more misleading. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ding-Dong/al Zarqawi is Dead..!...!...!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/06 5:15:05 P.M. Central Daylight > > > > > > Time, flanegi@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Also read an interesting statistic that among the named > > > > > > terrorist groups in Iraq, Al Zarqawi's bunch was responsible > > > > > > for just 14% of deaths attributed to such groups. > > > > > > Jim, it doesn't look to me as though this article > > > > says 14% of deaths were due to Zarqawi's attacks; > > > > looks to me like it's 70%. The 14% figure is the > > > > percentage of the Iraqi resistance made up of > > > > Zarqawi's people--the point being that while his > > > > group is relatively small, it's been *very* > > > > effective at killing people: > > > > > Looks like a case of 'careful and accurate thinking' > > > over 'spontaneous right action'. Good catch Judy. So much for the > > > theory of spontaeous right action, right? > > > > Huh?? > > > > Are you suggesting that a mistake in the relative can't > > be spontaneous right action from nature's perspective? > > > > Nope, I was referring to Jim's pronouncement that Zarqawi's branch was > only causing 14% of the casualties, and his using that as a platform > for his political views. At the same time I was thinking about > Maharishi's pronouncements about enlightened leadership, king Tony > et. all. I'm afraid I'm not following. If you mean to suggest Jim's action wasn't spontaneously "right," I'd ask again: Is a mistake in the relative necessarily *not* spontaneous right action from nature's perspective? Jim's basic point was sound. He made one mistake in the details, and I happened to be there to pick up on it. He accepted the correction, and the record was set straight, plus he got to highlight the main point of what he was saying. No big deal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/9/06 3:18:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > babajii_99@ writes: > > > > > > heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like: > > If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere; > > Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not > > welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their > > living room until they leave. > > The impression I get is that the purpose of the Kansas > facility is for a small group of Sidhas to radiate woowoo > rays equally to the entire US population. I don't know that I've ever heard it expressed so perfectly, or so accurately. :-) > I'd wager that there will be minimal interaction > between the TMO and the Kansas locals if that facility > is built. I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their woowoo... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
On Jun 9, 2006, at 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In a message dated 6/9/06 3:18:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like: If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere; Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their living room until they leave. The impression I get is that the purpose of the Kansas facility is for a small group of Sidhas to radiate woowoo rays equally to the entire US population. I don't know that I've ever heard it expressed so perfectly, or so accurately. :-) Well his brother IS the King of Denver! But does his dominion include Kansas? Love that phrase: "woowoo rays."I'd wager that there will be minimal interactionbetween the TMO and the Kansas locals if that facilityis built.I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselvesto interacting with the locals; it would weaken theirwoowoo...I'd wager as soon as they figure out there is a competing creationist set-up in town (with better diagrams, videos and their own scientists)--with no Jesus in it--sparks will fly. Sounds like that may be happening already... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Mark Morford - left behind?
"I do not exactly know how the Christian right envisions Armageddon (though their new 'Left Behind' video game is a happily blood-drenched indicator), but here is how I've always pictured it: "Hordes of the ultra-pious, decked out in 'I (Heart) Jimmy Swaggart's Flop Sweat' T-shirts and black socks with sandals, rise to the heavens in giant peach-colored Ford Aerostars to gather in enormous hugging throngs where they are met by a wary and bleary-eyed St. Peter who offers them processed cold cuts and Kraft Singles and lukewarm Diet Dr. Pepper. "There are rusty swing sets with exposed bolts. There are inflatable pools. There is watery decaf coffee. There are large fleets of beige 1997 Honda Civics with cassette players locked down and preloaded with only Mariah Carey and Yanni. Everyone is slowly but surely driven giddily insane by the incessant harp music and the unmistakable scent of angel droppings. All thought ceases. "Yes, Jesus is there, smiling and rocking back and forth and looking just weirdly happy, and the minions gather 'round him in swooning, narcotized glee, everyone feeling more than a little justified for all their nasty deeds while on Earth, all the abortion clinic firebombings and all the protests of 'The Da Vinci Code' and that morally nauseating thing with Terry Schiavo back in '05. "Finally, finally they have arrived at a place where no one is having sex and no one wants to marry someone from their same gender and all experience has been filed down to a dull nub of vague, tasteless sensation as liquid Prozac is misted into the air via a giant Glade Plug-In the size of Florida. "Except something is a little off. Something is not quite right. Let us look closer." Full column at:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/06/09/notes060906.DTL&feed=rss.mmorford __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism? on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of MMY’s fellow disciples. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Don't forget to check the Rapture Index
http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Wayback
Title: Happy Birthday Wayback Today is “Wayback”’s birthday. Happy Birthday to her! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas on 6/9/06 9:42 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their woowoo... I'd wager as soon as they figure out there is a competing creationist set-up in town (with better diagrams, videos and their own scientists)--with no Jesus in it--sparks will fly. Sounds like that may be happening already... It’s worth mentioning that after all the decades of coexistence here in FF, there’s a pretty healthy overlap between the meditating and non-meditating communities, not only in companies but in social settings. Even some marriages. There are extremists at either end of the spectrum who won’t mingle, but perhaps a majority in the middle who will. Many of the mediating minglers are TMers who have become open-minded and eclectic in their approach to spirituality and life in general. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Wayback
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Today is ³Wayback²¹s birthday. Happy Birthday to her! > Thanks!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/9/06 9:42 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves > > > to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their > > > woowoo... > > > > I'd wager as soon as they figure out there is a competing > > creationist set-up in town (with better diagrams, videos > > and their own scientists)--with no Jesus in it--sparks > > will fly. Sounds like that may be happening already... > > It¹s worth mentioning that after all the decades of coexistence > here in FF, there¹s a pretty healthy overlap between the > meditating and non-meditating communities, not only in > companies but in social settings. Even some marriages. There > are extremists at either end of the spectrum who won¹t > mingle, but perhaps a majority in the middle who will. Many > of the mediating minglers are TMers who have become open-minded > and eclectic in their approach to spirituality and life in general. I don't doubt this about Fairfield. But my "wager" was based more on a feeling for what this Kansas place is likely to be like. Fairfield is a dynamic college town, with necessary interaction between Ru's and townies. But doncha get the feeling that anything built in this new Kansas place is basically going to be a retreat house, where the inhabitants basically hole up and butt-bounce for peace? Or am I off in this assumption? Has there been talk of actually creating something less like a rounding course facility and more like a real-world ocmmunity? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
On Jun 9, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 6/9/06 9:42 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselvesto interacting with the locals; it would weaken theirwoowoo...I'd wager as soon as they figure out there is a competing creationist set-up in town (with better diagrams, videos and their own scientists)--with no Jesus in it--sparks will fly. Sounds like that may be happening already...It’s worth mentioning that after all the decades of coexistence here in FF, there’s a pretty healthy overlap between the meditating and non-meditating communities, not only in companies but in social settings. Even some marriages. There are extremists at either end of the spectrum who won’t mingle, but perhaps a majority in the middle who will. Many of the mediating minglers are TMers who have become open-minded and eclectic in their approach to spirituality and life in general. That's FF--I had the impression that the place in KS was a more remote area. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas on 6/9/06 10:28 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't doubt this about Fairfield. But my "wager" was based more on a feeling for what this Kansas place is likely to be like. Fairfield is a dynamic college town, with necessary interaction between Ru's and townies. But doncha get the feeling that anything built in this new Kansas place is basically going to be a retreat house, where the inhabitants basically hole up and butt-bounce for peace? Or am I off in this assumption? Has there been talk of actually creating something less like a rounding course facility and more like a real-world ocmmunity? There’s talk of creating an organic farm, but as has been reported, that area is dry and drought-prone, so that will probably be a flop. It’s probably a moot point. I doubt anything will be built there, and if it is, who will occupy it? Maybe a few TBs from MUM will go down, but it will be hard to build a community. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
What "anti-Roo Christian ministry"? Sal On Jun 9, 2006, at 9:18 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of MMY¹s > fellow disciples. But as you know, MMY doesn't "embrace radical Hindu Creationism." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ten [Observations] [aka Rules] for Being Human
In a message dated 6/9/06 9:07:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED].> wrote:>> Ten Rules for Being Human> > by Cherie Carter-Scott> > 1. You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's> yours to keep for the entire period.> 2. You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time informal> school called, "life."> 3. There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of trial,> error, and experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a> part of the process as the experiments that ultimately "work."> 4. Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be> presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When you> have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson.> 5. Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that> doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are> still lessons to be learned.> 6. "There" is no better a place than "here." When your "there" has> become a "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will> again look better than "here."> 7. Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or hate> something about another person unless it reflects to you something you> love or hate about yourself.> 8. What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the tools> and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The choice> is yours.> 9. Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions lie> within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust.> 10. You will forget all this.Forget all what? Would be nice to start with a syllabus on each lesson. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 9:21:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: > That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not> welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their> living room until they leave.The impression I get is that the purpose of the Kansas facility is fora small group of Sidhas to radiate woowoo rays equally to the entireUS population. I'd wager that there will be minimal interactionbetween the TMO and the Kansas locals if that facility is built. As for the point you raise, I don't think it's accurate. Fairfieldcertainly has no shortage of churches, so it's really not valid toportray the TMO as digging in until others leave; obviouslyFairfield's Christian congregations *haven't* left. Hell, the anti-RooChristian ministry is prominently located right on Burlington Ave., ablock from the square! Well, you know the TMO people that move in there will also have to get involved in the local politics as they did in Fairfield. Smith Center seems to be a much smaller town than Fairfield and it sounds like to me the TMO people will have a stronger impact politically which may or may not have an effect on their welcome. Time will tell. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas on 6/9/06 11:01 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What "anti-Roo Christian ministry"? Sal He’s referring to the one Kai Drühl belongs to. A few doors west of Yummy’s. On Jun 9, 2006, at 9:18 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
> > > Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently > > > located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square! > > > > What "anti-Roo Christian ministry"? > > He¹s referring to the one Kai Drühl belongs to. A few doors > west of Yummy¹s. I don't know anything about either an anti-Roo ministry or someone named Kai Drühl, but I confessed to having had my socks charmed off that you've got a place in town called Yummy's. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 9:32:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselvesto interacting with the locals; it would weaken theirwoowoo... Bingo. And don't think the locals won't pick up on this. Just wait till some local extends a hand for a handshake and a *tater* either refuses to shake hands or touch the local, instead offering a pranam. I doubt the locals will ever see them as evil , but will definitely see them as odd or at least strange and probably will resent any interference in the local politics especially if it comes down to" them against us". __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently > > > > located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square! > > > > > > What "anti-Roo Christian ministry"? > > > > He¹s referring to the one Kai Drühl belongs to. A few doors > > west of Yummy¹s. > > I don't know anything about either an anti-Roo ministry > or someone named Kai Drühl, but I confessed to having > had my socks charmed off that you've got a place in > town called Yummy's. :-) That's where Kai Drühls. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ding-Dong/al Zarqawi is Dead..!...!...!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/06 5:15:05 P.M. Central Daylight > > > > > > Time, flanegi@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Also read an interesting statistic that among the named > > > > > > terrorist groups in Iraq, Al Zarqawi's bunch was responsible > > > > > > for just 14% of deaths attributed to such groups. > > > > > > Jim, it doesn't look to me as though this article > > > > says 14% of deaths were due to Zarqawi's attacks; > > > > looks to me like it's 70%. The 14% figure is the > > > > percentage of the Iraqi resistance made up of > > > > Zarqawi's people--the point being that while his > > > > group is relatively small, it's been *very* > > > > effective at killing people: > > > > > Looks like a case of 'careful and accurate thinking' > > > over 'spontaneous right action'. Good catch Judy. So much for the > > > theory of spontaeous right action, right? > > > > Huh?? > > > > Are you suggesting that a mistake in the relative can't > > be spontaneous right action from nature's perspective? > > > > Nope, I was referring to Jim's pronouncement that Zarqawi's branch was > only causing 14% of the casualties, and his using that as a platform > for his political views. At the same time I was thinking about > Maharishi's pronouncements about enlightened leadership, king Tony et. > all. > > JohnY > Time will tell whether the death of this zarqawi guy has any effect whatsoever on the violence, death and destruction in Iraq. I predict not. As to whether my posting, or pronouncement if you prefer, was a case of mistaken spontaneous right action (?!), I am entirely OK with you being the judge of that; The final arbiter, even; The whole enchilada; The enlightened sage prophet; The be all and end all; The divine oracle. Why? because that is reality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/9/06 3:18:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > babajii_99@ writes: > > > > > > > > > heard somewhere, the Jesus said something like: > > > If you're teaching is not welcomed, somewhere; > > > Then just dust off your shoes, and move on... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not > > > welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their > > > living room until they leave. > > > > The impression I get is that the purpose of the Kansas > > facility is for a small group of Sidhas to radiate woowoo > > rays equally to the entire US population. > > I don't know that I've ever heard it expressed so > perfectly, or so accurately. :-) > > > I'd wager that there will be minimal interaction > > between the TMO and the Kansas locals if that facility > > is built. > > I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves > to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their > woowoo... > Woo Woo! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 10:33:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or am I off in this assumption? Has there been talkof actually creating something less like a rounding course facility and more like a real-world ocmmunity? My impression is that it is to be a community along side another community and I think they will end up being more like oil and water. Of course they will try to be cordial toward one another, but I think there will always be some underlying strain between the two. The *taters* life style will always seem odd to the townies and so much of what the townies consider absolutely normal and natural has already been rejected by the *taters* as being yuckie. The real test will be how much will the new comers try to influence the local politics. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 10:44:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's FF--I had the impression that the place in KS was a more remote area. And smaller __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 11:56:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves> to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their> woowoo...>Woo Woo! I would like to nominate the term woo woo to be adopted as official Fairfield Life speak. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten [Observations] [aka Rules] for Being Human
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ten Rules for Being Human > > by Cherie Carter-Scott > > 1.You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's > yours to keep for the entire period. > 2.You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time informal > school called, "life." > 3.There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of trial, > error, and experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a > part of the process as the experiments that ultimately "work." > 4.Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be > presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When you > have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson. > 5.Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that > doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are > still lessons to be learned. > 6."There" is no better a place than "here." When your "there" has > become a "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will > again look better than "here." > 7.Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or hate > something about another person unless it reflects to you something you > love or hate about yourself. > 8.What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the tools > and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The choice > is yours. > 9.Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions lie > within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust. > 10. You will forget all this. > Good find- Thanks for posting this! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Real-Time Wolrd Statistics
http://www.worldometers.info/ (wait a bit and the counters will starts moving) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well his brother IS the King of Denver! But does his dominion > include Kansas? My understanding is that Kansas is actually Raja Wynne's territory, but Raja Stanley managed to pull off a coup d'etat and take over the Kansas project. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas on 6/9/06 11:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently > > > located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square! > > > > What "anti-Roo Christian ministry"? > > He’s referring to the one Kai Drühl belongs to. A few doors > west of Yummy’s. I don't know anything about either an anti-Roo ministry or someone named Kai Drühl, but I confessed to having had my socks charmed off that you've got a place in town called Yummy's. :-) it’s a bakery. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas on 6/9/06 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/9/06 9:32:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their woowoo... Bingo. And don't think the locals won't pick up on this. Just wait till some local extends a hand for a handshake and a *tater* either refuses to shake hands or touch the local, instead offering a pranam. Very few, if any, meditators would do anything like that. Even the most true blue roo is not above shaking hands. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 12:59:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well his brother IS the King of Denver! But does his dominion> include Kansas?My understanding is that Kansas is actually Raja Wynne's territory,but Raja Stanley managed to pull off a coup d'etat and take over theKansas project. Uh oh! This is how it starts! when M is gone, there will be disagreements over territory then the British will come in and set up one raja against another and end up taking the whole ball of wax. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/9/06 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 6/9/06 9:32:42 A.M. Central > Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> I'd wager that the residents won't lower > themselves > >> to interacting with the locals; it would weaken > their > >> woowoo... > > Bingo. And don't think the locals won't pick up on > this. Just wait till some > > local extends a hand for a handshake and a > *tater* either refuses to shake > > hands or touch the local, instead offering a > pranam. > > > Very few, if any, meditators would do anything like > that. Even the most true > blue roo is not above shaking hands. But how do you remove the townie juice that deletes the woowoo power? > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 1:12:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 6/9/06 9:32:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselvesto interacting with the locals; it would weaken theirwoowoo...Bingo. And don't think the locals won't pick up on this. Just wait till some local extends a hand for a handshake and a *tater* either refuses to shake hands or touch the local, instead offering a pranam. Very few, if any, meditators would do anything like that. Even the most true blue roo is not above shaking hands. Well, I guess things have changed over the years, I used to see it often enough. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't doubt this about Fairfield. But my "wager" was > based more on a feeling for what this Kansas place is > likely to be like. Fairfield is a dynamic college town, > with necessary interaction between Ru's and townies. > But doncha get the feeling that anything built in this > new Kansas place is basically going to be a retreat house, > where the inhabitants basically hole up and butt-bounce > for peace? That's certainly my impression. I'm picturing a remote, Branch Davidian-ish compound with marble cladding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
In a message dated 6/9/06 1:20:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But how do you remove the townie juice that deletesthe woowoo power? By wearing lots of rudraksha, silk clothes and Birkinstocks and keeping a distance from the townie juice. Of course incense and sprinkling water with a flower everywhere helps. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Find Rhymes, Similar Sounding Words, Related Words, homophones, Shakespeare, etc
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[FairfieldLife] BG VI 5: self is enemy and friend of self
VI 5: uddhared aatmanaatmaanaM naatmaanam avasaadayet aatmaiva hy aatmano bandhur aatmaiva ripur aatmanaH (without sandhi: uddharet; aatmanaa; aatmaanam; na; aatmaanam; avasaadayet; aatmaa; eva; hi; aatmanaH; badhuH; aatmaa; eva; ripuH; aatmanaH) Maharishi's translation: Let a man raise(uddharet: let him/her raise) his self (aatmaanam) by his Self (aatmanaa), let him/her not debase (na...avasaadayet) his Self (aatmaanam); he alone (aatmaa; eva;) indeed (hi) [is] his own (aatmanaH) friend (bandhuH) he alone (aatmaa; eva) his own (aatmanaH) enemy (ripuH). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > on 6/9/06 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/9/06 9:32:42 A.M. Central > > Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> I'd wager that the residents won't lower > > themselves > > >> to interacting with the locals; it would weaken > > their > > >> woowoo... > > > Bingo. And don't think the locals won't pick up on > > this. Just wait till some > > > local extends a hand for a handshake and a > > *tater* either refuses to shake > > > hands or touch the local, instead offering a > > pranam. > > > > > Very few, if any, meditators would do anything like > > that. Even the most true > > blue roo is not above shaking hands. > > But how do you remove the townie juice that deletes > the woowoo power? > drink it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- authfriend wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently > > > > > located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square! > > > > > > > > What "anti-Roo Christian ministry"? > > > > > > He¹s referring to the one Kai Drühl belongs to. A few doors > > > west of Yummy¹s. > > > > I don't know anything about either an anti-Roo ministry > > or someone named Kai Drühl, but I confessed to having > > had my socks charmed off that you've got a place in > > town called Yummy's. :-) > > That's where Kai Drühls. Thanks for omitting the winking emoticom. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hell, the anti-Roo Christian ministry is prominently > > > > > > located right on Burlington Ave., a block from the square! > > > > > > > > > > What "anti-Roo Christian ministry"? > > > > > > > > He¹s referring to the one Kai Drühl belongs to. A few doors > > > > west of Yummy¹s. > > > > > > I don't know anything about either an anti-Roo ministry > > > or someone named Kai Drühl, but I confessed to having > > > had my socks charmed off that you've got a place in > > > town called Yummy's. :-) > > > > That's where Kai Drühls. > > Thanks for omitting the winking emoticom. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of MMY¹s fellow > disciples. > Are you sure? MMY was one of SBS's youngest disciples, and he's approaching 90 or 95, depending on who you believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/9/06 9:42 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >> > >> I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves > >> to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their > >> woowoo... > > > > I'd wager as soon as they figure out there is a competing creationist set-up > > in town (with better diagrams, videos and their own scientists)--with no > > Jesus > > in it--sparks will fly. Sounds like that may be happening already... > > > It¹s worth mentioning that after all the decades of coexistence here in FF, > there¹s a pretty healthy overlap between the meditating and non-meditating > communities, not only in companies but in social settings. Even some > marriages. There are extremists at either end of the spectrum who won¹t > mingle, but perhaps a majority in the middle who will. Many of the mediating > minglers are TMers who have become open-minded and eclectic in their > approach to spirituality and life in general. > Especially the followers of Robin Carlson, your guru, and the rest of the former TBers, right? Durned few TBers of TM drop away from TM, and start following another guru, have actually become liberal, in my observation. The TBers that drop away from TM and become liberal, eschew gurus completely. The TBers that drop away from TM and find another guru are simply TBers of the new system/guru/whatever. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of MMY¹s > > fellow disciples. > > Are you sure? MMY was one of SBS's youngest disciples, and he's > approaching 90 or 95, depending on who you believe. Not at the same time, but Prakashanand was a disciple of Guru Dev. Of course, he's long since departed from what Guru Dev taught, but of course Vaj doesn't mention that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/9/06 10:28 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I don't doubt this about Fairfield. But my "wager" was > > based more on a feeling for what this Kansas place is > > likely to be like. Fairfield is a dynamic college town, > > with necessary interaction between Ru's and townies. > > But doncha get the feeling that anything built in this > > new Kansas place is basically going to be a retreat house, > > where the inhabitants basically hole up and butt-bounce > > for peace? > > > > Or am I off in this assumption? Has there been talk > > of actually creating something less like a rounding > > course facility and more like a real-world ocmmunity? > > > There¹s talk of creating an organic farm, but as has been reported, that > area is dry and drought-prone, so that will probably be a flop. It¹s > probably a moot point. I doubt anything will be built there, and if it is, > who will occupy it? Maybe a few TBs from MUM will go down, but it will be > hard to build a community. > I always laugh when I hear "drought prone". One man's drought is another man's excessive rainfall... There are plenty of cash crops in southern Arizona, even though it has less than 15 inches of rainfall a year, on average. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of MMY¹s > > fellow disciples. > > But as you know, MMY doesn't "embrace radical Hindu > Creationism." > More precisely, MMY's version of "radical Hindu Creationism" is likely different than the one touted in the article. Certainly, MMY can be described as a radical Hindu Fundamentalist... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/9/06 9:21:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDix > > That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not > > welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their > > living room until they leave. > > The impression I get is that the purpose of the Kansas facility is for > a small group of Sidhas to radiate woowoo rays equally to the entire > US population. I'd wager that there will be minimal interaction > between the TMO and the Kansas locals if that facility is built. > > As for the point you raise, I don't think it's accurate. Fairfield > certainly has no shortage of churches, so it's really not valid to > portray the TMO as digging in until others leave; obviously > Fairfield's Christian congregations *haven't* left. Hell, the anti-Roo > Christian ministry is prominently located right on Burlington Ave., a > block from the square! > > > > > Well, you know the TMO people that move in there will also have to get > involved in the local politics as they did in Fairfield. Smith Center seems > to be > a much smaller town than Fairfield and it sounds like to me the TMO people > will have a stronger impact politically which may or may not have an effect > on > their welcome. Time will tell. > Sigh, revisionist history is so interesting to watch. The current mayor of Fairfield practices TM and the TM-Sidhis. He replaced a guy who was mayor of Fairfield for about 20 more years AFTER MIU arrived on the scene. If you want an example of contrived interference in local politics by a spiritual organization, you look at Antelope, Oregon, AKA Rancho Rajneesh, NOT Fairfield, Iowa. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > Well his brother IS the King of Denver! But does his dominion > > include Kansas? > > My understanding is that Kansas is actually Raja Wynne's territory, > but Raja Stanley managed to pull off a coup d'etat and take over the > Kansas project. > Huh. Thought that the Kansas project was directly under John Hagelin's control... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Earl Kaplan sued (not by the TMO)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/9/06 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 6/9/06 9:32:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves > >> to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their > >> woowoo... > > Bingo. And don't think the locals won't pick up on this. Just wait till some > > local extends a hand for a handshake and a *tater* either refuses to shake > > hands or touch the local, instead offering a pranam. > > > Very few, if any, meditators would do anything like that. Even the most true > blue roo is not above shaking hands. > Hell, MMY used to hold Swami Satchadananda's hand and rest his other hand on Tatwalla's knee. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > > > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of MMY¹s > > > fellow disciples. > > > > But as you know, MMY doesn't "embrace radical Hindu > > Creationism." > > > > More precisely, MMY's version of "radical Hindu Creationism" is > likely different than the one touted in the article. As Vaj knows, MMY isn't even remotely a creationist in the sense described in the article, contrary to what his deliberately misleading subject heading implies. > Certainly, MMY can be described as a radical Hindu Fundamentalist... You could also describe him as Jewish if you wanted. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > I don't doubt this about Fairfield. But my "wager" was > > based more on a feeling for what this Kansas place is > > likely to be like. Fairfield is a dynamic college town, > > with necessary interaction between Ru's and townies. > > But doncha get the feeling that anything built in this > > new Kansas place is basically going to be a retreat house, > > where the inhabitants basically hole up and butt-bounce > > for peace? > > That's certainly my impression. I'm picturing a remote, Branch > Davidian-ish compound with marble cladding. > *** My guess is that, given that they can't get pundits into the U.S., they'll eventually settle for a mostly symbolic presence in the Kansas Brahmastan, as they evidently intend to do in most countries of the world: Dear Governors, sidhas and citizens of the Global Country of World Peace, Now we have to buy a few hectares or acres of land in the center point--Brahmasthan--of your country to be the center of prevention- oriented national administration by Total Natural Law; and in this way you will take the first step of the unification of all countries into one global name: Maharishi Global Finance of New York. We are sending you by separate email the exact coordinates of the Brahmasthan of your country. Because in almost every country the Brahmasthan will be a little bit away from the population, for the time being we will have our symbolic presence with our flag raised in the land we will acquire in the Brahmasthan, but our actual activity will be in opening schools colleges, and facilities of our medical health care system as well as building Fortune-Creating homes and places of work in the midst of the population of the country. Having obtained the Brahmasthan or even in the process of doing it, have a meeting of all of the Sidhas today or tomorrow or contact them personally immediately to inform them and get their support for the objective of creating groups of Yogic flyers in the country and inform us. In this we would have established a global organisation whose activities will be to create groups of Yogic Flyers everywhere raising the quality of national consciousness to a high level of integration, positivity, harmony and Peace. All these qualities together will raise the quality of national consciousness and its administration to a high level of invincibility. This is our responsibility when we have already created an invincible country. You must be aware that our Yogic flyers--400 in Holland--have already raised Holland's national consciousness and every day the signs of invincibility are being witnessed in the quality of Holland's consciousness. Raja Willem, the Raja of Holland and the Prime Minister of Global Country of World Peace in Holland, Dr. Paul Gelderloos are observing the signs of invincibility rising in Holland. You must have seen the reports in the Maharishi's Global Family Chat and very soon you will begin to receive in your country these daily reports of rising invincibility in Holland. Very soon with your efforts the national consciousness of your country will also rise to the ideal level of invincibility and you will be, with Holland, a rising star to guide the destiny of our family of nations. These days are very precious for us so please do everything day and night and achieve the desired goal with the help of all the Sidhas in your country. Jai Guru Dev. Dr. Benjamin Feldman Minister of Finance and Planning/Kuber, of the Global Country of World Peace Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 6/9/06 11:38 AM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/9/06 9:32:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves > > >> to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their > > >> woowoo... > > > Bingo. And don't think the locals won't pick up on this. Just wait till some > > > local extends a hand for a handshake and a *tater* either refuses to shake > > > hands or touch the local, instead offering a pranam. > > > > > Very few, if any, meditators would do anything like that. Even the most true > > blue roo is not above shaking hands. > > > > Hell, MMY used to hold Swami Satchadananda's hand and rest his > other hand on Tatwalla's knee. That's OK, they both had woowoo to burn. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > > > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of MMY¹s > > > fellow disciples. > > > > Are you sure? MMY was one of SBS's youngest disciples, and he's > > approaching 90 or 95, depending on who you believe. > > Not at the same time, but Prakashanand was a disciple of > Guru Dev. When? MMY was one of the youngest, and he was about 35-40 when Gurudev died in 1953. > > Of course, he's long since departed from what Guru Dev > taught, but of course Vaj doesn't mention that. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > > > > > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of > MMY¹s > > > > fellow disciples. > > > > > > But as you know, MMY doesn't "embrace radical Hindu > > > Creationism." > > > > > > > More precisely, MMY's version of "radical Hindu Creationism" is > > likely different than the one touted in the article. > > As Vaj knows, MMY isn't even remotely a creationist > in the sense described in the article, contrary to > what his deliberately misleading subject heading > implies. > > > Certainly, MMY can be described as a radical Hindu Fundamentalist... > > You could also describe him as Jewish if you wanted. > Well, no. MMY isn't Jewish. However, he believes that the Vedic literature is often (always?) literally true. The difference between him and OTHER Fundamentalist Hindus is in how he interprets them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > I don't doubt this about Fairfield. But my "wager" was > > based more on a feeling for what this Kansas place is > > likely to be like. Fairfield is a dynamic college town, > > with necessary interaction between Ru's and townies. > > But doncha get the feeling that anything built in this > > new Kansas place is basically going to be a retreat house, > > where the inhabitants basically hole up and butt-bounce > > for peace? > > That's certainly my impression. I'm picturing a remote, Branch > Davidian-ish compound with marble cladding. > http://uspeacegovernment.org/news/2006_04_brahmastan.html Three functions of the World Capital of Peace to make America invincible In his keynote address, Dr. Hagelin outlined the three central functions of the World Capital of Peace, which will make the nation invincible. Dr. Hagelin said the World Capital of Peace will serve as A coherence-creating center for a group of several hundred peace-creating experts who will enliven the Constitution of the Universe and promote integrated national consciousnessthe basis of prevention-oriented, problem-free administration A teaching center to train a new generation of leaders in Unified-Field based political science to prevent problems and promote life in harmony with natural law in all areas of society A broadcast center to radiate the world-transforming knowledge and programs of the US Peace Government via satellite and Internet webcast to the whole population Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > > > > > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of > > > > MMY¹s fellow disciples. > > > > > > Are you sure? MMY was one of SBS's youngest disciples, and he's > > > approaching 90 or 95, depending on who you believe. > > > > Not at the same time, but Prakashanand was a disciple of > > Guru Dev. > > When? MMY was one of the youngest, and he was about 35-40 when > Gurudev died in 1953. Prakashanand: "In Vrindaban, I experienced the direct Grace of Radha Rani, which was further elevated when I went to Barsana. So, in fact, Shree Radha Rani is my supreme Spiritual Master, although I had taken sannyas in a traditional Vedic way from Jagadguru Shankaracharya of Joshimath in 1950 at Allahabad." According to him, Guru Dev offered to make him his successor: "Keeping his devotional feelings deep in his heart, Swamiji continued his formal studies. At the age of twenty-one, in 1950, he entered the renounced order of sannyas. Seeing his esteem of renunciation and deep feeling of God-consciousness, in 1952, the Jagadguru Shankaracharya of Joshimath, one of the most renowned religious thrones of India, offered that Swamiji be the successor. He politely refused, saying that he had given his life for the service of Radha Rani so he could not live forever in Allahabad. His final desire was to go to Vrindaban." http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1995/9/1995-9-03.shtml So I guess they must have been there at the same time. >From that long essay on the Jyotirmath succession: "Another Swami has claimed that he was once offered the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya title, which he respectfully declined. This is Prakasananda Saraswati, who has set up an "International Society of Divine Love" and a Rasesvari Radharani temple, known as Barsana Dham, in Texas, USA. Although he was initiated into Sannyasa by Brahmananda Saraswati, his personal religious philosophy is Acintya Bhedabheda, associated with Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Gaudiya Vaishnavas. [10] This leads me to seriously suspect his claim of having been offered the Sankaracharya post." Note 10: "See the September 95 issue of Hinduism Today. [That's where the quotes above are from.--JS] There is also a website of Prakasananda Saraswati's organization, at http://www.isdl.org/html/swamiji.html. Close watchers claim that membership of ISDL is made up mostly of former TM followers, but Prakasananda's affiliation with Acintya Bhedabheda and Caitanya Mahaprabhu also probably attracts ex-ISKCON members. Prakasananda Saraswati also represents an interesting contemporary example of how a person can be a Dasanami Sannyasin and still not be an Advaita Vedantin." http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html This is the dude, by the way, that ColdBlueIce was always talking about over on alt.m.t. To call MMY a "fellow disciple" of Prakashanand to imply they have similar beliefs is really just inexcusably misleading. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > on 6/9/06 7:41 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Another" disciple besides whom, Vaj? > > > > > > > > > > > Besides MMY. The swami interviewed in the article was one of > > MMY¹s > > > > > fellow disciples. > > > > > > > > But as you know, MMY doesn't "embrace radical Hindu > > > > Creationism." > > > > > > > > > > More precisely, MMY's version of "radical Hindu Creationism" is > > > likely different than the one touted in the article. > > > > As Vaj knows, MMY isn't even remotely a creationist > > in the sense described in the article, contrary to > > what his deliberately misleading subject heading > > implies. > > > > > Certainly, MMY can be described as a radical Hindu Fundamentalist... > > > > You could also describe him as Jewish if you wanted. > > Well, no. MMY isn't Jewish. However, he believes that the Vedic > literature is often (always?) literally true. I'm not convinced that's the case in many areas. Has he ever said evolutionary theory is wrong, for example? The difference between him and OTHER Fundamentalist Hindus is in how he > interprets them. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas on 6/9/06 3:46 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always laugh when I hear "drought prone". One man's drought is another man's excessive rainfall... There are plenty of cash crops in southern Arizona, even though it has less than 15 inches of rainfall a year, on average. Because you irrigate, right? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas on 6/9/06 3:44 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It’s worth mentioning that after all the decades of coexistence here in FF, > there’s a pretty healthy overlap between the meditating and non-meditating > communities, not only in companies but in social settings. Even some > marriages. There are extremists at either end of the spectrum who won’t > mingle, but perhaps a majority in the middle who will. Many of the mediating > minglers are TMers who have become open-minded and eclectic in their > approach to spirituality and life in general. > Especially the followers of Robin Carlson, There aren’t any. your guru, and the rest of the former TBers, right? Yes. They tend to be more open-minded than those on campus. Durned few TBers of TM drop away from TM, and start following another guru, have actually become liberal, in my observation. Then your observation is very limited (probably to Tucson) and therefore incorrect. The TBers that drop away from TM and become liberal, eschew gurus completely. Some do; most don’t. The TBers that drop away from TM and find another guru are simply TBers of the new system/guru/whatever. Some are. Most tend to be more objective and to move in the direction of being able to examine their assumptions. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another SBS disciple embraces radical Hindu Creationism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not convinced that's the case in many areas. > Has he ever said evolutionary theory is wrong, for > example? > When asked who was correct Evolutionists or Fundamentalists (god created man with no intermediate steps), he said "Both are right". He takes Yuga ages as literally true. (Sort of the inverse of the Christian problem of 6000 years. Fundamentalist Hindus would hold human societies way way before the many branches of science find any evidence - direct or indirect) MMY used to hold that humans had two identical nervous systems (not to be confused with sympathetic,para-symopatheic, or two hemespheres of brain, etc. He said not to all that. "Its two identical nervous systems"). And thats how CC could be maintained. One in silence, the other in activity. I think the idea comes from Hindu scripture. Castes, role of women, vedic kings, Age of Rama .. all pretty Hindu fundamentalist ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/9/06 11:56:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I'd wager that the residents won't lower themselves > > > to interacting with the locals; it would weaken their > > > woowoo... > > > > Woo Woo! > > I would like to nominate the term woo woo to be adopted as > official Fairfield Life speak. Ja, mon. Woo woo really *gets* it, in a way that few other terms and buzzwords suggested here do. Woo woo really encapulates the feeling that many of us have for the Force (in a Starwars-ian sense that we really feel) about this whole incarnational thang. I just had dinner tonight with a group of people who included Robert Crumb and his wife Aline, her boyfriend Christian, two of my ex-es, both from the Rama trip, two other women from the Rama Maharshi trip, and a couple of others from Traditions Not Yet Identified, and Lawd knows who else. It's just an indecipherable cipher, that thang that brings us all together, and causes us to smile at many of the same things. Long may it run...Woo woo forever... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
We all make them. To the extent that we are aware of their existence and structure, we can avoid them in our own internal reasoning, and in communications. Whoever has more than 20 in any post, gets a gallon of woowoo juice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases Cognitive bias is distortion in the way we perceive reality (see also cognitive distortion). Some of these have been verified empirically in the field of psychology, others are considered general categories of bias. This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. Decision making and behavioral biases Many of these biases are studied for how they affect belief formation and business decisions and scientific research * Bandwagon effect - the tendency to do (or believe) things because many other people do (or believe) the same. * Bias blind spot - the tendency not to compensate for one's own cognitive biases. * Choice-supportive bias - the tendency to remember one's choices as better than they actually were. * Confirmation bias - the tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. * Congruence bias - the tendency to test hypotheses exclusively through direct testing * Contrast effect - the enhancement or diminishment of a weight or other measurement when compared with recently observed contrasting object. * Disconfirmation bias - the tendency for people to extend critical scrutiny to information which contradicts their prior beliefs and accept uncritically information that is congruent with their prior beliefs. * Endowment effect - the tendency for people to value something more as soon as they own it. * Focusing effect - prediction bias occurring when people place too much importance on one aspect of an event; causes error in accurately predicting the utility of a future outcome. * Hyperbolic discounting - the tendency for people to have a stronger preference for more immediate payoffs relative to later payoffs, the closer to the present both payoffs are. * Illusion of control - the tendency for human beings to believe they can control or at least influence outcomes which they clearly cannot. * Impact bias - the tendency for people to overestimate the length or the intensity of the impact of future feeling states. * Information bias - the tendency to seek information even when it cannot affect action * Loss aversion - the tendency for people to strongly prefer avoiding losses over acquiring gains (see also sunk cost effects) * Neglect of Probability - the tendency to completely disregard probability when making a decision under uncertainty. * Mere exposure effect - the tendency for people to express undue liking for things merely because they are familiar with them. * Color psychology - the tendency for cultural symbolism of certain colors to affect affective reasoning. * Omission Bias - The tendency to judge harmful actions as worse, or less moral than equally harmful omissions (inactions.) * Outcome Bias - the tendency to judge a decision by its eventual outcome instead of based on the quality of the decision at the time it was made. * Planning fallacy - the tendency to underestimate task-completion times. * Post-purchase rationalization - the tendency to persuade oneself through rational argument that a purchase was good value. * Pseudocertainty effect - the tendency to make risk-averse choices if the expected outcome is positive, but risk-seeking choices to avoid negative outcomes. * Rosy retrospection - the tendency to rate past events more positively than they had actually rated them when the event occurred. * Selective perception - the tendency for expectations to affect perception. * Status quo bias - the tendency for people to like things to stay relatively the same. * Von Restorff effect - the tendency for an item that "stands out like a sore thumb" to be more likely to be remembered than other items. * Zeigarnik effect - the tendency for people to remember uncompleted or interrupted tasks better than completed ones. * Zero-risk bias - preference for reducing a small risk to zero over a greater reduction in a larger risk. Biases in probability and belief Many of these biases are often studied for how they affect business and economic decisions and how they affect experimental research. * Affective forecasting Affective forecasting is the forecasting of one's affect (emotional state) in the future. This kind of prediction is affected by various kinds of cognitive biases, i.e. systematic errors of thought. Daniel Gilbert of the department of social psychology at Harvard University and other researchers in the field, such as Timothy Wilson of the University of Virginia and George Loewenstein of Carnegie Mellon University, have studied those cognitive biases and given them names like "empathy gap"
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We all make them. To the extent that we are aware of their > existence and structure, we can avoid them in our own internal > reasoning, and in communications. > > Whoever has more than 20 in any post, gets a gallon of woowoo juice. Just as a question, has it never occurred to you that each of these 'categories' below is just the rational mind's way of refusing to believe its own subjective experience, and thus its way of refusing to deal with the reality of Here And Now? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases > > Cognitive bias is distortion in the way we perceive reality (see also > cognitive distortion). > > Some of these have been verified empirically in the field of > psychology, others are considered general categories of bias. > > This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy > certain standards for completeness. > > Decision making and behavioral biases > > Many of these biases are studied for how they affect belief formation > and business decisions and scientific research > > * Bandwagon effect - the tendency to do (or believe) things > because many other people do (or believe) the same. > * Bias blind spot - the tendency not to compensate for one's own > cognitive biases. > * Choice-supportive bias - the tendency to remember one's choices > as better than they actually were. > * Confirmation bias - the tendency to search for or interpret > information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. > * Congruence bias - the tendency to test hypotheses exclusively > through direct testing > * Contrast effect - the enhancement or diminishment of a weight or > other measurement when compared with recently observed contrasting object. > * Disconfirmation bias - the tendency for people to extend > critical scrutiny to information which contradicts their prior beliefs > and accept uncritically information that is congruent with their prior > beliefs. > * Endowment effect - the tendency for people to value something > more as soon as they own it. > * Focusing effect - prediction bias occurring when people place > too much importance on one aspect of an event; causes error in > accurately predicting the utility of a future outcome. > * Hyperbolic discounting - the tendency for people to have a > stronger preference for more immediate payoffs relative to later > payoffs, the closer to the present both payoffs are. > * Illusion of control - the tendency for human beings to believe > they can control or at least influence outcomes which they clearly cannot. > * Impact bias - the tendency for people to overestimate the length > or the intensity of the impact of future feeling states. > * Information bias - the tendency to seek information even when it > cannot affect action > * Loss aversion - the tendency for people to strongly prefer > avoiding losses over acquiring gains (see also sunk cost effects) > * Neglect of Probability - the tendency to completely disregard > probability when making a decision under uncertainty. > * Mere exposure effect - the tendency for people to express undue > liking for things merely because they are familiar with them. > * Color psychology - the tendency for cultural symbolism of > certain colors to affect affective reasoning. > * Omission Bias - The tendency to judge harmful actions as worse, > or less moral than equally harmful omissions (inactions.) > * Outcome Bias - the tendency to judge a decision by its eventual > outcome instead of based on the quality of the decision at the time it > was made. > * Planning fallacy - the tendency to underestimate task-completion > times. > * Post-purchase rationalization - the tendency to persuade oneself > through rational argument that a purchase was good value. > * Pseudocertainty effect - the tendency to make risk-averse > choices if the expected outcome is positive, but risk-seeking choices > to avoid negative outcomes. > * Rosy retrospection - the tendency to rate past events more > positively than they had actually rated them when the event occurred. > * Selective perception - the tendency for expectations to affect > perception. > * Status quo bias - the tendency for people to like things to stay > relatively the same. > * Von Restorff effect - the tendency for an item that "stands out > like a sore thumb" to be more likely to be remembered than other items. > * Zeigarnik effect - the tendency for people to remember > uncompleted or interrupted tasks better than completed ones. > * Zero-risk bias - preference for reducing a small risk to zero > over a greater reduction in a larger risk. > > > Biases in probability and belief > > Many of these biases are often studied for how they affect business > and economic decisions and how they affect experimental research. > > *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
Excellent post. Are you hip to Gilovitch's book: How We Know What isn't So, The fallibility of human reason in everyday life? He studies human cognitive error at Cornell. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0029117062/sr=8-1/qid=1149893839/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We all make them. To the extent that we are aware of their existence > and structure, we can avoid them in our own internal reasoning, and in > communications. > > Whoever has more than 20 in any post, gets a gallon of woowoo juice. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases > > Cognitive bias is distortion in the way we perceive reality (see also > cognitive distortion). > > Some of these have been verified empirically in the field of > psychology, others are considered general categories of bias. > > This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy > certain standards for completeness. > > > > Decision making and behavioral biases > > Many of these biases are studied for how they affect belief formation > and business decisions and scientific research > > * Bandwagon effect - the tendency to do (or believe) things > because many other people do (or believe) the same. > * Bias blind spot - the tendency not to compensate for one's own > cognitive biases. > * Choice-supportive bias - the tendency to remember one's choices > as better than they actually were. > * Confirmation bias - the tendency to search for or interpret > information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. > * Congruence bias - the tendency to test hypotheses exclusively > through direct testing > * Contrast effect - the enhancement or diminishment of a weight or > other measurement when compared with recently observed contrasting object. > * Disconfirmation bias - the tendency for people to extend > critical scrutiny to information which contradicts their prior beliefs > and accept uncritically information that is congruent with their prior > beliefs. > * Endowment effect - the tendency for people to value something > more as soon as they own it. > * Focusing effect - prediction bias occurring when people place > too much importance on one aspect of an event; causes error in > accurately predicting the utility of a future outcome. > * Hyperbolic discounting - the tendency for people to have a > stronger preference for more immediate payoffs relative to later > payoffs, the closer to the present both payoffs are. > * Illusion of control - the tendency for human beings to believe > they can control or at least influence outcomes which they clearly cannot. > * Impact bias - the tendency for people to overestimate the length > or the intensity of the impact of future feeling states. > * Information bias - the tendency to seek information even when it > cannot affect action > * Loss aversion - the tendency for people to strongly prefer > avoiding losses over acquiring gains (see also sunk cost effects) > * Neglect of Probability - the tendency to completely disregard > probability when making a decision under uncertainty. > * Mere exposure effect - the tendency for people to express undue > liking for things merely because they are familiar with them. > * Color psychology - the tendency for cultural symbolism of > certain colors to affect affective reasoning. > * Omission Bias - The tendency to judge harmful actions as worse, > or less moral than equally harmful omissions (inactions.) > * Outcome Bias - the tendency to judge a decision by its eventual > outcome instead of based on the quality of the decision at the time it > was made. > * Planning fallacy - the tendency to underestimate task-completion > times. > * Post-purchase rationalization - the tendency to persuade oneself > through rational argument that a purchase was good value. > * Pseudocertainty effect - the tendency to make risk-averse > choices if the expected outcome is positive, but risk-seeking choices > to avoid negative outcomes. > * Rosy retrospection - the tendency to rate past events more > positively than they had actually rated them when the event occurred. > * Selective perception - the tendency for expectations to affect > perception. > * Status quo bias - the tendency for people to like things to stay > relatively the same. > * Von Restorff effect - the tendency for an item that "stands out > like a sore thumb" to be more likely to be remembered than other items. > * Zeigarnik effect - the tendency for people to remember > uncompleted or interrupted tasks better than completed ones. > * Zero-risk bias - preference for reducing a small risk to zero > over a greater reduction in a larger risk. > > > Biases in probability and belief > > Many of these biases are often studied for how they affect business > and economic decisions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
"May the woowoo be with you"? Hmmm... Sal On Jun 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Woo woo really encapulates the feeling that many of us have for the Force (in a Starwars-ian sense that we really feel) about this whole incarnational thang.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
Did your insight occur to you before you read the post -- or after actually reading it? Hoping its the latter, perhaps you can provide some examples of specific cognitive biases and logical fallacies that that you have found in your own personal experience that have helped you to validate your perceptions and the interpretations of your subjective experiences -- and thus allowing you to deal even more effectively with the reality of Here And Now. I have found just the opposite in my life. I find cognitive biases and logical fallacies to dim and distort what IS. By becoming aware of the existence and structure of cognitive biases and logical fallacies I find I appreicate and live what IS more fully, right NOW. And I want to thank you for your writings. They are a virtual paradise of examples of cognitive biases and logical fallacies -- a playground to sharpen anybody's wits. That such keep you grounded in what IS, right now -- well only attests to the glory of creation -- that opposite practices can result in the same fruit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > We all make them. To the extent that we are aware of their > > existence and structure, we can avoid them in our own internal > > reasoning, and in communications. > > > > Whoever has more than 20 in any post, gets a gallon of woowoo juice. > > Just as a question, has it never occurred to you > that each of these 'categories' below is just the > rational mind's way of refusing to believe its > own subjective experience, and thus its way of > refusing to deal with the reality of Here And Now? > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases > > > > Cognitive bias is distortion in the way we perceive reality (see also > > cognitive distortion). > > > > Some of these have been verified empirically in the field of > > psychology, others are considered general categories of bias. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten [Observations] [aka Rules] for Being Human
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > Ten Rules for Being Human > > > > by Cherie Carter-Scott > > > > 1. You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's > > yours to keep for the entire period. > > 2. You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time > informal > > school called, "life." > > 3. There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of > trial, > > error, and experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a > > part of the process as the experiments that ultimately "work." > > 4. Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be > > presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When > you > > have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson. > > 5. Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that > > doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are > > still lessons to be learned. > > 6. "There" is no better a place than "here." When your "there" > has > > become a "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will > > again look better than "here." > > 7. Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or > hate > > something about another person unless it reflects to you something > you > > love or hate about yourself. > > 8. What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the > tools > > and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The > choice > > is yours. > > 9. Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions > lie > > within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust. > > 10. You will forget all this. > > > Good find- Thanks for posting this! > +++ This sounds like a rerun of some of Donald Shimoda's handbook. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten [Observations] [aka Rules] for Being Human
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > > wrote: > > > > > > Ten Rules for Being Human > > > > > > by Cherie Carter-Scott > > > > > > 1.You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's > > > yours to keep for the entire period. > > > 2.You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full- time > > informal > > > school called, "life." > > > 3.There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of > > trial, > > > error, and experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a > > > part of the process as the experiments that ultimately "work." > > > 4.Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be > > > presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When > > you > > > have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson. > > > 5.Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that > > > doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are > > > still lessons to be learned. > > > 6."There" is no better a place than "here." When your "there" > > has > > > become a "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will > > > again look better than "here." > > > 7.Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or > > hate > > > something about another person unless it reflects to you something > > you > > > love or hate about yourself. > > > 8.What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the > > tools > > > and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The > > choice > > > is yours. > > > 9.Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions > > lie > > > within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust. > > > 10. You will forget all this. > > > > > Good find- Thanks for posting this! > > > +++ This sounds like a rerun of some of Donald Shimoda's handbook. N. > "...some of Donald...'s handbook..." Yeah, I liked it because it is short, and yet complete... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
No, I have not read that one. It looks good. I think cognitve biases and logical fallacies are the cornorstones to "magical thinking". (I appreciate your recent cites and posts on such.) And magical interpretations -- whether of experiences, "scriptures" or current events. Magical thinking (MT) takes one to the opposite cornor of What Is. MT may bring some feel-good comfort to the soul, and be the fuel for dreamers, but ultimately its illusion and delusion. In my reading / interpretation (we all make interpretations) of various hindu-related scriptures, a sharp intellect and the ability to finely discriminate are cited valuable tools in uncovering what is real and what is unreal. Discrimination of what is Real and Unreal. Discrimination between Buddhi and Purusha and all. Knowing the existence and structure of cognitve biases and logical fallacies, being able to readily indentify them and avoid them are part of that sharpening process. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Excellent post. Are you hip to Gilovitch's book: How We Know What > isn't So, The fallibility of human reason in everyday life? He studies > human cognitive error at Cornell. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0029117062/sr=8-1/qid=1149893839/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > We all make them. To the extent that we are aware of their existence > > and structure, we can avoid them in our own internal reasoning, and in > > communications. > > > > Whoever has more than 20 in any post, gets a gallon of woowoo juice. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases > > > > Cognitive bias is distortion in the way we perceive reality (see also > > cognitive distortion). > > > > Some of these have been verified empirically in the field of > > psychology, others are considered general categories of bias. > > > > This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy > > certain standards for completeness. > > > > > > > > Decision making and behavioral biases > > > > Many of these biases are studied for how they affect belief formation > > and business decisions and scientific research > > > > * Bandwagon effect - the tendency to do (or believe) things > > because many other people do (or believe) the same. > > * Bias blind spot - the tendency not to compensate for one's own > > cognitive biases. > > * Choice-supportive bias - the tendency to remember one's choices > > as better than they actually were. > > * Confirmation bias - the tendency to search for or interpret > > information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. > > * Congruence bias - the tendency to test hypotheses exclusively > > through direct testing > > * Contrast effect - the enhancement or diminishment of a weight or > > other measurement when compared with recently observed contrasting > object. > > * Disconfirmation bias - the tendency for people to extend > > critical scrutiny to information which contradicts their prior beliefs > > and accept uncritically information that is congruent with their prior > > beliefs. > > * Endowment effect - the tendency for people to value something > > more as soon as they own it. > > * Focusing effect - prediction bias occurring when people place > > too much importance on one aspect of an event; causes error in > > accurately predicting the utility of a future outcome. > > * Hyperbolic discounting - the tendency for people to have a > > stronger preference for more immediate payoffs relative to later > > payoffs, the closer to the present both payoffs are. > > * Illusion of control - the tendency for human beings to believe > > they can control or at least influence outcomes which they clearly > cannot. > > * Impact bias - the tendency for people to overestimate the length > > or the intensity of the impact of future feeling states. > > * Information bias - the tendency to seek information even when it > > cannot affect action > > * Loss aversion - the tendency for people to strongly prefer > > avoiding losses over acquiring gains (see also sunk cost effects) > > * Neglect of Probability - the tendency to completely disregard > > probability when making a decision under uncertainty. > > * Mere exposure effect - the tendency for people to express undue > > liking for things merely because they are familiar with them. > > * Color psychology - the tendency for cultural symbolism of > > certain colors to affect affective reasoning. > > * Omission Bias - The tendency to judge harmful actions as worse, > > or less moral than equally harmful omissions (inactions.) > > * Outcome Bias - the tendency to judge a decision by its eventual > > outcome instead of based on the quality of the decision at the time it > > was made. > > * Planning fallacy - the tendency
[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
And may we stay clear of the weewee. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "May the woowoo be with you"? Hmmm... > > Sal > > > On Jun 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Woo woo really encapulates the feeling that many > > of us have for the Force (in a Starwars-ian sense > > that we really feel) about this whole incarnational > > thang. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slight revision to interface...
> Hey! I take back part of my rant. The 'noob' in > question > *was* assigned to work on the Search engine, and > seems > to have done a pretty good job of improving it. > Praise > where praise is due. It has its bugs. If you search for '7.1', it will replace your search string with '7 1' and fail to find what you are looking for. --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > And now the message list uses that clunky thing. > Someone is > > > using he entire Yahoo community as an > alpha-tester, it seems... > > > > Exactly. Rather than working on what's broke (the > search > > engine, the inability of the default Web text > editor > > to deal gracefully with wrapped text or long line > lengths, > > etc.), they put some noob of a programmer to work > "fixing" > > what wasn't broke. And then they release it, still > untested, > > with no announcement or explanation. > > > > Somebody at Yahoo! deserves to be fired over this > one. > > It's the latest "New Coke" of software > development. > > Hey! I take back part of my rant. The 'noob' in > question > *was* assigned to work on the Search engine, and > seems > to have done a pretty good job of improving it. > Praise > where praise is due. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! > your home page now. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
Thanks, I have enjoyed many of your posts. The term "magical thinking" seems to be a moving target for me in relationship with communicating with others. I know where I draw this line, but I think everyone has there own line to draw here. It seems more useful as a concept of self discovery, but in the context of communicating with people with different beliefs it seems harsh. This is coming from a guy who has used this term often and freely in the past! I don't think it works as well in a group like this where people are thoughtfully choosing this line for themselves. What do you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, I have not read that one. It looks good. > > I think cognitve biases and logical fallacies are the cornorstones to > "magical thinking". (I appreciate your recent cites and posts on > such.) And magical interpretations -- whether of experiences, > "scriptures" or current events. > > Magical thinking (MT) takes one to the opposite cornor of What Is. MT > may bring some feel-good comfort to the soul, and be the fuel for > dreamers, but ultimately its illusion and delusion. > > In my reading / interpretation (we all make interpretations) of > various hindu-related scriptures, a sharp intellect and the ability > to finely discriminate are cited valuable tools in uncovering what is > real and what is unreal. Discrimination of what is Real and Unreal. > Discrimination between Buddhi and Purusha and all. Knowing the > existence and structure of cognitve biases and logical fallacies, > being able to readily indentify them and avoid them are part of that > sharpening process. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Excellent post. Are you hip to Gilovitch's book: How We Know What > > isn't So, The fallibility of human reason in everyday life? He studies > > human cognitive error at Cornell. > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0029117062/sr=8-1/qid=1149893839/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > > wrote: > > > > > > We all make them. To the extent that we are aware of their existence > > > and structure, we can avoid them in our own internal reasoning, and in > > > communications. > > > > > > Whoever has more than 20 in any post, gets a gallon of woowoo juice. > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases > > > > > > Cognitive bias is distortion in the way we perceive reality (see also > > > cognitive distortion). > > > > > > Some of these have been verified empirically in the field of > > > psychology, others are considered general categories of bias. > > > > > > This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy > > > certain standards for completeness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Decision making and behavioral biases > > > > > > Many of these biases are studied for how they affect belief formation > > > and business decisions and scientific research > > > > > > * Bandwagon effect - the tendency to do (or believe) things > > > because many other people do (or believe) the same. > > > * Bias blind spot - the tendency not to compensate for one's own > > > cognitive biases. > > > * Choice-supportive bias - the tendency to remember one's choices > > > as better than they actually were. > > > * Confirmation bias - the tendency to search for or interpret > > > information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. > > > * Congruence bias - the tendency to test hypotheses exclusively > > > through direct testing > > > * Contrast effect - the enhancement or diminishment of a weight or > > > other measurement when compared with recently observed contrasting > > object. > > > * Disconfirmation bias - the tendency for people to extend > > > critical scrutiny to information which contradicts their prior beliefs > > > and accept uncritically information that is congruent with their prior > > > beliefs. > > > * Endowment effect - the tendency for people to value something > > > more as soon as they own it. > > > * Focusing effect - prediction bias occurring when people place > > > too much importance on one aspect of an event; causes error in > > > accurately predicting the utility of a future outcome. > > > * Hyperbolic discounting - the tendency for people to have a > > > stronger preference for more immediate payoffs relative to later > > > payoffs, the closer to the present both payoffs are. > > > * Illusion of control - the tendency for human beings to believe > > > they can control or at least influence outcomes which they clearly > > cannot. > > > * Impact bias - the tendency for people to overestimate the length > > > or the intensity of the impact of future feeling states. > > > * Information bias - the tendency to seek information even when it > > > cannot affect action > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
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[FairfieldLife] Re: mounting concerns about TM org in Kansas
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDix > > > That teaching seems to evolved to: if your teaching is not > > > welcomed, dust off your shoes and park yourself in their > > > living room until they leave. > > > > The impression I get is that the purpose of the Kansas facility is for > > a small group of Sidhas to radiate woowoo rays equally to the entire > > US population. I'd wager that there will be minimal interaction > > between the TMO and the Kansas locals if that facility is built. > > > > As for the point you raise, I don't think it's accurate. Fairfield > > certainly has no shortage of churches, so it's really not valid to > > portray the TMO as digging in until others leave; obviously > > Fairfield's Christian congregations *haven't* left. Hell, the anti-Roo > > Christian ministry is prominently located right on Burlington Ave., a > > block from the square! > > > > > > > > > > Well, you know the TMO people that move in there will also have to get > > involved in the local politics as they did in Fairfield. Smith Center seems to be > > a much smaller town than Fairfield and it sounds like to me the TMO people > > will have a stronger impact politically which may or may not have an effect on > > their welcome. Time will tell. > > > > Sigh, revisionist history is so interesting to watch. The current mayor of Fairfield practices > TM and the TM-Sidhis. He replaced a guy who was mayor of Fairfield for about 20 more > years AFTER MIU arrived on the scene. MIU moved to Fairfield in 1974- so that's 34 years... > > If you want an example of contrived interference in local politics by a spiritual > organization, you look at Antelope, Oregon, AKA Rancho Rajneesh, NOT Fairfield, Iowa. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slight revision to interface...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hey! I take back part of my rant. The 'noob' in > > question > > *was* assigned to work on the Search engine, and > > seems > > to have done a pretty good job of improving it. > > Praise > > where praise is due. > > It has its bugs. If you search for '7.1', it will > replace your search string with '7 1' and fail to find > what you are looking for. There's also no way to look for a phrase. It looks for each word in the phrase separately. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Help Jonathan Schwamm -- Come To His Moving Sale Saturday (TOMORROW)
Help Jonathan & Anne Marie Schwamm -- Come To Their Moving Sale This Saturday, June 10th (and Sunday also) 8 a.m. to 4 p.m., 302 West Madison As you may have heard, Jonathan Schwamm is back at University of Iowa Hospital in Intensive Care. His heart started beating 150 beats a minute yesterday, and he is undergoing a procedure this evening to try to bring his heart back to normal. The house that Jonathan and Anne Marie were renting has sold, and they have to move out of their house by June 16th. They are moving into one room at The Raj Manor (the building behind the Raj). Therefore, they have to sell most of their furniture, kitchen stuff, other belongings, etc. Anne Marie is with Jonathan in Intensive Care this weekend, and they have asked me and some of their other friends to run their moving sale for them -- since they cannot do it themselves. They had planned this sale for the last few weeks, and then Jonathan had to go to the hospital unexpectedly. They have a lot of very nice things for sale, and this is a way you can help them financially and also help them move. The main items for sale are listed below. MOVING SALE: Saturday, June 10th 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. 302 West Madison (2 story white house) Park on 3rd street -- parking on Madison is not allowed. (The sale will continue on Sunday, June 11th, 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.). Please forward this email to everyone you know who knows Jonathan and Anne Marie. Thank you for your help, and we look forward to seeing you at their moving sale. Jai Guru Dev, Powell Woods 209-6585 == - Original Message - From: Anne Marie To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@snug.pobox.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Our moving sale on Saturday, June 10th Dear Friends We invite you to come to our moving sale on Saturday, June 10th, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. Our address is 302 West Madison - Please park on 3rd street. We are moving to only one room at the Raj Manor and need to clear some of our belongings. Here are some of the things we have for sale: - 1 large Mahogany finish office desk $195 - Amana washer and dryer 10years old -excellent condition $175 - Large solid oak antique dresser- very unusual and attractive 72" x 19.5" $200 - New Alpaca blanket - King size - never been used $75 - Hand made solid oak small cabinet $50 - Spiritual and Vedic Books - Picture frames - Spiritual Photos and pictures - Framed spiritual photos and pictures - Vedic devata posters - NEW Rudraksha Beads - Television - Television stand - 4 line phones - Lady's Camel hair coat- beige -size 10 -worn 2-3 times $50 - A few pairs of lady shoes- new - size 8 and 8 1/2 - Purses - Lamps - Salad Master cutter - Kitchenwares, pots, dishes, etc - Lazy susan and many other items that you may find in an household and in the famous Schwamm Emporium! We hope to see you here even for a short visit. Love, Jonathan and Anne Marie __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
Curtis, I agree with the general point that using words in discussions with others that have a perjorative connonation -- to them -- is not usually helpful to the tone and fruitfulness of the discussion. Often this occurs when there is not a common understanding of meaning. Reading your recent posts /cites from Kurtz helped me sharpen up my definition of "magical thinking" -- as I hope, perhaps naievly (that they read it), it has for others And I don't think the term is necessarily pejoritive when understood. Some ascribe to its merits and value, others do not. Its becomes a simple statement of fact about someones mode of inquiry for one who has "an actual ignorance of the natural causes of events in question, ... the assumption that, in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause. ... These two factors in conjunction allow for the development of ad hoc explanations, often relying upon an assumption that correlation demonstrates causation. ... This magical thinking is certainly irrational, in that it deliberately bases conclusions upon a clear lack of demonstrable evidence and without regard for logical coherence or consistency. ... but why are people tempted to accept these stories? The explanation is twofold - first our innate creativity, and second our penchant for seeking patterns. Together, they can lead people to false beliefs. " (Kurtz) There are those on this list that openly proclaim, or demonstrate a strong belief in via, their writings that: 1) correlation demonstrates causation 2) in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause 3) personal experience is the highest knowledge and should be left pure, unexamined and undiluted with issues such as multiple possible interpretations of personal experience, scientific testing of relvant paramters associated with the experience, examination of potential perceptual and cognitive biases in recalling, describing the experience, logical inconsistencies in experiential attributes, actions, etc. 4) being immersed in biased cognition and logical traps are useful in discerning what is Real and what is Unreal -- and an aid to Being Here Now. 5) Paradox is in everything, thus logical consistency in any realm is impossible 6) stangers' inner states and motives can be clearly discerned from some select sample of their writing, 7) Scripture is literally true, regardless of logic, scientific evidence, and alternative views of interpretation (e.g., allegorical vs literal) 8) etc. All of these are characteristics of "magical thinking" and magical belief systems, IMO. Perhaps, if some object to the name "magical thinking", we can call it Type A thinking. And rational, logical, conistent, fact-based, causal, bias-minimized inquiry, thinking, belief systems and findings -- in domains where they are applicable -- as Type B thinking. But regardless of names, people tend to cluser around these two poles -- with some variations of course. I made the point earlier that cognitve biases and logical fallacies are a cornorstone of magical thinking, or as I have termed it, Type A thinking. This idea needs more development, but seems resonate with John Schumaker, as quoted by Kurtz, " Humans tend to corrupt their visions of reality, in order to survive in a world that they cannot fully comprehend." That is Type A's may be quite happy with cognitve biases and logical fallacies if it is more soothing and comfortable than facing What IS, Now. Kurtz goes on, "It is only in recent human history that the species has gradually been able to overcome mythological explanations. Philosophy and metaphysics emerged, attempting to account for the world of change and flux in terms of rational explanations; modern science succeeded where pure speculation failed, by using powerful cognitive methods of experimental verification and mathematical inference. What had been shrouded in mystery was now explicable in terms of natural causes. Diseases did not have Satanic origins, but natural explanations and cures. The weather could be interpreted, not as a product of divine wrath or favor, but in meteorological terms. Nature could be accounted for by locating the natural causes of phenomena. Astrology's heavenly omens and signs were replaced by the regularities discernible by physics and astronomy. Science abandons occult for material causes. " All of these schrouds could be viewed broadly as cognitve biases and errors. And they have been dismantled in part by strong logical and reasoning. Kurtz adds, "Thus there has been a continuous retreat of magical thinking under the onslaught of cognitive inquiry. The same methods of inquiry used so successfully in the natural sciences, were extended to biology and the social sciences. Science thus continues to make progress by using rigorous methods of naturalistic inquiry." And they can and should be applied to "subjective sciences" -- the realms o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
Thanks for the well thought-out post. I dig Paul Kurtz ,and as I posted before, his books helped me sort out my perspective options when I changed my view on what the epistemological implications of transcendent experiences. I'm glad you got my point about communication. I can't imagine anyone relating to the term as applied to themselves. I can apply it to stuff I used to believe quite comfortably. But I don't think you can get around the pejorative implications. It connotes false belief anyway we slice it. Anyway you got my point. We all have our own goals here. I don't assume I know what yours are. But I do enjoy the material you are presenting. I also dig that here I get versions of beliefs that I do not necessarily share, but which remind me that thoughtful people are putting their world view together with different tools, and it stretches me to hear it. So do we know each other from the old days? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis, >I agree with the general point that using words in discussions with > others that have a perjorative connonation -- to them -- is not > usually helpful to the tone and fruitfulness of the discussion. Often > this occurs when there is not a common understanding of meaning. > Reading your recent posts /cites from Kurtz helped me sharpen up my > definition of "magical thinking" -- as I hope, perhaps naievly (that > they read it), it has for others > > And I don't think the term is necessarily pejoritive when understood. > Some ascribe to its merits and value, others do not. Its becomes a > simple statement of fact about someones mode of inquiry for one who has > "an actual ignorance of the natural causes of events in question, > ... the assumption that, in the absence of an obvious natural cause, > there must be an unknown and un-natural cause. ... These two factors > in conjunction allow for the development of ad hoc explanations, often > relying upon an assumption that correlation demonstrates causation. > ... This magical thinking is certainly irrational, in that it > deliberately bases conclusions upon a clear lack of demonstrable > evidence and without regard for logical coherence or consistency. ... > but why are people tempted to accept these stories? The explanation is > twofold - first our innate creativity, and second our penchant for > seeking patterns. Together, they can lead people to false beliefs. " > (Kurtz) > > There are those on this list that openly proclaim, or demonstrate a > strong belief in via, their writings that: > > 1) correlation demonstrates causation > > 2) in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an > unknown and un-natural cause > > 3) personal experience is the highest knowledge and should be left > pure, unexamined and undiluted with issues such as multiple possible > interpretations of personal experience, scientific testing of relvant > paramters associated with the experience, examination of potential > perceptual and cognitive biases in recalling, describing the > experience, logical inconsistencies in experiential attributes, > actions, etc. > > 4) being immersed in biased cognition and logical traps are useful in > discerning what is Real and what is Unreal -- and an aid to Being Here > Now. > > 5) Paradox is in everything, thus logical consistency in any realm is > impossible > > 6) stangers' inner states and motives can be clearly discerned from > some select sample of their writing, > > 7) Scripture is literally true, regardless of logic, scientific > evidence, and alternative views of interpretation (e.g., allegorical > vs literal) > > 8) etc. > > All of these are characteristics of "magical thinking" and magical > belief systems, IMO. > > Perhaps, if some object to the name "magical thinking", we can call it > Type A thinking. And rational, logical, conistent, fact-based, > causal, bias-minimized inquiry, thinking, belief systems and findings > -- in domains where they are applicable -- as Type B thinking. But > regardless of names, people tend to cluser around these two poles -- > with some variations of course. > > > I made the point earlier that cognitve biases and logical fallacies > are a cornorstone of magical thinking, or as I have termed it, Type A > thinking. This idea needs more development, but seems resonate with > John Schumaker, as quoted by Kurtz, " Humans tend to corrupt their > visions of reality, in order to survive in a world that they cannot > fully comprehend." That is Type A's may be quite happy with cognitve > biases and logical fallacies if it is more soothing and comfortable > than facing What IS, Now. > > > Kurtz goes on, "It is only in recent human history that the species > has gradually been able to overcome mythological explanations. > Philosophy and metaphysics emerged, attempting to account for the > world of change and flux in terms of rational explanations; modern > scien
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kurtz goes on, "It is only in recent human history that the species > has gradually been able to overcome mythological explanations. > Philosophy and metaphysics emerged, attempting to account for the > world of change and flux in terms of rational explanations; modern > science succeeded where pure speculation failed, by using powerful > cognitive methods of experimental verification and mathematical > inference. What had been shrouded in mystery was now explicable in > terms of natural causes. Diseases did not have Satanic origins, but > natural explanations and cures. The weather could be interpreted, > not as a product of divine wrath or favor, but in meteorological > terms. Nature could be accounted for by locating the natural causes > of phenomena. Astrology's heavenly omens and signs were replaced by > the regularities discernible by physics and astronomy. Science > abandons occult for material causes." I don't think he's thought these points through very well, or at least he isn't explaining them clearly. He seems to be saying, for example, that the "magical thinking" of astrology was replaced by scientific knowledge of the regularity of the motions of the heavenly bodies, when in fact the "omens and signs" of astrology are grounded in very detailed and precise observation of that regularity. Kurtz appears to believe that astrology could exist only as long as folks thought the movements were random, when in fact it exists *because* their regularity had been observed and detailed records of it kept. Moreover, the still more detailed and precise knowledge made possible by science doesn't *obviate* astrology, it just gives astrology more precise and detailed tools to make its predictions and identify its omens and signs. Likewise, weather can be interpreted in meteorological terms, but that doesn't somehow negate the notion that there are divine forces behind it. Similarly with disease. "Magical thinking" of the type he's talking about can easily adapt to greater scientific knowledge of the phenomena it's concerned with. Science doesn't wipe it out or make it make it untenable. If magical thinking is untenable, it isn't because of science. > All of these schrouds could be viewed broadly as cognitve biases and > errors. And they have been dismantled in part by strong logical and > reasoning. Not the three examples he mentions. > Kurtz adds, "Thus there has been a continuous retreat of magical > thinking under the onslaught of cognitive inquiry. The same methods > of inquiry used so successfully in the natural sciences, were > extended to biology and the social sciences. Science thus continues > to make progress by using rigorous methods of naturalistic inquiry." > > And they can and should be applied to "subjective sciences" I agree, but I very seriously doubt that Kurtz would. I have to say, based on these excerpts, at least, that Kurtz's thinking in this area is rather strikingly limited. -- the > realms of personal experience, where among other things, logic, the > rooting out of interpretative and cognitive errors and biases, can > lead to a much truer interpretation of subjective experience. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
I think I understand your point about Kurtz and astrology. Astrology's heavenly omens and signs were replaced by > > the regularities discernible by physics and astronomy. Science > > abandons occult for material causes." His other examples seem clearer. He may mean that the focus on planets shifted from the value-laden astrological interpretation of the meaning of planetary motion, to the measurable physical motions focus of modern astronomy. But I think he makes this point poorly for Vedic astrology which obviously focuses on planetary motion as well as they could with the tools they had. The case for western astrology seems better. In western astrology the 30 degree arch system is a complete fabrication and does not relate to the physical positions of the stars and planets. Here the focus is on the convenience of a simple consistent system and abandons the regularities discernible by physics and astronomy. Perhaps he needs a better editor...know any? I'll give your other points some more thought. I was interested in these points but I can't figure out what I think yet: And they can and should be applied to "subjective sciences" > > I agree, but I very seriously doubt that Kurtz would. > > I have to say, based on these excerpts, at least, that > Kurtz's thinking in this area is rather strikingly > limited --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > Kurtz goes on, "It is only in recent human history that the species > > has gradually been able to overcome mythological explanations. > > Philosophy and metaphysics emerged, attempting to account for the > > world of change and flux in terms of rational explanations; modern > > science succeeded where pure speculation failed, by using powerful > > cognitive methods of experimental verification and mathematical > > inference. What had been shrouded in mystery was now explicable in > > terms of natural causes. Diseases did not have Satanic origins, but > > natural explanations and cures. The weather could be interpreted, > > not as a product of divine wrath or favor, but in meteorological > > terms. Nature could be accounted for by locating the natural causes > > of phenomena. Astrology's heavenly omens and signs were replaced by > > the regularities discernible by physics and astronomy. Science > > abandons occult for material causes." > > I don't think he's thought these points through > very well, or at least he isn't explaining them > clearly. He seems to be saying, for example, that > the "magical thinking" of astrology was replaced > by scientific knowledge of the regularity of the > motions of the heavenly bodies, when in fact the > "omens and signs" of astrology are grounded in > very detailed and precise observation of that > regularity. > > Kurtz appears to believe that astrology could exist > only as long as folks thought the movements were > random, when in fact it exists *because* their > regularity had been observed and detailed records > of it kept. > > Moreover, the still more detailed and precise > knowledge made possible by science doesn't *obviate* > astrology, it just gives astrology more precise and > detailed tools to make its predictions and identify > its omens and signs. > > Likewise, weather can be interpreted in meteorological > terms, but that doesn't somehow negate the notion > that there are divine forces behind it. Similarly > with disease. > > "Magical thinking" of the type he's talking about > can easily adapt to greater scientific knowledge > of the phenomena it's concerned with. Science > doesn't wipe it out or make it make it untenable. > If magical thinking is untenable, it isn't because > of science. > > > All of these schrouds could be viewed broadly as cognitve biases and > > errors. And they have been dismantled in part by strong logical and > > reasoning. > > Not the three examples he mentions. > > > Kurtz adds, "Thus there has been a continuous retreat of magical > > thinking under the onslaught of cognitive inquiry. The same methods > > of inquiry used so successfully in the natural sciences, were > > extended to biology and the social sciences. Science thus continues > > to make progress by using rigorous methods of naturalistic inquiry." > > > > And they can and should be applied to "subjective sciences" > > I agree, but I very seriously doubt that Kurtz would. > > I have to say, based on these excerpts, at least, that > Kurtz's thinking in this area is rather strikingly > limited. > > > -- the > > realms of personal experience, where among other things, logic, the > > rooting out of interpretative and cognitive errors and biases, can > > lead to a much truer interpretation of subjective experience. > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think I understand your point about Kurtz and astrology. > > Astrology's heavenly omens and signs were replaced by > > > the regularities discernible by physics and astronomy. Science > > > abandons occult for material causes." > > His other examples seem clearer. He may mean that the focus on > planets shifted from the value-laden astrological interpretation of > the meaning of planetary motion, to the measurable physical motions > focus of modern astronomy. Perhaps; the way you put it makes more sense, but I'm not sure how significant a point it is. Why is the shift away from values and toward measurement a Good Thing, necessarily? Why can't there be both? > But I think he makes this point poorly for > Vedic astrology which obviously focuses on planetary motion as well > as they could with the tools they had. The case for western > astrology seems better. In western astrology the 30 degree arch > system is a complete fabrication and does not relate to the > physical positions of the stars and planets. Here the focus is on > the convenience of a simple consistent system and abandons the > regularities discernible by physics and astronomy. I'm not sure I'd say it's a "complete fabrication"; it's just based on a different frame of reference. It is a more human-centered one, though, so in that sense you could say it was less scientific. > Perhaps he needs a better editor...know any? Heh... > I'll give your other points some more thought. > > I was interested in these points but I can't figure out what I think yet: > > And they can and should be applied to "subjective sciences" > > > > I agree, but I very seriously doubt that Kurtz would. You might enjoy Ken Wilber's discussion of "subjective science" in his book "Eye to Eye." (It's one of his older works, but it holds up very well, I think.) He makes the case for the basic principles of the scientific method being applicable to the exploration of subjective experience--not in terms of measuring physiological correlates, a la TM, but purely on a subjective level. He's quite rigorous about it. I'd love to hear Kurtz's response. > > I have to say, based on these excerpts, at least, that > > Kurtz's thinking in this area is rather strikingly > > limited I'm finding it hard to nail down my own reaction, and I don't have the time now to spend trying to analyze it. It's in the general area of his apparent feeling that science somehow trumps "magical thinking," that the two can't coexist, and I just think that's incorrect. Be interested to hear anything you come up with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
Thanks for your thoughts and inputs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: I don't think he's thought these points through > very well, or at least he isn't explaining them > clearly. He seems to be saying, for example, that > the "magical thinking" of astrology was replaced > by scientific knowledge of the regularity of the > motions of the heavenly bodies, when in fact the > "omens and signs" of astrology are grounded in > very detailed and precise observation of that > regularity. > His examples could have been stronger. To me, his first two seem to fit his thesis, that science abandons mystical and occult explanations, which have not stood up well to research (or there is a lack of it), for material causes which have substantial research that show strong efficacy. To me he is not attempting to negate the notion that there are divine forces, or even green cheese, or lepricons behind weather and disease. His underlying point I believe, is that there is no body of research that indicates these are credible explanations. The astrology example is off as you noted. > > What had been shrouded in mystery was now explicable in > > terms of natural causes. Diseases did not have Satanic > > origins, but > > natural explanations and cures. The weather could be interpreted, > > not as a product of divine wrath or favor, but in meteorological > > terms. > > Nature could be accounted for by locating the natural causes > > of phenomena. He should have used a different example than astrology, or said something along the lines of "> >"Astrology's unsubstantiated heavenly omens > > and signs for maladies were replaced by more reliable and substantiated diagnoses and remedies based on medical, educational, social and economic research." > > Kurtz adds, "Thus there has been a continuous retreat of magical > > thinking under the onslaught of cognitive inquiry. The same methods > > of inquiry used so successfully in the natural sciences, were > > extended to biology and the social sciences. Science thus continues > > to make progress by using rigorous methods of naturalistic inquiry." > > > > And they can and should be applied to "subjective sciences" > > I agree, but I very seriously doubt that Kurtz would. > > I have to say, based on these excerpts, at least, that > Kurtz's thinking in this area is rather strikingly > limited. I take Kurtz as a source of good ideas, but not necessarily authoritative -- particularly in areas where he has limited knowledge or experience. I said / implied that rigorous methods of naturalistic inquiry should be applied to "subjective science." Let me refine that. "Rigorous use of logic, reasoning, the rooting out of interpretative and cognitive errors and biases, unbiased, independent scientific and statistical methods for testing of corrleates of the subjective experience, discerning causes from correlation, relegating untested scriptural and mythical explanations and models to being 'untested hypotheses' can and should be applied to "subjective sciences"." This was the original but unfulfilled promise of the orginal SCI taught at Stanford in 1971. It is what a lot of current cognitive science is about. I think Kurtz would be interested in such. At least it would be a good discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
